Full Show Podcast: 21 April 2026

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try the truck to
ask the questions, get the answers, find a fag sack.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
And give the analysis.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Heather duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the
power of satellite mobile news Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today. Thomas Coglin,
who wrote the first story on Friday last week, is
going to talk us through the luxe and leadership vote
today and how much of this he made up? Probably
not a lot, if any. Cameron Bagriy on the inflation
figure out today and James Renwick, who's the Victoria University
professor of climate science, on what we can do tech
wise to be able to predict these thunderstorms.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Ever, dupicy Ellen flow me down.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
But they had a leadership vote in caucus which was
called by Chris Luxin's himself and he survived. Good on
him for doing that. That is exactly what I see
yesterday he had to do if he wanted to shut
the stuff down for the next week in a bit
that Parliament has left us sit. And even if you
think that sticking with Chris Luxen the wrong call by
the National Party, which by the way, I do I

(01:03):
still think he needs to go before the election. You
have got to respect the fact that he had the
courage to do this. Leadership votes are always a big risk.
They are always a guess. It doesn't matter what the
MPs say to you, doesn't matter if they say they're
going to support you when it comes down to it,
and it's a secret ballot, it's always a roll of
the dice. And it takes real steel to do that,
and he had it. Now, question of courses? Is that

(01:25):
it right? Is it going to be quiet all the
way through to November's election? He's going to be the leader,
nothing more to say. Not necessarily, I think this increases
his chances of staying the leader because it has to
have killed off any of the spill momentum that his
detractors might have had, at least for now, and it
has to have lifted his confidence, and that in turn
has to lift his media performance, surely to God, But

(01:47):
ultimately none of that actually really matters, because it's the
polls that determine his future. And if National keeps on
this downward trend that they've been on for two years,
and if it goes down another two percent, let's say,
and is sitting on twenty seven points something. In the
next few weeks. All this is just going to start
up again because more MPs will stand to lose their
jobs and they will get freaked out and they'll start

(02:08):
the chatter again. But what this does is number one,
it buys them a significant amount of time to lift
those those poles. And two it has to earn him
a grudging respect from his MPs who now have to
look at this and say that he is more of
a of a formidable opponent than they may have thought
he was. And even if it's just a grudging respect

(02:30):
for calling the bluff of the leakers, that is what
he has done. It turns out they never had the
numbers that they pretended they had.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Heather du Cielo.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Nine ninety two the text number standard text fees apply.
And as I say, Thomas Coglan is with us after
five and barri soopad quarter to five. Now police have
cracked down on the illegal sales of Nang's in the
North Island. Retailer is in New Plymouth and Harwarder Funganui, Palmestan,
North and Levina facing prosecution for selling nitrous oxide for
recreational use. Superintendent Deon Bear and it is the police

(03:00):
district commander for Central District and is with us now? Hi, Dion?

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Sure, Heather?

Speaker 3 (03:05):
How many retailers did you bust?

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Five? And that spread across a wide district, Taranaki you
wanted to and in that we visited a number of
retailers and it's unfortunate that at the moment we have five.
We're working with them.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
How do you know that they were doing it for
recreational use and not for baking cakes.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
We did some controlled purchase operations. We weren't dressed as bakers,
We didn't represent ourselves as home bakers. It was obvious
that we weren't there to buy nitrous oxide for baking purposes.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
How I don't know what you dressed like to be
a baker, but like, what did you look like when
you walked in? Like, how how much vibe were you
giving off? You wanted to chuck it in a balloon
and suck it down at a party.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
We'll put it this.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
Way, enough of a vibe that we've taken an important
and in a serious decision to prosecute some retailers. At
the end of the day, what we're concerned about is
the safety of the people who are purchasing these names
and using them. We know that it's an issue in

(04:25):
our community. Our communities are reporting it to us, and
we're responding to that.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Now.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Am I right in thinking that you had gone into
these retailers beforehand and warned each of them in turn
that they shouldn't be selling it for recreational purposes? And
then the bust happened after that, which meant that they
just ignored you guys.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yeah, right across that region, and we visited a number
of retailers and delivered them letters which outlined their responsibilities
and the issues that we face with NANG and the
responsibility of a retailer. And then we did go back
and we did try some controlled purchase operations to ensure

(05:10):
that the message is clearly getting through.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, And so what that means is that what they
didn't think that you guys were going to actually crack
down on it.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
I guess that's something for them to answer. But we
remained true to the reason that we were doing this
in the first place. And I think the most important
part is to prevent names being sold to people who
are using them for recreational for huffing because we know
that the dangerous effects that names have on people.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Now, Dion, this is going to sound potentially heartless from me,
but I, in my mind, have a distinction between two
types of drugs.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
Right.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
So you have the drugs like nangs where people are
sucking them down and they're only really hurting themselves and
so I don't care if you want to do that stuff,
do that. And then there's the drugs like p where
when they than they actually run the risk of hurting
other people. Do you guys make a distinction like that?

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Well, what we look at then is the harm that's
caused by the names, and there's some short term and
then the medical evidence clearly says there's some long term
harm caused. But probably more important for us is what
is the effect on the people when they are taking names.
And we know that it's a depressant. We know that
it affects brain function and that slows down body responses,

(06:29):
and that's important for particularly if you've got people in
cars who might be using the scooters, bikes, even simply
walking somewhere. If people are using it incorrectly or for
huffing purposes, we know that it can be dangerous.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
How long do the effects last year on I thought
it was about thirty seconds.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yeah, that's what they Ministry of Health advice as.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Well as are they huffing it while they're.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Driving potentially, So I mean that's quite difficult to identify.
So I think we go right back to the cause,
the root of the issue, and work with our retailers
who have been fantastic buy in large to work with
and prevent the nangs falling into the wrong hands or

(07:24):
being used for the wrong purposes.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Dean, it's good to talk to you, mate, Thank you
so much. Good luck with that that. Superintendent Dean Bennett,
Police district commander for Central District. I don't tell me
if you agree with me, but I don't care about nangs.
I mean, I know there are rules and stuff like that,
but I just on the list of things that stress
me out that people are doing that is illegal, this
is like genuinely right down at the bottom, probably next
to cocaine. No, Actually, cocaine stresses me out more because

(07:48):
there's a whole kind of like gang situation that goes
on organized crime and stuff. Nangs doesn't stress me out
because I really honestly believe if you're just doing bad
stuff to your own body and you're only harming yourself, mate,
you know, you know the risks what you want go
away and go away and huff yourself to death over there.
And I don't really care.

Speaker 7 (08:05):
This does not constitute health advice.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
This is not health advice or criminal advice or advice
to the police on how to do their jobs anyway.
What I care about, where I would like the police
to be directing their resources is the people who are
sticking weird things in their arms, like I don't know,
smoking the glass pipe. They're not eating enough and sleeping enough,
and then going and chopping people's arms off with machetes.
That kind of thing freaks me out a whole lot
more where it starts to impact on your life that

(08:27):
it stresses me out. Nangs is a solo endeavor by
the looks of things, anyway, how naughty from those retailers though,
just outright ignoring I'm dealing with it. I'm dealing with
this at home. I've got a four year old look
him in the face and say, don't call mummy stupid,
and he goes, you're stupid. That's what the retailers did.
And maybe maybe the police need me to come and
sort them out when I'm finished with the four year old,
although I'm losing that battle. The boss of the Cooperative

(08:50):
Bank reckons that other banks floating rates are too high.
So if you have a look at your bank, big
five banks, if you're floating back, floating rate is sitting
around five point seven to five point eight nine, where
they're basically all sitting. He says it's too high, and
he has put his money where his mouth is. Okay,
so everybody else is five point seventy five to five
point eight nine Cooperative Bank four point nine nine. Sixteen

(09:13):
past four.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
It's the Heather Topsy Alan Drive Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News Talk Z'B.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Who am I getting texts on the nangs? Hanger? I
might have to revise my opinion stand by nineteen past
four good.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Sport with Generate for award winning performances Generate, Kiwisavor dot
co dot Nzeid.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Darcy water Grave Sports Talkhosters with us.

Speaker 8 (09:36):
Hello, does sound very strange?

Speaker 3 (09:39):
I know we don't often talk about drugs on this show,
but when we.

Speaker 8 (09:41):
Do, what's on the nang?

Speaker 3 (09:42):
You texts on the nags? And do you know what
I love is that the police officers now call them
nangs as well instead of nitrous ox siteangnage.

Speaker 8 (09:51):
People are still doing this obviously.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Oh mate, wor by the soundes things stand by for
that anyway, talk to me about this NRL thing. So
how is this rule gonna work?

Speaker 8 (10:00):
I don't know if it will in all, honestly, Well,
what they're doing.

Speaker 9 (10:03):
What's happening is you've got one hundred hours between games
where you're allowed full contact training because they want to
mitigate ct concussion risks, so on and so forth by
not in the training part. Let them go hard out
of each other, listen for the way you and the
plan as well. Right, and there's slightly more limits on
the women as far as time is concerned. But you know,

(10:27):
all the contact sports are under huge pressure from players
who suffer the outrageous condition of.

Speaker 8 (10:36):
Concussion of CTE and they need to be seen to
be doing something. It's a bit late, a bit late,
as in rugby's been doing the National Football League's been
doing it. They've all been it for a long time.

Speaker 9 (10:49):
They've got pretty big concussion protocols and it's very nice
in training. I don't know really how many people get
seriously smacked in training that warrants concussion or being stood down.
Maybe it happens more than I know. You've got to
look at what happens on the park and how they
deal with that. Now you can tell it that horrific,

(11:10):
Well there you go. But that would that be limited
in this or would they have someone I'm sure there
are restrictions, but.

Speaker 8 (11:19):
Mon yeah, what it does get rough? But to me,
I don't want to.

Speaker 9 (11:23):
Make light of this because CTE is hideous, most insidious disease. Ever,
here's the thing. You got a choice when you play sport.
You got a choice where you find camaraderie, where you
find fitness, where you find entertainment and loads of much
success in sport. Right, you've got that choice. If you

(11:44):
want to avoid the possibility of concussion and CTE, what
don't you do play that sport?

Speaker 8 (11:51):
Precisely?

Speaker 9 (11:52):
I think that sounds really harsh because I know that
people love the sports and they get the sports and
they want to play, and I know we love watching
them superstars out there, the Mighty All Blacks, the Wahs,
the like as well. But it's one of those things
in sport that if you play it regardless of what
they put in place and training.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yep, it's going to happen.

Speaker 8 (12:11):
It's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
That's the I agree with it.

Speaker 8 (12:13):
It's going to happen.

Speaker 9 (12:14):
And I just say personal responsibility the anyone else can
do what they can. But can they really stop it completely?
Can they limit it that much with some arbitrary rules.
I'm not one hundred percent sure, but it's better than nothing.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, all right, are you talking about this on the show?

Speaker 10 (12:28):
Are you No?

Speaker 8 (12:29):
I've just been caught up with this and I can't
stop thinking about it.

Speaker 11 (12:32):
Now.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
I agree with you. I've been thinking about this as well,
and I think ultimately, if you it's it's like being
a builder. You know you're going to break your back,
like you are going to end up with a broken
body from building. You're going to end up probably with
a broken head if you play rugby.

Speaker 8 (12:43):
It's like being a broadcast. Do you know that you're
going to be deaf when you're old? Yeah? And I
definitely know that.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
You should see my house mate. I said to husband today,
I said, want some said Iggy wants peanut butter on
his toast. I came back five minutes later. I was like,
he goes what I was like, Oh, Joe.

Speaker 8 (13:00):
Well, I think a lot of that though is deliberate
and he actually came here. I just choose us not
to answer.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
That is what I suspected. Thank you, Darcy.

