Full Show Podcast: 20 April 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try the truck to
ask the question, get the answers, find a fag sack
and give the analysis. Heather duplicy Ellen Drive with One
New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hey, good afternoon to you. Welcome to the show coming
up today. Met Service is going to be with us
after five o'clock to explain how hard it is for
them to do their job. Education Minister Erica Stanford on
fuel relief package for schools that she's just announced and
a really cool thing at Auckland Transport is doing with
buses that I'll have to.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Explain to you, Heather duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Right, Obviously, what everybody in politics is talking about today
is what's going to happen at the National Party caucus
meeting in Wellington tomorrow morning. Read the Prime Minister's ongoing
leadership of the National Party. Now I can't call it.
I cannot tell you what's going to happen. On the
one hand, the Prime Minister is under more pressure than
he was before the weekend because of the One News
variant poll last night. Usually that thing is quite generous

(01:00):
to the National Party. It overestimates the National Party to
a degree. But last night not only did it put
the National Party at twenty nine point seven, it also
predicted a change of government, which means this becomes not
just a backbench as losing their seats problem, but a
minister's losing their jobs problem. But on the other hand,
Luxon has managed to get himself through a tough round

(01:20):
of media interviews this morning with grit and steel and confidence,
and his chief trouble maker Chris Bishop, has now ruled
himself out of the leadership in that Q and a
interview yesterday, which surely means that the move against the
Prime Minister has lost some momentum. There has been a
lot of poo pooing of the polls, which I frankly
just do not buy into. I have not seen any

(01:41):
evidence that we have the kinds of polling trouble here
in New Zealand that they've had in the UK, the
US or Australia where they call call for one side
and then the other side take so it basically comes through. Largely,
we don't have that problem because as we run MMP,
they run first past the post systems. Now that actually
matters because just a little bit of inaccuracy in those countries,

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polling can mean quite a big surprise if a bunch
of marginal seats fall in the way that you weren't expecting.
We do not have that here. Our mistakes in the
polling and marginal seats get smoothed out by the party vote. Also,
National is now sitting at twenty nine point seven or
thereabouts in four poles in a row, and there was
another one about six weeks ago that started the saw off.
That means that what you're seeing last night is not

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a rogue, it is a trend. Choosing not to believe
the poles feels like the last refuge of those who
are in our hundred percent denial of what is going
on here. But ultimately it's not really up to us
as It's not up to us as voters, it's not
up to us as commentators. It's up to caucus, the
National Party caucus. If the Prime Minister can get himself
through tomorrow and then whether whatever happens over the seven

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days after that, and then get him through herself through
caucus Tuesday week, So he's got two caucuses to get through.
If he can get himself through those two caucuses, he
will most likely survive until at least well after the budget.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Ever due for see Ellen's.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Nineteen nineteen of the text numbers. Standard text fees apply.
We have got very sober with us obviously quarters the five,
so we'll have a chat to him about it then
see what he is calling now. Major flooding across the
North Island over the weekend has caught many officials off guard.
Wellington right now was in a state of emergency after
a fortnight of rain fell in an hour. In the
rue Pea Who district, the town of or Houda was

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placed under a state of emergency at three am on Sunday,
with flash flooding forcing people from their homes. This came
despite little to no official warning about how severe the
deluge would be. The mayor of the rue Pea Who
district is Western Curtain. Who is with us right now?

Speaker 4 (03:41):
High Western afternoon?

Speaker 5 (03:44):
Neither mate?

Speaker 2 (03:44):
How's your district? Is it all right?

Speaker 6 (03:46):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (03:46):
We're reeling. It's a sad situation, of course. Some of
the people that are affected by the floodwaters heather in
disarray and we're trying our best to deal with the
wealthare issues and doing a mop up as we speak,
and so to or we'll be having a public meeting
to address most of those issues.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Okay, you would you say whether wise you're through the
worst of it.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yes, I'd say so, even though the waters are still swollen.
So we have any rain on top of what we've got,
it could cause more problems, particularly the areas where they're
vulnerable no stop banks, for example, they're pretty exposed. That
community about one hundred to one hundred and fifty people
affected by the flooding, and the Whoa has a history
of flooding, of course, but all we can do is
hope that we don't get to repeat of what we

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had on the weekend.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Okay, so what happened? Was there no warning that this
is about to happen to you?

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Well, there was obviously warning of heavy rain warning as
a general view view from the met surface point of view,
they are saying that in our district we're going to
have heavy rain warning. However, so when it comes to
your isolated areas like Whoa and others, sometimes you don't
know and you can't model exactly where it's going to
hit the most. And I would suggest that the systems

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that we have in place is not adequate for us
to actually some of the issues that are created by
the flooding. So we need to upspect some of the
radar systems, if not the senses that trigger alarms, and
I would suggest that we need to do a lot
of work in that area.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Okay, I can see that we've got two different players
here that we need to talk about, one obviously being
your regional council, and then one being what's going on
with the weather forecasting. Let's just deal with the weather
forecasting quickly. What you guys saw come down, did that
reflect what had been forecast?

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Absolutely not what we did know that it was coming
heavy rainfall. But we need to have it. As I
said earlier, we need to know what areas are going
to be affected the most, and so we don't have
that modeling or we don't have that information to react earlier.
And so having a declaration three o'clock in the morning
is not fun. And having people were chest high trying

(05:52):
to take babies out of the affected areas just not
good enough. We need to have at least five or
six hours notice that the water z oa need to
be creeping up.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
On them in the rivers near I feel like we've
crossed into the second thing. So let's you deal with
the forecast and the forecast. What came down was heavier
than what was forecast.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Absolutely, yes, the model I'm not sure the detail, but
we do get one hundred mills easily in that location
that was not modeled and it wasn't predicted.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Okay, what was predicted? What did they tell you?

Speaker 4 (06:22):
At least about half of that? I mean, we did
get thirty mills in the area where I lived, for example,
and that was what was protected.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
So are you telling me, I just want to get
this right? So are you telling me that they predicted
fifty mills and you've got one hundred mills?

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yes, we got double. What you know, we've got double
pretty much double.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
That local that's the forecast problem. Second problem is what
your regional council then does. So what happened there? What
went wrong?

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Well?

Speaker 4 (06:43):
I think what went wrong is that the turning points
and some of these fridges, for example, have you know,
have rivers go by the community of Ahura, they didn't
signal that. In fact, there was at a level whereas
needed to be alarm bells and some.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Do the triggers not exist western or were they just
not working?

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Well, I think it could well be that they're working,
but it's not relaying back to the community or to
the regional district council.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
So the district council, the regional council is not not
aware of how high the river is until people are
calling in and going, hey, it's in my house and
having to save my baby.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
That's my understanding is that we had no prior warning
that this particular situation of Ahura and the Mangarua River
was not triggered to alarm bells, and that we didn't
know that we didn't have that advice that this is
now at a point where we need to evacuate.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
I mean, this is this is Hawk's bay Esk River
all over again, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Well it is. You know, they're very vulnerable where they are,
this particular community. And yes, you get a situation where
it doesn't hit one week and then next week it will.
But we need to have triggers, and we need to
have river levels that actually trigger trigger and also alarm
the local community in varioushape or form. But we didn't
have that information.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
You're going to You're going to have a chat to
them about it, find out what happened.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yes, so well we'll be having a debriefing. And there's
no point when you're in the midst of welfare issues
and there's no good doing that politex and tool. You know,
we get sorted, but the government needs to step up
with a radar system that actually accommodates our area, and
that's the deficiency. So we're already talking to central government
about that getting more better information. And I guess it's

(08:28):
a matter of getting the radars in place so that
netfield forecast can be more accurate. So that's a two
double eded sword. A. We need to have the tools.
B we need to have the information from these service
which is in this case met service mate.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Good luck with it, okay, and a best of luck
dealing with us, and we'll chat and catch up with
you again. See what happened Western Curtain? Who mayor so
I mean, should I tell you what hold fire? Because
the same thing has happened in Wellington as well. I've
got to run you through just in terms of lack
of forecasting, but also needs to run you through what's
going on. Wellington's the standby. We'll do the sport and
then I'll get you across that sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
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Speaker 7 (09:12):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Erica Stamford, the Education Minister has just announced a fuel
relief package for schools. I get you across. This is
at the post cabinet press conference. I'll get you across
those details and then we're going to talk to her.
Just after five o'clock, it's nineteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Sport with Generate celebrating great performances in sport and Key
we Saver against Jason Pine.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Sports talkhoster is with us. Hello Piney, Hello Heather. All right,
So are the Chiefs now the favorites?

Speaker 8 (09:35):
I think they are marginally after they went over the
Hurricanes the other night. It was only one game, of course,
I think these two are demonstrably the best two sides
in Super rugby. You look at who's in the chasing pack,
and they've all kind of stumbled and had their their
ups and downs the season, where the Chiefs and the
Hurricane seem to be immune to all of that apart
from when they play one another. So yeah, look, I

(09:57):
think the golden point or super point aspect. Dovid on
Saturday night. Gave us a bit of drama and you know,
the bounce of the ball. If things go slightly different,
maybe the Hurricanes win that game. But I would fully
expect these two to meet in the final. It's a
long way away, I know, but as I say, they
seem like the best two sides. Maybe it's advantage Chiefs

(10:17):
after their win on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Okay, so do you believe Auckland f C was wronged?

Speaker 8 (10:22):
It's a really interesting question. This is around the red
card that wasn't given to James Donnahey, the Central Coast
baroness defended yesterday when he appeared to deliberately stamp on
the back of Sam Cosgrove, the Auckland f C striker
who was lying prone on the ground at the time. Afterwards,
Danny Hay, who was standing at his head coach for
Auckland f C, was absolutely adamant. Would not be convinced

(10:42):
otherwise that wasn't a red card, he said, look at
absolutely a red card every day of the week, any
football game anywhere in the world, even when it's far
as to say that that he thinks that if it
had been the other way around, Auckland f C would
have been given a red card, which is getting quite
dangerously close to conspiracy theories and stuff, but nonetheless it
should have been a red card. Even Central Coast Mariners
coach said, look, we were a bit lucky it didn't.

(11:05):
You know, it doesn't change the result though Auckland f
C losing one NILT, they relinquished the Premier's plate. They
now need to win next week to ensure that they're
in the top two. So hopefully they can pick themselves up,
dust themselves off and go deep into the finals again.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Okay, now tell me what is happening with the crowds.
Is this season lost a bit of the luster of
last season.

Speaker 8 (11:24):
I think there's always that sort of you know, newness,
isn't there around a new team coming in, and last
year was was that it was this bright, shiny thing
that Auckland FC. You know, they arrived and everybody wanted
to be there. They've still had good crowds comparatively to
other A League teams this season. There were fourteen thousand
there yesterday and you know we had a fifteen minute
delay for lightning strikes for goodness sake. Yeah, not quite

(11:45):
the same buzz in the second season second album is
always a bit harder though, Heather, as you know.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
So yeah football player, this is the second album.

Speaker 8 (11:55):
The second album is always harder, you know.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Fair enough Back to my singing career and Piney thank
you as always. It's lovely to chat, yeah mate. Jason
Pine's Sports for Coast will be back at seven this evening.
Hither It's simple. If Luxem puts an end to big
government and stealth co governance, then he will win the election.
Are that's the old and what Herman is referring to
as the old say you're going to do something at
the election and then actually do it so your polls

(12:20):
don't slip. I see the logic for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather do for
Clan drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one
else news talks.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
They'd be over in Australia apparently it's going to take
that Geelong refinery about a few weeks apparently to get
to get back to capacity, and even then it's only
ninety percent. Oliver Peterson will talk us through it when
he's with us shortly. Jeez, Heather, the met Service can't
win with you last week they overpredicted them. Today they underpredicted. Hmmm.
I mean, I suppose if they just got it right,

(12:54):
bold call, bold call, that you would ask somebody who
gets paid to do their job to do it properly.

