Full Show Podcast: 17 July 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can trust truck to ask
the questions, you get the answers, find the five sack
and give the analysis. Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One
New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile News.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Dogs v Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today.
We have a second case of bird flu, the Government
of stepping up its response as a response, the Biosecurity
Ministers with us after five. Winston Peters has named the
two new Fairies, and boy he set a trap for
some people to fall into and they will. He's with
us after five as well, and came out and Bunnings
are going to do the same thing as the warehouse
and set up these third party online sales. We'll find

(00:37):
out if that's good for.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Their business here. The duplessy elocrition for.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
You was Donald Trump's speech to the American people this afternoon,
a classic case of muddying the waters. For Trump, it
was a relatively short speech about forty minutes in which
he claimed that there had been Chinese interference in the
twenty twenty presidential election, and that there were extreme vulnerabilities
in the election systems that need to be closed, and
that China took more than two hundred million America voter
registration files, and then ever released a trove of documents

(01:03):
that he reckons backs up these claims. Now, the allegation
that China interferes in the elections of Western liberal democracies
is not new. Frankly, it's not even controversial. I mean,
we know the Chinese do this. They've been doing it
for years now across multiple countries, the US, Canada, Australia,
even ourselves where even we've been interfered with as well.
The fact that Chinas somehow involved itself in the twenty

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twenty presidential election is also not new or controversial that
has been claimed before. The question then, is if none
of the stuff is new or controversial, why has he
had a speech? Why has he set aside time for
a speech to the American people to talk about it
all over all over again. Now, whichever way you look
at this, I think it's probably safe to assume it's
because he's worried about the midterms that are coming up

(01:46):
later this year. He is either trying to rally support
for the Save America Act that would basically return the
US to voting in person with ID, which definitely favors Republicans,
or he's preparing excuses for the eventuality that the Republicans
do badly in the elections anyway, and he has to
have an excuse there, right, or it's both of the above.
And given it's Trump, you can't rule out the possibility

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that he's going to be going through this whole charade,
possibly today, just so that in a few months time
he can blame someone else, maybe the Chinese, for his
election loss.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Together, do for ce Ellen, who is.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
The text understanding text fees applied, Doug High, who is
the former Republican communications director. We'll talk us through it
in just over an hour's time. Now, the Privacy Commissioner says,
employee snooping on members of the public's private personal information
is a bit of a growing problem. We're talking about
delivery drivers using your address to get in touch outside
of their work, or doctors getting creepy with the patients,

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that kind of thing. Privacy Commissioner Michael Webster's with us
on this. Hih, Michael, hello here, how are you very well?
Thank you? How many cases you're getting of this?

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Our statistics for the year you're finished, it looks like
at least one in ten cases are employee browsing, and
a greater percentage up to a third are what we
call an unauthorized access, So people who have a right
to look at material but only for work purposes, and
they're using it these personal purposes for the things you.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Talked about, worst case you've come across.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
In one example, we had a person who was in
a position of power and they looked up the details
of a colleague's partner and then use their position to
repeatedly sexually harass them. Their text message, the victim contacted us.
They said they felt, of course intimidated, scared, even fearful
in their own home. And that's just terrible that kind

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of behavior.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Okay. And in all of these cases is that the
person being contacted or harassed who is coming to you
with a complaint.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Sometimes organizations do have what we expect, which is systems
in place to identify that unauthorized access to the information
databases has happened, so they sometimes notify us of the
privacy breaches, but also have individual complaints as well.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Okay, So what happens if you come across one of
these cases?

Speaker 3 (04:05):
What do you do?

Speaker 5 (04:07):
Well?

Speaker 4 (04:08):
If a breach is reported to us, we will investigate.
We'll ensure that the organization and question has taken steps
to notify the people affected. If an individual comes to
us with a complaint, we'll make sure that there's a
first approach the organization concerned to see if they can
resolute their complaint that way. Otherwise we will investigate what's

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happened and see whether they're right to privacy has been
interfered with, and whether there should be some compensation or
some settlement of bet.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Michael, Is there ever a case in which you know, gosh,
I'm walking a line here, But is there ever a
case in which you know, you get hold of somebody's
details in your job and you get in contact with
them and it's you know, and you would deem that
yourself in your position to be okay because it's modern
life and this could be the love of their life.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
So what we say in the area of privacy, it's
about balancing interests, the individual's right to privacy and the
public interests good things like law and order or public health.
If there was a strong public health reason for breaching
that kind of database security or strong law and order reason,
that's the sort of thing we might look at but

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at the end of the day, New Zealanders need to
know that when they hand over really sensitive personal information,
say their medical records, their children's medical records, to a school,
for example, they want to know that that information is
going to be held securely and only accessed by those
who have the right to see it.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
What I'm meaning is, say girl goes into the footstore,
a shoe store by pairs of sneakers, has an account there.
The guy behind the counters like Jesus, I like the
look of her, calls her after ours and says you
want to go out on a date? Would that ever be? Okay?

Speaker 4 (05:54):
I don't think so. I think that is using it
personal information for absolutely the wrong reason. There is only
one reason that information is being collected, and that's for
the store's business purposes. That's not for the personal purposes
of that sales assistant for example.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
So basically the rule of thumb is it's if this
information is being collected at work, you are not to
use it for any personal reasons.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, Michael, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Man, you
have a lovely weekend. That's Michael Webster, Privacy Commissioner. So
don't think about it if you're working in the shoe store. Hey,
Argentina's president Zavmla is not going to go I thought
this was wild. He's not going to go to the
World Cup final. And of course why this is relevant
is that his squad is in the World Cup Final
playing against Spain. It's because of superstition he has and

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you like football fans are nutty for this kind of stuff. Ah,
He's got a good luck ritual and it is that
he watches the World Cup matches from the presidential residency.
And while he's watched and he has not broken that,
and under no circumstances is he going to break that.
He'll be watching, is not going there. He's going to
sit in the presidential residency and watch it. But also
he's got another good luck ritual that he will be doing,

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which is that he wears this thick jacket from the
oil company YPF during every match. He wears it because
he's tight as a fish, is proverbial, and so he
doesn't heat up the residency. So he has to dress
really warmly while he's in there because he's trying to
cut costs. So he's got this massive oil jacket that
he wears anyway. He says he took it one of
the games. He took it off for a bit there
and Argentina conceded goal. So he won't be taking it

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off for the entire final. Whatever you're doing, when you're
watching the final, you could cast you you just think
about Zavmla. You know exactly what he's doing. He's sitting
in the residency with his big oil jacket on. What
a nutty guy, speaking of which, not nutty people, but football.
Jason Pines with us next fourteen past four, It's.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
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Speaker 2 (08:02):
Against Jason Pine Weekend Sport Hosters with US, Hallo Piney. Hello, Heather,
all right, how are you feeling about the All Blacks v. Island?

Speaker 7 (08:07):
I feel pretty good about it. We've just been down
at the captain's run at eden Park. Actually you never
can tell too much from that. It's kind of the last,
you know, little sort of very laid back kind of
warm up before the game. I think Dave Rennie's team
in the first couple of games have shown good signs
at times. I think they've also shown a bit of,
you know, some areas for improvements and growing pains. Perhaps
Ireland aren't quite the force of four years ago when

(08:29):
they came here and beat us in that series. We've
won the last three matches, including of course that Rugby
World Cup quarter final. It'll be the biggest test of
the year for Dave Rennie. I think that's that's fairly obvious.
But I still feel confident at eden Park. There's that
fortress kind of layer to it that will be okay.
It's a good team. We've got some players playing well
in important positions. I think Guard he's a great leader.

(08:52):
I think we'll win the Test match, okay.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
I find it interesting that we are talking ourselves into
a bit of a panic with the Irish when I
don't think they deserve it anymore.

Speaker 7 (09:01):
No, it's a good point. I mean, yes, the Island
of twenty twenty two came here and they were very good.
And in twenty twenty three, most Irish fans and I
think a large chunk of the All Blacks fan base,
thought they were going to beat this in that quarterfinal.
It was an epic game. So now, yeah, they're not
that force. They're a bit of a waning force. They
missed that window of opportunity for their really really golden
generation and twenty twenty three to whin the rugby worl

(09:22):
didn't And yeah, and now they're not, as you say,
they're not that force anymore. They're still a good team.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
We've got a conundrum though, I mean, how do we
approach Saturday night? What do you do? Do you start
with the All Blacks and then move to the Warriors
or leave it depending on how the Because the Warriors
should win, shouldn't they?

Speaker 7 (09:38):
Oh yea, they're playing the Dragon to a bottom, so
as a contest, that's yeah. But then a lot of
people love the Warriors. You know, on my show, if
we ever said, oh you know what we what's your
highlight of the weekend, most people say the Warriors ahead
of anything to do with rugby, But it is the
All Blacks.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
What do you do?

Speaker 7 (09:53):
I think your double screen probably, I think we're up.
We're in the in the state now where we've got
a main screen and then we' our tablet or our
phone or whatever with the out.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Do this with Sky apparently you can have the dual
screening on the same account.

Speaker 7 (10:05):
Do it quite often. You decide what's on your big
TV and then you have your secondary screen and they
can swap. You know, there's nothing wrong with swapping. Ok,
that's quite exciting. Warriors are winning by thirty. I don't
want to, you know, I'll watch it on my second screen.
Of the All Blacks games is a bit more interesting. So yeah,
I mean, first time I can remember All Blacks and
Warriors have played in the same city on the same
night at the same time.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
What does it say for attendance though, that we've sold
out both venues? How good is that?

Speaker 3 (10:30):
How good?

Speaker 8 (10:31):
Exactly?

Speaker 7 (10:31):
And so the Warriors they cracked this a long time ago,
didn't they. You know, every Warriors game anywhere sells out,
So happy days All Blacks Island sells out.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
It's great.

Speaker 7 (10:39):
I mean that the city can obviously sustain these two
big sporting juggernauts.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Somebody who and I'm not going to name names, but
somebody in the industry who watches the stuff said to
us today what they're expecting is Heartland, New Zealand will
watch the test yep Auckland will watch the Warriors.

Speaker 7 (10:55):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Isn't that an interesting differentiation that's happening across the country now?