Speaker 9 (13:08):
On the show tonight, we are talking to the returning
mental skills coach. How about Gilbert and is back in
the All Blacks after a brain now, so we'll talk
to him on the show.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
Now.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
It's everybody's going to say it was Dave Any, but
it'll be Gilbert. Thank you, Darcy. Darcy Wattergrave, sports talk
host for twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's Heather
duf c Ellen Drive with One Zealand coverage like no
one else the news talks.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
There'd be Murray Olds.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Is going to be us out of Australia in about
fifteen minutes time, so we'll get his take on the
NRL rules right now. It's full twenty five. Heither God almighty,
why would you hold on? Why oh why would you
have somebody like Chrisphin Layson on to comment on the
leadership of this government? He okay, we did have Chrispin
Leyson on and then we decided has somebody called Chris
keev or am I just is Chris going to find

(13:55):
this out? By listen? You haven't called him yet? Call
him now we've ditched him. He doesn't know it, gonna
have to call him. We've ditched him because we had
a debate and we decided okay, and I went through
this with the lads. I said, how many how many
leadership spills has Chrispin Lson been part of? And we
were like none. I was like, well, why are we
talking to a guy who's never been part of a
leadership spill before? And so I thought, we thought. We

(14:16):
thought about it a bit and we thought, actually, the
guy you need to talk to is Thomas Coglan because
today the Prime Minister, when he won the leadership contest,
he blamed the media and he said this is all
basically media soap opera, excuse me, which is to say,
essentially what his dog whistling as Thomas made the whole
thing up. So we're going to get Thomas on and
the first question will be did you make it up?

Speaker 6 (14:36):
Or is it real?

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Did this really happen? And he can come and answer
questions and you can decide for yourself if you think
about it. Heather nangs and driving do not go hand
in hand on a cop and yes they are huffing
and driving and crashing. Heather nangs are not really a
solo issue. I live in Henderson regularly see the young
ones sitting in cars at our local shops hopping around
balloons full of the stuff. Here the three teens were
huffing on nangs at the time of the y couple

(14:58):
crash that killed five. This is according to the coroner
here that we've had quite a few car accidents around
our area by people sucking on the noss here that
I was the same as until I saw people doing
it while driving down the motorway and it just goes on.
Like honestly, the number of people saying that they are
watching people driving and nanging at the same time is mental,
in which case, maybe maybe I go back to what

(15:19):
del the cop said, right. He was like, you can't stop,
You can't. How are you going to You can hardly
even crack down on drink driving, people are still doing that.
Now are you going to crack down on nos driving?
So the only way is to stop the sale of noss.
So yep, changed my mind. News is next.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Hard questions strong opinion.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Here the Duplicyell and Drive with one New Zealand and
the power of satellite mobile news talk said be.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
Somebody say prayer for me out and I still case sleep.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Somebody's right.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
As I told you yesterday, we've got the inflation that
has come out. Inflation for the quarter went up zero
point nine percent, which is a little bit more than
we were actually expecting at zero point eight percent. This
puts the annual inflation at three point one percent, which
sits just outside where it should be in that target
band of one to three percent. Now remember, please, this
is before all the stuff really started hitting us in

(16:20):
the with the Iran Wars, so it's going to go
up beyond that. So we'll have Cameron Baggery with us
after five o'clock and hopefully he can talk us through
exactly where he thinks it will go. Barry Sober standing by.
He's with us in ten minutes twenty four away from five.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
It's the world wires on Newstalks.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Eddy Drive, Apple CEO Tim Cooker stepping down. He was
CEO for more than a decade, taking over from Steve
Jobs in twenty eleven. Here he is paying tribute to
his predecessor.

Speaker 12 (16:45):
Stephen Apple, freed me to throw my whole self into
my work, to embrace their mission and make it my own.
How can I serve humanity?

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Well, I mean by making the phones cheaper. That would
be a start over. In the UK, Sir Kiir Starmer
is in the hot seat again this week. He's in
the House of Comments Commons to answer questions about the
Mandolson scandal. Independent MP Zara Sultana was asked to leave
the house after this comment. He defended him and now
we claim to know nothing. He is gas slicing the nation.

Speaker 8 (17:18):
So let's call this out for what it is.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
The Prime Minister is a bare face liar.

Speaker 13 (17:22):
And if you hadn't order order to say and leave,
leave no, I'll name you.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Otherwise I'm good. Note if I'm oh, I'm going to
try that with a four year old, I'll name you.
And finally, the three men in California have been sentenced
to jail for insurance fraud after they faked a bear attack.
Now all three of them put on bear costumes and
smashed up their luxury cars to claim the insurance money.

(17:49):
Somehow this brilliant plan failed. They've been jailed for one
hundred and eighty days each, after which they will be
released back into the wild.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance piece of for
New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Murray Old's Lossie Correspondents is with us Ala muz.

Speaker 11 (18:05):
Good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
How's this new NRL rule about the contact and training
going down?

Speaker 11 (18:10):
Well, look at I'm sure a lot of insiders knew
it was coming, but most people didn't and there's been
a lot of discussion about it being obviously sold as
a major safety move and what the National Rugby League
has done is put a limit on the contact that's
allowed for men and women in training in rugby league.
It affects all seventeen NRL clubs, the twelve NRLW clubs,

(18:35):
and of course they're worried about concussions. We've seen a
lot more of this happened we in British rugby. We
have had people with severe brain injuries later in life. Now,
what this is all about is doing as much as
we can over here in rugby league and of course
in New Zealand to stop brain injuries and players because
when you watch week in week out, my oh my,

(18:56):
they thump into each other. The impact is just staggering,
you know, I mean I'll be put in hospital for
six months if you know, Payne hears ran at me.
I mean, forget it. So what they're doing is saying, listen,
we're going to have to put it in the same
way that they outlawed shoulder charges, which were just like brutal.
It was like it was like no Planet of the
Bloody Apes anyway. So it's going to be kept at

(19:19):
one hundred minutes for men and no more than eighty
five minutes for women in the lead up in their
training sessions, and very quickly on Australian rules. There's a
Carlton player, you know, a first grade AFL player, Elijah
Hollands place for Carlton, very fine player, twenty three years old,

(19:40):
but he's in a psychiatric hospital this afternoon. Not because
he's banged his header and I but he's been suffering
these panic attacks and others bizarre behavior. For some reason,
the club let him play last weekend against Collingwood. It
was apparent to everybody at the ground watching on Telly,
all the players he shouldn't have been out there. He
was in Disneyland and he's now getting a help. He

(20:02):
clearly needs His dad has put a beautiful thing out
on social media. He's called us out a beautiful boy.
He's going to lift him upun till he's restored in full.
And it's again another reminded that this is more than
just a business. This is about men and women who
are putting their bodies on the line week in week out.

Speaker 6 (20:19):
Maz.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
What are you expecting from the Senate inquiry into the
gas companies?

Speaker 11 (20:24):
Well, not a lot because the government. Look, is the
government brave enough to take on the gas companies that
are threatening to We're going to withdraw all the investment
and take our money to Brazil or somewhere. I don't
see the government doing that. If they had any ticker,
they would that say they do what Norway does. Apparently
there's a twenty five percent flat tax on every bit

(20:46):
of revenue that gas companies make out of Norway. Why
hasn't Australia got that? Basically, big multinational companies are ripping
Australia off blind. They dig it out of the ground
and ship it off to anywhere else, and only in
where Australia is a portion reserved for the Australian domestic market,
which is patently ridiculous. They're selling bucket loads of this

(21:09):
stuff into Japan, Korea, into Malaysia, Singapore, but there's bugger
all on the east coast of Australia where it's badly needed. So, yes,
there's a Senate inquiry. There'll be some you know, a
chest something from various senators and you'll help, you know,
I imagine you're going to have in the next three
days you'll have some of the chief executives in their heather.

(21:29):
But honestly, hand on heart, I don't see any big
changes coming to be frank, Hey, what's.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
The settlement that Kyle Sanderlands has reached with AARN?

Speaker 11 (21:37):
Look, very anonymous sources. This is only according to the
Murdoch newspapers, and it's news to me and news to
just about everybody else in my radio newsroom this morning.
What he's done?

Speaker 12 (21:46):
What?

Speaker 11 (21:47):
But Kyle, according to the Murdoch Press, is close to
resolving this route with AARN and getting back on air.
Now he's suing ARN for more than eighty million dollars.
That's the balance of the ten year contract that was
torn up after he had a blup on air with
his co host Jackie Oh. She's apparently got her own
show coming up separate to him. News Corps said Sandalans

(22:07):
could be back on air on his own and he
wants to get the matter settled asap. It's back and
court on Friday. But according to the tenor of this story,
it could be happening at Buddy Side sooner.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
What there is a twist no one saw coming. The
guy's back mental Mars, thank you, Murray Old's Australia correspondent.

Speaker 12 (22:26):
Do you know what.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Is that a sign of if you're talented, they can't
get like you're gonna come back. You'll find a way back,
if you're an amazing talent and he is an amazing talent,
or is it simply that is a sign of if
you sign a contract with somebody and they're way too expensive,
you're gonna have to find a way out of that
get You're not gonna be able to just end it.

(22:49):
He's got it over here. I don't know. This is
mental eighteen away from.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Five, Heather duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Do you remember the guy who called Nadia Limb a
little bit of Eurasian fluff? Remember that Chap Simon Henry.
He has just taken a massive pay cut to save
his business DGL. What's happened with DGL is he seems
to have moved the headquarters from somewhere in Auckland to
somewhere in New South Wales if I read correctly. Anyway,
the share price is recently plummeted from a peak of

(23:15):
about ford and it's listed on the ASEX, and it's
plummeted from a peak of about four dollars and nine
cents Australian to just thirty eight cents this week, which
is horrific. Had all kinds of trouble there that the
company was suspended from the ASX for a bit because
the company failed to lodge audited financial statements. And then
the order issued a disclaimer of opinion regarding irreconcilable inventory

(23:36):
management and a lack of internal controls. And then there
was news that there was a staff member who defrauded
the company, but the company hadn't even fired the staff
member of the staff member been retained, et cetera, et cetera.
It's just weird, right, So clearly they realized they had
to reassure investors that this wasn't just complete shambles, and
so as a result, he's taken a pay cut, so
his salary has apparently gone from around seven hundred thousand

(23:58):
dollars according to last year's annual report, plus a car
plus health insurance valued at eighty thousand dollars, so it's
seven hundred and eighty thousand dollars at least down to
one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. That is a massive baker.
Sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Five Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get
payments certainty.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Thomas Coglan of The Herald is going to be with
us after five o'clock on this business with Chris Lux
and blaming the media for the soap opera. Right now,
it's fourteen away from five, and Barry so Per, senior
political correspondent, is with us. Hallo, Barry, Good afternoon, Heather.
What did I say to you yesterday? He had to
call a leadership vote?

Speaker 14 (24:32):
So what does that mean?

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Just trying to score a point, that's all?

Speaker 8 (24:36):
Oh, yeah, it was over to him whether he did
or not.

Speaker 14 (24:41):
I said, why does inded to if he claimed that
he had the majority of caucus. Well, he had the
courage of his convictions and decided to put it and that's.

Speaker 8 (24:50):
A big risk.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Have you got to respect this?

Speaker 12 (24:53):
Well?

Speaker 14 (24:53):
I can't remember any of the prime ministers I've covered
if I having put themselves to a vote of confidence,
although my didn't need to.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
But you know, it does it regains the authority, doesn't it.

Speaker 14 (25:05):
Well, yes it does, it does gain the authority. But
when you've got Winston Peters coming out and saying he
thinks he's made a fateful error. The problem, as I said,
from Winston's perspective, that you know, further down the track,
say a couple of months time, and he lucks and
moves the vote himself, then some members of caucus can say, well,

(25:28):
have another shot of.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
It, okay, wanting to do it while I put the
hooks before the cart. So what Winston has said is
Luxeon shouldn't have called the leadership vote. It's a very
bad move because there's always an inevitable consequence. This is
not the first time it's going to happen, you.

