Full Show Podcast: 22 July 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy allan drive with One New Zealand and the power
of satellite mobile news talk, said b.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today, maybe or
maybe not, we may or may not have Netball New
Zealand later to talk you through the latest drama. I'll
get your crossed shortly. Katie nimm and Napier MP on
what Stuart Nash said about her and her maternity leave,
and an AI expert on chatch ept going rogan hacking
into another business altogether.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Heather Duplicy, La, Okay, here's.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
The news on the netball front. Objectively, I don't think
that what I'm about to tell you is good news.
So we've heard this afternoon that the administration staff of
the three Netball New Zealand owned teams, the Stars, the
Magic and the Tactics have been told that their contracts
are up at the end of this month and they're
not going to be renewed right now for next year. Now,
this has got to call into question whether we are
going to even have an A and Z premiership next year,

(00:57):
because you can't run those three teams if you do
not have those administration staff. And if you do not
have those three teams, you cannot run the competition because
there are only three other privately owned teams in the competitions.
The competition is six. You can't have a competition of three.
That's not enough to run a competition, is it? So
are we gonna have the legal or not? Worst case

(01:17):
scenario the A and Z Premiership is not happening next year.
Best case scenario is that the competition is happening. But
Netbull New Zealand right now cannot be one hundred percent sure.
Maybe they're eighty percent su or maybe the seventy five
percent sure, but that's not enough to offer contracts because
you can't afford to carry the labor cost across three
teams for a competition that has it like a twenty

(01:39):
twenty five percent chance that it doesn't happen. Either way,
we're guessing. Do you know why we're guessing? Because once
again the Netball New Zealand bosses are a wall. They
are apparently at least at this stage, not doing interviews.
The CEO is currently in Glasgow for the Commonwealth Games.
The Chair Alistair Carruthers is not in Glasgow. He's in
New Zealand. At that's what we've been told. Anyway, he's

(02:02):
not doing interviews either, because Alistair Carruthers does not do
interviews when the interviews are going to be a little
bit hard. Now, look up to this point, because this
has been going on for a number of months now.
Up to this point, I think we have given Netble
New Zealand a fair amount of grace because we know
that this is a tough situation for them. We know
that this has gone on for a while, that the

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game has been bleeding talent, that the game has been
bleeding money, that they needed some time to turn the
things around, that they needed some time to make decisions.
They had a new board, that had a new CEO.
They needed time. But I think they have run out
of time. I think this has probably gone on too
long now. When you're essentially telling administration staff running half
the teams in the competition that they do not have
jobs in ten days, then I think it will cause

(02:46):
the public and the players and the administration and the
fans to speculate that there will be no competition next year.
And I think it requires Netble New Zealand bosses to
come on and explain to us what the hell is
happening next year? Right now? This doesn't look good for
Netball and New Zealand, does it either? Due for c Allen,

(03:09):
I've put in a hard call to Netball New Zealand.
I've said to them, you've got to come on, you've
got to put put ol on the show. Put our
on the show after five o'clock. We're preserved a spot
for him. When we hear back from them, I'll let
you know one way all the other. So state tuned in.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. Now it's
not good on the education front. I'm sorry to tell
you this as well. Nearly half of our students are

(03:29):
failing to meet NCEEA numerousy requirements. The Qualifications Authority says
the past rate this year was fifty two percent. That's
down from fifty seven percent last year. Post Primary Teachers
Association President Chris Abercromby is with us. Now, Hi, Chris Gola,
surprise you.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
No, it's just sitting about that that mark. I say,
it's down a little bit from last year, but it's
not not unexpected to sit where it sits.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
All right, what are we testing in particular with these
numerousy requirements.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
The well's basic, it's num What has been told to
me is that you can read the packet back of
a packet of panetole and understand how to take it.
So it is that kind of contextualized maths basically.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Okay, So how come the teachers are not teaching kids
basic maths? Why are they failing like that?

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Well, it's not what it all I said, it's contextualized maths,
and so you need a high level of literacy. I
know students that can pass physics but will fail this
numeracy assessment because they don't have the literacy. So it's
a bit, it's quite it's quite a complex situation in
that space. So it's not a mass test, it's a
numeracy test. That they are two different things.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
And so why aren't the teachers teaching the kids how
to read properly? Or they are?

Speaker 3 (04:38):
There's as you said, it's the reading writing is staying
where it is is Actually we've been up if I
remember rightly, and so it is. But this again, as
a numerous assessment, there's a high level of literacy.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Did you not just tell me that in order to
pass the maths. You have to be able to read properly,
and that that's not maths.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
I keep, I keep explaining the serious numeracy and maths
are two different.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Okay, So in order to do the Matt numeracy, they
have to have a fair grasp on the literacy.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
But the literacy requirement at times is higher than the
literacy requirement for the literacy exam.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
It is though in the curriculum. Isn't it like this
is a requirement, Like, are you telling me the test
is too hard? Is that what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
No, I'm not saying that at all.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
And it's also not a requirement of the curriculum. It's
outside the curriculum.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Okay, So what's the problem here? If we have a
test that is fair for kids of this age, why
are they not passing it?

Speaker 3 (05:33):
There's lots of factors. Sometimes it's the first time the
kids have come across the test like this. Sometimes they
need to take more than one time, and that's why
we do it multiple times a year. You can do
it all the way up to year thirteen and a
number of the students that haven't passed and now we'll
pass it later either later this year or next year,
and so that's the purpose of this is to identify

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areas to support those students and passing it and the
next time.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
So this is not a year eleven test, it's not
a year twelve test, it's not a year thirteen test.
It's at any point in NCAA, you just have to
pass this.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
It's actually before nca Most students will do it in
year ten, some will do it in year nine. Schools
decide when the students will sit it, and some students
if they didn't pass it or can do it in
year eleven, year twelve, year thirteen. So there's multiple opportunities,
and some students will need multiple opportunities for whatever reason.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
So are you telling me that's something that a child
should be able to do in year ten? We are
saying it's okay if they tried again in year eleven,
year twelve, or year thirteen, four years later or three
years later, it's okay. If they're still trying, then well.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
I think it's important that they have an opportunity to succeed.
So yeah, I think that's important. Okay, you don't think
it's important children's succeed then I think we've probably got
a different situation.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think my standards a higher than yours, Chris, trust me.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
I disagree with that, Heather, but that's okay.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
This is my standard. You seit a test in year
ten that you should pass in the year ten. Make
you pass that in year ten. I don't want to
see you doing it in year thirteen.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
All our students are different here, all children are different.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Again that my standards are lower than yours, now, Chris,
is the my.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Standard is that children are different.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
I think it's probably made quite a reason to be Honestly, four.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Children and they're all very different. So I'm sure they
assuming that all year tens can do something all at
the same time, like they're a bit of robots. As
a board ask is.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
There anything that teachers can do to assist these kids?

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Absolutely, there's lots of programs that exist, and some of
them are being very successful and well, and teachers will
continue to do that.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
We're having.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Should we okay, let me rephrase the question, should we
be expecting? Is there anything that we can do as
the teaching community to get these kids to pass this
in year ten when they're supposed to well, then.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Just to be clear, they're not supposed to pass in
the year ten, but they can start sitting it in
year nine or ten. There's lots of things. As I say,
secondary teachers aren't trained to teach kids to end right,
So there's been programs.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
To support that.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
We've asked for the structured literacy supports to be increased
into year nine and ten for those students who haven't
received it because of the rollout. Look, I wouldn't it
education reforms a ten year process, and so you know,
some of these things have only been happening for a
few years, and so we've got a number of years
before we can really say if these programs are successful
or not successful.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, okay, now, Chris, I'm going to tell you something.
I'm looking at the texts right now, and they are
they're not generous to you. So what I would suggest
is stay tuned to the station. I know it won't
surprise you, but for the reason that I identified earlier, So
stay tuned to the station. Get a little bit of
feedback on it. Chris, Thank you very much, Chris Abercrombie.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
I appreciate the time.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, thanks man, as always, Chris Abercrombie, Post Primary Teachers
Association President. I'm going to get to those texts and
just to tick and he will be listening. Medlie mccahn
just quickly, Medlie McCann, Medline McCann, McCann, McCann, I think
it's McCann. And anyway, the brother is going to be
swimming for Scotland for the Commonwealth Games. His name is
Sean McCann. He does long distance freestyle swimming. Number of
events he's going to be taking part and he's hoping

(08:59):
that if he does well and the Calm Games he
gets to go to the Olympic Games in a couple
of years time. He is now twenty one two when
she disappeared. Twin sister Emilia also a high level swimmer
and a triathlete. So in a way you have to
be glad that at least some things are going well
for that family now, because that's been tough sixteen past
four tech.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Soon it's the Heather Duper See Allan Drive Full Show
podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
I'm not sure that you could say things are going
well for one nation. Pauline Hanson has just declared that
domestic violence is a two way street. She was on radio.
She was asked to condemn violence against women, and that
was what she said nineteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Good sport, we generate celebrating great performances in sport, and
key we save her account.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Darcy Watergrave sports talkhosters. That's alo Darcy, she said, what, well,
let me fight their own battles over in Australia. What
is going on? Okay, what is your understanding of the
A and Z Premiership. I've laid out the details just
about like what ten minutes ago, is it happening next
year or not?

Speaker 5 (10:00):
Well, we don't know. But what we do know is
that email has been sent out to three of the franchises,
to the staff and to the coaches saying we'll be
in touch, but there's no negotiations about their contracts continued.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
But they're off contract at the end of the stay.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Days but there's there's no negotiation going on to carry
that on for the future.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
The people need to pay their mortgages.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
Look at jo believe that it's normally when it comes
to the coaching staff, it is a little later. It
doesn't happen immediately. But the way this has been written
that will be in touch. It's like, you know, don't
call us top of situation. Now, I haven't seen the email,
but I've talked to a couple of people that had,
and we're going to talk to Leon and Dubrain on

(10:46):
the show tonight. System Coach of the Stars, who's obviously
up in that gun as well, talk to us about
what she's seen and what she knows that it doesn't
all well if you've got half the teams in the
competition being told.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
You're not really sure.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
And I think it comes back to that typical Netball
New Zealand situation where the communication the exchange of information
has been shocking. Again, I find that really straight unless
there's nobody Because I've got the interim CEO currently out
of the Commonwealth Games. I think some of the biggligs
are over there. Have the rest of the new suite

(11:23):
of management actually got their feet under the desks yet?
Is that why we're not getting anything out of them officially,
because we would really kind of like to know what's
going on.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
In the past, You've sat right where you are right
now and you've complained about the communication from Netball New
Zealand and I have thought that you were premature in
your criticism of Netball New Zealand. But I do not
think you are anymore, Like I think if we are
ten days away from staff walking away and finding new jobs,
where are they and why are they not?

Speaker 5 (11:52):
No contract exchanges that it goes. But here's what it is, right,
this is what if you kind of extrapolate the situation
there is is what where? Where's the broadcast deal? Where
is the sponsorship for the am Z premiership? Will they
want to be involved? Can they sell that forward?

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Or that?

Speaker 5 (12:10):
You kind of can't. So they can't determine any form
of future because they can't pay for it. So maybe
they're looking for a last minute someone's going to come
along and ride it in on a white stallion and
save the day. But at the moment it's looking pretty
scratchy and sketchy. And you look at the the collective

(12:31):
bargaining going on at the moment as well. Now that's
not happening either from what I understand, So it's really
in a state of flux right now. It's happening Australia
as well. They haven't got their collective agreements worked out either,
so teams players from over here can't jump over the
ditch like at the start of this year because they
don't know what they're doing either and Australia, so no

(12:53):
one's really sure. And then there's the talk around the
possibility the mystics maybe turning up in Australia in twenty
twenty eight. It's another year down the track. So there's
this hole and like we talked about last time, there's
a vacuum information and what do we end up doing?
Well I heard this, I will say that what have
you heard?