Speaker 7 (13:01):
I know.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Anyway, here we go, run you through the details. Now,
this is no laughing matter. Wellington is getting smashed at
the minute. Red heavy rain warnings have been issued for
Wellington and the Wired Upper. It's a state of emergency
in the Wellington region now because, as I said earlier,
a fortnight of rain, a fort night of rain came
down in one hour. Streets and homes have been flooded.
Go look at the pictures. You just got cars that

(13:23):
have just washed down the road. It's just a complete shamozzle.
Mount Vac Tunnel was temporarily closed. A guy is missing
in Karori. Search and rescue has been launched. Andrew Little,
the mayor of Wellington, said, we got no warnings. I
wasn't aware of any communications apart from the usual weather forecast.
Now I feel terrible for them because in Auckland, this

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is what happened to us three years ago. Do you
remember that Auckland Anniversary weekend? Everybody was just doing their jobs,
came out of their pubs, came out of their work.
All of a sudden, everything's underwater. Just happened, just like that,
same thing's just happened to Wellington. We've got a bunch
of cases now of things being so it's it happened
to Auckland. It's as you happened to Aukland a couple
of times in the last three years where it has

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been flooding when we didn't expect it, as happened to
a pair who over the weekend. It's now happened to
Wellington over the weekend. And contrast that with last weekend
where we were told all guys, you know, you need
to get your grab bags, be prepared to evacuate, get ready,
like the cyclone has come. And then it was a breeze,
and then this weekend we're all like, it's gonna be
a great weekend. How hard is it actually to do?

(14:29):
Like I know, I know, predicting the weather in New
Zealand is bloody hard. Like it is the hardest. He
talked to Dan Colbert of TV and Z it is
the hardest place to predict the weather in the whole world,
which is why he's here because he wants to challenge.
But surely, to God, you can get it a bit
better than that, like a bit of a like I
don't mind a margin of era of plus three or monastery,
do you know what I mean? But completely ballsing it

(14:50):
up and just predicting the wrong thing. We wouldn't stand
for it with the Poles. Why would we stand for
it with the met Service? Anyway, We're going to talk
to the met Service. Heather Keats is coming on, so
it's gonna be fun out. Hello Heather, Hello, Hee. That's
going to happen after five o'clock the inflation number. Listen tomorrow.
This is casting forward by twenty four hours. Are going
to get the inflation number tomorrow morning. It will give
us a false sense of security because it's going to

(15:11):
be okay, might even go down a bit because it's
for January, February and March. January and February that's two
months worth of no drama in the world, and then
March is it complete balls up. So for the most part,
it doesn't cover the fuel crisis, so it's not going
to show us what is happening to us at the moment,
which is that petrol is up now thirty three percent
and diesels up one hundred and three percent in price.

(15:32):
We have to wait this inflation number. Take it, look
at it, yay, put it away. It's the next one
that matters. News is next.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
The day's newspakers.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Talk to Heather first, Heather Duplicy, Ellen drive with One
New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile News talks
d B.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
On the West Coast. We have the flood warning system
on our farm. It only pings off information every hour.
Basically it's too slow. So this is what really happens.
When it looks like it's all going to hit the fan.
They just ring me and I give them live, actual updates.
I can see what the monitoring system can't and I
can see it in real time. Ben, thanks for that.
It adds a lot to it. Actually, Eric Stanford's package,
so what she's announced is thirty seven million dollars which

(16:20):
is going to go to small, rural and isolated schools
about seventy schools in total to help them basically with
the cost of fuel at the moment. So it's going
to do things like accelerate work to replace diesel boilers,
also temporary increase to relief teacher transport allowance mileage rates,
so that will go for cars it'll go from thirty

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cents to eighty three cents per k, and for motorbikes
it will go from fifteen cents to thirty one cents
per k. And it'll last for twelve months or until
the fuel price is ease to blow three dollars per
liter for full consecutive weeks. She's with us after five.
It's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
It's the World wires on news dogs. They'd be dry.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Iran has tried to sneak a cargo ship through America's blockade.
It went about as well as you could imagine. Here's
the warning the Americans gave before they started shooting.

Speaker 9 (17:09):
Moda modo veselka, vakate your engineering, vacate your engineering.

Speaker 10 (17:15):
We're prepared to subject you to the assembling fire.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
No big explosions or drama. They didn't think that. They
only seized it. The Pope is trying to mend relations
with Donald Trump. Here's what he had to say about
their recent back and forth.

Speaker 11 (17:27):
The talk that I gave at the prayer Meeting for
Peace a couple of days ago was prepared two weeks ago,
well before the President ever commented on myself and on
the message of peace that I am promoting, and yet
it was looked at as if I was trying to
debate again the President, which is not my interest at all.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
At least that's one attempt at making peace. Haven't seen
much of that around today. And finally, six time PGA
tool when a Max Homer has been has been tripped
by his own words. After fellow golf pro Sergio Garcia
slammed his driver against the grass and broke at Max
called Garcia spoilt. Well, he mucked up a shot and
responded by hurling his club through the air, So I

(18:08):
guess he's probably also spoiled.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Oliver Peterson a B Seed Drive Radio Drive presenters with us.

Speaker 5 (18:20):
Hello, Ali, had Saturday night here in Western Australia, zach
Limax crosses for a try The Crusaders up nineteen nil
lose to the Western Force.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
How good is Rugby Union?

Speaker 2 (18:31):
And then did you watch the Warriors? The what oh whatever?
You can have listen, I'll tell you what direct Swappercale.
Take the NRL like the whole NRL. You can have
the Super Rugby Is that fair?

Speaker 5 (18:44):
Yeah? See by Rugby League teams the Dragons and they
just sacked the coach today. They've lost, you know, every
game this year in threat in the last year. So
that's why I'm getting on the Western.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Ye ye, no, I can understand. I totally hear you. Now,
how long is it going to take? How many weeks
are we talking about to get Gelong gooing?

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Well, they won't give us an exact answer. They're just
saying weeks so weeks, which is which is better than
what was anticipated to get it back to about ninety
percent capacity. The Viva Energy has made that announcement today
that it's basically been confined to one area where you're
trying to convert petrol into that particular product. I think
ninety percent of petrol though still being able to be created,
sixty percent of diesel, a little less of jet fuel,

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so it's not as bad as it could have been.
You've already seen that the price of fuel here come
down in Australia unleaded petrol from two dollars fifty at
the heart of the crisis to a dollar ninety. The
Treasurer A Jim Charmers the day though, flagging that that
twenty six cent excise cut could be extended after the
three month expiry. So we're certainly not out of the woods,
but there's just a little more optimism that what's happening

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there in Gelong it could be back up and firing
fully in a matter of weeks, not even months.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Okay, And so you guys are going to go for
oil and gas projects, are you?

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (19:51):
Here in w AGAs. Taylor's making his first visit as
the Opposition leader to Perth today and he wants to
fast track these planned approvals for oil and gas projects
because it currently goes through the Environmental Protection Agency. These
things that they can be held up for four to
six years and that's obviously holding back investment and confidence
here in the Australian market. You need to simplify process

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and there's lots of state laws, there's lots of federal laws.
He is promising, should he become the Prime Minister, to
just simplify the process so that you can get a
definitive answer ivery yes or no. Obviously, environmental groups are
not happy about that they say that she's going to
ran through projects. He's indicated you need to give that
confidence to businesses who want to spend their hard earned
in the West Australian mining industry.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
What's the Labor government's position on it?

Speaker 5 (20:35):
So they have also indicated about cutting red tape and
green tape, but the Labor government is keen to make
sure that the environment is not compromise as a result
of any particular changes that may be made. That the
process has long been an issue. It's nothing new, and
it just seems to have become layer upon layer. But
I think that's in any business environment at the moment,

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isn't headed regardless of where you're trying to do that
around the world at the moment a little more difficult
than it probably used to be. Can we get back
to some sort of streamline process.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Well that's the multi billion dollar question, Quice.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
It is now what are the changes to super We
don't know yet, but the Treasure is going to announce
to the next couple of days changes to the performance tests,
which is a little bit technical, but basically it is
to hold some of these superannuation providers to account for
not giving you bang for your buck, if you pardon
the pun. Now, the government provides advice to our superannuation

(21:30):
funds in Australia, and for example, at the moment it
has indicated that you should be investing or to the
super funds that if they want to sort of help
and contribute into affordable housing and energy transition, then.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
That's a good thing to do.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
But they don't tell you what you need to do.
So Treasurer of Jim Chalmer's again a little tight lift,
but he says that in days, if not weeks, they'll
be making some announcements about the performance test of these
superannuation accounts. Obviously global shocks to the economy at the
moment that we're all experiencing. I don't think there's too
much the superannuation accounts can do on our behalf. But
it will be interesting to see where the or not
the government decides to continue to dictate to superannuation providers

(22:04):
about where they need to be investing their money.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
All right, Ollie, look after yourself, Best of luck with
your your rugby competition. Oliver Peterson ABC Perth Drive presenter
nineteen away from five.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Ever duper Cela.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah, I don't know. He was just talking about the
Super I don't know if you've opened up your Super
account lately. It's tomoralizing. I looked at it and thought, wow, wow,
maybe I should be in conservative after all that.

Speaker 12 (22:28):
This definitely does not constitute financial advice.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
It's not financial advice, but all the people we talk
to on the show say, don't go changing things just
because Trump's wrecking the world at the moment. Stay hold
your line if you possibly can. Anyway, I'm glad that
Oliver Peterson raised the rugby because I went to the
rugby on Friday night, right, and then I watched the
Warriors on Saturday. And after that a couple of newspaper

(22:53):
articles really caught my attention because they compared rugby with
rugby league and the very thing that I don't know why,
but I I only really noticed it for some reason.
It really just it was just quite striking this weekend.
So the Sunday Star Times ran a story how the
once were Auckland Warriors became embraced throughout Altsa at all,
and it basically pointed out how much hype there is
around the Warriors and tells the story of how the

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Warriors quite deliberately targeted young kids, sort of sixteen seventeen,
eighteen year olds coming out I think about twenty twenty three,
and realized that if they could get them on as
rusted on fans, it would really help the Hurricanes. Says
this particular story. The Hurricanes currently lead Super Rugby Pacific,
but they could only draw thirteen thousand fans for their
top of the table game against the Blues and Wellington

(23:35):
last weekend. That was Sunday. Since this morning I opened
the papers and I'm reading in the Herald Super Rugby
Pacific has some real issues, while the NRL Thrives editorial,
which again points out how much hype the Warriors has,
big crowds, excitement every weekend, a Grand final that rivals
any in the sports world, and expansion, the latest team
being the Redcliffe Dolphins in Queensland. Now what caught my eye,

(23:56):
why those stories caught my eye was because I was
at when I was at at the Blues, I looked
around the stadium and and halftime because the're raving about
Drags Project the other day, right, I love Drags Projects.
So Drags Project came out and did the halftime show,
and they, like even Park really put on a show.
They had fizzy things. They had the sparklers coming out
of the guy's saxophone and the lights going. It was
all very cool. And I looked around and I thought, geez,

(24:18):
but there's still this like a pitiful how many people
are here? And then I turn on the Warriors and
the thing is full and it's ampering and it's hyped
and there's all this, and I I have I've run
out of ideas. Eden Park is trying so bloody hard,
Rugby is trying so hard with the entertainment around it.
Why why are we not going to them? Why aren't

(24:38):
we going to Super Rugby If it's kind of the
same kind of experience now as Nral, why aren't we
going I'd love somebody to answer this question.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
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Speaker 2 (24:52):
I've got a bunch of suggestions about what's going wrong
with the Super Rugby. We'll get to it shortly. Thirteen
away from five and Barries Soper, Senior Political Correspondence with US. Hello, Barry,
good afternoon, Heather Right, Okay, Prime Minister is holding the
post cabinet press conferences. You've been asked about what's going
to happen at caucus tomorrow just.