Speaker 8 (25:42):
See, that's their theory behind.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
So he's basically saying it's setting a precedent. So next
time there's some leak, next time there's a bad poll,
and then there's upset, and then there's leaking there will
be an expectation that he does the same thing and
calls a leadership vote.

Speaker 8 (25:55):
Or he'll be challenged to be saying, look, you've done it, in.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Which case he can do it again. It hasten his
only So it.

Speaker 14 (26:01):
Was interesting in Parliament this afternoon because certainly Christopher Luxon
looked much more relaxed, and rightly so, fair enough, But
Labour's Chris Hopkins put to him an interesting theory. Now
to continue as Prime Minister, he has to have the
majority of the House and make that declaration to the

(26:21):
Governor General.

Speaker 8 (26:22):
Now, the thing is, without knowing the size of.

Speaker 14 (26:25):
The majority who voted for him, it's virtually impossible to
know how many voted against him, with the vote being
a secret ballot, so you don't know the numbers. But
Luxon talked in the House about a unanimous vote, which
you'd have to say in the circumstances it's a little doubtful,
but we'll never know.

Speaker 10 (26:45):
Does the Prime Minister continue to enjoy the unanimous support
of National Party members of Parliament? Absolutely, Christopher Luxeon has
to advise the Governor General that he continues to enjoy
the support of a majority members of Parliament.

Speaker 8 (27:01):
In this House.

Speaker 10 (27:02):
That is absolutely the constitutional position. Somebody cannot be the
Prime Minister unless they can continue to advise the Governor
General that they enjoy this ward of the House. If
they have lost support of some of their own MPs,
then the question of whether or not they enjoy the
confidence of the House is a very legitimate one.

Speaker 14 (27:18):
See the thing is because you will never know because
and maybe the following audio may explain what it actually
means if you do pass a vote of confidence, listen
to the power brokers in the National Caucus and the
numbers don't seem to matter. Here's Nikola with as followed
by Chris Bishop.

Speaker 15 (27:39):
One for all, all for one, and when the caucus
by majority have confidence in the leader, then we all
stand together.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Why did he.

Speaker 15 (27:46):
Touch that confidence motion forward and ask confidence to vote
on whether they had confidence because he wanted to draw
an end to the endless media speculation, to draw a
line under it.

Speaker 16 (27:56):
I think what's most regrettable when we had a bit
of a conversation about this as a caucus is the
sort of briefing to the media anonymously by any number
of people. And so there was a very clear message
given in the caucus by a lot of people actually
to stop doing that, and I'm confident it will stop now.

Speaker 14 (28:14):
So if he's confident, I think you can probably be restitured.
There won't be that much talk in the future. So
what's the confidence though it is successful? Essentially, what they
were saying was that they all have to be on board,
so majorities and numbers don't really matter.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Okay, so do you think that for how long? Does
this put an end to everything or does it put
an end to everything until November?

Speaker 11 (28:39):
Barry?

Speaker 3 (28:40):
In your opinion?

Speaker 14 (28:40):
Yeah, my opinion is it puts an end to everything
until November. I mean, they don't want to be seen
as scrapping within their carcus. That's what I've said right
from the beginning. Heither there won't be There won't be
a replacement.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Look, I don't want I don't want to because I've
already got I've already won one today, So I don't
want to sort of rob salt into the wound. But
if there is any more King before November, bottle of whiskey,
oh about it.

Speaker 14 (29:04):
So we're shaking on a bottle of no but we shake,
we shock on a bottle of the best whiskey. When
I told you the posted Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
And would and I freely admit I owe you a
bottle of whiskey on that. You were right. So can
we put a bottle of whiskey on this? You say
no leadership chat through November, and I say leadership chat
before November.

Speaker 8 (29:24):
Oh, there won't be a chat, but there won't be
a change. No shift whiskey.

Speaker 14 (29:29):
Okay, fine, yep, that's good tourism.

Speaker 8 (29:33):
Tourism.

Speaker 14 (29:33):
Well, I wanted to finish on a nice high note
because tourism to this country means virtually everything in terms
of getting money into the economy. Well, you know that
the farmers benefits them as well. Their towns have visited,
money goes into it. The figures have come in and
the Tourism Minister, Louise Upton Upston was crowing about them

(29:57):
in Parliament and rightly soever listen.

Speaker 17 (29:59):
Over Seas visitor arrivals reached three point five eight million
in the year to February twenty twenty six, which is
an increase of two hundred and twenty nine thousand people
on the previous year. This puts US at ninety two
percent of the pre COVID levels over four hundred and
eight thousand overseas visitors chose to visit New Zealand And
February twenty twenty six. That's over fifty three thousand more

(30:23):
than the same time a year ago.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Mister speaker.

Speaker 17 (30:26):
We are seeing continued growth from our largest visitor market, Australia,
with one point five four million arrivals in the year
to February, up one hundred and twenty three.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Thousand on the year prior.

Speaker 17 (30:38):
Chinese visitor arrivals are also up forty one thousand, seven hundred,
an increase of two hundred and fourteen percent in February
twenty six compared with the same month in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 8 (30:51):
That in your pipe and smoke it.

Speaker 11 (30:52):
I think it's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
It is so great. Thank you, Barry, appreciate it. Bary Sober,
Senior Political Correspondence seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 13 (31:03):
News already this week that the jet field crunch is
real and Europe back here in New Zealand's long haul
fairs are up twenty five percent, transt Hasman twenty Domestic
up ten. Nicol Rabishanka is the CEO in terms of
will we run out of gas.

Speaker 8 (31:15):
It's not going to happen. There are no signs yet.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
That's the situation. We have to deal it.

Speaker 8 (31:19):
That doesn't mean we shouldn't prepare for it, which we are.

Speaker 13 (31:21):
I'm bullish. I don't think the wall's going to restart.
I think they'll cut some sort of deal. The straight
will open in some way, shape or form. If that's
to come to pass, when does your problem finish?

Speaker 2 (31:31):
The trajectory back to normal?

Speaker 18 (31:32):
If indeed your prediction's rate will be a complicated a
return to normal.

Speaker 13 (31:37):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk.

Speaker 14 (31:41):
Z B hither.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
I think it's called double all quits, Bruce your bang on. Actually,
do you know what? I Am going to take that
bit with Barry later on. I'm going to I'm going
to go double all quits and I reckon all end
up with them two nice bottles of whisky actually, and
then yeah, drink them by myself in front of him.
Today would have been the late Queen Elizabeth's hundredth birthday,
and King Charles, as a result, has released a video

(32:03):
talking about his darling mama.

Speaker 19 (32:05):
Queen Elizabeth's promise with destiny kept shaped the world around
her and touched the lives of countless people across our nation,
the Commonwealth, and beyond much about the times we now
live in. I suspect may have troubled her deeply, but

(32:25):
I take heart from her belief that goodness will always
prevail and that a brighter dawn is never far from the.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Horizon goodness, he is hoping She's right. Goodness will always prevail,
and a brighter dawn is never far from the horizon.
At something we probably all would like at the moment. Now,
there is a village in in the White Cuttle called
White Tour, which has had for decades now free drinking
water supplied by Fontira. But it sounds it's like an
old deal that they struck youngs Ago, and it sounds
like Fontira is now gonna pullpen on that. So we're

(32:56):
gonna have a chat to the mayor and just find
out what's going on there. But mixed up Tom Coglin
on whether he's made this whole thing up and it's
all his fault. The media soap opera newstalksb.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
It's Heather duper clan drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else NEWSTALGSB.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Good afternoon. Christopher Luxen has won the confidence vote in
today's caucus meeting. He called it himself to put an
end to the leadership speculation and then how to press
conference and blamed the drama on the media.

Speaker 20 (33:49):
Kiwis expect the media to ask us the tough questions
about our policies, to hold us to account for our
pledges to New Zealanders, and to interrogate us about the things.

Speaker 8 (33:58):
That matter to them.

Speaker 18 (34:00):
Not interested in this media piper opera now.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Thomas Coglan is The Herald's political editor who started off
this latest drama with the story that he broke on Friday,
and he's with us.

Speaker 21 (34:08):
Hi, Thomas here the good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Did you make it up?

Speaker 21 (34:13):
I promise you. I promise you. I did not make
it up. Somewhat to satisfyingly, I cannot reveal the sources
who provided information for the story. The story said it
was based on three sources, which included people who are
in caucus and not in caucus. And that is about
as far as we can go. Obviously, you can understand

(34:35):
and appreciate why people who are giving this information to
the media can't put their names to it. As frustrating
as it may be, but you can also trust that
for us to get to the point where we would
publish something like that, we have to be one hundred
percent sure that it's true, and we are one hundred
percent sure that it's true.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Prime Minister's office has today released a statement which quotes
Stuart Smith as saying that it never happened and he
never tried to contact the Prime Minister like your report.
Your report claimed, Yes, they did release release that.

Speaker 21 (35:08):
It's the first time Smith has commented he was asked
to comment in our story. We continue to know that
our story is correct. They haven't asked for a correction.
Do you think that to my knowledge?

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Sorry, carry on well, and.

Speaker 21 (35:23):
To my knowledge, none of the other media outlets who
also substantiated the story have been asked for corrections yet
either has he been.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
I mean, it is curious that he didn't turn up
at all at caucus today and then put out a
statement four days after the event, and when he had
multiple opportunities to deny that that had happened. Has he
been forced to release the statement backing up his Prime Minister.

Speaker 21 (35:45):
It is suspicious and it would appear that the Prime
Minister's office has has gotten involved, certainly that the statement
came from them them sorry. It was also unusual that
last night The Post, another media outlet, they did get
in touch with Stuart Smith and last night he told
them that he was trying to get to Wellington. He
had struggled to get to Wellington because the weather is
pretty pretty dire at the moment, and then he intended

(36:06):
to get to Wellington this morning. We had someone at
the airport that this morning from six o'clock he didn't
get in. There were no he was not any of
the flights coming into Wellington today. And then of course
we got the statement today saying that he was actually
skipping caucus because of a long standing personal appointment. And
it appeared, it appears with this long standing personal appointment
as perhaps not as long standing as they're saying, because

(36:28):
last night when he was reached by media last night,
he had every intention of coming to Wellington, presumably for
the caucus meeting today.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Okay, so what is your understanding? Were there five of
these troublemakers like the prime Minister's claimed.

Speaker 11 (36:41):
Or more.

Speaker 21 (36:43):
I believe there are probably more of them. These five
names have been floating around for a while. We have
published these names because truth be told, we actually haven't
gone to all of them to ask them whether they
are troublemakers or not, and would probably to go to
them first just to see what they had to say
about the allegation that they are trouble making. Those names

(37:05):
have been going around. I think cam Slater included some
of them in a post on X a few weeks ago.
My head that heard those names before. I wonder whether
there are more trouble makers. I know that there are
more people than this who are dissatisfied and caucus. Whether
whether or not that that to satisfaction extends to trouble making,
I think is an interesting question, but that is one

(37:27):
will be asking.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
All right, listen, Thank you very much, Thomas, appreciate your time.
That's Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor. By the way,
the list of five are silly because the list is
a lot longer than that, and it doesn't take a
lot of Google searching to find it. Five to eleven
together do for cl The inflation number has come in
slightly higher than expected, with the March quarter in add
zero point nine percent instead of the expected zero point
eight percent, which holds the annual inflation at three point

(37:50):
one percent. Independent the coconomists, Cameron Baggery is with us, Hi, Cam,
can we blame this largely on the power prices?

Speaker 22 (37:58):
AH power thood A bit of a diesel petrol kicker
came through in the month of March. But I guess
if you step back and look at the bigger picture.
The bigger picture is that we're going to take an
inflation you have in Q two the June quarter, you
kind of hope that the starting position would not have
been three point one percent. I outside of your one

(38:18):
to three percent inflation target. People were saying headline rate
might be down at two point seven two point eight.
We didn't get a four.