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 7 (11:00):
And then you think, okay, with the metropolitan areas, what
are they watching in Wellington and christ Church in Hamilton,
in Queenstown for goodness sake. Yeah, but the viewing figures
on Monday, if we get to see them, and I
think Sky will probably push them out, will be really
interesting to watch.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yea, you've got to look for that breakdown as well.
Now listen, Spain the Argentina. What are you thinking.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
I've got Spain winning it, but Argentina Junkyard dogs of
this World Cup. Plus I've got Leonel Messi. I think
it'll be a good final, probably better than if it
had been Spain England. I think that would have been
fairly comfortable for Spain. Yeah, Argentina can niggle you, they
can they can mess with you, they can find a way.
They're serial winners. I think Spain will win it, but
it should be a good final on Monday morning.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, okay, Monday morning, Okay, thank you, thank god. It's
a lot of Saturday nights as well, because you've got
what else have we got. We've got the the Globetrotters
on Saturday night as well, Harlem Globe Trots. They're probably screen.
They'll probably sell that out as well. Yeah, probably it's
It's Spark Arena. By the way, thanks very much, Pionie,
appreciate it. Jason Pine Weekend sport host. He'll be back
tomorrow at midday Fall twenty.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
One, cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's
Heather dupic Ellen Drave with one New Zealand and the
power of satellite mobile news talks.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
That'd be no Piney. You have to be fully invested
in one game. You can't have multiple screens. That's from uzz.
That's man can't look at one. You can't do more
than one thing at once. Women can do. We can
have three screens and we can cook dinner and still
read the Child of the book. Easy, don't worry about it.
Just get your wife to tell you what's going on
when he's watching both screens for you. Hey, I don't

(12:23):
know if you've caught this A four twenty four. By
the way, I don't know if you caught this this morning.
But stories emerged, which by the way, has been doing
the rounds in terms of rumors in the political circles
for a few weeks now, a couple of three weeks.
The stories emerge that there's been some sort of an
incident involving Wayne Brown and another unnamed person who were
at a political fundraiser for the Auckland Central candidate for

(12:46):
the National Party. Now, Wayne's version of events, which is
the version that went to print in the Herald this morning,
is that this person who had the altercation with this
person took a swing at him and he feels so
threatened by this our Wayne that Wayne is going to
have extra security at home and in person. Yeah, that's

(13:07):
not the version of events, by the way, that everybody
else in the room tells. So Barry Soap has done
a little bit of phone calling around and he's going
to be with us in twenty minutes time and he'll
tell us what he can possibly can tell us about
what actually may have unfolded. So stay tuned for that
and put that in yet, sit in it do the
hey Surrey set in alarm for four forty five right
now so you don't miss it. Also another thing that

(13:28):
we have to get you across as there's of course
you will have heard this in the news, the second
case of the bird flew in the country. Unfortunately this
time is it is in a native bird. It's a carho,
a swamp harry a hawk which was found in the
wired Upper Government has said in response to that they
will be stepping up the response to the bird flu.
Quite what that means, I'm not sure, but Andrew Hogart,
the Biosecurity Minister, will be with us after five o'clock

(13:51):
and may be able to give us a little bit
of detail on that. Man, I'll tell you what did
you see? What happened to Nichola Willis with a supermarket thing? Brutal?
Do you remember? Cast your mind back and Nicola Willis
made a bit of a play about the fact that
she was going to get in touch with a bunch
of global supermarket brands around the world and see if
they wanted to come and set up in New Zealand. Obviously,
spoiler alert, nobody came and set up in New Zealand

(14:12):
and were still stuck with just the ones that we
had before. Anyway, what happened was that they got in
touch MB put together. It's brutal how it played out.
MB put together a list of about twenty one of them,
these grocery contacts around the world. Five of the companies
responded and actually had a meeting with government officials. Three
of the companies just immediately said no, thanks very much,
We're not We're not going to do it, not interested

(14:33):
at all. Six of them didn't even respond, just flat
out ignored the New Zealand government trying to get in
contact the French business Care for Singapore's Lozada, Malaysia's Macro Value,
Australia's Harris Farm Markets and Coals Oldie. Oldie's Australian team
completely ignored the government, and when the government then followed
up about four hours later, Aldi ignored them anyway again,

(14:54):
And so we never got Lord, what does that say?
I mean, Look, it's I'm gonna give some better benefit
of the doubts to our government on this one, which
is that they were kind of plowing old ground, do
you know what I mean? Because just Sinda and them
had already gone in contact with a bunch of these
people and try to beg them to come over, and
so probably by the second time that the New Zealand
government like, they don't realize there has been a change

(15:14):
of personnel necessarily or actually frankly care They just hear
the New Zealand governments come back a few years later
and as beating them again. I would probably ignore the
request as well. But yeah, kind of puts you in
your place. But harsh, isn't it. Anyway? Dan Mitchinson is
going to be with us shortly. He'll talk us through
Trump's speech. His take on it, News Talk said, be.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Hard questions, strong opinion here the duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news
doorgs they'd be right.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
If you were listening to the show yesterday, you'll recall
that Barry Sober accidentally prematurely announced that Winston Peters would
be having a Fairies announcement today. Well, we've got the
Fairies announcement, so the details are key. We rail will
run the new Fairies. The cost has gone up of
the Fairies. It was one point eight billion dollars in
November last year. It's now one point nine billion dollars
because they have to replace a link span in Wellington

(16:14):
or something like that. Key we Rail will pay fees
to the ports and Fairy holdings, which I'm assuming will
continue to own the fairies because key we Rail will
have to pay commercially priced port fees. And he's already
named the fairies bold choice from Winston here because he
set a trap. One of the fairies is going to
be called Cooper and the other fairy is going to

(16:34):
be called Cook. And if you know what's been going
on with the Cook statues in Australia and New Zealand
in the last few years, you know where there are
some people who don't like Captain Cock anymore, and they're
going to get very upset about this. Winston's with us
after five o'clock. It's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
It's the world wires on news dogs. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Donald Trump has accused China of interfering in the twenty
twenty election. He claims that a CIA report revealed China
influenced journalists, business leaders, and the public to turn against
Trump ahead of the election. He also accused members of
the deep state of trying to suppress any information that
would incriminate China.

Speaker 9 (17:09):
Members of the deep State in our intelligence agency work
to actively suppress and downplay information about the extent of
China's sinister election medaling.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, this Argentinian business or the banner is getting more
and more interesting the players if you didn't catch it.
After the win, the players introduced a banner that read
the Falklands are Argentine. Argentina's deputy Prime Minister is now
involved in it.

Speaker 10 (17:33):
Just before the big match, the country's vice president cold
England usurping pirates and told the football team to claim
what's ours.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
The British Prime Minister's deputy spoke. The British Prime Minister's
deputy spokesperson clap back with the World Cup may not
be ours, but the Falklands definitely are out. And finally,
a new species of monkey has been discovered in the Congo.
It's called the lick Wellie. It's got jet black fur
with an orange face. It lives in such aed area
of the jungle that even the locals didn't know much

(18:02):
about it, and they're super shy, so that probably not
going to appreciate the fact that we're all interested in
them now. To be safe, they've been classified as endangered
because scientists don't know much about them. For all they know,
the few monkeys that have been seen could be the
last of the species.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
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Speaker 2 (18:22):
Dan Machinson, US correspondent is with US. Hello Dan, Hey, good. Actually,
what do you make of Donald Trump's speech?

Speaker 3 (18:29):
It was short.

Speaker 11 (18:31):
It was twenty five minutes. I mean, in all seriousness,
had caught me off guard. I thought it'd be going
on for at least an hour, maybe ninety minutes. But
apart from that, I think it just I mean, it
was a lot of rehash right. It lacked a lot
of content. It didn't produce any new evidence that votes
had been manipulated, didn't produce any real evidence that the
election outcome had been altered. And as you've just mentioned

(18:53):
in the World Wires, he's going to release previously classified
documents related to both the twenty twenty and the twenty
eighteen eleven. Tell you, what I do find interesting is
he's doubling down on this just months ahead of the
midterm elections.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, which means.

Speaker 11 (19:08):
Which means I think he is just trying to make
a push for Republicans. He's trying to bring up something
that he knows really rallied his base the last time around.
But I got to tell you to heather all these
things there. They've been talking to experts after this, and
I mean, obviously it sounds bad when you hear the
President say it the way he does, but they had
an election law contributor that came on right after the

(19:29):
speech and he said, the reality is all these voter
files in the US are are public and there's really,
I mean, there's there's not much that China can do
with it to to meddle in an election. So I
just I just think this is also part of his
his push to Save the America Act. That's that bill
that would require a citizenship to register to vote, among

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a number of others.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I mean, which, in a way you skin it right,
It is the announcement is designed to try to help
him in the in the midterms, isn't it, Because if
it's getting the Save America Act across the line, it
helps him. If it's rallying the base with an existential
threat from China, it helps him. If it gives him
an excuse for why he loses them mid terms.

Speaker 11 (20:09):
It helps him exactly exactly, and I think, you know,
there's a little bit of a scare tactic in there.
He wants he wants to bring up something that has
been brought up over the last couple of elections and
continues to be shown that it just didn't happen. It
just didn't happen, But you can't convince his base of
voters that it didn't. Toward the conspiracy theorists.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, hey, so what do you make of this guy
who was the teleprompter who's made all the money off
the speeches.

Speaker 11 (20:33):
First thing is the guy was a genius. Second thing
is he was an idiot. He was a genius because
he's been Trump's teleprompter operator since I think twenty sixteen
or so, made about one hundred thousand dollars by placing
bets on more than a dozen of Trump's speeches in
the prediction market, which is a big no no. The
problem was he got too specific in the in these

(20:55):
In these markets, what you can do is bet on
whether specific work or phrases or topics are going to
be uttered during a public speech. And he just got
too specific in there. You know, he said exact words
and exact sentences. So this was flagged and boom, there's
an investigation going on and this guy has been put
on unpaid administrative leave and President Trump said, you know,

(21:17):
it was a disgrace, and he made the decision to
put the guy on leave while they're investigating this.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Right now, Dan, how do the troops feel about having
these testosterone tests?

Speaker 11 (21:26):
I think we're going to find out more in the
coming days. There's a lot of medical experts coming out saying,
why are you doing this right now if there are
no symptoms? Because troops thirty and up are going to
get tested for testosterone levels annually, and we know that
the testosterone can affect your sex drive and your mood
and focus and muscle and bone density and all kinds

(21:47):
of stuff too, So this new T check is going
to be part of the physical But men begin experiencing
a drop in this I mean usually around forty. By
fifty or fifty five, you get symptoms of low te
that may become more obvious. So yes, there are you
know studies that show one infomat over thirty have low
testosterone and only one in twenty recognize the symptoms. But really,

(22:10):
this just seems like why are you doing this?

Speaker 3 (22:13):
What?

Speaker 11 (22:14):
What is the point?

Speaker 3 (22:14):
And and apparently.

Speaker 11 (22:16):
It's just to make sure that the troops are in
as you know, good a condition, physically fit and it
can possibly be.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, is the drop of in testosterone? Why men get moves.

Speaker 11 (22:28):
Well that are smoking pot? I mean it from pot?
Oh yeah, yeah, you can get some huge moves from
from smoking pot.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Are you making Is that real?

Speaker 11 (22:40):
No? No, it's real. In fact, if you if you,
I mean, if you smoke pot for too long and
the moves get too big, you have to go out
and you have to buy a man's zer or a bro.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
What are you serious?

Speaker 12 (22:52):
Real?

Speaker 11 (22:54):
No, the man' zier thing was a Seinfeld reference. But
there are men that definitely get you know, and testosterone
can't play a role in that as well too. It's
a fact that pot is a big contributor to men growing.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Okay, now I'm going to identify the pot smokers all
the time. I thank you, Dan, Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent. Yeah.
Do you know what though, when they said that they
were going to start testing them for testosterone, I don't
have a problem with that, because have you ever met
a man who's low on testosterone. As they get older grumpy,
get that testosterone into them, so stop being grumpy annoying.

(23:31):
Seventeen away from five now sad news today Former Finance
Minister Bill Birch has died. He was ninety two years old.
As came through just in the last couple of hours
or so. Got a really nice email from Jamie about
this actually hithero was really sad and to hear of
Sir Bill Birch's passing. I often think back to when
he arranged for my daughter and myself to visit him
at his home around April last year while she was

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still doing her school project on the Dawn Raids. We'd
never met Bill Birch before, yet he invited us in
then spent nearly two hours without It turned into one
of the most fascinating conversations I've ever had. We spoke
about his time in politics, Winston's antics, and parliament in
those days, and so many stories that brought New Zealand's
political history to life. One story that has always stuck
with me was Bill laughing as he recalled how, on

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perhaps seven to ten occasions during Winston's political career, Winston
would arrive late to official engagements because he was hungover,
leaving Bill to entertain the visiting delegations in phil in
time until he arrived. I'd love to know what Winston's
thoughts are now about that when he's on the show
after five am I brave enough. Another thing that fascinated
me was hearing about the famous Pukakoe Horseshoe Town Center layout.