Speaker 13 (25:08):
I think just as I was leaving.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Okay, So the first conference has gone.

Speaker 13 (25:12):
On and on for a long time. It started at
four o'clock and really he's standing alongside him as Erica Stanford,
the Ministry of Education, and they're talking about a rural
package for New Zealand for teachers and the like that
have to go to schools. They're getting a larger amount
in their mileage allowance. So there's money being handed out

(25:36):
to keep our rural schools open. And I've got to say,
you know, watching Chris Luxon at the podium, totally confident.
He was asked about the Verian poll, which of course
wasn't good for National last night. The worst thing about
the Pole really for National at the moment is that
Center Right Block Act in New Zealand. Third, they wouldn't

(26:00):
get the numbers to form a government. Now that will
be his biggest worry.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
And so to take into account the six Marty Party seats,
which is a fair point to criticize it.

Speaker 13 (26:09):
You've got to because they're not going to get anywhere
near is I mean, they haven't even got six Maori
seats at the moment because you've got Takuta Ferrets in
the South Island. He's an independent now, so they don't
hold even all the seats and they're not likely, i think,
to be treated well by the electorate, so there possibly

(26:32):
won't be the overhang we see at the moment. We've
got one hundred and twenty three MPs so and they've
counted this as one hundred and twenty four MPs with
the way the Maori Party is factored in, So you
know it's not good for National no doubt about it.
And I think the point that I've watched Chrystopher Luxen

(26:53):
all day in interviews, you know he's made the point
that the National Party has to do better. If they
don't do of course you've got the power of New
Zealand First coming in behind them and act, but New
Zealand First in particular because that's where the popularity has
gone from the National Party to Winston Peters.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
So can you call it what happens tomorrow? Is there
a motion of no confidence? Is there emotion of confidence?
What is it?

Speaker 5 (27:18):
No?

Speaker 13 (27:18):
There won't be a motion of no confidence?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Will there be? Will the Prime minister? Because the Prime
Minister could actually flush this out if he goes in
and he says, right, all of your people who are
stirring shit here, I'm calling a motion of confidence in
myself right now to clear this. I've got a majority
and he could do it. Will he do it? He
could do Will he do it?

Speaker 13 (27:36):
But I'll tell you what, Well, you never know. But
the thing is that I know that the Riot Act
is going to be read about discipline in the National
Party because you know, various media outlets have said they've
been talking to three disgruntled MPs. Well, you know, when
you've got a caucus approaching fifty MPs and most of them,

(28:02):
of course, are outside of cabinet by far the majority
are outside of cabinet. If the polling goes on, of
course they're going to be losing their jobs. But I
would say to anyone that's thinking like that, your job
is not as important as the job you do for
the country. So the country should be put first, not

(28:26):
your own selfish belief that you should be in parliament. So,
and that's the problem with these sorts of question.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
You do not say exactly the same thing to the
Prime Minister.

Speaker 13 (28:36):
Well, the other thing is that the difficulty for the
prime minister is and I've seen so many people being rolled,
not in the prime minister's job, but as leader. Of course,
all caucus members are going to say to their leader,
I support you, and you know I'm certainly supporting you
because it's a secret vote if there is, if it

(28:57):
is put to the vote, then those who go or
write on their sheet it's a private confidential will never
be revealed.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Okay, so let me put this to UK what's going
to happen tomorrow at caucuses. I don't know what's going
to happen, but I can I'm almost certain he's not
going to call emotion of confidence in him because what
I'm hearing is if he did, he could lose it,
and it sounds like he will lose it, so that
means he can't flush it out, which means that this
carry on carries on.

Speaker 13 (29:25):
I don't think he would lose.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
They're steering at each other down now.

Speaker 13 (29:27):
I don't think there's the numbers there to depose Chris Lusen.
And like I've always said from the beginning, I have
never seen a person come into the prime minister's job
and has been treated the way that Chris Lusen has
been treated. You know, he's seen as this rich fat
cat and not having the same concern for the country

(29:50):
as maybe some others, Like if we believe the polls
the likes of Chris Hipkins.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
So if you believe he's got the numbers, why wouldn't
he call a motion of confidence? And why should I?

Speaker 13 (30:01):
Why should he?

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Because it flushes it out, it puts it to read.

Speaker 13 (30:04):
Yeah, well, I guess the Riot Act I know for
a fact will be read in the caucus tomorrow, no
doubt about that. And people will be told you've seen
what a just unified party that national has been the past,
shopping and changing leaders. They should not go there, go
there again. That's what they will be told. And it's

(30:26):
important to show some unity, particularly when you're just over
six months out from an election.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Okay, Barry, thank you very much. Appreciate it, Barry. So
for senior political correspondent Erica Stanford, senior ministers with us
after five seven away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
The headlines and the hard questions, it's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Prime Minister's with us party. More than three in your
party that are probably.

Speaker 14 (30:47):
There's probably five people that aren't frustrated. I'm just saying
of people that I could think could possibly be talking
to media. I want all of those MPs and my
caucus return to Parliament and they all have something to.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Offer New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
First, Winston Peter's is with us If lux and quit,
is that the end of the coalition deals?

Speaker 4 (31:03):
If they're for medical reasons, for family READSA med quit,
you have to ship that.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah, but what about stabbing in the back reasons?

Speaker 15 (31:09):
Well, he's not quitting.

Speaker 9 (31:10):
Is he's been fascinated?

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (31:13):
Yes, but if he gets assassinated, do you pull the
pen on the coalition.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
We've got a big enough shoulder than rot about whose
temporary le The.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
National Party back tomorrow at six am the mic Hosking
Breakfast with Rain Drivers fort SV News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Not every day I say this, but Auckland Transport, this
is what I was going to tell you about. Auckland
Transport has got a really cool thing that it's trying
to do at the moment, which is it's trialing flexy
stops on buses at nights. So essentially how it works
is they're just trailing it on one bus route, which
is Bus Route eighteen, which runs between the city center
in Auckland and New Lynn and it's every day of

(31:47):
the week from seven o'clock until late and it's dark.
So what they're trialing is on the route that the
bus runs. When you jump on the bus, you get
on and you say, hey, I know your next stop
is X y Z, but can you drop me off halfway?
Can you drop me off at the blah blah whatever,
whatever the landmark is, whatever the street, if it's on
the route, they will be flexible and they will pull
over at a place that's closer to your house for

(32:08):
you for I'm assuming safety reasons. Maybe it's just for
patronage reasons, like if it's easy to get on the
bus and if the bus is more responsive, maybe you'll
catch the bus more. Anyway, we're gonna have a chs.
Such a cool idea, and not a lot of cool
ideas come out of Auckland Transports. We have a chat
to them. Quarter pass right, Heather. The problem with rugby
is over the top refereeing and super it's killing it, Heather.

(32:31):
Rugby league is fast, there's no messing about a play.
The ball infringement occurs and a bell sounds and a
tackle count goes back to one line outs, so simple.
Hardly any kicking v Union have to play the ball
carry and none of this messing about clearing out a
ruck Union has lost its way. So it's simply is
the product on the field that's the problem. Heather Union
has complex rules, pedantic ref suffocating, rigorovs. I think so basically,

(32:54):
I think I am reaching this point as well, where
I have sort of made it. I've thought the problem
with the attendance at rugby union games is in part
the rugby rules. I think it's actually the biggest part.
I think rugby just sucks and NRL's just awesome to watch. Anyway,
I read Barry an email when he was in here.
That's somebody Chris has sent me which is just so

(33:16):
wide wildly rude, it's actually hilarious. He told me I
have to read it to you, so I'll do it
in the next hour. Met Service with us next.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duper clan drive with one New Zealand coverage like no
one else.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
New Sauk say.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Good afternoon, Mayor's and two regions hit by unexpectedly heavy
rains say they didn't get enough warning. Wellington is in
a state of emergency, a man is missing and cars
have been trashed in floodwaters. The mayor, Andrew Little, says
he got no warnings and in the Rue peer Who
district people were forced from their houses in the middle
of the night. The mayor said he needed better forecasting
from the Met Service. Here the keys is the head

(34:00):
of where the news at Met Service and is with us.
Hello Heather, Hi Heather, how's it going very well? Thank you? Now,
how did you guys get it so wrong?

Speaker 6 (34:08):
I don't think we did get it wrong. This is
just the nature of thunderstorms. So we had warnings in
place for the most affected regions over the weekend, so
that included Wellington, Potada, Carpet, Manowitu and Western Bay have plenty.
We had watches and warnings there for heavy rain. However,
the onset of the localized heavy downpolls and the thunderstorms

(34:29):
that caused the flooding often comes with limited warning, typically
an hour or less, because they developed so quickly. So
again it comes down to where those thunderstorms are actually
going to discharge all that water, and in this case,
it discharged in areas that could not cope with the
volume of water that they received.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
So the mayor of Rupeir who says what he had
forecast was fifty mils and what turned up was double it,
one hundred miles. Is that what happened.

Speaker 6 (34:55):
So that's what we get with these thunderstorms, these incredibly small,
a localized, but intense storms that form and you could
be forty kilometers up the road and have no rainfall
recorded at all, and then you could be underneath it
and then receive eighty millimeters in an hour. We're not
saying that it's warning them. Is just so difficult. It's challenging,

(35:19):
and thunderstorms are one of the ones that we are
unable to put out sufficient thunderstorm warnings until a thunderstorm
is detected.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
And so a thunderstorm is only detected an hour before
it happens.

Speaker 6 (35:31):
It can be even less than an hour. So what
happens is we put out say a watch right which
for a thunderstorm watch shows the areas where all the ingredients,
all that instability is there right for a thunderstorm to form. Unfortunately,
because of how small they are, we can't predict where
or when they're going to happen. So once we see
them on the radar detection network. In our radar system,

(35:53):
then we're able to put out what we call a
severe thunderstorm warning, and that can give you up to
an hour's notice. It can be less. It's those warnings
that show the projected path of that cell and the
timings with it, and then we review it. If the
thunderstorm dissipates, which quite often they do within an hour,
or it might intensify, then we reissue that to show
the new path. It's really difficult, and we understand the

(36:16):
frustration from councils and emergency management because it's not a
perfect system. But this is the nature of forecasting these
particular types of phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
You had a supercomputer, something something better than you have,
would that give you more of an advantage.

Speaker 6 (36:32):
No, we do have supercomputers. We use modeling. We use
several different models that are all generated from supercomputers. I
guess it's not fat, No, it's not. This is just
this is one of the handbrakes with modeling. But it's
not just a New Zealand issue. This is worldwide. We
see it all the times, especially in North America where
they get those super cells and you know those EAR four,

(36:52):
EAR five tornadoes, but they have the same struggles that
we do, which is forecasting a thunderstorm is so challenging.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Do you think that we're being unfair on you guys
when we look at what happened last weekend and we
were told this massive cyclone was coming, fear for your
life and prepare for being evacuating your house in Auckland,
nothing happened. And then the following weekend, no warning, and
all of a sudden, it's a complete shit storm.

