Full Show Podcast: 20 July 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only Drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers, find the sack and give the analysis.
Heather Duplicy Ellen, Drive with One New Zealand and the
Power of Satellite Mobile News Talks ENV.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the program coming up today.
The government has just this afternoon killed off those EWIE agreements.
The councils have been rushing to strike. We'll have a
chat to Chris Bishop about that. After five. Bob Charles
is with us to talk about Ryan Fox's enormous achievement
and Chloe Swarbrick on the latest policy, this time energy.
They want to set up key we Power.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Heather Duplicy Ellen, Well, I think.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
We can probably call it. In the end, no one
cared enough about the controversies at the Football World Cup.
We all just had a really good time watching it.
Anyone hoping, and there were definitely people hoping that this
would be the World Cup where finally the corruption would
be too much and the controversies would be too much
and something would be done about it. Anyone hoping for
that will be horribly disappointed because already it sounds like
uefas ignoring the calls to deal with in Fantino after

(00:59):
Trump involved himself and getting the red card overturned, and
already more than two hundred of FIFA member associations have
formerly backed Infantino for re election. I think those two
things should tell you more than anything that nothing is
going to come from any of the politics or any
of the controversies. Instead, what's going to happen is Infantino
will celebrate. Yes, another successful tournament. The football was great.

(01:23):
It wasn't diluted by the extra teams, which is what
people were worried about. It wasn't predictable. You had surprise
successes like Cape Verd. Nearly seven million fans passed through
the gates. That is, by the way, enormous, right, That
is double the previous record, which was set in the
US thirty two years ago. Ninety nine point seven percent
of the tickets were sold. They think the final will

(01:44):
be the most watched football match on record. Now, sure,
in years to come, we're going to remember that Trump
got a red card overturned, just like we're going to
remember that there was a rainbow armband drama and Qatar.
But we're also going to remember that the argis really
got heated up had a fight after the final he
got a hat trick and Eli Joss got a double
for the all Whites who actually turned out to be
not half bad and gave us some hope that maybe

(02:06):
quality football is finally improving in this country. In the end,
the controversies are just part of the story. But they
didn't stop people going to the games or watching the games,
which is so predictable because this is what happens every
single time.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Ever do for c Ellen's.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Nineteen ninety two of the text number standard texts fees apply,
and of course we'll have a chat to Justin Justin
Pine or why not. Justin Pine is going to be
with us in around about ten minutes time. There's a
yarmbhind that I'll tell you right now. It's coming up
ten past four now. The government is pumping sixty million
dollars into golden based cements so it doesn't shut its
Northland operation down. That operation is the only cement manufacturing

(02:43):
facility in the country. It supplies sixty percent of New
Zealand's cement and by the way, it's owned by Fletcher.
Doctor Eric Crampton is an economist at the New Zealand
initiative and with us Hi, Eric, afternoon, I can imagine
that you probably don't enjoy this spend, do you.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Well, it's a mess that's trying to solve what's actually
a real problem in how the government's industrial allocations in
the Emissions Trading Scheme work. The design of those is
not good, and they are particularly not good when it
comes to cement manufacturing. I would have preferred that the
government updated its settings for those so that they were

(03:21):
more functional and so we wouldn't see this kind of
problem emerge in other sectors later. We've seen it previously
in steel. Instead, they've done it as a one off,
paying out Fletchers to maintain the plant through to twenty forty.
But the underlying problem with the Emissions Trading Scheme in
how it calculates industrial allocations is still there to be fixed.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Okay, So is this, ultimately, in a nutshell a problem
that the cost of manufacturing cement to New Zealand is
impossible because of the cost that the ETS imposes on
it is that basically.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
It it's impossible because we don't charge a carbon equivalent
or charge for cement coming in from overseas. So remember
that we have industrial allocations for sectors where we worry
that if we didn't provide ets credits for a New
Zealand company, the emissions would just happen overseas instead, because

(04:16):
we'd be importing from there, or other countries would be
buying foreign made products rather than New Zealand products, and
that's a problem for global warming. If the emissions shift
to a place where the emissions are even worse than
they are here now, it looks like New Zealand cement
is actually more carbon efficient than the cement being made
in Japan, which is where we'd be importing from the alternative,

(04:38):
or at least on average, that's where it largely comes from.
If the plant here shut down, there'd be more global
reliance on the Japanese cement and we'd be relying on that.
Global emissions would go up. If we were doing industrial
allocations properly, then this wouldn't be an issue. They would
be allocated credits sufficient to not to be competing with

(05:02):
unpriced alternatives, or we'd be adjusting a border charge for
importing carbon intensive cements these allocations.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Are you just talking about basically an exemption from these years, Well.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
What happens is that existing industries that face this kind
of trade issue catered free credits by the government. So
every year the government puts up some credits for auction,
and they've not been able to sell any recently. They
also provide free allocations to industries where the government has
good reason to worry that emissions would happen overseas instead

(05:37):
of here instead, so the company gets free credits. They
can use those to satisfy their surrender obligations. So whenever
they create a ton of carbon dioxide emissions, they must
surrender one ends at you. They can choose to do that,
or they can choose to do things that reduce their
own emissions and then sell those credits for other people
to use. Unfortunately, there are a couple of problems at

(06:00):
how the system is set up. So one unfortunate consequence
of it is that when wholesome shut down a higher
emitting plant so that they've got lower carbon intensity in
their own current production, they wound up getting fewer emissions
credits out of it because of how we baseline these things.
They're baselined against what happens here rather than emissions intensity abroad.

(06:26):
Really they should be tracking how carbon intensive is production overseas,
and if that reduces, well, we would provide fewer credits
here because it's not such a bad thing if production
shifts overseas, if the overseas is more efficient on carbon grounds,
and that the ETS's only job is around carbon stuff,
there can be other reasons to want to have domestic manufacturing,

(06:48):
but keep the ETS pure. It doesn't scale that way.
It scales instead to domestic emissions. And then on this
weird timetable where it reduces the amount that's ALEC aid
to these companies a little bit each year. Trying to
is basically a fudge factor that the government expects that

(07:09):
emissions intensity overseas will reduce as technology improves, and so
will emissions here, So it will just scale down over
time rather than scaling with what's actually going on overseas,
which is what should matter in a clean version of bold. Okay,
and so we're stuck with a subsidy.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
But the easiest is just a joke, right. I Mean,
the thing is, it's becoming, as you explain, incredibly complex,
not actually working. It's making our power bills, our domestic powerbills,
unaffordable to us. Why don't we just instead of giving
these guys sixty million dollars of taxpayer money. Why don't
we just scrap the easiers?

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Well, it depends whether you want to scrap the net
zero Act right right now? Okay, So you could have
a consistent version where you get rid of the net
zero legislation. We would still face some obligations under international agreements,
and to the extent that we've view those as binding,
it could be far more expensive to try and buy
international credits to satisfy those obligations than to maintain the ETS.

(08:09):
There are versions of ETS reform that I kind of
like where we would anchor in sort of in international prices,
So if New Zealand prices ever got too high, we'd
buy international units and use those within the ETS here
as well. There are ways of doing that that would
be consistent with the net zero legislation. If we ditch

(08:30):
the net zero legislation, and well, I guess how to
put this. If it becomes obvious that China and the
US and large major emitters overseas are going to abandon
efforts at achieving net zero, then we would have to
wonder whether it makes sense for New Zealand to be
continuing down that path. I'm not sure that we've got
that with certainty yet, and I think that updates to

(08:52):
how the ETS works so that we could rely more
on foreign credits also keeps us in line with foreign
with foreign efforts, all right. At the same time, our
praises aren't that high compared to international norms. We're much
below the praise in Europe for the sectors that are covered.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Eric, thank you, I appreciate it. That's Eric Crampton, New
Zealand Initiative Economists. Now know, I know that got pretty
deep right there. I'm going to give you the simple
because he's an economist, right he gave us all the detail.
I'm going to give you the simple version of that.
Just to tack after Jason Pine. Jason Pine's next sixteen
past four.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
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Speaker 2 (09:31):
Hither I'm totally on aside the ETS is a load
of rubbish. You stand by and I'm going to explain
all the shortly nineteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
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Speaker 2 (09:42):
Jason Pine Sports Talkhosters of US, Hello Piney it's Justin
to you allen, mate, isn't it? Did you hear that?
And there was completely an accident. I didn't even do
it on purpose.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
I loved it.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Do you still get called Justin all the time?

Speaker 6 (09:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I do still get a lot of help all the time.
Slightly offensive, but I love it as well. Now tell
me what you thought of Ryan Fox? How good was that?

Speaker 7 (10:01):
Unbelievable? Just just fantastic for him to join such a
small group Dame lydier Co, so Bob Charles, who I
know you're chatting to, and also Michael Campbell. I mean,
it's just so hard to win these things, and I
mean I just love how keiwe Ryan Fox is. You know,
there's no frills, there's no ears and graces. He's just
a down to earth Kiwi guy who happens to be

(10:23):
very very good at golf. And over a long time
he's been good at golf, but wondered whether he could
string together the four rounds at big tournaments to get
onto the top of the podium, if you want to
call it that, And this morning he did. And look
that eighteenth hole. Three brilliant shots, a great drive into
the fairway approach shot onto the green, you know, eleven
feet from the flag, and then the put in. He

(10:43):
could have parted that hole and gone to a playoff
if he'd been a bit more cautious. He thought, nap
bugg of that, let's go and win this thing. And
he did. And I think everybody from the top of
the country to the bottom would be delighted for him.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
So we were talking about this in the newsroom. Does
he do any practice shots at all? Or does he
just wander up and give it, give it a little hoof?

Speaker 7 (10:58):
He's well listening to him afterwards, He's like seaball hip ball,
isn't he?

Speaker 8 (11:03):
He?

Speaker 7 (11:03):
You know, occasionally I think, you know, you have a
couple of practice swings, mainly on your fairway shots. When
you look at the approach, you know you can see
them swinging, but nowhere near as much as some others.
And you know, some guys just take ages to you know,
to get there, to get themselves set up. They sort
of wriggle all parts of their body and make sure
they're all in the right place, and it takes ages
for him. He's just up there seaball hip ball, and

(11:24):
it seems to work.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, it does work. I love it. And because it
doesn't let the worms get into your head and cause
you to correct yourself. Now a need to cough? Excuse me?
What's wrong with Argentina? What so agro?

Speaker 8 (11:36):
They?

Speaker 7 (11:36):
Honestly, that is the worst performance I've seen from a
team in a World Cup final probably ever, not just
in the way that they behaved in terms of being
pretty much anti football, Heather. They didn't have a shot
at goal until after Spain scored in the one hundred
and fifth minute of that game. Not just a shot
on target, they didn't have a shot at goal in
one hundred and five minutes. It was just terrible from them.

(12:00):
Clearly the plan was to try and disrupt Spain, which
they did for one hundred and five minutes. But thankfully
the football gods are smiling down in Spain, who were
clearly the best team today and across the tournament are
the one to win the World Cup. Yeah, and then
after after the whistle of bit of air growing, Yeah,
I don't think Argentina covered themselves with glory today.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
No, did you see did you see Trumpy making a newss?

Speaker 9 (12:20):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (12:20):
My god?

Speaker 3 (12:21):
That man, that man?