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Apparently that was in part the result of his surveying skills.
To think that his work helped shape the layout of
Pukakoe itself as remarkable. But what struck me most was
how humble Bill Burt remained. When we visited he was
ninety one years old. He was still driving himself from
Auckland to Pooka Koe every Monday to Friday for work.
He drove an old two thousand and five Sabahu and Pretza,
not a dental scratch on it, and it summed him

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up perfectly practical, disciplined, careful with every dollar, and despite
everything he had achieved, there wasn't an ounce of pretense
about him. It's nice emaila, Jammie, thank you for sending
that in Barry Soaper is with us next quarter to the.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
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Speaker 2 (25:12):
Andrew Hoger, the bio Security Minister, is going to be
with us on after five o'clock on one of the
native birds now getting the bird flew thirteen away from
five barries with us Alo Berry.

Speaker 8 (25:19):
Good afternoon, heatday.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
So what have you found out actually happened in that room?

Speaker 8 (25:22):
Oh dear well, I've got to say at the outset
that Mia Wayne Brown is a man not known for
holding himself back verbally vitreol flows philly freely. And you
know I've been around him on a number of occasions.
But the Miyror is now exploring additional security measures and
he's blamed black bad feeling for being stirred up by

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lobbyists as inflaming behavior, but as a count on the
spat as he would call it.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
It varies.

Speaker 8 (25:55):
I've talked to a number of people who were at
this gathering for the Auckland Central candidate, and she's trying
to unseat the Auckland Central MP, Chloe Swarbrick, of course,
and this was at red estate businessman Graham Walls Ponsonby
office and it was a fundraising thing for Candace Kinder. Well, look,

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I spoke to the guest who allegedly had the confent
confrontation with Wayne Brown. Now, he says, the statements Wayne
Brown has made about the incidents are one hundred and
eighty degrees to quote him twisted given what actually happened.
He said, the incident left him wondering whether he should

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go to the police or let it lie, given the
seriousness of it, But he's decided just to let it lie.
Brown most certainly wasn't attacked, he said, but he was
making a news of himself all night, saying things that
made people cringe. He said. The candidate, Candace Kinder, was
speaking and he was constantly in erupting. At the end

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of the speech, questions were called for and he praised
the candidate for the excellent speech she had just delivered.
He said. He was sitting on a barstool in the
kitchen area and had a glass in his hand. It
was a glass, he said, given to him on his
arrival because he hadn't touched alcohol. He says, in years
when Brown came into the area, he said to him,

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what gives you the right to speak to people the
way you do? And he lost it.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Who lost it?

Speaker 8 (27:27):
Brown lost it. According to the guest, he said a
glass was broken. People were there, they dealt with it,
and Brown left the function. So that's the incident. According
to somebody who was accused of being involved.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
In this is the guy who was a competation. This
is a guy who's accused of having taken a swing
at Wayne Brown. Did he take a swing Brown.

Speaker 8 (27:48):
Swing at all? He says. He says there was never
a swing. And in fact, from the people that I've
talked to who were there said there was never a
swing taken.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Who broke the glass, I'm unsure or who think broke
the glass?

Speaker 8 (28:02):
I would imagine from what of the people I've been
talking to, it was Wayne Brown that broke broke the glass.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Okay, why, I don't know. Could have been clumsy, because
something happened with that glass. If this guy is saying
he's wondered whether he should go to the police or not,
like that is quite there's a threshold for going to
the police, which maybe, but Wayne Brown's Wayne Brown's conduct
in that in which he's accused this guy of trying
to hit him, Wayne Brown's conduct is of such a

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degree that this guy is wondering whether he needs to
go to the police.

Speaker 8 (28:32):
Well, he says he's not. Now he said it crossed this.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Because the National Party has weirdly gone to ground on
this and nobody in the NATS wants to talk about.

Speaker 8 (28:40):
Well, that's right. It is interesting that it was very
hard to get to talk to anyone who was involved
with the National Party on this one. Okay, well, it
was involved in a public sense.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Have you gone to Wayne Brown with the fact that
the sky denies taking his swing and that he says,
Wayne Brown broke the.

Speaker 8 (28:58):
Glass and his office says Wayne Brown simply stands by
what he had said.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Okay, yep, all right, thanks, very appreciate that, right.

Speaker 8 (29:05):
Bill Birch, Yeah, I heard that text that you had
from a person and in fact summed up Bill Birch
in my book. I mean, I knew Bill Birchi was
in Parliament for the best part of thirty years, and
I knew him for a long time in parliament. A
thoroughly decent man. He was a man not given to

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flights of fancy, was seen as a bit of a technocrat.
And I do remember after the nineteen ninety six election
when Bill Birch was the finance minister, following Ruth Richardson,
who Bolger had sacked, and Bill Birch and Bolger were
very close. They used to go camping together, holidaying together.
It's rather sad that both of them have died within

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a year of each other. But you know, he was
a person that was very good at sitting down having
a good yarn. And after that nineteen ninety six election,
of course Winston Peters insisted in the coalition negotiations that
he control the finance portfolios. So there was a portfolio

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created for Winston called Treasurer. It was only used by
Winston's never been used since, and Bill Birch was maintained
as the finance minister. But suggestion is that Bill Birch
did all the work behind the scenes in finance, but
Winston got to deliver the budget, so he got his
way in Bill Birch as mild managed as he always was,

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sort of sack and the sack in the background was
happy to do so.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Barry, thanks very much, appreciate it, very so. Pu Seing,
your political correspondent, wrapped the political week that was after
quarter past six seven away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
It's the Heather Dupas Allen Drive Full show podcast on
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Focused Informed. It's the Mic Hosking Breakfast share.

Speaker 13 (31:00):
With Kennon is the Infimatric's two forecaster cashat at two
and a half, you see three and a half, So
that's four ish increases that happens what between now in
the middle of the year.

Speaker 14 (31:08):
Yeah, and financial markets are reasonably consistent in terms of
that expectation, and then we've got two more penciled in
through twenty twenty seven. Look, I guess for us it's
a case of tapping the brakes on the economy a
little bit by the time we get into that two
point seven percent growth. And that's quite a different scenario
than we were looking at before, where we thought, well,
the ocr may need to get to four and a
half just to try and bring the car back under control,
because we've been hit by an old man with a

(31:30):
fake plan in the bazoocher. He doesn't really look where
it's going.

Speaker 13 (31:33):
Back Monday from six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast, we've
defended a trophy News Talk ZB Heather.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Regards the fairies. This is gold from Winston. I wish
I could have seen Debbie Packer's face when she first
heard this, because for the last two Valentine Days she's
posted a hate field rant celebrating the anniversary of the
killing of James Cook, the Colonist. Well, she'll love having
James Cook the Faery sailing by her as she looks
out the window in Parliament. Although she probably to be there,
she probably doesn't have a notion view. Part I've made

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her life sound more exciting that she doesn't have an
otion view. She didn't know anything about that. Four Away
from five listen. Wellington City Council has released data on
what people do to get out of parking tickets and
I'm absolutely loving myself sick on it because you know,
I hate a parking ticket. Apparently the thing that works
the most successfully, this works sixty percent of the time,
is basically to just say there was a system ror
with whatever the parking meter of things or whatever, or

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your phone app or whatever. Just say there was a
system error. I don't know if they can actually trace
whether there was whether there was a system ror or not,
but that's the thing that is most successful, or contesting
the facts of the ticket itself. Twenty five percent of
the time. What works is to use the other reason,
things like a bereavement or a car crash, or saying
that someone who didn't like it wasn't you, it wasn't

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the owner of the car who was parking the car,
and therefore the owner of the car shouldn't be liable
for a ticket, which is quite a good one. One
woman used the excuse of diarrhea for getting out of
her ticket. Now, what I find is that that will
get you out of most awkward situations. All you need
to do is say that that was what was going on,
and no one is even going to ask a follow
up question, like at all. So anyway, we're going to

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have a chat to a guy who's all about the
parking industry, Mike Kelly. He's going to be with us
just after half past five. I am slightly weary of
this interview because I do I do realize that it
could descend into just me sort of ranting at him
about how much I hate parking companies, which sometimes happens.
So we'll try to keep me on track focusing on

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the issue at hand. Anyway, Andrew Hoggard by a security
minister with us next on the bird flu hitting the
native bird population. News Talk ZIBE.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
It's Heather Duplicy.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Allan drive with One New Zealand and the power of
satellite mobile News Talk said, be good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
We have got our second confirmed case of bird flu.
This time it has been found in the native hawk
and the wided upper. The government's now stepping up its
testing and its vaccination response. And Andrew Hoggart is the
biosecurity minister who's with us. High Andrew, were you expecting
a case so quickly?

Speaker 15 (34:08):
Probably not, but we're expecting more cases, and you know,
for it to move to some of our native bird
species as well. But yeah, I wasn't expecting like the
very next day.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, So how do we think this hawk actually got infected?
Is it most likely eating an infected bird?

Speaker 15 (34:26):
That would be a pretty good guess, I would imagine.
I don't have an obvious exact answer, but that would
be the most likely scenario. I see a lot of
hawks flying around my farm and they're usually getting the
remains of possums and other things that have been hit
by cars, So that would be a really good summary.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
And what are what are official of telling you about
how widespread they think it is now.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Well, no one.

Speaker 15 (34:54):
I mean this is the point of the testing, of
making sure we're doing the tests and getting the public
reports and that we can actually build up a picture.
So I mean, the reality is what we know right
now is that we've had two detections one and Tony
one and the wire rapper.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
They're likely to.

Speaker 15 (35:10):
Be more out there, but you know, we don't know
for certain, and when we do the testing, we will
find out the answer. You know, as we get more
and more reports coming, we'll find where there other cases are.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
So what are you guys doing now? So you're vaccinating
more birds, are you well?

Speaker 15 (35:27):
So Doka carrying on with their vaccination program of those
critically engaging birds. From an MPI perspective, we're touching base
with all. I think there's about thirteen egg producers and
poultry producers in the war rapper, So teams getting in
contact with all of them just to check are they

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confident they're by security measures they've got, do they need
any advice or any assistance. So those are the key
things we're doing. And obviously, you know, we're going to
get more reports from the public of Hey, we've seen
a bird here, and so we're up in the number
of people. We've got more than the expectation that we're
going to be required to do more and more testing.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
By the way, what are you going to do with
backyard poultry?

Speaker 15 (36:14):
So there's good advice on the MPI website make people
kill their birds? No, no, look, we're not going to
make anyone do anything. We're putting the advice and the
information out there. You know, people are adults, they can
make decisions for themselves. We'll give them the advice and
suggestions and solutions how people want to you know, for

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us in our place, we've got a few chickens. They'll
be locked inside their shed and hopefully they stay safe.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Okay, where was this hawk found by the way near
Carterton on a farm.

Speaker 15 (36:54):
Uncertain? All I know is that had suffered a head injury,
sent to Messi University Hospital or Wildlife Hospital and there
as part of the routine surveillance we've got going on,
they did a swab of it just to check for diseases.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
In it popped up with H five.

Speaker 15 (37:13):
But you know it went in for head injuries, not
because it looked like bird flury.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
I mean that probably suggests it's way more Wisebrey, doesn't
it because it didn't go in for the bird flu.

Speaker 15 (37:24):
Well, I won't jump into making guesses on this.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
I did by the way.

Speaker 15 (37:30):
It was euthanized because of that head injury.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Fair enough, hey Andrew, thanks very much, man really appreciate today.
Then Andrew Hoggart by a security minister eleven past.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Five head for see Alan wins.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
And Peters has announced new details of the new Fairies deal.
They're going to be run by Kiwi Rail. Kiwi Rail
will pay fees to the ports and faery holdings and
they will be called Cooper and Cook and Winston. Peters
is obviously the rail minister. High Winston. You had any
complaints about the names yet?