Speaker 8 (38:27):
We got a flat line number.

Speaker 22 (38:29):
You have three point one percent in December quarter last
year has become three point one percent March two thousand
and twenty six. So we're going to see that go
buoying north and the June quarter where you get the
real impact of this will move shop.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Now, what's the explanation for why the pharmaceuticals have spiked?

Speaker 22 (38:48):
Not sure in regard to that that detail, but what
we've seen across the general health group. Yeah, you look
at your medical insurance bills. Now, those things are going
up at double digit rates. But you've got a whole
lot of areas here, whether it be medical assurance, whether
it be your rates, whether it be your electricity bills.
He are they are turbo charging. It's called double digit inflash,
and that makes it pretty hard to achieve two percent inflation.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah, listen, Cam, it's good to talk to you. Thank you, mate,
appreciate a Cameron Baggery, founder of Baggery Economics.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Ever do Okay.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
I have a suspicion that this is nowhere else, so
you may well be hearing this first, because I can't
see that any other media outlet has got this. But
Rod Drury has taken what I think is an extraordinary
step and has released to us just now a statement
in response to the woman who has claimed that he
harrised her sexually. At zero. He says, given the relentless

(39:39):
nature of the reporting, I believe it is important to
provide context. I reject any allegation of wrongdoing. Ali Naylor
and I had a limited consensual relationship ten years ago.
Communications show a friendship over the course of two years,
and that Ali was a willing participant in that limited relationship.
That friendship was based on us working closely together and

(39:59):
having chill ldren of a similar age. We spent time
together socially, including her arranging a visit to my holiday
home over summer. I have given that detail reluctantly to
give more context and accuracy to the nature of the
relationship because the media reporting has been selective and misleading.
Any other relationships I had over that period were consensual
and mutual, obviously indicating there were others. I know I

(40:21):
may be criticized by some for making the statement, but
given the level of attention in the way this has
been reported, I believe it is important to set the
record straight for my sake and my families.

Speaker 9 (40:30):
Now.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
I can't stress enough to you how unusual it is
for somebody who's been accused of something like this sexual
harassment to actually put out a statement and try to
clear their name. I think this statement actually does call
into question the veracity of what the woman has said here,
because this reads very much like there was some sort
of sexual activity going on, right, like limited sexual activity.

(40:53):
Maybe we're not talking fourth base, but we're talking something here,
in which case you have to ask, why is she
complaining about the fact that he had her at her
at his house and asked to kiss her but then
didn't kiss her. Why is she complaining about that when
he reckons at least infers that a lot more happened. Also,
why is she complaining that he tried to kiss her

(41:13):
one time at the apartment but then she arranged to
go to his beach house which hasn't been made public,
which suggests there is selective information being released here. I mean,
I think there are some serious questions here about her
version of events, but also the fact that he's released
this information suggests there's more coming from her. There is
obviously a campaign here, because this looks like a classic
front footing. So I'm guessing we haven't heard the end

(41:34):
of this, But as I say, sounds to me like
you heard it here first quarter past him. If recent
market noise has you second guessing your investment strategy, you
are not alone. I've got asb's chief investment officer, Frank
Jasper here to help us make sense of what is
going on.

Speaker 23 (41:48):
Frank, Hello, hello, and thanks heav Yes, it's certainly been
a chaotic few months globally, which is really unsettling for investors,
the Iran conflict that's impacted on oil supplies, but also
on other industrial qualities as right, real concerns about instation
and slow economic growth. Surprisingly, though markets have really taken
it in their stride and largely recovered losses. Time will tell,

(42:10):
though if that's the right take.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
So what are people meant to do with their investments,
particularly key we savor should they switch to more conservative options?

Speaker 23 (42:18):
As she'll say, this is the time to slow down
decision making, stay the course and focus on what you're
investing for rather than reacting to every market move. But
most of the time then doing nothing boring on oath
and that's usually the right thing to do.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
And what about people planning to buy a first home
or maybe planning to retire soon?

Speaker 23 (42:36):
Yeah, with keep you save it, timeframes and the risk
really matter. Once you're clear on how soon you'll need
your money and what level of risk lets you sleep
at night, you'll like to be in the right fund.
Cashing out and volatile periods can lock on losses. Avoiding
ups and downs might feel safer, but it can hurt
long term returns.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Yeah, that's a reassuring perspective. Thank you very much, Frank.
That was Frank Jasper, chief investment Officer at ASB. And
remember the ASB invest team is here to help guide
you through uncertainty. ASB invest. It pays to know and
to find out more go to ASB dot co dot
z forward slash invest. Heather, you used infer incorrectly. Rod
was implying and you were inferring. Allie, thank you. We

(43:16):
shall do better. Nineteen past five. Now the village of
Whitea and the y Cuttle is going to lose its
supply of free drinking water. It's been getting a water
from Fonterra's local dairy factory for decades, but it's going
to end shortly, so they're going to find a new
place to get the old h two oh. Ash Tanner
is the Mata Mather piacor mayor and is with us.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Hi Ash, yeah, Hi, how are you very well?

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Thank you? So why is it ending? Is this Fonterra?

Speaker 24 (43:38):
Okay, yeah, So Fonterra have been supplying the residence of
Waiter for a long time with their drinking water, which
has been great. There was never an obligation, I guess
to do that, but they did it, and yes, state
of the water. Obviously they are food producing factory. But

(44:02):
I guess you know, from my perspective, I think probably
the motive for the move was anyone that's supplying houses
with water as such then is deemed to be a
water supplier and probably don't want to go under the
new regulatory standard.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
No, it's not this again, is it?

Speaker 11 (44:21):
Ash?

Speaker 12 (44:21):
So?

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Is this this nonsense? This is the same reason why
the Navy ship didn't want to give water to people
who needed water after cycling Gabriel, because they don't want
to get in trouble in case somebody gets some funny
bug out of the water.

Speaker 24 (44:32):
Yeah, well, this is it, and this is what we're
faced with as counselors as well the safety law. Look,
you know, I'm starting my settings here in local government,
and it's no secret that I've been quite vocal about it.
The problem I think we have in this country is
there's an incident and then we have a bit of
a knee jeck reaction and then we set up a

(44:55):
regulatory body to overlook it, and and then sometimes in
my own personal opinion, not necessarily counsel's opinion, that we
go over the top and then we make it harder
to supply it. Yeah, we sure have. You did right there,
one percent totally.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Okay, well, what are you going to do now? It's
going to cost you eight million dollars is it to
get some water from somewhere else?

Speaker 24 (45:19):
Yeah, well, so it comes back to councils supplying it,
you know. So obviously we'd have to run because it's
a real sentiment, we'd have to run pipes all the
way out to wait to be able to supply them.

Speaker 14 (45:31):
That.

Speaker 24 (45:33):
We went out and consulted with the community of Vita
and they've come back out and clear and said he
they would like it to be a reticulated supply. So
that's what we're going through the figures now and just
working out to have the best we can do that.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Well, good luck with it, ashion Thanks for running us
through at Ashtan and Matapia. Do you know what I
mean when I said we stop being adults, like we
stopped being responsible for ourselves and we go, Lord, it's
a it's a whole discussion. We basically go, can someone
keep us safe please? And then we can get into
the met service chat about that because there's eight In fact,
hold the front page hold the press. We are going
to get into the met service chat about that. Five

(46:08):
twenty two.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather du for
cl and Drive with one New Zealand coverage like no
one else newth talks, they'd be Heather.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
I was at a conference at the New Auckland Events
Center today and they wouldn't let more people in because
of health and safety numbers. Apparently it was madness because
it was far from full. Otta what I hate that
new health and safety legislation with such a passion I
can't even begin to tell you. Five to twenty five,
I need to talk about Shane Jones referring to Indian
migrants as a butter chicken tsunami, which seems to have

(46:40):
upset a few few commentators. Look, there is very little point,
I realize in telling people not to be offended by
something like this, because some people simply will. Some people
are very thin skins. They want to be offended. They
especially want to be offended by a character like Shane Jones.
I personally am not offended because I expect this kind
of thing from Shane Jones, and also because I just

(47:01):
don't want to spend that much energy on being offended
at every little thing that we are told we're obliged
to be offended by all the time. But then again,
I'm not Indian and so that will count me out
for some as being unable to hold an opinion on this.
But what I would say to anyone who is offended
by Shane Jones is that this is exactly what he
wants from you. He wants you to be offended. And
I'm not making this up. It is what he said.

(47:23):
He said, This was his explanation for the comment. He
gets cut through in debates by deploying hyperbole. So if
you're furious and then talking about how furious you are
at his outrageous language, you are helping him to draw
more attention to New Zealand First's campaign against the India
Free Trade Deal, which is just pure politics from them,
by the way, because they know they can't stop the deal.

(47:44):
It's being signed next week. Labor's going to support it,
mark my words. So it will pass and it doesn't
matter how much of a tanty New Zealand First packs
about it now, how many concerns they raise and how
many conspiracy theories they dream up it's going to happen,
and it's going to be good for the country, just
like the China FDA which Winston warned us about, was
good for the country. But back to Shane Jones, you
cannot control what Shane Jones says. You cannot punish him

(48:07):
for what he says because he's unrepentant. You can only
choose to draw attention to it or ignore it. It's
your call. Good Heather do for c l Okay, so
you remember how to Heather keeps from met Service, who
is awesome yesterday, by the way, said we do not
have any technology. There's just no technology out there to
be able to predict these thunderstorms that just develop within
an hour from them happening. Right, You just don't have

(48:27):
the computers. There's no supercomputer. Well, old mate, Chester Lampkin
from Earth Science reckons, actually there might be accurate forecasting
is a matter of both resources and money. He says,
unlike the United States, we don't have high resolution models
that could pick up convective events more precisely. So who's
right here? We're going to talk to James Rennick of
Victoria University straight after the News News talks zb.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
The day's newsmakers talk to Heather First, Heather, do they
and drive with one?

Speaker 1 (49:01):
New Zealand and the power of satellite Mobile News Dog said, be.

Speaker 24 (49:06):
It's a second time.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Right to taga business sounds to you. Apparently AI could
unlock up to one hundred and two billion dollars in
economic value in this country every single year if we
use it properly, just by twenty thirty eight, So twelve
years from now. I'm going to have a chat to
Microsoft about that in about an hour's time right now
in the huddle. By the way, of course, is standing
by right now, it's twenty five away from six now.
Yesterday on the show, we discussed Met Service yet again

(49:32):
failing to forecast heavy rain leading to flooding. In this
time it was in Wellington and Ruapehu. Heather Keats from
the Met Service, who was brilliant, told us there is
no technology that can pick this up.

Speaker 12 (49:42):
No, we do have supercomputers.

Speaker 24 (49:44):
We use modeling.

Speaker 25 (49:45):
We use several different models that are all generated from supercomputers.

Speaker 11 (49:48):
Okes.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
So it's not an equipment, No, it's not. But then
today Earth Sciences New Zealand has contradicted that, saying the
United States does have high resolution models that could pick
up these convictive events more precise. We just don't have it.
James Rennick, professor of Climate science as a Victoria University
is with us. Hi, James, Heather Settle this for US, James,

(50:09):
Are there these supercomputers that can do it or not?

Speaker 5 (50:12):
There are serving computers and some of them are in
New Zealand. Both of those stories are correct. You know
Met Service use the best technology. Earth Sites New Zealand
do as well, and you know it's all one organization
very soon, so that's good news. But yeah, it's a
question of really observations of data and how it's used.