Speaker 7 (12:23):
I mean what I mean what what want to fit
a in to an absolute circus ide World Cup off
the field.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Oh yeah, yeah mate. Hey, thank you very much, Justin,
and enjoy your day Justin playing sports sports stalkcoast. All right, listen,
I've got a terrible cough, so I'm going to be
coughing all show. I apologize. Try to keep my hold on,
hold on, try to keep my breathing regular, Try to
do shallow breaths so we can just like without hype
of ventilating, get through the show. Now, let me explain
to you what's going on here with Golden Basement. So

(12:50):
what's happened is we've got the ETS right, the emissions
trading scheme, the ETES is making making cement manufacturing here
is so expensive that it is now cheaper to bring cement.
And so Fletcher were just to shut the whole thing down.
They were like, let's close the shooting box. It's not working,
it's cheaper to bring it in. And so what Nicola
Willis could have done was this is basically Eric Crampton's
argument is she could have tweaked the settings to basically

(13:10):
give them an exemption essentially, or some sort of an
exemption from the ETS in order to make them much
make the making manufacture of cement more cheap. Here she
didn't do that, though, She just gave them sixty million
smackerows because that's the easy thing to do, because obviously
thinking about a more complex you know, fixes difficult, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (13:29):
Now.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Here's the problem. The ETS is making your life and
my life more expensive too. But we don't we don't
have an option, right, we don't have sixty million dollars
coming our way. You pay for the ETS in your petrol,
you pay for the ETS in your power bill. It's
part of the reason those things are expensive. The problem
is the ETS is not working, The auctions are failing
to sell any credits. It will explode. The thing is

(13:49):
going to collapse, some people say within the next ten years.
The Paris Accord, similarly, is going to collapse at some
point when finally everybody realizes America and China are still
emitting and they're not going to try. But until then,
apparently we need to keep playing the game and pretending
that we're doing this thing at enormous cost to you
and I billions and billions of dollars annually. We're wasting
on this pretense that is the choice that they've made. Anyway,

(14:12):
Nicholas with us after six four to twenty four.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
it's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand and the.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Power of satellite mobile news talks.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
There'd be the why does the fruit loop with the
eyebrows Chloe get so much time on your station? What's
wrong with her eyebrows? Well, then she's got nice eyebrows. Anyway,
fruit Loop, I can I'm taking less of fans at
the fruit Loop thing. Anyway, Chloe's on the Chloe's going
to be on the station because it's an election, it's
an election year, na, and it's an election policy. And

(14:45):
so if you want to, you can't say she's a
fruit loop unless you've heard the fruit loopy idea and
judged it. So we're gonna have a listen to the
fruit loopy idea. After five thirty it's the key we
power one. I'll rang you through it and just Deteck
just got to talk you through what's come through. So
it happens to this afternoon, just after basically after post
after cabinet ended, the government put out a press releases.
Chris Bishop and Simon Court from ACT put out a

(15:06):
press release saying that the government's killed off the ability
of councils to carry over those EWI agreements that we've
been talking about a lot in the last week. These
are the Monifucker Horn or art or Hair agreements, because
as you know, a whole bunch of councils have been
just rushing to sign them because the new Ramai legislation
would allow them to carry it over as long as
it's signed beforehand. Governments now said that's finished, not going
to be able to carry it over. This is the

(15:27):
problem though in the press release it says instead councils
will have the option of entering into new narrowly scoped
EWI participation agreements to record how EWE authorities will participate
in statutory planning and processes and processes required to give
effect a key to treaty settlement redress. Now, as you
can imagine there is they've taken away the vast majority.

(15:49):
There's still the ability to do and the devil is
in the detail. So once we've had a look at that,
we'll be able to properly assess it. So for now
it looks becta, but how much better we can't really
say anyway, Chris Bishop, are the five he still z b.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Accountability analysis answers here?

Speaker 3 (16:06):
What matters? It's heather due for celan drive with one
New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile used talk
z BUD.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
The Greens electricity policy actually should have talked about it now.
So what the Greens are proposing to do is set
up a like a New Zealand owned power company. So
this is like a Kiwi bank, but it's for the power.
So it's obviously called because we're completely unimaginative Kiwi power.
What that's going to do is it's going to produce
all of this what they're calling firming power. So it's
going to be there's going to be hydro, and there's

(16:40):
going to be solar, and there's going to be wind,
and there's going to be geo therminals, all the nice
stuff that doesn't hurt the climate. Except the problem with
this one that the problem, as far as I can
see it is that normally power companies make power right.
So we've got what have we got? How many lists
of power companies have we got that the government has
got some sort of an investment is like three or whatever.
They return dividence to the government, right they make money

(17:01):
for the country. This one, though, is going to cost
us about a billion dollars over the projected period. So
quite how we build something to just keep on losing money.
I don't understand. We'll talk to Chloe about it when
she's with us after half past five. Barry, by the way,
has been watching the Prime Minister's post cabinet press conference
this afternoon. He'll be with us shortly. It's twenty three
away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
It's the world wires on news dogs. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
The US has hit Iran with strikes for the ninth
night in a row. Three American service members have been
killed since the fighting started up again. A retired American
naval commander says the US can win this war without
sending in ground troops.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
I think the things that we want to accomplish, which
is to reduce Iran's ability to control the straight of hormones,
can be accomplished with maritime power and with air power.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Over in the States, the Tate brothers have been arrested.
They're facing sexual abuse charges in both Romania and the UK.
Here's a Bedford Ship Police Spokespirst.

Speaker 11 (17:53):
Thirty eight new charges in total have now been authorized
against Andrew and Tristan Tate, bringing the total number of
charge is faced to fifty nine. I can now confirm
that officers from the United States have arrested both Andrew
and Tristan Tate in relation to this matter overnight and
they have been detained depending ongoing legal proceedings.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
And finally, your flo up doomsday prepping has got more
compact than ever. A French startup has unveiled what they
calling the Life Pod. This is a two person pod
that protects its occupants from disasters. Who are going to
take in that person? Two person pod with you? A
who are you going to take in? The makers say
the life pod will keep you safe in a tsunami,

(18:34):
a flash, flood, storm, surge, fire or armed attack. It's
going to set you back fifty New Zealand. I mean
fifty thousand New Zealand dollars. But if you're want a
floating one, that's sixty k.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Oliver Peterson ABC Perth Radio Drive presenters of US ALI
who are you going to take in your two person
life pod my type of wife? You're leaving the children out? Yeah,
I know, I just thought of that. But I can't
choose one over the other, can I? So I'll take her,
but I reckon that little so that two little ones
equal one big one. So it's you and the two
kids and she's on her own, okay.

Speaker 10 (19:09):
Or I just put the two kids in there with
her and I don't go in it.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh No, that is the chivalrous thing to do, Ollie.

Speaker 11 (19:15):
That is.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
You are an Anzac, true Anzac spirit. I love it.
Hey tell you who's not an Anzac though, Barnaby Joyce.
What's he up to?

Speaker 10 (19:25):
Well, i'll tell you what. Everything's unraveling at the seams
for the One Nation leader paul En Hanson, because she's
been obviously spotted over in Italy last week with Gina
right Art having a little holiday and then obviously go
to that fashion show. Then she's been on Tommy Robinson's podcast,
and then nobody really turned up to her big speech
in London. She's actually due to land here in Perth
this afternoon because she's got a big breakfast tomorrow morning,

(19:48):
a big business breakfast which I'll be heading along to
to have a listen. But she's made some comments on
the Robinson podcast about the White Australia policy and the
fact that it all started to unravel when GoF Whitlam
was the Prime Minister in nineteen seventy three, that Australian
immigration issues started under his watch. Now Barnaby Joyce was
quizzed about that this morning on the Sunrise program on
Channel seven, and he's trying to distance himself from the leader.

(20:09):
There's all these other issues at the moment in the
background of this for One Nation, Heather where it is
expected that Pauline Hanson will be making way for her
own daughter, Lee Hanson sometime in the next couple of
years she'll retire. But Barnaby Joyce wants to be the leader.
As I say, everything's just unraveling for One Nation at
the moment, and even though it's very very competitive in

(20:29):
the polls, it really needs to get its house in order.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, it's always the personnel that brings something like this down,
isn't it. Listen what's the problem with the super changes
and how they're going to affect the housing industry.

Speaker 10 (20:40):
Well, this is what the super industry is worried about here,
and today the housing industry released a report that it's
going to force a change to the budgets to the
self managed super funds. They're not going to necessarily be
putting that money towards new home construction. Now there was
an order from the Treasurer Jim Chalmers to the super
funds encourage them to invest in the development of new houses. Concurrently,

(21:02):
we have seen that a lot of investors here in
Australia have decided that they're going to move to buy
brand new homes as a result of the changes the
capital gains and negative gearing. So it seems to be
the perfect storm at the moment, particularly on the property front.
We say that inspections are certainly down in Sydney and
Melbourne in particular, they're not getting as as many feet
through the doors for home opens, and that a number

(21:25):
of properties, particularly going to auction in Sydney and our
being passed in So.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
It's an interesting brief at the moment.

Speaker 10 (21:31):
The Reserve Bank again obviously meets in the coming weeks
and it's probably expected to hold, but we may now
see a rate art. When everybody was talking about the
infrast rates going up once again.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Interesting, Okay, so you're allowed to as long as you're reversing,
you don't have to wear a seat belt. Is that
the law?

Speaker 10 (21:47):
Isn't that weird? I never knew that, but supposedly that
is the law. Maybe's the law in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
But that makes sense because sometimes, like especially when you
were a man, you have to sort of, you know,
put your arm across on the other heat head rest
and really like twist your body back. You can't have
a seat belt holding your body in place.

Speaker 10 (22:05):
True, but I mean, you know, not everyone drives the
Ferrari like you head with all the cameras that just
beet to it, and to turn around at.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
All, Well what do you drive? Do you have to
completely twist yourself around like you're reversing a boat.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
No, I don't.

Speaker 10 (22:17):
I'm fine with it, but I just never thought about that.
But I think, look at it anomaly. No one's really driving,
you know, a couple of hundred meters up the straight
or a kilometer up the street through the revision mirror reversing.
But if there's calls now from road safety experts, we've
got to put our belts on. So maybe they'll change
because they like change.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Sheees we're about to possibly have World War three, but
I'm glad they're worried about seat Belton. Seat Belton reversing.
Got good one. Okay, thanks, olly, appreciate it. Oliver Peterson ABC,
Perth Radio Drive Presenter eighteen Away.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
From five Ever dupless.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
By the way, on that Andrew tater Wrist, I don't
know if you've seen it, but a video's emerged and
he's a clever little guy. Andrew tap. When I say little,
he's massive. He's a clever, massive guy. He tries to
in the video, so it's a video that's been taken
by the US Marshals as they're arresting him. He just
he just taps his minder with his cell phone and
tries to hand a cell phone over. Problem is the
minders are numpty, so it gets dropped, but another guy

(23:09):
steps in and picks up the cell phone. So it's
not clear whether the US Marshals recover the cell phone
or not. But next time you're getting arrested, that's a
good tape. Get rid of the phone so they can't
go through it now. I took the car to Turners
over the weekend because this is what we agreed last week, Right,
we agreed that I'm going to try the turners. That's
what I think we agreed West what I what I decided.
So you've want to I'm gonna tell you about it this, okay,

(23:31):
So I go to Turners. I want to tell your
figures as well as bugger it. Let's go for it.
So I go to Turners and I say to the guy, okay,
I'd like to sell the car, Toget and he takes
it for a drive and he comes back. It's a
soft top. So he goes, oh, yeah, hard to sell
one of those in the winter. Yeah, and it's petrol.
Hard to sell one of those with the Iran crisis
going on, think eight to ten thousand. And I laughed

(23:52):
involuntarily because I look at whatever, like I know what
this car is worth. It's like half of like less
than half of what it's worth. Mate, not don't worry
about it. Don't do that, said, sell it for me
on consignment. Now on consignment you may not realize, but
you have this option at Turners where they will auction
it on your behalf and then they'll take a six
percent cut plus. Like I think it's just like a
three hundred dollars fee or whatever. You know, it's vis

(24:12):
attached to it, but it's not very much at all anyway,
So he said, so they said, okay, go yeah, okay,
we'll sell it for you on consignment. And I said,
how much you reckon it can get and they go on,
nineteen thousand. How funny is that? So at least by
the way, at least so they were offering me eight
to ten for a car that they reckon they can
sell on my behalf of nineteen. I was like, oh,
let's do that. That sounds like a much better deal

(24:34):
for me. Also, how good are they hit business? Say like,
if you didn't know what you were doing, you get
suckered right in by Tina right there. Anyway, wish me
like it's going to go to auction in a few
days time. We'll see how we go. I'll keep you
posted sixteen away from five politics.

