Full Show Podcast: 19 May 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try the truck to
ask the questions, get the answers, find the sack and
give the analysis. Heather duplicy Ellen, Drive with One New
Zealand and the Power of satellite mobile news dogs.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Vy Hey, Good afternoon to you. Coming up on the
show today, the New Zealand Initiative who want to see
public Cutbacks on whether the government's public cutbacks look good.
A pediatric professor on whether we need to ban the
soft pods for babies that have claimed at least one
baby's life. And Peter Line and the religious expert on
why the Brethren are getting rid of their pets. Heather
duplicy Ellen, Now, as you would expect, I'm a huge

(00:38):
fan of Nikola Willis's plan to cut down the size
of the public sector. This is the second thing that
I've been harping on at her about. The other one
was obviously the fees free year for the university students.
So I'm stoked that on the show we've got two
from two in terms of agitating for cutting back on
wasteful public spending. The public service in this country is
too big. There are sixty three thousand public servants. There

(00:59):
were only forty seven thousand odd public servants when Jacinda
and Grant started throwing money around. We have thirty nine
government departments and ministries. Ireland is eighteen, Australia has sixteen.
We have thirty nine. We have government departments like the
Ministry for Women that don't appear to do anything other
than write reports and make work for themselves. Now, anyone

(01:20):
arguing for us not to cut back public servants, and
there are some people who are doing this today, need
to explain why. And if the answer is O because
at someone's job, well that is not an answer because
if it is a job that we don't need, but
we just keep that job just to keep someone in work,
then that is just really expensive welfare, isn't it. But
as much as I love this proposal, I am worried

(01:42):
because I have the feeling that I just cannot shake
the feeling that this coalition may not go through with
this promise, because this is the second time that they've
made this promise. Before the last election, Act was saying
they were going to cut fourteen thousand public servants. Have
they cut fourteen thousand public servents?

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Not?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
The haven't done it. And if it feel today's and
now it feels a little bit like today's announcements being
dreamt up over the weekend because there's no actual plan here.
There's just an announcement, and the announcement is that the
public service is going to be asked to design its
own downsizing, So it feels a bit on the fly.
And also it's a week before the budget, which makes
you wonder if this has been announced just so Treasury
can take out nine thousand public servants from the government's

(02:20):
payroll when they start doing budget forecasts for next week,
thereby putting the government's books in better shape and maybe
bringing the surplus for it a little bit. Do you
see what I'm doing here? Maybe this is all just
designed to look better than it actually will be. Once
bitten twice shy, But it's a hell of a big
risk for national to take to commit to something like
this in public and then not do it. So I've
got my fingers crossed. This may just be the start
of unwinding years of public.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Bloat ever due for see Ellen.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
All right, We're going to have a chat to Roger Partridge,
New Zealand Initiative, as I said, after five o'clock, as
he has already said that he would like to see this.
Is he convinced by what we're seeing onto something else? Now,
the government is bringing in a new law that will
specify that people caring for disabled relatives are not Crown employees.
The government's doing this because the Supreme Court found in
December that two parents who care full time for their
disabled kids are employed by the Crown. The new bill

(03:10):
also states that families are responsible for their disabled relatives
in the first instance, it's not the state's responsibility. Jane
Carrigan is a disability advocate and with us Hyjane head
mate and good to talk to you again. Thanks for
being on the show. Do you like what you're seeing
or not?

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Absolutely not the caring over your cynicism about the public
service job cuts. These are people who really are working
doing the work of the government. The government is responsible
for providing disability support services. That's legislated, but there's no

(03:47):
one out there doing it, and so parents are exploited
up the wazoo. And anyone who's got a disabled family
member will tell you it's not quite the walk in
the park, or it's not quite the you know, invigorating experience.
They're trying to create, to promote it as it's it's
utter exploitation and so yeah, very unhappy with the legislation.

(04:10):
Surprised that Minister Upston would put a name to it.
Quite frankly, she is the one minister I think who's
really tried to take notice of what's happening in disability
support services, but she's been led down the frolic of
by I would argue one of those. I compare it
akin to the sheltered Workshop the Ministry of Disabled People.

(04:32):
She's clearly taken on board advice from able disabled elites.
And who better to exploit than parents when they can
be sitting in their offices doing not much more than
writing reports.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Now, Jane, my reading of it was that it is
not stopping the money from flowing to these parents to
look after the kids. It is simply clarifying that the
kids are the employers. The state is not the employer.
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (04:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yes? Since when do you legislate somebody with an intellectual
disability to be an employer, whether they're for you?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Now, I understand, But if the money is still flowing through, Jane,
like if ultimately the people get what they need, which
is the money. Then what's the problem.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Well, there is the problem. People don't get what they need.
They get told what they can have. So to talk
about needs assessing is entirely fictitious, along with everything else.
The minute you start to scratch away at any one
word and the word there you used is need, you
start to see the house of cards that it all is.
So people are not getting what they need, whether they're

(05:34):
getting what they're allocated, and they're allocated barely anything. Because
they've got a family care at home who can be
on the supported living payment and you know, living in poverty,
they're providing the care.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Okay, Jane, Because this is the fundamental question that underpins
all of this right and it's the question that was
debated amongst our team this afternoon. Is it the government's
place to prove I'd care for a disabled child or
is it the family's place? And if it is the
government's place, why is it the government's place?

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Well, because as a society that talks about having a
social contract with our citizens as being a part of
being a democracy, as part of being a sovereign country
that believes in the rule of law, that has a
court system, that has a parliamentary system that expects comedy
on the part of both. This legislation is an assault

(06:33):
on everything, not just the individuals it's intending to exploit,
namely the family cares. So in terms of children until
they're eighteen wollen. Under the Crimes Act, you're responsible for
a child until they're six and then if you leave
them anywhere. And this is what parents do. I mean,

(06:53):
I'm not talking about the sweet little down syndrome child
that sits in the corner playing on their iPad, which
is how disability support services are promoted. I'm talking about
kids who kick holes and walls, who smash windows, who
are violent, who families have little if any control over it,
and certainly are completely isolated in terms of any support.

(07:15):
Slinging bit of money at them is not the answer.
And to that end, I take the Minister's point. People
do need more supports than just to be called an
employe of the Ministry of Social Development. But for the
last thirty years these families have been completely shafted by
the system. So yes, in many cases there has to

(07:36):
be a care share arrangement and this is what when
they were closing institutions. I'm so old, I was around
when they were closing institutions, and that's what families were
being told. This isn't about money, this isn't about trying
to stop providing support. We will have a shared care
support arrangement. And the minute those places closed, the minute

(07:57):
that money started flowing to the same bureaucrats, all nails
saying should lose their jobs. And you won't find any
argument with you on that one.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
For three of them, love it. Look after yourself, mate,
It's good to talk to you again. There's Joane Kerrigan,
disability advocate. Listen, let's be clear. I'm gonna give you
my take because we did debate this. I'm gonna give
him my take on this. It is ultimately the family's
responsibility to look after a disabled child. But the mark
of what is the saying the mark of a good
society is how it treats its most vulnerable. And if

(08:27):
you've got a kid with that kind of a problem,
like that kind of an intellectual disability, it is the
mark of us how we look after that child and
that family, and in my family and my wife, if
one of my cousins is incredibly disabled, like really really bad,
and the impact that it has on his parents is
just so enormous. It is just wild how hard it
is for them, and how hard it is for his

(08:49):
oldest sister, who sometimes the parents wake up in the
middle of the night. This kid is massive, like he's
the size of a sixteen year old. His older sister
has changed his diarrhea diapers overnight just to give her
parents a break. So I think that you have to
look after families like this, and if you do not
look after families like this, the most vulnerable people, I
don't know what it says about you. Sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
It's the Heather to Bussy Allen Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 2 (09:18):
Hither. I'm sorry I couldn't hear your commentary about the
government's proposed civil servant cutbacks over the crescendo of noise
coming from the opposition, which is almost definitely let the
wings Winge James nineteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Sports with Generate celebrating great performances in sport and key
We Saber against.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Right, Darcy Watergrove Sports Talkcoasters with that Stars in what
is it one hour and twenty or forty one minutes
when they name the Warriors squad. Is Luke Metcalf going
to be in it.

Speaker 6 (09:46):
I'd expect he'd be on the bench. I think he's
too valuable not to have in the side. But I
don't know what the mach nations are within the club
and if he is in the position or condition to
play the game. Because Angel we came out and said, look,
I pick him last week because he hadn't trained enough.

(10:07):
He also troubled the contract. He hadn't been out in
the middle, so there's no way. So now they've lost
Tan of Boyd, they're thinking, okay, well we're still paying him.
He's under contract, so chuck him to the Wolves and
see what happens.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
And even more in the Dragons.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
Yeah, well but they're not real there, kind of toothless
wolves right now. They're more like, you know, skins that
you'd wear around like a stall, possibly more than anything else.
But he's going to play for the Dragons next year.
It's would be lovely to come back and just like
run straight through them and they have.

Speaker 7 (10:36):
To go back and face them all on the sheets.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
The so Alex and the sports team was telling me
he can still get out of his contract. He's got it.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
It's a rugby league contract.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Of course, they stand down periods, so he's gone until Sunday, base.

Speaker 6 (10:48):
Calling off period. All your wonder don't chat, but you
look what Mighty Martin did last weekend to drop of
Vans his first n RRAL games. He's broke his leg.
It was the last game of pre season at the
start of the year, and he was exceptional. There are
good players out there. The moves they've been practicing, the
ability has got to fold and that you'd suggest as

(11:10):
a nine hundred thousand dollars a year player at t
BAKA from just a fallen and do that. I'm presuming
that the teams still got us back, because that's the
nature of rugby league. People can't people go. I don't
think anyone gets their back too much against that.

Speaker 7 (11:23):
So we'll see.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
We'll find out just after what's you bet six o'clock
is going to be I think he is going to
be said, on the bench. Yeah, I think he's going
to be on the bench. I don't think you'll start
And former Warriors coach Matthew Elliott is going to join
us on the show tonight after seven to discuss the
metcalf situation from a coaching perspective as well about how

(11:44):
you reintegrate a guy who basically cut himself out of
the team.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
I mean, let's be honest about something here, right, Let's
talk about the feeling that I get. Let's talk about
the contract and stuff is all you a fields, They've
got the feels for each other, They've got both both
sides have got the pep with each other. Yeah, there's
a lot of grum penis and we're not sure that
if Luke comes on that he's going to buck up
his ideas and play well. Right, it's a bit of sad.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
You're just hoping for really good makeup sex.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Aren't you. Yesterday you.

Speaker 6 (12:13):
Realized that you were talking about that they were lovers,
they were jilted lovers. They had a mess you with
each other. Now they're going to come back and there's
passionate imprisonably like I think they're still jilted, or maybe
the session this weekend will actually you know what I.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Mean, they don't have to, like to take your analogy,
they have to have had the makeup sex by six
o'clock this evening.

Speaker 6 (12:33):
Right, Okay, you think that's the case. Just really have
we got a reporter down there.

Speaker 7 (12:39):
By the way.

Speaker 6 (12:40):
I love the piece you right over the weekend too.
I think you summarized.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Man, are you with the opportunities past? Are you one
of those those nut jobs?

Speaker 6 (12:47):
I'm like you that they my dismissal of the Labor
Party and what the hell is going on with the Greens?
I don't know where to go. I'm going to lost
top now. It may be because I walked from the
Labor Party after they did nothing with their mandate me right,
and to go to the Greens and see what happens
there now life, Okay, what do I do now?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yep, You've got opportunity.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
So thanks for that, well written, Well done.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Thanks Darcian. It's very nice of you to say that.
Darcy Water gave sports talk host he'll be back at
seven to talk sports.