Speaker 6 (37:15):
So two very different systems. So with Cyclone Vano, that
was a very well modeled system, which is why we
put out the watch so early because we had high
confidence and where that storm was going to go. To
be fair, Auckland was never under a red warning for
Cyclone Vanu and all of the warnings about impact to life,
threat to life, all of those hazards were focused on

(37:38):
the northeastern coastlines of New Zealand or the North Island
and they were hit hard and there was a real
threat to them. This is a completely different system, and
we think we've done well with the watches and warnings
for the more broad scale heavy rain. Again, it's just
the thunderstorms.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
They are so.

Speaker 6 (37:54):
Challenging, and the only tool we've got to help people
prepare is by issuing those things severe thunderstill warnings when
they happen.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Heather, You're wonderful to talk to you. Thank you made
appreciate it. Heather keats met service ahead of weather.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
News Heather duple cy Len.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Governments announced immediate relief for schools and the fuel crisis.
There we're money to replace diesel boilers and also an
increase in mileage rates for relief teachers. And the Education Minister,
Erica Stanford is with US high Erica. Hello, we're talking
about seventy schools here, are we that's.

Speaker 15 (38:24):
Sort of boilers. Yes, So the schools that still rely
in some way or completely on diesel to generate heat
in their schools. And some of those will be able
to fix pretty quickly in the last in the next
three to six months. About twenty of them a bolt
will be able to do next year, and there are
a few really big complicated schools are going to take
slightly longer. We'll have to change some of their piping

(38:49):
and power and bits and pieces, so that will take
slightly longer, but everything will be done by twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Okay, and then goodness, you're not planning for this fuel
crisis going on in twenty twenty eight, are you.

Speaker 15 (39:02):
No, But we have to replace these diesel boilers anyway,
And so we're just accelerating the work program. We want
to make sure the school sure that schools have confidence
that into the future, if there is continuing volatility, they
won't have to worry. And so it's just a work
program that we're accelerating. But more importantly, we heard from schools.
We actually went out and phoned and visited every single

(39:24):
school in the country to get a picture of what's
happening for them, and there were some scenes that emerged.
One of them was the boilers, but more importantly relief teachers.
So part of today's announcement was of course increasing their
mild traits for our relief teachers so that they actually
choose to go out to those rural and isolated school Well.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
I was going to ask you about that, is that
because they are not are they declining jobs.

Speaker 15 (39:44):
Well, they have the choice of where they work. If
you are a relief teacher and if it doesn't make
financial sense for you to go out and drive to
a rural school, then you may not choose to do that,
and we don't want that. For our rural and remote schools.
It's already difficult enough for them to get relievers, and
so that's why we're up to the rate for those teachers.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Now, what's going to happen at caucus tomorrow? Is there
going to be a vote?

Speaker 15 (40:08):
I've not heard anything like that model.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Okay, so, and there's obviously two different kinds of votes
that can happen. You can have a no confidence vote.
You haven't heard anything about that.

Speaker 15 (40:17):
No, not a thing, a second, nothing. Honestly, he absolutely nothing.
I have been hid down, tail up education reforms, the
fuel package, worrying about making sure kids are in schools.
No one is talking to me. I'm not talking to anyone.
I'm expecting tomorrow we actually talk about issues that matter
to New Zealand. Is it not ourselves?

Speaker 2 (40:39):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Is?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
The Prime Minister wrote When he says it's only five
disgruntled MPs.

Speaker 15 (40:44):
I wouldn't have a cloe. I'm not talking to them.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Do you think there needs to be a vote either
way to put this thing to bed once and for all,
So you guys have clear air through to November.

Speaker 15 (40:53):
But I know that the Prime Minister has the support
of his caucus.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
If he has the support of his caucus, he'll call
a confide.

Speaker 15 (41:01):
I don't think there's any reason for him.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
To to put it to bed.

Speaker 15 (41:05):
I don't think there's any reason.

Speaker 16 (41:07):
Okay, if if.

Speaker 15 (41:07):
Someone wanted to call a conference vote, they would have
done so by now. The fact is he has the
support of caucus. He certainly has my support. He has
the support of caucus, and there hasn't been any reason
for that to happen. And look, frankly, we are all
so focused on the current fuel situation and our own
portfolios and what matters to New Zealand is we don't
actually sit around talking about these things.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Okay, Erica, thank you for your time. Good luck is everything?
Erica Standford, Education Minister.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Together for see us so.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
At the Prime Minister's post cabinet press conference, he has
been asked about the comment he made to Mike this
morning that there were only five disgruntled MPs.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
Why you see, asked for a number and he suggested three,
and almost simultaneously you said five.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
You volunteered that number, So who are they guys?

Speaker 14 (41:49):
There's nothing in the number, per se I'm just saying
you made You wrote media report saying you had four sources,
and another one wrote they had another source. I just
thought there's three, four or five people. I'm just reacting
to your comments.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
In the media.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
You see how that happened. Four sources plus one four
plus one is five. It's a lot more than that.
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Speaker 3 (43:06):
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Speaker 2 (43:08):
Nineteen past five. I'll get to the texts on here
the keys from the met service shortly All Clan Transport
though I need to tell you about this. It's trialing
an idea that could make bus travel at night a
little bit safer and maybe even easier until September. If
you're catching bus eighteen between New Lynn and the city
after seven pm, you can ask the bus driver for
a flexi stop. Rachel Kara is the eighty Group Manager
of Public Transport Operations and with US Hi Rachel Hi Heather.

(43:32):
Now tell me if I've got this right. You can
if you jump on the bus at this you know,
bus eighteen seven o'clock at night thereafter, you can ask
them to stop as long as the stop is on
the route. Yes, what you.

Speaker 10 (43:42):
Can ask the driver to do is stop in between
the designated bus stops on the route.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Yeah, so as long as it's on the route and
you say it, you have to say it at the
start when you jump on right. You can't just randomly
sort of pipe up and go, there's my mate, stop
for me.

Speaker 10 (43:56):
Look, we'd like people to let the driver know as
they board the bus, keep the driver aware, and then
notify them closer to the Flexi stop that they want
to get off the bus at.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
What if the bus is choker and it's going to
be inconvenient to everybody else if you're making a thousand
different stops a long way. Is it contingent on how
many people are on the bus. No, it's not that.

Speaker 10 (44:14):
We certainly did look at capacity data before choosing the
route and on board this route eighteen it runs every
fifteen minutes and on average we have up to fifteen
passengers on board each bus, so we don't believe that
this will be an inconvenience to other customers on board.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
So, Rachel, what is this predominantly about. Is it about
safety because it's dark at night, or is it about
getting people making it easier for people to use the
bus and then getting the numbers up. It's both we
want to.

Speaker 10 (44:40):
Make public transport is easy for customers to use as possible,
and if getting them closer to their final destination and
that is in between bus stops and it's safe for
the bus to stop and allow a customer to exit,
then that's absolutely what we want to be enabling. And
it's also addressing that perception of safety, particularly in the
evening where people feel a bit more vulnerable moving about

(45:01):
our streets, and so it's helping to address and eliminate
that last league barrier for customers.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
What is going to decide it for you? Because it's
just a trial, So what is the indicator, what's the
metric that will make you go, yeah, we're going to
roll this out for everybody, Well, we want people to
use it.

Speaker 10 (45:18):
So far, we've had over one hundred passengers request a
Flexi stop and it's only been running for four weeks,
so we're really pleased with that level of feedback. We
want to hear from our drivers make sure that it's
easy for them to navigate and communicate with customers. So
look over the last four weeks, it's run smoothly. We've
had no negative feedback, no issues, presented for operators. So

(45:40):
we'll continue to monitor this for the next six months
and if it continues to be useful for customers and
they know that they see benefit in it, then it's
certainly something that will look to make permanent good stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Rachel, thanks very much, great idea. Rachel Kara at Group
Manager of Public Transport Operations. Right, we'll get to the
text on Heather shortly five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
The name you try to get the answers you need,
it's Heather, duplicl and drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else US talks.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
They'd be Heather.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
It already takes forever to get to a new Lin
on the number eighteen. It takes an our. Well it's
going to take a lot longer now everybody's going to
be stopping at their flexi stops, which I think is
a great idea. Five twenty five. Now, look, I don't
think Winston Peter's proposal to break up the supermarkets isn't
necessarily a good idea, but I'll tell you what. It's
a winning idea, isn't it. You know that we pay

(46:31):
too much for groceries in this country. I know we
pay too much for groceries, and we're frustrated. We've just
had two governments promised to fix the supermarkets and not
do it first just Into then Nicola. Neither of them
have done anything that have brought down the prices that
we're paying at the checkout. If anything, prices are about
to go up because of the Iran crisis. Now, I reckon,
with all of that frustration having built up over the

(46:51):
last six years, and with the food bills, we're about
to face. Winston Peter's idea of forcing food stuffs to
break into two companies, Pack and save on one side
and new Linen and force a new world in four
square on the other might actually appeal in a way
that it never has. I mean, it is crazy, get
that straight. It's crazy forced investment. It will freak out investors.
But I just wonder if Kiwi voters have got to

(47:13):
the stage right now and more so by November when
we vote, that they just don't care anymore. They need help.
Winston's going to do the same thing with electricity. By
the way, He's going to force the gentailers to break
up again. It's completely mental, but maybe it is an
idea mental or not whose idea, Whose time has come?
With voters who can't heat their houses anymore. After years
of governments promising to fix things and fixing absolutely nothing,

(47:34):
I think Kiwis are now desperate. I think they will
take a chance on something that might go horribly wrong
or might be brilliant. It's better than the nothing that's
been happening. So if you're looking at Winston, speaking of
the polls, you're looking at Winston and the polls, and
you see him sitting around ten percent, thirteen percent, fifteen percent,
wherever he's sitting, And if you're wondering how high he
can still go A lot higher with policies like this

(47:55):
as mental as they are, a lot higher ever do
for Sea Allen Heather Auckland, Auckland two weeks ago got
civil defense alarms on our phones FFS and Wellington didn't
here the why did my phone alert go off? Well
in Auckland then, which is about the question about well,
we were warned in Auckland that we're going to get
this like world ending storm and then nothing happened. It's

(48:15):
it's a fair question actually because it was like Heather
can play it down, but we were told it was
going to be just gnarally up here, weren't we? And
then Wellington gets nothing. I wonder if the answer to
this question is actually just the speed with which this
technology works. Like if the met service guys can see
something about an hour maybe forty five minutes, half an
hour away from happening, maybe what needs to happen is

(48:36):
that that information needs to be relayed quickly enough to
get an alert go off in your phone so that
you know the rain is coming down and flooding your
house before the rain is coming down and flooding your house.
Like I'd take a half an hour's warning over no warning?
What about you? And then never mind about the ones
where there's nothing that's actually gonna happen. They can just
save those up for us. Heather very good interview with
Heather well explained just goes to show what media skills

(49:00):
can do. Lux and take note, I didn't say that,
MJ said that. So I'm getting a lot of texts
like this, hither you are such a gossip and mischief maker.
Give it a break on the whole lux and rolling,
it's not becoming. Take a leaf out of Mike Oskin's book.
That's I think I shall not be doing that because Mike,
there's only one mic in the world. But nothing beats
the email I got from Chris, which I'll read before six.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
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Speaker 5 (49:41):
Duller.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Willis Finance ministers with us after six o'clock. And we've
also got the Huddle girls. We've got Tres Sherson and
Joseph ac Garney standing by twenty four away from six.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Now.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
There are calls for the government to get a riggle
on with its decisions on who's going to pay to
protect or move communities that are threatened by climate change hazards.
Advocates say we've got a hurry up. The severe weather
is not going to wait. And among them as the
Insurance Council Chief Executive Chris Path always with us high far.