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Speaker 2 (24:50):
And we've just got news that Dave Ltelli has step
back from New Zealand Muscle. He says, I've decided, He's
put out a statement, I've decided to step back from
New Zealand Muscle came in with the best of intentions
to help a business front up and fixed things properly.
I realized I can't help it in the way it needs.
The right thing is to be honest about that. I
wish the team well, there are good people working hard
to get it right back to the work I've always done.
Thank you to everyone who backed me. Thirteen away from five,

(25:11):
Barry Sober, Senior political correspondence with us Alo Berry.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
What do you make of those RMA changes?

Speaker 5 (25:17):
Quite incredible when you think from where the RMA has come.

Speaker 12 (25:21):
Ninety ninety one introduced by a law professor Jeffrey Palmer,
one hundred and thirty three thousand words, grew over the
years to.

Speaker 5 (25:30):
More than double that two hundred.

Speaker 12 (25:33):
And sixty thousand words and cumbersome to say the least.
It took years to get projects up and running.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
Yeah, and you're smiling at me because I've got the haircups.
Anybody can tell me how to get rid of their haircups?

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Well, you shouldn't have. You shouldn't have got drunk before
you came on air.

Speaker 12 (25:50):
Oh, but not the two bills that have been introduced
or coming back from the Select Committee. They'll be introduced
and passed before the election.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
So this is very.

Speaker 12 (26:05):
Significant when you consider what a cumbersome piece of legislation
this was. You remember David Parker, one of his last
acts and government he tried to rewhipe right the Act
and come up with came up with nine hundred pages
and of course that never ever saw the light of day.
So now this government has come out and I think,

(26:30):
you know, good on them, because I think they've done
a pretty good job to get where it is. The
main criticism I guess of it is the manna fucker
hornell Horai, and that's the agreement between councils and EWEI.
They basically being done away with all those those that

(26:50):
are existing.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
They will remain in place.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
They won't that's the important thing. They're not going to
carry over anymore. That's what's been killed after.

Speaker 12 (26:58):
Oh I understood that the ones that were there, we're going,
but they won't take any new ones.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
But no, no, And this is what's been contentious in
the last week is that the councils were rushing to sign.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
More ways to carry them increase sevens.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
So today they've killed them off. That you can't carry
them over.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
What the new ones or the old ones.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
The new ones, anyones, anyone?

Speaker 12 (27:15):
Oh, okay, anyway, the bills architect Chris Bishop says that
MARII have got nothing to worry about. In fact, they
have been frustrated with the laborious ram.

Speaker 13 (27:25):
An anyway, Federative Farmers wanted us to get rid of
many agreements, which we've done. But I think most Kiwis,
including Federative Farmers, would accept we aren't going anywhere. That
they are part and parcel of New Zealand life. And
the Crown has for thirty years signed a succession of
legally binding agreements, whether you honest, EWI that we intend

(27:47):
to honor and the system that we are building honors
those agreements. To be honest, we are some of the
biggest users of fust Trek for the reason that they
are as frustrated as anybody else by the structures of
the RMA.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
That's the way I read as well.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
That sounds completely that sounds it sounds incomplete contradiction to
what they've said in the pre statement.

Speaker 12 (28:09):
Well, no, I read it the other way. I read
that the existing ones would remain in place and any
new ones that have suddenly appeared.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Won't be on the old ones, the ones before the bill, Yes,
they get honored. The ones that have been signed in
the hurry cynically by councils are abolished. Interesting carry on.

Speaker 12 (28:29):
So, standing alongside the Prime and Chris Bishop, that was
a Freudian slip. The Prime is to rightly laud the
bill that will replace the RMA before the election.

Speaker 14 (28:40):
Replacing the RMA as one of our government's most important
economic reforms because if we do want more houses, we
want better infrastructure and more affordable energy. We need a
planning system that enables us to make that happen, to
keep part of our wider plan, to make it easier,
to make it faster and more affordable, just to get
on with building infrastructure in this great country. And among
other things, we've introduced fast track and there are now

(29:01):
twenty six projects underway because of that change, with another
fifty five going through the fast track process.

Speaker 12 (29:07):
See, it's incredible when you consider in two and a
half years what other governments, and there have been successive
governments over the years that have tried to reform this
cumbersome act. Finally it's been done, and i'd say take
your head off to them.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Okay, can you really quickly deal with what Jones has
said about Luxeon?

Speaker 12 (29:27):
Yes, well Luxon. He was asked about Shane Jones at
the New Zealand First Annual Conference over the weekend to
get off his knee pads when meeting world leaders, and
that was reference to the warm welcome he extended to
the Indian Prime Minister Mody. He was obviously unimpressed.

Speaker 14 (29:44):
Oh look, I thought that pretty crass and unprofessionally. You
have to ask him what it's actually about. I think actually,
when we're actually presenting his own on the global stage,
it's important that we do a really good job of that.
And you know, as politicians and leaders. Now I get
the fact that they're against the FTA. I think if
you talked a lot of these own first Caucus, you
might find that they're not so much against it. And
I think maybe they spent a bit bit of time

(30:04):
attacking us over the weekend, I observed, and maybe they're
just softening up their supporters for going with labor.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
You never know.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
So it was a quad nice comeback got on them.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Hey, Barry, Apparently what you need to do is look
up at the ceiling and stretch your throat to get
rid of this. Oh, I see it's what reckons. Somebody
else said. Just hold your breath for twenty to thirty seconds.
This is mark.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
I've done all this.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Have you to reset your diaphram? Seconds work? What about
the one where you put a finger in each of
your ears and then you close your nose and you
just you swallow.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
But how do you drink the water?

Speaker 2 (30:36):
No, no, it's no drink of water. What about the
one where you hold your breath and you swallow while
you're holding your breath.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
Yeah, I've done.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Have you done that one?

Speaker 5 (30:42):
I've done most things.

Speaker 12 (30:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Oh, you might be having a heart atta, but.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
It goes away and then it comes back.

Speaker 12 (30:47):
And of course just before I walked into the studio
came back and I had a slur for water before
it's gone.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Okay, well done, Barry Sober seen your political correspondence even
away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
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Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 12 (31:11):
A sporting highlight of the year in the early hours
of this morning is Ryan Fox won the Open at
the Royal Birkdale Marcus Wheelhouse. As as coach.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Did it all change with the sixty two?

Speaker 15 (31:20):
I guess it, yeah, I mean it did. There was
a goal for this year to get into contention for
a major, so the sixty two got brought us that.

Speaker 16 (31:28):
To win.

Speaker 15 (31:28):
Golf flaunts are so hard, and so you know, even
in that position this morning, when we're warming up and
everything else, was just a matter of trying to just
keep things normal, you.

Speaker 10 (31:37):
Know, as much as we could.

Speaker 15 (31:38):
We always knew it was going to get abnormal out
on the golf course. But it's an open, right, so yeah, no, it's.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Greaty back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast
with Baby's Real Estate News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Honestly, people have the weirdest ideas of how to get
rid of hack cups. This Caroline, Carolyn, here, the half
a teaspoon of coconut oil always gets rid of my
hack cups. This one here, the one teas of sugar
takes away the heircups every time. My mum, because my
mum's nutty like you are. My mom goes, oh, Swedish bitters,
you must take the Swedish bitters. She runs, I reckon.
She just has a bottle of Swedish Swedish bitters in

(32:11):
her bottle in her handbag, just for emergencies like haacups,
like all the other thing is also by carbonate of
soda apparently cures everything. According to my mother. I was
surprised that she didn't immediately make up a glass of
bar carbonate of soda when Barry started her cupping. Anyway,
we'll see, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 17 (32:27):
I'm always fond of drinking the glass of water upside
down here that you put the top lip and then
you move your head for it.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
That is always that is a bit like it's one
of those kind of contortion tricks where at the end
of it you managed to somehow do the splits and
a handstandard exactly the same time.

Speaker 17 (32:41):
And sometimes I've still got the heacups, which is really
annoy Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
By the way, if you're looking for a job at
the moment, they need twenty two thousand people to run
the election in a few months time. It's not a
voluntary thing, right, You're gonna get paid. Full training is provided.
You can work full time, part time just to day
if you want to go and do it. You could
do one of those things put the little rosette on.
Oh no, that's a party thing anyway.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
So you apply.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
If you're looking for some work, you think that'd be
fun to have something to do with the election. It
would actually be not half bad, right Chris Bishop on
this business with the Ewie agreements and after that, Bob
Charles on what Ryan Fox has just done. News Talks dB.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplasy Allen Drive with one New Zealand and the power
of satellite mobile news talk.

Speaker 8 (33:30):
Said b evening.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
So Ryan Fox has become the third New Zealand golfer
to win a men's major title, sixty three years after
Sir Bob Charles did it the first time. He also
did what many consider did it at what many considered
to be the biggest of the four tournaments, which is
the Open Championship. Obviously, and Sir Bob watched it today
and he's with.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Us, Bob, Hello, Hello, how are you?

Speaker 2 (33:52):
I'm very well? Thank you? Do you bring back did
it bring back memories for you?

Speaker 8 (33:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (33:57):
Distance memories for sure. I was proud. I didn't watch
it in live and I did watch the fifteen minute
review afterwards, and I feel proud of Ryan and excited
for him for his well for his future, and it's
what his future has made now. But it's a great

(34:21):
day for Brian, it's a great day for New Zealand golf.
I think all New Zealand golfers will be proud of
his effort. And let's hope that it makes a lot
of younger people consider getting into the golf game. It's
a game of a lifetime, the greatest game of all

(34:42):
in my opinion and a lot of other people's opinions too.
They can talk about the beautiful game, we can talk
about the greatest game.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Would you have been as aggressive as he wasn't just
gone for it with the put No.

Speaker 9 (34:55):
I was totally opposite to Ryan and my philosophy. I
was playing safe, safe, safe, and just hit it down
the fairway, hit it on the green and then try
and knock it in the hole. And that was kind
of the game which he was using. But he was
using his power off the tea to advantage. He has

(35:18):
huge distance off the tea. I was only a shorthader
so by comparison to my contemporaries, But he's right up
there with the longest of the long and he's well.
He's already enjoyed a great two years. Last year he
won two tournaments, one of which was the Canadian Open,

(35:40):
and of course now we've got to get him back
here to New Zealand to win a New Zealand Open.
He hadn't been able to play in recent years, but
he can skip a few tournaments now and maybe give
some support to our New Zealand Open down at Millbrook.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
How hard is it to come back and defend the title?

Speaker 9 (36:05):
Well, in golf, the only place you go back and
defend on the same golf course would be augusta National
for the Master is So next year the Open is
that back at the home of Golf and Andrews, which

(36:27):
I think Ryan is pretty familiar with, and it wouldn't
surprise me if he ran.

Speaker 8 (36:36):
Well.

Speaker 9 (36:36):
Of course at Sandrews is built for the longheaders, as
most golf courses are, but a lot of the power
falls are reachable in one at Andrew's. So I would
put some money on him for repeat next year at
s and Andrew's.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Oh brilliant, Hey, will you go well? And thank you
very much for your tim Always appreciated Bob Charles obviously
New Zealand golfing legions. I had a message from Ryan's
dad today. You might know him, guy called Grunt Grant
wants to have a Grant wants to tell me off
for some things I said about rugby. But he decided
today is not the day for it. He's got a
bit of celebrating to do and he should be very

(37:14):
proud of his boy. So fair enough. Five to eleven together,
duplessy Llen right. The government's decided to stop counsels from
rushing to sign ewie agreements that would carry over under
new RMA rules which are you to come in and
made the decision at cabinet today following a week of
controversy last week. Resource Management Reform Minister Chris Bishop is
with us now.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Hi, bish, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
There's a little bit of confusion about this, so lets
you see if we can clarify this. Okay, you're keeping
the agreements that were signed before you started working on
the bill. You're just getting rid of the ones that
the councils have rushed to sign recently.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
No, we're getting rid of all of them.