Speaker 7 (13:12):
Yes, shets.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Hard questions, strong opinion. Here the duplicy el and drive
with One New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile
News Dog said be.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Hey, I don't know if you're aware of this, but
there has been some controversy about the new christ Church
Stadium and the toilets. So it turns out that if
they fill the stadium right up, this is Theakaha one
New Zealand. If they fill a stadium right up for
a concert, and so you've got the people sitting in
the seas, but you also got the people standing on
the pitch. The people who are standing on the pitch
have to leave out, leave the stadium and go outside

(13:46):
if they want to do a wi wi or if
they want to get food. They're not allowed to use
the facilities inside. It's just basically overloading, that's all it is.
So they have to go outside. There'll be there's like
two hundred porterloos. They can go do their mimi out there.
They can buy some food from the food trucks and stuff.
But I'm a huge drama because of course they had
the symphony thing on Saturday and people weren't expecting this.
People got very upset about having to guart Thart, so

(14:06):
they wanted to use the nast new toilets in Sart
the stadium. The stadium says, now, this is not a failure.
This is part of the plan. And actually when I actually,
I have to be honest, I don't mind. This is
an idea. So they built it for a rugby crowd,
basically fulfilling the seated stuff, right, and so when there's
overflow when they've got too many people. They always planned

(14:27):
and it's only going to happen three or four times
a year that you've got gigs that big. They're going
to just bring the porter loser. It's a cheaper way
of doing it.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Is that okay?

Speaker 2 (14:34):
They just say, maybe they didn't communicate that to people,
But if once you understand the logic, I think it
makes it okay. Having said that, how much does a
porter looose sake like that? That really is the downside
to any concert. Heather, you're not the only one. Oh,
you won't be the one losing your job. But take
a look at the six hundred plus comments on the
stuff article about the announcement. I'm not comfortable with the

(14:55):
finance minister who has a speech written, who was a
speech writer for John kea list mp making choices after
the cockstraight fairy debarcle and please share with us. Oh
my lord, that's from Chris. Chris just hates. Chris was
one of those people who I think goes job for life,
job for life because that worked in the nineteen seventies.
That was quite good a when we had job for life.
I don't regret that at all. Hither. It's obvious to

(15:16):
me that Willis has been forced into this public service
cut simply to show a small surplus in twenty nine thirty,
as she is legally obliged to do. She does not
want to do this, Otherwise she would have done it
two years ago. Grant you are on the money. That
is what I think as well. Murriold's in Australia.

Speaker 8 (15:31):
Next, the day's newspakers talk to Heather First, Heather du
for Cellen Drive with One New Zealand and the Power
of Satellite Mobile News.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Doorgs envy.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
It's charting because of the movie? I know. I was like,
what's going on? As normally we play the the things
that are like in high rotation up there in the charts.
It's not nineteen eighty five. This is in highrotation in
the charts, Isn't it weird? And all the kids will
be like, oh my gosh, have you heard of that
guy Michael Jackson as a peak great? Yeah, I love
him too.

Speaker 9 (16:14):
I've actually spoken to recorded music about this, and because
the ones that are on the soundtrack, the soundtrack only
just came out, so it's a new release, so all
the singles on it get a little Grace Peririe where
they get the chart.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Wait till they find out how this story ends. It's
not good. You're going to regret listening to this music.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Kids.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Anyway, listen, do you want to hear about weird stuff?
Exclusive Brethren? Check this out. Apparently they're destroying all their
pets in Australasia. Apparently this is according to the Age
in Melbourne. Apparently a Lisa has gone out to all
the members from Bruce Hale's Bruce Hales, who's the leader,
saying that they have to get rid of their pets
and reminding them that this was actually a rule that

(16:52):
they made in the nineteen sixties and since then things
have got a bit loose, and a reason apparently for
them setting out this letter is that last month a
dog attend four year old member family member of Bruce Hales,
and so Bruce has obviously it's gone dark on the
pets all over again. Anyway, members are already apparently according
to the Age, euthanizing their pets, including somebody who is
in New Zealand who's posted about being heartbroken to lose

(17:13):
their kitten. Now this is by far and away, Like
I am, I love weird religious stuff. I love weird
religious stuff, but this is really weird, isn't it. Like
this is by far and away the weirdest religious thing
to have happened in probably the last few years. Anyway,
as a result, we're getting Peter Linham on religious expert,
and he can he can talk to us about what
the actual heck Barry soapers with us in ten minutes time,

(17:34):
twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
It's the World wires on youth Talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Donald Trump says he's canceled his plans for an attack
on Iran. He says he's doing it at the request
of America's golf allies.

Speaker 10 (17:46):
Other countries have come to me and they've said we
were getting ready to do a very major attack tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (17:50):
They've put it off for a little while. Hopefully maybe forever.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
But possibly for a little while because we've had very
big discussions with the Ruan and we'll see what they
amount to.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Over in Africa, the confirmed death toll from the Abola
outbreak has climbed to one hundred and eighteen. There are
three hundred suspected cases in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
A former director of the CDC in Africa says this
outbreak could be extremely hard to contain.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
We don't have vaccines to a pretics for this outbreak
and the only concern that I have with this outbreak
is that it could have been already spread in salentities
for fair Way before we had detective d Nails.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
And finally firefighters and police officers. So it's a big
rescue operation. Firefighters and police officers have successfully pulled off
an operation outside of Pizza Hut and Ohio. Twelve ducklings
had fallen down a storm train and the firefighters and
the cops were able to get them all out and
the ducklings were reunited with their mum who was hanging
around near the train.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance. Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
But if you were in the Exclusive Brethren and those
were your pets, you'd have to new com wouldn't you?
Wed an't anyway. Murray Old's Australia corresponds with us.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
Now he mus very good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
So Angus Taylor doesn't mind the old one nation.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
Oh man, we's this going to land. Look the opposition.
Someone's tapped him on the shoulder and said, look, look
at the latest polls. Look what happened in Parah, Look
what happened in the South Australian state election. One Nation
is creaming the Coalition. The Coalition and Parah, the two
big parties for the last fifty sixty seventy years, they

(19:34):
could not muster the amount of votes that One Nation mustard.
So someone has tapped Taylor on the shoulder and said, listen,
you're going to have to at least come to some
accommodation with Pauline Hanson. And so the quote today the Coalition,
he says we'll do whatever it can quote unquote to
beat labor. So that's the way he's framing this. It's

(19:56):
going to be an overwhelming objective of the Conservative forces
in Australia defeat quote the worst government at Australia has
ever seen. The worst are certainly the worst labor government
in history. Over here. So twenty twenty eight is going
to be the next the next election over here of
the federal election. And once again the opposition leader's gone

(20:16):
on Sky News the late night Weirdo Show, and this
is where they seem to drop all their policies, all
their ideas, they don't bother go of the bankstream media anymore.
They just go on on the on the Murdock outlet.
So look, he wouldn't ruly out a partnership with one nation,
but he says, look, we want to be a coalition
and if we can perhaps in some way reaching accommodation

(20:39):
with Pauline Hanson and her party, you know, the numbers
would look. You know, if they could well do an
unlikely conservative coalition together the three parties, they might have
a chance.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
How do you write that chance?

Speaker 5 (20:53):
Well slim. I mean there's Pauline Hanson only you know,
if anyone ever bothers to listen to it. Oh, look,
I'll form a coalition with you, but I don't want
to be a minister because I'm going to run my
own race. And that's been her problem from day one. Yeah,
there's nobody wants to kick I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Isn't she kind of a little bit like the Maori
Party in New Zealand, so toxic at one end of
the spectrum that it's going to kind of chase away
that middle voter you actually need to win the election.
So they really don't want her part of the part
of the mix.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
Do they Well, perhaps they don't. But the raw numbers,
and it was John Howard I Famius said, are the
numbers the iron rule of politics is all about the numbers.

Speaker 7 (21:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
And if they had to go up against a one
nation in a federal election, a one nation based on Farah,
and it's only one electorate and we've get one hundred
and fifty electrics in the country over there federally, it's
only one electorate. But they smashed them, the Liberal Party
in Farah in Aubury, that was where the Liberal Party
was founded by Menzies eighty years ago. I mean, it's

(21:57):
the heartland of the Liberal Party. They got creamed. So
is that going to be translated nationally? Well, let's just
wait and see, because I think Hanson is going to
run out of path. I really do interesting as a
three dollar bill, and.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Let's see how it goes.

Speaker 11 (22:10):
Now.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Listener, you guys calling the Sprinter Idian Kittia and Ozzie Sprinter,
are you apparently exactly?

Speaker 5 (22:17):
He's apparently declared his allegiance to Australia, which I find
very distressing. His dad. I saw his dad run at
the Atlanta Olympics in nineteen ninety six and he was
to wall in Penson purpose as a Kiwi runner. I
know he was over here for a time. He was
raised I think in Canberra in the Act for a while,
went home to New Zealand for schooling, and I guess

(22:39):
that's where he's got a bit of his athletic ability.
Clear He dad wasn't a shabby athletic either, so it's
in the jeans. But look, he signed up last Christmas
with Australia big scholarship to the University of Southern California.
I think it is after trying his hand at American
football in Hawaii. Anyway, he's gone to the University of
Southern California. He's smoking them all over the place. One

(23:01):
hundred two hundred at the collegiate games in America last
week and the fastest times they ever run by quote
unquote as you.

Speaker 12 (23:08):
Knuckleets, well, I mean even we're stretching it, really, aren't we, Muz.
Thank you very much appreciated, Murray Old's Australia correspondent. You
know what Eddie and Ketzy is the human farlap, isn't
he He's another He's another fast thing that they have
nicked from us. But having said that it was our
loss because we did what was the star? I can't
remember answer.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Did we not send him to the We didn't select
him for the Olympics? Wasn't it was the Olympics or
the comm Games? Is one of the anyway, it was
the Olympics or the Comgame. It's one of those ones.
And if you don't select him, he's off to go
and get someone else who's going to select him. So
our loss it was the Olympics. Is and seventeen away
from five and I wonder if Maths is actually in
big trouble now so over in the UK, three women

(23:49):
have now spoken to Panorama, you know the documentary, the
news documentary show. I suppose you could call it that.
Three women have claimed publicly that they were forced into
non con consensual sexual situations while they were filming Maths
in the UK. Two of them were I reckon they
were raped by their husbands. One says it was a
non consensual, non consensual sexual act. One of them is

(24:10):
out of themselves. The others haven't shown Amanderson, So if
you follow the show, you know who I'm talking about.
She was on the show three years ago that she
was actually taken out of the show because at the
time the makers of the show started to get a
bit worried about what was going on. But anyway, as
a result of these allegations that have now been aired,
Channel four has pulled down all of the episodes, and
it's a lot of episodes because this thing is run

(24:32):
now to ten seasons and they've ordered an external review
it is. I would think that this is a threat
to the entire franchise because how do you assure people
that this is not going to happen in the future.
Because if you're putting two strangers into a marriage and
then they're immediately living together, right, and by the very
nature of selection for television shows, one of them is
going to be a bit cooked, right, because that's general.

(24:53):
But you want people, you don't want nice people, you
want bit crazies. So it just feels like it's fraught
and right for this kind of thing to happen. I
think is a fundamental risk. So I will I reckon
keep an eye on. It might be the end of
the old maths very Soper. Next excuse me, quarter.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
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Speaker 2 (25:12):
New Zealand initiative with US after five o'clock on whether
they like Nikola Willis's public service cutbacks. It's thirteen away
from five and Barry Sober, senior political correspondence with US
high bearing he very just quickly, did you see Labor
says it's now, It's just it's just dropped on the
Herald not long ago. Labor is not going to release
any detail on that big policy, the Future Fund until
after the election.