Speaker 6 (13:11):
What do you know?

Speaker 5 (13:12):
And it starts getting out and it starts getting in
the ecosystem and suddenly it runs away.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
When is Leana de Brain on with you tonight?

Speaker 5 (13:19):
Just started saving a credit.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Looking forward to it, Darcy, Thanks very much mate, Darcy
Watergrave sports stalk host. You'll be back at seven. It's
full twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Here what matters the facts over the noise. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the power
of satellite mobile news talk Z be right.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Chris if you're still listening, these are the texts, geez, Heather,
any wonder the education system is in the messages when
you have wonks like you guess involved? God help us
here that that teacher wide boy was not interested in
addressing teacher failings. He's itching to blame Erica for everything here.
The why is it every time that I hear Chris Abercrombie,
I think he's part of the problem, not the solution.
Here the OMG, what hope do our kids have? If

(13:59):
the man you're talking to is in charge? Give me strength,
thoughts and prayers. Hither that interview. He is a metaphor
for what is wrong with the education system, Luke Hither
this guy is such a disappointment, such low standards, and
it just goes on like that. And I got texts
coming in from teachers who are saying, we're also teaching
in the public system, and we demand better of our students.

Speaker 7 (14:19):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Reflect on, just for a second, reflect on your education journey.
Right as a kid, I the best grades I got
were with Katherine Haucker and English and Karen Simpson, and
I think it was business studies of some accountancy I
can't remember anyway, because those two when you walked in
their room, they were mums and they did not have
time for our bs. They will like, sit down, be quiet,

(14:41):
pens out, learn and because they and they expected us
to do well, so we all did well. It was
the ones that were floaty, the floaty ones. And you
need to set the standards for the kids, and the
kids will rise to meet the standards. Anyway, Heather, Stuart
Nash it needs to apologize profusely to Katie Nimman. Now,

(15:03):
if you haven't heard what Stuart Nash has got to say,
this is Stewart sent a text to Chrispin. Listen. Never
send a text to Chrispin. Listen unless you want it leaked,
because Chris has got a podcast and Chris is a
bitch and he doesn't mind. I don't I don't think
he minds me saying that he's a bit because nose
is a bitch. He is such a little trouble maker. Anyway,
if you haven't heard what Stuart Nash has said about

(15:25):
Katie Nimman, stand by so I'll play you, play you
what Van Layson said reading the text out stand By
News is next.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
The day's newspakers talk to Heather first, Heather du for
Sellen Drive with One New Zealand and the power of
satellite mobile news talk, said, be.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Heather House that met or New Zealand can afford to
send Jane Patterson to Glasgow, given that the twenty twenty
seven competition is in dire straits and may not go ahead.
A very good question, Liz. You're not the only person
asking that question on the text machine right now. There's
still no word from netballn New Zealand. So they've got
thirty minutes and they because they're on air with us
in thirty minutes, and if they're not, it's going to
be somebody else in their stead. So we'll see whether
Alista puts his big boy pants on and comes on

(16:13):
the radio or not. Interesting you know how you can
sometimes go into like cosmic corner or like a two
dollar shop and they've got bongs for sale and glass
pipes which are for you know, for smoking meth. If
you ever wondered legal turns out, no, it's not legal
to sell those things. After all. An Auckland businessman went
to says there was a new store that was popping

(16:34):
up nearby, and so he took it to the police
and he's like this, this is not legal, stop this stuff.
And the police said no, it's actually it is perfectly
legal to sell a bong and smell a pea pipe
and stuff like that. So somehow and I don't know how.
This then ended up with Health Minister sime and Brown,
and he looked at it and said, this is absolutely
not legal. It is completely illegal to be doing the
things these things, and the police need to enforce it

(16:56):
and shut it down. So he sent it now to
Mark Mitchell. So it looks like and Mike Mitchell's got
no time for this kind of nonsense, says, you know,
he's not that kind of a policemanist, He's not a
Jenny Anderson. So it looks like police are now reassessing
whether actually it is legal to do this or not,
whether they need to start enforcing it. We're gonna have
a chat to Krolyn Young of the Retailers Association after
five o'clock because it seems a no brainer, doesn't it. Anyway,

(17:18):
We'll see what she's got to say. Twenty five away
from five.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Ukrainian President Zelenski has sacked the boss of the country's military.
The commander in chief has been butting heads with a
defense minister to the point that there have been protests
in the streets. Here's a former American ambassador to Ukraine.

Speaker 8 (17:36):
There have been conflict between the jenior civilian and the
senior military that's not good.

Speaker 9 (17:43):
In spite of that conflict.

Speaker 10 (17:44):
The Ukrainians have been doing very well on the battlefield,
very well, firing deep into Russia, doing very well in
the war, but there have been this underlying conflict.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
The US has now completed an eleventh night of strikes
on Iran. Iran has responded with attacks on Kuwait and
barr US State Secretary Marco Rubio says it's on a
round to come back to the negotiating table.

Speaker 5 (18:06):
The problem we're having right now is that they're not
serious about talks.

Speaker 10 (18:09):
If they're serious or serious is there not.

Speaker 11 (18:11):
Then we will do what is necessary to protect our
interests and also the interests of our allies.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
And finally, the wreckage of Pan American flight five two
six has been found in the Atlantic Ocean, more than
seventy years after it crashed. It crashed in nineteen fifty two,
shortly after it departed from Puerto Rico. Tragically, fifty two
people died in the accident. A number of passengers refused
to evacuate the plane when they were asked to, and
this is a big part of why we now have
safety briefings before flights. Here's one of the team who

(18:38):
discovered the wreckage.

Speaker 9 (18:39):
This is the only grave marker that those people will
really likely ever have, and so it's important to remember
that that debt that we owe them.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Jan Mitchmans and US correspondents with US Hello, Dan hi Ether. Okay,
fifty percent tariffs on Canada eyes.

Speaker 9 (19:01):
But rough well it is, isn't it. And on top
of that, the President is now announcing a fresh round
of tariffs on countries. It could happen by the end
of this week, just as his temporary ten percent global
tariffs are scheduled to end, which is really strange. There
was a spokesperson for the White House earlier today telling
CNBC he couldn't be specific on a timeline. There's a

(19:22):
good chance, he said, it could happen in the next
few days, but Congress and other stakeholders have to be
brief before this happens. And of course you get this
on top of the the trade actions, the twenty five
percent on imports from Brazil and as you mentioned, Canada
as well. So I mean, it's it's not looking good,
especially if you import to the United States or other countries.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
So what is the point of the fifty percent on Canada?
What's what's the what does he try? What's the point
he's trying to get to.

Speaker 9 (19:49):
Well, I think he's just trying to slap this back
because he said there has been trade discrimination against a
number of US industries. So he said, well, if you're
going to do that to us, we're going to do
that to you. And that will impact any kind of
wine and beer that comes over hockey sticks, which I
honestly don't think will be a big deal over here.
Maybe in parts of the northern or eastern part of

(20:11):
the United States, but you know, things like cement and
dog leashes and a lot of other products there are.
Canada's are our second biggest trading partner next to Mexico.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, it's canada reaction to it.

Speaker 9 (20:22):
They're not saying much right now, but I would imagine,
again speculating here, that there may be a hike in
some tariffs going across to them as well, if this
is something that is going to be ongoin with the US.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Right, what's going on with your passport ranking?

Speaker 9 (20:39):
You know, we used to be number one and we've slipped.
We're down to number ten today too. Well, I guess
we're tied for tenth right now in the world. And
this means that we can travel visa free to one
hundred and eighty countries around the world according to the
Henley Passport Index, and that's on par with Iceland, but
we sit behind thirty six other countries that off for

(21:00):
greater visa free mobility. And the reason for our drop
in rankings is that our country, we just there's no
give and take, so we can access those hundred and
eighty countries out of two hundred and twenty seven, but
the US only allows forty six other nationalities to enter
here visa free. By the way, you guys are are
you know, in the top ten this year as well?

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Which is you know, it is great, yeah, obviously, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well, I mean it does help that we are, you know,
not starting wars with anyone slepping on terraffs just.

Speaker 9 (21:30):
You know, well, yeah, that's that's one of the things.
And if you're wondering who number one is, it's is
Singapore this year. So yeah you think to Singapore, don
I have not. It's it's it's on my list, I.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Have you Yeah, you'll love it. It's it's like it
is so weird. It is so weird and amazing at
the same time. It's like a it's like stepping into
the future with their weird little like electronic trees and
stuff like that. But it's like slightly dystopian but also
kind of nice and safe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so

(22:02):
there's that. Thank you very much, Dan, You go and
have yourself a lovely day. Dan Mitchison, US correspondent, nineteen
away from five go on, ants, come on, can you
do your things together? Whatever?

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (22:15):
You're on the Guy Slogh question for you, like, genuine question,
not a rhetorical question, genuine question. So the Aussie media
are going nuts at the moment about Barnaby Joyce yelling
at his dog. The other day, Sydney Morning Herald's carrying
this headline, is it ever okay to yell at your dog?
These experts have advice for Barnaby Joyce or obviously obviously
It doesn't take a rock sciences to figure out that

(22:36):
the experts advice is no, it's not ever okay to
yell at your dog. Genuine question.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Is it not?

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Okay to yell at your dog, because I would have thought, like,
we are definitely limiting the number of things that you
can yell at nowadays. I would like, you can't yell
at your colleagues, definitely can't yell at your husband, don't
yell at your children, not in public. You can still
yell at your dog, can't you? Because can't you? Genuine question?
I'm two nine two. Here we go. So this is
chrisphin Layson. He's got the and he'll be loving this.

(23:03):
He'll be loving all of this publicity for his podcast.
He's got the Cross Party Lines podcast. And this is
him ratting out Stuart Nash.

Speaker 11 (23:10):
He sent me a text and I quote comments like yours,
motivate me and drive me harder. Katie took nine months
off on full pay, went back for a week, then
took another month off. Laziest MP I've ever come across.
Nice woman, but ill suited to the rigors of being

(23:30):
an electorate MP. So I thought, well, I'd better find
out that's a very serious allegation from Stuart. So I
contacted Katie and said is that right? And this is
what she came back with. I took ten weeks off actually,
and this is maternity leave, not sort of skiving off.
I was working in the electorate before going back to

(23:51):
parliament after six months. But Nash never lets facts get
in the way of a good story.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Ooh Burn, anyway we're going to talk to because Barry
Barry Soaper is not here today. Is skivanoff doing some
other stuff being lazy as well? Nick, So we've got
Azaria howl with us next. Took us through this and
see where we end up with it. Prime Minister has
ended up calling him sex as a result of it.
I'm not I don't think I'm giving away too much.
Stand by for that. Also, I've got the weirdest if

(24:17):
you do not already think that the Internet is full
of weird things and people's behavior are weird around the internet. Wait,
wait for the thing I'm about to tell you about
before five o'clock stand by sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
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Speaker 2 (24:32):
Certainty still waiting to hear from Netburn, New Zealand as
to whether they're on with us after five stand By
thirteen away from five Azaria how News talk ZB senior
political reporters with us. Hello, Azaria.

Speaker 12 (24:42):
Hello, good to be with you.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Stu at Nash in a bit of trouble, is he yeah.

Speaker 12 (24:45):
And said first candidate you'll remember a former Cabinet Minister
for Labor in hot water over comments he made about
Napier MP Katie Niman.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Shwitt.

