Full Show Podcast: 27 March 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spins spence to find the real story.
Or it's Ryan Bridge on hither duplessy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
They'd be good.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Afternoon. Judith Collins a very happy minister this afternoon. She
is crowing about cuts to consultants, but what about the
number of public servants? We'll ask her after five Can
you get insurance for a crash if you've had one
beer but you're not drunk? We look at this case
after five to two and Eden Park the stadium decision

(00:34):
from Auckland Council today. Oh they're still talking in this
council meeting and it's running late. And we know when
it comes to eden Park and things running late. Helen
Clark gets unhappy, so she won't like this. I don't
like this, No one likes this. But we'll hopefully have
some sort of decision for you before the end of
the program.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Bryan Bridge just.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Gone at seven after four. Chris Bishop. He's a busy boy,
isn't he. He's had a whole slew of announcements in
the last week and they just keep on coming. His
most recent one, though, is about land use and it
will prove controversial. Depending on where you live and what
you do with your land, you're going to feel differently
about this. So here is the gist of it. He's

(01:16):
making changes. He's trying to balance the fact that we
need to build more houses for us to live in,
but we also need to have good quality land with
good quality soil to farm so that we can feed
ourselves food and shelter. Doesn't get more basic than that.
But we don't have infinite land in the right places

(01:37):
to do it all, right, So the previous government came
up with a system to classify land and protect some
parts as highly productive land. That's what they called it.
Places where fruit and veggies can grow really well. The
law says you can't build houses there because obviously that
would be difficult with it trying to grow fruit and
veggies and trying to have houses in the same place.

(01:59):
So bishops announced this government is going to scrap this
rule for two thirds of the areas where there is
level what they call level three soil, which is good
soil but not excellent soil. Maybe you're growing berries but
not lettuce. Now this could mean a few things. If
you're a farmer. Let's say you're a chief and beef

(02:19):
farmer or dairy or whatever, and part of your land
is protected. You might actually be happy with this. You
might be able to subdivide it for housing, where under
the current rules you might not have had the chance.
But what about the land around Pucacoi near Auckland or
Hordefenua north of Wellington. I hear you are so. Horticulture

(02:40):
industry has long complained that infill housing or urban sprawl
is threatening to overtake the quality bits of land that
we have, and for that Bishop has a solution, special
agricultural zones. These zones, he says, will protect your level one,
your level two, your level three land, all the good

(03:00):
bits from housing if it's all grouped together in a
nice natural way i e. Pukacoe and Hodefenua. So what
he's done, what he's trying to do, is a bespoke
fixed to what was quite a blanket solution from the
previous government. Now we're still waiting on reaction from the
various industry groups this afternoon. This is a very tricky

(03:23):
issue for governments to deal with. It's about how we
feed ourselves, how we house ourselves, but also deals with
how individual property owners can use their own land breads
after for no roadside drug testing. It is coming. The
law has passed, but could it inadvertently catch innocent people

(03:44):
who are using the likes of ADHD medication or using
medicinal cannabis. The Transport Minister Chris Bishop says the government's
looking at a test that will only pick up on
the relevant illegal drugs.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
The prescription drug aspect of it. People on ADHD, heart
or that. Do you wait that, do you give that
some credence or not?

Speaker 3 (04:04):
The tests won't pick up for that stuff.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
So it's it's testing for things like cocaine, ecstasy, marijuana.
And they've got some pretty sophisticated tests out there that
other jurisdictions use that we're hoping to use here where
you pick that stuff up and you know you would
have two tests at the roadside, and you know then
if you if there's two tests that you fail, then

(04:29):
you will be banned from driving for twelve hours.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Sounds like a lot of hope there. Dylan Thompson is
the a's road safety spokesperson with then this afternoon, high Dylan,
good afternoon, is this do these tests exist like really
good ones? That differentiate the legal from the illegal.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yes, they do. So the first thing I'll say is
it's really hard to give definitive, absolute yes or no
to everything answers on this because there's so many different substances, medications, drugs.
But if we look at Australia, for example, the testing
devices that they use, they say in their official guidance