Speaker 10 (25:32):
Well, see, I misread it at the start. I thought
it was until after the budget, and I thought, well,
that's fair enough reason. Then you know that big things
like the Future Investment Fund, which Labour's made a lot
of in recent months, now we're not going to know
about it until after the election. So it means that
you go into the election blind, not quite knowing what

(25:53):
this fund is going to incorporate, how it's going to
be made up, and what sort of you know what.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
We know which assets rolled into it. Now, that's number one,
that's ridiculous, patently. But number two they say the reason
they can't do it is because they need to take
advice from officials after the election. That says to me,
Labor hasn't got any access to any kinds of people
who can give them an insight here.

Speaker 10 (26:20):
That is rubbish. I mean every political party. If you
want to talk to officials about you know, I fund
like this because it was a big part of Labour's policy,
then you you would certainly have information that you could
pull in to make it reasonable.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Polish the intellectual theft behind the party and the party
if they can't figure the stuff out.

Speaker 7 (26:41):
There doesn't say a lot, No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Its wild anyway. What do you make of the public
service cards?

Speaker 7 (26:46):
Well, you know we've heard this for time and memorial
really that you.

Speaker 10 (26:50):
Know, going back to the early eighties, there was you know,
promises to cut the public service. No, we'd beg to
have a lock because the big reformers of the public service,
of course was the long e Labor government. I mean
they slashed the public service, but they did it by corporatizing,
by turning public service departments into soees, and they certainly

(27:14):
cut the number of public servants down to about thirty
thousand and if you look at the public service employed
around wait for its sixty six thousand people.

Speaker 7 (27:26):
In nineteen eighty four at the end of the Molder. Yeah, well,
now we employ sixty three thousand.

Speaker 10 (27:33):
So it's gone up and down, up and down all
the way. What you see with changes of government generally
that national tends to come and they tend to cut
the public service but employ more consultants. Well, they've really
now said they're not going to employ more consultants. They're
going to cut the consultancy bill. If there's ever a

(27:54):
time is at the moment if you want to cut
the public servants.

Speaker 7 (27:58):
It's the easiest time to do it. With AI.

Speaker 10 (28:01):
You can put a lot of the work that's done
by the pen pushes and the background of the public
service into AI, so that will be used a lot more.
If you see the plans that were outlined by Nikola
Wills today, it was interesting that you made the point
that they expect to save two point four billion dollars

(28:21):
overhauling the public service. Now does that go into the
budget money and to where we see the budget forecasts
for the future.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Overall cast isn't. And that's why she's doing it a
week before.

Speaker 7 (28:34):
Well you just wonder that, don't you.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, because she's trying to game the system, so she
gets a surplus in twenty nine thirds. Well, well, fair enough,
I mean, whatever the reason, I'm happy to see the
back of this. But it does feel like Nikola has
done this quite reluctantly, right because for the last two
and a half years, certainly on our show, she's defended
the number of public servants. And even a month ago
she was telling me on it's fine, We've got heaps
of cut, heaps of back office, heaps of frontline. Now

(28:57):
all of a sudden we're cutting again.

Speaker 7 (28:58):
I've still got the same numbers. That's the problem.

Speaker 10 (29:00):
And so what they're talking about now, over the next
three to five years, the government will bring a new ministry,
merging ministries and you'll see, for example, a Ministry of Cities, Environment,
Regions and Transport being used as an example of what
is possible according to Nikola Willis today. So they will

(29:21):
be all different, like mb was born out of the
merging of government departments, so you're going to see a
lot more of that. But one would expect that when
you do merge these departments you also see a reduction
in numbers of public servants. Yeah, that hasn't always been
the Cory, right.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Listen, I see Calvin's got a job from the past.

Speaker 10 (29:42):
Through Just before I walked into the studio. I thought
Calvin Davis, he was the deputy leader of the Labor
Party under j.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Justin dun Well.

Speaker 7 (29:50):
It's a bit of a quango of us.

Speaker 10 (29:52):
Say, he's been appointed by Erica Stanford to as a
member of the Education Ministerial Advisory Group.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Now that's another case here we are talking about getting well,
it's not really is it, But we're talking about cutting back,
and then we're giving Calvin a job just to make
ourselves well. He was he was an educator, wasn't he
So anyway, we just have to live with it. Barry,
Thanks very much, Barry, so for seeing your political correspondent
eight away from five here yourself.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Think it's a my costing breakfast.

Speaker 13 (30:25):
Erica Stamford's back with us the A to wee thing,
and the union said yesterday the union said doesn't suit
all students. How much pushback are you getting from those
sort of people if you can't, I mean, if you're
going to push back against A to week do they
push back against everything?

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Quite vocal minority.

Speaker 14 (30:37):
But you know the awful thing, Mike I rang a
principle the other day and said, look, I'm making an announcement.
Can I put your name on a list of people
that the media might speak to every single time, union
ex union bosses, ex union members. And do you know
what she said to me? I can't. I'd love to.
I love what you're doing, We're backing it, but I can't.
I cannot handle the awful backlash that I will get
by putting my head above the parapet.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
We just we don't want to deal with it.

Speaker 13 (30:59):
Back to my row at six am, the Mike Husking
Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate News talk z B.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
By the way, I should have said, and I completely
forgot it. It's Barry's book launch this evening, so he's
finally going to have his little shindy and a few
speeches and a few little seven year blancs saven Yar
Blanks downstairs and the iHeart Lounge with some of his
favorite five hundred and seventy thousand people. So anyway, best
of luck to him for that. And by the way,

(31:26):
if you still can't get ahold of the book they're having,
it's a nightmare. No one. Apparently. I was talking to
the publisher at the weekend and I was like, what happened?
Why is the book seld out he said, no one
estimated how much demand there would be. Every single bookstore
out there underestimated the demand, and as a result, none
of them stopped enough and told the publishers to give
them enough. So anyway, that's scrambling, so hopefully you'll get

(31:47):
one four away from five. Now the coroner has come out.
A coroner has come out and blamed a baby's death
on the sleeping pod that he was in and recommends
that we ban these sleeping pods. Baby was five months old.
It happened about four years ago, born prematurely. He was
a twin family pearents put him down at eight pm,
put him on his tummy with loose blankets up to

(32:07):
his shoulders, and unfortunately, when the father went to get
him at seven the next morning, he was unresponsive. Now
the coroner has blamed it on the sleeping pot. It's
not one of those hard ones, you know, the pe
pe pod with made out of flax. It was one
of those. It's one of those puffy ones.

Speaker 15 (32:20):
I reckon.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
We had one floating around somewhere in the house. We
never used it, but it was a puffy, soft one,
and and the coroner reckons that was to blame. I just,
I just how do you how do you blame it
on the pod and not on the fact that he
was on his tummy with loose blankets around him. So anyway,
we're gonna have a chat to a pediatric professor about
it after five o'clock and see what he thinks about it.
He's obviously the expert here. Hither I live in christ Church.

(32:44):
I went to the concert at the weekend. Buy the
gold tickets and then you get to were we in
the inside bathroom? You get what you pay for. Well,
there's a tip, isn't it. If you've got the dollars.
You've got the dollars and you want to use an
inside plummed toilet, you've got to pay the extra money.
Otherwise you do in the porterloo and christ Church out
side right as I say, New Zealand Initiative next on
those public job cuts. Newstalgs dB.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
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Speaker 2 (33:39):
Afternoon. Nikola Willis has announced she will slash eighty seven
hundred public service jobs by twenty twenty nine. She revealed
the move on our show last night, but gave more
detail in a pre budget speech today. It includes reducing
the number of government departments, and she reckons it will
save two point four billion dollars.

Speaker 16 (33:55):
Now.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Roger Partridge of the New Zealand Initiative has been calling
for public service cuts for years and he's us high Roger, Yeah, Hi, Ever,
do you like what you see?

Speaker 5 (34:04):
I do?

Speaker 16 (34:04):
It's an important step and it's long overdue, so it's
the government's to be applauded.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Does it go far enough? Though, because if we're talking
about amalgamation, we may well retain the head count. We
just put them ad all in one big building. Should
we not be also talking about getting rid of entire
departments altogether?

Speaker 16 (34:22):
Well, there are two things we need to amalgamate functions.
We've got far too many government departments at forty three
or thirty nine budget holding departments, as the Finance Minister
described in this afternoon, so we need to consolidate them
down to about twenty. Hand in hand with that, we
need to consolidate down the number of ministerial portfolios. So

(34:44):
that we've also got about twenty. At the moment, we've
got eighty three ministerial portfolios, so we've fragmented, sliced and
diced responsibility. So some policy areas like Housing report to
as many as ten different portfolio holding minister and some
departments like mb report to over twenty ministers, and that's

(35:07):
just a formula for confusion. Nobody is a responsible. Decision
making is slowed by the need for coordinations. So there
needs to be a compression of ministerial portfolios and that
task is in the Prime Minister's hands. There needs to
be a consolidation of the number of government departments, and
then we also need to look at public sector headcount,

(35:28):
which has blown out over the last six or seven years.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Roger, have you seen the list of departments excluded from
the cost savings and head count target?

Speaker 16 (35:37):
Yes, well, I've seen a list of the roles, and
they're really to fund the frontline roles. So I think
that list looks mainly right.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
I had a bit of Bay, so fair enough. I
mean the defense forces, yes, police, but then we've got
Auto Atamitiki in their corrections. The most of the Ministry
of Education is excluded as well, I think the ro
is excluded. Should they be excluded?

Speaker 16 (36:01):
I think corrections absolutely. Zeroing in on the Ministry of Education,
I have a big question mark about that. If you
circle back to when Heaven Clark was in office in
two thousand, the Ministry of Education had six hundred staff.
When Erica Stanford picked up the reins in twenty twenty three,

(36:23):
it had close to five thousand. Now, some of that
number are classroom assistance. That excludes teachers, a sixty five
or seventy thousand teachers. Put them to one side. This
is people within the ministry. Some of that those five
thousand were classroom assistants, so they're front line roles. But
over four thousand what we would call bureaucrats officials, when

(36:46):
once there were just a few hundred. So there's a
big question mark there.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
If Minister's sorry, carry on.

Speaker 16 (36:53):
What the Minister's planning to do is is to cut
the current sixty three thousand FTS full time equivalent head
count back to about fifty five thousand.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I think that's a good start.

Speaker 16 (37:03):
There's a big question mark about whether the baseline is right,
but that's that's definitely a move in the right direction.
Much more substantial than she has talked about in the
last two budgets.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Do you think it is a real thing though, to
be looking at AI as a head count.

Speaker 16 (37:17):
Reducer, Oh, absolutely, without without a shadow of doubt, and
I think that will have profound, a profound impact going forwards.
I think at the moment our government departments are too
big quite aside from AI. If you look back at
what happened over the Durn government, the number of managers

(37:42):
increased by fifty one percent, the number of policy analysts
increased by fifty percent, the number of information professionals increased
by seventy three percent. But who could point to any
improvement in outcomes for kiwis, whether it's an education, health,
law and order. So he saw this massive inflation in
the size the full time equivalent size of the public

(38:02):
service and no improvement in observed public services. Good point,
so that there needs to be a trimming and then
we have the future of AI to look forward to,
where I expect it will lead to further radical reductions
and the size of the public service.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Roger, it's been great to chat. You really appreciated. Roger Partridge,
New Zealand Initiative Board Chair, Senior fellow it's self past five.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Heather duplessy Ellen, the coroner.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Has called for soft sleeping pods for babies to be banned.
This is following the death of a five month old
who suffocated after being laid face down in one of
the pods with blankets up to his shoulders. Barry Taylor
is an emeritus professor in pediatrics at Otaga University and
with US High.

Speaker 17 (38:39):
Barry good evening.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Now, how do we know, Barry, that the pod was
the problem and not the fact that baby was lying
face down with loose blankets.