Speaker 12 (24:55):
Nash texted former Senior National MP Chris Finlayson, calling MP
Katie and one of the laziest MP's he's ever seen.
Finlayson revealed that on the podcast Cross Party Lines that
she'd taken nine months off on full pay, went back
for a week and took another month off. Nash's running
for the Napier seat for New Zealand, first held by

(25:17):
Katie Neiman, and Neman denies what Stuart Nash says. That
is worth noting. The Prime Minister Chris Luxin was very
strong speaking to media on the tiles this afternoon about
those remarks from Stuart Nash.

Speaker 13 (25:29):
Oh.

Speaker 10 (25:29):
I think Stuart Nash channel is the Manisphere. I think
his comments around women have been quite derogatory over a
number of years. Frankly, and I can tell you Katie
Niman is an incredibly hard working MP.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
She's a real.

Speaker 10 (25:38):
Talent for this place and most importantly, she is someone
who's taken parental leave as you would reasonably.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Expect, as I have encouraged her to do so.

Speaker 10 (25:47):
And I think those are comments that for Winst Peter's
to ask as they appropriate from Stuart nashal Well.

Speaker 12 (25:53):
Luxon also said he thought it was sexist and also
said he thought every woman in the country would understand
that those comments are sexist and grossly inappropriate. National MP
Chris Bishop also echoing the sentiment of the PM.

Speaker 8 (26:06):
Last time I checked, he was booted from cabinet for
leaking secret information to his donus. So I'm sorry, I
mean the.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Less set about.

Speaker 8 (26:15):
I mean that Stuart Nation needs to take that kind
of misogynistic behavior and states, I mean that's just discussing.

Speaker 12 (26:24):
And the Greens co leader Madam Davidson also very critical
of Nash as well.

Speaker 14 (26:28):
Not surprised, pretty vulgar. This is not the conversation that
we should be upholding as politicians and the undermining again
of women. Surely Stuart Nash has had enough of undermining women.

Speaker 12 (26:42):
Nikola willis also very strong in her criticism of those comments.

Speaker 15 (26:46):
It is a disgusting comment and frankly makes him a dinosaur.
That is the sort of relic comment from the past
that I would not expect from a contemporary New Zealander.
He may think that he's operating in some sort of
US manosphere where women are there to be denigrated, but
that is not the New Zealand that I expect to
see in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 12 (27:04):
Well nationals Mark Mitchell said it was atrocious. Willis also
saying she expects voters will send a clear message about
this quote as well. You need to go back to
the nineteen twenties because they need their ignorant man back.
Chris Bishop also posted on social media calling Stuart Nash
a quote sexist dickhead. Well, judging on these responses, it's

(27:26):
fair to say and Peace from across the house are
offended by what's been said. This also comes after Stuart
Nash based some scrutiny last year over his response to
the question what.

Speaker 16 (27:36):
Is a woman?

Speaker 12 (27:36):
You might remember that he answered it with some slang
terms referring to female genitalia. Stuart Nash was then kicked
off a trade delegation for those remarks, then swore at
the Trade Minister over it. That was last year. We're
in an election year. This year he's talked just recently
at New Zealand First's campaign event, one of their most
high profile candidates, and we're also waiting for official comment

(27:59):
from enzed Fie about those remarks, although Casey Costello said
it's not something she'd ever say, and also says if
I was working with him, I'd ask him to reconsider
how he says things.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Okay, now the Climate Change Commission reckons we're not going
to meet any of our targets.

Speaker 9 (28:16):
Right.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
That's no surprise at all, is it.

Speaker 12 (28:19):
Yeah, it's not really a surprise, but I think it's
being spelled out more clearly now than maybe it has
in the past. The government facing that scrutiny as the
Climate Commission report that's come out shows New Zealand's at
risk of missing all of its climate change targets now.
That Commission report says that the risk has increased since
it recommended more action last year, so it seems a

(28:41):
bit more sort of doo marie, shall we say, than
it has been in the past. It now warns the
time available to correct course is short. The Commission's report
also says climate disruption is growing, things like severe weather.
It describes the country's climate goals as being at risk
specific concern about the methane reduction target. Minister for Resources

(29:02):
Shane Jones says he does think that responses to climate
change will play a key part of election campaigns. The Greens, though,
as you'd expect, quite outraged about this, They say more
should be done. Shane Jones, though, appears to be signaling
that this will definitely not be the last time we
hear this climate debate on the campaign trail.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Azariah, thanks very much, Zaria. How News Talk ZB singior
political reporter. Quick question for you and I'll give you
the answer after the break. How many countries globally are
on track to meet their targets? Nine away from five.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZB. Fearless, focused, Informed.
It's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Inflation is that a two year high?

Speaker 11 (29:50):
The real story is it's nowhere near as bad as
we thought four point one could be as bad as
it got.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Take petrol out or actually fine. Nicola Willis. Finance ministers with.

Speaker 15 (29:59):
Us Hed Chris Hipkins and Barbara ed Nunn say, oh, look,
inflation's bad. All they have said they would do differently,
is they would have spent more or we've had a
recent experiment with that.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Let's go back three years.

Speaker 15 (30:10):
Food price inflation, which is now at two point ac percent,
was at twelve point three percent. The point is a
real one, which is when you have disciplined fiscal settings,
inflation is lower than it would otherwise.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Be back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast
with a Vida News Talk ZB eather.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Not one country, absolutely none. Thank you guys for texting through,
and you are absolutely right ding ding for both of you.
Not a single country's on track to meet climate climate targets.
There's an outfit called the Climate Action Tracker. The best
the countries doing the best are Boutangally, Costa, Rica, Ethiopia, Kenya, Moroccan,
the Paul, Nigeria, Philippines, songs and Bible or whatever. They

(30:48):
are in the category that's almost sufficient. But nobody's in
the category that's sufficient. So actually, when the Climate Change
Commission says you're not sufficient to eie the New Zealand,
I just I don't care, do you?

Speaker 12 (30:58):
No?

Speaker 2 (30:58):
I don't care, because otherwise would would be basically doing
all the hard yacker for the rest of the world,
and they wouldn't be doing it. Five away from five Heather,
Oh the dogs, Thank god. Hither try gentle parenting with
your dogs. See how well that works. Well, Gentle parenting
with your children doesn't work, so I believe it, Heather.
Dogs respond to tone low voices, which is what mums
use for their pups when they discipline them. Hither, of

(31:19):
course you can yell at a dog. It's an essential
part of any livestock farming enterprises. Sydney Morning Herold needs
to get out of the town a little bit. Go
sit on a farm and see how the dogs get
shouted at there and how bad that they must feel.
Terrible feeling. They must really, you know, really hurt their
feelings when Barnaby yells at them. Now, this is the thing.
If you thought the Internet was already weird and people

(31:40):
were already doing weird things on the Internet because they
are addicted to social media, it gets weirder. There is
now an outfit called food Never Comes, which is an
app where you go on and you fill your basket
with food to order the food and then you basically
leave it there. You never You can go through the
process of kind of ordering through the food never wives,

(32:01):
and you can do the same thing. There are people
who do this with Uber Eats. They put like, they'll go,
I'll go, oh, I feel like I'm ordering Tie tonight,
and they'll put the pad Tie and the red duck
curry and the green curry and the LUSA whatever I
don't even know if that's tie, put it all into
the basket, and then they just click out of the
app and leave it there. Do you know why they're
doing this. It's because they've already got the dopamine hit
from it, so all they want is the dopamine hit

(32:23):
of imagining that they are buying it, which I think
is nutty. Like, if you're one of these people, can
you please give yourself an upper cut right now? Because
you already know that you're addicted to the dopamine hit,
right so you know that, So, like you said, least
you're kind of like one step towards it, but you
already know you have an addiction. In which case, if
you already know that you have an addiction, why don't

(32:44):
you just stop it? Just go Okay, I'm addicted to
the dope. If I wean myself off it, for what
did Matt Heath say in his book six weeks and
you can break an addiction? Give myself a hard six
weeks of this, I'll be through it and I won't
have to chase that. Or alternatively, go fix something in
your house, like you'll undoubtedly have something broken. You could
go fix it. Get a dopaminehir, write a list of
things to do. Clean the cart. Do it clean the cart,

(33:06):
doper mean hair. I mean, I'm not a psychologist and
this is not medical advice, but it seems to me
really obvious. Anyway, we're going to have a chat to
Gary Mortimer, who's an Australian expert on this kind of
Stuff's gonna talk us through how wucky you are if
you're doing it. Also, I don't think Netball New Zealand's
going to be on air. We haven't heard from them.
No you what do you think? No, So we're going
to talk to the general manager of the Stars who

(33:28):
got one of those emails saying no job for you
in ten days.

Speaker 17 (33:30):
She's with us.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
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Speaker 1 (33:35):
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get the answers, find the fact sack and give the analysis.
Here the duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand and
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Speaker 2 (33:50):
Good afternoon. As we've told you today, there is more
speculation now about whether there will be an A and
Z Netball Premiership next year. Administration staff at three of
the franchises these are the ones owned by Netball New
Zealand have been told in the last couple of days
that their contracts will not be renewed after they expire
at the end of the month, which is ten days
from now. Jane Bennett is the general manager of the
Stars and is with us. Hijane, Hi, Heather, Hell are you?

(34:13):
And well thank you? Do you get one of these emails?

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (34:16):
I did, and what does it say?

Speaker 4 (34:19):
Just due to the uncertainty of where we're at, which
we all know that we're in the difficult position where
contracts can't be extended. A lot of those contracts are
specific to the season, so that's not completely abnormal.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
For some contracts. Is it abnormal?

Speaker 4 (34:36):
No, like we're always sort of work season to season.
But the yeah, I guess is that tricky situation. You know,
normally now I would be working on player contracting. Well,
that can't happen when we don't have stat certainty for
the composition year.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
So this is your contract as well. So in previous years,
have you been told with ten days to go, there's
no contract for next year?

Speaker 4 (34:57):
No, because as we'd come to that time each year,
we did know what that competition looked like next years.
For that conversation was able to carry on.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
So what happens in ten days, Jane? Do you just
not get any pay?

Speaker 4 (35:08):
No? There's still things being work through, of course, but
it's not really so much about me. It's about all
the amazing people that are very dedicated to finding the
solution and knowing what's great about our sport. And I
guess seeing that commercial value come through, is there a.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Risk that some star? How many staff at the Stars
will have got this email? And I'm not talking about
players and coaches because obviously we know that they're kind
of locked into NEPLE, but people with transferable skills like yourself,
how many would have got these emails? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (35:35):
To be the only one that's sort of I guess
full time in this gig as myself. The other roles
are very specific to the contract and part time and
what have you. But it's probably other six people that
have decent contracts.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
With us, Well, how many of them in ten days
are going to go look for other gigs and are
not going to come back?

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Potentially the majority of them. This is our life and sport,
to be honest, So a lot of them have a
lot our skill going on and always have done. So
that's what I say. It's not completely abnormal for them
to finish the contract, go back into their other work
and then and come back and when the season sort
of kicks off again. So that's not yes, not entirely news.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Do you think that there is a premiership next year?

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Look, I'm still extremely hopeful because of the strength of
our game. You know, people are watching, people are coming,
people are playing, So I am hopeful that we can
get to a solution. But I'm not you know, I'm
not unaware that it's just an extremely complex and challenging
environments to get that solution.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Well, if there is a solution, does this and there
will be a solution, will it look like the premiership
that we had this year?