Speaker 8 (50:05):
Hey, how are you good?

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Thanks mate? What's the decision that you want some certainty?

Speaker 9 (50:11):
I think councils want to do the work to protect
their communities. So unless some irma change is going through now,
so I think we'll get some certainty around that, but
really it's going to cost money. So where that's going
to come from and you know where the responsibility will
lie from that, we're very keen and I'm sure the
councils are keen to know that so we can get
a regular one.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
As you say, you now, it sounds like the decisions
have already been taken. They kind of know what to do.
The last thing that hasn't been decided is who pays
for it? Is that right?

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yeah? It is.

Speaker 9 (50:42):
I mean some of the detail and some of the
policy decisions still needs to be sorted, but the bulk
of their work is going to be building you know,
resiliences of flood flood protection into communities that are at
risk of flooding. It can make a big difference, even
small investments. So just how that's going to be funded,

(51:03):
I mean, you know, the government's given us some indications
that that's going to come from councils, but some certainty
as to you know, is that councils and what can
the councils do to raise that money given that they've
also got some pressures on them on rates, Just so
we can have some certainty about what the next five
or ten years looks like.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
I mean, you know how politics works, realistically, you're not
going to get an answer to the side of the election, right.

Speaker 9 (51:25):
We might not, but you know, we're here to put
some pressure on whoever's running for government this year to
maybe even take a bipartisan approach to say, you know,
so give certainty to our councils to do this work.
We're in mid April now. I think there's been a
weather event every couple of weeks. I'm not sure if
we can hear it, but the wind here and the
rain here in Wellington is pretty strong, and we've had

(51:48):
a pretty rough twenty four hours along with the likes
of the bio plenty in Funnoi and law Pahue. So
there's a lot of communities and councilors worried about you
know how, we're going to make sure that we can
stand up to some these weather events and make sure
that we are protected, and that really is crucial for
the availability of insurance in the future. That's where our
skin in the game is. If things get worse and

(52:11):
the likes of the events that were seeing are more
frequent and more severe, that becomes a problem for insurance.
Companies in terms of being able to cover the costs
of settlements and claims.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Listen, thanks very much for talking us, so I do
appreciate your time. Chris Fafoy, Insurance Council, Chief Executive. Here
the shout out to the firefighters because again they called
off their strike today to help the people that are
in need, which is a fair point. Thank you, Colin.
Twenty one away from six.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
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Speaker 2 (52:40):
Well us this evening we have Triush Shurson, Shurson, Willis
pr and Joseph Ghanny Child Fund Chief Executive. High Ladies. Hello, Okay, Trish,
do you have any idea what's going to happen in
Caucus tomorrow?

Speaker 17 (52:51):
I do not have any idea what's going to happen?

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Can you call it on your vibe tomorrow?

Speaker 17 (52:57):
Last week I went to the Helen Clark. Helen Clark
was an a NiCoT. I heard from the person who
went with you that it was wonderful. I tell you
what that I am absolutely not a live theater person,
but that was great and I think what I loved
about it is because I'm obviously a bit of a
political geek, and it really had a good look inside
a lot of the events we all know about, one

(53:17):
of which was the historic moment for Helen Clark as
a leader when her leadership vote was on two percent,
Labour's vote was on fourteen percent, and senior males in
her caucus went into her office late at night and
said Helen, basically, it's over. You're done. You know you
haven't got the support and we want you gone. Helen

(53:39):
looked at them and said, I will see you in
the caucus room in thirty minutes. You will move a
motion of no confidence and we'll see where we get to.
Thirty minutes later, the vote was held and she won.
She eyeballed them and stared them down and that was it.
That was the end of the rum.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
This is how you have to flush him out, so
luxe and if he believes that he can retain it
needs to call it tomorrow and put an end to it.

Speaker 17 (54:06):
So there's so there's two options. I was listening to
you and Barry earlier and this and this also came
to mind. So you would think, yes, you would steer
them down and you'd say once and for all, guys,
this is it. However, there is a there is another way.
It's a it's a slightly softer way, maybe more luxe in.
You go into caucus tomorrow and you say to them, guys,

(54:26):
you have put me on notice today. I am putting
you on notice. Either you stop the leaks and you
you back me, or we will have a vote. I'll
give you a week to test it out. And that's
the second option.

Speaker 16 (54:42):
So you're a little bit scared of you at the moment.

Speaker 17 (54:46):
Well, that that is that is actually the second option.
He can also put them on notice.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
I tell you that's a hairy week, trosh because then
that's a week where the White anting goes nuclear well and.

Speaker 17 (54:56):
Well it totally is away but but it totally. But
from everything I've heard from Luxon today, he is not
going to I don't think he's going to go in
and put a motion. I just I think if he
was going to do that, he would have done that
a few weeks ago. So what I'm trying to think
there is what is the second way here? And actually,
you know, national MPs also need to think through what

(55:17):
this is, what this is doing? Every week this goes
on they are also putting themselves at risk. So it's
not just Luxon. Okay, Okay, his performance hasn't been up
to snuff, But what they are doing now is putting
votes even more at risk, and.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
They're going to lose their seats anyway. That's why they're
doing it.

Speaker 16 (55:32):
So the other way of looking at that is exactly
that that you could say, right, you've got to move quickly.
The reason why he's going to survive tomorrow, Heather, is
that no one else has the name telling they cannot
they cannot coalesce around Chris Bishop, who they think is
a bit too lefty and I know you guys don't
like him because he did it intensified housing. And they
can't consolidate around Mitch because he's a little bit too

(55:54):
much like Luxon, And they can't consolidate around Eric Stanford
because she's seen as not ready. Right, So he'll be
safe tomorrow. The problem is it's not going away, right,
That chatter is not going away, and.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
What is he going to do?

Speaker 16 (56:07):
Exactly, So you could actually say the other alternative triush
is that one of them, you know, grows some ballsall
and spine, you know, shiver, shiver, looking for a spine
to grow up if they actually showed some courage and
said right, I'm going to go for it and I'm
going to get the numbers and I'm going to work in it.
At the moment, I think they're all too terrified to

(56:28):
actually trying to. And look, the big problem with Luxeen.
You know, I've said this before. I think he's got
the work ethic of a prime minister. I don't think
he has the character of the prime minister. And if
you're asking him, what is he going to do differently
from tomorrow? You could say, just be more yourself. Well
what of being yourself as someone who walks into a

(56:49):
room and the room doesn't go wild, It goes semi
domesticated at best. He just doesn't inspire people. He cannot
articulate a vision for New Zealand. So none of that
is going to change. Budget is going to be a
Bill Birch budget. It'll be hand safe hand on the tiller.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
No, Lollie's missionary.

Speaker 16 (57:06):
So what changes between now and the election? Actually, well,
thank you for putting that in my mind.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Now that's from it's the missionary budget, it's asary position budget.
What is the artwork for that being completely derailed here.

Speaker 17 (57:20):
But but also I think those are all great points, Josie.
I think you can trust. What I come back to
is what we always forget. So we're all talking about National.
What are voters thinking right now? They are thinking I
was already had question marks over National. I'm already looking
around and I'm seeing other people connect with me. Better
talk straight, even if it's even if it's yeah, if

(57:43):
it's if it's out there stuff. And that is National's
problem that voters look at this stuff and they go,
how can I trust you if you can't get your
ship to get.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Hold the thought, hold those thoughts because I'm not finished
with this, and we'll come back to this after the
Brak sixteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
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Speaker 2 (58:05):
Right, you're back with the huddle, Josephgani and tricious and right. So, Josie,
what needs to happen here? Because we've discussed the troublemakers
as being selfish, you know, is it not possible we
could flip it and we could say the Prime Minister's
continued ongoing determination to hold the role is also selfish,
and he may need to let go for the sake
of the party and there be a coronation. Don't you think.

Speaker 16 (58:26):
How low does it have to go? That's the question.
So the polling does it have to go to twenty nine,
twenty twenty eight, consistently, twenty seven, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
It's not far off the floor right took it to
about twenty four.

Speaker 16 (58:37):
So you know, if it get what is the point
that it has to get to? Where he does the
decent thing, takes it on the chin and says, I
am stepping aside. I've done my best, and then there
could be a coronation, so you don't get the disunity story.
And then you know, as we've talked in the break,
it see the betweens might Mitchell Mitchell, or it's between

(58:58):
someone like Chris Bishop, and my money would be Eric
Christafer Willis actually well you imagine I reckon a Chris Bishop.
Erica Stanford Combo would be the one that would appeal
to people, you know on this sort of center left
like me, as I know you guys, you know you
think they're mucked it up on the housing intensification in Auckland.

(59:19):
But he's popular with those in the censer, those who
are drifted.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
He's conservative for your conservative voter, because now you've got
too Liberals'.

Speaker 16 (59:27):
Well Erica Stanford, You've got Nikola Willison. You know you
continue her as Finance minister, so you've got Erica Stanford. Well,
you know, really, but here are the voters here, here's
a missing bit. And this is also National's big r
Kelly's heel right, they have not only have they lost support,

(59:48):
and there is an argument that says, hey, thirty years
on under MP and I think the PM even ran
this this morning, perhaps the large parties from here are
going to always sit at around thirty percent.

Speaker 17 (59:59):
That could be new reality. But the voting block that
we are missing and that National is really struggling with
the center right overall, is the women vote. Speaking to
an ex Cabinet minister recently, he made the excellent point
that in New Zealand, the Auckland voters critical, but the
women's vote wins or loses elections. Right now, Let's not

(01:00:20):
forget that when National and Act and New z Infair
is secretly rolled back pay equity, that really was a
massive hit to the women's vote for them. So even
if you weren't so much into pay equity. There was
a general sort of an eck feel for women voters.
And as my read on polling, the center left has

(01:00:43):
been out polling the center right in the critical eighteen
to forty nine women's vote consistently at about four to one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Massive massive issue.

Speaker 16 (01:00:52):
There, though, Trish, I think it's yes, you know, you
can kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Segment segment the voters.

Speaker 16 (01:00:57):
You know, women voters here, you know New Zealand first
voters are hoovering up national votes at the moment. But
a bigger question is you know, if elections are an
exam then voters set the question and when parties decide
to answer another question, they get punished. Right, So, you know,
I look at the rise of Winston Peters at the moment,

(01:01:19):
and he's talking about the things that people are talking about,
cost and living power, prices, supermarkets, you know. So on
the problem for Luxe and I think is that he's
talked about growth. Now no one uses the word growth.
They talk about jobs, they talk about you know, new businesses,
setting up, investment, whatever. They talk about. My community is
doing really well. No one talks about infrastructure. They talk

(01:01:40):
about the state of the roads, and roads, but just
not talking to voters.

Speaker 17 (01:01:45):
Get I totally get that, and we've talked about that
with New Zealand First rarely recently. They are the only
party at the moment really connecting with their voters. But
here's the reality of that that New Zealand First are
running the Nigel Farage reform playbook, right, It is exactly
the same thing where you are all about. Their strategy
is getting little pockets of very disaffected voters and disparate voters,

(01:02:09):
anti vax anti woke, anti treaty, anti immigration, anti and
you cobble them all into a voter block. New Zealand
First and they have all of the same hallmarks. You
have these headlines that don't have any policy prescription sitting
behind them, and you have overall a platform that is

(01:02:31):
about what we're against, not what we're for, and that
is it's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Up with policy.