Speaker 17 (38:49):
I think the key issue is that everybody needs to
understand that a baby's face needs to be free and
not against a soft surface. So in these who are
called baby call them lounges rather than a pod, because
it's easy to confuse that with a peppy pod, and
they were not peppy pods or wahkura. So a face

(39:09):
against a soft surface is dangerous. So baby should never
be put in a position where its space is going
to be caught against the soft surface. And if you
look at those baby lounges, they especially when you put
a baby on its front in them, it could I
mean it just are set up, especially with the them.
Put blankets on top, and you've definitely got what we
call soft suffocation as a possibility.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, because the difference with them and the peppy pods
is the peppy pods are hard, aren't they.

Speaker 17 (39:35):
They're hard, and if you put your face hard against
that hard surface, you've still got spaces but you know,
in the creases between the nose and so it's not
like it's molded against the face, and so our firm
purf surface would be fine, but soft.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
No, would you ban the pods?

Speaker 7 (39:53):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (39:53):
I think they're dangerous, especially if they used without sort
of almost continuous super vision, because babies don't turning over
until they're about four or five months of age. So
to put a baby on its front, unable to turn
over because they are not yet at that developmental stage,
then you're setting yourself up trouble. So I'm not sure

(40:17):
what the details of why they happened in this case.
I think that I heard the baby wouldn't go to
sleep except on its front. But on the other hand,
you don't want baby to die, so you're balancing risks here.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, well said hey, Barry, thank you very much. As
a really sad situation. Barry Taylor, Emeritus Professor and Pediatrics
at Otago University for Funnings, has rolled out the facial
recognition technology now in all of its North Island stores
starting today. Now, if you're thinking, geez, weren't they only
doing a trial a couple of couple of couple of
days ago with a couple of stores, You're not wrong.

(40:49):
It was midway through last month, so let's say it
about a month ago they announced they were doing a
trial with two of the stores in Hamilton, and then
fast forward a month, trials over and now it's everywhere
starting today. They're moving fast and look good for them
because I think the trial was always just it was
a fake trial, right. It wasn't really a trial was
in my opinion, what it was was just gently introducing

(41:09):
the thing to us, so first in Hamilton, then in
you North Island, then in the whole country because we're
all a bit weird about it. Don't be weird about it.
If you're not doing anything weird in the Bunning stores,
you will be fine. If you're doing something weird in
the Bunning stores, you're not going to be fine. And
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Speaker 1 (42:24):
Inz whatever dup celan neither.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
My children were born in nineteen eighty five and nineteen
eighty seven. In those days we were told to put
our babies face down in case they choked on their vomit.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
Do you know what?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Do you remember that? Face down on a sheepskin rug?
It's a wonder we survived nineteen past five. Now Exclusive
brethre in time. Apparently the Exclusive Brethren leadership have told
their members in Australia and New Zealand to get rid
of their pets. The director has gone out recently because
a family member of the leader, Bruce Hales, was the
victim of a dog attack. Peterlinum is a religious expert

(42:56):
in Massi University who's researched the Exclusive Brethren and is
with us. Hello Peter, Hello, how are you head of
absolutely weird it out? Is this as weird as I
think it is?

Speaker 15 (43:07):
It's pretty strange. But actually the Exclusive Brethren first had
these injunctions way back in nineteen sixty two and on
a discussion forum that I'm on, people have talked about
having to give up pet parrots back in the nineteen sixties.
It then got completely forgotten about until Bruce Hale's grandson
suffered this rather nasty incident.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
No, so, okay, what's the problem with the pets?

Speaker 15 (43:34):
So the pets are seen as unclean? That's to say,
I mean, we're reading a bit between the lines, but
there's some literature that would suggest that in exclusive Brethren eyes,
the Old Testament regulations about selth and dogs has somehow

(43:55):
got caught up in an interpretation that says these are
vile creatures and they're taking people away from their devotion
to God, and so they need to go.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
And so there are reports in the Age in Melbourne
the newspaper that people are already starting to put their
pets down.

Speaker 15 (44:10):
Is this really happening, Yes, it is, and I'm sure
it's happening in New Zealand as well, because the edict
was announced to the beginning of May, and they are
to confess their ownership to pets and to declare what
they've done with them in their local assemblies this month.
So we can expect possibly some people who love their

(44:33):
dogs more than God will leave this Exclusive Brethren over this.
But I mean, let's face that exclusive Brethon have to
put up with a mighty off of interference in their lives,
so perhaps this will not be the breaking point.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Do you imagine that? I mean, the Exclusive Brethren tend
to keep to themselves, affair, But so I can't imagine
that these pets are going to be rehomed, are they
They're just going to be snuffed out?

Speaker 15 (44:57):
Yes, the pets are going to be put down, and
I would think, well, I mean in New Zealand, as
you know, we love our pets, and so I'm pretty
sure there will be plenty of pets and Exclusive Brethren
homes and so I think there is going to be
a bit of trauma going on Jays.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
It's wild, Peter. Thank you for talking me through it.
Professor Peterlin, a Massy University religious expert. If that was,
by the way, if that was the standard for having
anything in your house it being filth, we'll all be
kicking our husbands out, wouldn't we. Five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in
your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
Drive with One New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile news talks.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
They'd be listen. If you told me yesterday that there
are some professional bosses in this country who go around
slapping staff members or contractors, I would say absolutely not.
But in fact there is a case of it, and
we're going to talk about it with Max Whitehead just
after the news to stand by, it's twenty five past five.
How good is Andrew Little? Within a couple of hours
of Nicolaulis's speech outlining how she's going to cut back

(46:03):
the public service, Andrew Little, mayor of the public service city,
holds a press conference. Now, he didn't say anything particularly
combative in it. His criticism of her decision was pretty soft.
But just the fact that he held a press conference
and made it clear that he planned to have a
meeting with her set at all. He was standing up
for his city. Now, I reckon there's not enough of
that in this country, not enough mayors with the bulls
to stand up to central government. Wayne Brown in Auckland

(46:25):
does this too. He's, of course, far more combative than
Andrew Little is. I mean, his carry on sometimes borders
on tantrums, but it works for him because he leaves
his voters in Auckland, and no doubt that he is
on the side of Auckland is now I just wonder
if there is a lesson in this for other mayors
around the country, because they must be just as frustrated
from time to time by central government politicians, but they

(46:46):
say nothing. So I asked some mayors about this, Why
do you just take it lying down from central government?
They say it's because they need central government to fund
their roads and bridges, and they're afraid that they say something,
a nasty little minister with a vindictive bend will take
revenge and deprioritize the infrastructure in their region. Now that's
probably a fair concern, and you could argue it's easier
for a mayor of a big city to take on

(47:07):
central government than it is for a mayor of a
small town. But I'm sure each mayor could find their
own particular reasons not to pipe up if they wanted to.
Maybe their towns like this shade of government. Maybe they're
towns like having Robbie Williams paid for by the government.
But I'll tell you what I think voters like more
than anything, even if they don't necessarily agree with the mayor,
like I don't necessarily agree with Andrew Little on this.

(47:28):
Even if they don't necessarily agree with the mayor, it's
the sense that the mayor is fighting for them and
their town. I think that is political gold. Just ask
Wayne and Andrew's rate payers. I bet you you'll find
they love it.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Ever do for see Allen that the Exclusive.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Brethren are clearly not following the Bible because Proverbs twelve
ten says the Godly care for their animals. It's in
the Bible. You're allowed to have pets in the New well,
it's New Testament. I mean that they're probably a little
into the Old Testament. You know that that's a thing, right,
Some people get hung up on the old stuff. But
like Winston, nostalgic for the old times, when you're able
to sort of stone stone people to death and send
your wife away when she was having her period because

(48:03):
it's annoying to be around her. Heither off, people think
that God wants them to kill their dogs, They're going
to have to have some explaining to do when they
arrive at the Pearly gates.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
Here.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
The children growing up with pets on farms have fewer allergies.
Does God really want to does God really want your
kids step allergies? I don't know how many of them
do you reckon? They're just not going to do it.
Probably not a lot, because you know what's going on.
I mean, you do understand what's going on here. Bruce
is a cult leader, and cult leaders like to just
occasionally sort of rolled out some real nutty thing just

(48:31):
to see if people are still on board with it,
and then if people are on board with them, do it,
then they're like, cool, We've still got you. They's just
testing them. Nutty has the way you're gonna put down
your dog because Bruce told you to. Anyway, let's deal
with the slapping boss. Next. News dogs.

Speaker 6 (48:44):
They'd beat.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Hard questions strong opinion here the duplicy el and drive
with one New Zealand tandam power of satellite mobile news
dogs end be when you're playing me.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Now, if you're do following the news with the Australian budget,
you'll know that they are talking about us as something
of a tax haven because we don't have the capital
games tax and they now have problems with it. We're
going to go to Australia after six and just see
how real this is. Is there something they're really doing
or are we just trying to try to make this
a thing that they're doing. I've got the huddle standing
by Katie Bradford Fellow Riley right now, it's twenty five
away from six. Now. There is footage circulating today. It's

(49:25):
all of the news media showing a chief executive slapping
a contractor in the face during a studio filming session.
This is how it happened.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
So stop trying to be perfect.

Speaker 12 (49:34):
Come in, stop being perfect.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Can slap me?

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Go get it out?

Speaker 11 (49:41):
Get it out?

Speaker 2 (49:42):
No?

Speaker 11 (49:43):
No, no, get it out, No, get it out. Just relax, yeah,
shake up, shake up, shake it, shake it. Can't believe
you just slapped me.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
There we go camera. Okay, So the guy who did
the slapping is the Wealth Mentor chief executive kirr and
Goss and the woman being slapped as a contractor, Savannagar Carter,
who was filming some promotional material. Max Whitehead is with
Whitehead Group Employment. He's a lawex but obviously and he's
with us. I Max, Hey, Heather, Max, if you hadn't

(50:11):
seen that footage today, would you have believed this kind
of carry on actually happens in the workplace?

Speaker 5 (50:17):
No?

Speaker 18 (50:17):
I wouldn't have. Actually, I thought I thought that most
CEOs would be really really conscious of that they could
be potentially liable. It makes me wonder what really was
going on there? What do you mean, Well, you know,
maybe something else was going on. Maybe it was a joke,
maybe they're doing preparing for a pantomime or whatever. But

(50:37):
it's a possibility. All we can do, all we shouldn't
do is come do any conclusions yet until there's been
a full investigation.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
She says that this is a pattern of behavior from
him that he always, in her opinion, did things that
he seemed to have thought were funny, and she was
part of the joke. He assumed. He would do things
like blow spitballs through a straw at her and all
kinds of careng would that go some way to explaining it?

Speaker 18 (51:05):
Well, it's not forgivable. I mean, that's not the behavior
of a CEO that anybody should do. I mean, anyone
who is in a senior position right now should be
very very aware. And I'm actually quite pleased this is
up there, because anybody in a senior role should be
watching this and going, oh my god. And look she
laughed afterwards, but honestly, it's how most things actually unfold.

(51:28):
You know, you might sexual harassment goes the same way
you think that you know the other person is probably participating,
whereas really they're not. They're just trying to be saying, well,
you're the boss, and I'll go along with this at
the moment, just to try and keep you happy.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
What case can she take against them? If it is
priced that he did do.

Speaker 18 (51:47):
It deliberately, he's in deed trouble for a start of
if I was on the board, he's gone, he's finished.
The other thing is the Health and Safety of Work Act.
They could be prosecution there because of his responsibility is
to make sure that there is a safe workplace for everybody,
contractors included as employees and even members of the public.

(52:09):
You know, Tony Gibson from the Ports of Auckland's a
good example. He was sued personally personally as CEO for
an injury that occurred now, but also under that act
you've got to look after people's psychological welfare as well.
So he really is in trouble many ways. But also
wonder if the police could do it for assault. Obviously

(52:31):
they can, that is deemed to be assault, But did
he strike her or not or was it a snap
of the fingers? But I don't know, but it certainly
needs closer investigation.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah, it's pretty crazy, Max, thanks very much, really appreciate
it is always it's good to talk to you. Max
white Head, employment law expert at the white Head Group.
It's twenty one away from Sex.