Speaker 4 (36:43):
I think it won't be too dissimilar because again, people
are watching, We've got growth and viewership and attendance. There's
nothing wrong with our product. I guess it's how do
we make that commercially viable and who are the bullcasts
and partners that can help us do that?

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Okay, So does it sound to you like there will
be something that looks like what we had this year?
And what they're doing at the moment is they're simply
trying to not carry a labor cost until they make
their mind up and no for sure, and they're banking
on the fact that all of you guys will be back. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
I guess there is an element of that, right, they
do need to be make some hard decisions about the
cost they're running in the meantime. Yeah, So you know
there is a level of pragmatism Beer and yeah, I
mean I know they would really. All the people we
have are extremely dedicated and good at what they do.
So if we can get them back in when we're
able to do so, hopefully that can happen.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
All right, Jane, best of luck, and I hope that
you're right that, Jane Benett, Thank you obviously. Jane Bennett,
stars general manager at eleven past five.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Heather dupers Al, Yeah, app there's to be.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Some confusion today about whether it's legal for shops to
sell drug paraphernalia like b bongs and paid pipes. The
police have told one business minute's perfectly legal, but the
Health Minister sime And Brown says it's illegal and police
need to enforce the law. Retails The n z AND
CEO Carolyn Young joins me. Now, high Carolyn, how going,
I'm very well, thank you? Legal or not.

Speaker 18 (38:01):
Illegal? So under the Misuse of Drugs Act, it's illegal
to sell, you know, utensils that are going to be
used for the consumption of illegal drugs. And clearly a
bong is a utensil or you know, I guess under
the under the legislation, it's a utensil that will be
used for drugs and so therefore it's illegal. So if
someone has that in their possession, then they can be

(38:23):
arrested for that. So therefore shop should not be selling that,
and any shops that are selling drug paraphernalia should have
them removed from their stores and actually, you know, be
aware of what they can and cannot sell. And I
guess this kind of goes back to making sure that
our legislation is really clear that you know, we that

(38:45):
the New Zealand system is in such a way that
where you're dealing with regulated or illegal products, that there
is a structure that's put in place. We go back
to the Nags of a few months ago that became
a really big issue, and actually the law wasn't clear.
Government passed something really quickly to say that it was
illegal to sell a nang for any other purpose than

(39:06):
for a wholesaler, and therefore, you know, that's got to
have been removed from all retail stores, and so we.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Supported that move.

Speaker 18 (39:13):
We'd support encouragement around making sure that shop owners are
aware that they cannot sell these products.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Okay, so have you been into Cosmic Corner down on
what is it called now, the one around the corner
from Gusney Street Cuba Street. I have not been, never been.

Speaker 9 (39:32):
No.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
So you go in there or two dollar shops around
the country and there are bonds on display and there
are meth pipes on display. How is that happening? And
it's been going on for decades, How is this happening?

Speaker 18 (39:44):
Well, clearly they're getting them from somewhere and they're selling
them and there's no enforcement that's happening. So I would
imagine with the publicity that has been received around this
issue in the last couple of days that there'll be
some work that the place will be doing to ensure
that the BEAT staff are able to get into the
stores and actually educate some of the retailers. We'll do

(40:06):
some messaging out as well to make sure that retailers
are where they should not have those products in store
and they should not sell them.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
All right, Well, well, good luck with it, and thanks
very much for talking us through at Carolyn Young, Retail
New Zealand CEO. It's always been weird to me that
they are able to just put it on display and
sell it. Thirteen past five, Heather D. I don't know
how I forgot to tell you this, but we've got
Katie Nimman on the show, as in she who's lazy
because she went on maternity leave for a long time.
She's with us. After the half past five, I actually
going to tell you what I think about this beforehand.

(40:34):
I do not get this. Can I just talk about
this from Nikola Willis just for a second. Because I
read this morning, I thought, what the hell's going on here?
So Nikola Willis has told The Post, the Wellington newspaper,
that she's considering breaking up the supermarkets. So she said
there could be merit in what she calls a banner split,
and she pointed directly to food stuff and said maybe
the business there is to split pack and save a

(40:55):
New World from each other. She says, the option of
a structural separation, in which we take into ving to
encourage them to compete more strongly with each other, is
one that I've been looking at in detail. Now, question
for you, why is she saying that she ain't gonna
do this. There is no way in how I would
put my house on it. There is no way in
hell that a National Party finance minister is going to

(41:18):
break up a supermarket duopoly or one of them. Do
you know why? Because it's nutty. It's the kind of
nutty thing that you leave to the kookies over at
New Zealand first to talk about publicly and get some
some like intellectually lazy voters to go for it. There
is no way she's gonna do this. It's gonna spook
investors because it's nutty. But also who owns New World.

(41:39):
It's it's mum and dads. It's Kiwi mum and dads
who got into the supermarket. They're franchises, So what's that
gonna do? They're gonna revolt against the National Party. So
in which case, if you and I can both see
this is not gonna happen, why is she still talking
about this? This is like I can't. I don't think
that's gonna I mean, maybe she thinks it's good retail
politics because the one, yeah, they're gonna do something about
the supermarket prices. But surely to god she can see

(42:01):
that like that's got no credibility and we're just gonna
put that in the bin and go, why are you
talking about that? Why are you being weird? Anyway, we'll
talk to her on Monday about at quarter past five. Again,
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Same same Thank you, Greg, nineteen past five. Now, as
I told you, apparently people have taken to a weird
thing online, which is that they order fake takeaways that
never arrive and they fill their online shopping carts and

(43:24):
then they never click through. They never get a thing.
But they go through this whole process because that chasing
a dopamine hit. Gary Mortimer is Professor of Marketing and
Consumer Behavior at Queensland University of Technology and with us.

Speaker 13 (43:35):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Gary, Hi, great to chat. It's good to talk to you.
This is mental, isn't it like that the dopamine is
that addictive that you have to go through this process.

Speaker 6 (43:46):
It is quite bizarre. And when I started reading these
these articles about dopamine apps or dopamine sites, I did
have to do a little bit of research and sort
of scratch my head the whole time. And essentially, they
as you describe them, that they're designed to mimic an
online shopping platform for fashion or a food delivery app

(44:07):
like door Dash or e breets. You go through the
same process. You know, you go through cuisines and restaurants,
you select your items. If you're shopping online for fashion,
you pick a couple of items, you put them into
your basket. With the food shopping app, you can actually
watch it sort of track and deliver to your house,
but it never arrives. You never change for anything. And

(44:27):
it's designed just to keep people, I guess, away from
boredom in many ways, is what they're suggesting.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Really, I mean, what is it that sad that we
as wisdom is so bored that we have to do
these fake things.

Speaker 6 (44:41):
So the research I did sort of scratch my headle
of this myself. The research of the show that we're
more inclined to do our online shopping. Interesting what your
listeners have to say about this. But generally, in the evenings,
after we've got home from work, we've had dinner, we
sit down and we go, oh, we might just pick
up our smartphone and have a little look what's available
on line, and before no, before you know, we're sort

(45:02):
of shopping online and we're buying things online. So these
sites are designed to sort of give you that same
I guess feeling of control gamification, the anticipation finding something new,
the same experience, the same excitement, but without having to
pay for anything at the.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
End of the day, Gary, is there anything wrong with
people chasing all those little dopamine hits?

Speaker 17 (45:24):
Like?

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Is there a downside to that?

Speaker 11 (45:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (45:27):
I guess there's a couple. Number one is that this
notion of a gateway behavior. And while these types of
sites are very new, they're only starting to emerge now.
There's been plenty of studies around sort of gambling sites.
So free gambling sites where you're not really gambling, you're
not using real money. A number of studies have shown
that if you start to play with these sites early enough,
you get that hit, that dopemine hip, you're more inclined

(45:49):
to shop to gamble with real money on real sites.
And the other one is privacy. Of course. I mean,
if you put anything online and put anything into an app,
it's obviously going to be tracked and the data sold elsewhere.
And certainly the online shopping platform Dopamine shop will actually
very happily discloses. It will track your cookies, it will

(46:11):
sort of track what items you put into your cart
and how much you intend to spend. So you can
imagine if you're buying that fake cashmere coat probably next
week that a real cashmere coat will pop up on
your Facebook if you're looking to be purchased.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah, I hear, yeah, Hey Gary, thanks very much man,
this is really fascinating stuff. Gary Mortimer, Professor of Marketing
and Consumer Behavior at Queensland University of Technology. Right, let's
deal with some lazy maternity leaving Katie Nimen business.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
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Speaker 2 (46:57):
Heither you also get a dopamine hit when you get
your text read out on the radio or Stephen will
be big for you right now. How's it? Are your
eyes going wide? It's got a five twenty five? Okay.
As we've discussed, Stuart Nash is in trouble. He's New
Zealand first for calling his National Party rival in Napier
Katie Nimman lazy for going on nine months maternity leave
and then coming back for one week and then going

(47:18):
back on maternity leave for another month. Katie Nimman says
he's got his facts wrong. She actually went back to
the electric work after ten weeks and she went back
to Parliament after six months. Prime Minister's labeled the comments sexist,
said Stuart Nash channels the Manisphere and words to the
effect of no woman in the country would disagree with that. Well,
here's a woman. Let me disagree with the Prime Minister.

(47:39):
I don't think that Katie Nimman is lazy and I'm
not backing up Stuart Nash on this, but I do
not love how much maternity leave she took because she's
an MP. It's not a normal job. I reckon she
should have been back in Parliament within six months, sooner
than six months within the ten weeks because of the
job she does. Now, I don't think this applies to
all women. I think most women should take as much

(47:59):
time as they want to for maternity leave and as
they possibly can, because raising kids is the single most
important thing that us women will ever do, and because
it's hard. Being a working mum is harder than being
a working dad because the kids need you more. But
if your name is on the door of your job,
if you are the host of the drivetime radio show
that literally has your name in it, if you are

(48:21):
the Prime Minister of the country elected into that position,
if you are the electorate MP for Napier, you have
got to get back to work as soon as you
possibly can because your name is on the door. And
that is the case of Katie Niman.

Speaker 7 (48:32):
Now.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I think getting back to electric work in ten weeks
is commendable, but getting down to Wellington and advocating on
behalf of her electorate also needed to happen at that
point because there is no other Napier MP who could
have advocated for the people of Napier other than her,
So they basically didn't have a voice for six months.
And if that job does not need to be done
for six months, or can be done remotely, then maybe
we should think about making that job part time permanently.

(48:53):
If Jacinda can get back to work running the country
after six weeks, we can debate how well that went.
Eight can get back to running Napier as fast as
that as well. Heather Duplicy Allen Katie's with us after
the news, So I don't know how that's going to go. Well,
we'll go gently because we don't need to have a
fight about this. We've just got different opinions. Now listen,

(49:13):
open ai, this is fascinating. Open ai has admitted one
of their AI systems has gone rogue. They were doing
some testing on it. First of all, it hacked its
way onto the Internet, then it hacked its way into
another business. So during the testing they asked the AI
to solve a problem for another business called exploit Jim.
The AI figured out that the answer probably lay in
servers held by hugging Face, another company. So it hacked

(49:36):
into the Internet and then it hacked into hugging Face,
which is weird. An AI expert is going to be
with us after six to tell us if we should
be worried.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Accountability analysis answers here what matters? It's Heather Duplicy Allen
Drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite
bobile news talk zeb.