(05:11):
information that ADHD medication should not return a positive result.
And also the testing devices generally test for THHC and
a lot of the medicinal cannabis does not have THHC
in it. I mean, you have to forgive me a
little bit. I'm not a pharmacist, but so there are

(05:33):
testing devices that should not be returning positive results for
people on ADHD medication or medicinal cannabis. And the law
is also going to have a medical defense, so you
shouldn't if you have a prescription and are using it
as prescribed, you should not be looking at any fines
or demerit points even if you did return a positive test.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Okay, how quickly could all this happen? Do you think?
How quickly do you think they're be able to get
these tests up and running.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Well, we're hoping from the AA's perspective that by the
end of the year we might actually see police using this.
It'll depend a little bit on how quickly police because
police are only now beginning the process of looking at devices,
testing them and trialing them, and there's a lot of
different devices out there on the market to choose from.
But we're hoping by the end of the year we
might actually see this finally happening in New Zealand. Because

(06:23):
you know, it's really important to remember we are averaging
currently about one hundred road deaths a year. We're testing
after the fact shows drugs in a driver's system that
police think may have contributed to that crash.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Got to be done then, Dylan, thank you for that.
Dylan Thompson, a road safety spokesperson with us this afternoon,
Thanks for your time. Thirteen minutes after four, you're on
news Talks there. Big Darcy's here next. Lots of people
really quite exercised about Liam Lawson. Still quite exercised about
Liam Lawson, which I suppose you can understand. It's a
big deal for him, big deal for New Zealand. But

(06:58):
I mean, as anyone surprise, this is like a ruthless
sport isn't it. And the ruthless people. Look at the
way he got in there. That was ruthless. You know,
you could argue. So I don't know. I don't know
if I'm necessarily surprised by what has happened, although I
do think it is sad. But I'm interested in how
fired up people are about the hole Anlawson situation. Fourteen

(07:19):
after four.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
It's the Heather Dupussy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
iHeart Radio powered my News Talk ZEBB.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
News Talk zb. It is four sixteen. So over in Australia,
Albanezeer came up we told you yesterday, came out with
his tax cut for people, and today Peter Dutton went
on ben Fordham and Sydney, which is a radio show,
the very popular radio show, and he's slamming it. He's saying, oh,
look you're going to get seventy cents a day for
your average worker. But the other thing about the tax

(07:49):
cuts is you don't get them for fifteen months. So
Elbow is standing up there and saying to you, you're
struggling the cost of living crisis. I know it's hard.
I'll give you a tax cut in fifteen months and
Dutton has come out this morning quite shrewdly. He's doing
his address and reply this evening to the budget that
was happening this week. But he's come out this morning

(08:12):
with a shorter, sharper, quicker, cruder cut to excise. So
it's petrol. He's halving the excise on petrol. And what
he's doing is keeping that in place. So if you've
got a one car, you're a one car family, it's
about seven hundred bucks a year. If you're a two
car family, which most are, that's fifteen hundred bucks a
year extra in your pocket. But he's only doing it

(08:34):
for one year, so the cost won't be as great
and ongoing better for his budget, but the effect is immediate.
So quite smart from him. Eighteen after four. Ryan Murray
Olds will be with us after the News at four
thirty two to talk more. Darcy's here with Sport. Hey,
Darcy Sugar hit politics.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
Eh.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Absolutely, question is can they afford it? You know, even
six billion dollars, I can't.

Speaker 6 (08:58):
Afford anything anywhere any stage. Well, well no, there's a
couple that can.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, but it's not talking about they've got deficits for
are you talking about like authoritarian states.

Speaker 7 (09:09):
No, I'm talking about sport.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Huh.