Speaker 16 (37:56):
No, we haven't at this point in time. But mind you,
I'll be on the road and I'm about to come
to the water View tunnel. But never mind, we'll see
how we go.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
I imagine that the biggest complaints is going to come from
debbing Yado a packer, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (38:09):
Well, I don't know. The fact is you've got those
very unreasonable people who had a thousand reasons to object
to everything, and they're not progressive and I just made
that point that the day will want to cut loose,
but we forecast that we're not going to be surprised
by that. We're just going to get on and do
the job. But most people will be delightfully happy with it.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Now, why are you getting key? We rail to pay
fees to the ports and Faery Holdings.

Speaker 16 (38:35):
Well to keep everything of the system monus to make
sure that the canancy operations and the fiscals that we
worked on at the very beginning work out at the end.
So they've got to pay without making the contribution. It's
over a long period of time, it'll last. In this
case are two generations, so it just made sense for
us to do it that way.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Okay, Faery Holdings continues to own the fairies, does it?

Speaker 3 (38:59):
It does? Yes?

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Okay. How do the ports feel about the fees?

Speaker 16 (39:03):
Well, the ports are very happy, and they were the
other day and the media had to word every chance.
I asked both to Winnington and mile Report what they thought,
but they told me they would the latter with things.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
What is it going to do to Kiwi Rails books though?

Speaker 16 (39:15):
Well, the great thing about tar Rails books, as I
announced that they don't care. I was going to make
a profit. At the end of June. It's about to
be announced, and I tell you what it's going to
be more than I thought it was. So looks have
the good news, Winston Jans are things are prefably speaking
and not posting back on the track.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Listen, you'll have heard the news of Bill Bircher's passing.
I'd imagine.

Speaker 16 (39:38):
Oh yes, John Bak says my message this morning.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, oh so you already knew this morning. Have you
had much contact with him in recent years?

Speaker 16 (39:46):
No, I haven't, as things turn out, No.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Not a relationship that has lasted beyond the time that
you guys work together.

Speaker 16 (39:55):
No, why, well, I'm there. The guy was expelled from
the National Party, if you haven't forgotten, And because I
was criticized in the thick along policies of the National Party,
the neoliberalism and the rythonomyx, and I got burnt out
of the party for it. But they came round to
their census after about twenty years when Bill Burda went
not Bill busherd but ill English turned out. Jim Boulders

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said that it was a mistake. Nel Liberal was a
mistake out of twenties. You said, that so beg the
question why was I burted out?

Speaker 2 (40:25):
All right? Winston, thanks very much, appreciate it, Winston Peter's rail.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Minister, Heather Dupe, for Cel's see that.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Goldie painting has been pulled from sale. This is the
one that the christ Huge Gallery, New Zealand art broker
announced this week it was going to go. It made
a big song and dance about it because the thing
had disappeared from view for like one hundred years and
it was back and we were going to sell it.
This is lost in thought and our Hecke and Ardawa
chieftain was it sounds like it was going to be
listed for auction on Sunday. It's now been pulled from

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the website. Reason it's been pulled from the website is
probably what you guess. It's probably not a Goldie. There
are about six art experts in auctions have gone public
saying it's not a real Goldie. So better that we
realized that before we started selling. At fourteen past five, Heather,
you're playing right into Winston's hands. The naming of the
fairies is electioneering. He's appealing to anti Mardy sentiment. Why

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else would he make a big deal of expecting opposition.
No Joe Anne, well, yes, Joanne, but also no Joe Anne.
What he's doing is he's baiting. He's baiting the Mardi Party,
he's baiting the Greens, he's baiting some of the lefties
in the Labour Party to see if he can get
a reaction, because the greater the reaction, the greater the
publicity for him. Let's see if it works or not.
Seventeen past five. Now to the States. Donald Trump has
used a speech to the American people this afternoon to

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revisit the twenty twenty election. He claims China tried to interfere.
He has declassified a trove of documents to prove this.
Doug High is a former communications director for the Republicans.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Hi, Doug, great to be with you.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Now, let me get this right. So the allegation is
China has tried to interfere, not that China has actually
been able to change the outcome of any elections.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Right.

Speaker 17 (41:53):
I think trying to make any sense out of this
speech is a fool's Errand there's so much craziness that
Trump is sort of thrust onto the scene tonight that
no one really saw coming. And there's not much backup
for and sort of also asked the question if if
China did all this in twenty twenty when Donald Trump

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was president, why didn't he do anything about it? And
why are we just finding out about this now? There
are so many holes in what he's done here. And
if I'm a Republican who's on the ballot in November,
which he isn't, I'm not happy about tonight.

Speaker 11 (42:30):
No.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
I mean, look again, the idea that China is interfering
in elections in Western liberal democracies around the world is
not a shock to anyone. Right, They've been trying to
do this for years now, and they've done in many,
many countries. The question I think is why is he
saying this publicly? Do you have any idea?

Speaker 17 (42:47):
Look, he loves talking about this issue twenty twenty because
he lost. He feels it was stolen from him, and
we know that any election that he loses he says that.
Right Ted Cruz. I was in Iowa when Ted Cruz
won the Iowa caucus And what did Trump say? It
was stolen from me? It wasn't stolen from him. Ted
Cruz had an amazing campaign that he organized on the

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ground where organization is everything in Iowa. But Trump can
never admit defeat that he stays focused on. This is
what is so vexing for Republicans, certainly privately, I wouldn't
be surprised if we hear a little bit more of
it publicly, because what they want to be talking about
is how they're trying to lower prices and things like
that that voters are concerned about.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Do you think quite quite a good point that you
just made there, But do you think that what he
is trying to do is muddy the waters ahead of
the midterms?

Speaker 17 (43:37):
Sure, potentially, But the best way to muddy the results
would be to help your candidates win. And they're sitting
on hundreds of millions of dollars that they've not spent
for Republican candidates yet. And okay, you know, maybe because
it's July, you don't want to spend the money yet.
But we're getting to the point where you've got to
start making those you know, reservations for airtime on television

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and digital ads and so forth, but also the issues
that voters are saying are most important to them. If
you want to help your candidates win, if you want
to keep the House and keep the Senate, which if
I'm Donald Trump or anybody with the last name of Trump,
given the investigatory power that a House Democratic majority or
Senate majority would have, I would want to do everything

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I can to save Congress and keep it in Republicans'
hands as the posed of money and water.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Doug, it's good to talk to you man. Thanks very
much appreciated, Doug High, Form of Communications director for the
Republican Party. Listen, let's deal next with David Symour in
the smartphone band that he's pitched as an idea five
twenty one.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
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Speaker 2 (45:00):
You haven't realized it yet. It's going to be a
big night tomorrow night. If you're into sports, you've got
the Warriors, you got the All Blacks, Ireland Test, you
got the Harlem Globe Trotters and Auckland. By the way,
somebody sent me a text and said the Globe Trotters
and Wellington last night was awesome, great family night. How
that's from Steve so sports Huddle is going to be
with us shortly talk us through. It's five twenty three. Now.
I think David Siemil's onto something with this idea that

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he's floated of banning the smartphones for kids. I say
this because I went to a dinner last night with
a couple of friends and this became the subjective debate,
and apparently it had been the subjective debate in the
office for one of them earlier in the day. And
what is causing the debate is that people find it
quite weird that the guy who doesn't like banning things
is the guy who's talking about banning a thing. But
also because people still don't believe that something like this

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could be banned, like something that something like this could work.
Now to the first point. Yet, Look, it's fair to
be a bit surprised that David Seymour is the guy
who's raising the possibility of banning smartphones. But I wonder
if this is because he is starting to realize that
he is on the wrong side of parent opinion here
using to do something about kids and social media. Parents
want to see something done here. Parents realize this is

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an enormous problem. And so what's happened is David Maha
maybe is realizing this and has thrown up a possibility that,
while he's not committed to it, at least makes him
sound like he is thinking about what to do here,
and in doing that, he may have actually suggested something
that could work far better than banning social media. Because
the phone is visible, you can see it in a
thirteen year old's hand in a way that you cannot

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see what is happening on that phone. You can't see
whether that thirteen year old is just sending an innocent
text to their mum saying I'm at the blah blah
blah waiting to be picked up, or if they are
just scrolling through an awful social media algorithm. So it
might actually be easier to ban a phone than social
media might actually be harder to get around. You wouldn't
need the police to police it, right, if that's what

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you're worried about. You don't need that in the same
way that you don't have the police going around pulling
fags out of the mouths of seventeen year olds. Society
would police it. Parents would say no to the kids.
You can't do it. It's the law. Schools would say
no to the smartphone, the smartphone's being seen anywhere near
the uniforms because it's the law. And parents would judge
other parents for being too loosey goosey and flouting the law.

(47:07):
It would police itself essentially, It's not unreasonable. I think
also for us to understand you can ban things for
kids that adults have access to. Bows and Siggi's are
two examples of it. Is David Seymour, maybe onto something.
Does the smartphone need to become another thing that is banned.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
For the kids? Heather do for see Allen Todd mcclay's.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Going to be with us after six o'clock. The man's
the man the hardest working trade minister at the moment. Ay,
so he is trying to set up a deal with
the Swiss at the moment dairy access. No, doesn't sound
like that it's going to happen. Swiss diplomatic is in
the country just basically poured cold water on it today
and said probably not anyway, we'll talk to him about
that after six o'clock. Do you see the Maori word

(47:46):
Kaitiakitanga has been named the world's most beautiful word. This
is by a language learning platform, Babble, and you don't
need me to tell you obviously it means guardianship and protection,
right anyway. So they looked at two hundred and twenty
three words from seventy five languages, and they had the
International jury look at it and then assess the words
based on full criteria the sound of the word, the
meaning of the word, the rarity of the word, and

(48:07):
the cultural relevance. And kaitiyakitannga won out. But they've got
a list of top fifteen and there are some awesome
words in there. Kintsugi, which is Japanese, is the art
of I love this one. I've read a book. I
can't remember what the book is called Tomorrow and Tomorrow
and Tomorrow. I think it was the novel and they
talk about this. Kintsugi is the art of repairing broken
ceramics with gold, which honors the cracks rather than hides them,

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which I love because we have this obsession, don't We
have this obsession of keeping things in the mint condition
that we bought them in, when actually they're going to
be dented and knocked about and faded and broken and
you should actually enjoy the wear on it, which is
what that's about. Also love this because this is my
brother a luftmensh that's Yiddish, an idealist or dreamer who

(48:52):
lives more through ideas and dreams than practical matters. Actually,
come to think of it, should we should we adopt
this with a Green party who call them luft mensches,
idealists or dreamers who live more through ideas and dreams
than practical matters. Bingo, And you know I've got a
couple more for you that you might enjoy. Stand by
for that. But next up, how to get out of
parking situations? News Talks dB.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
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Speaker 3 (49:52):
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Speaker 2 (50:00):
Hither you' one hundred percent onto something there. The Greens
need a new party name, and you've practiced for them, luftmench.
I've got some more for us to stand by for that.
We'll get to it shortly, and we've got the sports
tuttle standing by. It's twenty four away from six now.
On the subject of getting out of a parking ticket,
here are a few pointers might help you. Wellington City
Councils release some data that show that challenges actually do

(50:20):
work about a third of the time, and the most
common thing that helps you to get out of a
parking ticket is saying that there was a system eraor
or just disputing the facts of the ticket. New Zealand
Parking Association chairman Mike Cally's with us Allo Mike good
Afternoon here that this roughly equate to what you'll see.

Speaker 10 (50:38):
I think it varies from council to council across the
country because each of the councils will take the appeals,
assess them on merit, and then also apply various levels
of discretion, and some councils choose, I guess to be
more lenient than others.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
What's a system eror.