Speaker 13 (37:47):
So if they were in existence, or if they're being
initiated in the last you know, eight or nine months,
they're all gone.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
So every single one already signed at any point in
the past.

Speaker 13 (37:58):
Gone, yes, gone yes. We Kebinet has agreed today that
the ones that were in existence when the bill started,
there's eight of them, they're gone. And the ones that
have been initiated and agreed since and there's dozens of them,
they're gone to.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Okay, but then why are you replacing them with new ones?

Speaker 13 (38:16):
Well, we're replacing them with a thing called EWE participation agreements,
which is designed to reflect treaty settlement obligations between EWE
and councils. For example, So the government's signed, you know,
for the last thirty years, the Crown has signed treaty
settlements with a range of EWI and they give those
settlements and these are in law now. They give EWE

(38:37):
a range of different participatory rights through planning instruments right now.
And so this is a way of streamlining exactly how
that works. So the EWE participation agreements that we're putting
in place in the new legislation will be voluntary.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
They won't be.

Speaker 13 (38:54):
Obliged as is the case in the RAM at the
moment with the man of fucker agreements. So they'll be
voluntary between EWE and councils, and you know some will
be signed no doubt, and we'll won' and see how
that goes.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Why do you need.

Speaker 13 (39:07):
Them because of the treaty sentiment obligations? So for example,
there's a there's a range of different requirements depends on
where you are and what you're talking about. But it
might be, for example, in a spatial plan, the law
says that the law says this right now, and there
will be a version of it in the new law.
The law says that council should map areas that are

(39:30):
significant to Maori, so old par sites for example, or
burial grounds, or areas that are of particular cultural significance
to the local EWE. The law rightly says, well, we
want to protect those. Well how do you do that?
Will you go and talk to the local EWI. And
so you need a mechanism to actually enable that to happen.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
So is it not possible to actually work together without
signing an agreement.

Speaker 13 (39:51):
Well, it's not that it's not impossible to do that,
and that happens to some extent. Now, it's just that
this is a sort of a way of formalizing exactly
how that happens. So it might be things like, you know,
we're going to meet every quarter to sit down and
talk about it. Or it might be that here are
the people.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Who fair enough. But what it will do, it will
it will formalize co governance at council level.

Speaker 13 (40:11):
Right, it's not it's not co governance and and I
would reject that excellently. Well, I would call it participation
in the planning system.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
That's a much better name.

Speaker 13 (40:21):
Well, it's but but it is, But it is literally
what it says on the tin right, which is wee
ewe and hapu and local manifen do have a role
in the planning system because I think most New Zealanders
listening would want the planning system to protect sites of
significance to Maori. They'd want us to protect Maryland, for example.
There's been enough alienation in Maryland over the years, so

(40:43):
they'd want us to protect that. And so the question
is how you go about doing that in a streamlined
way in the system where you don't have co governance
and you don't have broad cultural rights that are asserted
that which is what we've seen at the moment, and
so this is a much more streamline, narrow way of
doing it.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Strike these agreements because the devil's in the detail. Is
it out there.

Speaker 18 (41:06):
Yet in the coming week?

Speaker 13 (41:07):
So no, no, no, we're going to move an amendment paper
to the bills when they come back into the Parliament
of the next few weeks.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
All right, we'll have a look at that, Haybush, thank
you very much for the time appreciated, Chris Bishop, the
resource management reformulist. So they can call it what they want.
It's going to end up co governance. It's co management
co governance, right, it's the same thing, different name. Anyway.
Next up we're going to have to deal with the
poop pipe and all clin it's a really big deal.
The interceptors open, which means that we shouldn't get any
more poop on the beaches at summer. Yay, So standby.
We'll have a chat about that next with watercare quarter past. Now,

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Speaker 3 (42:27):
For Sea Lan on the.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Chris Bishop thing, I feel like I should be excited
about this because this is what I wanted right and
he has done the right thing. This is what I
said last week. They need to do. They need to
kill off these agreements being able to carry over under
the new RMA law and trouble as you go yay
on one hand. On on the other hand, you go, ah,
but look there's a new agreement. What does it mean anyway,
We'll get to the huddle on that one. Nineteen past five.

(42:48):
Now Auckland's big po pipe is finally finished seven years,
one point six six billion dollars. The Central Interceptor is
now entirely operation Jamie operational. Jamie Sinclair is Watercare's chief executive. Hi,
jam oh, Hi, what are you going on? But what
was that?

Speaker 18 (43:03):
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
You're more than welcome. What are you doing to celebrate?

Speaker 18 (43:07):
Oh, we've had a great occasion this morning. It was yeah,
to really recognize and acknowledge the significant achievement that's been
realized through the livery of the Central Intercept. Is it like,
did you have those milestone projects.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Like sausage rolls in the morning times?

Speaker 18 (43:23):
No, we had. We had a bit of a few speeches,
some lovely, some lovely congratulations and a few nice videos
just demonstrating the history of the project and all the
work people that's been involved.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yes, mate, I would have thought at least one drink
was allowed to celebrate this one. Now, now explain to
me the significance because this does this mean we will
no longer have summers in Auckland where we are warning
people not to go in the water because there's poop.

Speaker 18 (43:48):
The Central Interceptor is a big step in the right
direction and that in that regards hither we are. What
it does is it creates basically a new backbone for
our waistwater system and will over time really reduce those
overflows that are occurring into our into our harbors. So
you'll see clean of water, waterways, clean of beaches, you know,
few of those overflows and few of those black pins.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Ultimately, now we shouldn't have any, Jamie. So what do
we need to get rid of all the pool and
the water in summer.

Speaker 18 (44:16):
Yeah, we've got a We've got a huge program heather
to work on that. We've got our Central Interceptor is
a big part of that. But it's not the end solution.
So we are adding in projects to the central interceptor
which will which will enable it flows from other parts
of Auckland to come into the Central interceptor to reduce
those overflows. So it's it's it's going to take.

Speaker 5 (44:38):
Time, how long, but we've made it.

Speaker 18 (44:40):
We've made a huge step forward. Look over time, the
central Interceptor itself and the adjoining infrastructure and the tunnels
that will be connected in to this you know, usually
Thod's largest wastewater tunnel, sixteen point two kilometers long, will
will reduce significantly those overflows. So you'll be seeing within
that central western area and eighty percent reduction overflows.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
So how long how long do we have to wait
before we don't have any more pooh spills in the harbor?

Speaker 18 (45:08):
Look the nature of our network in our system, it's
it's it is an old system, and we do have
parts of it that are combined with the stormwater network.
So when there is lots of rain, the stormwater does
get into our wastewater system and that does generate overflows.
So we're working towards both separating our wastewater and our
stormwater system, but also working on things like the central Interceptor,

(45:31):
which is really about capturing those flows before they enter
the environment and then sending them down and getting processed
safely at our treatment plants.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Okay, Jamie, thanks very much, man, appreciate it and enjoy
your celebrations. Jamie Sinclair Watercare Chief Executive. That that's a
you've still got poo on the beaches at summer? Answer,
isn't it?

Speaker 1 (45:51):
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Speaker 1 (46:03):
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Speaker 2 (46:10):
Be And how funny was that no matter how many
words came out of Jamie's mouth, he didn't answer your
question about how long before there's no poo in the water.
And you know what's really funny about is that we
all noticed that. So that strategy it doesn't work with
it five to twohy five. Now listen, you know I'm
a huge fan of New Zealand gas. But when I
heard New zealand first policy of spending a billion dollars
to map at our reserves, I couldn't do anything but
roll my eyes. Shane Jones and Winston Peters are not stupid.

(46:33):
They know this is a waste of money because what's
it for. It's a billion dollars, which is a huge
amount of money to find out where the oil and
gas in this country is, presumably in order that we
may finally lure back the investors or come back and
drill it out for us. We don't need to convince
the end We don't need to do this mapping. We
don't need to convince the investors that there's gas out there.

(46:54):
We know that there's gas out there. For example, there
is gas in the Pegasus prospect. We're talking like something
like eight to nine trillion cubic feet of gas, which
is a massive fine. We know there's a huge amount
of gas out there. The problem for the investors is
not that there's no gas. The problem for the investors
is that we have elections every three years and at
some point the nutty labor and the Greens guys are

(47:15):
going to be back in power and they're going to
shut this industry down all over again, because they keep
on saying they're going to shut this industry down again.
So really, it doesn't matter how much oil and gas is
out there, No sane investor is going to come and
spend billions of dollars in this country building new infrastructure
that will take years to get up and running. If
it's just going to be shut down by the lefties
before that investor actually even manages to draw out an

(47:35):
extra pedidule, that's the problem. A billion dollars is not
going to fix labor in the Greens. For the record,
New Zealand First are part of this problem. They themselves
are part of the problem. Right They can paint themselves
as the solution right now. But we all remember Shane
Jones was up on that stage with Jasinda and James
Shaw when they announced the ban. He didn't stop the ban.

(47:56):
He voted for the ban at cabinet level. He went, yes,
let's ban it. When they said should we ban it,
he said yes, let's ban it. Let me get up
on stage and announce that for you. So he can
say now that he supports the industry, but an investor
will look at him and go, you'll not trustworthy. A
billion dollars does not fix that, does it.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Shane Jones together, Duplessylan.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Now I've got to tell you something really cool. Bunnings
is going to do that. The Bunnings is going to
sell DIY granny flats. So if you're thinking you want
to stick a granny flat out the back of your property,
this is and this looks really cool. By the way,
It's not a stink one. It's a kit set, like
a modular thing from an Australian outfit called Elsewhere Pods.
And they do like just one little room that fits
a double bed and like maybe a couch all the
way through to you can lock these things and together

(48:40):
build a double story house if you want to. And
you're looking at maybe thirty to fifty thousand dollars for
a pod. Anyway, they're going to be with us in
an hour's time after half past six. Next up though
the Greens on Energy. I know we're going to talk
to them about Kiwi power stand by new storm zbet
out cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
It's Heather Dupleicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand and
the power of Satellite Mobile used talks.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
That'd be.

Speaker 19 (49:13):
Right up five.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Nicola Willis is with us after six o'clock. I want
to talk to Nicolas about I'm already getting texts about
it and we did discuss it at the start of
the show. The golden based cement bailout. I hate it,
so we'll talk to her after sex about that. I
need to tell you we're first, yes, yes, How good
are you feeling? You made it through the school holidays people?
First ay of kindy today, got a yarn for you
about kindy, So stand by for that we'll get to

(49:36):
it before six. In the Huddler standing by, it's twenty
five away from six now. The Greens have released their
energy policy heading into the election. It includes the establishment
of Kiwi Power, which is a taxpayer funded power company
focused on bringing prices down and speeding up electrification. Chloe
Swobrick is obviously co leader of the Greens. Hig Chloe, okay,
how are you. I'm very well, thank you. Now, how
is it that you're setting up a power company when

(49:57):
all the other power companies are returning a dividend. The
one that you're going to set up is going to
cost a billion dollars to run.

Speaker 16 (50:03):
So what this does is address the dry year problem,
which suddenly in US we have a consensus on across Parliament. However,
the coalition government seeming solution is to throw an extra
billion dollars plus at an LNG import facility, which we
can find not one independent expert or economist or even
their own official government advisors that agree that it's actually

(50:25):
a good idea. What Queupower will do is fill that
gap which has been identified by the Lakes of the
OECD and the Frontier Report here at home, which says
that the major barrier to us establishing a resilient and
secure local energy system and one that's affordable is that
firming or backup power. So qpower is all about filling

(50:46):
that gap and creating that renewable energy generation which the
private market has clearly failed to be.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Okay, So am I right in thinking this. What you're
doing is you're creating a whole lot of extra generation.
That's what's costing us.