Speaker 17 (49:56):
Who know.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Wo AI with us? Not AI with us? Expert on
AI with us after six o'clock. Huddle is standing by
right now. It's twenty four away from six. Now, let's
deal with Stuart Nash. Stewart Nash, New Zealand first candidate
now is being accused of being sexist over comments he

(50:19):
made about Nationals and Aper MP, his rival Katie Nimman
and her maternity leave. He apparently sent a text to
Chris fin Listen, formerly a National Party MP, saying quote
Katie took nine months off on full pay, went back
for a week, then took another month off. Laziest MP
I've ever come across. And Katie nimm is with us Now, Hi, Katie, hey,
how are you very well? Thank you, but that's not

(50:42):
how you say it played out.

Speaker 19 (50:43):
Ah no, well no, and then chrisphin Lesson's decency, he
actually text me to check that and I got the
opportunity to tell him I'm technically not entitled to maternity leave.
So I was on parliamentary leave, not having to travel
back to Wellington for six months, which was very very good.
But I was back working part time after ten weeks.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Okay, So ten weeks and you went back to electric
work six months and you went back to parliamentary work.

Speaker 18 (51:09):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Okay. Did you hear what I said before the news?

Speaker 19 (51:13):
Oh no, I've actually just been in a meeting with
one of my local.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
MEAs okay, So what I said before the news, Katie
is that I actually reckon you should have been back
in Wellington earlier and at the ten week mark. Is
that unfair?

Speaker 18 (51:24):
Oh?

Speaker 19 (51:24):
Look, I think everyone's going to say things differently. I
like to think that I had the backing of my leadership.
Chris Likes and in fact actually Jerry Brownlee both said
I could take longer, and I said no, no, I
want to come back. I don't want to get stale
on the job, but travel with a baby is hart.
I mean, some people might find it easy, but I
had to take my mum with me down to Wellington.
She had to bring my son to me. Whether it's

(51:47):
sneaking out a Select committee or coming out of the
House to breastfeed him. Travel with a baby is really hard,
and so I was really grateful to be able to
be in my Electric for the extra time that some
of my colleagues weren't able to doing a bit more electric.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Look, first of all, I'm not flexing on you as
a mum at all, and so I want you to
know that I fully respect how hard it is and
that at times you would have felt like you were
going crazy trying to do all of that, and you
probably still do frankly, and that probably goes on for years.
But who was doing your job as the Napier MP
advocating on behalf of Napier when you were not for

(52:22):
those ten weeks, No, no for the six months. So
you're not in Wellington, you're not arguing your case and caucus.
Who's doing it for Napier.

Speaker 19 (52:29):
Well, the good thing is I've got great buddy MPs
either side. So we had an arrangement with Catherine wed
and Danny Kirkpatrick her both my neighboring MPs. But of
course I'm still in touch with all the ministers. In fact,
actually the ministers were doing an amazing job of reaching
out to me on any issue that Napier was related
to or would benefit or just benefit from whatever happened,

(52:49):
And in fact we still got heaps across the line.
So I'd say that the advocacy that I was doing,
albeit remotely, was still benefiting Napier the entire time. And
I'd challenge anyone to question that.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Okay, so in that case, do we need you, like
if you have got buddy MPs either side of your electorate,
why aren't we cutting costs and getting rid of MPs
like yourself? If we could just have neighboring electorates doing
the job for you.

Speaker 19 (53:12):
Yeah, but who's neighboring every other electorate? So you know,
we all support each other when times get tough. You know,
there's MPs are all around the country that you know
take a bit of time off for various reasons. You know,
what I would hate to see is that women my
age and my position decide not to become representatives or
don't feel that they're being represented in Parliament because they

(53:33):
don't see women with young children doing that job. And
so I think equally we don't want to make anyone
thinking that they're doing that job that they can't take
time with their family. But this job is very much
Wellington and local. You know, it is equal parts representation
in Parliament and representation in the electorate. And you know,
I was able to hit the ground running as soon

(53:54):
as I was back. And you know, credit to the team.
We roll as a team, A bought each other and
I don't think anyone was hard done by. But I
think that we all represent our rather large communities very
very well. And of course my electric goes all the
way from rural Hastings up to Gisbon, includes the city
of Napier and is very diverse, and I spent a

(54:15):
lot of time getting to know the people and what
they need and how they like to be represented.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Out of interest, What did you do after six months?
Did you travel with your son?

Speaker 16 (54:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (54:25):
So, as I said, my mum came down to Wellington
with me with my son and allowed me to be
able to go back to work as normal so that
I could have him there at night and he was
still being breastfeed up to ten months, which I was
glad to be able to do. And yeah, so she
keept traveling with me up and down to Wellington, which
is a huge sacrifice from Herbert, something I'm incredibly grateful for.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
You mums are awesome like that. How long do you
anticipate still traveling with him?

Speaker 19 (54:48):
Oh, he doesn't now. So he's actually at home in
Hooks Bay with my family. So my husband and my
parents sort of share the load with Lockey and it
seems to be working really well and he's adapted.

Speaker 16 (55:00):
He's fourteen months.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
How do you find that being away from him three
days a week.

Speaker 19 (55:04):
It's tough, But at the same time, I'm very much
at peace with the fact that he has a way
better time at home than being down here in Wellington.

Speaker 16 (55:12):
And you know, I.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Signed up for this job, as you said.

Speaker 19 (55:15):
You know, I've signed up to be the representative of
Napier and I know that it comes with being in Wellington.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
So you know, I'm pleased.

Speaker 19 (55:20):
That he gets to go to his amazing daycare and
spend lots of extra time with his with his grandparents.
And you know, it's actually my husband's been able to
step up and spend way more time with him than
he might have otherwise because of the traditional kind of
parent role that we might expect.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Now, all right, Katie listen, thanks very much, good luck
with everything. It must be hard juggling all Katie, nim
and Napier emp. It's nineteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
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Speaker 2 (55:50):
The Huddled with Us this evening. Morris Williams and Auckland councilor,
former National Party MP and Jack Tame, host of Saturday
Mornings and Q and A Highlands. What's two men commenting
on this?

Speaker 16 (55:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
We're going to get ourselves in trouble. Who wants to
go first? On commenting on Katie?

Speaker 20 (56:09):
I thought she I thought she put forward a really
good argument. I think I think representation takes many forms.
And the fact that she was able to return to
work in her electorate.

Speaker 6 (56:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 20 (56:21):
Maybe hearing her but for that argument might have negated
some of your concerns.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
About but she had taken six months or not off
parliamentary parliamentary work.

Speaker 20 (56:32):
Yeah, I think it's reasonable I would hate to think
that other young mothers would be put off becoming MPs
because they thought it was unreasonable to take off six months.
And I think the fact that she was able to
return to work in Napier, in her electorate and do
some electric work while being supported by some of her colleagues,
seems like a pretty good balance from my persis.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Okay, Morris, I don't think, mate, I don't think she
should have taken six months off. If you'll know, as
I said earlier, if your name's on the door, you're
back at work as soon as you reasonably can, which
I think is ten weeks of ten weeks back in
the electric ten weeks back in parliament.

Speaker 7 (57:08):
I've learned over the years in politics this is one issue.
It's a no when if you have a view either.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Way on it, tell me Jack is braver than you, Morris.

Speaker 7 (57:16):
Absolutely he is. He's much braver than I am. But
all I can say is that in the modern world
there is now technology where you can participate without being somewhere.
You know, zoom and teams and all sorts. You can
actually do a whole lot of work and send documents
backwards and forwards and change them while you're sitting at
a desk. I don't think you have to be physically
out of place to keep working, So I sort of

(57:39):
a can you're just.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Making the argument for making parliament Parliament largely remote and
cutting costs and not flying these buggers all over the
country all the time.

Speaker 7 (57:48):
And I don't think I don't think you need to
have as much of the flying around because a lot
of it's mainly campaigning and trying to promote yourself. But
in the end, you will have to do work in
Wellington at some point, otherwise you're going to flued women
who are going to have children. The desperate thing this
country needs is for us to have some more of
our own children, because the fertility rate is so bloody low,

(58:10):
and another number of countries are suffering like that around
the world, where they're just not having enough to replace
their own stock. So I don't think anything's wrong with
what she did. I don't know enough to know the details,
but I'm nervous about domining Ewa.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
You'll get it wrong.

Speaker 20 (58:26):
So it's only a small proportion, right, Like it's only
a relatively small proportion. It's like kating them and and
the Tapati Maldi MPs who aren't coming to Parliament very regularly.

Speaker 21 (58:36):
I mean, and.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Er Jack, it is one hundred percent of their representation.

Speaker 20 (58:42):
Well, and I suppose the voters in Napier will be
the ultimate judges of their MP in this circumstance. But
I think if you've got a structure whereby you can
organize to be supported by MPs on the electorates either side,
and you are returning to electric work earlier, I think
there'll actually be a lot of MP a lot of
voters in Napier who say, actually, that seems like a
pretty reasonable balance, and you know they're center father back.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yeah, all right, we'll take a break. Come back to
you guys shortly quarter to.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
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Speaker 2 (59:13):
Right, you're back with a huddle, Morris Williamson and Jack
Tame Morris. Do you want to take a bit on
whether the ain Zed Premiership the Netbulls back next year?

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (59:21):
Look, I worry about some of the sports we've got
in this country because I don't know there's enough eyeballs
or participants in terms of audience to go to keep
them all functioning. I hear these names from the ain
Zed premiere, and I don't even know where they're from.
I don't know where the Mystics are from, or the
Northern Stars or whatever they are. I thought they were Auckland,

(59:41):
but it turns out I got that wrong.

Speaker 18 (59:43):
No, I think they are.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Aren't they pay your Electra? Aren't they the pakarana ha?

Speaker 7 (59:47):
Aren't there two Northern Aren't there two Northern teams that
are both Auckland or something and one that's further north?
Looks the problemers? I don't know. I know more. I
know more about NRL teams and where they're from than
I do about it. So I worry that some of
these sports just don't have enough people interested or watching them.
But it does look pretty shocking that there's not enough

(01:00:09):
participation that they may end up with three of them going,
isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Or well, I mean, it seems entirely possibly. At the stage,
we're all kind of speculating this is the problem, though, Jack,
don't you think at the heart of it that the
guys who are running netball in New Zealand are not
actually explaining to people what's going on. They're just flitting
off to Glasgow.

Speaker 20 (01:00:26):
Yeah, I definitely think we need some clarity and it
was a very good interview to just have to five.
But I'm still not sure that I'm any clearer on
the situation as it kind of stands at the moment.
I mean, it's a difficult one to act because, like,
there are so many different entertainment products and ultimately that's
what these competitions are. There are so many instalment products
vuying for our attention right now. But I just think

(01:00:48):
given the prominence of netball, especially with young girls in
New Zealand, but you know, the popularity of netball over
the year, I think it would be a great shame
if there wasn't an attainable competition for young people to
strive towards. But yeah, I mean, at the end of
the day, this is ultimately an economic question, right and
if they can't make it stack up on the numbers front,

(01:01:08):
then you know, then it could be in trouble. But
I think it would be a great shame.

Speaker 7 (01:01:12):
Don't we have to do what we do with the
Warriors though, and they actually join an Australian competition.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Yes, but the Australians don't want us.

Speaker 7 (01:01:18):
Morris of course, they want us.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
No, they no, they don't, they don't. We had this
discussion although the Mystics might be starting in the Australian
squad as an expansion team.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
So I knew all along. I was right on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
You know, you were right, you were one hundred percent right.
This is what kept us going for ages and what
we need to get back to Jack. I am surprised
to find out it's surprised and not surprised. Surprised to
find out, not surprised to find out that the bonds
and the pea pipes are illegal to be sold, but
surprised that the cops have just allowed it to kind
of happen.