Speaker 10 (50:55):
System maria could be very simple, like, for example, a
parking warden may have piped the wrong number, paid or
had a minor typo on there and the ticket's actually
been issued to the wrong person. A parker could have
paid in the wrong zone, and so then the council
may look at that and so well, they intended to pay,
they tried to pay, Yes, they made a mistake, but
you know they did try.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
And do the right thing.

Speaker 10 (51:16):
There's other ones where people get picked up, for example,
for parking in a mobility space and they haven't got
the permit there, so they do get picked up, but
they do have a permit, they just didn't have it
displayed properly. But when they Official Information Act requests come in,
they sometimes get classified as look, this was on evidence

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or a system error. To answer a media article like that.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, okay, so what's the best excuse you've ever seen?

Speaker 10 (51:47):
You put me on the spot there. I ever think
about that when I'm sorry, Well.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
I tried to do you know what. I'm with a
private company. I got paged and I tried to use
the excuse that my husband was dying in a hospital
and we were concerned as legitimately that's true. My husband
was dying in hospital and he'd since recovered, but he
needed to go have a check up, and I was
quite stressed out about that, and at the same time,
there was concerns about the health of my baby. I
was pregnant, and I didn't get off the ticket. That's

(52:13):
particularly rush, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (52:16):
It depends on who you are dealing with. The and
one thing I will point out is that some parkers
out there have had an excess of one hundred or
more tickets issued to them and so they perhaps get
less linen Sea than.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
They're from the start.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
You checked me immediately, Mike. It'd been like it'd been
like at least the twelfth ticket that the same people
had had for me, So they were just like, absolutely,
you can bugger off, Mike. Thanks very much, man, you
look after yourself. That's Mike Kelly, Parking Association Chair, twenty
two away from six.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
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Speaker 14 (53:01):
A statish to say Spain will play the World Cup finals.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
And Argentina the World Chappins are.

Speaker 10 (53:12):
Going to the twenty twenty six final.

Speaker 13 (53:16):
Argentina will play Spain on Sunday.

Speaker 18 (53:20):
Well, it hasn't been perfect by any means, but it's
been a record breaking night for Will Jordan and the
All Blacks march off in the Rugby Championship.

Speaker 8 (53:30):
Two out of two.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
All Right sportshuttled us this evening. We have Matt Brown,
who is the Oceania Football Confederation media manager and Nick
bew Lee ZB Canterbury Sports treat high lads.

Speaker 12 (53:43):
Hi even to her, what.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Do you reckon that was that banner out of line
from the Argentinians?

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (53:50):
I do think it was. Look, I mean, yes, politics
and sports shouldn't max or or shouldn't maxim fefer sidainly
have strong rules around that sort of thing. Is against
the rules to display any kind of political message. So
I understand there has been calls for an investigation into it.
What sort of punishment will come out of it though,
who knows. But they're not going to be kicked out

(54:11):
of the final. But it's not It wasn't the right
time I think for them to dispace.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
It was a bum note. It just felt like it
felt like rubbing salts into the wound.

Speaker 12 (54:18):
Do you reckon that?

Speaker 2 (54:18):
It's fair to blame the English coach for the way
that they played.

Speaker 12 (54:23):
Look, ultimately, the buck stops with the coach. I feel
a little bit for coaches because it feels like when
a team loses the coach's fault. When the team wins,
it's the players who did well. Yeah, that is really
the atre of high performance sport. Though in some ways
I thought look on the England. Argent seen a game
like England played so positively up into getting getting that
goal or ten minutes after halftime, then they sort of,

(54:46):
you know, maybe start a little bit too comfortable, got
a little bit lax of daisicol, got a bit defensive.
It looked like, you know that that's where the manager
or a coach should come in and say, you know,
let's let's keep going for it, or or let's make
some some formation or or some substitution adjustments. And I
can understand why scrutiny has come his way. You know,
he's a guy with a very big football managerial CV

(55:09):
and has comeing as somewhat of a strategist as sort
of his his you know that that's what he's knowing for.
So I can understand why he's been criticized because ultimately
they were too defensive. They parked a bus for you know,
that's a football term. Argent didn't had what eighty two
percent of possession after the England goal, and they just
kept coming and coming back, banging the door down, and

(55:31):
eventually that pressure taut.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yeah, as it would have done.

Speaker 6 (55:34):
Yeah, I agree with well, I actually think you know,
Toogle should go to be honest, I think it's a
World Cup semi final, the biggest stage. England hadn't been
in the finals in sixty six.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
They had that game.

Speaker 6 (55:44):
They were the better team up until that sixty sixty
fifth minute mark, and then they just sat back and
decided to try and protect the one goal lead and
at backfired. Eventually, Messy brilliance assist for the second. You know,
it came to part and I just think wrong tactic,
negative tactics, defensive tactics, and you know, I call, like,
like a lot of the English fans, I think he

(56:05):
should he should be replaced.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
So who are you picking for the win? Then, Matt,
are you going Spain?

Speaker 6 (56:11):
You know what, I've thought long and hard about this
and I think Spain are kind of like they are.
They are a little bit I hate to say the
times are boring, but only because they are so brilliant
their defense, their midfield. They have some geniuses in midfield.
I mean the best defensive midfield are arguably in.

Speaker 12 (56:28):
The world is Rogery.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
He's back to his very best now. The Manchester City player,
they you know, they control things and they press high,
they dominate possession, so they play at their own tempo. Argentina.
You know they're going to have to play differently, and
Argentina have to get the border MESSI. They've got to
get it out wide to the Franks and counter and
you know, get that ball quick transitions because Spain will

(56:49):
control the temper. They did that against France brilliantly scored
the first goal and France were kind of like played
like a whole lot of individuals. So I really do
think I think this could well be Spain's wild to
go with the European Championship success two years ago.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Yeah, Nick, I mean this is you on Monday morning,
isn't it, Nick?

Speaker 12 (57:07):
Oh that's on annual leave here?

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Does that if you're on annual leave, does that not
free you up to watch the game or is it
like I'm not going to watch the game.

Speaker 8 (57:17):
But that is my work.

Speaker 12 (57:19):
I'll be up because I've got a three year old
and are seven months old, so oh mate, I'll have
a passing interest. I understand that Andrew Ordison is back
from seven weeks to leave, so it's a timely return
for orders on Monday morning.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
What's your strategy Nick with the kids? Are you getting
them to get used to having like because I struggle
with this, right, because I've got a nineteen month old
and a four and a half year old. Sure, and
I'm trying to limit screen screen time. And I don't
want them to grow up in a house with just
constant television on and like noise in the background, so
I don't put the sport on. But now I'm worried
that I'm not getting them used to a life with sports.

(57:52):
What's your what are you doing?

Speaker 12 (57:54):
This is just what was on the run sheet for
the sports title on a Friday night. Yeah. Look, look
ten years ago, I have a sport on quite quite
a bit. Look, I do try and limit stream time
and certain shows your poor patrols are banned at Cussa Bewley.
But but look I don't mind having.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
The Warriors of No, that's not fair. So you're banning
their shows, but then you're forcing them to sit through
your boring sport. Oh here we go.

Speaker 12 (58:24):
Thanks, I'll pass it on the CEO.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
You have as you, shaid Matt, You've raised beautiful children.
What did you do?

Speaker 6 (58:31):
I think I gave us in the end the screen
civilly when these days the teenagers right, but yeah, no,
look they like to watch something certainly in the sun
watches quite a bit of a sport with me.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
So I love that win win. I can't wait for that.
That's that, that is a life goal. Hang on it,
guys will come back and talk about actual sport in
a minute.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
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Speaker 2 (58:57):
Right, you're back with a sports hittle Matt Brown, Nick Bulea. Next,
So talk to me about it. What are you choosing?
Are you going to watch the Test or the Warriors?

Speaker 12 (59:06):
I'm torn. I will start with the Test, obviously, because
it's on. First look, I genuinely think it's going to
be a bitter contest. I love the Warriors. You know,
if it was an NRAL Grand Final versus an All
Blacks Test and the Warriors were involved, I'll definitely be
watching the Warriors, but they playing the Dragon to a
stone cold motherless. Last look, if it ends up being

(59:28):
a good game, I'll probably channel Surfer. But I'm a
little bit bunn that it's on. At the same time,
I actually feel for casual sports fans in Auckland, you know,
having to make a choice, let alone TV band sort
of Sky subscribers like myself down here in christ Church.
I would have thought they might have had a little
bit more foresight or influence at a broadcast level. I

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know it's in a largely in Australian competition. That's the
problem with the NRAL. Terms are wielding schedule influence, but
these are you know, the Warriors would be number two
only to the All Black in terms of individual sporting
events on the channel. You know, I would have thought
it would be great to try. I would have hoped
that at least try to avoid a clash like this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Should they try match like? Should we expect them to try?

Speaker 19 (01:00:15):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:00:16):
I think they maybe the clubs have tried in the
past or you know, there's been conversations, but no, I
don't think so, to be honest them it's not two
different competitions, completely different in a way. Yes, there is
audience that obviously sports audience that loves both, and most
of those people probably have a Sky subscription or have
access to to be able to watch one after the other.
Both stadiums will be sold out. I mean Warriors sell

(01:00:38):
out every single match, the second on the table. They're
an amazing season. They're playing the bottom team. My choice
will be the Test match because it's again the fifty
two match unbeating record of Eden Park is on the
line against a genuine threat in Ireland. Decide that we've
had a great rivalry over in the last four or
five years. So yeah, I think they'll both be great matches.

(01:00:58):
But I think the Test match probably trump's the regular
season NRL game probably on this occasion.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
So do you think we're talking ourselves into believing the
Irish actually better than they are?

Speaker 12 (01:01:09):
Yep, I think they aren't. Yeah, I think someone needs
to come out and say it, and I have actually
heard some Irish traveling media actually come out and say
that this Irish team isn't as good as the one
that came here in twenty twenty two. I don't know
if that's some sort of reverse psychology, but I look
at recent form. I look at the way in Irish
Ireland just got past Australia a couple of weeks ago,

(01:01:30):
but then you know, we beat France by a couple
of points in France thrashed Australia last week, so sort of,
you know, and aroundabout way, I genuinely think this should
be not a comfortable win but when I looked at
these three tests in isolation, you know, a couple of
weeks ago before the French Test, I had to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
What happened?

Speaker 11 (01:01:52):
Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
He's just a recent four carry on, so new dropped
off for a second there that carry on.

Speaker 12 (01:01:59):
I don't know exactly where I was. I'll summarize. I
don't think Ireland are as good as they were five
or so years ago, and I think we are trying
to talk us into fearing them a little bit. They're
they're a bit older. I feel like they're World Cup
window passed in twenty twenty three, and I think the
All Black should win, not comfortably, but I would have
thought ten points ish, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Ten points. I'm going to write that down. I'm going
to hold you to it. Not to be horrible, but yes,
to be horrible. But you won't even know because you'll
be on annual leave.

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
How do we feel about this Orlando Norris penalty for
the power unit being exceeded.

Speaker 6 (01:02:32):
Look, I think it's a big deal, to be honest.
I mean, the reality is, I think teams can make
these changes, but that three times before there's a penalty,
So it's basically a strategic move because this is a
I understand this will improve their speed and this is
a track they're introducing it the Belgian Grand Prix, where
has a lot of long straits, so a lot of
relatively good passing opportunities, so he will be able to

(01:02:54):
climb through the field. I think he'll start at best
eleventh because there's a ten place penalty and climb through
to the field and you know, to perhaps challenge. He's
a round about fourth or fifth in the standing. So
I think this sort of thing happens quite regularly in
Formula one and it's not really a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Okay, are you even interested in nick in the black
Caps via the West Indies.