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Speaker 2 (52:54):
I'm huddle with us this evening. We have Katie Bradford,
New Zealand Herald, Senior correspondent and fellow Riley Iron You Partners,
former Business New Zealand Chief executive hire you guys, you knowing?
How crazy is that? Katie? Have you watched that?

Speaker 1 (53:05):
But now?

Speaker 19 (53:06):
Yeah, it's kind of hard, kind of hard to believe.
I've never seen that in the workplace, and I've worked
in media.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
You've watched in some crazy places. We have around.

Speaker 19 (53:15):
Parliament together, Heather and I don't think we've ever seen
a boss slap and employee maybe reported slap each other.
Come close to it?

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Well, yes, hasn't it though? In recent times? Phil, how
wild is that to you?

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (53:27):
Preefing I remember the old days and newspapers. I'm old
enough when the stories where that people to throw typewriters
each other, which are then it'll be pretty heavy. But
you know, these days it's just to completely our acceptable
of course, and Max is absolutely right, by the way,
if you're affected by this, the investigation really really matters.
You need to not just take all that at faith value.
What was going on there, what happened. Now, there might
be some serious consequences to that, but they should only

(53:48):
happen after you've got a proper investigation, because otherways nothing
will stack. So but yeah, it's wild. I mean, it
just doesn't happen in workplaces these days. Stuff like that
just doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Well, said Okay, Katie come Nikola Nicola Willis's public service
cuts Do they go far enough?

Speaker 19 (54:03):
I think it depends what side of the leader you're on. Right,
if you're one of those people who is about to
lose their job, worried you're losing your job, and you've
got a mortgage a house that you are mortgaged in
many cases you can't afford any more, particularly if you
bought at the peak of the market cost of livings,
hurting everyone you've got a family, all of those issues,
and you're right now worried about losing your job and
worried about AI taking it over. It's not good every job.

(54:26):
And we also have a high and employment rate, right
so where those going to go? And I asked Nicolauleas
about that. Today. Of course the government is saying, well,
we're going to build a strong economy, and.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
I mean it's three years.

Speaker 19 (54:35):
It's three years, so you would hope that by then
the economy is looking stronger, unemployment will be lower, et cetera.
I don't think that helps anyone who's worried about losing
their job right now. And I think sometimes and I
thought about the standing in the room today, with the
business audience that Nicola Willis was speaking to, it's really
easy to say, oh, these are just public sector numbers,
and it's easy to forget that they are real people

(54:56):
that we are talking about here.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Yeah, no, that's fair enough, but we still, I mean,
they are still people that we're paying fulfill when we
don't necessarily have to. So I'm all on board with this,
and I'm not sure it even goes far enough.

Speaker 20 (55:07):
What about you, Well, we're asking the wrong question here
instead of saying how many public servants should there be?
What we should be saying is what's the best deal
for New Zealands when it comes to public services. How
do they get the public services they need? Is that
through talking to a person? Is that through talking to
a piece of digital infrastructure. Is it going to be
some sort of tech solution. Here's a good example of
our tech solution.

Speaker 11 (55:28):
Good work.

Speaker 20 (55:28):
Tech might mean that social welfare beneficialies actually more capably
and more accurately get the benefits to which they're entitled.
Maybe that's a good way we could do it, and
we could do it without more people. So in terms
of how many people we have it so it's just
a system. Ny'll thought the better idea is to really
factor in what a good public service looks like, what
a good public service for the citizens looks like, which

(55:49):
may well be very different. I agree with you. I
think Nicolay has probably underdone it. I think you could
do more. But the politics of this, to Katie's point,
very very hard. Those who say, though that Wellington is
dying because of what's going on, that's ridiculous. Wellington is
dying because Wellington City Council has put the rates up
by eighty percent in the last five years. If you

(56:11):
want more jobs in Wellington, create a private sector willing
to go and invest in jobs. You get far more
jobs out of that than you will lose in any
public service restructuring Wellington City Council. Let's just get on
and do that.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Yeah, Now, I think back on Fell's point.

Speaker 19 (56:25):
I think this is a problem we have in general
in New Zealand, that we have a piecemeal approach to
decisions we make and changes we make. Right, so, we've
seen some cuts in the public sector already, there's more coming.
We do need to take a wider look at how
we do this. When we do this with infrastructure, we
do this with many issues we go you need a
little proper reform, a proper reform what you're looking at,
rather than this.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Piece Yes, so, Katie, in which case you need to
look at it the way that David Seymour has Right.
You've got twenty minister's maximum. They each have one reporting
line down to one ministry or two ministries who only
report back to them, and you get the stuff done
within that. But just cutting numbers for the sake, just
like an arbitrary number, that's you.

Speaker 19 (57:00):
Know, eachment Department's been told cut this much here. Well,
that doesn't actually mean you're necessarily getting the services, because
in two years time we're going to hear complaints because
someone's service has been cut. All this thing they rely
on is no longer there anymore because we haven't looked
at it properly. You're not already the coalition, you know,
David see him of course, saying it doesn't go far enough.
Winston Peter's and Nicolaulas was asked this and there was

(57:22):
a very long pause when Jason Wall's asked her that
question today, which is how does Winston Raymond Peters feel
about this cuts to In fact, she says he knows
that these are coming. I've heard this afternoon. He's saying, well,
I don't want fat facing those cuts already. You've got
the coalition issues with making these changes as well. In fact,
we're exempt from those cuts last time. Are we going

(57:43):
to see that again? That will continue to create a
problem for the mayor.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Is there a risk Phil that Nichola has made this
promise this side of the election and after the election
Winston doesn't let her follow through.

Speaker 20 (57:55):
Sure, And that's so much she's doing and saying, well,
if you want those things to occure of public, vote
for us, don't vote for Winceston. I mean, this is
this is what's going on now. We're in the election campaign,
so everybody's setting out their store. Does anybody seriously expect,
for example, that the New Zealand public will be buying
the Bank of New Zealand anytime soon. No, Winston's saire,
we should. Nobody else is going to support that. Nobody
else in Parliament, nobody the Greens will support that. So

(58:18):
it's not going to happen. But it creates news, It
creates a few potential new voters for Winston's. That's really
what's going on here. Similarly with the nets there, they're
putting it out there saying this is what we're going
to do. If you want that to happen, support us.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Yep, all right, we'll take a break, guys, come back shortly.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
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Speaker 2 (58:38):
Any away from sixty back of the huddle Katie Bradford
and philow Riley. Philip I was just raving about Andrew
Little before though, what do you think of you mayor.

Speaker 20 (58:46):
I think he's listening and you know if I text
him will reach back to me, which is great, and
I think.

Speaker 21 (58:53):
It's looking is a bit of a difference to certainly.

Speaker 20 (58:56):
The last few years where you really felt as though
not only was the council dismissive of business, but on
occasion actively hostile to business, and not just a business
but to ratepayers too. So I think the fact that
he's listening, the fact that he's I mean every Friday
night three or far up and now it's sit a
little bit. The other day he's out on Facebook. So
there's this thing on in the city. It's great, go
to this thing whatever the Festival of Football match might be.

Speaker 21 (59:18):
Well, that's great.

Speaker 20 (59:18):
That's a good start. But I think what he's really
going to do is show to business that he's serious
about that business rates differential that one of the highest
in the country by the way, that he's serious about
the rate's journey, but also that he's serious about taking
a pro business view and including that in that of
course business investment, and I think he's talking about that,
but I think more action needed, and quite quickly. I
think though Wellington's in a bit of a bit of

(59:39):
a problematic state, I must say as one who's lived
there for twenty years.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yeah, it really is. There is something in there is
something Katie in the way that Andrew Little and Wayne
Brown are prepared to go up against central government that's
quite attractive. There is a staff member here who has
actually developed something of a love crush on Andrew Little
as a result. Really yeah, I thinks it's really sexy
time Andrew takes always you find a way to leave
me speaklessly.

Speaker 20 (01:00:05):
I might be concerned about that if they see that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Painting of and they have yes the newdi ways, Yes,
yes they have.

Speaker 19 (01:00:15):
So I think what it sees about Wayne Brown and
Andrew Little is their political experience there. Obviously they're in
two big cities as well, which is helpful. You've got
that you feel like you have the power and the
strength behind you to take on central government. But Andrew
Little's a former minister. He knows politics and gets that,
he knows exactly what to say and to who, and
I do think he's probably the mere that Wellington needed

(01:00:37):
right now given the problems they've had over the time.
And he's he's smart enough to go and have done
his research and he knows the points to it. He
knows the things he needs to focus on, and like
to your point, he knew that he needs to stand
up for Wellington as a city because when people are
losing their jobs, they're not then spending money. We're seeing
those businesses suffer. But it's not just in Wellington, it's
around the country as well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
He had to do it. You're right now, Phil, what
do you make of the exclusive either in telling all
the members they have to get rid of their pets.

Speaker 20 (01:01:03):
Look, it's very very simple. Become a Catholic. I'm the
world I'm the world's most lapsed Catholic, open dark in
the church's door in years and years and years. But O'Riley,
what am I going to be Jewish?

Speaker 21 (01:01:14):
Anyway?

Speaker 20 (01:01:14):
And when you're a Catholic, you can have pets.

Speaker 21 (01:01:17):
And you can have a drink. I mean, that's brilliant,
isn't that? Be a religion be a Catholic.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
But it doesn't stop there. You can do everything as
long as you say you're sorry for it afterwards.

Speaker 20 (01:01:27):
Well exactly, get it into the confessional and you just
have to eat fish on a Friday and linked I mean,
and that's great. In New Zealand fationships brilliant. So I
think I think it's the huge religion ca Solicism, and
I think, well, exclusive Brethren should swap across because they
can keep kitty and have a drink at the same time.

Speaker 19 (01:01:42):
And God, by the way, the right tagged audience for here,
I don't have petzel religions, so it's again I can
do what I want, right. But I heard this afternoon
that apparently there was a back down from the brether
and a Brethren back down?

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
What do you call that?

Speaker 11 (01:01:55):
That?

Speaker 19 (01:01:55):
Maybe they have seen their back class?

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Where did you see that there's a Brethren back down?
Someone in the.

Speaker 19 (01:01:59):
Newsroom was talking about it not that long ago. But
who knows? It's the Brethren? They notoriously secret of the Exclusive.

Speaker 6 (01:02:05):
Brethren, right, So.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
I don't know what.

Speaker 19 (01:02:09):
I don't know what you sign up for when you
sign up to be an exclusive brethre And do you
sign a piece of paper that says I won't own pets?
And then how have so many people?

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Then well, just now they've got you by the shortened curlies,
because you want all your mates are in the church,
and all your families in the church, and stuff in
your businesses.

Speaker 19 (01:02:22):
You can only work.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Yeah, you don't want to get excommunicated. And you don't
know that we're saying this about you because you haven't
got the radio. Yeah. So they can do what they want.

Speaker 19 (01:02:30):
But someone must have told them at some point they
were they were allowed pets to suddenly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Nah, they forgot that. They said in the sixties that
they weren't allowed anywhere. The poor people and the poor pets. Guys,
it's good to talk to the pair of you are
really appreciated. Fellow Riley. I'm Duke Partners, former Business New
Zealand Chief executive and Katie Bradford New Zealand Herald Senior correspondent.
Talk to you guys again soon. It's nine away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Here the how do you rate the mayor of the
second biggest city in the country? Hold on Itack, isn't
that Wellington? Or is that now christ Church? And which
is bigger? It's christ Church? Phil Major? Nah, he's not.
I like Phil. Had the pleasure of meeting Phil a
couple of couple of three weeks ago. It got good
handshake on the man. But he's not standing up to
government enough, is he? So you got it. There's only

(01:03:23):
two of them doing it at the minute, so you
got to be in it. I'm that's the league I
want to be, and I want to be. I don't
always agree with these guys. I don't always agree with
Wayne and Andrew, but I just like them fighting for
their cities. Now. Listen, speaking of councils, do you remember
the kafuffle about the Far North District Council when they
decided to put ten unelected Huppoo members on a committee
with full voting rights. They're not actually members, they're just

(01:03:44):
like Huppoo representatives. They're like, oh you just jump on this,
just jump on that committee.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Yeah's okay, Yeah you're out. Absolutely. There's more of you
now than elected people. Don't worry about it. Full voting
rights view as well. Remember that, and it was a big,
big hoh for obvious reasons, because you know democracy hashtag.
In April, we got the Minister on Simon Watts because
we were like, this is not all good, come and
chat to us about it. This is what he said
to us.