Speaker 16 (01:02:35):
Though true because if you think that like between eleven
and fifteen percent now for New Zealand First, right, I
would argue that actually, you know, whether we like it
or not, they're coming up with policies. Are separate supermarkets,
break up the energy gentailors and so on. So they
are actually coming up with some substance, which is a
little bit more than just the looney fringe groups that
you just talked about. It's also pulling over from Labor,

(01:02:58):
pulling over from National, and that's why they's succeeding, not
because they've been Nigel Faraji, no, but it is the
same farage thing because they're tapping into that voter anger
and there's a hallmark behind all their policy announcements where
there is a headline but there is nothing else behind it,
and in my view, the risk we're getting into in

(01:03:19):
New Zealand politics. And this is why why it's so
important that National if they can get their shit together,
they need to because this is a critical election for
New Zealand. This is the election where we need to
be focusing thirty to forty years ahead.

Speaker 17 (01:03:34):
We need to be looking at the big stuff, so like,
how are we not going to fall over the fiscal
cliff that we're driving towards.

Speaker 16 (01:03:41):
We haven't talked about who, We haven't talked about Labor well.

Speaker 17 (01:03:45):
Because we don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
So we will pick this up next week. I suppose guys.
It's lovely to chat, do you think so much? For
Shirson Sherson Willis prgo Spaguanni with child fund. It's eight
away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Hither. Those were just a couple of lefty commentators having
a huddle. That's what people say about Trush all the time.
They say, look at that lefty. They say that about
me too. Actually, if you google me, you type in
Heather Doublasy Allen at auto fills with strong left wing bias. Heather,
who are these two idiots? Heather? This huddle just shows
women are all about themselves and not the country as

(01:04:28):
a whole. Hither, these women are unbelievable. I have to
turn the radio down. I can't stand their voices any more. Falma, Hither,
you are part of the agenda against Luxon that you
yourself rail against. Here you are every day saying he's
out pay equity was an unaffordable labor brible. I agree
with that anyway. I said to you, the unaffordable it
was nonsense. I'm going to read you Chris's email, but

(01:04:48):
I'm going to have to sort of I think there
might be some swear isn't it. So I'm gonna have
to I'm gonna have to censor as we go. Here
we go, I'll let if you slip through just to
tickle the BSA a little bit. They love me, so
they love they BSA hates lefties like me. You, Heather,
are pissing everyone off underline so much with your continual
wittering on and on and on about a leadership change.

(01:05:11):
What the hell in bold is wrong with you? Are
you a labor party stooge? Because I can tell you
everyone is wondering. The first most irritating thing that you
do is you call that pillock Hipkins chippy Christ. How
annoying and pathetic that is. Then you go off on
a tangent about rolling Luxen. Yesterday's article in the Herald
on Sunday was just about the ditsy limit still on

(01:05:33):
you go. So many of us listen to your show
because we heard the sorts of things that we liked
to hear. Not now it's you continually stirring shit and
it's usually aimed at luxe and barriers. So right to
roll Luxon now would be a disaster. I feel that
once he gets going on the campaign trail, he'll pick
up big time in the meantime. Butt out capitals and
stop causing trouble, You idiot female, My god, you've gone down.

(01:05:58):
In my estimation. The only thing I tune in for
now is Barry at four forty five. Here is the
only thing of value on your show? Now, see Roblinsky,
I think see Roblinsky's first name is Chris. Thank you Chris,
but it's a lady. I think Chris is a lady.
I'm just getting that from the.

Speaker 12 (01:06:13):
I think the Limit would be a great name for
a band, do you think so? Yeah, the ditt Sea Limit.
That was my favorite one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
I reckon we could do we've reached that limit? Well,
why don't we use that as the drive promo for
when we relaunch? Next time they do all the noises again,
they update the noises on ZB They could be like
here the duplasy Ellen.

Speaker 12 (01:06:31):
Drive taking you to the Ditzya Limits.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Anyway, Chris sends me regularly. Chris sends me regularly quite
funny emails. But I think that one was probably the best.
Thank you, Nicola was sorry for all the blaspheming. By
the way, I feel like I should say Nikola Willis
is going to be with us next just to lift
that did Sea limit because there'll be two women, two women,
can you believe it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
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Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Keeping track of where the money is flowing the business
out where the head the duplicl and mas insurance and investments.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Even in coming up in the next hour, Shane solely
with the market reaction to the latest Iran drama. Over
the weekend, Consumer New Zealand will give us their take
on Winston Peter's plan to break up foodstuffs and then
Gavin Gray is with us out of the UK. It's
seven past six and with us now as Nicola willis
the Finance Minister. High Nicola, Hi, what do you make
of Winston's idea?

Speaker 18 (01:07:29):
Well, look, I think looking at structural solutions for the
supermarket sector is a good idea, but you've got to
be really careful about how you do it because obviously,
unless it delivers net benefits to consumers, you know further ahead.
And so that's why I've been taking my time working
through proposals, looking very carefully at costs, very carefully. It

(01:07:49):
benefits reviewing that thinking about implementation because I agree with
Winston that the margins and our supermarket sector are very high.
It's not competitive enough, and we need to work on that.
In the first instance. That's why we've introduced the fast
track legislation to make it easier to build competitive supermarkets.
So we're continuing on that work program.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Okay, so did you look at breaking up one of
the supermarkets like he's considering.

Speaker 18 (01:08:15):
I've openly said that I have been given consideration to
structural solutions that you get it miss of the supermarket sector. Well,
I haven't brought proposals to cabinet yet hither because, as
I just said to you, I am working through potential
proposals and looking at what the benefits would be, what
the costs would be, whether they're implementable, whether they would

(01:08:37):
actually deliver a better deal for the consumer. And that
work takes time. I'm obviously not going to go out
half cocked.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
When do you plan to take it to cabinet before
the election? Okay?

Speaker 18 (01:08:49):
Is this?

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Would you seriously consider this? Because it's it's mental, Like,
it is completely and utterly mental to to have a
full sty vestment and it's just not something I can
see a national party doing well.

Speaker 18 (01:09:01):
No, I don't think a forced investment is a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Absolutely you're actually doing that.

Speaker 18 (01:09:06):
I won't be doing a forced investment. But what I
do think is the case is that the current structure
in which we have essentially a duopoly operating in our
supermarket sector is not competitive enough and structurally we do
need to look at are there things that could be
done to make it more competitive, while of course respecting
the property rights of those mums and dads and hard

(01:09:28):
working business people around the country who own their supermarkets,
operate them well, try and deliver a good deal for
their communities. But at the end of the day, it
is the case that the margins on groceries in New
Zealand are far higher than they are internationally, and that's
even when you account for our geographic distance and spread.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Do you reckon that because it's such a crazy idea.
Do you reckon that him saying that he will do
it before the election, he will actually do it after
the election, what do you actually follow that.

Speaker 18 (01:09:56):
I think what he's doing is he's pointing out that
the in the grocery sector are so significant that they
weren't bold thinking now it is actually quite bold that
our government has said, we're so worried about it that
we're going to put in a special piece of legislation
that if you want to open new supermarkets that are competitive,
supermarkets in New Zealand will essentially roll out the red carpet.

(01:10:19):
That's how desperate we are for more competition. But I'm
continuing my work program because I'm not satisfied that we
have a properly competitive grocery sector in New Zealand. And
there are a number of ideas that are worthy of
for the consideration, but you've got to get it right.
Detail really really matters. No point making a big color
balloo and a huge structural change and then you the
consumer don't end up now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
I mean, if you're going to take something to the
election that will then be enacted after the election, you're
going to have to have something pretty awesome to beat
this idea because the punters are going to love it.

Speaker 16 (01:10:45):
Ah Well, I think what New Zealand does want is
more affordable groceries and a sense that they're paying fair prices.
And so that's not just about what you say you're
going to do. It's about having evidence that are or deliver.
And that's why I've been taking my time to carefully
work through a range of proposals and to properly understand

(01:11:07):
the cause of the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Okay, now is Treasury's worst case scenario for inflation seven
and a half percent, likes Vernon small has stators.

Speaker 18 (01:11:14):
Well, they have not presented me with their forecast in
that way to quote them. Instead, what they've done, rather
than present me a forecast, is they've given me a
framework for understanding possible outcomes based on a range of
different scenarios. And so what I'm going to do in
the next few days is provide another economic update, because

(01:11:35):
I understand that there's a lot of people saying, well
things have moved since you last gave some numbers. We
don't want to wait till the budget, so I will
give an update. But I want to be clear that
what they have that when the numbers that they have
given me in their stylized scenarios haven't actually been forecasts.
It's just a way of understanding, you know, if the
conflict goes on for longer, and if the price goes higher,

(01:11:56):
obviously that means even higher and even lower.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Grow cast in their worst forecast.

Speaker 18 (01:12:02):
What they haven't given me a forecast either, they have
not given me a forecast.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
So in the framework, they've given you a bunch of scenarios. Yes, yes,
they've given me a bunch of scenarios. In the worst scenario,
what's the inflation prediction.

Speaker 18 (01:12:16):
I'm not going to give that to you out of context.
Why because I don't think it's useful and it's not
the normal practice for finance ministers and the lead up
to a budget to say, hey, here's all the scenarios
I'm talking about. I'm going to give you a different number.
I can point you to the IMF who last week
released the globe.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
This is silly because when when, when COVID happened, there
was a range of forecasts, none of which eventuated. But
they were at least for all of their faults at
least completely transparent with people about the worst case scenario.
Why aren't they us?

Speaker 18 (01:12:47):
So that's what I am going to In a few days,
I'm going to give a full economic scenario.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
So the number you just told me you're not going
to give me, you're going to give me in a
couple of days.

Speaker 18 (01:12:57):
I will give you some updated economic model and a
few days that will take into account more recent events,
noting that events that are moving around literally every day.
The oil price is leaping up and down by double
digit percentage figures, the scenarios for the conflict are changing
in confounding people. And so I'm not going to put

(01:13:19):
too much weight on one stylized scenario that wasn't even
a forecast. And I think you putting this much weight
on it is silly, particularly when I've said that I
am going to give.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Can I take you in my defense in my defense
Vernon because you guys, because you in particular refuse to
release it to press gallery journalists. It has caused Vernon
Small to write an article. I have asked Chris Bishop
the number. He refuses to tell me. So I'm only
putting the weight on it that you are putting. Its
a counterweight to your weight.

Speaker 18 (01:13:44):
Sure A look, there are a range of numbers I've seen.
Bank economists, No, I'm not bank economists have put out
a range of numbers. Treasury have suggested a range of numbers,
and I'm going to provide an update in the coming days.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Okay, now, I'm sorry to do this, but what is
the punishment that's going to be handed out to the
troublemakers tomorrow? At caucus.

Speaker 18 (01:14:06):
Well, I haven't discussed punishment with anyone. Obviously, as a
caucus we discuss all sorts of things that caucus. We
tend to keep that in private and behind closed doors,
and none of it. None of us like it when
people choose to make anonymous comments by way of the
media rather than talking face to face with their colleagues.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
So, am I right in thinking though, that there are
really for the Prime minister. It's not just tomorrow's caucus
that he has to get through, but it's in fact
this caucus tomorrow and then the caucus and the Tuesday thereafter. Right,
it's a two week sitting block.

Speaker 18 (01:14:37):
Well, what do you mean he's got to get through?
He goes to caucus every Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Well, I mean this is pressure, right, pressures. The whole
thing is supposed to be a fortnight of pressure to
try to force him out of his job. That's what
these troublemakers are doing, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (01:14:51):
Well I don't think that they have succeeded that in
any way.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Not.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Yes, but he's sleeping another Tuesday and another Tuesday to
get through it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:14:59):
Yeah, and you know what, he he's been coming to
caucus every Tuesday in a house sitting weight since he
became leader, and I can count dozens and dozens of
articles and headlines that have Seti's in trouble again and
again and again, and he soldiered on and so he
will continue to do so.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
So the huddle girls earlier who know their stuff with politics,
I think it might have been Trisherson all Joe. One
of them said, what is the point at which you
guys stop the suffering? Like, at what point? What is
the polling number at which you say, Chris, this is
not working. Do you have a number?