Speaker 16 (50:58):
It's creating something called firming, which effectively is the power
that kind of rumbles on in the background and is constant.
So think about it, the likes of our hydro or
our geosermal assets. So these are the kinds of investments
that are necessary for sake of creating that secure and
resilient energy system. And you can, if you wanted to
pull the trigger and take it from fossil fuels. But

(51:20):
fossil fuels are a bit of a ticking time bomb.
It's kind of a process of continuing to feed the beast,
and each time you do so, you get to restart
the clock on that time bomb countdown timer. But ultimately,
the Greens have always proposed that we need to diffuse
the damn bomb, which is where renewable energy generation comes in,
and that's precisely the point of keep without Again.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Now you're going to pay for it with the wealth tax,
but you're not going to get the wealth tax over
the line. So if you can't get the wealth tax
over the line, you can't get this over the line.

Speaker 15 (51:47):
Right.

Speaker 16 (51:48):
Well, let's be really clear about the fact. What we're
proposing here is a policy package which not only alongside
Kiwi power, will also allow for more community owned generation
and for on household's roofs all across this country. That
package will cost approximately three billion dollars. And let's not
forget that that is precisely the same price tag that

(52:09):
was attached to this government's landlord tax cuts, which it
managed to find down the back of the couch. The
fact of the matter is whether politicians can always find
money for things that are priorities. And we cannot see
any higher priority the selection than on renewable, affordable energy
generation that secures our resilience, lowers household bills and also

(52:30):
make sure that we protect jobs into the future.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, listen, I remain confused about something, okay, which is
that you're proposing to use solar and wind for firming power,
are you No.

Speaker 16 (52:42):
The solar is not for firming power, nor is the wind.
It is hydro and it is geothermal, which are.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
So are you proposing to build another hydro dam?

Speaker 16 (52:52):
There is the potential that hydro can be explored, and
I think this is also something really important to understand.
What we're looking at is not just we are learning
from history in terms of where you know, in the
past future previous generations have invested our collective resources and
building infrastructure that has formed the basis of our energy system,
which unfortunately two national governments have sold off the parts.

(53:14):
But anyway, putting that to one.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
See where where would where? Where would you put another dam?

Speaker 16 (53:19):
So this is where it's important to realize that what
we're doing is not the same kind of fink big
projects that we did back in the Maldoon era. There
is the opportunity for a lot of micro kinds of projects,
the likes of super geo thermal and of course for
hydro projects. But this is also where I think it's
important to understand that the kinds of controversial projects that
are currently being pushed through against community will are the

(53:43):
kinds of projects that happen on a piecemeal basis when
you do not have a national plan or a body
that is charged with looking at the most rational, evidence
place based places to put these projects. So I actually
think the politicians need to get out of the way
and charge an entity up that is capable of looking
across the entire country at what makes the most sense
for with regard to return on investment for renewable energy generation,

(54:05):
because ultimately this is not just green logic, this is
economic common sense.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
All right, Chloe, thanks very much, mate, appreciate a Chloe Swarbrick,
Green's co leader twenty away from six The.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
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Speaker 2 (54:21):
True, Arson Cherson, Willis PR Joe Spagani, Child Fund Chief
Executive on the Huddle. Hire you two, hullo. Both of
you are kind of giggling your way through that. Why
are you giggling? Giggling?

Speaker 20 (54:29):
Well, okay, let's start with the stuff that's good. I
think it's I think the idea of bringing in more
competition is good. So that's about bringing in new generators,
new retailers.

Speaker 21 (54:39):
And so on.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Right.

Speaker 9 (54:40):
Good.

Speaker 20 (54:41):
I actually like the idea of key we power, because
I think not how else do you balance the need
for confidence in supply, confidence in price, and also we
just need more generation as well. But the stuff that's
making both of us giggle is the idea that you
can build a whole lot of renewables and just completely

(55:01):
ignore the science that you do still need back up
to be either gas or coal. And we're going to
be in that reality for a while. So the greens
can wish it away as much as they want and
wander down the garden with the fairies, but in the end,
they can't ignore the science. And they might desperately want
us to be one hundred percent renewable, but you have

(55:22):
to look at the reality. And the reality is when
we know wind solar, the wind doesn't blow, the sun
doesn't shine, you don't have it. So the firming and
she kept getting that wrong too. The firming is the backup,
and the backup has to be something you can wind
up or wind down. So you can't do that with geothermal.
It's a constant, right, she said, stuff that rumbles along

(55:43):
wall and the only thing you can do is gas
or coal for that at the moment. Now that technology
may change and so on. You'd be far more credible
if you took that reality on board as a Green
Party leader and said we're going to work towards fully
renewable when we can, when the technology allows. At the
moment we can't, So here's how we're going to do it.
So some good stuff there, but some stuff that's just absolutely.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Incredible, not in a good way. True.

Speaker 22 (56:11):
I'm just I've run this through my own common sense
evaluator and it's come out with a big so number
one in the same breadth. As Chloe was announcing all
of this, her quote of the day was gas belongs

(56:31):
in the museum. So to Josie's point, they just don't
understand fundamentally how our power and energy system works, especially
when we have potentially when we're looking down the barrel
next year of a very dry year with al Nino. Secondly,
how to fund this, And this is one of my
big bug bears over the weekend and today with this

(56:54):
announcement and with New zealand first announcement, once again we
have politicians standing out up and saying to taxpayers, we
want to spend a billion dollars of your money so
that this Green's policies billion dollars. New Zealand firsts, you know,
a billion dollars map paying wand gaping is a billion dollars.
What they are saying to taxpayers is we want a

(57:16):
billion dollars of your money to pay for our own
cockups to Actually that is the cost of mistakes of
politicians on the past, and not only mistakes of politicians
in the past, but in the case of New Zealand First,
mistakes that that party themselves made and when they stood
up and supported the oil and gas band. So overall
it's a big fail for me. And I think while

(57:39):
you might think there are some good things in this,
like I am really into I'm into more soul in
New Zealand, that's fine. But when you have the fundamentals
of a policy like this so wrong, I just simply
can't support it.

Speaker 20 (57:51):
Can I just say too that they've said the cost
of this at an around about a billion or nine
hundred and thirty million over a certin number of years.
Now they're talking about building another dam. Let's not forget that.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Like a microdam. Micro dams, So is it like a
water tank?

Speaker 12 (58:06):
What is that?

Speaker 20 (58:07):
That is trish that is raising the level of like
Topoor or like Manipura or something like that. Right, And
they're not being honest about that because we we're maxed
out on hydro.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
We're maxed out.

Speaker 20 (58:17):
So and if they were going to do another dam,
well that's I mean Lake Onslow. Okay, there's a big project,
not a many little tank, but thirty billion dollars, not
one billion, thirty billion. I differ on the end zet
first stuff. I actually think I've got a different view
in that.

Speaker 22 (58:32):
But not only that, on the hydro dam. Can you
imagine green supporters supporting any kind of new hydro project,
even if it was the size of a postage stamp.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I'm not going to support it.

Speaker 20 (58:44):
Not about the snails.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
What about the snails and the silt the silt might
blow at people. Hey, I want to hear what you
think of the New Zealand First plan. Let's come back
and take it. We'll just take a really quick break
quard or two.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International real Team, the
only truly global.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Brand for sixty Back with the Huddle. Trisuerison and Josie Beginny. Right, Josie,
what do you make of the mapping for a billion dollars.

Speaker 20 (59:04):
Well, I think it is necessary, and I think it's
partly acknowledging, and they're acknowledging they got it wrong, right.
Shane Jones is acknowledging that he shouldn't have stood up.
They looked bleoming awkward when he did, when he stood
next to Justindo O Doner.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
This is what But this is what I hate the
most about it is he Bloddy Will knew he shouldn't
have done it, and did it anyway because he horse traded.

Speaker 20 (59:21):
Something and shame on him for that, and so he
will do that again. Well he's but I think this
is you know, it's the it's the John oh god
who Milk Keynes not mil Ken's god? Whom am I
talking about? Economist Yeard Keene said, you know of events change,
I changed my mind and I think that's exactly what.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Now, Explain to me, what are you've done? We need
to spend a billion dollars on mapping gas. We already
know this gas. We know these eight to nine trillion
cubic meters and peggas is and they're not and people
aren't coming back.

Speaker 20 (59:50):
They're not coming back because they haven't had a government
that said, yep, we are actually going to.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Because we had a game put up to hundred million
dollars for and still didn't bring them back.

Speaker 20 (01:00:01):
Yeah, but they need to see that continuousy and they
need to see investment from a government.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Which Josie the billion dollars doesn't fix the fact that
when Meghan gets back in in Labor and Chloe from
the Greens, they shut this all down again. It doesn't
fix the problem.

Speaker 20 (01:00:14):
I don't think that we'll end up there though, because
I think times have changed and we've had the war
in Iran, we've had straight up homos close up. People
are feeling they understand the risks and the trade offs
that you pay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
But we see it has Megan don't because I'm glad
that you feel like that, You'll not Meghan Woods. Has
Meghan Woods said Okay, next time we have to go
with we're not going to.

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
Do the band.

Speaker 20 (01:00:36):
But one thing that the Labour Party does really well
is focus group, right, and they're going to focus group
the hell out of something like that, and they're going
to find that people are actually supportive of as you say,
Trish YEP, more renewable solo win YEP. Let's do it,
but an acknowledgment that you need to have the firming
up be gas or coal, and it's not going to
be biofuls. Let's just call biofuels what they.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Are, charcoal. You're not going to run the country or charge.

Speaker 20 (01:01:00):
So I just think that the public mood has changed, Heather,
And I don't think if labor ged and I don't
think they get away with suddenly shutting down gas.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
And I love your confidence. I don't have as much well.

Speaker 22 (01:01:11):
And also I think this is back to so taxpayers
we asked to pay a billion dollars because times times
have now changed, and I think it's completely legitimate as
a politician. We want politicians who listen and change their minds.
What is not legitimate is rewriting your own role in history.
And I feel that's what New Zealand first see.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
That's true.

Speaker 20 (01:01:34):
If you change your mind, you've first got to acknowledge
that you got it wrong the first time, and go, yep,
I stood up there and I was bloody uncomfortable and
shouldn't have done it, and now I'm fixing it.

Speaker 22 (01:01:44):
And also what we haven't seen here, and this is
a long line of headline policies from New Zealand. First,
once again, we're talking about it twenty four hours later,
so good good on them for that, But there is
no cost benefit analysis on spending this billion dollars. What
else could we do in terms of our resilience and
energy supply for that money. The claim about Norway, I

(01:02:06):
think is incorrect because Norway had a lot of other
fundamentals when it really turned on its own oil and
gas supply, notwithstanding the fact that they knew what was
there and it was ready to go. I do not
think the government should be risking taxpayers money in this.

(01:02:27):
Those oil companies around the world who in gas companies,
they have got huge amounts of money. And once again
I think if I were even you know, listening to
us here, if I were in an international company, I go, well,
the one thing that I cannot bank on is that
the political wins won't change again. And so I think
this requires if I were going to put money in

(01:02:50):
and come back to New Zealand, I would want to
know that across those big major parties at least so
you had a durable consensus. If I invest my money here,
I'm going to have the time.

Speaker 20 (01:03:00):
Frame, but you get a ritable consensus through the political
debate and mechanism, right, And that's why I think depending
on what happens in the election, that if if if
New Zealand first get enough votes, or if there's a
coalition again comes back in and it's on the back
of saying we're going to let industry come in and
we're going to let we're going to drill for gas,

(01:03:21):
then then they'll come back, right. And if you look
at Australia, why are they richer than us? They save
more money and they mind their minerals and their and
their gas.

Speaker 22 (01:03:30):
And but they've done that consistently. They have they have
never had a government like we had who just suddenly
and remember how suddenness was.

Speaker 20 (01:03:36):
I don't think they do that again, though, Trish, I
don't think they get away.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
With it again. Well, but but that's pretty point.