Speaker 6 (01:04:07):
I've got a bill on the table I'm getting some advice.

Speaker 7 (01:04:09):
I need to put that through the cabinet process and
get the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Support from When should we check back with you, I reckon.

Speaker 7 (01:04:14):
Probably in the next month or so.

Speaker 11 (01:04:16):
It's going to take about that long in terms of
processes to work its way through the system, is it though?

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Because a month expired on Sunday the seventeenth of me
two days ago. So I got in touch with Simon.
I don't even don't even get me started on how
hard it is to get to get an answer out
of this office because old mate who's is pre sect
a will. But then there was a one New Zealand
outage on the phone, so we're like half a half
at half and half an understanding for that. But it
did take sent her an email and she didn't response,

(01:04:42):
and then I was like, I'm just going to text
your minister. So I text the minister. Oh there comes
the email back from her anyway, But then Simon got
back to me and Simon said, I've received advice from
my officials and I'm currently discussing with my cabinet colleagues
and expect to provide an update soon. Happy to jump
on the show at that point, cool, okay? So we've
had a month now, now are you're saying you need
more time home? Much more time do you need? Simon?
I text him, when do you want me to check

(01:05:02):
in with you? No answer left me on the red.
So then I thought be fair to him. We'll be
fair and we'll give him another twenty four hours. So
I text him again today and I was like, Hey,
sorry to bug you. Sorry, how long do you need?
Left me on red. So I'm not sure that I
care enough about this to keep on hassling him, because

(01:05:23):
I've already done a lot of hassling of Nikola in
the last two months and two years, and we've got
some results on that. I don't know that I can
be bothered in hassling Simon about this. I just think
we need to accept that Simon doesn't care enough to
really give this the hurry up. So I think if
you're if it winds you up, I'm just gonna be no,
I'm just gonna be honest with you. Okay, if this
kind of crap winds you up, let's just see it
for what it is, right, Simon's not going to fix

(01:05:44):
it for you. If you want it to be fixed,
you probably have to go to the act party because
they're the ones agitating on it, although there are questions
to be asked as to why they haven't actually managed
to fix the thing because they are actually in government
at the moment. But we'll just leave it at that
while I've got you really quickly update update. I tried
the fake butter that the husband bought the other day,
you know, the butter blend, which was basically just vegetable
oils presented like it was butter. It wasn't that bad.

(01:06:07):
He put it on a toasty he thought. I didn't know,
but I saw him get it out, so what I
I saw you do it? Mate? It was okay. It
did taste a bit like butter on The only clue
was that afterwards there was kind of like a sweet film,
you know how, like the fake the fake stuff. Even
when you eat the kind of weird funny chocolate, you
get the kind of weird film in your mouth out
towards you're like, it's like like soap that doesn't want

(01:06:28):
to wash off, you know, like that, And it was
just a little sweet. But apart from that, like if
you don't mind getting arthritis and like cholesterol and all
kinds of heart issues from eating fake, fake stuff totally.
You could cast it off as butter. It's nice Australia
next on whether they really consider us a tax haven
post their budget news toods'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Evening. Coming up to the next hour, Jamie McKay is
going to talk us through how Kiwi families and need
are going to get more access to wild game. Meet
Nick Leggett of Infrastructure New Zealand on the warning that
Queenstown needs to double its building on infrastructure, and then
Ender Brady on another backdown by Andy Burnham at seven
past six. So a recent headline in the Australian newspaper
declared budget increases New Zealand's appeal as a tax haven.

(01:07:27):
To talk us through whether this is really happening or not,
we have sawles like an independent economist in Australia.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
H I Saul Kerara, Heather, thank you for having me on
the program.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Thanks for joining us. Is this real or are we
just trying to make this happen?

Speaker 11 (01:07:40):
A I think it is probably wishful thinking on the
part of some people in Australia who'll be adversely affected
by the changes announced in our budget last week. That
is to say, they'll have to pay more tax on
their capital gains and may not be able to negatively gear,
as we say over here, their investments in residential proper.

(01:08:00):
And you know, people look over the ditch and see
that New Zealand's top rate of thirty nine is lower
than our top rate of forty six or forty seven
if you include our medicare levy, and that you don't
really have a capital gains tax other than on assets
that are held for less than two years. So they
might think that looks a lot more attractive than Australia.

(01:08:23):
But it's not as if people can decide that they
shift their domicile to New Zealand unless they actually physically move,
which of course Australians can do quite freely. But they
would still be liable to Australian tax on capital gains
that they earn on assets in Australia, and they get

(01:08:46):
a credit for that against any tax they might have
to pay in New Zealand, which would probably wipe that out. Alternatively,
if they wanted to stay in Australia but move their
investments to New Zealand, say they might decide to sell
property in Australia and invest in property in New Zealand.
They would need to be confident that property prices, for example,

(01:09:08):
would rise more rapidly in New Zealand than they will
in Australia, which hasn't happened for quite a long period
of time, given the success that you over there have had,
increase in increasing housing supply, especially in Auckland, which we're
struggling to do, and Australians would still be subject, I think,

(01:09:29):
to Australian tax on capital gains that they've made overseas.
They get a credit for any tax they paid to
the New Zealand government, but if that was less than
the tax they would pay on an equivalent investment in Australia,
then the Australian Taxation Office would slug them for the
difference if they were resident in Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Okay, so not quite the tax haven that we might
have thought we were. Has it taken you by surprise
how badly this budget has gone down with the average punter.

Speaker 11 (01:09:59):
Well, I'm not sure whether it's gone down badly with
the average punter who doesn't pay capital gains tax because
he and she doesn't have capital gains.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
I mean, only.

Speaker 11 (01:10:10):
About seven percent of Australians reported taxable capital gains in
the most recent year for which we have data, that's
our fiscal year twenty twenty two to twenty three. And
while quite a lot of Australians, a bigger proportion of
Australians are property investors. Almost one in every five tax
paying Australians has at least one investment property. Those investors

(01:10:34):
aren't going to be adversely affected by these changes because
they've been grandfathered. It's prospective investors in property who will
have to invest in a new build if they want
to continue to get negative gearing concessions and favorable capital
gains tax treatment. They won't get it for investing in

(01:10:55):
property we've already got. And that's the point of the exercise.
You know, the government wants to discourage people from bidding
up the price of property that we've already got out
competing would be home buyers and thus increasing the demand
for rental housing as much as they're increasing the supply
of it. We want less of that investment and more
investment in the construction of new housing, which actually genuinely

(01:11:19):
does add to housing supply. So there's a lot of
noise being made by people who may have to pay
more tax as a result of these changes, and because
they tend to be better off than the average punter,
they have more ways of making their views heard by
wider audiences. But that doesn't mean to say that the
average punter is annoyed. I think the difficulty our government

(01:11:41):
will have is that this does break an explicit election promise.
You the Labor Party who are now the government here,
they went to elections in twenty sixteen and twenty nineteen
promising that they would do what they announced last week.
They lost both of those elections, albeit narrowly. They the
election in twenty twenty two and again in twenty twenty

(01:12:04):
five by a very big majority, promising that they wouldn't
do these things, and now they've done them. As I
think has happened in New Zealand as well. When governments
do things that they have said they wouldn't do, that
tends to get people's backs up, even if they're not
particularly fussed about the policy they don't like being what's
perceived as being lied to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
As a fair affair point that you make, Saul, It's
been very good to talk to you. We'll get you
on the show again and chat about some other stuff
when we get the chance. That's saw less like Australian
Independent Economists. No Luke metcalf on the squad. I don't
know if you heard the bulletsin just before, but he
hasn't been included in the squad at all now. I
don't know if we take if we take Darcy's terrible
analogy earlier, does that mean they haven't had the makeup

(01:12:46):
sex yet so they're still angry with each other? Is
that what's going on? Let me give you the numbers.
Ins it X fifty is up one point six six
percent today ASX fifty is up one point zero six
so far today, barrel of Brent crude is costing one
hundred and ten US dollars. That's down on one percent
over the course of the day. One New Zealand dollar
is worth fifty nine USNS eighty two, Ozzie sens fifty
eurosens forty four, UK penson ninety three Yen thirteen pass six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
It's the heather duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on my Heart Radio powered by news dog Zebbi.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Well, guess what I forgot to tell you this? Not
no sooner had I mentioned the words Simon Watts on
the radio than Simon Watts takes me back a couple
of weeks, he said, thanks, Simon. Right, it's in the
diary Simon. Now I know you're listening, So I'm coming
for ye in a couple of weeks. Hopefully there's a
good announcement on that sixteen pass six. Jamie mckaye, host
of the Countries with.

Speaker 22 (01:13:36):
US, can I Heather right, what.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Are the predictions for the GDT.

Speaker 22 (01:13:42):
Well, we're getting there at the end of the season.

Speaker 20 (01:13:45):
Now, Heather.

Speaker 22 (01:13:45):
So look, it's good. It's good despite everything that's going
on around the globe. At the moment, futures market is
picking the powder's whole milk powder, especially skim milk powder.
It's the flavor of the month at the moment, up
two percent. The fans butter and cheese are flat and
we'll probably take flat. Interestingly, the futures for the current

(01:14:06):
season that we're just about to finish effectively at the
end of this month, nine dollars eighty three twenty six
to twenty seven season futures are currently sitting at nine
to ninety. That is a great number to start off
a new season on. So it begs the question is
ten dollars on the cards for this season? If I
was a betting man, and I'm not because I didn't

(01:14:27):
want any money on the PGA Golf tournament, I would say,
we're just going to run out of runway before the
end of this month. But we're going to be in
the high nines, which is still very acceptable.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Totally. Now, what's this about the wild game meat and
families who are in need?

Speaker 22 (01:14:43):
I think this is a really good initiative and there
are a number of groups working on it. But I
was reading about a new partnership between the New Zealand
Game Animal Council and the Wild Game Recovery Trust to
boost wild game meat donations. So this is the hunt
who go out, the weekend warriors. They go out and
get a stag or some deer or something like that.

(01:15:06):
And by using the hunt and Hunt and Share platform
at the program connects hunters butcher's food banks, and the
main thing is they make it safe and traceable because
you've got to be careful obviously with health and safety
on this sort of thing. So this initiative is hoping
to also cover the processing costs for this donated wild

(01:15:28):
meats such as venison. Now, the Wild Game Recovery Trust
founder and chair where does he get his energy from?