Speaker 12 (01:03:16):
I was working this morning and I was covering it,
you know, on the bulletins and whatnot. It wasn't an
old school one day, you know, modern day cricket. You see,
you know, six is hit with regularity. It was a
little bit fascinating. I feel like some of the headlights saying, oh,
the black Caps have thrashed the West Indies. Yes, in isolation,

(01:03:37):
if you just sort of look at the top headline
six wickets and they chase with a certain number of
balls to spare. But it was like it was a
real grind. Spin was dominating. It was really hard to
score any runs. Look, it's probably not something I'll ever
watch in full again, and look the series. I'm a traditionalist.
I love test cricket. So when they just quickly after

(01:03:58):
a week after beating in and now playing five ode
eyes against the Western if I do struggle to kind
of get interested in it. But there was enough interest
for me today. Good to see guys like Jayden Lennox.
It's a pretty cool story. This is a guy who's
sort of been around the domestic cricket scene for some time.
He's only just been in the New Zealand set up
in the last year. And for them to get five
wickets in game two, four in Game three is quite neat.

(01:04:22):
But yeah, I don't think we need to analyze it
in any great detail beyond that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Good on you, Hey, listen, go and enjoy your holiday.
That's Nick Bauley and Matt Brown sports title this evening
seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Listen, it sounds like our tariff rate, the rate of
tariff that the US puts on us may well be
going up this evening or as early as this evening
to twelve point five percent. It's because we don't Basically,
the US is revising all the tariff rates for sixty
trading countries. We don't have a bilateral trade deal with
the US, so we automatically get put in the twelve
and a half half percent category. We've got the Trade
Minister with US actually on the Swiss steel just after

(01:05:04):
the news, so we'll have chat to him about that
as well. It sounds like the New Zealand Medical Journal
maybe in trouble. Its owner has pulled financial support. Now
the owner of the Medical Journal is the Pacifica Medical
Association Group, which, yeah, if you're going that sounds familiar,
yes it does. They're the same ones who own Muana Pacifica.
And what do we know about them? They ain't got
no money anymore, so they saved the journal was in

(01:05:26):
trouble maybe I want to say four years ago, just
after COVID, when all the magazines were in trouble and
the Pacifica Medical Association Group stepped in and saved it.
It's now, of course run out of money again. So
the medical journals in trouble again. The reason I'm telling
you this is because the Medical Journal is somewhat special.
It's one of our longest running journals in the country,
been going for something like one hundred and thirty nine
years or something. But anyway, sounds like it's kind of

(01:05:47):
drawing to the end. By the way, do you remember
Hayden Monroe who used to be You'd have to remember
a couple of years back on the huddle now, Hayden
used to be one of the guys we'd go to
regularly on the huddle. He was a Labor Party guy,
worked for Jasin Dardun, worked for the Labor Party, went
on to do some private consulting work in Wellington. Here
is going to become the political director in Number ten

(01:06:09):
in the UK when Andy Burnham becomes the Prime Minister,
which is a very cool thing for him to do.
Well done him and that would be a testament to
the fact that he is very good at his job. Actually, right,
here are some more of the world's most beautiful words.
I love this one, nas, which is from Urdu. It's
the confident feeling and pride that comes from being loved
unconditionally isn't that lovely? I was thinking about that. I thought,

(01:06:31):
isn't that kind of a life goal for you as
a parent to leave your kids feeling loved unconditionally so
that they head off into the world with that feeling
of confidence. That's nas this one parong ku seema, which
is finish. Parong kusima is the traditional unit of distance
that they use over there. It's how far a reindeer

(01:06:51):
can travel before needing to urinate. So there you go.
I don't actually know how that how far. Maybe I'll
come back to you. It's how far reindeer can go
before needing to do the wii's stand by new stig zmb.

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Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Even in Coming up in the next hour, Bunning's and
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what they call drop shipping, third party marketplace retail. We're
going to find out if this is a good move
for those businesses. After by six, Barry will wrap the
week that was, and then Gavin Gray is with us
out of the UK at seven past six. Now New
Zealand might be one step closer to signing a trade
agreement with Switzerland. This is off the back of the
big trade discussions happening in Auckland today. Top McLay is

(01:07:49):
the Trade Minister.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
High Todd, Hey, Heather, how are you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
I'm very well, thank you. But as days dairy off
the table, is.

Speaker 19 (01:07:54):
It well, no, we haven't started negotiating, although we do
not know. The dairy is a challenge for for Switzerland
because they have a lot of subsidy. But what we've
agreed today is to start a formal trade and investment dialogue.
Officials will meet in September and start scoping out what
a trade agreement could look like. And whilst there's no
commitment on either side, I do think that we're like

(01:08:16):
mine that and during the course of next year we
could launch the negotiations and they will get around the
negotiation table. But this is a very very wealthy European
nation that actually can consume a lot of a lot
of what New Zealand producers and for New Zealand companies
up in the EU taking advantage of our current trade
a deal, it's a very short step across the border.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Given the fact that they have said it's probably not
going to happen and we're not going to have greater access.
I mean we can probably probably shouldn't pin our hopes
on it, should we?

Speaker 19 (01:08:47):
Well look at actually, if you look at the dairy
products they consume there, they're quite high value, so they're
not the milk powers and stuff that we often sell.
They've just done a trade deal with the UK and
there is dairy in that. It's a very high value
cheese and some other things yea, even even some chocolates.
So look, we're not we're having started negotiations. We wouldn't
do it through the media. But as with everything, we'd
be going in to get the very best.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Okay, what do you think they are going to buy?

Speaker 19 (01:09:11):
A million people that is one of the wealthiest in
the world. Is you know, it's a big opportunity for
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Apart from the high end dairy products, what do you
reckon they'll want from us?

Speaker 19 (01:09:20):
Well, well, there are many things actually, you know, we
look that we might produce meat and so on, but
putting that aside, a lot of it for us would
be around the services trade. You know, some of the
things that we do very well the innovation, the science,
our service exporters are doing well around the world, and
this is a market that can consume that very very well.

(01:09:40):
In turn, if you look on the other side, there's
a lot that they do that big and a vesting
around the world. They are wealthy and we'd love to
bring more of their investment down here. They're also very
big pharmaceutical manufacturers. So you know, this is not a
game changer for New Zealand, but it's another piece of
the puzzle of given kiwis access to a market of
wealthy people so that they can keep producing and selling

(01:10:00):
and rebuilding the economy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Okay, now the US tariff, are you expecting it to
go up to twelve and a half percent overnight?

Speaker 19 (01:10:08):
I don't know whether it's overnight, but it is likely
to be over the next week. Whether you remember that
when we went to fifteen percent, the US courts found
that that was illegal in all countries of the world.
The US put in place a ten percent for one
hundred and fifty days as they worked through a process.
We were told, and you know, we spoke about it
publicly a month or so ago, that we were likely

(01:10:29):
to go back to twelve and a half percent that
one hundred and fifty days is about to run out.
So yes, I do expect that's likely to happen. We
don't have an indication if the President has decided countries
in the world are going higher than that. And whilst
it means that we are two and a half percent
lower than last time around, you know, one, it is
harmful for trade, and it does mean that US consumers
will pay more for what New Zealand is producing because

(01:10:52):
we know they're still buying from US.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Yeah. Is it actually having an impact on businesses here?
All of this up and down down the tariffs.

Speaker 19 (01:10:58):
So for some smaller businesses who've been reliant upon the
US market, it is very very hard for them, But
for the majority of our exporters, their volumes or values
have not been going down. I mean, over the last year,
even with this changing tariff rates, we've sold them by
value about four percent more. We've increased what we're selling them.

(01:11:18):
But it is the uncertainty that it's making very hard
for our businesses. You know, it was twelve percent, fifteen percent,
ten percent, you know, twelve and a half. Who knows
what will be in the future. I think that's why
you're seeing new zell and exports. Looking in markets elsewhere
Europe where we're doing well. China we're going back to
and doing a lot, you know, a lot of interest
in India. So there are opportunities still out there even

(01:11:39):
though we are still selling more to the US with
this unusual raging nature of President Trump's trade decision making.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Todd Listen, thanks very much for talking us through it.
Really appreciate it. Enjoy a week in Todd McLay Trade Minister.
By the way, sorry for the quality of that liner,
kept on dropping in and out. Okay, here we go.
Parongkusima traditional finished unit of distance literally means the least
think that the distance that a reindeer can travel before
it needs to do a where we stop seven to
seven and a half kilometers. Say you're not that Actually

(01:12:08):
I was gonna say that's not that bad, But I
reckon I could go longer, couldn't you? And I'm thinking
about both running and walking here. I'm trying to be
kind to the reindeer. But what's a seven and a
half k walk? That's like an hour fifteen Maybe you
could go longer than that before you need to weigh again,
don't you. I really gonna get a good twenty under
your belt before you have to stop. And we must
have tiny bladders right here. The numbers for you ends

(01:12:31):
at X fifty up about a half a percentage point
today as six fifty down about a half a percentage
point so far today barrel of Brent crewd is costing
eighty US dollars. That's down on like negligible. It's basically,
let's not even talk about it. It's just flat when
New Zealand dollar is worth fifty eight US cents, eighty
four Ozzie sens, fifty one eurocents, forty three ukpens and
ninety five yen and barrysople wrapped the political week that

(01:12:52):
was next twelve plus six. Listen, I don't know if
you know what zipper zippers are, buy now pay ladder
provided it's pull It's just announced that's pulling out in
New Zealand. It's it'sn ASX listed company and basically wants
to focus on its business in Australia and then also
its business in the US, which they say continue to
demonstrate strong momentum and profitable growth, as opposed to I'm
assuming the business in New Zealand. So anyway, August sixteen

(01:13:13):
is the last day that kiwis can make purchases via ZIP.
In August seventeen, it's all shut down. Quarter past six
Let's wrap the political week that was. Barry Soper, our
senior political correspondent, Welcome back.

Speaker 8 (01:13:23):
Barry, Hello again, Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Okay, So Paul Henry, with a few days to kind
of think about it, do you still think it is
the co of the campaign so far?

Speaker 8 (01:13:33):
Paul Henry will be sometimes, I think, probably wondering himself
whether he's done the right thing. But look, it's an
interesting one for the ACT Party. I'm not sure whether
Paul Henry is going to be hanging around if this
current coalition isn't returned to the treasury benches in November.

(01:13:54):
I can't see him hanging around as a backbencher for
ACT and Opposition.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Yeah, but unlikely situation, right, It is unlikely, Yes, it is.

Speaker 8 (01:14:03):
And it is more likely also that and what he's
demanding is of course to become a cabinet minister, and
he will no doubt get that because there'll be a
high place on the ACT list. So I think it's
almost inevitable if the coalition goes back, he'll be in Parliament.
But look, having worked around Parliament for as long as

(01:14:25):
I have, it's a pretty mundane working environment and its
head down, bums up. And Paul Henry. I've done a
lot of reading about Paul, and I've known Paul for
forty plus years and we've been quite good mates. But
he's not a person that sticks around for too long.

(01:14:45):
I mean, I read a story this morning about how
Peter Williams they had to chase him after every Christmas
break to get him back on breakfast because he would
always turn up late late in the months that I mean,
you know, in March.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
So what you're saying, Paul Henry wasn't on in January
and February.

Speaker 8 (01:15:03):
No, Yes, yeah, that's a story I read. I don't
know how much of the story is accurate, but.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
It's indicative of the fact that he does love the
good life, right, and he leads an excellent life.

Speaker 8 (01:15:14):
Yes, he does, and he likes the good life. He
enjoys himself and I just hope that politics measures up
to what he expects it to be. He says, and
I think he's quite quite genuine in it, that he
wants to make a difference. And the only way you
can make a difference in politics is becoming a cabinet minister,
but in an area that interests you. So I mean,

(01:15:36):
if I went into politics, I'd like to be the
foreign minister, because you know, I'm interested in travel.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
And we spent some time thinking about it.