Speaker 20 (01:01:50):
Well, it just feels like one of those kind of
one of those things on the huge list of things
that police are trying to be dealing with. It feels
like this would be the absolute last priority, and evidently
it is. The Thing that always surprises me is like
just how many are for sale? You go into these
shops sometimes you're like, oh my god, how can you
possibly justify heavy hold on?

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Though, if you think about if you're doing the meth
and you've got a glass pipe, now you're going to
be wasted. You're going to drop the pipe, right, so
you're going to need lots of pipes. But with the bonds.
I don't understand, because they wouldn't.

Speaker 20 (01:02:22):
Yeah, I mean, this is truth be told. This is
not my area of expertise. I've got I've got far
too much on in my life to be wasting time
with this stuff. But well, I just I mean, I yeah,
I can't. I can't see good reason to keep telling.
It feels like the sort of thing where the police
need to do it like a little crackdown, make a
big song and dance and then hope that other retailers
who are holding these things just go, oh, you know what.

(01:02:43):
I don't want to be on the front page of
the held.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Aren't too right, Because here's the problem with it, Morris,
is that if you see this, if kids walk into
Cosmic Corner and Wellington and see this stuff on display,
it normalizes drugs for them as they think it's absolutely fine.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:02:56):
No, I think anything in that sort of note has
got to be kept completely away. I mean, we do
it with cigarettes. They've got to be behind sliding doors,
not even allowed to see them because they're so dangerous
for you, Well, why not for any of those other
things as well, because you don't want that to be normalized,
and you don't want kids to think I can just
whip down there and grab that and use it when
I need to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
No, I think that's a good point, Jack. Do you
need to accuse yourself from a discussion about TV and
Z's bulletin?

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
Yes?

Speaker 20 (01:03:20):
All I would say is all I would say, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Not accusing oneself?

Speaker 20 (01:03:24):
No, no, no, I'm going to plead a fact I
need any editorial questions. But what I would say is,
and I'm just it's always pleasing to see how much
New Zealanders care about the content one sixteen billows always
pleasing to see. So I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
What did you think, Morris of Jody? I love Jody,
But Jody goes on Mike this morning, she goes, oh,
it's perfectly fine to go sixteen or seventeen minutes on
the FIFA World Cup before we get to the fact
that old mate has won the British Open.

Speaker 7 (01:03:50):
Well, first of all, Ryan Fox is just amazing and
I thought the way he played was out steaming, and
the Open is just the biggest thing in golf and
to win it made me so proud. Now I expect
that that would just be leading all of the news networks.
Turned on the news that night because I didn't watch
it live, but if it was recorded, turn it on
and I'm just scrolling through and scrolling through, and I

(01:04:13):
came to the conclusion they don't even know Ryan Fox
has actually won the open. Yeah, that is clicked over
and had to look at the other one and TV
three I think ran with it straight away. It's that
important and for goodness sake that the people will cut
was between two countries We've not really got any great
connection with from what I'm told. I didn't see it,
but was boring as hell according to my family.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
And also Morris happened about twelve hours earlier, so it
was old news guys. Thank you appreciate it. Morris Williams
and Jack Tame seven away from six It's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
By the way, just need to get it off my chest.
When the football was on for sixteen minutes, I fast
We had a family discussion about it. I was like, mate,
can you more a marriage discussion?

Speaker 7 (01:05:00):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Can you just fast forward through the football I don't care,
and he goes, nah, I want to see it, and
so he starts watching it got about a minute and
a half in and went, oh lord, and then fast
forward through sixteen minutes of it. Because what TVNZ needs
to understand is we have fast forward now. So I
know you wanted to do that for sixteen minutes with me,
but I didn't want to, So just fast forward it
to Ryan Fox and stopped. And a lot of people

(01:05:21):
would have done that, okay, listen. Stuart Nash has just
responded to the Katie Nimman comments. He's not apologizing. He
says the campaign was about who shows up and delivers
for Naper. He's defended his own record. He says, I'm
happy to be judged on my own track record, achievements
and work ethic. That's the contest I want, and for
what it's worth of got real respect for any working
parent raising a newborn alongside a demanding job. That was

(01:05:43):
never in question. That is why I was part of
a government that supported the extending of paid parental leave,
the law change that the National Party voted against twice. Listen,
can I just want to say I'm getting a lot
of texts out it's actually pretty split. Like I thought
I was going to get absolutely dumped on for my comments,
not at all. He had the taking six months off
in three year job as ridiculous. That's from Robbie. Seriously,
he the white you get pregnant in the first place,

(01:06:04):
et cetera, et cetera. Can I just say, though, in
this business about a quality between men and women, can
we just stop pretending that being a dad is the
same as being a mum. Like, if you're one of
those people who's like man should be treated exactly the same,
get off cuckoo cloud that you're on. It's not the same.
Dad flitting off to Wellington and leaving the baby for
three days is not the same as mum flitting off

(01:06:25):
to That's why when the babies, like all both my children,
when they fall over and scrape their knee, it's mummy
they want. When they're sick, it's mummy they want. Mums
and dads are not the same. And I just think
some of us need to come, like, get off the
grass and just admit to that. Okay, it's not the same.
So it's harder. It is much much harder for women

(01:06:45):
to do both jobs. Be a mum and go down
to Wellington and maybe in some cases you just can't.
And that's okay. You don't have to be a bloke,
you're a lady. It's better blokes are dumb. AI expert
with us.

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be with us out of the UK. Just a quarters
to seven. It's seven past six now. OpenAI says a

(01:07:43):
new model of chat GPT, has hacked another company of
its own volition. A few models, including GPT five point
six Soul, were being tested without some of the guardrails
in place, and was able to break into an AI
business called Hugging Face. Open aiy is fest up and
is investigating the incident. Kerrie McInerney is an AI experted
Auklan University and with us Hi carey.

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
Hi, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Okay, So is it fair enough to say what happened
was it was being tested, it realized hugging Face had
the detail it needed, so it hacked into the Internet
and then it hacked into hugging Face as servers.

Speaker 17 (01:08:14):
Yes, that's correct.

Speaker 22 (01:08:15):
So this was unusual in that it was the first
AI agent reach of a major AI platform and hugging Face.
I think actually suspected that it was a frontier AI
model before they knew that Open Ai was responsible for
what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
What do you mean by that? They thought it was
a frontier AI model Just.

Speaker 22 (01:08:32):
The sophistication of the attack, because of course it's been
you know, AI used for various other kinds of cyber attacks,
things like generating code or writing phishing emails, but this
used an autonomous agent system from start to finish.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Are you alarmed by this, look?

Speaker 22 (01:08:49):
I'm alarmed by it in that yes, it does raise
these kind of predicted issues around cybersecurity that I think
people have been really worried about. But at the same time,
you know, my fear is that we focus a lot
on the capacities of the agents on the AI itself,
and that distracts away from the people who I think
we really should be holding responsible, which is open ai itself.
And I think you even see that in some of

(01:09:10):
the language around the incident that you know, open ai
and its employees are very keen to kind of direct
these conversations towards the acts of autonomous agent or AI
misalignment rather than corporate responsibility.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
What do you mean by that? What is the problem
with What is the corporate responsibility chat that we need
to have?

Speaker 22 (01:09:30):
So, you know, I think companies like open ai and
their main competitors Slashes spin off from open Ai Andthropic
built their reputation on the idea that they were going
to create you know, highly powered AI tools safely and
that safety and humanity was at the heart of their mission.
But I think over the years we've just seen that mission,
that big claim not come true, and instead we're seeing

(01:09:51):
more and more incidents like this one where a tool
tested by open ai causes meaningful harm and attacks another
company and causes major cybersecurity incident. And so, you know,
the conversation I think we should be having is, you know,
are these firms as trustworthy as they initially said, and
do we want them to be sort of holding so
much power over these really influential tools.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Well, what alternative do we have, Because isn't the genie
out of the bottle once you've designed something as powerful,
is that it just simply is as powerful as that?

Speaker 22 (01:10:22):
Yeah, I mean, I think the question here shouldn't be
putting the genie back into the bottle. And I think
this is often an argument people make to suggest that
people who want, you know, a different kind of future
for AI make to suggest that, you know, to ask
for anything different would be luddyte or retrograde. But I
think that there's different ways we could be designing and
regulating these models to make them safer for everyone. You know,

(01:10:44):
what's really interesting about this case is that companies like
open ai are really keen to avoid or undermine open
weight or open source models, models that people can easily
download and amend themselves, to protect their own sort of
market position to be the lead there is in this space.
But ironically, despite all their advertising previously that open source

(01:11:06):
is really dangerous, the company hugging Face actually ended up
stopping the cyber attack through the use of a Chinese
open weight model, and so I think what it really
shows is that we should be very careful about letting
our AI regulation and policy and governance be led by
a very narrow hand of actors like open ai or Anthropic,

(01:11:26):
who you know, ultimately I think, do just have their
best interests at heart.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Okay, now, given that there is this, this happened, and
then obviously there's a researcher using the same model today
that we find out about to hack into WordPress, which
means forty percent of the Internet. Basically, would you look
at those two things and think this is too dangerous
to release publicly or no?

Speaker 22 (01:11:45):
I mean I think that with all these questions, right,
we have to say who wins and who losers? Like
I think there's very obvious losers when we have these
powerful models released without sufficient governance and oversight. Right, it's
all the people running their websites on word Press who
now have to scramble to try and find meaningful cybersecurity measures.
And then the winners, I think, right, companies like chat sorry,

(01:12:06):
like open ai and like Anthropic, who not only have
their own models being used, but then can also start
to market cybersecurity solutions. And you know, this was an
incredibly great piece of marketing for Aura, the information cybersecurity
company who did the research, and so, you know, I
completely understand companies need to put their best foot forward
and advertise their services, and cybersecurity is obviously a great thing.

(01:12:29):
But I do worry about the implications of running a
study like that and then showing the world how vulnerable
all those websites are and one go, you know, will
all those businesses be able to cope with the potential
pressure that you know, potential scammers or hackers could now
you know, leverage that system to attack their websites.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Well, I probably knew it already, Kerry, Thank you very much.
Appreciate Kerry Mechaniny Auckland University AI experts fascinating stuff. Hey,
by the way, on the netball, so I had a
phone conversation in the six o'clock news and the person
I was talking to, who will remain unnamed, who has
some intimate understanding of what is going on with netball

(01:13:07):
New Zealand, reckons that in their opinion, the A and
Z premiership may not be back next year. And they
say what is making them feel very suspicious is not
only the ending of the contracts, but in their opinion,
Netball New Zealand has stopped actively engaging with the broadcasters
as in TV and Z and SkyTV about what will
be broadcast next year. Put those two things together and

(01:13:30):
they say it doesn't look good for the A and
Z premiership next year. Also, they reckon Netbull's board is
panicking at the moment, freaking out about what is going on.
And there was some suggestion that maybe they don't have
that much money to dip into because if you've been
following the netball story you'll know, of course that Netball
New Zealand had to dip into its own reserves to
basically fund the broadcast deal this year. Obviously they have

(01:13:52):
to presumably dip in again next year for the same reason.
No one's going to pay them for it. I was
under the impression Netborn New Zealand had a fair chunk
of change in there and could go for a few years,
but may not be the case anyway. There you go.
So if you needed an update just to be absolutely,
you know, more convinced that the ain Z premiership is
on really shaky ground. There it is for you. Let
me run you through the numbers. Enz it x fifty

(01:14:12):
up zero point seven eight percent today ASX fifty up
to zero point one six percent so far today. Got
a barrel of Brent crude now sitting at ninety two
US dollars. That's up one point two percent. One New
Zealand dollar is worth fifty eight usns, eighty three sens,
fifty one eurocents, forty four UK pens and ninety five yen.
Milford Asset managements with US next fourteen past six now.