(50:33):
So it may be there are companies in the US
that can do a little bit better. But ultimately, for
these very localized rainfall extreme rainfall events where one thunderstorm
delivers a huge amount of rain to one street in
the city, you come up against the sort of chaos
in the weather. You can never be super precise because

(50:53):
we can never observe the weather in enough detail to
be able to predict this at that level of detail.
Met Service do a great job with the technology we have,
which is world leading. But I think the person from
Met Service is right you're never going to be able
to get these forecasts perfect at the scale that we
need them for these really extreme events.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Okay, So James, can I just this is this is
the This is happening with more frequency because of climate change,
isn't it?

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (51:22):
It is?

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Okay, So then if this is happening with more frequency
because of climate change, as in, this will happen more
and more to us and we cannot forecast it, then
is the only way that we deal with this to
have triggers, much more sophisticated triggers, so that when it's happening,
we get a really quick, quick bit of intel to say, hey,
something's happening.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
Yeah, there's there's room to improve in that sense. Met
service forecasting agencies working with civil defense and regional councils
to get word out to people more quickly is definitely
a way forward. And I should say, you know, the
forecast can improve. I'm not trying to say we're doing
the best we posps probably can. Now you can always
have a fast compared with a more high resolution model

(52:04):
that produces more detail at local scale. So there are
improvements that can be made in that sense. In terms
of the computer hardware and so on. But yeah, the messages,
the communication I think is at least as important. So
getting the word out in a way that people can
use it in good time, that's the.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Area like it though.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
I mean, let's say, let's let's take the example of
Island Bay and Wellington. Like all of us, people are asleep,
it's three in the morning. All of a sudden there
is just a huge amount of water. How do you
in the space of I don't know, you know, but
the metservice picks it up and an hour later it's happening,
and then an hour later it's in people's houses. How
do you get that information to people in a way
that keeps them safe.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
Yeah, that's the question, isn't it. And sometimes it's just
not possible. It happens so quickly, and it's a little
bit like an earthquake. You know, you can't predict when
the earth earthquakes are going to happen, and you know,
the science New Zealand can detect them happening and let
people know, but they're happening by that stage. And it's
a little bit like that. With these really extreme rainfall events,

(53:05):
you might be able to have half an hour's warning.
But if it's three in the morning, well that's not
much use because everyone's.

Speaker 8 (53:10):
Asleep and by the time things on our phone.

Speaker 5 (53:15):
Yes, that's true and that can be used, but it's yeah.
I mean, if the timing's really awkward, like it's the
middle of the night, such as it was over the
weekend in Wellington, it's still pretty hard and that's just
the reality. Sometimes these events happen very very quickly.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
True that Hey, thank you James, as always love chatting
to you. James Rennick, Professor of Climate Sciences at Victoria University.
It's twenty away from six.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, a name
you can trust locally and globally.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Huddle this evening, Phil GoF, former Labor Minister, Auckland mayor
Morris Williams and Auckland councilor, former National Party Minister High
lads today Morris, Okay, well do you agree with me
or Winston? I say Luxon did the right thing calling
that leadership vote today. Winston says it was a mistake.

Speaker 18 (54:00):
You say, Phil, oh, I say that doesn't make any
real difference. Look, I don't have any personal problem with
Christopher Luxe, and I found him okay to work with.
He's trying his best, but it's just not working for him.
And he can't put all his speculation to bed unless
he can get the National Party vote up, unless he
can perform better in his media conferences, and unless New

(54:20):
Zealanders start to feel that they've got a hope for
the future and they're better off rather than worse off.
As long as those factors persist, there's going to be speculation,
and that speculation ultimately becomes what they call a self
fulfilling prophecy. You know, he's constantly batting it off, but
you don't hold a confidence vote to show that you

(54:40):
have the support of your caucus. Holding the confidence vote
itself shows that that's in doubt. So it's reinforced the
problem that he's dealing with rather than solved.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Well, then you've just come down on the side of Winston,
Amn't you Okay? What about you, Morris? What do you say?

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Well?

Speaker 25 (54:55):
I agree totally with Phil actually, and I'm trying to
give you a quick analogy. If you're running a big
company and its sales figures are dropping, and they've been
dropping constantly on a downward forty five degree slide for years,
the shareholders in the workforce of that company, you're going
to start looking to the senior management and the CEO
and say, hey, guys, what are you doing to turn
the ship around?

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Now?

Speaker 25 (55:14):
If you do a sort of a circuit breaker, like
pricing structures or marketing strategy or product mix, you'll change
it and you'll start to get back in the market
and sell. But if the sales just keep dropping, you
can't just keep saying, oh, the workforce have got confidence
in me? Is the chief executive? Well, the poor buggers
on the factory floor are looking at losing their jobs
and they're going to be gone. They're going to start

(55:35):
saying one day, hey, it's not us getting all touchy
instead of upset about things that's causing the drop. You
guys at senior management are dropping this place and we
want it changed, and constantly saying to the public like
apt product, and it's better than the others and so on,
when it's not. And every pole that's been coming out
recently showing it's not that just won't even rustle the
leaves on a tree. So I agree with Phil, this

(55:57):
won't make any difference of anything, it'll probably exacerbate backbenches
into more anger and disruption.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Okay, So then okay, Phil Barry Soper says that he
is okay, this is Luxe, and that Luxeon is okay
and like absolutely through to the election and he will
not be rolled.

Speaker 18 (56:13):
You don't think that, well, I think you know, both
Brris and I have been in caucuses where leaders have changed.
The funny thing about if you look at the history
of changing the leadership, you know, whether it was more
taking over from Palma or Shipley taking over from Boulger,
or Collins taking over from Muller, it actually doesn't make
much difference. If the people out there feel that the

(56:36):
party is not delivering, that it doesn't have the ideas,
that it doesn't have the people, you can put whoever
you like up there. And I think I heard Morris
say yesterday that actually what's keeping Christopher Luxin in place
is that there's nobody better to replace him with. Now,
that's a kind of a negative endorsement, but I think
that's true. It's very hard to see some you know,

(56:57):
you haven't got a descinder Dern in the wings there
that can come in and take a party from polling
in the low twenties to the high thirties. I don't
think any of the names that have been mentioned are
capable of doing that, Mars, would you agree with that?

Speaker 25 (57:13):
Hang on, I want to actually say one other thing too.
While Helen Clark was Prime Minister, while John Key was
Prime Minister, there was never one loose comment sleep out
under the doorway because they were doing well, because they
were winning elections, because every time the polling came out.
So if you're delivering at the top, the bottom level
of team will just be on side and work with
you and be happy as But if you know, nothing

(57:35):
focuses the mind like the side of the guillotine, and
there's a whole lot of mats that are going to
be there's a whole lot of gnats that are going
to be going down the toilet on the seventh of
November unless they turn the ship around.

Speaker 6 (57:45):
Marris.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
What I wanted to ask you was what lux and
strategy is today is to say this is all a
media soap opera. Thomas Coglin and everybody else made all
of this up there. Now I've changed my mind. There
aren't five people anymore. It's just the media Stuart Smith
says it never happened. Anybody going to believe this.

Speaker 25 (58:02):
Well, all of that doesn't matter. All of that's irrelevant.
It's what are you polling with the public? Yeah, because
you won't have all of this little you know, niggles
and who said what and my father could beat your
father stuff. It's where you're polling and the graph of
their polling has just been on a forty five degree
consistent slope downwards and I you know he's going to
have to find circuit breakers to turn that around. Not

(58:25):
worry about whether he's got some disgrunt or backbench or not.
That won't change anything.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Yes, a fair point you make. All right, we'll take
a break, come back shortly and talk about Shane Jones.
Obviously call it.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Too the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the
only truly global brand.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
You're back with the Horrace, Morris Williamson, the rest of
the Horrors Huddle, Huddle. It's that kind of day, Marris
Williamson and Phil GoF Morris You are you offended by
Shane Jones's about chicken comments.

Speaker 25 (58:51):
No, Shane's just a very colorful character who has these
wonderful phrases. He's got a phenomenal vocabulary. He knows words
that I've had to look up in the dictionary. Look,
if he made some comment about if we did a
trade deal with Mexico, oh, we'll have a flood of tortillas,
or if we did a trade deal with Italy, y,
there's going to be a whole lot of pizzas flooding.
And it's not a sort of thing to say, but

(59:13):
most of them ministers from India or I have ever
had any dealings with, always had a good sense of humor.
I don't think it's damaging and I don't think.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
It's that racist.

Speaker 25 (59:20):
It's just colorful language from Shane.

Speaker 18 (59:22):
You feel you no, And I take a less charitable
view towards what Shane Jones is doing. Look, I think
Shane Jones should be worried about immigration, not immigration. At
the moment, we're losing the population equivalent to the size
of the city of Napier every year. And they are
young and a hard working, smart, well educated New Zealanders

(59:45):
and they're leaving New Zealand because they don't see that
they have a future here.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Where I get.

Speaker 18 (59:51):
Offended, there's stuff like this that Oh, you know, these
Indians are going to overwhelm our health system. You know
it's true.

Speaker 11 (59:57):
You know that our.

Speaker 18 (59:58):
Hospitals are full of Indians. The other doctors there, the
nurses are, the orderlies, are the caregivers. Our health system
would collapse without the Indian population. Let me just give
you something that I did on said I went to
a wedding and it was a young fellow that was
head boy at Lynfield College when I was in Peace
for Mount Roschool. And he's Indiana, came from Mumbai when

(01:00:20):
he was three and his wife is Indian. She went
to Mount Roschool Grammar, so two very multicultural schools in
my electorate. But they had their friends there from their
school days. I mean the groom was a management accountant
with a really good job. His wife was a doctor
at Waitackeri Hospital. The friends who were Chinese, Korean, European,

(01:00:40):
pacifica they all had good jobs. And this is the
immigrant population in New Zealand, that one point five generation,
working their guts out, paying their taxes, working hard. What
Shane should do is worry about the unemployment in places
like Kaikoe, the drug addiction levels, the closure of factories there, loss.

Speaker 8 (01:01:00):
Of hope and.

Speaker 18 (01:01:03):
Any ambition there. If he focused on real problems instead
of scapegoating Indians or whatever other population might be part
of our rich and diverse New Zealand. Today forty percent
of New Aucklands were born overseas, he'd be doing a
better service, Tod.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
So your problem is not so much with his comments.
It's this whole vibe against the immigrants, which I would
tend to agree with you. I disagree with him on that.
Now listen, both of you have been in council at
council level, and Morris Ustill are so talk to me
about the met service. Let's assume that we cannot predict
what is happening with the thunderstorms that flooded Auckland three
years ago and has flooded Wellington and a pair who Now,
if we can't predict it, it's going to happen. How

(01:01:40):
do we warn people. Have we got a system?

Speaker 25 (01:01:43):
Well, I think you just got to get better use
of technology the whole time. We've got devices now that
go off in the middle of the sort of thing
and scared. But Jesus out of you. If you've got
really good computer systems and good satellite scanning and you
can see something forming in Island Bay and you realize
the rental rain has just started. It must be able
to get better. I'm not saying that there was anything

(01:02:04):
wrong with what happened, but over time, I think technology,
faster processing systems, better comms devices and ability to get
into household and say you need to get out because
this is really serious. So I just think it'll happen
over time. We'll just get better and better and better
at managing it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
And Phil, can we actually use this excuses in the
middle of the night people are sleep and we can't
do anything about it.

Speaker 18 (01:02:26):
No, I don't think you can use that excuse. I mean,
I think they probably overused the emergency warning on your
cell phone. I got about four calls when the cyclone
was coming through. But look how you respond. I mean
the disaster in Auckland in twenty twenty three showed that
the mayor and council weren't ready to deal with the problem.