Speaker 7 (09:12):
I know my place.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
They just can't help myself today. You can't avoid politics
because sport and politics are colliding with the stadium business.
So they're still in the meeting. What's the latest, what's happening.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
Yeah, they're still launching custard pies and savories at each
other across the desk. Always like to be a fly
in a wall at these council meetings. What they actually
talk about, what they achieve, who's asleep, how much gets drunk,
who pays attention. They're still trying to work out if
it's going to be Eden part two point one, three

(09:43):
point eight or they're going to go to Thong, which
is the key park exercise. So they've had the submissions.
They're now thumbing through all of these submissions early doors.
It looks like they're not happy as it was released
at the start of the week with any of them.
So now they're going to.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Thrash it out.

Speaker 6 (10:03):
Honestly, the Warriors will win the NRL before we get
a new stadium in Auckland.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
I just don't see it happening.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
They talk private with Titongloa. That's where the money's come from.
That is one thing. I think that we've been burnt
a few times by private equity silver Lake and also
investments from billionaires overseas. How much can you trust that
you got the issue with titongro of building, then over
top of train stations, they've got to look at the land,

(10:34):
how long the lease is for and of course Eden
Park accusations there, Well.

Speaker 8 (10:38):
It's lego.

Speaker 7 (10:39):
Every couple of years they clip.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
A new bit on it and they hope for the
best that the advantage of eden Park is there. They've
got a train station turning up and then the city
rail link turns up to be right there and there.
But the piecemeal approach is that satisfactory? How do you
feel about one two three billion dollars being spent on
I just I don't see it happening. I don't see

(11:02):
the wherewithal for everyone on Awkland to get it done.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Well, we will wait and see, hope it might come
on my show, might come on your show next year's
what's on the show?

Speaker 9 (11:12):
Now?

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Who have you got on the show to night?

Speaker 6 (11:14):
You know you're going to talk about the resulting meeting
through the council. Nothing's happened with it, but to do it.
But we will be joined by Heath Mills. He is
the chief executive of the WCA, which is the World
Cricketers Association. Are looking at trying to rebuild the international program,
to give it some relevance and more of a coherent

(11:37):
view that people actually understand, because at the moment it's
an absolute mess.

Speaker 7 (11:41):
It's a dog's breakfast.

Speaker 6 (11:42):
No one knows who's running it, what the matches are
all about. So they're proposing one of the proposals is
to have four twenty one day windows where international cricketers
play with relevance, not just pointless bilateral series. Because the
interesting fact out of this Ryan is that apparently every day,
almost every day of the year, there was a game
going on in a T twenty league somewhere in the world.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Too much cricket, creeping death, too much cricket, Well, we
know what you think. Cricket Well no, well yes, yes, frankly,
it's boring and there's too much of it. And you've
just proven my point. Darcy, thank you, We'll see you tonight.
Heaven watch it.

Speaker 7 (12:19):
You know you can turn it off if you have
to go.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Darcy, see you at seven, Okay, News talksp.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Moving the big stories of the d forward. It's Ryan
Bridge on Hither duper ce allan drive with one New Zealand.
Let's get connected News talksby.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Four on news Talks hereb. I went to a work
function last night which was great fun, very good entertainment.
Carrie was MC. She's very good at it. She's very funny.
If you do need an MC, I'd highly recommend carry Woodhem. Anyway,
it was a great night and I drank two beers
during the course of two hours, and then I drove home. Now,

(13:02):
when I was driving home, it did cross my mind.
I did think, Oh, to be fair, they were low
car bears, because I want to be drunk, not fat.
But I was driving home and I thought would I
be over the limit? Because I had I did have
a little bit of dinner, so I suppose I would
have been fine. But it did cross my mind driving home.
If I was pulled over, would I be over the
legal limit. There's a story out today about a guy

(13:24):
who leaves a bar. This is in New Zealand in
June last year. Leaves a bar. He's had two drinks,
gets in his cart. It's a company cart. Scrapes another
car in the car park. Then it goes to get
the insurance and they turned down his claim because he
told them silly man for being honest. He told them