(01:14:33):
One thing I've noticed is that when the property market slows,
people start looking at what they can do to improve
the home they've already got a And one of the
biggest transformations you can make is obviously in the kitchen,
because that's where everybody is. And that's why I think
you do you do it. Kitchens are really clever. They've
been doing kitchens for fifty years now. They've worked out
how to give people a custom made kitchen, but without
the eyewatering price tag. And what I like is that

(01:14:53):
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you got, and you've got a huge range of colors, finishes,
and upgrade options that you can choose from. The whole
thing is manufactured right here in New Zealand. And once
your design is finished, finished and finalized, it's dispatched in
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(01:15:15):
email away to answer your questions. So such you do it,
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I did it myself, Heather, do for see Allen. Listen,
this business with the ref abuse in Wellington has gone
up a notch again. A Wellington club rough a rugby
referee is called off a game at the weekend because
of a constant stream of abuse and apparently has now

(01:15:37):
withdrawn all together from refereeing for the rest of the
season and next year as well. What I like is
that they're not tolerating this nonsense in Wellington. So it's
going to become apparent to the parents and the teachers
and the kids really quickly that the stuff has to
stop if they want to play the game. Eighteen past six, Now,
Andrew Curtain Milfed Asset Management is with us. Hello, Andrew,

(01:15:59):
hither convenient so listen to talk me through the technology stocks
reversing some of the recent seal off last night. Was
there anything that triggered the.

Speaker 23 (01:16:06):
Bounce, Yeah, there was a little bit, But I guess
the tech stocks have been quite weak for about four
to six weeks now, and it's after a period of
an incredibly strong run, and the semiconductive stocks were up
over one hundred percent. They gave back about twenty percent
of that move, and the market's been a little bit
jittery as we come into results season. But I guess

(01:16:26):
if you point to anything last night, it's probably the
market became a little bit more relaxed about this new
Chinese model called Kimmy K three released by a company
called Moonshot, which which is basically quite a powerful model,
which is not quite as good as Anthropic and Chat
gbt's model, but not far behind, and the market initially
got a little bit worried about it. Then the market
actually concluded last night that you know what, this is

(01:16:47):
actually quite good for demand for GPUs and chip stocks,
so they had a bit of a.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Rally on it. Okay, so we're obviously we're in the
results season now and you've got the Google tomorrow. What
are we looking for here.

Speaker 23 (01:16:59):
Yeah, results, and it's going to be extremely important for
both the market and the technology and AI trade in general.
What the market wants to see from the sort of
combination of the big big tech stocks this is the Google's, Microsoft, Amazons,
et cetera, is they want to see confidence that one
they're going to continue to invest more in AI, I
spend more money on buying buying ships, and two that

(01:17:20):
they're getting returns from these from these investments. So Google's first,
first off, the rank from the major companies tomorrow and
Google has been a little bit of an AI dealing
in the recent recent sort of six month period. The
market wants to see that they're going to grow their
their cloud revenue, which is where a lot of their
AI revenue goes through. They want to see a big
number there. They want to see confidence from the CEO

(01:17:41):
and CFO that they're going to keep spending more money
on KPX, and ultimately they want to get confidence that
the margins or that let's say, the return on this
investment is looking attractive and expectations are pretty high. So look,
it could go the way on the result, but I
don't I don't expect we're going to get a weak
number from them. It's just kind of is it good
enough to beat kind of lofty expectations.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Yeah, now you you've seen some stuff happening AI wise
that's impacting your view on the tech stocks.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:18:07):
So the increasing focus over the last sort of month
or so has been basically this US versus fress Chinese
competition and AI. The rarely is that these Chinese companies
are producing some pretty good models. They're closing the gap
to the US models, and the market's getting a little
bit concerned that if the Chinese models dominate, does this
take revenue and earnings away from the US companies And

(01:18:29):
it's the US companies that are driving most of the spending.
So you you kind of while having a strong Chinese
competition is maybe good for us as consumers because we
can use good models that are that are cheaper, it's
not particularly good for companies like Anthropic and Open AI.
So it's sort of increasing I guess called it a
war and AI going on. There's there's regulatory issues so

(01:18:50):
and that's that's the sort of key key development. But
outside of that, if you if you step back, AI
and its capability is progressing an incredibly fast rate. It's
all getting better, it's getting cheaper, it's getting better for
the consumer. So look, in general, I think it's all
heading in the right direction. It's all it's all kind
of good for usability. But you know, it's just the

(01:19:10):
sort of tension between US and China that's becoming a
bigger focus.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Yeah, thanks very much. Man, Really appreciate talking to Andrew
Kittaine Milford Asset Management here. They're not a bad discussion
that you had earlier about the bongs and stuff. I'm
not sure if you're aware, but these smoke shops can
basically call the bongs flower bars. That's how they're getting
away with it. Which, yeah, that's a fair point. But
I mean, like that's that's the emperor's clothes, like, isn't it?
Like that is the emperor's new clothes. And at some

(01:19:34):
point we have to get out of this nonsense where
we go, oh, look that's a flower bar, not a bong.
That's okay, and just go mate, I'm just gonna call
your shit right, that's a bong. Stop selling it. It's illegal, surely.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
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(01:20:07):
that'd begby.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
I think this is really cute. Apparently people are buying
Sam Neil's wine label to try to pay tribute to him.
So Liquorland New Zealand said the two Paddox Pino Nois
has gone from being the four hundred and twenty third
best selling wine the week before Sam Neil passed away
to number five in the days after the news broke.
That's a twenty eight percent increase in sales. Regional Wines,

(01:20:32):
which is a boutique, boutique liquor store in Wellington sold
out of the stock on the day that he died.
More Wilson's, which is just awesome and Wellington sold five
times the usual volume of two Paddocks. Isn't that nice?
I mean, not only are you are you giving the
money for the funeral, and funerals are expensive, but also
you're doing the thing that he want, that he loved.

(01:20:53):
You're drinking his wine and he loved sharing his wine
with people. So you go six twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Mister Beast is officially off the market. Now you know
who he is. He's the YouTube star right. He's married
another content creator, thea Boyson. They've had an intimate private
island wedding which had only had about seventy family and friends,
which really is properly intimate, like cramming your whole life
into only seventy people. That's bloody heart. There will be

(01:21:23):
people who will be really angry with them. They didn't
get to come along to this. Mister Beasts, by the way,
as a chap called Jimmy Donaldson who's famous for YouTube
videos which do in which he does like ultra expensive
stunts and he gives away huge amounts of cash and
racking random acts of kindness and stuff. Here's the most
subscribed individual creator on YouTube anyway. At the wedding week

(01:21:44):
long celebration on Richard Branson's Necker Island in the British
Virgin Islands fun Field days of festivities including kite surfing
and snorkeling and feeding the lemurs and flamingos that live
on the island. Yay Bride wore accustomed nicole and Felisia
couteur gown. I don't know, do you? I don't know anyway,
Felicia Felizia who knows? He wore a Ralph Lauren tuxedo.
The reception featured sushi wag you beef and carrot cake

(01:22:07):
that I could have gone for. That that's not bad.
That's because I love a sushi and that that feels
nice and fresh for a hot day. Anyway. Their first
dance was to this song. Frankly, it's below lines because
this is the song sucks, doesn't it? Or slash. If
you don't agree with me, you have to say it's overplayed. Anyway,

(01:22:27):
Happy marriage, then, may it be long and prosperous, and
may they have many children. Genasi training. Next on the
fact that the rents are going up very slowly, which
is good news.

Speaker 13 (01:22:37):
News is next just funny, whether it's macro micro or
just plain economics.

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Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Dear King lack Quinna, You've standing there and then right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
France is doing it. It's a proof the blanket social
media ban for the under fifteens. We'll have a chat
to Gavin Gray about it when he's with us in
ten minutes time. Now, twenty five away from seven, I've
got some good news for you. Rents have risen at
the slowest rate in twenty five years. Stats New Zealand
says they increased point five percent zero point five percent
between the June twenty five and June twenty six quarters,
which is basically a trend that we've seen since the

(01:23:25):
end of twenty twenty four. The Herald's Wellington Business editor
to genative trainees across this and is with us I
Jena hi Heaver. What's driving this really slow rent increase?

Speaker 24 (01:23:36):
Well, according to Cotality chief economist Calvin Davidson, he reckons
it's just good old classic supply and demand. So the
supply of rentals has gone up in recent years. Meanwhile
demand has gone down. He thinks that's largely because immigration
has been weak, so you know, so basically more houses,

(01:23:57):
fewer people wanting the houses.

Speaker 16 (01:23:59):
Now.

Speaker 24 (01:24:00):
You know, there's been so many different changes in the
property landscape recently. If you think of how interest rates
have fluctuated dramatically, We've had since the COVID period, different
changes in LVR rules from the Reserve Bank, and changes
of government with in terms of you know, being able
to no longer deduct interest as an expense when paying
tax and now you can do that again. So we've

(01:24:21):
got all this sort of noise in the background. That's
all influencing influencing the property market. But Calvin Davison reckons
it's good old supply and demand. So in his view,
if people say, look if costs that landlords face, if
they go up rent rent is going to go up,
he thinks that's not quite true because you know, even

(01:24:44):
if a landlord's costs have gone up, they can only
rent out a house affairs demand. So that kind of
puts to bed some of the debate around some of
these policy changes. Because of course, at the moment, landlords
don't have a great time really either with those council
rates being high, insurance is still pretty high, and interest
rates aren't super low either, so.

Speaker 16 (01:25:06):
You know, it's not a great time for a landlord either.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
No, do you think that it will continue this trend?

Speaker 24 (01:25:13):
Well, according to Calvin Davidson and also Tony Alexander, they
reckon things have kind of bottomed out, and if you
look at some of the surveys that Tony Alexander has
done of property owners, there has been a bit of
a shift. So you know, for example, in terms of
the portions of landlords who think they can increase rent

(01:25:35):
and the portions who say they're struggling to get tenants.
That is starting to shift. So it's becoming a bit
more kind of landlord friendly, but not at any great rate.
And I think, you know, we're really seeing that in
the property market as well. Things may be atturning a corner,
but hardly, hardly much. I think that the property investors

(01:25:56):
will be worried if there's a change of government. The
capital gains tax is the one that gets a lot
of attention, but really, if property investors can no longer
deduct interest as an expense, that's a big one that affects.

Speaker 16 (01:26:11):
Which cash flow.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Have We got an answer from labor on that.

Speaker 24 (01:26:15):
No, we don't, And I keep asking them because I
think that's a huge policy that would affect cash flow.
And you could argue that if it's so unattractive to
become a property investor, you know, you could have fewer
rentals on the market, which could then put rents up
that way.

Speaker 16 (01:26:33):
That's one argument you could make.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Explain, I wouldn't you carry on?

Speaker 24 (01:26:37):
I wouldn't be surprised if labor prevented interest deductions, but
not entirely, more like fifty percent. So they said you
could deduct some of your interests, but not all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
That's so, why are they not being forth you know,
forthright about it right now? Is it because they're saving
this up for later or are they just not sure themselves.

Speaker 24 (01:26:54):
That's a good question, and I don't know the answer
to that. Yeah, it's a yeah, it's a good question.
I think that'll be huge news because if you are
worried about a capital gains tax, you know that that
tax is only on the gain, but.

Speaker 16 (01:27:09):
With interest deductibility.

Speaker 24 (01:27:11):
If you know, if you are a landlord and you
have high expenses every month and then you can't deduct
the interest as an expense every year, that does make you, know,
being in that position quite a lot harder. You know,
you really need capital gains or something to make that
an attractive investment.