(01:02:48):
And you know, I think Mayor Brown would be the
first to acknowledge that. And the other disaster is that
in the past, when we've tried to stop an Auckland
council developers developing on floodplanes were overruled by the Environment
Court under the RMA. So we've done some stupid things
over time, we meaning you know, past councils by allowing

(01:03:10):
people to build in places where it's not safe to build,
and the system failed in that regard. And what we're
failing on now, of course, is how we cope with
the fact that when people lose their homes they can't
get insurance. How do we help people through that situation?
And I think that's where you really need a strong
bipartisan approach across the country and counsel and government working

(01:03:33):
together to make sure we can protect people who if
you can't ensure your house, your house has no value
and you've lost the most important investment you've made. We've
got to prepare for that, and we're not prepared for that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
We really are. He Phil, Phil, Thank you, Phil GoF
Morris Williamson our huddle. This evening eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
It's the Heather Dupasyl and Drive Full Show podcast on
my Hard Radio powered by Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Heather the houses that were flooded and bar and pool
with turn of the century villas. That's a fair point.
I mean, this was not a case what we're talking
about in Wellington was obviously not a case of building
on floodplains. I mean, we've been in Island Bay for
god knows how long. It was like century plus. Here
the localized dumps of rain possibly results of rocket launchers,

(01:04:20):
just follow the clouds from them.

Speaker 8 (01:04:21):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
I did get a text about cloud seating before, and
I was like, we are we doing this and we're
doing the clouds and the rocket launchers. But evidently we are,
and look, it does make it a lot more fun.
I'll tell you that if you're looking for an alternative
theory to climate change, it's plausible. And the rocket we've
got a lot of rockets nowadays in New Zealand.

Speaker 21 (01:04:39):
If they're seating clouds, they know where the clouds are,
so met Service would be able to give us a warning, then, wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
They, Well, would you think so, unless they're seeding the
clouds on us deliberately to mess with us, which frankly,
you know right we deserve, Heather. When are you media
types going to stop making up fake stories and attempting
a co We're sick of it. Okaykelt I'm gonna let's
just wrap up this business. I think the Prome Minise
has put this to bed for now, so let's just
wrap this up, acare. I think that the Prime Minister,
as I said at the start of the show, played

(01:05:03):
a blinderring car because I disagree. I mean, I agree
with Winston that it's set a precedent, but for now,
which really like this was a short term play from
the Prime Minister. I think it was a blinder by
calling that leadership vote because it just took the steam
out of this thing, and it will have taken the
steam out of the thing for a while. And I
think even holding the press conference and then walking away
with authority without questions was the smartest thing to do.

(01:05:24):
If there was a flaw in his plan, it was
blaming the media for this and pretending this was all
just a media soap opera dreamt up by the media
and nothing was really going on. I think it will
work for people who want to believe that nothing was
going on. If you really want to believe there was
nothing going on, this works for you. But anybody who's
been looking at this critically and in an unbiased way

(01:05:45):
will have seen plenty of evidence there was a lot
going on and it just wasn't believable to blame the media,
right because yesterday he said there were five MP's. Today
it was a media concoction. The other day he was
demoting Chris Bishop massively and punishing him. Today it was
a media concoction. Stuart Smith, I think was biggest tell
today didn't even turn up to the meeting, right he
and then was forced, clearly force to release a statement

(01:06:06):
saying nothing, none of it happened. Or he could have
said that on Friday when he was talking to them,
when the media were calling him going as Thomas coldlin Wright.
Didn't say it then did he last night? Didn't say it,
didn't deny it then then today's all of a sudden
denying it. That's a bit weird four days later. But
I think the most problematic, I think the biggest reason
that it's a problem to have blamed the media is,
as Barry Soper said a number of times on this show,

(01:06:29):
the press gallery has been hostile to Chris Luxon from
the day that he got the job. They have given
him such a hard time. Do you think they are
going to go lighter on him now that he's blamed
them for.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
All of this?

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
I mean, I think it will make them want to
prove something anyway do business confidence? Next day News DOGSB.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
What's up, what's down? What were the major calls and
how will it affect the economy? The big business questions
on the Business Hour they had the DUP and mas
insurance and investments, your futures in good hands Ustorf.

Speaker 26 (01:07:05):
Z B.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Even in coming up in the next hour, Microsoft's New
Zealand boss on how AI is going to unlock about
one hundred and two billion dollars worth of productivity in
this country in the next twelve or thirteen years. Jamie
McKay with us shortly and then Ender Brady out of
the UK right now to seven past six now business
confidence has fallen. Not surprising. This is according to the
New Zealand Institute of Economic Research its latest quarterly survey.

(01:07:29):
It shows a net one percent of business leaders have
confidence the economy will improve over the coming coming months,
which is a sharp drop from thirty nine percent net
who felt optimistic at the end of last year. Alan
MacDonald is EMA's head of advocacy and strategy and with
us Hi Allen Heyver, I mean this will be ultimately
sheated back to the Iran.

Speaker 27 (01:07:50):
War, right, yeah, and there's a few indicators around that
show that things are really quickly coming off the boil
in terms of confidence and just looking your head just
at the wrong time of course.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Okay, I mean, does that drop off in optimism realistic?
Are people being realistic or they being too gloomy?

Speaker 27 (01:08:10):
I think it's just put a handbrake on the expectations
they have. I mean, if you look at the say,
for example, the Performance of Manufacturing index that had five
or six consecutive months of being positive based on forward orders,
based on intent to invest in, based on intent.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Too and hire.

Speaker 27 (01:08:25):
So people are looking ahead and think things are going
to get better, and then we get this great big
handbrake with the around conflict that's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Tell you what was surprising. I think construction industry was gloomy,
which wasn't at all a surprise, but manufacturing was reasonably upbeat.
Thirty four percent net of manufacturers are expecting economic conditions
to improve.

Speaker 27 (01:08:45):
Why Well, I think the answer lies and further into
the report where comments on the export forward orders holding
up quite strongly. And if I look at our own
membership base, probably about just slightly under thirty percent, identify
a manufacturers and a similar number identify as exporters when
actually they're probably both for many of them are and

(01:09:06):
the export orders, as we know, have have been holding
things up. But also if you delve into the PMI
the performance of manufacturing one, while manufacturing had come off
the boil a little bit, sixty plus percent of the
comments were negative. And then when we surveyed our own
members on the impacts of the fuel crisis, more than

(01:09:27):
eighty percent of them were expecting their own activity to
reduce will be impacted negatively. So I think the longer
list goes, the more those manufacturing numbers might start to
reflect what that overall business confidence numbers and the NZII survey.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
What's the biggest problem for manufacturers at the moment is
it access to energy?

Speaker 27 (01:09:48):
Well, access to energy includes electricity as well as fuel.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
That's a longing, but.

Speaker 27 (01:09:57):
To fuel back coming through strongly and structure. As you've
mentioned the distribution sector, we know the problem with plastics
and the costs going into their retail activity coming off
the boil, and hospow industry also saying that numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Spelling, I think we're probably never there. Sorry about the
quality of that. That was Allan McDonald EMA's head of
Advocacy and Strategy. Not altogether as surprise as I said
that the confidence number has fallen off. We're just following
what's happened in Australia just a couple of weeks ago. Obviously,
here are a few more interesting numbers out of that.
So a net five percent of businesses expect to cut staff,

(01:10:35):
a net twelve percent of businesses are planning to scale
back investment in buildings over the coming year, and a
net nine percent of planning to reduce spending on planter machinery.
So if you wonder what a slowdown looks like, it's
exactly that. Let me give you the numbers ends it
X fifty is up zero point one three percent today,
ASX fifty is down zero point one five percent so
far today, a barrel of Brent crude now costs ninety

(01:10:57):
four US dollars. It's down one percent. One New Zealand
dollar is worth fifty nine US cents, eighty two Australian cents,
fifty euro cents, forty four ukpens, ninety four yen. It's
eleven past six.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
It's the head Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on my Heart Radio powered by newstg ZEPPI.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
We all do it, don't we. We overthink the big things,
the job security, the mortgage rates that lump in our neck,
and then we overthink the little things as well. What
night has beens night tonight? Why has cheese become a
luxury item? But as a member of this New Zealand grown,
member owned mutual, you can rest easy knowing that your
future is in good hands. MAZ is an insurance and
investment mutual. They've been putting their members worries to bed

(01:11:37):
for over one hundred years now, and this year, which
by the way, is the tenth year in a row,
MAS members have voted them consumer People's choice for house
contents and car insurance. MAZ offers premium insurance and investment products,
expert advice and exceptional service, all with your needs at heart.
So whether you want to grow your wealth or protect
your future, MAS has got you covered. Join the thousands

(01:11:59):
of satisfied members who trust MAZ to protect what matters most.
Your future is in good hands with MAZ. Visit MAS
dot Co dot nz Keller do for c Allen officials,
by the way, have in in ordered to start working
on that critical minerals deal with the United States. Now,
if you think about I thought were already doing it,
that was actually paused. I didn't realize it was paused
earlier in the in the year after the news got

(01:12:21):
out that Trump wanted to do this deal with US.
But now because there is a multinational agreement and there
are a whole bunch of others that we could sign
up to as well, we're now back at it because
it's not just US in the US, it's US with
all the other countries. And Shane Jones reckons this might
make all the handbringers who hate Trump settle down a bit,
which to me is just nuts that we would go, no,
we don't want to know, We don't want to do

(01:12:42):
a deal because it's with Donald Trump. Oh there are
other people, Now we'll do that. How could you actually,
why would you want to give up money because it's
just because it's Donald Trump. It's nutty quarter Pas.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
The Rural Report, we're Farmland's for smarter deals on big
ticket investments this season.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Jamie McKay hosted The Countries with us Alo Jamie Good.
I hear that speaking of money, what's the prediction for
the GDT.

Speaker 6 (01:13:04):
Well, this is the I was going to say the penultimate,
that's not the right word. It's the third last GDT
auction of the dairy year, remembering that the dairy year
finishes on May thirty one, So we've got one tonight
and then a couple in May, and that's it. Look
it's milk powders or milk products. Commodities are holding up

(01:13:25):
remarkably well. The prediction for tonight's auction is for the
powders whole milk powder and skim milk powder to be
up a couple of a percent, the fats to be
down a similar amounts. Overall increase because remember the waiting
of the basket of goods is in favor of the powders,
especially whole milk powders, is for the whole index to
be up one to two percent. And I haven't looked

(01:13:48):
at the futures today, Heather, but yesterday they were trading
for the current season at about nine dollars eighty. Remembering
that Fonterra is at nine seventy at the moment, and
more perhaps of more interest for next season. You can
go and buy a trade if you want, at nine
dollars forty. That's a pretty solid number. I would have
thought with everything going on in the world at the moment. Now,

(01:14:09):
the problem for the dairy farmers is not the income
side of the ledger. It's the cost column, the fuel,
the furt, the freight. And it's all very well having
a good income, and I think dairy farmers will again
next year. It's just how much it's going to cost
them to get that milk.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Now, can you explain to me what the New Zealand
wool was doing up there in space?

Speaker 11 (01:14:32):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:14:32):
And he read about this one today, although I did
actually know, because I knew that NASA was using wool
air filters from a country, a company called Larnaco, and
they had them on board on Artemis two. Of course,
the first crude lunar fly by in fifty years a
fire in weightlessness, and I've learnt this today as well.

(01:14:55):
Here that can create some unique challenges because there's not
only smoke and other toxic particles floating about, but there's
also water droplets floating around as well, So it's pretty
hard to put out a fire in space. That's where
some of these filters come in, and they can use
them to stop fires on things like laptops, or phone
batteries were that to happen. Astronauts in these situations would

(01:15:21):
put on safety hoods that have breathing canisters, and the
ones that contain the Lanaco filters can last a whole
lot longer than the ones with the sort of plastic filters.
They can mouth and get all sorts of gunk and
them they're only good for about ten minutes, while the
Wall ones are good for up to one hour long.
So that's a great story for New Zealand Wall. And

(01:15:44):
they're also investigating filtering moondust for when the astronauts actually
do land on the Moon. I think that's twenty twenty eight.
And so if an astronaut is astronaut is walking on
the lunar surface and wants to re enter the accommodation
and get all the pesky moondust off them, then that's
where these applications from the New Zealand Wall can be

(01:16:07):
used as well. So, yep, we played our part.