Speaker 11 (01:15:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 22 (01:15:35):
Fed Farmer's President Wayne Langford, who also founded the food
charity Meet the Need, said the Game Changer ENDZ aims
to grow the volume of wild game meat being delivered
to families in need. So they donate it, they handle it,
they record it, and they pay for the whole thing

(01:15:55):
now set The Salvation Army have said that meat is
the most request food from Kiwi or from Kiwi families
are using their services game Change in New Zealand. This
outfit currently supports one hundred and twelve food banks nationwide,
including sixty one Salvation Army food banks. The good thing

(01:16:15):
about this thing, Heather, is the more we can get
hunters out into the hills and getting the wild venison.
I'm sure they can do the same with pigs and
all that sort of stuff and get it onto people's plates.
The better we are because you're killing two birds or
in this case there and pigs with one stone. You're
getting rid of a pest and you're feeding hungry families.
Great initiative.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Yeah too, right, Jamie, thank you has always really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
We'll talk to you in two days. Jamie McKay, Host
of the Country. Heather Luke's not been fit for a
couple of weeks. This is Luke Metcalfe. He'll be there
for the Panthers game. Cheers Awesome Show. Bruce Wier wrapper,
Heather Luke. Andrew Webster say yesterday that Luke would not
be on the side this week as he is underdone
and playing time and training. What planet is Darcy on? Well,
Colin actually to answer that question, we it was. Weirdly,

(01:17:01):
it became the subject of quite a debate between Alex
and Ben in the sports team yesterday, to the extent
that they were getting quite lippy with each other about
and Andrew said he's not in this week now. Andrew
didn't say that. And Andrew did say that. And Andrew
did and so we were like, guys, get the video up.
So Ben got the video up and we listened to it,
and what Andrew actually said was he didn't know if

(01:17:23):
Luke would be available for this week, So there was
a little bit of wriggle room there. So it sounded
like probably not but maybe is what it sounded like,
if if Andrew had kind of expanded on to be
probably not but maybe, and so in the end of
course he wasn't there, so we should have gone with
his first answer, which is probably not. But there was
a bit of wriggle room. To be kind to Darcy,

(01:17:44):
be kind to Darcy Man, as Olivia Dean says, it
got to be nice to each other.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
News talks that'd be text here from Jeff Heather The
Herald Online right now rapists singer Nelson Court today given
a five percent discount for good character. Jeff, thank you
for drawing that to my attention. So yeah, there is
a it's just gone up in the last twenty minutes
on the Herald A chap shum Sheer, I think his
first name was something Shamsheer sing or something like that,
married with two young kids, went on a dating app,

(01:18:28):
met a woman and then raped her. And this is
the bit that Jeff was referring to. From a starting
point of eight years in prison, Sing was awarded a
minor credit for his previous good character, and a further
ten percent of that's five percent, and then a further
ten percent for the impact his imprisonment would have on
his young family, including emotional and financial hardship. They are
innocent victims of your offending, said Judge Harrip. The total

(01:18:50):
fifteen percent credit took the sentence to six years and
nine months on the lead charge of rape. I can
understand that that a victim would feel a bit grumpy
about that. You would, would you that you're sitting there,
You're the one who's been offended against. You're the one
he held down and took advantage of. And now he's
got five percent for good character. But there's no good
that what is this an out of character? Expert? Rape

(01:19:11):
is out of character?

Speaker 5 (01:19:12):
Now?

Speaker 15 (01:19:12):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (01:19:14):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Or is it actually just the true reflection of your character?
So yeah, I get how upset people will be. And
then Jef says, please don't question Ruth money, Well it was.
It did end up quite weird, though it wasn't altogether
my fault that it ended up weird. I text Ruth
afterwards and I was like, mate, I am sorry that
that went all wild like that. And she said that
she just moved house, which is why she didn't know
where her files were. But anyway, no excuses. I am

(01:19:37):
constantly I just say this to you. I'm constantly surprised
at how weird we are in this country about AI
because a lot of the conversation about the public service
cuts today is all predicated also in part on the
fact that we've got the AI technology now, so we
can start cutting people's jobs because the AI can do it.
And people are texting me about it and they're like,
not happy about this at all. You're a heartless heather
that you want machines to take over people's jobs. What's

(01:19:59):
gonna happen with you? Like it or not? Mate, you
may as well just live in reality. Anyway, there's a
pole that's running on stuff at the moment, So it's
not science, is it. I mean, it's not even necessary
to call it. A pole is a misnomer. It's an
opten survey. It's just a bit of a vibe check
of the random selection of people who would be reading
stuff at at that moment, and it asks how people

(01:20:19):
feel about AI. These are the three answers you can
choose from. Concerned and don't trust it, I am certain
it will improve lives, it has risks and benefits. Which
one do you think is leading the pole? Yeah, of course.
Concerned and don't trust it by a huge margin. Concerned
and don't trust it is on fifty one percent. I
am certain it will improve our lives is on eight percent.

(01:20:41):
It has risks and benefits, which is sort of the
middle ground. Forty two percent. We are really weird about
new technology, like get over it. You've got to get
over it. Got adopt AI. It will change your life
and after that you'll never look back. Twenty six past six.

Speaker 8 (01:20:54):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
This is Shakira. She's rich day. She's got a reported
network of six hundred million New Zealand dollars. But after
a court ruling, she's about to get even richer because
she was accused wrongly of not paying her taxes in Spain.
The issue started eight years ago when Spain accused her
of not paying her tax in twenty eleven. The problem
was she didn't live in Spain. This is when she
was dating her ex who was a footballer, and as

(01:21:20):
you do with your partner, you like to visit them
and he was out of the country. Now, in Spain,
if you are considered a tax res you are considered
a tax resident if you spend more than one hundred
and eighty three days in the country. The court could
only prove that the singer spent one hundred and sixty
three days in Spain in twenty eleven. Now this is
a really big deal because, in a completely separate case,
Shakira was potentially going to prison for not paying her

(01:21:40):
Spanish taxes. They literally wanted her in cuffs. In a
last minute deal on the first day of the trial,
she only had to pay a couple of million euro fine,
but that was for unpaid taxes in twenty twelve, twenty fourteen.
It's all a bit missy, but this case proves once
and for all she wasn't a tax resident in Spain
for twenty eleven. So not only does she get back
the money that she was fine, she also gets interest

(01:22:01):
on it, which works out at about one hundred and
forty million New Zealand dollars. Now is that money question
for you? Is that money worth the eight years of
interrogation within a country? Probably I would take eight years
of playing for one hundred and forty million dollars, wouldn't you? Yes,
of course you would. Nick Leggat is with us next

(01:22:21):
on Queenstown's infrastructure.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
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Speaker 9 (01:22:41):
Tell Barway he's just stabbing round the room.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
And judge and bark smile. Andy Burnham, who wants to
become the next Labor prime minister, has been pictured jogging.
It's a right of passage. It's a right of passage.
If you want to be the British, you've got to
be out jogging. I don't guesse. They've all done it,
like all of them, even before Tony Blair, they all
did it. The worst one was definitely Boris Johnsonday because

(01:23:09):
like no one thought he actually jogged. So when he
went out jogging, all we all looked at it. And went,
you're just doing this for the cameras. Mate, this is performative.
You don't actually jog anyway. Ender Brady, who does a
good job, is going to be with us in ten
minutes time on whether this actually So he's not actually
gonna come and talk to us about whether this sets up.
Andy Burnham is a Prime minister, but that doesn't preclude

(01:23:30):
me from asking a stupid question like that. So I
shall twenty four away from seven. Now there's a warning
that Queenstown needs to double its infrastructure in the next
fifteen years. It's come from the boss of Southern Infrastructure
who says the population in Queenstown is booming and the
roads and utilities aren't keeping up and the pitch that
he's got is a gondola network. Nick Leggett is the

(01:23:50):
CEO of Infrastructure New Zealand and joins us. Now, hih, Nick, hello, head.
I mean he is right, isn't he that the infrastructure
is just not keeping up?

Speaker 21 (01:23:58):
Oh, it's not. I mean, do you think about how
Queenstown has grown so massively over the last forty years,
and it's not just the big growth and the struggling
infrastructure that they've got a precarious electricity connection. They've got
very poor health services, really bad housing supply, and then

(01:24:19):
that's before you get to the water and the roads
and you know, big congestion. People notice that the people
who live in Queenstown you know every day, but also visitors,
and it is, you know, it's kind of the postcard
view of New Zealand, and it's a lot of visitors experience,
you know, and it sets you know, it gives them

(01:24:40):
the taste of New Zealand. And if that's difficult to
move around or there's you know, there isn't reliable infrastructure
that leaves a bad taste potentially, So we do have
to do something for the people who live there and
for the visitors alike.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Yeah, we've been talking about this for ten years at least,
probably even longer than that. Like, how is it that
we haven't done anything about it?

Speaker 21 (01:25:00):
Yeah? Look, isn't this the great New Zealand story?

Speaker 20 (01:25:03):
Though?

Speaker 21 (01:25:03):
We are brilliant at admiring a problem and we just
don't execute. And I think that is it's the big
infrastructure challenge. It's like it's if you do see a need,
you've got to invest. And what we've actually got to
invest in a lot of is the assets we already owned,
but in Queenstown's case, it's actually new stuff. And so

(01:25:25):
I think unlocking new ways of funding. Like we had
an event last year with Sir John King and Queenstown
and he backed the position that infrastructure New Zealand took
on let's unlock some different ways of funding things. So
we talked about a bed charge, which is where you
would put obviously a charge on all those overnight beds.

(01:25:46):
You know, because any given night, twenty five percent of
people who are occupying a bed in Queenstown are not
permanent residents and there's about half a billion dollars to
spend on three water infrastructure alone over the next ten years.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Way on that hotel tax, though, do you put it
on just hotel beds or Airbnb beds as well?

Speaker 21 (01:26:05):
I think I think you would do it on every
guest bed. That's that's the thing. And it's not like
it's not it's not a tax, it's actually a charge
for a service. And New Zealand is really poor at
charging people directly who run up a cost, and so
we reckon that. That would probably generate about twenty five

(01:26:28):
to thirty million dollars a year for Queenstown. Imagine if
that every year was able to be invested in servicing debt,
that built infrastructure. And that's before you even get to
the gondola. You know, Queenstown, if you think about those
people who visit, know that between the airport and the
sort of central part of town is the narrow bench.
And you can't build out the road, right, you can't

(01:26:49):
do anything with roading. We have to look at alternative
ways to move people around it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Are you suggesting you gondola over from.

Speaker 21 (01:26:56):
The around around? And that's the that's the proper position, right,
and it's going through the fast track. Now, yeah, we'll
get a good hearing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
And it's a joke. Why can't they just do normal
things like buses?

Speaker 21 (01:27:10):
Well, because because you know the road, the road is limited.
You actually can't really do more with the roads. You know,
you know what it's like, it's like long and narrow
and there's either there's a lake on one side and
peny of houses on the other, so you've got you
haven't got much room to come to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Come on, come on, give me the chances that we
actually end up building a bloody gondola.

Speaker 21 (01:27:30):
Well, what I would say is let's have an open
mind to it. And there are plenty of other problems
we can fix there with with the tools that we've
gotten that we don't have. If you think about electricity supply,
if you think about water, and you think about housing.
But the gondola, we've we've got to find alternative ways
of moon people around. So like, I'm open to it.
Like it's not a stack up. I'm not saying. I'm

(01:27:51):
not saying build it. What I'm saying is, let's give
it a fair hearing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Okay, all right, Nick, let's see. I love it. I
love it. I love a looney idea. So we'll see
if it happens. Nick, leg it Infrastructure New Zealand CEO
twenty away from seven Kell D c Allen, who knows.
Like if it actually came off, it would be quite cool. Though,
wouldn't it catch a gondola in from the airport? That
would be different. Hey, By the way, on the AI
problem with AI here there is it's not made with anything.