Speaker 22 (01:03:42):
Yeah, we've but we have been so on and off
and I just think that that oil and Gas band,
to me was one of the most shocking things for
business and investment.

Speaker 20 (01:03:51):
And tell you what's shocking is that halftime show at FIFA.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Right, that's when these girls start talking about sport. You know,
it's absolutely time to tap out Trusherson, Josepeganni the Huddle
This evening, seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
It's the Heather Too for see allan Drive full show
podcast on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk zeb.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Heather Well said, Ree said, Trishury, Winnie and Jones rewriting history,
and I think we're all starting. I think the more
I would have stayed away from that if I was
them when they were releasing their policies, just not said
too much about the oil and gas thing, because if
you start throwing heaps of money at it, we're all
going to be reminded of the day of the stage. Anyway,
I said, I was going to tell you about what
was going on with the first a Kendy five. It's
five away from six. So it turned up to Kendy

(01:04:34):
today and we had to have a bit of a
chat about medications and stuff because the little guy has
seasoned elasma, so he gets asthma when there's pollen in
the air. So he's got to have an inhaler at
the kindy and so they said, oh, listen, there's been
a rule change about administering, you know, the medications at kindy,
and they said, we're going to need you to, because
it used to be the case in the previous terms

(01:04:55):
that at the start of term you had to review Yes,
does the boy still need the inhale? Yes, he still
needs the inhaler. Okay, fantastic. We just quickly fell out
this paperwork. And then every time they give the inhaler
at kindy, they'd have to tell me, and then I'd
have to sign a little thing and say yes, I
acknowledge that you've done that. That was basically extent of it.
They said, the rules have changed because David Seymour has
slashed the ece red tape. And now what we need

(01:05:16):
to do is we need you to come in please, Heather,
and we need you. We need to get all the
teachers together, and we need you to hold a session
and teach them how to use the inhaler. I shit,
you not, I have to teach the teachers how to
use an inhaler. Some of those teachers are athmetics. So
I'm going to be I'm not an asthmatic, so I'm
gonna be like shake it. And I'd be like, lord,
she's got a terrible technique. But I said, so I

(01:05:39):
got I called David Seymour's office and I was like, dude,
what the hell, what are you doing? And they go, oh, yeah,
we did, we did, we changed, the rules have changed.
The recent amendment clarified that this information, training, and instruction
may be provided by the child's parent or family, or
by an appropriate health professional. So yes, so I mean
we had to Obviously I didn't have to do it.

(01:05:59):
We could have got the doctor, could have got the
doctor to come down the road and he just had
to use it inhaler. Anyway, now it seems to be
that it comes back to some sort I'm assuming it
all comes back to workplace health and safety. And these
people don't want to be you know, administering the inhaler
and the wrong way, like maybe trying to force it
up his nose holes or something like that, and they're

(01:06:19):
get in trouble. So they need me to teach them.
But listen, enormously mum, mum of two, enormously disappointed today
because I'm here for the red tape cutting a cat.
I love it. I want to cut all of the
red tape that we possibly can. But what we have
here is an example of one set of dumb rules
being replaced by an arguably more dumb rule am I right?

(01:06:40):
This is stupid anyway. They've said if the service provider
is identified to us, we'd like to talk to them.
So I'm going to go to the candy in ars
them if they want to talk to David Seymour's office.
See if we can fix this for everybody in the country.
It's the least we can do. Nikola Willis is with
us next.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Up, what's down? What were to make your call and
how will it affect the economy?

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
The big business questions on the Business hour where the
Heather dup cl and MAS insurance and investments, your futures
in good hands us talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Even in coming up in the next hour Shane solely
on the fullback in investment markets. We'll have a chat
after half past six to elsewhere pods. These are the
people making the flat pack granny flats that will be
sold at Bunning's very cool. You need to hear this.
And then Gavin gray is with us out of the
UK on day one of Andy Burnham's premiership right now
at seven pass six and Nicola will As Finance Ministers
with us high Nikoler Hi that okay? Instead of giving

(01:07:36):
sixty million dollars to golden base ement. Why didn't you
just tweak the ETS to help.

Speaker 19 (01:07:40):
Them, because that would have undermined the whole ETES and
the integrity of that scheme. So instead, what we have
done is we've recognized they face high emissions costs relative
to international competitors. We've assessed the finances of that, and
ultimately what we judged was, it is going to be

(01:08:01):
bad for New Zealand if we lose the domestic ability
to manufacture cement here at home. That would expose us
to global supply chain risks and it would mean that
once that factory closed down, it would never be opening again,
and we could find our whole economy coming to a
standstill if we were unable to import cement at some

(01:08:22):
point in the future. So it's a reluctant step that
we've taken. It's not a decision we took lightly, but
ultimately we judged this was the best way to keep
cement being manufactured here in the NZ.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
How would your tweak have undermined the ETS.

Speaker 19 (01:08:37):
Well, if we had said, actually no, if the ETS
doesn't apply to you, golden based cement, conger, well, there
could have been a conger line of others who would
have said, hey, we don't want the ets either.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
That wasn't your only option. I mean, currently you give
free allocation of units to all of these companies. In
any case, you could simply have changed the settings, changed
the algorithm to increase the free allocation.

Speaker 19 (01:09:02):
You are right that there is an industrial allocation regime
that applies to Golden Basement and a range of other companies.
What we were reluctant to do was to make a
bespoke intervention to change the allocation for one firm because
we then knew that all of the other firms who
are part of that regime would say, hah, that regime
doesn't apply anymore. There are going to be changes, and

(01:09:23):
it would have undermined the yield.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Again, that wasn't your own people, That wasn't your only option.
You could have changed the algorithm for everybody.

Speaker 19 (01:09:32):
You are correct, And we weighed up a range of options,
and we judged that ultimately, the way to minimize the
risk to the taxpayer, to maintain the integrity of the
emissions trading scheme, and to do this in the least
cost way possible was to do the sixty million dollar
grant approach with the very strict conditions that we've set. Yes,

(01:09:53):
we meant that a range of options before we came
to that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Explain to me how changing a regulatory setting, which is
just you just changed the allocations that you're giving to
various companies, how's that more expensive than sixty million dollars
to Fletcher.

Speaker 19 (01:10:07):
Because then we wouldn't necessarily just be changing it for Fletcher,
we would be changing the obligations for a range of
other firms and therefore taking on costs that they should
more properly take on themselves, because actually they're already able
to meet those costs. They're not producing goods which are
of such strategic importance as cement, they're not as globally

(01:10:27):
exposed to trade disruption as cementas but we'd be getting
them all in the same basket and having to pay
for all of them when actually this is a bespoke,
one off case, and we took a case by case
approach rather than making a generic change to the regular case.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Yeah, tell me what you think of the ETS, because
I'm looking at the ETS. It's adding cost to my
power bill, your power bill out, you know, the petrol
that we use to drive the cars. It's also failing
at the auction level. It is driving businesses out of
business where they literally have to come and ask you
for money. And it's not the first business asking government
for me because of the ETS. Is this system working

(01:11:02):
or do we need to scrap it?

Speaker 19 (01:11:04):
Well, the ETS is adding cost. And let's be clear,
New Zealand's international obligations to reduce our emissions, in fact,
our domestic legal obligations to reduce our missions come with
a cost. That is reality. In the absence of an
emissions trading scheme, which essentially says to firms, look, if

(01:11:26):
you're going to use really high carbon ways of doing
your business, that's going to cost you more. We prefer
you to find lower carbon alternatives and that'll cost you less.
In the absence of having a price signal, we do
not think that firms would face good incentives to reduce
their emissions and New Zealand would not be able to meet.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
True.

Speaker 19 (01:11:44):
But then all the obligation, which would.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
They come great to you about it and you go,
let me give you sixty million dollars to help you
get around your climate obligations.

Speaker 19 (01:11:52):
That is the precedent risk we were very very conscious
of and we looked into this case as an exceptional example,
and we went through three steps. One, this is quite
different in that it is strategically so important that you
can produce cement for your domestic economy that you're not
exposed to not being able to have cement if there

(01:12:12):
was an international trade disruption. Two, the financial case here
is that actually this is a business that is working
over all. The key thing is just that emission's cost.
And Three, we've set in place some really firm requirements
that Golden Bay need to meet in order to get
this cash, with clawbacks if they don't meet those requirements,
and that includes keeping production going through to at least

(01:12:34):
twenty forty, making one hundred and fifty million dollars worth
of investments in that manufacturing capability, keeping the jobs at
that factory going, and having an open book exercise with
us the government, so that we can order that investment.
So we set a very high bar. We took a
very case by case approach. Believe you me, I did
not want to be setting a precedent that we're going

(01:12:55):
to keep doing this.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Okay, Hey, what do you think of David Seymour's idea
of banning smartphones for kids?

Speaker 19 (01:13:03):
That one really caught me by surprise because I've got
four kids and I can tell you they're accessing social
media on their laptops, on their school computers, on their iPads,
And the idea that if they just didn't have a
smartphone they would no longer be social media hard seemed
a bit far fetched to me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
No, and that's a fair point that you make, But
you and I both know, I mean, don't you agree
with me that it's more addictive on your phone, right,
because your phone's in your pocket, so it doesn't matter
where you go. You're sitting on the toilet, you pick
up your phone, you go to the doctors waiting in
the waiting room, you pick up the phone. It's everywhere.
Whereas the laptop is far less compulsive.

Speaker 19 (01:13:37):
Well, I don't know. You obviously haven't met my teenage son.
I think he finds the laptop pretty compulsively exciting as well. Yeah,
but look, parents do have a range of choices here,
and you know, suddenly in my family, we limited access
to smartphones until the kids were a bit older, and
we impose limits on how they use the thing with

(01:13:58):
social media, though, is it's really different for parents to
police whether or not kids have a social media app
on their phone and whether they're using it, And we
want to give parents more tools, more ability to know
that their kids are safe when they are online, and
in particular, we want to put the burden back on
the tech companies themselves to say, look, if you're going
to be providing these products, you need to have some controls,

(01:14:20):
you need to limit the harm. Which here's the bit
I agree with David on what he's acknowledging is social
media use by kids is creating harm. That's not really
up for debate. So how do we limit it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
So are you still doing a band? Are you guys
still working on a social media ban?

Speaker 19 (01:14:36):
Erica Stanford is working on that and she expects to
have announcements to make in the next few weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Is it a ban?

Speaker 23 (01:14:44):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:14:45):
What?

Speaker 19 (01:14:45):
No, What she's looking at is age restrictions and restrictions
so that the tech companies minimize the harm that can
occur for young people online.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Is it a ban under certain ages?

Speaker 19 (01:14:58):
She is looking at how you strict people under the
age of sixteen from using it and how you minimize
the harms of it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Why have you backed away from a ban?

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
Well?

Speaker 19 (01:15:08):
No, that that is exactly what she's looking at. But
she's also going broader, which is to say, one, how
do you stop kids under sixteen using it? But two,
how do you make sure that the tech companies are
actually managing the impacts of.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
It because it's a band themselves.

Speaker 19 (01:15:24):
Yes, she's looking at banning it for under sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Oh good, okay, I mean start nicoler, and then we
wouldn't have spent a minute of me asking you if it's.

Speaker 19 (01:15:32):
A ban I thought you were implying a van that everyone. No, no,
sixteen is what she's like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
No, thank god, No, I still want to be able
to look at all that weird stuff. Hey, thank you, appreciated.
Look after yourself, Nichola Willis finance minister. Hey, that's called
talking past each other. Ah, how many marriages do that?
Sixteen past six?

Speaker 12 (01:15:48):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Shall I do the numbers? Have you got the numbers?

Speaker 18 (01:15:50):
Ends?