Speaker 12 (01:16:10):
What is it?

Speaker 6 (01:16:10):
One small step for Man, one giant leap for New
Zealand Wall.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
Oh, yep, you're such a dad sometimes that no, you
really are. You're really lame, but that's what we love
about you. Hey, I know we've had a bit of
problem with the fertilizer and the prices are going up,
but have we still got supply that's holding up.

Speaker 6 (01:16:29):
Actually, just before you get me for dad jokes, hether,
that was a line I stole directly from our n Z.
So it's Red Radio's responsibility.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Not mine.

Speaker 6 (01:16:37):
Yeah, okay, what was the question again? Sorry, I'm just
you put me off my game?

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
Is our furtive nothing important? Just is our fertilizer supply?

Speaker 6 (01:16:45):
Okay, yeah, it's a bit like the fuel really from
my take, the supplies. Okay, at this stage, we've got
enough for the autumn. Obviously over the winter we don't
put the stuff on, but we do need. Probably the
biggest season for application is the springtime, so that'll be
the big question that the fertilizer. This is ultimately for

(01:17:06):
the world, could be even a bigger problem than the
fuel because we talk about twenty percent of the fuel
going through the muz state straight well, Iran, Qatar Saudi
Arabia supplied thirty six percent of global exports of yurea
last year and that all would have gone through a
certain waterway. So that's a real problem and the international

(01:17:28):
Monetary Fund is saying food security could be threatened with
disruptions to fertilizer markets ahead of the planting season and
to a substantial food price inflation and shortage. The good
news is balance and ravens down. Our two biggest fertilizer
co ops are saying we've got enough for the autumn,
and they're discouraging farmers from stockpiling the fertilizer because the

(01:17:52):
quality the product quality can decline if it's stored for
a long time. So steady as she goes, just watch
that fertilizer price.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Yeah, I will do. Thank you very much, Jamie, appreciate it.
Jamie McKay hosts of the Country. Here the how many
actually read this out as it says, how many bits
of paper does hear?

Speaker 6 (01:18:08):
This screw up?

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
In her show?

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
A lot.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
I do screw up a lot of bits of paper
and I can't explain it. And I reckon that. I
reckon that there will be there. You know how you
get these behavioral psychologists who can like look at whether
you when you're answering a question you look up upwards
to the left or upwards to the right, and they
go cheat lying or oh no, that's the truth. Oh
that's a memory, that's a lie. You know how they
have all these like weird little things, your little tells,

(01:18:35):
they interpret them. There will be there will be a thing.
There will be a thing about me screwing up papers,
and it will be a tell of something like derision
or nervousness or low selfest to I don't know what
it'll be, but anyway.

Speaker 21 (01:18:49):
So who knows what that expert could make of all
the pen tapping.

Speaker 8 (01:18:52):
On the desk that you and other hosts do.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
That making my point like like you know, like some
full stops there. But I'll tell you what I do
often think about that, So don't think that I do
it without that I'm callous about the trees that I
am fully aware I have slaughtered throughout the show. But
it is, unfortunately, just one of those shows. It's one
of those jobs that you cannot do without paper. It just,

(01:19:16):
unfortunately is like an accountant who makes you print out
all your tax returns and stuff like that. It's just
like that, do you know what we're going to talk to?
But on the other side, of course, paper has been
eclipsed by AI. So it made me think of that
we're going to talk to Sarah Karney, who is the
Microsoft Australia New Zealand boss. Well, she's not the boss,
she's the Chief Technology Office. But anyway, Microsoft has got

(01:19:36):
their big global boss in the country at the moment,
and so they've come out with this number and they've said,
if we all start adopting AI across New Zealand, we
can unlock about one hundred and two billion dollars worth
of productivity in this country. And basically how it works
is that they think, well, if AI can do three
hours of your job for you, that's three hours you've
got to do. You've got to use some other way,
and you could use it by i don't know, being

(01:19:58):
more productive and doing some other thing. And they're making
country richer. But I call bs on that. I've got
to say that to her face. But I call bs
on that because when you have three hours out of
your job, do you actually spend it on more work
or do you find some other thing to do with it?
Like most of the time, I reckon it'll be mindless
scrolling on Facebook, or it will be cleaning the house

(01:20:20):
or something, or just more admin. I have thought about that.
I reckon what I've spent it on. I freed up
about it. Half an hour an hour a day use
the AI. I go to the gym with that, So
it's not completely mindless, although some would say it is.
But anyway, we'll ask her what We'll ask her to
back this up and tell us what she thinks she
will we do with these three hours she's with us
after half past at six twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all
on the business hour with the duper cur and mas
insurance and investments, your futures in good hands, US talks vhither.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
It's simple. Screwing up paper all the time makes you
a drama queen. So the AI which is always a
really great place to go and diagnose yourself, especially if
you're like am I on the spectrum. Am I on
this always yes. It's apparently screwing up or tearing up
papers identified as a mechanism for releasing anger, stress, and anxiety.

(01:21:15):
It can be an anger management tool. A study from
Japan indicated that physically destroying or throwing away papers containing
negative thoughts or negative feedback like a bad grade or
bad texts from you, helps people put that anger behind them.
Symbolic disposal. It is the interpretation of disposal literally throwing
away the negativity that matters or OCD anxiety symptom. Obsessive

(01:21:37):
paper handling or tearing can also be a sign of
a compulsion, a nervous tick or a sensory smoothing mechanism
mechanism stimming linked to anxiety disorders, but also at the
bottom that it says it could be autistic, so consistency.
From AI six twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 8 (01:21:55):
We don't tuck up room.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
So there's a new series being on Disney Plus called Love.
Are called songs in sign language, and it's basically what
it says on the tin. They've taken three Disney classics,
They've gone back and reanimated the sequence. So now all
the characters are signing along to the lyrics while they're singing.
The three songs they've chosen to kick off this project
are the Next Right Thing from Frozen two Beyond from

(01:22:19):
Mwana Too, And of course we don't talk about Bruno
from Enchanto in Canto. Enchanto, I don't know, I'm not
for anyway in Canto apparently says ants who is for?
So This is a collaboration between Disney and the Deaf
West Theater and it's the latest in Disney's attempt to
make their content as accessible as possible, no matter how niche.
You may remember they did this with Mwana right they

(01:22:40):
did the fully Day or Mahori version. Anyway, the only
issue with this is that it's in American Sign language
and I don't know if you know this, but that
is not the same as New Zealand sign language. Really
simple signs like house, eatful, thank you are completely different
across the languages. So if you have a deaf kitty
at home, you can show them to this to be
like how cool is that? Yes, but they're not going

(01:23:01):
to understand what the characters are saying. So that took
a very negative turn, didn't it. Let's talk about AIX
that the boss of Microsoft New Zealand News talks EB
You're need.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Of face and black.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Screen everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business
hour with hand, the dupl and mas, insurance and investments,
your futures in good ads used talks NB.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
But over in the UK, Kiir Starmer is now halfway
through his forty eight hours of things are getting really
hairy and his job being on the line. So end
of Brady will be at us in ten minutes and
talk us through that. Right now, it's twenty four away
from seven. Now. There is a claim that AI could
unlock up to one hundred and two billion dollars worth
of economic value every year from New Zealand in the
next twelve years. This is according to Microsoft, which has

(01:24:04):
just had its global CEO in Auckland, and Microsoft is
also promising to upscal two hundred thousand kiwis in AI
before twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 6 (01:24:12):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
Sarah Khney is the Chief Technology Officer at Microsoft Australia
New Zealand. I Sarah, hello, he that thanks for having
me along. So explain to me how AI is going
to do this. How are we going to get one
hundred and two billion dollars out of it?

Speaker 26 (01:24:25):
Look, there are so many opportunities, but based on our
piece of research that was done just last year, New
Zealand has two really specific opportunities in this moment. The
first is unlocked through data centers. Nice stable geopolitical environment here,
land available and great renewable resources. But the one I
want to focus on is applications. Every time I spend
time with Kiwi companies. The innovation is insane and applications

(01:24:50):
is how you get to that one hundred billion dollar number,
like that is the opportunity here right now. And so
skilling is how you unlock that, teach people how to
use the tools and then set them free.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
I mean, is that basically because we free up enough
time for those people to do other tasks with their time,
that then earns one hundred and two billion dollars.

Speaker 26 (01:25:09):
Part of it is that, but part of it is
the innovation that you can create. So at the moment,
we're also buried in those tasks that we can't find
the next innovation, the next application, the next unicorn that
should be coming out of New Zealand, and so by
freeing up some of that time, you can do that.
But part of it is also people have great ideas
and they don't know how to bring it to life,
and this now bridges that gap for them. So by

(01:25:30):
putting AI tools into their hands, they can now actually
create that innovation themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
Okay, So I mean one example obviously is it is
it called Halter, the New Zealand business that uses AI
with accounts. Yep, that's brilliantsolutely okay, But for take a
workerlike me, Okay, what actually happens when we unlock our
time we get the AI to do something that maybe
takes a three hour task down to one hour, what
do we actually spend the remaining two hours on?

Speaker 26 (01:25:56):
Okay, this is the perfect question we should be talking about,
because unless you're being really clear on what you're going
to spend that time on, what.

Speaker 11 (01:26:02):
Do we do?

Speaker 26 (01:26:03):
We waste it on more email, more admin and so
it's really important that we're actually thinking actively about what
we do with that time so that you don't fall
back into those administrative tasks and just add more admin
to your day that you can then lift. So what
are the higher value things you could be doing? We
all sit in our jobs wishing we had time to
do other things. This is now that moment, So it's

(01:26:24):
how do you make sure you're creating that list of
other things that we've always wanted to do, more strategic activities,
getting back to the community, Like lots of organizations are
being beautiful about how they do this. In fact, one
company in Australia's given their work as a nine day
working fortnight because now they're so efficient they get a
day off every fortnight.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
Who doesn't want that quite right now? And the other
thing that is happening, obviously, is that businesses are using it.
I mean, it's replacing humans, right, And so the one
thing that's been expressed to me is that the concern
that middle managers have now is that they're getting the
AI to do the work that an entry level like
a graduate would do. And the problem now is that

(01:27:03):
when they need to promote somebody up into the middle level,
there isn't anybody because I always been doing it. How
do we get around there?

Speaker 26 (01:27:10):
I would charge the notion that AI is now doing
jobs that humans are doing. So I think we have
this weird need to keep hold of all of our tasks.
Let's say our tasks are made up of ten things
that we do. For some reason, we have this incredible
need to hold on to all ten, and so if
we do give away four of them to the AI,
we suddenly think that AI can take all of our job,
and it can't.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
So that's the first piece of it.

Speaker 26 (01:27:33):
And I think what we actually need to address is
most organizations I talk to are hiring more or at
least the same number of graduates as they always have,
but they now have different expectations. So instead of coming
in like you think as a junior lawyer, what do
you do? You troll through pages and pages of documents.
You do mergers and acquisitions. So instead of doing that

(01:27:53):
now they're interrogating that information. Now they're lifting their skills
to a different level. So I see tends to be
acceleration to the next level of skills and capability as
opposed to losing that graduate intake.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
Sarah, do you think that we need government regulation?

Speaker 26 (01:28:09):
We like the approach that the government is taking putting
in place guardrails to make.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
Which is to say no because the government's not doing
anything in the regulations. Well, personally I love it. I
hate rules for the sake of rules, But can you
mount an argument for why we should have some rules here?
I think I'm a big fan of guardrails.