Speaker 18 (01:15:30):
Well, I think that presumes, heither, that you would get
a different number if you had a different leader. And
I don't presume that. Well that's your assumption.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Well, but you would because surely, to God, anyone else
won't be as bad in media interviews.

Speaker 18 (01:15:48):
Well heither, I'm not of the view that he does
do a bad job in all of his media interviews.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
That's your view, right, Thank you very much. I'll let
you get back to your day job, which we actually
need you to do. Niicola Willis Finance Minister. Thanks again.
Sixteen past six It's.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
The Heather Dupas Allen Drive Full Show Podcast on my
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Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Here the breaking up food Stuffs only hurts New Zealand
owned private businesses. The effort should be putting into it,
be should be put into disestablishing the Aussie O and Woolworth's.
It's a very good point. Actually. The trouble is, do
you know what the trouble with this is food Stuffs
has got two separate brands. It actually got three brands.
It's got Pack and Safe and then it's got New
World and it's got four Square. So the plan is,
you know, Pack and Save goes off in one direction,

(01:16:31):
New World and four Square in the other direction. Woolworths
used to have that, It used to have Woolworth's and Countdown,
but now and then it just smashed itself into one
big brand, woolworth So now you can't break it about.
So they kind of they beat Winston to it. Sixteen
or nineteen past six, Shane Solly Harbor Asset Management is
with us. Hello Shane, Hello here that how have markets
reacted chained to that fractious Mid East cease fire development

(01:16:53):
over the it's certainly fractures.

Speaker 19 (01:16:56):
We've seen a bit of an unwhining of this unwinding,
this is progress is really creating a bit more confusion
for markets. So just to remind you, last week on Friday,
we had the USh market up one point two percent
with obviously on the CISFI news and some really good
company unions results. So the US market is actually up
four and a half percent last week. Right now, as

(01:17:17):
we speak, US futures are looking like they're going to
be down between half a percent and point six percent.
So let's say in the market expects the US market
to be low locally, we tried to rallually on on
the same news is far and the stronger US markets
and we hit some really good company updates today, but
actually using our market into the day flat and it's

(01:17:38):
a little bit stronger and hittyweight Fish and Pike or
healthcare a little bit weaker. So yeah, tough day.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Now, what is the market expecting from the CPI the
inflation data tomorrow?

Speaker 19 (01:17:47):
Yeah, look, the consumer price inflation data for the first
quarter twenty twenty six. The market's picking zero point eight percent,
which is up from zero point six the previous quarter.
Now zero point eight percent, That would mean the anual
number will be two point nine percent. Now we know
that that data is kind of a history already given
the Mid East conflict has already changed the outlook for inflation,
but it will influence whether the market thinks the Reserve

(01:18:10):
Bank needs to accelerate the pace or actually get on
with increasing the official care rate.

Speaker 5 (01:18:15):
And if you look at where the.

Speaker 19 (01:18:16):
Markets are, we're pricing and the official caresh rate to
be a three and a half percent by June next year.
That's one point two five percent up from where it
is now. Whatever we're head wind for the economy, which
is of course what the why the RBNZ would rate
increase rates to try and slow the economy down. The
other thing here is we've got the coreterly Serve our
business opinion out from NZII tomorrow. It will be the

(01:18:37):
first real indicator of the post Midias conflict on how
business confidence is really formed as a big data tomorrow
for economic indicator.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
And we had some okay, it's more okay New Zealand
company announcements out today, didn't we.

Speaker 19 (01:18:49):
Yeah, we did. Look Fletcher Building, Genesis and Channel all
came out with you wor actually good good announcements. Fletcher
Building has got overseas and business Office and ComCom approve
allD to sell it's construction to Lindsey. It's a head
of expectations that releases about threadred million and really helps
with fletch your buildings balance sheet. That share price is
up two percent the day to two ninety three. Genesis

(01:19:10):
announced a financial investment decision on the second stage of
some more battery storage at its Humpany plant. There's another
one hundred legal watts of bess which is really helpful
to firming up electricity storage one hundred and six million dollars.
It's a pretty good price versus the first stage. That
was a good outcome. Genesis share price up zero point

(01:19:31):
four percent to two twenty six. And Channel agreed to
contractual terms of the Zone government for another ninety three
million liters of diesel storage out till December twenty seven,
and that's helpful. That certainly generates about just a million
bucks a month for Channel and its share price slightly
down on the day to two ninety four zero point
trips in down.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
All right, San, thanks as always, good to talk to you.
We'll talk to you again next week. Shane Sally Harbor
Asset Management. Right, I'll give you the numbers so the
Instex fifty is up zero point eight percent today. That's
f The AX fifty is even flatter than the inzidex.
It's down. Hold on to me get the nut. All
the zeros zero point zero zero two percent so far today.
A barrel of Brent crude costs ninety five US dollars.

(01:20:14):
That's up six percent today. One New Zealand dollar is
worth fifty nine usns eighty two. Ozzie sends fifty euro cents,
forty four ukpns and ninety three yen six twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business hour
with head, the dupic alt and mass insurance and investments.
Your futures in good hands. US talks, they'd be hither.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
You are not right on. Woolworth's all Countdown stores rebranded
to Wilworth's last year. Years ago. There were separate Wolworths
and Countdown stores that I'm saying exactly what I just said.
But Wolworths also owns supervalue stores, so they could be
split off. Hither another shut text. Wolworth's also owns the
Fresh Choice supermarket, so you could splus pos. You could
split off the Fresh Choice and the super Value, but

(01:20:56):
it's just not as big asn't it, So it's not
probably not so probably at the end of the day
you have to ping the key Wei ones unfortunately not
the Aussie ones to get like real, like a deep
decent sized supermarket chain to do the thing. Anyway, Listen,
tonight our time over in the UK is going to
be a really big day for the UK Prime Minister,
Sir Kia Startmer, Kir Starmer, and this has got this

(01:21:17):
is all over the Peter Mandelsson thing, which basically started
as the Epstein Finds files. Originally, he's he really actually
faces forty eight hours of trouble, so he's going to
be grilled in the Commons Monday night, our Time, Tonight,
our Time over reports that he knew that Peter Mandelson
had failed his security clearance and then twenty four hours later,
on Tuesday night, Our Time, Sir Oli Robbins, who was
sacked as the Foreign Office Permanent Secretary over this is

(01:21:40):
going to appear before a powerful group of MPs to
explain his department's role in the saga. So it's going
to get hairy for Sir Kia.

Speaker 7 (01:21:46):
Six twenty seven, there's no business like Show Business.

Speaker 5 (01:21:51):
Only get in nine.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
So it looks like we're never going to get a
one reunion, one direction reunion, if that's what you were
hoping for, because it's been reported that two of the
former men have had a physical altercation. It's back in October,
Zaane Malick and Louie Tomlinson was set to be filming
a Netflix project together. It was supposed to be a
road trip style documentary across the US, bringing the former
bandmates back together on the open road, but things took

(01:22:14):
a turn in Wyoming when Zaye Malick allegedly made a
flippant and deeply insensitive comment about Louie Tomlinson's mum, who
passed away about ten years ago. That sparked a heated
argument between the pair. It then escalated to the point
where Zaye allegedly punched Louis in the face. The punch
left Louis can cast because Zayne was wearing rings at
the time. It also cut his face quite badly, or

(01:22:35):
his head. Anyway, It's not exactly the reunion that fans
were imagined. Gets even messier because the whole incident is
then apparently caught on camera by the documentary crew. Reps
for both sides are reportedly on edge, with fears the
footage could leak at any moment. As a result, the
entire Netflix project has been shelved indefinitely. The director's unhappy,
She's posted on Instagram, and there goes the last year

(01:22:56):
of work. The timing of all of this is especially
significant because one direction haven't been meaningfully seen together since
their breakup in twenty sixteen, and then after former member
Liam Payne tragically died two years ago, fans had started
to think maybe a reunion might finally be on the cards,
But the way this thing has turned out, with a
pair now on following each other on social media, it
looks like they are going in different directions, consuming New

(01:23:21):
Zealand next on the supermarket breakup, it's a vero.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
What nothing to be a trader?

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Well, if it's to do with money, it matters to you.
The Business Hour with Heather Duper c Allen and Mass
Insurance and Investments, Your futures in good hands.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
Us talks'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
But as I said just before the news, Gavin Gray
is going to be with us out of the UK
and about ten minutes time channel infrastructure. These are the
people who run Marsden Point oil refinery and now also
building the extra diesel storage for us to check our
extra diesel into Channel. Infrastructure has confirmed it will earn
one point two million dollars a month for doing that
on behalf of the government. It's quite fascinating how they're

(01:24:12):
doing it. They're having to clean. It's a big job,
they say, getting in there and cleaning those tanks out
that they need to use. And they're using robots which
crawl along the inside and then blast the surface with
the high pressure water. It's probably a very similar concept
to the robots that the Dolphin robots. You're chucking your
pool so you can clear them up. And then they've
also got the workers cleaning the floating roofs of the

(01:24:34):
tanks by hand. So anyway make them a nice bit
of coin, I would say. Twenty three away from seven now,
New Zealand First has announced it will campaign on splitting
up food stuffs. The policy would force food stuffs to
split into two separate cooperatives, one for pack and Safe
and one for New World and four Square. The idea
is to break up the dwopoly that's dominating our grocery
sect out the moment. Jima Rasmussen as from consumer and

(01:24:56):
is with us now. Hi, Jemma, Hi, do you like
this idea?

Speaker 20 (01:25:01):
I'm not sure about it. If I'm honest, I would
love to know what work has gone into coming up
with this proposal. I think the thing with the grocery
sector is often there's no one silver bullet, and the
risk with breaking up food stuffs is there could be
unintended consequences like operational costs go up, a whole lot

(01:25:25):
of setup costs and the price of food actually goes up.
It's very hard to prove that having three players is
the key to great competition. If you look at Australia,
they've got three players and they have just been going
through with their regulator looking to look looking into excessive

(01:25:47):
pricing and there's been a whole raft of issues.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Okay, so if this isn't the solution, what is the solution?

Speaker 20 (01:25:54):
Well, I think it's quite interesting to see what they're
doing in Australia. Actually, effective from July this year, the
government is introducing new laws which would ban excessive price
markups and this would be enforced by the regulator. This
could mean huge penalties up to ten million dollars or
ten percent of turnover. And what this really looks at

(01:26:15):
is when you get something, when the supermarket gets food
from a supplier, if the markup is beyond a reasonable
margin and incredibly excessive, and there is then being sold
to consumers, the supermarkets would be in the firing line.
And I think this is one of the problems that
we've had in New Zealand.

Speaker 18 (01:26:31):
We hear from.

Speaker 20 (01:26:32):
Suppliers that they're getting increasingly squeezed. They're really vulnerable, and
it's very opaque understanding the price that a supply ourselves
to the supermarket and then the price we pay on
our shelves.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Okay, so if they're doing this, I mean it's an
interesting idea out of Australia, but how do they like,
what do they decide? What products is it that can't
have excessive markups on them?

Speaker 20 (01:26:55):
So it would be what the AH trouble'll see is
looking for is an egregious example being sent to them.
So it could be many things within the supermarket, but
it would probably sit within the produce area, all those
essential items like bread, milk, cheese, things like that, so
they'll be looking for evidence. They would then be then

(01:27:16):
with the same consume I'm just thinking about this and
just wondering if this would work with this if the
same then applied. So let's say loaf of bread, fair
fair product to put it on. So that's in the supermarkets,
But would you apply the same rules to a dairy
down the road. No, you wouldn't. They're only focusing on
the very large souper markets, being so with over thirty
billion annual revenue. But if the supermarkets are not having

(01:27:40):
such excessive markups, that's.