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Got the numbers? Oh you, thank you? There they are. Okay,
here we go ends at X fifty flat, very flat,
up zero point zero one percent today for l at
a sx fifty flat down zero point zero five percent.
So far today barrel of Brent oil is now cost us.
Now we've got a nine in the front ninety one
US dollars. That's up three percent. Today, one New Zealand
dollar is worth fifty nine US CNS eighty four Ozzie

(01:16:12):
sens fifty one euros since forty three. UK pencer ninety five,
Yen Shane solely next sixteen pas six. Either the emissions
trading scheme is a global scam, let's throw it in
the bin. Will be absolutely fine if we did, the USA,
China and India won't care well. Simon, I kind of
I agree with you, but I disagree with you on that,
which is, we can't be the first ones to do
it because it will damage our brand. Right If it's
New Zealand scraps, it's climate scheme will be headlines all

(01:16:34):
over the world. The Guardian will go nuts on that,
and then all the UK lovies who think that they're
eating like premium products from us will be like, ah,
this is planting the planet, so they'll stop paying the premium.
So we can't do it. So for that reason, we
have to wait for everybody else to start abandoning their
schemes and drop out of the Paris Accord before we do.
We have to be ready to drop out of the
Paris accord, but we can't be the first. So in

(01:16:55):
the meantime, through our overly high you know, we pay
too much our power prices because of this, and pay
too much for our petrol and because of that stuff.
We will have to keep doing that to maintain the
facade of doing something until we abandon it. It will
be abandoned. We just have to for the next twenty
years or something keep paying through the nose because of it.

Speaker 10 (01:17:13):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Twenty past six. Shane Soley Harbor Asset Management is with
us ALO Shane, Hey, what's going on with the pullback
in the investment markets?

Speaker 23 (01:17:21):
Yeah, look, I think the restart of facilities in the
Middle East potentially there's broadening into the Red Seas certainly
seeing energy prices spy car back up to above ninety
bucks a barrel, Brint, which is well we're a month
ago we're at seventy, so signally impacting on inflation expectations,
pushing in just straates back up. So we've seen here
in his on the tego my blind you'd up to

(01:17:42):
three sixty five.

Speaker 5 (01:17:44):
That's a hud.

Speaker 23 (01:17:44):
When for Shee markets as is a bit more technology
sector disruption. We saw our last week, a new large
language model, this Chinese model, kimny K three. It's a
very effective model. It's as good as some of the
US models. And that's Ray's questions about competition and all
the investment that's going into artificial intelligence. So people are saying,

(01:18:05):
show me the money, show me the cash. Today we
saw the Korean market that's a very tick Heatya to
career market down four and a half percent, so certainly
a combination of a little bit of higher inflation risk
on oil and technology questions.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Did we get any movement out of the electricity stocks
after the Green Party announcement today?

Speaker 23 (01:18:24):
Yeah, we saw that New Zealand gin tailer's electricity generator retailers.
They traded down a little bit today. Combination of a
couple of things, certainly lower electricity prices and uncertainty around
this Screen Party policy proposal. Biggest four was Mercury down
one point three percent. The others were sort of betting
twin zero and zero point four percent down. One of
the things we're watching is electricity futures. They're pretty soft again.

(01:18:46):
The September twenty six futures market is down five and
a half dollars today, to forty four dollars ninety that
you know, you can peer that back to August twenty five.
We're paying two hundred and forty five bucks o megawatts.
A huge difference. The green Brook payers proposal is new
public owned energy company and forcing or requirements sorry for

(01:19:08):
the major gentilis to make existing firming complicity available. That's
raised question marks about raturns on investment for listing gentiles.
So just created another question.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Yeah, yeah, okay, And what about this business with Golden
Base meant was there any reaction to that?

Speaker 23 (01:19:23):
Yeah, So we saw the Fletcher Building ship rice trade
up most of the day. It gave a little bit
of back at the end of that was flat on
the end of the day. But certainly this the government
providing sixty million dollars in Fletcher Building committing to at
least one hundred and fifty million dollars through to twenty
forty to continue operations. Look, it's a positive. Involved included
in that investment is decarbonization, So the Fletcher Building team

(01:19:46):
are going to have to take some of the nasties out.

Speaker 5 (01:19:48):
It's important in.

Speaker 23 (01:19:49):
Terms of they had an independent assessment that says, hey,
if we don't do this then we're going to be
forced important. That's not great in terms of creating problems
for resilience and potentially costs, pretty good for the form
ray economy in terms of, you know, supporting one hundred
and fifty jobs and another four and fifty around it.
So Nick, probably a good outcome.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Shane, thanks very much, appreciate it. Shane Solly, Harbor Asset Management,
six twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Getting a lot of texts from people who are unhappy
with the way TVNZ has handled the sports news today.
Apparently Ryan Fox winning the British Open was actually the
second story behind about sixteen minutes of the Football World
Cup final coverage, which, to be fair, I think this
may be a fair criticism because while I love the
Football World Cup, I mean I could have done a

(01:20:53):
couple of youngs on that, and even a couple I'd
probably be maxed out at the end of it, given
that we dropped out at the pool stage, whereas Ryan
is an actually legit big deal for us in the country.
So yeah, if you're feeling like that, I feel like
that on your behalf as well. By the way, see
Andy Burnham has announced a couple of things right. He's
gonna go in for new oil and gas drilling in
the North Sea, which is a very good move from

(01:21:15):
him because old mate Ed mu Laban was not on
board with that and there was every chance that Andy
was going to go to the left and not do it.
This is a good move and bring some money into
the UK economy that desperately needs it. Second thing is
he's going to scrap the plans for a government issued
digital ID for all British adults when he becomes Prime minister.
Also a good move. Now, I don't know if you've
not do we need to discuss Is it obvious to you?

(01:21:35):
Why why we don't want it, Why especially men don't
want a digital ID? Is it obvious to you? Have
a long think about it. If it's not obvious to you,
after the news, I'll tell you why. Six twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 15 (01:21:51):
God everything you need it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Not everybody loved a halftime show at the Football World
Cup because it's actually never been done before. It's the
first time they did it. The best comparison we have
as a result, therefore, is the halftime show at the
super Bowl. Now super Bowl just has one headline before performer,
but the football went for four. They had Madonna who
opened the show, then they had the K pop boy
band Bts. Then Justin Bieber took the field with just

(01:22:14):
himself and a guitar because that's his new thing, and
then Shakira closed out the show. Chris Martin from Coldplay
performed Seven Nation Army quite randomly with the Muppets a
lot of chaos in thirty minutes. Mega football fans were furious.
They didn't like it. Social media lit up with cries
have never do this again almost instantly. One of the
critics was Wayne Rooney, who went on the BBC and

(01:22:34):
said the show was crap, but you and I think
Oasis also said it was like a bad trip. But
casual fans, which is tuning in for a bit of
fund seem to enjoy the energy change. A highlight for
social media dwellers was the surprise appearance of the Muppets
low Light was Jason Sudeikis as Ted Lasso didn't go
down well. If you were to take one thing away
from the online chatter, it is that maybe if the

(01:22:55):
first half of the actual game was any good, the
show might have gone down better with the fans. So yeah, anyway, ever,
think about why you need the digital idea. I'll tell
you next. We're also talking about the granny flat, the
flat pack granny thing, granny.

Speaker 17 (01:23:08):
Flats, flat granny flat, yes too, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Flat pack granny flats for sale at Bunnings. Don't say
it quickly because it can descend into all kinds of
bad things. Anyway, we're going to deal with all of
this in the next half hour and sme the knife
promotion I've done. I've got the numbers for you on
what you need to do here. Stand by use talks
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Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
The reason that I'm want the digital idea is because
they don't only caught with their best girl friend. Well
kind of Rob, You're kind of right. It's because important
this question, isn't it?

Speaker 6 (01:24:03):
Is that not?

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Obviously everybody? This is why it's always dudes. Dudes are like, no,
we don't want any digital ID for the government. We
don't want any digitallight. Well, I'm like, what are you
doing on the end? Oh, that's what you're doing on
the internet. Ah, yeah, because you're going to have to
log on as John from Birkenhead, and then we're going
to see what you're into because then you're hackable in that,

(01:24:23):
and then when we hack you, then we can see
what John's personal personal loclivity is. Now, this is what
I reckon. I reckon that if you ask a woman
do you care about it about the government digital I
D a woman would be like no. And if you
explain to them why, which is the social media band,
the woman would probably be like, no, no, we should
do that, yeah, protect the kids, And the men will
be like no, no, no, no, don't do that. I

(01:24:45):
reckon there'll be a good gender split on that one. Actually,
keep an eye keep it. I mean, I don't think
this is what I don't know that this is what
Eric is going to end up doing, but keep an
eye on it. By the way, big drama in Germany.
One of the center right politicians, Yen Spahn, has had
to resign his job because he was busted having a baby.
Not personally obviously he is a gay man in a
I think it's a marriage and the couple have had

(01:25:07):
a baby. And of course, what do you need to
have a baby if you're a gay couple, gay male couple.
Is you need a lady? You need to have a surrogacy,
don't you? Problem is in twenty fifteen he wrote that
as a gay man and a Christian, I find it
personally very hard to warm to the idea of a
rerented womb. And yet when it came to it, he
needed a rented womb. And what if I told you
a thousand times hypocrisy is the thing that unwinds them

(01:25:29):
the biggest, the fastest. So there you go, classic case
of hypocrisy right now. It's twenty two away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
Ever do for ce Ellen.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Gavin Gray is with us in around about ten minutes
times Our Bunnings is now selling flat pack granny flats.
This is as a result of the government loosening up
the rules. Recently, they made by an outfit called elsewhere Pods.
They can be built in just a weekend and you
can even soup it up right so you can add
things like a bathroom or a kitchenette to it. Carl
Bikei is the New Zealand general manager of Elsewhere Pods
and with us Hi Carl Hire there is it genuinely

(01:25:59):
diy like I can really put this thing together myself.

Speaker 21 (01:26:03):
If you can read the instructions, you can put it together.
It's that simple.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
What about if I add on the bathroom, But do
I have to plummet?

Speaker 21 (01:26:13):
Yes, as soon as you add a bathroom and or
a kitchenette, you've got to, you know, speak to your
local council and it requires a trades person. You have
to fall under those regulations. But the standard studios and
you know the office in the backyard, that's one hundred

(01:26:35):
percent perfect to do by yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Okay, but what about you need to be completely and
utterly level in the platform that you're using, so you
probably need a trades person for that, don't you.

Speaker 21 (01:26:47):
It can set itself level in to a certain degree,
but yes, if you if you don't know how to
work a spirit level, then I would suggest getting a
trade and getting a trains person just to come and
do a few checks for you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Okay, so you can actually you can adjust the level
of the thing to sit on an unleveled surface, Yes
you can. Okay. What about weather tightness? So if I'm
putting it together myself, how am I going to be
sure that the torrential rain isn't creeping in and landing
on my head?

Speaker 21 (01:27:19):
There is enough instructions within the instruction manual to show
you exactly how to get it weather tight.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
So I mean, Carol, it looks great right, but it
is it is, And I love the fact that it
is so much glass, so it's going to let in
a lot of sun. Is it insulated though with that
level of glass.

Speaker 21 (01:27:36):
Yes, yes, it's highly insulated. So it meets all the
regulations and the bullding regulations. So it's perfectly fine to
have as a unit in your backyard.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
How cool is that?

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
How big can you go with this thing?

Speaker 21 (01:27:51):
Well? Through the Bunnings The Bunnings range is the two
point seven unit and the four meter unit. But if
you go into our website, got a configurator that you
can go free and design up to twelve meters and
four point eight meters wide.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Wow, So how many bedrooms is that? And how many bathrooms?

Speaker 21 (01:28:13):
So you can go up to two bedroom unit with
a bathroom you know, standard nice size granny.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Flat fabulous, Okay, at the extent of what you could
do with it. How much is it costing the punter
to do that two bedroom granny flat?