(13:45):
he had consumed some alcohol. He said he had had
two drinks. He said he wasn't appeared and had he
been tested by the police, he would have been below
the legal limit. So the insurance company says, nat Care,
you're not We're not paying you out. He says, well,
if stuff you, I'm going to the Dispute Service, the

(14:06):
Financial Services Complaints Limited, and they determined that actually he
was in the right. But it begs the question, what
have you ever checked your car insurance, what what you're
actually covered for and what their rules are if you've
had one sip of alcohol? Can they deny your claim.
We're going to interview a lawyer about this after five

(14:27):
o'clock tonight, because obviously we've all got skin in the game,
haven't we. News talk there'd be twenty six minutes after
four Ryan Bridge lots of texts on drug driving. So
if that's if drink driving is not your thing, then
perhaps you're into this. The government is going to introduce testing.
It's going to come before the end of the year,
according to the AA. This afternoon, Ryan, I get legal

(14:50):
medicinal cannabis which has twenty seven percent THC in it. Now,
the test the government's going to introduce don't necessarily differentiate
between cannabis. That's got to actually in cannabis that doesn't.
So how on earth are you going to deal with
that situation? Somebody says stupidity causes accidents? Are they going
to test for that? I don't know how you test

(15:12):
with stupidity. I suppose you could ask someone to count
or do an equation. Twenty seven after four, News Talk
said beat Murray holds out of Australia.

Speaker 10 (15:21):
Next News Talk said, be extra What did you make
of it all?

Speaker 11 (15:33):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (15:33):
I thought it was pretty upbeat to sort of see
the level of energy that we were putting out there,
and because let's be real, this was trying to present
a bit more of a shopfront to the world for
New Zealand and all the projects that we've.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Got going on.

Speaker 12 (15:47):
We know we've got a lot of infrastructure that needs
to be built.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
We know that it's a.

Speaker 12 (15:50):
Lot of money that's going to be poured through those
plapelines over the next decade.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Or so.

Speaker 12 (15:55):
But this was trying to get some of those foreign
investors over the line to go, look, actually there's.

Speaker 13 (15:59):
A lot to do here.

Speaker 12 (16:00):
You should invest here, you should keep some people here,
you should make sure that you're part of it. And
I think on that score, the fact that you've got
at least one big ferd that said actually, okay, we'll
stick around sort of seems to show that it worked
quite well.

Speaker 13 (16:13):
What makes these PPPs attractive to foreign investors.

Speaker 12 (16:17):
Well, I think I mean there's a lot of work
obviously to be done, and having a project like that
it means that they have a return that they know
is going to continue to come forward.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
That was a news Talks.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
There'd be extra recamping the day's big news and making
tomorrow's headlines. It's Ryan Bridge on Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 14 (16:42):
That'd be it is twenty four minutes away from five.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Great to have you coming this afternoon. We'll get to
Murray Olds out of Australia in just a few moments.
I like this text from Naked says Ryan. My dad
hated and insurance. He always used to say that all
insurance will cover you if you fall off your roof,
but none will cover you when you hit the floor,
and that is when you really need to cover. It's
very true. We're going to talk after five o'clock to
this about this guy Kiwi. Guy goes to the pub,

(17:14):
has two beers, not drunk, hits another car and insurance
doesn't want to pay him out, not because he's drunk,
but because he's let the sin of letting a drop
of alcohol touch his mouth. Now is that fear? That
is the question. That's after five twenty three to two.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
It's the world wires on news dogs.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
He'd be drive this group chat business over in Washington
really blowing up. So we now know the text did
contain details of the exact times the jets, the drones,
the missiles were going to be launched and when the
target would be fired on. Here is a former US
Marine colonel on that listen.