(01:28:15):
It's not made anything cheaper for the consumer with technology advances,
and if people keep losing their jobs, who will be
able to buy those companies products? Dunno Mark dun'no, but
it is the fifth it's the fifth technology technological revolution.
So you're either in it or you're not. You can
be You can still be the guy who's going, what
is that? What is that computer? Why should I change
from my pen Nay, Mike quill, you could be that

(01:28:38):
guy if you want to. We're all on the AI anyway,
even the popes on the AI, which is why I
want to tell you about this. He's on the AI.
He's got he's gonna launch his first in incyclical. I'm
not a Catholic. I'm trying here, Okay, it's it's it's
Pope Leo's first in cyclical and apparently all the popes
have these incyclicals that they release and basically it's just
like a papal letter on the state of humanity. And

(01:28:59):
his one is called the Magnifica. Am I saying this, Okay,
a's because I don't really speak Latin. Magnifica humanitis, which
is magnificent humanity, and it's all about human dignity in
the Age of AI. So he's got the founder of
Anthropic there at the launch. This is what happening next Monday.
So he's really going hard, Like even the Pope can
see AI as a thing, right, so they got and anyway,

(01:29:20):
the thing is, everybody is reading this as another big
middle finger to Donald Trump, because of course, what did
Donald Trump just do the other day he said all
the US agencies have to stop using anthropics or which
is the AI guy that Pope gets over? Yeah, old
wait from anthropics. So you can see this is not
going to make things better. By the way, did you
realize that we're selling a variety of pears around the
world that costs seven dollars a pair? Seven dollars for

(01:29:45):
a pair? What would you, like, what would you pay
seven dollars for? Would you pay seven dollars for an avocado?
So I'd draw the line absolutely not maybe seven dollars
for a pineapple, because it's kind of a bit of
a like, eh, it's a bit it's a bit different.

Speaker 4 (01:29:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
You just look at or like seven dollars for a mango.
There's not a lot of flesh for seven dollars, Like
I think it's not a lot of things you would
pay seven dollars for in the fruit section, but a
pair that's the size of your hand, you definitely wouldn't
pay seven dollars for, but people are. It's the Peaka
red pear. It's been developed in collaboration with the Bioeconomy

(01:30:20):
Science Institute. They've done this for the last twenty years
or so, and it was first commercially plants. It must
have spent the first ten years or so just developing
the thing, and then ten years ago they planted the
first commercial plantings of it. And it's largely grown in
the Tasman Hawks Bay in Central Otago regions. Anyway, we've
got now one hundred and eighty thousand of these peka
trees in New Zealand. And the pear is red. It's

(01:30:41):
supposed to be crisp, and it's supposed to maintain its
eating quality for longer than traditional pears. And it's kind
of sweet like it's usually like the sweet flavor usually
associated with the Asian pears. Anyway, people are loving it.
I bit you. It's the Asian markets loving it because
they love the bright red stuff. And apparently people don't
really like pears, which is why we had to as
it up, which is weird because pears, to me, pears

(01:31:03):
are like apples are like every day it's just boring.
Isn't this pedestrian? Isn't it like it's good for you
but pedestrian? Or you want to mix it up a
little bit, you get a pair which is like a
sexy apple, so you don't even need to you don't
even need to make it read for me. But now
that it's red and going for seven dollars, how good
is that for New Zealand? Sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplessy
Allen on the Business Hour with mass Insurance and Investments,
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Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
I was skeptical about the gondola, but after sitting through
a presentation, I'm sold. However, it was Rod Drury's idea
and he was really driving it as of a few
weeks ago. But he isn't any more for obvious reasons. Noice,
no one is mentioning that anymore without him leading it.
I'm not sure where it'll go, which is fair. Sometimes
these projects only last if the person. They only go
somewhere because somebody's got some passion for it. So we'll

(01:31:55):
see thirteen away from seven into Brady UK correspondents with us.

Speaker 23 (01:31:58):
Hello Ender, Hey, are great to speak to you again.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Right, So Andy would beat Keir would he? That is the.

Speaker 23 (01:32:04):
Polling, the latest yug of poll out this morning on
this that if it comes down to a straight race
between Andy Burnham, currently Mayor of Manchester but shortly, I
would imagine heading to victory in the Northwest in that
constituency of Makerfield in this by election that's been created
for him to get back into Parliament. It would be
fifty nine percent of Labor members would vote for Burnham

(01:32:27):
and only thirty seven percent would stick with Kerr Starmer.
And then it gets even better for Burnham because if
it ends up being Burnham against Wes Streeting, the former
health Minister, it will be eighty percent against ten voting
for Streeting. So it's very much Andy Burnham's to lose.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
Have you seen the pictures of them jogging?

Speaker 23 (01:32:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
Do you know what?

Speaker 23 (01:32:48):
I love this? Anytime a politician has to show a
bit of energy, and I'm a runner myself. I love us,
even Boris Johnson, John, Boris john Everyone is a runner.
Everyone has it in them. And I don't want to
sound in any way kind of like a putting people
down for having a goal. But Boris Johnson even figured
out that. You know, but one thing I'd say to Burnham,
he actually had nice running kits and he looked good,

(01:33:08):
whereas like brace Johnson just fell into do you remember Boris?

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
As though there was that photograph we had on the
red beanie and then do you remember and he heard
the red Hawaiian shirt shoes shorts sorry, and then like
a blue rugby polo shirt and then like a green
tramping Like the whole thing was just honestly, he looked
like a homeless person.

Speaker 23 (01:33:29):
And they let him run the country. So yeah, it
is quite staggering. I mean you wouldn't you, honestly what
he lives near me here in Oxfordshire. You wouldn't let
I see him around. You wouldn't let the man run
a bath. Somehow he ended up running Britain.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Yeah, Like I'm just gonna pull you up though on
Andy's running kit because it's not that good. Like his
shorts are passable, that like really short edded at shorts
and I show he's got some hairy ass legs that
their hair goes all the way up. But then running
around in a football jersey's not cool? Is it.

Speaker 23 (01:33:57):
No, it's not no, no, no, we need to sort them out. Look,
I know Andy, I like him. He is a soccer fan.
He's an Everton fan in the English Premier League. He's
a very interesting man and he works extremely hard. But look,
I would imagine some spin doctor has said you need
to be out running because there's photographers out the front
waiting for you to leave, and it's probably whatever he
could get hold.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Of, yeah, and just look like an every day dead
and so he did. Now what's going on with these
high street shops that every kind of being used as
frances for gangs.

Speaker 23 (01:34:24):
Well, the police are getting an injection of funds from
government to tackle this. So we have a problem, and
it is bad. If you go to any town or
city in Britain, walk far enough, you will see these
vape shops. You will see American and I hate to
use the word candy, but American candy stores. And you
will see all these barbershops in the most strange places.

(01:34:45):
And I've noticed because I saw this one barber shop
and I never saw anyone go into it for hours
and hours and hours on end. So I thought, you
know what, I'm going to go get a haircut, and
sure enough, they wouldn't let you pay by card. It's
all cash only. So it all adds up and the
governm and it's taken a long time for them to
see the strength of organized crime in Britain. So there's

(01:35:06):
going to be sixty million dollars put into this National
Crime Agency will be boosted. That's basically Britain's answer to
the FBI. More police officers on the street and they're
going to crack down in regions like Greater Manchester, the
West Midlands, Essex and Kent. But these are criminal enterprises,
organized crime, and the government reckons that about two billion

(01:35:26):
dollars of criminal cashier year is laundered through these high
street dodgy shops.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
It's quite significant. Hey, I'm how cute were the pictures
of Charles and Biggs?

Speaker 23 (01:35:36):
Yes, yeah, the bromance continues between the King and Sir
David Beckham. Alan Titchmarsh getting a look in there as well.
At Chelsea Flower Show. My wife and my mother in
law have gone to it today it's open to the public.
Yesterday was the kind of VIPs and royalty And what
really made me laugh was I didn't know this, but
they ban nomes garden. Nomes are not allowed at Chelsea

(01:35:58):
Flower Show, but for the King and Beckham and Titchmarsh,
they a couple of weeks ago were asked to paint
a gnome of themselves and they posed for pictures and
the gnomes were on display yesterday, so there you go. Yeah,
well it's a little bit of an unusual one. The
King apparently is a fan of nolms and he moves
them around his allotment in High Grove in Gloucestershire.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
That's such a weird thing to do, and thank you
Da Brady, UK correspondent. There was a time when I
worked at TV and zed and I laughed at a
story about family. Actually, incidentally I was hosting seven sharp. Well,
I wasn't hosting. I was filling in for Tony Street
on seven sharp and sitting next to me on the

(01:36:42):
couch was Mike Costking because it was his show and
I was filling in with him. And there was a story. Yeah,
me and Mike go way back, and there was a
story about a couple who collected gnomes and it was
very funny because they were really upset about the gnomes
being nicked, like disportionunately upset and I laughed at it,
and Mike said, you're in trouble afterwards off air, and

(01:37:02):
sure enough, there were so many complaints and the people
at TVNZ don't take a joke, like it is the
least funny place to work in the world, honestly, apart
from a radio New Zealand. They everything is so serious
all the time. You cracked the joke about narrawaha, Well,
don't do that. So I got in a lot of
trouble for laughing the gnomes. So I've got I'm triggered.

(01:37:24):
I'm always weary. I'm wary about commenting on gnomes. But
can somebody explain to me why you have a gnome
in the garden? Like, why do you do that? Got
this beautiful flowers? You ruin it with like a porcelain,
A weird little porcelain guy, weird? Why why a gnome?
Why don't you give a picture of Santa stick an
elf there, fairy? Why don't you do that? Why a gnome?

(01:37:46):
Seven away from seven?

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
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Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
Now, speaking of getting in trouble for all of the crap,
that I I give gen zs, and you know I do.
By the way, it's five to seven. All the crap
I give gen zs. I think they're on to something
with the Jomo thing. Do you know jomo is it's
joy of missing out. This is a column that's been
written about it. It's not laziness, it's not antisocial behavior.
It is a deliberate, considered choice to opt out of
the relentless performance of being seen to be out there

(01:38:20):
and opt into something that actually feels good, prioritizing quiet
over noise, genuine friendships over obligation, preach gen zs, and
realizing that being a little unreachable is more of a
stat of symbol than always being available. The numbers back
it up. According to a recent report, people who embrace
Jomo report thirty two percent lowest stress levels on average
and sleep forty five minutes longer each night than those

(01:38:42):
caught in fomo loops fear of missing out. Expedia's twenty
twenty five travel Trends research found that sixty two percent
of travelers so that say slow Jomo style holidays reduce
stress and anxiety, and nearly half say it deepens their
relationship with loved ones. How good is that? Gen zs
don't do a lot of things right, Like, there's a
lot of things they are doing wrong, but they've that
nailed us. The rest of us are way too busy

(01:39:04):
trying to people please that they don't care. They're selfish.
They're so selfish it's actually working for them. Hence, okay, Boomer,
Oh sorry, I don't know why I push it.

Speaker 6 (01:39:12):
I don't know how that happened.

Speaker 9 (01:39:13):
Yeah, turn back time by Aqua to play us out tonight.
Aqua have split up for the third time. This is
the Danish pop band who are probably most famous for
the song Barbie Girl, came out in the nineties. Yeah,
so they actually split up very shortly after that, in
two thousand, but they were like, oh, okay, we'll get
back together in I want to say two thousand and eight,
and then they split up again and then they got

(01:39:33):
back together, but it was just the three of them
I think only did one album and that whole period
with the second two ones. But yeah, so the three
of them who had got back together, they're now splitting
up again, which is very sad. But considering that they've
now split up three times, I'm sure they'll be back
together again soon, so it's fine.

Speaker 7 (01:39:48):
Anyway.

Speaker 9 (01:39:48):
I'm not playing Barbie Girl. I'm playing turn back time
because people often forget that Aqua had like a ton
of hits over here, and this is one of them.
And I bet heaps of people don't even know this
is whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
Come it up. Let's see if we know it.

Speaker 9 (01:40:07):
I remember this, yeah, but people would not have a
clue that it's the same lot who did Barbie Girl.

Speaker 7 (01:40:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
I still remember the day that my friend Emma goes
downstairs at Barry's book works, actually came back, came to
school and said, have you heard the song Barbie Gill?
And I said, no way, no one's ever written a
song called Barbie Gill. And all these years later, I
still think that right. Thank you answered you last from
the past. See you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
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