Speaker 26 (01:28:25):
I think we absolutely want to make sure this is
being done responsibly and human centered.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
So that's why I think.

Speaker 26 (01:28:31):
You know, the governments I see globally doing this really
well are putting in place guardrails as opposed to stringent
regulations that make it more onerous. Do you think about
how many small businesses we have in the country, you
put in place stringent regulation that makes it really hard
for them to actually then innovate, so guardrails and looking
at how we make sure it is being done really
responsibly and in line with the way the government wants

(01:28:53):
us to move forward.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
I'm all on board with that. Now. Do you think
we should be worried about mythos Ai.

Speaker 26 (01:29:00):
Absolutely not. Absolutely amazing innovation that we see coming out
from some of our partners.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
But then why have they stopped rolling it out the
full gamut?

Speaker 26 (01:29:09):
They have it in testing with a number of different companies.
Microsoft is one of those companies that they have it
in testing with because they're taking a very responsible approach to.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
How they release that product. Sarah, thank you for talking
us through. Appreciated that. Sarah Khanney, chief Technology Officer at
Microsoft Australia New Zealand. If you wonder what I'm talking
about with the mythoss Ai, that's the one where it
was supposed to be rolled out and then it was
pulled before it was completely rolled out because it's just
so good at finding cybersecurity holes that it was actually

(01:29:38):
too dangerous to release, like it would potentially potentially find
all kinds of exploit all kinds of problems in platforms
that we rely on, and as a result of that,
bankers Astralia, in the US and the UK have been
called into meetings and warned about it. So there you go,
eighteen away from seven on that subject. Actually, Google reckons

(01:30:01):
it's Gemini AI to stop about ninety nine percent of
scam ads from reaching people on the Internet, So its
it's blocked or this is just the AI has done
this as blocked or removed over eight point three billion
malicious advertisements globally, suspended twenty five million advertiser accounts for
policy violations severe policy violations, intercepted six hundred and two
million ads specifically tied to fraud scam operations, and disabled

(01:30:24):
four million accounts directly associated with active scam campaigns. So
next time you see Tony Street popping up in your
Facebook offering you some random weird thing like invest your
cryptocurrency with me, and you look at that and you go,
that's not really Tony Street. That's probably a scam. Next
time you see that and then Facebook goes, oh, we
didn't know, we can't stop it, and it's really well, yeah,

(01:30:45):
you probably can just use the AI now there is
controversy in Gore because I didn't realize that well, I
didn't realize any of what I'm about to tell you.
They have named the trout, so they had some sort
of a public thing. They did it with Hokanui Gold
Slow radio station. They went through a public voting and
they decided that the trout's name should be Trevor. Now

(01:31:06):
I looked at that and thought, what's the controversy. I
don't know that there's any more as there a more
Gore name than Trevor. I mean apart from Barrie obviously,
which you know that would have been an obvious one.
But as there's no alliteration, there's not Barry the trout,
is it. It's here that the trout according to Barry,

(01:31:26):
but it's Trevor the trout. Anyway. It's a controversy because
apparently the trout is a lady, because apparently it was
caught by a local fishing guide, Bert Harvey, and the
belief is that when Bert pulled the fish up, the
fish was a lady, and therefore the fish was known
as Trixie. Just saying sixteen away from seven ef it's to.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Do with money.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
It matters to you the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy,
Allen and Mas Insurance and investments, with your futures in
good hands US talk sed be hither.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
The conversation with Microsoft was very underwhelming, a lot of
corporate consulting speaker. Not one material example of where AI
is taking New Zealand to the next level. Halter is
technology and algorithms. It's not AI. AI will not add
its real value in your middle management emails, but in
areas like pharmaceuticals, advanced manufacturing, humanoid robotics, and healthcare eg.
Alpha fold for proteins. AI will add value doing the extraordinary,

(01:32:23):
not the mundane tasks of middle management. That's from Craig.
Got a text from Murray actually, which I thought was
quite pertinent to this. I remember Heather, back in the
eighties and the early nineties, com computers were going to
free us up, blah blah blah. Now we're even more
unproductive than ever. Go figure Murray. And that goes back
to something that I studied, and I can't really think
it was Mark Twain. This was back when I was
doing my postgrad Mark Twain. It was what the economics

(01:32:46):
class that I was doing with Tim Watts's name, who's awesome.
It'll come to me at some stage, probably in the
middle of the night. Anyway, Mark Twain, I think it
was wrote a piece on technology and predicted that we
would basically have no work left to do by I
think it was about twenty years ago, based on technology.
Did that happen? No, it never does. We find weird
ways to fill our time, and nothing ever frees us

(01:33:07):
up twelve away from seven. Inda Brady, UK, correspondent with.

Speaker 7 (01:33:10):
Us elo Inda, Hey, Heather, great to speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
Right, he is halfway through the bad times. The priss
ap points how's he gone so far?

Speaker 7 (01:33:19):
Look he's hanging on. He's like a boxer who's just
been taking punches for eleven rounds, but today is round twelve.
Because Oli Robbins, Sorry, sir Oli Robbins, this civil servant
from the Foreign Office who Stamer says didn't tell him
that Peter Mandelson had failed a vetting process to be
Britain's ambassador to America. Well, this Oli Robbins will speak

(01:33:41):
today to basically a panel of politicians and give his
version of events. It's like a parliamentary hearing type thing,
and I think he's going to hang Stamer to dry.
He's going to tell he's going to say that. Ultimately
Starmer bulldogs the decision through because come Heller high Water,
he wanted man and then jumping in overnight, President Trump says,

(01:34:04):
and this is extremely unhelpful for Starmer, Trump saying that
Mandleson was a terrible pick to be ambassador to America.

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
Now what makes us think that he will actually spill
the tea here rather than doing the right thing that
public stivans always do in protecting their bosses.

Speaker 7 (01:34:19):
Because he's been sacked, he's angry, he feels he's done
nothing wrong. It's all over the front pages. I mean,
someone close to him has briefed every word of what
he's going to say today. It's all over the newspapers.
And if he delivers as he's saying, it's basically his
word against the Prime minister. But look, the one point
I would make, Heather is we're paying almost four dollars
a liter for diesel here, Inflation is going through the

(01:34:42):
roof unemployment, cost of living. You know, it's very much
a Westminster bubbled story about who knew what about the
vetting processes, which seem to be extraordinary in tricket. How
does this impact the average British family working and striving
and trying to make ends meet. Doesn't They don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
They're not even tuning in for it, not at all.

Speaker 7 (01:35:04):
Not in the slightest. It's all give what's that from
political journals and they're like, oh, this is amazing. Get
you know popcorn emojis? Yeah, most people aren't buying popcorn
at the supermarkets anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
Fun of the sad point that you say, my day
and listen, how about are these tube strikes going to be?

Speaker 7 (01:35:20):
So they start in three hours and ten minutes, so
as of mid day here there will be no tube
network ring whatsoever. And that's today and Thursday and again
two days next week. And these are tube drivers earning
north of one hundred and twenty thousand n Z dollars.
And if I was Prime Minister, I would bring in

(01:35:40):
a bill where anyone working on critical infrastructure that is
trying to get some growth into this economy and drive
the UK forward cannot go on strike. This is happening
every few months. And if I sound angry, it's because
I've got into work and I don't know how I'm
getting home. And this is happening all the time. Tube
this morning, by the way, half empty, there was me
and about six Ukrainian lads heading off to a building site.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
That was it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
Jase, it's not very good, is it. You've been chetting
to the Ukrainian foremnist by the way.

Speaker 7 (01:36:09):
Yes, to have So just come back from Antalia Diplomacy
Forum in Turkey. One hour I had live with Andri
Sbiha is his name, Ukraine Foreign Secretary. Fascinating interview. So
he's told me that last month the Ukrainians month to
month have now killed thirty thousand Russian soldiers by drone strike.

(01:36:34):
They're putting the drones up, he said, they're just picking
them off. And the phrase he used three times in
the interview, we hold the line. That was what he
said three times, and he said Russia cannot win. We
are not losing. We hold the line. And one other
little piece of information from the battlefield, directly from the
Foreign Secretary of Ukraine, Andre Sibia told me they now

(01:36:55):
have more than three hundred foreigners in their jails in
Ukraine who they've caught in Russian uniform on the battlefields.
They've even arrested guys from Kenya who were fighting from Russia.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Wow, that's strange. I suppose that does happening. Actually we
are aware of it, and Inda, thanks very much, look
after yourself. Into Brady, UK Correspondent Eight Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
It's the Heather Too plus allan drive full show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk Zebbie.

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
Yeither, don't worry about screwing up all that paper. Pinus
radiata are a rotational crop and a renewable resource. Simon,
thank you made me feel so much better about that.
It kind of makes me feel worse about it because
I don't like the pinus radiator in this country. But whatever. Anyway,
now Gap, if you loved Gap in the nineties, because
Gap was awesome in the nineties, wasn't it though? That

(01:37:43):
was a cool thing to where if you love it,
then you might be happy to know that the fashion
retailer is trying to stage a bit of a comeback
and they have got Victoria Beckham on board and they're
gonna unleash or unveil as they would say, They're gonna
unveil a collection on Friday, and they're gonna have Victoria Beckham.
Is a good good shout from them because the bird
knows how to dress like she knows what's classy. In fact,

(01:38:04):
I drive a car that was designed by Victoria Beckham.
When we can talk about whether that was a smart
idea at some stage or not, but it does look
nice anyway. Thirty eight pieces will be in the collection.
It includes a range of what they what they call
GAP classics, So like thete Capri pants, which were really
fashionable Causarah Jessica Parker wore them in the two thousand
and four Gap advert, they're bringing them back. And then

(01:38:26):
they've got the navy hoodie. Do you remember the navy hoodie?
Everybody wore the Navy hoodie. It was the one with
the kangaroo pouch at the front, so you got the
little you know, the little place for you to stick
your hands, and the hoodie with the draw string around
your neck and then it said gap and kind of
like an arch on your chest. Now it's gonna say
gap and it's gonna have Victoria Beckham there as well.
So if your nostalgic, apparently there seems to be a
thing like we're all so nostalgic for the nineties at

(01:38:49):
the moment, you can even dress shortly like the nineties.
Now an As has been training up Lock. Look, you've
been on the show before, haven't you.

Speaker 20 (01:38:59):
I've been doing the set up, but I've never.

Speaker 8 (01:39:00):
Been on air.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Oh is this your first time on the radio?

Speaker 20 (01:39:03):
Indeed it is?

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Okay, this is Lock. Everyone who is going to show
us whether Locke knows anything about music or not? Right now?

Speaker 20 (01:39:12):
What have you got tonight? We have just danced by
Lady gard As. She has recently ap to come Mayhem
Ball Tour, which is Grows Corp.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
You have to make yourself louder. I can't hell myself louder. Yeah,
hang on, you go? You up her down? How about that?
It's better?

Speaker 20 (01:39:28):
Okay, go gi perfect. So Lady Gaga that's who we're
listening to. She has performing performed her Mayhem Ball Tour,
which has grows four hundred and nineteen point five million USD,
making her one of the top ten highest selling tours
five female artists in history.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Now Locke and said to me that you can play guitar.
I can, So you're going to be really good at levels?

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
How are your levels?

Speaker 11 (01:39:53):
Just?

Speaker 22 (01:39:53):
Then?

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
That's my first time.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
That's cool. That's cool. Lock, You've done it. Nobody even
knew that Ants wasn't doing it today. You've done an
outstanding show, so well done you. Everything sounded fantastic. Thank
you for doing tomorrow as well. I am brilliant. Okay,
talk to you then, enjoy the evening. See you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Hey Jonas!

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Full Show Podcast: 21 April 2026

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}Hey Jonas!

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

All Episodes

Full Show Podcast: 21 April 2026

Hey Jonas!