Speaker 6 (01:15:44):
Have we.

Speaker 8 (01:15:46):
No, I haven't, No, I have not. But yeah, I
mean Paul would not get that sort of role given
the description he's given a few people on the airwaves
and the past. But he'll get a cabinet position. Cabinet's
a very hard job. You've got to read your cabinet

(01:16:06):
papers on Sunday, You've got to go in on Monday
morning and be prepared when you get to the cabinet table.
It's not an easy job. And I just wonder whether
Paul is suited to it. But no doubt he'll find
that out.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Yeah, hey, I don't think that. I mean, see, like
I said, I don't think that there's much of a
chance that Labour wins the election. What do you think?

Speaker 8 (01:16:28):
Well, you know, we saw the poll of polls and
we saw a Read Research Radio New Zealand poll earlier
and they were saying it was very tight, and I've
got to say the Opportunity Party, in both the pole
of polls and on the read research pole, give them
a pretty good opportunity of reaching that five percent threshold.

(01:16:49):
If they do, of course, don't forget that's six seats,
and six seats could determine who occupies those treasury benches,
because the Opportunity Party could be determining the shape of
the next government, whether we like it or not. But
like certainly Chris Luxeen has said they're a left wing party.

(01:17:09):
They are. They want a universal wage, you know, they
want a wealth tax, I believe, and you know they
are obviously not suited to this current coalition. So I
would imagine that if I was and I know I've
heard Hosking talk about this in the past, but if
I was Labor, I would be doing an accommodation with

(01:17:30):
the Opportunity Party given the appalling at the moment in
Mount Albert stand aside, like the Nats have done in
EPSOM with David Seymour, and you may well get.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Home because that would it is absolutely the twist potentially
very quickly. Greens on unions, what do you think, Well.

Speaker 8 (01:17:47):
It's a step back and you know it's compulsory to
an extent. You sign up for a union. If you
take the job, then you can opt out. But look,
the unions then haven about you when you do take
the job, and they can bring pressure on you. I
just think it's a silly policy and it won't come

(01:18:08):
to any sort of fruition anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Yeah, Barry listen, thanks very much, appreciate it. Barry so Per,
senior political correspondent, wrapping the political week that was Heather
regarding the reindeer in their cold climate, it's a wonder
that don't pee every five minutes. Look, that is fair.
That is fair. I mean, when you think about it,
it's not apples and apples, because here I am saying
I can go at least twenty k's without a pee.
But it is Auckland, and I'm walking around in shorts

(01:18:32):
and a tea, and that's even in July. And they
are living in wherever, Lapland or whatever, wherever. I don't
know where reindeer live the North Pole with center. So
you know, fair enough, it wasn't a fair comparison. I
consider myself admonished. Thank you. I correct the record before
the BSA get involved on behalf of the reindeer whatever

(01:18:56):
they called nowadays, because they probably have a new name,
don't they.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Ha Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
This is about like I could keep going with this,
say you know that I could just keep on going going,
And nickman, I've got to be a say complans again.
So we're gonna put it, put a lid on that
right now, no more anyway. On serious matters, Iran has
asked the Hooties to shut down the Red Sea oil
route if the US bombs the power plants in Iran,
which is quite an interesting development. The Hooses, if you

(01:19:24):
I mean, if you know what's going on in geopolitics,
The Hoosies are basically the little bitches of Iran, aren't they.
That's not an unfair thing to say, is it? Like
Iran gives them money and then they do what Iran wants.
A bunch of little bitches anyway, So the Hoosies are
prepared to do what their big daddies tell them to do.
And so they have deployed the missiles and the drones
near the bab El Mandeb Strait, which is the gateway
to the Red Sea, and they've got them up. They

(01:19:45):
got they got all the gear up in the highlands
overlooking the water. And clearly the fact that even that
I know this and I am telling you this, the
fact that it's been leaked is to deter Trump because
they're taking his threat to blow up the infrastructure quite seriously.
So they're saying this, blow up them for structure Trump
and then the Red Sea oil route shutdown as well.
Six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Talks bb IF drop shipping is what I think drop
shipping is, I hate it. This is when you go
this is what I think it is. Is when you
go on the warehouse website and you go, oh, look
at that that call. I'm going to buy the water
bottle for the kids, want two water bottles, two pairs
of shoes, and I think I really need that particular blender,
and then that's with the marketplace app and then everything

(01:20:45):
else turns up. But the blender takes about five hundred
thousand days to turn up. I think that's drop shipping.
I think it is where they don't hold the stock,
they just get it like once you order it, they
get it in for you and make a big cut.
Right anyway, that's what I think Bunnings and Kmart are
about to start doing. Might leave the University of Auckland
marketing professor will talk us through whether I'm right and
whether this actually is a sucky idea and we shouldn't
do it it also stand by we're doing that. After

(01:21:06):
half bus six we got the first details of what
an amalgamated Wellington super city could look like. By the way,
it apparently is going to include wired up, which is
a surprise to me, and also the carpety coast, which
is slightly a surprise to me. One, it'll have one
regional mayor and then the current councils will be roughly
represented by a community a bunch of community councils that

(01:21:27):
will sit below the regional councils. Were very similar to
what goes on in Auckland, right, So there's some level
of community representation, and then you got the big thing
over the top. So the community councils would be wired
up a carpety coast ported to our Hut Valley in
Wellington and they'll do the emergency management and the raids
and the transport, the large scale planning flood protection. This
is the big Regional Council surprise because Carpetty Council was

(01:21:47):
thinking about going with Harde Fenua going up with Livin.
So don't think it's a stupid idea actually from them.
You just get a sliver up the coast there and
also wired up, Like what are you doing wided up?
But why are you connecting with Wellington? There's a great
big mountain between the two of you. That's a natural break.
You should be going with the manor with two. You
don't want to be lumped in with Wellington's stink water
costs and stuff, do you? Doesn't make any sense to me.

(01:22:09):
Six twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
You've made it to Friday. There's a whole bunch of
stuff about to drop for you. So this is what's
waiting for you this weekend on the streaming. You've got
yourself a new show, Murder one oh one. This is
a docu series about trying to solve cold cases in Tennessee.
That's on prime video on Netflix. There's the finale of
heart Stopper, The Team Romance Show, but instead of a
final season, you're getting a movie. Big ticket is at
the movies, You've got Christopher Nolan's epic the Odyssey finally

(01:22:39):
hitting theaters. Good luck getting a seat, it's getting amazing reviews.
Then you've also got an animated adaptation of Animal Farm
directed by Andy Serkis. Apparently that's a stinker. Then music,
we've got Gracie Abrams releasing an album. It's called Daughter
from Hell. R and B superstar Steve Lacy is back
with another album. It's called Oh Yeah. And Kui music
legend turned Kingsland Dalla owner Jim Wigmore has got a

(01:23:01):
new album out. It's called Beautiful Mess, first album in
eight years. This is the lead single single single, Beautiful Mess.
Have a listen to this, and then we're off to
have a chat about kmartin Bunnings and the drop shipping
news talks, EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour
were the head, the duplicy Allen and Mas Insurance and investments,
Your futures in Goodads used talks edb.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
You know, if you, like many people in the UK
have no bloody idea what Andy Burnham stands for. We're
about to find out shortly because he's going to lay
out his plans for when he becomes the Prime minister.
Gavin Gray will talk us through that in ten minutes time.
Also some interesting stuff, it was like marginally interesting stuff
that's come out of you know, you get the polling

(01:24:05):
and then you get little tidbits after the polling that
come out of the polling. I've got something for you
on what voters might do if they're given an alternative standby,
and we'll run through that short. Let's twenty four away
from seven. Now Bunning's and kmart are apparently getting into
the third party marketplace space. They'll have their third party
stuff up and running before Christmas. The warehouse, by the way,
already does this. Auckland University marketing professor Mike Lee is

(01:24:27):
with us on this high Mike, Hi, good evening. Now
is this what I think it is, which is they
don't carry the stock. They only order the stock from
presumably China. When you the customer order the stock from them, yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:24:40):
Drop shipping. So it's a very agile way of not
having to have the the capital over as you need
if you're actually owning the stock. But acting is almost
like a middle person where you provide the product that
the customer needs when they want it, rather than you
holding onto a bunch of stock hoping someone wants it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Yeah, do customers like this?

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
Well, I guess the customer.

Speaker 20 (01:25:08):
Is just like, what's the best price and delivered to
them as soon as possible. So you could argue that,
you know, all things held equal, if a store could
have a product always on stock and could get it
to you quicker then at a cheaper price than customers
would love that. But usually the cost of holding the
stock and having to buy so much of it means
they can't give it to you at that reduced price,

(01:25:30):
which means the next best thing is to just order
it when you want it. So there might be a
slight delay in New Zealand often that could be a
couple of days, but it's the lower price and that's
sort of as you need the product.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
That is what customers are more interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
I asked you that question, Mike, because I've had this
experience with the warehouse right where I've gone and ordered
a bunch of things, and maybe one or two of
the products are under the marketplace banner, which I'm now
assuming is the drop shipping, and that would plain why
the stuff. Most of the stuff arrives within a couple
of days, but this stuff can take a couple of weeks.
And I just wonder if I mean, like, that's fine,

(01:26:07):
if that's what you build into your expectations. I'm not
sure it's clear enough.

Speaker 20 (01:26:13):
Yeah, No, it can be unpredictable. And of course we've
we've all seen everything from COVID to the more recent
you know, supply chain disruptions that occur when when there's
you know, any any number of things that happen outside
the retailers controlled and so so you know, that's the
trade off there they're having is that if if they don't,
if they don't want to have the cost of holding

(01:26:34):
the stock, then it's not going to be there when
you need it. But I guess most customers don't mind
waiting a little bit of to get the stock because
the much cheaper price that can then be offered as
is clearly what is more attractive to to QB customers.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Now, what's going on though with what it makes the
website look like because all of a sudden you have
just got an abundance of choice on the Warehouse website
and stomach the stuff just looks crap, doesn't it.

Speaker 20 (01:27:02):
Yeah, And I think that is a problem with the
Warehouse when when people will or analysts compared Warehouse's performance
with Kmart, is that that, you know, camera a lot
of Camar's success is just consolidating everything, and they have
this Anko home brand which is their sort of their
their flagship brand. So it's very easy to you know,
for people to know what they're getting if they have
one good experience with an Anko product and they kind

(01:27:24):
of you know, extrapolate that to other came up brands,
whereas the Warehouse it can be a bit of a
hit and miss, right. You don't know what you're going
to get because they don't have kind of their own brand,
presence isn't as consolidated, and therefore they're kind of stuck
in the middle and trying to be everything to everyone
and that confuses people.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Okay, so smart move from them or not? What's you like?
Given way happy everything for me and make a call.

Speaker 20 (01:27:47):
Smart move for Kmart or for or a Warehouse are
we talking about jeezuz, you know what do both of them?

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Okay, well, I.