Speaker 18 (01:27:42):
Going to have a flow on effect.

Speaker 20 (01:27:43):
I mean, look at what happens in New Zealand. Dairy
owners go to our supermarkets to buy products and then
on sell them. So it would it would go across
the whole country. And it's really about putting on notice
as opposed to a whole overhaul. It's making an example
a few times with very high penalties to stop the

(01:28:05):
very intensive price markups that are happening.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Okay, now do you understand just back to New Zealand
First's policy, do you understand the logic for splitting it
into pack and save on one side, New World and
fall square on the other. I'm not to be honest.

Speaker 20 (01:28:18):
I saw that they had done this and I'm not
really sure the logic behind it why they have chosen
to split it in that way. I haven't spoken to
anyone from the party to understand exactly what is behind that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
All right, hey, listen, thank you very much appreciated Jim Rasmussen,
who is with consuming New Zealand's nineteen Away from.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
Seven Heather due to see Ellen.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Because I don't know if you've been following the story
of the guy who gets shoved onto the kei we
rail board by Winston Peters after his business donated money
to New Zealand first, but it has just got If
it wasn't ridiculous enough, it's just got more ridiculous. It
was already ridiculous because anytime it just looks it's just
such a bad look. If a company gives a donation
to a political party and then old my ends up

(01:29:00):
on the board of something, that's a bad look. But
it's even a worse look when old mate has so
many conflicts of interest that he the warning is like,
maybe don't put him on the board because he's got
too many conflicts of interest, But it happens anyway anyway,
So that's what happened. That that's what's happened here? And
this chap's name is Scott O'Donnell. He had so many
conflicts of interest he couldn't attend just ridiculous numbers of meetings.

(01:29:23):
So he was appointed to the board in July last year.
He was excluded from fifteen agenda items just in six meetings.
He was absent for a further nineteen items for other
reasons like travel, which brought the total number of agenda
items that he was not present for to thirty four,
in which case you're wondering what's the actual point. He
quit after only eight months in March, which I think

(01:29:44):
where we're all. I saw that and I thought, I
thank the good Lord, we've avoided a drama there. Now
that new department store that's planned for Queen Street faradays
is going to look great. So they've released some images
of the inside of the building to the media which
have been published, and it looked it looks awesome. They've
got it. So this is just bearing in mind, right,
this is the construction has only just started and if

(01:30:05):
you looked at it, it's basically just dust and concrete
at the minute. But this is what they're planning for
it to look like there will be a spiral staircase
which we already knew, marble countertops, a contrast of dark
and light fixtures, shelving in spaces. So instead, I mean,
I'm just guessing looking at it and reading it that
it's going to be. Instead of like when you walk
into a I don't know, like a kmart. This is

(01:30:28):
on assualt of fluorescent lights. This is going to be
a little bit less. You're not going to walk out
over stimulated because you can have a few dappled, little
bit dark and stuff to handle as well. They've got
six hundred square meters of exquisite Italian marble at port
waiting clearance right now, custom wood flooring made by artisans
in Europe, which is being air freighted this week. They

(01:30:49):
haven't named the brands that they will have in store,
but they say that they're sought after brands. These are
going to be the cool ones and they will be
revealed in May.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
I don't know about you, but if you're thinking about it,
inflation number like seven point five being the worst case
scenario allegedly that Treasury has presented to Nikola Willison, you'd
have to say tough time to be opening a luxury store.
But good on them for having the confidence to do it.
Sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather duper
c Allen's on the Business Hour with mass insurance and investments,
Your futures in good hands, News talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
It looks like that UK decision last week. Was it
last week or the week before? I think it was
a week before. Anyway, the decision to ban Kanye West
is having a bit of a domino effect because last
week France went as well and canceled the show. Now
Poland and Switzerland have been canceled. This is over his
previous now disavout Love of the Nazis. Thirteen away from
seven Gavin Gray UK correspondence with US. Hello, Gavin, Hi,

(01:31:47):
they had a right, So tell us on a scale
of one to ten, how much troublecare star is in?

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Oh.

Speaker 7 (01:31:53):
I think he's veering on the nine to ten here.
I don't think anything's gonna precisely knock him off his
perch today, but his position as Prime Minister in the
UK is massively under scrutiny and in grave danger. And
this really is another sort of Epstein related thing, all
relating to Lord Peter Mandlsson, the man who had twice

(01:32:14):
had to leave cabinet under Tony Blair as a minister,
then got appointed as the Ambassador to America, the UK
Ambassador to America, the absolute pick of all jobs for ambassadors.
He'd never been an ambassador before, but got the nod
ahead of several other very very important candidates, and it

(01:32:36):
was quite a shock at the time. It was a
personal appointment by the Prime Minister. And then of course
we now know he was linked to Epstein and then
he got the sack after just seven months. Now today
the Prime Minister is having to answer questions about again
about what he knew when relating to his security clearance.
For Peter Mandleson, the seventy two year old is said

(01:32:59):
to have failed his security clearance, but the Prime Minister
is claiming he didn't know that and he wasn't told that.
Now there are different the restrictions on what civil servants
are able to say regarding national security and regarding these
security checks. But I'm afraid to say it either looks
like the Prime Minister is inept, he's ignorant of things,

(01:33:22):
He isn't in control or he has lied to Parliament
and all the opposition leaders have unified to say he's
got to resign. Now, there aren't those calls, I'm not
getting the sensor are those calls within his own party yet,
but they are growing by the day. Today the Prime
Minister faces Commons, the House of Commons and has to
answer questions. It's lively to be a very very sparky

(01:33:44):
affair tomorrow. The man he sacked, the former head of
the Foreign Office as a civil servant. He's giving evidence
and that's going to be very interesting, Heather, whether he
decides to protect his own reputation and go out all
guns blazing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
So tell me, Kevin, what's the worst case scenario for
the Prime Minister here? What are is MPs looking for?
Is it just a shoddy performance, like a bit of
a flubbing in the media, or is it evidence that
he's lied.

Speaker 7 (01:34:11):
I think if he's found to have lied or misled Parliament,
as the phrase goes, that will be an immediate, have
to be resignation, and there will be huge pressure on
him to do so. But he has this knack of
managing to throw other people under the bus. So he's
already lost two or three top silver servants and the
last one, as you said, Sir Oli Robbins, a well respected,

(01:34:34):
well revered character within the Foreign Office. Just critics would
say thrown under a bus. Others would say, well the
Prime Minister wasn't told. That's scandalous and he's got to go.
But either way, I think these are going to be
a very very tough forty eight hours, seventy two hours
for our brand.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
Minister.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Yeah, it does sound like a Now the baby food,
what's happened here?

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
Do we know?

Speaker 7 (01:34:56):
This is really really worrying? In the police in officer
urged people to be vigilant after a sample of baby
food was found to contain rat poison. It was found
in the eastern region of Bergenland and the poison jar
of carrot and potato pure have been reported by customer.
The customer reported that they noticed before opening it that

(01:35:17):
the lid had been tampered with and thankfully their baby
did not consume the food. Now what the company is saying,
It's a manufacturer called hip Hi doublep. They are very
very popular with babyfood around the center of Europe, Austria.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
And so forth.

Speaker 7 (01:35:34):
They are saying, look, the jars are leaving their factory
in perfect order. But the police are saying nothing. They're
saying nothing on the theory that this is some extortion attempt. However,
the police have said that they did have a warning
from German investigators and tampered jars have already been seized
in the Czech Republic and Slovakia. So that does kind

(01:35:58):
of suggest, doesn't it, and lean to this theory that
there is somebody attempting to extort either the supermarket involved
SPA or the actual company manufacture itself.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
But either way, people are being worn.

Speaker 7 (01:36:12):
When you get any jar that has not got that
label on it that seals it shut and shows you
nobody's opened it, then don't buy it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
Good advice. Hey, thank you very much. Gavin has always
Gavin Gray, UK correspondent tell you what the banks in
Australia doing, which is interesting is they're rolling out zero
percent interest loans to help out businesses over there. So
this is obviously read the fuel crisis. So they've identified
priority sectors and I'm guessing if you're wanting to know
what that would be be things like transportation. You know,
people who are getting food from one place to the other,

(01:36:41):
people who are growing food, that kind of thing. So
they've identified these businesses and if they have an annual
turnover of one hundred million dollars or less and they're
seeking a loan of five million dollars or less, they
can get the zero percent loan from the banks. It's
basically to help them through the fuel crisis with the
high costs and the supply chain disruptions. Our banks not

(01:37:01):
offering it. Eight away from seven it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Heather Top c Allen Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
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Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
Hey, if you're fascinated by this chamozzle over the India
FTA and New Zealand first not supporting it in labor
not supporting it just yet. The latest is that Todd
McLay is going to sign the FTA with India next
Monday and that will then trigger the release of the
agreements text to the public. So if you want to
clapul little eyes on it and see what's going on

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in there, you will be able to. And just remember
today was the day that Chippy Chris Hipkins was going
to be briefed on it. So hopefully, hopefully tomorrow at
caucus he will say to his colleagues, let's just get
on and support the thing so we can stop this
ridiculous drama. Heather love this text. Thank you for your
correct pronunciation of route. Unfortunately, your Auckland Transport interviewee did

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not pick up on it, but persisted in the toe
curling American pronunciation route, which actually means an ignominious defeat
and battle too.

Speaker 12 (01:38:03):
Yeah, that's the one that one doesn't have an E though,
that's just ro owu two.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Yeah, but do you know what? This is one of
the ones. There are some like there are some like
mischievous and centered around that just really like grind mcgez.
But rout does grind my gears because every time somebody
says in New Zealand, it is somebody who's not an American.
Every time they say route, I go, Oh, you're funny
about sex though, aren't you? So you don't want to

(01:38:28):
say route? Okay, do you think that that you think route?
That's what you're that's the kind of route you're thinking of.
Now I'm thinking of a root on the road. Actually,
now what are you thinking about? Hey?

Speaker 12 (01:38:39):
And now on a super smooth segue off to something
completely different, Iron Maiden to play us out tonight. Hello
be thy name. So some good news for Iron Maid
and they're going into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Cossibly it was going to be bad news for us
because they get like, the induction ceremony is November the
fourteenth in Los Angeles, which is smack bang in the

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middle of the New Zealand and Australia tour that they're
meant to be doing. So it's very good that Iron
Maiden have come out and said, yeah, look, it'd be
nice to be at the induction ceremony, but we have
a tour to do. So they have confirmed they will
definitely be showing up for the New Zealand shows at
Spark Arena on November seventh and eighth and all the
Australia ones instead of going to the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
That's cool, But don't you am I wrong in thinking
that there was there was a band like this who
went to They were in the middle of their tour
last year and they were in Australia and then they
flew to America and they went into some Hall of
Fame thing and then flew back and finished their tour.
Do you remember that?

Speaker 12 (01:39:33):
Ah? I don't that does so, I mean, I don't
know you could do it. So the thing is the
ceremonies on November the fourteenth, and if I look at
their show schedule, they could technically zip from Melbourne to
Los Angeles and then be back in time for their
show at Sydney on November the fifteenth. But I think
they've said that they are going to just do the
shows and not do the end.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
I wonder who that was. Okay, I'm going to try.
I'm gonna wrack my brains overnight. Maybe come back maybe
or maybe not come back with that information tomorrow. See then,
good luck. Chris is in that caucus meeting.

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