Speaker 21 (01:28:30):
Well, it depends on your preferences because it's configured to
your likings, so it could range anything from one hundred
and ten to one hundred and sixty thousand dollars if
you go up to that sizes.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Yeah, and if you're just doing like a really small pod,
I mean, it's like thirty to fifty thousand, isn't it
something really cheap?

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
Correct?

Speaker 11 (01:28:49):
So?

Speaker 21 (01:28:49):
Yeah, So Bunnings has got the two point seven meter
on their website for thirty one thousand and the four
meter for fifty one thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
How's it been? How long have you guys been an
Aussie and has it gone there?

Speaker 9 (01:29:02):
So?

Speaker 21 (01:29:02):
Ossie has gone really great. I mean since we launched
with Bunnings, we went from fifteen inquiries a day to
over five hundred inquiries today. So yeah, we really scramble
to keep up with the demand and it's fantastic to see.
And this is now our opportunity, you know, to bring

(01:29:23):
it to the New Zealand market. I mean it's just
a natural transition to you know, give that same type
of look and feel to the New Zealand market.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Fantastic. Simon wants to know if it's double glazed.

Speaker 21 (01:29:38):
It is double glazed, and the beauty about it. It's
even a higher spec double glazing, so it gives you
that bird of thermal response or that better thermal insulation.

Speaker 15 (01:29:51):
My good on you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
This sounds like a fantastic idea and thanks very much
for talking us through. It's Caral Bookie Elsewhere Pods New
Zealand General Managers eighteen away from seven Heather Dupless So
on the snake knife promotion, I'm warning you, we're into
the snake knife promotion and you know this is going
to become a thing. Now I'm going to get obsessed
with it. So a guy's done the numbers on what
you have to spend and what the best way he

(01:30:13):
reckons you. He reckons that, okay, so he reckons the
best way to do it is not just to collect
the stickers, but actually to do the stickers plus the
cash the top up. So he reckons if you if
you're just doing the stickers for all of the knives,
and he's going like, you need the full set, right obviously,
if you're just doing the stickers, it's going to cost
you six thousand dollars in groceries plus fifty dollars because
I think you can only pay fifty dollars for the

(01:30:35):
decided like I don't know, you can't do only stickers
for the knife block. You have to pay fifty dollars
plus have about one hundred thousand stickers for it. Anyway,
So he reckons if you just do it stickers, it's
six thousand dollars in groceries plus fifty dollars top up.
And now remember this is this is a twelve week promotion, right,
so you've got twelve weeks to get it, which means
that in order to get sixed out all the stickers,

(01:30:57):
you're going to have to spend six thousand dollars. You're
spending five hundred dollars on groceries a week. I don't
spend five hundred dollars do you spend? Like if you've
got two teenage boys. Maybe you're spending five hundred dollars.
So I think already you have to accept that just
going stickers is probably unachievable unless you are gigantic eaters
or drinkers or something anyway, So he reckons it's better

(01:31:17):
to split it up and just go for the stickers.
Minimum number of stickers plus the cash top up. That's
three thousand dollars on groceries. So now you're paying two
hundred and fifty dollars in groceries a week. That's more manageable.
And then you pay two hundred dollars in cash on
the top to top it up. He reckons that's the
most efficient. He reckons the best items to go for
value as you start with a vegetable knife, because that
you're gonna get that's a seventy dollars recommended retail product.

(01:31:40):
And if you do twenty five sticks, the thirteen stickers
plus thirteen dollars top up, you'll get the value per
stickers four dollars. We've gone down the gone down the
rabbit hole with this guy. Anyway, you don't want all
that detail. This is the order. Vegetable knife, cutting board,
utility knife, small Santoku meat knife, n carey knife, chef's knife,
and the steak knives, which is the thing that I
want is the least value. And then finally it's the

(01:32:02):
knife block. The cash top up path is the efficient
way to do it. If you've already shopped at New World,
you will end up with a proper knife set for
a lot less than retail. If you're weighing this up
purely as a deal, run your own numbers against the
table above before you commit your shop to it. You're welcome.
We'll keep you posted. We're going to run out again.
Quarter to seven.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
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Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Gail's not stupid, Gail's got an idea on the smeag knives.
You're going to want to hear. I'll get to that.
By the way. You know the CPTPP, you know the CPGP.
We'll talk about it all the time. CPPGPP Comprehensive Trade
Partnership Transpacific little bit whatever, the one that was the
old TPP. They are thinking of that because remember you
remember the history of it. It was called the TPP
Transpacific Trade Partnership, but then Jacinda didn't like it, and

(01:33:01):
Trump didn't like it, and then they Trump pulled out
of it and just send to said we're not going
to join it. So then they changed the name so
that we could all join it again, and they called
it the CPTPP. Officials now admit that people can't get
their heads around this name. It doesn't work at all.
So they're going to think about maybe when they meet
in Vietnam this week, maybe changing the name. I have
a suggestion for them, how about the TPP. Hey, that's
what it was. It worked twelve away from seven Gavin Gray,

(01:33:23):
UK correspondence with US Elogavin.

Speaker 8 (01:33:26):
That's too much sense, Heather, I know it just meant.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
To lay like, what is this crazy talk from New
Zealand over here?

Speaker 6 (01:33:31):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
Listen, tell me about this oil and gas stuff in
north Sea. Why's Anny Burnham decided to go for it?

Speaker 8 (01:33:38):
I think quite simply because this is going to be
a cash revenue generator. I think it's his main thought
on that. So he had in the past said he
would stick to the Labor Party manifesto and that said
in twenty twenty four there would be no new oil
and gas licenses. Yet he's already been widely tipped to
saying that in a few hours time when he takes
over his Prime Minister, having met King Charles third and

(01:34:01):
secure Starmer goes into an early political retirement, that he
would allow new drilling in the North Seat. Now what
exactly does that mean, because he then says he is
going to stick to the manifesto. Well, it's thought this
refers to the North Seas Rosebank and jack Daw fields.
They are two huge fields of gas and oil. Now,

(01:34:22):
they did receive approval from regulators to go drilling in
twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three under the Conservative government,
but then the decision was overturned in twenty twenty five
after a legal challenge because people were saying, the opponents
were saying, but you've promised to reduce fuel from greenhouse
gas emitters like this, so why are you doing this Anyway,

(01:34:45):
it looks like he might be about to press the
button on those two that would honor existing licenses and
not mean new licenses we use. Donald Trump is loving it.
He's heat praise on Andy Burnham, saying he's going to
announce it. I've been told this, I've been told that.
And here's one quote. The people of Aberdeen in Scotland
are dancing in the streets because the new prime minister
has stated he will be opening up all the way

(01:35:07):
the invaluable north Sea oil fields is said he still
wants those wind turbines removed outside the city of Aberdeen
in the sea, because of course he's got a golf
course nearby there. And he also said that quite frankly,
we are a poverty stricken nation until we open up
the North Sea.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Interesting, Tim's water plans not going down so well.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
No, so part of the other thing.

Speaker 8 (01:35:32):
I mean, there are more leaks in what Burnham's saying
than there are in a kitchen colander, frankly. And another
thing we expect him to say is that he will
attempt to nationalize the utility companies again in this country.
Now they were privatized under the Conservatives back with Margaret
Thatcher's day, and beyond that, he says he's bringing them

(01:35:52):
back into public ownership. Now control of the railways, well,
that's a reasonably simple one because they're on contracts and
they expire, so as they're expiring they've been brought back.
That process has already started. But he wants to bring
the water companies back under control, and that's more complicated
because particularly some of them have got into massive debt.
Thameswater the biggest water company in the UK, covering London,

(01:36:15):
the Southeastralian south of England. They are roughly forty eight
billion New Zealand dollars in debt and its lenders had
proposed to deal or to write off nearly half of
that and inject new cash. But they in return wanted
from future governments leniency on future pollution fines where they
aren't coping with all the sewerage and it is pumped

(01:36:37):
out into the ocean and ore into streams and waterways.
Now this was rejected by the previous government as being
weak and bad for consumers and the environment. But now
Thameswater saying well, if you don't allow us to do
that and you attempt to nationalize, we are going to
take you to court. So they are basically threatening now
a long legal process should Andy Burnham announce that he's

(01:36:58):
going to try and nationalize the water companies, and Thame's
Water in particular.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Should basically scare them off it immediately. Gavin, thanks for
ruining us through to appreciate it. We'll talk to you
in two days, Gavin Gray, UK correspondent. Eight away from seven.
Here we go, Heather read the Smeg stickers. You we'ld
have specials each week where if you buy a special
product to qualifies for an extra sticker. So why not
go through the store and buy only the sticker products.
It definitely won't cost you six thousand dollars for the set,

(01:37:22):
plus you would get enough stickers in one go for
a knife or more. Gail, this is not stupid from you.
But what if you're a woman who's through menopause and
the stickers are on a pair of pads, like a
set of pads or tampons, what are you gonna do?
You're gonna go buy that? Are you gonna buy things
you don't need? What about what if it's on nappies
or formula? You're gonna buy some of that? Gale? This

(01:37:43):
is the problem is I think chase it. I worry
about chasing the bonus stickers, because sometimes I think it
makes you make bad decisions. Then before you know it,
you end up like a situation like I do, where
I look up sometimes in the cup and I go,
why are there twelve packs of Robert Harris coffee? Because
they won't specially so there were five dollars instead of nine.
I've just bought too many. Now I've got lots. I've

(01:38:04):
got like twelve, but at least I'm going to get
through it. I don't know if you're going to get
through twelve twelve packets of tampons if you're a man.

Speaker 19 (01:38:10):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
To be careful, make sure you're only doing it if
it's something that you actually want. What if, also, you
go to buy the block of cheese because you can
eat cheese, like we all eat cheese, right, only psychos
don't eat cheese, and people who are like like dairy
intolerant or something anyway, so you got to buy your
block of cheese. But what if you normally buy a
five dollar block of cheese and now you're buying a
twelve dollar block of cheese because it's good. You see
what I'm doing here? Just make good decisions because the

(01:38:32):
knives are not worth you blow in the household budget
on stuff like that. Listen seriously quickly, Auckland Council. This
is something we have to be aware of. Auckland councilor
is going to vote shortly at some stage in the
next few months on maybe running the council elections like
general election elections, like voting booths and stuff like that
instead of doing the postal. Now, on principle, I like
this because the postal doesn't work. I get that's a

(01:38:54):
stupid idea. Problem is I can't decide if I like
the voting booths more because they cost a lot more.
They're millions or tens of millions of dollars or something
like that. And then the alternative, of course is the
online but then that's hackable. The Chinese will get in
very complex anyway, adds.

Speaker 17 (01:39:09):
It's the biggest music story in the world today, the
halftime show for the first one ever at the FIFA
World Cup Finals. So we'll just get the tail end
of that thanks courtesy of TV and Z. I think
this is the bit where it was Chris Martin.

Speaker 5 (01:39:21):
And the Muppets.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Why were the Muppets there?

Speaker 8 (01:39:24):
Why not?

Speaker 17 (01:39:24):
They are American icons and British icons.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
It's in America.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
You know, why was Chris Martin? He's not an America.

Speaker 17 (01:39:31):
Yeah, so I think the whole halftime show was his idea.
Like he came out he was like in twenty twenty two,
he was like, hey, why don't we do it a
halftime show at the next one?

Speaker 3 (01:39:38):
And somebody ran with it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Oh, so he's like the creative director of it.

Speaker 17 (01:39:42):
Well, all I know it was his ideas.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
But weird though, isn't it. I was kind of weird
when grown ups like the Muppets, do you like when
I see so?

Speaker 17 (01:39:50):
Yeah, You've always had this one wrong. The Muppets have
always been for grown ups. They were a late night
variety show. You're thinking of Sesame Street, which was the
kid's show. The Muppets are puppets, but the show whild
kid Lee is aimed at madal elliots.

Speaker 10 (01:40:01):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
As you can see, it's not the first time we've
had this discussion. We are consistent in our views on it.
Thank you as see you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
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