Speaker 20 (01:27:54):
Think smart MUFA came up because they're obviously establishing very
few ship stores, so they have very low sort of
overheads when it comes to like physical infrastructure. They have
the brand that people kind of trust. Now Anchor, I mean,
it's got a couple of negative things in the media recently,
but on the average people kind of know, you know,
you go to Kmar, it's a more sort of streamline

(01:28:15):
experience and you can kind of bank on the reliability
of that an Goo product. With the warehouse, they probably
need to decide what they want to do because you know,
on the one hand, they're trying to break up the
duopoly and good on them on the groceries front, but
there hasn't you know, people aren't going to the warehouse
for groceries as much as they should be. Maybe if
they could be like the New Zealand version of Little

(01:28:35):
or Aldi, that would be really great for everyone, including them.
But they kind of have to decide are they going
to hit the groceries hard and become like a you know,
the sort of package goods that we have ald in Europe,
or are they going to try to compete with Kmart
and Bunnings and do all the other stuff as well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Yeah, very good point that you make their Mike, thanks
very much. As always, it's great to talk to Mike
Lee Aukland University marketing professor nineteen away.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
From Heather duple Clan.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
So this is an interesting little tidbit from the R
and Z Reid Research poll which came out earlier this week.
They've done a little bit more analysis into the numbers.
Half of voters are actually open to changing who they're
planning to vote for. Fifty four point four percent said
they would change their mind, and by the looks of things,
that could shift things around quite a bit. Now I'm
personally not so much interested. It gets very complicated when

(01:29:24):
they then say, okay, well who would you change your
mind to? And then they work out those numbers, and
I just think, frankly, that's bs because you can add
up all these imaginary things that just cannot possibly be
replicated in real life because votes is too many variables, right,
too many things can happen, and voters are too strategic
for that, Like they're not all going to en mass go.
I was going to vote for the Labor Party, but

(01:29:44):
now I'm going to vote for Opportunity. Therefore Opportunity will
be six percent. Like that, You just can't quantify that
kind of nonsense. What I think is more interesting here
is two things. The first is that there is still
a lot of movement that is possible. If you've got
fifty percent plus people out there saying I could change
who I vote for like that is a lot of
play right for the political parties. So the Greens Labor

(01:30:08):
Opportunities Party could potentially they could get They could still
grow or reduce their vote by quite a lot depending
on what happens. But the other thing that I'm interested
in is what the committed vote is.

Speaker 17 (01:30:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
So if you take out that fifty four percent of
people who would change their vote, you're left with about
forty six percent of people who would not change their vote,
and they break up like this, Labor has a committed
base of fifteen point seven. That's their flaw. That's as
small as they will ever get. Labor will get to
sixteen percent, national will get to thirteen percent if the

(01:30:40):
kind of floaty voter has departed. The Greens four point
one New Zealand First four Act two point seven, The
Maori Party one point two and Opportunity one point two.
Everything above that is losable. Seventeen away from seven, It's the.

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Do you know what I reckon? Is going to be?
Really cute? Darcy? Darcy's on after seven. Darcy's got Anton
Signa's Mamon as in the wee German Boy who came
over to Nelson Boys College and the now is becoming
all black. She's going to be She must be absolutely
beside herself with pride. Wouldn't you be? How awesome? Anyway,
Stay tuned and listen to that. Fourteen away from seven,
Gavin Gray UK correspondence with US. Hello, Gavin, when are

(01:31:40):
we going to hear what Andy Burnham's got planned?

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:31:44):
Shortly, is the answer to that promising? Apparently a new
path for Britain. So he's going to be confirmed as
the new labor leader. That'll be done by the Home
Secretary of Banna Mamoud in the role she's chair of
Labour's ruling National Executive Committee, and then he will formally
become Prime Minister, taking over from Secare Starma on Monday.
So what are we going to hear today? I don't

(01:32:05):
think we're going to hear the main positions in the
cabinet and that is getting pretty crucial because the markets
are getting a little bit spooked at the prospect of
one of the potential candidates. Ed Milliban seemed to be
very keen to spend money instead of basically keep the
tills and the receipts coming in, so they're slightly scared

(01:32:26):
about that. It might be the Home Secretary Shabanah Mahmoud herself,
but we will wait to find that out. It's a
remarkable rise from power for the Greater Manchester mayor to
MP to Prime minister. But what Labor course is hoping
is having trail the Reform UK Nigel Faraj's party in
opinion polls for eighteen months. They're rather hoping that he

(01:32:47):
will reverse their fortunes. Apparently he's going to go for
a walk around, as it were, different towns and cities
while there's the summer recess. He's talked about making the
economy work for people across the UK. Right, but how
we driving growth in every postcode and returning power to communities,
Right but how and more public control of utilities like
water and re industrialization. But how's he going to pay

(01:33:11):
for it? That's the crucial question we're going to have
to see. I don't expect much out of this speech,
but he's being accused of effectively hiding what he wants
to do until he makes it to the big chair
on Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Interesting, Hey, listen, what's this about banning the energy drinks.

Speaker 5 (01:33:26):
Yeah, it's been mooted before in the UK that these
are the ones that are these high caffeine energy drinks.
So in England they'll be banned from children buying them
when they're under the age of sixteen. So it's any
drink containing more than one hundred and fifty milligrams of
caffeine per liter, and that includes shops, restaurants, cafes, vending

(01:33:48):
machines online, lower caffeine soft drinks like diet coke and
not affected nor a tea and coffee, but Red Bull, Monster,
Relentless and Prime very very popul over here will all
breach the limit. And this is all about trying to
reduce obesity levels in children, but also poor school results
because they're saying these high caffeine drinks lead to disruptive sleep,

(01:34:12):
increased anxiety and lack of coos, a lack of concentration.
They'd first been proposed last year. Indeed the previous government,
the Conservative government, planned produce them but then scraped the
move in twenty twenty two said consumption should be a
personal choice. Now, if you think this is all a
bit nanny state, one hundred thousand children in England consume
energy drinks every day and some popular drink brands contain

(01:34:36):
more caffeine than two cups of coffee and it cause
can lead to headache, sleep problems and all the rest
of us. So that's why the government is acting.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Now. What's been the fallout from that benner?

Speaker 5 (01:34:49):
Ah, well, quite significant here in the UK. So we're talking,
of course about the World Cup semi final where Argentina
beat England. Okay, right, fair enough, but in the cellar
rations on the pitch afterwards, they unfold a banner which
said lasm Alvinas' on Argentinas, which translates as the Falklands
are Argentine. Now, the Falkland Islands are, of course a

(01:35:10):
British overseas territory in the southwest Atlantic Ocean. They were
the subject of a very bitter war in the territory
in nineteen eighty two. The seventy four Day conflict led
to the deaths of two hundred and fifty five British
military personnel six hundred and forty nine Argentine soldiers, and
the governments come out and said, look, you you know,

(01:35:31):
the World Cup might not be ourked, but the Falkland
Islands definitely are. And an opinion poll in twenty thirteen,
in fact a referendum, the Falkland Islands voted overwhelmingly by
some ninety nine percent that they wanted to remain British
and not become Argentinian. And so what people in politics
are saying is, look, you know, other teams get into

(01:35:51):
trouble when they put up overtly political posters and the
team display that when they have won a trophy or
when they're talking to the media, and they're say in
the argent Time players should face the same. Indeed, some
are saying they should be barred from the final, not
the whole team, just the players that held the flag.
And if you look at the players that held the flag,
they're all the main contributors to their success. So that's

(01:36:12):
what the UK is calling for. No decision yet from FIFA.
The matches of course, Sunday or Monday morning. Your time
and not much time to act, and I doubt much
will be done.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Gavin, thanks very much. I do appreciate your time, mate,
enjoy your weekend. That's Gavin Gray, are UK correspondent. Hither
you can't say that that percentage of people would look
to change their vote without then telling us whether they
are lefties and would vote for another left party or
National voters who now want to vote for ACT, Well,
excuse me, it's everybody who would vote for everybody else.
I've done the numbers, so it works out like this. Okay,
this is what this is why I'm telling you it's

(01:36:42):
just a nonsense. It's really hard to figure this one out, right,
because if everybody then voted for the second preference, then
it would turn out like this. Labour would get twenty
eight point seven, National would get twenty four point three.
New Zealand first would get thirteen point eight, the Greens
would get thirteen point one, Act would get ten point five,
Opportunity would get six, and the Marti Party will get
three point six. Akain, So what does that mean to you? Like,

(01:37:04):
that's not gonna happen, is it? I'm gonna cut I spose,
I mean, actually it really could, like it actually could.
National could end up on twenty four when Labor could
end up on twenty nine anyway, So if you work
at it still doesn't lead to a change of government.
So what's Labor on twenty nine plus? Then you add
on the Greens thirteen point one? So what's that forty two?
And then you add on did I do that right?

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Forty two, Then you add on Opportunity forty eight, then
you add on them. Oh, actually could lead to a
change again ha ha ha. So maybe it is relevant
and it does lead to a change of government. Lozy's
at way from seven Heather. Either way the election will
end like a dog's breakfast or a hung parliament. Nah,
I don't know, I don't know. I think I think
that it's still most likely to be a coalition government

(01:37:49):
that's returned. However, what happened in that little scenario there
that I was running you through is that Opportunity comes
through and they're sitting above five percent, they're sitting at
six percent. That is a game changer. Like, I don't
know that the Left have thought this through and realized this.
If the Left want to be the government, they need
to help the Opportunity Party get in. Then it's a
slam dunk for them basically because they've got the number

(01:38:10):
of Opportunity Party is not going to go with National
and they just misleading you into believing that they are
a left wing party that cookie left. So I mean, anyway,
I don't need to labor the point simply to make
the point that there is a change of government in
exactly the scenario that I've just laid out, which is
that Opportunity gets over five percent. So keep an eye

(01:38:30):
on that. Joe emailed me yesterday and I forgot to
tell you this because this is what the guy with
the tattoo on his leg about the World Cup has done.
It's also what Zavim Malay is doing over an unto Argentina,
you know, with a weird superstition. Joe says, there's a
word for it. It's apophenia. It's perceiving meaningful connections between
unrelated things, like if I get my leg tattooed, England
will win. If I leave the room and go to

(01:38:52):
the loo, England will score a goal. If I wear
my lucky red socks, or in the case of Zavam Malay,
my gigantic oil jacket because I'm not prepared to heat
the house because I'm a tightwad, they will win. So
there you go. If you're doing that thing. If you're
like I must to do all my lucky things in
order for Argentina to win or Spain, it's epiphenia and

(01:39:13):
that locke eenia. Could you do epiphenia before the English game?

Speaker 21 (01:39:18):
No, I kind of did a more traditional I'm not religious,
but I was praying quite a bit before the game.

Speaker 16 (01:39:23):
So you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
You don't like God until you're playing football?

Speaker 21 (01:39:26):
Yeah, pretty much? Fair enough, pretty much, and that's probably
why England lost. Anyway. Music, we are listening to Serendipity
by Tikitane because Loom is out, that new fangled music
platform that means you don't need to subscribe to anything.
You just pay and you've got it. This is, of
course Dunk and Greeve of the Spinoffs project. There's loads
of quie artists on there from at launch, so you

(01:39:48):
got bit Wronger Reb Fountain, Fur Patrol and of course Tikitane,
who we are listening to now.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
I'm glad that you mentioned that because I should have
actually mentioned it. Yeah, Loom has launched today, so if
you're a big music go in and have a look
at the lum and let me know what you think.
Let's see if this thing takes off. It's got all
the right people for it, all right, Thank you Locke,
Thank you for filling in. Lock did a fantastic job
answers off at a rave. Again, it's probably boozed by now,
to be honest. Anyway, I just came in and just

(01:40:15):
did a little drive by. Actually did ants just come in?

Speaker 18 (01:40:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:40:18):
You just swept in and asked if I was going
to go see him later?

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
And I said, what, like?

Speaker 11 (01:40:22):
What this is?

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
How much like? I don't want to call him a
loser because I don't want to be unfair. But that's
a real commitment to work where you are going to
a rave, but you stop in at work.

Speaker 21 (01:40:30):
Yeah, just to make sure I haven't blown everything up.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
I think answers either committed to work or to you Locke,
I like to think it's too I think are you
going to the party or are you not? Yeah, that's
why he came. He knew that, you knew you're gonna
pike on him. All right, listen, enjoy your evening. I'm
off to a leicture of all things. I'll tell you
about it on Monday. See you then.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
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