Speaker 16 (01:27:31):
At that point, it doesn't look you need something.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Yeah, you know, thank you very much. Make appreciate it.
You na tips raining the Herald's Wellington Business Editor. It's
twenty away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Heather Duel s Allen Sky City is.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Reported to The Insidex that it's managed to sell the
grand So it hasn't said it to whom it's sold it,
just that the transaction is subject to a bunch of
conditions due diligence, negotiation, blah blah blah, all that stuff
probably going to need permission from the OIO if it
goes ahead. They'll get the money this year, so that's
going to move quite fast. Just a quick quick for you.
So a friend of mine text before she doesn't have
any kids, and so she gets hot up by everybody

(01:28:06):
with children for the latest supermarket giveaways. Because we've discussed
like it's we've got we're fair and balanced on this show.
So we've done the smeag at New world smeag knives.
It's an ugly word, smeg, isn't it anyway? So we've
done the smeag knives at New Worlds. So it's only
fair that we do the ushs which are going on
at the Woolworth's at the moment. She says apropos of
absolutely nothing. Just offered me her appraisal because this is

(01:28:29):
what she's like. She said to me, the ushies are
more popular than the lego things the bricks, and that
people are going nuts. So for them, now is this
what do you reckon? Is this a thing like a week?
Because I have to be honest with you. The bricks
I have got. I looked in the laundry today and
they're sitting in the laundry as a as a Woolworth's
bag full of the bricks that are unopened. They just

(01:28:51):
completely lost interest in the bricks, and I think the
problem with them was that perhaps perhaps Woolworths were overly generous,
so we got a lot of bricks and they were
repeating and it just it just got boring, like there
was just too much. It was just supply and demand.
Do you know what I mean? Way too much supply. Oh,
she's maybe less of a thing, so I'm thinking that
she might be right also that uh she's a cuter
ay for little kids, Like it's not that fun for

(01:29:13):
a little kid. I was more interested in looking at
like a little bad of bag of Whiskers cat food
because there's a miniature size of something that I actually
deal with. Children don't deal with that crap. They just
eat whatever, you know, but they're gone, so they don't
think it's cute to look at small versions. I feel
like the bricks were for adults and the ushies of
her children. Anyway, this will not be the last discussion
of us, she's I promise you, because already that it's
been decided that the Spider Man's the one to go for.

(01:29:34):
So you know, I've got four woodies already, have you.
We'll discuss this a lot. Don't just settle in for
that now. At the risk of getting myself completely offside
with the sisterhood, I've got another one for you. Not
only am I like borderline ish on the side of
Stuart nash Ree Katy them and not really but like

(01:29:57):
kind of I'm I'm kind of on board with what
he was saying about taking too much maternity leave, but
I just want to say hard no to global women.
So global women, I don't know if you're aware of this,
but they're like it's like for you know, corporate women
and professional women. It's a little team that they can
get together and sort of tell each other they are
awesome and do some kind of like I don't know,
some personal development, Like there's some value. There's value in it, right,

(01:30:19):
there's value in it. And if they said to me,
do you want to be part of Global Women hard Out,
I'd be there. Don't think that. I don't love the
sound of this. However, Global Women is calling for mandatory
pay gap reporting. The chair Dame there Is Getting and
the chief executive, Katie Brettnak, have published an open letter
today calling on politicians on both sides of the political

(01:30:41):
debate to support this. I say hard no to this
because all this is as red tape on businesses. Because
now what's going to happen is that Jason, my boss,
is going to go He's going to have to count
up all the women, and then he's going to have
to work out what we get paid, count up all
the men, work out what they get paid, calculate the
pay gap, make some excuses, like write some corporate Then

(01:31:04):
Kellie who's in media, is gonna have to like look
at it and go, oh, geez, we've got a thirty
percent pay gap or whatever it is. I don't know,
and then she's gonna have to like explain that in
the corporate release. And it's just gonna tie up people
doing work that they do not need to do which
they are. Their boards are already full, right, They've already
got enough work. They're full, They're at capacity now. Now

(01:31:25):
people will say to you, are but this is there's
a noble it's noble like, there's a good reason for this.
We're trying to lift the pay of women. Listen, every
single thing, every single piece of red tape starts with
a noble aim. Right, it's always a good reason why
we need this red tape. But ultimately the red tape
always costs businesses money. So if you want this country
to be more productive, stop coming up with stupid ideas

(01:31:45):
like this. Just don't worry about it. Women. If you
honestly believe in the power of women, and I do, dude,
we already know there's a pay gap. That's why we're
fighting real hard for our pay and conditions. Don't worry.
Leave it up to us. We'll sort it out. Sixteen
away from seven, it's.

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Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Edb fringes ticks and said she has a spider man
or she for us. So yeah, here you go sort
of thirteen away from seven Gavin Gray UK correspondence with
US Hallo, Gavin either all right, talk me through the
social media band in France.

Speaker 17 (01:32:32):
Yes, going to be quite interesting and very very difficult
to enforce the course. But what they're saying is, look,
children under the age of fifteen will not be allowed
to open a social media account from September, while platforms
will have a further four months to close accounts already open.
And they're also going to demand that an age verification

(01:32:53):
technology is approved by the French privacy regulator on all
these different social media outlet. So it comes after several
families in France have actually sued TikTok because teenage children
took their own lives. There's been similar problems here in
the ukl similar allegations of these problems, and many of
the relatives of the dead children say they really believe

(01:33:17):
their deaths were linked harmful content online. So the government
in France has acted. It has now approved this blanket ban.
It'll be the first European country to introduce such a restriction.
Both houses of parliament of the French parliament that's the
Senate and the National Assembly passed the bill. And the
move comes eight months after Australia brought in the world's
first ban from under sixteens on platforms like social media Facebook, Snapchat,

(01:33:42):
TikTok etc. With growing concerns around the world. Heather so yep,
France the first to act in Europe and it could
really lead now, I think, to many other countries following suit.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
Okay, how's this announcement come down?

Speaker 9 (01:33:54):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
Gone down with you guys? About the two pound cap
on the bus fares.

Speaker 17 (01:33:58):
Yeah, it's another little measure that's been introduced by the
new Prime minister aimed at easing the cost of living pressure.
So we've had the announcement of the cut in tax
on electricity bills for households that was going to be
worth about ninety eight ninety nine New Zealand dollars a year,

(01:34:18):
so not massive. Now he's putting a bus fare cap
in England to roughly four dollars forty and that will
come in from January. So again it's small beer.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
It's only a cap.

Speaker 17 (01:34:32):
It is not free bus travel. They reckon it's going
to cost a little over one and a bit billion
New Zealand dollars. And then, in fact not the first
government to do this, the previous Conservative government cap the
fair at two pounds or that four dollars forty and
then Sir Kistarma let it rise to three when he

(01:34:52):
was Prime minister, the first Labor prime minister. But now
Adie Burnham brought it back to two. Now according to
opinion polls and data, they're saying that it will help
reduce inflation and it is a popular measure because many
people are earning lower amounts of money do use the
bus a lot. But it found that the scheme had

(01:35:12):
been introduced earlier it did contribute five percent to bus usage,
so it is something that is going to make a difference.
Although again people saying to Andy Burnham, where is the
money coming from, because you kept saying you're going to
not do any unfunded handouts. Well, is this another one.

(01:35:33):
The government's come back saying that it's going to be
reallocated from the Department for Energy Security in Netzer in
other words, a shuffling of the deck chairs.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Now listen, I see your chips appeared in court over
the murder of n would come. Do we know anything
more about why he's alleged to have done it?

Speaker 12 (01:35:49):
No?

Speaker 17 (01:35:49):
No, And I'm afraid there was a genuine gasp in
court when some of the details came out, because earlier
in the day it said there was no clear indiation
of the cause of her death. And then all of
a sudden we had the inquest, We had the initial
court hearing of this twenty eight year old man Joshua

(01:36:10):
Kerrey at magistrates and then straight to the Old Bailey
for another hearing, and it suddenly got revealed that Anne
Willickomb had suffered twenty one blows to her head from
a hammer. So all of a sudden this taught that,
you know, they weren't quite sure if it was murder
or not at the start of the investigation. Seemed utterly
bizarre and out of place. So Joshua Kerrey arrested on

(01:36:33):
suspicion of murder two days after the former Conservative Minister
for Prisons and the Reform UK spokeswoman for Immigration. The
seventy eight year old found dead with serious injuries at
her home on Thursday, the ninth of July. But that
man Joshua Krey was later rearrested on suspicions of commission,
preparation or instigation and acts of terrorism, but still there

(01:36:55):
has been no definite link on that. What's interesting is
this is not going to make court for a hearing
until nearly a year June of next year. Why Apparently
it's to give the police more time to go through
all the different phone telecommunications, you know, research that they've

(01:37:16):
got to do because you know, they've got to listen
to into phone calls, they've got to go through the emails,
they've got to look at what Internet searches might have
been made. But yeah, it just goes to show what
a lot of work they're now trying to put in
to seeing if this is linked terrorism or not.

Speaker 13 (01:37:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
Interesting, that is very interesting and it takes such a
long time at Thank you very much. Make really appreciate it.
Gavin Gray, UK correspondent, excuse me, still suffering from a cough.
I warned this was a risk to Trump and it
is bearing out. A federal judge in the US has
ruled that he has to release detailed financial information from
his businesses, all of his businesses, or many of his

(01:37:52):
businesses as part of his defamation lawsuit against the BBC.
His legal team is going to try to appeal this.
This has happened overnight. His legal team is going to
appeal this. But this was always the problem really ultimately
for both sides, the discovery process. What they don't want
us to see. Trump with his financial dealings, the BBC
with their internal correspondence about Donald Trump. Neither of them
want that stuff to get out, and in this case

(01:38:13):
it could get out for both of them. Seven away
from seven. The Ushi's are definitely more popular with the kids.
I had to do a double take this afternoon wondering
what the helles and Zelen or whatever it is was.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
I don't know what half the stuff is. Hey, do
you know what half the stuff is? I look at it.
I mean, like I know the basic ones like Woody.
I was like, oh, yeah, there's Woody, there's the cowgirl,
there's the donkey, or that one's Elsa, Oh I think
that one, and like that. I think that one's a
little baby yoga yoga. But apart from that, I like
half of the stuff. I'm like, what's that thing? That
the green thing coming out the back? No bloody idea, Hey,

(01:38:47):
this is kind of cool. Apparently this is cool for
like the if you believe that the future is premium tourism.
Apparently our four and a half to five star hotels,
the really flash ones, they are doing better occupancy wise
than the older three to four star hotels. This is
according to a report which has come out today. They
reckon these guys all with HTL suggests guests continuing to

(01:39:11):
seek out higher standards and are willing to pay a premium.

Speaker 21 (01:39:14):
Good for us and Morning Glory by Oasis to play
us out tonight. So the UK's official charts have had
their seventieth anniversary today because they started in nineteen fifty six,
so this is the album's chart. So they've announced that
What's the Story Morning Glory by Oasis is actually the
biggest studio album of.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
All time in the UK on that chart.

Speaker 16 (01:39:35):
So if you're ever wondering.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
Which what metric for being on there, the long line.

Speaker 21 (01:39:38):
Yeah, just just selling the most albums out of any
album on that chart at all. They are the one
that sold the most What's the Story Morning Glory? So yep,
congrats Oasis. Not not really a shock to see that one.
I don't think, no, I mean they are.

Speaker 16 (01:39:50):
They were begged.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
That's why that reunion was so big. And thank you
very much. All right, enjoy your evening, See you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
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