Speaker 11 (17:54):
I think the world of a lot of the people
that participated in that conversation, I really do. But anybody
who says that it wasn't classified is really wrong. They
need to talk to me or they need to get
re educated.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Over in Australia does and says he'll repeal the government's
tax cuts. If his party wins the election, he's promised
to cut the fuel tax instead. Treasurer Jim Chalmers says
this is nuts.

Speaker 15 (18:17):
I can't find any example of any opposition or government
going to an election saying that they will legislate to
increase income taxes on every single Australian tax payer.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Finally, this afternoon, an Italian politician has proposed that babies
should be given their mother's surname at birth instead of
their father's. He says it's long overdue, a long overdue
correction to a patriarchal system. A centrist politician says the
country has bigger things to worry about than baby's surnames.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
And should keep them happy. Murray Old's Australia correspondent, Hi Murray,
very good afternoon. Ryan Elbow visiting the Governor General on Friday.
I wonder what for.

Speaker 16 (19:10):
Well one does not like to boast, But I did
give you a sneak preview forty eight hours ago. I
just forgot where I read it. This afternoon, this afternoon,
nine newspapers over here are saying definitely tomorrow morning, Elbow's
got the uber booked to go from his Canber residence
to the Governor General's place and there he will invite

(19:31):
the Governor General to dissolve the government and he can
call an election. It looks like to be May the third. Now,
these sources at nine newspapers have spoken to unauthorized to
speak to the media. It says, emphasize the plan was
changed when Cyclone Alfred belted into Queensland. So the timeline

(19:53):
is as I suggested on Tuesday. Tonight, Peter Dutton will
stand up in Parliament and give his budget.

Speaker 17 (19:59):
In apply address, he's.

Speaker 16 (20:01):
Going to reveal policies we understand on things like housing,
gas supply, migration. But it's all going to get blown
out of the water if Elbow hops on the car
tomorrow morning and go and goes to call an election
May the third, I think I've mentioned and the coalition,
by the way, not since nineteen hundred and thirty one

(20:22):
has a one term government been kicked out. That was
the election that cost the then Prime Minister Melbourne Stanley
Bruce or Stanley Melbourne Bruce, I beg your pardon, is
his own seat so that happened back in the Great Depression,
and it's really really difficult. Notwithstanding the fact that labor
government has sort of been not that flash, it must
be admitted the Coalition does need around twenty seats Riot

(20:45):
to form majority government and that does seem a real
big stretch.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
So you because I was going to say it's too
close to call at this point and there's so much
to go, water to go under the bridge. But if
you look at the plans that the you know, Elbows
planned versus Dunton announced on t GB this morning over
in Sydney, which was immediate effect petrol. It cuts to
petrol excise, right, I mean that's going to help people now.

(21:11):
Is that smarter than what Elbanezy did?

Speaker 16 (21:13):
Who knows? It depends? It depends. I mean we all
need fuel. It's going to save you fourteen bucks a
week now. Well, it may appeal to a lot of people,
and as he points out, Peter Dutton points out the
Prime Minister's tax cuts of about seventy cents a day
or something, it's not the biggest tax cut you've ever seen.

(21:34):
I mean put it this way, I mean they used
to say your tax cut was worth a cop of
coffee and a sandwich. Well, I mean that's not even
worth the salt bebby you put on the sanger for
goodness sake. So look, it depends how hard up people
are and people are hurting, There's no doubt about it.
The taxpayers will take home an extra five bucks a
week from next year under the Prime Minister's plan, and

(21:55):
the both sides are spending money we haven't got and
are very much unlike you to see if Donald Trump
pulls the Tara flever again.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Exactly, yeah, and you've got your deficits for the next
decade to worry about too.

Speaker 16 (22:06):
Don't even go there.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
God, Hey, this Australian. He's not going to care or
she's not going to care. I don't know who it
is at this point, but apparently won quite a lot
of money on an American reality show, is that right?

Speaker 16 (22:18):
Indeed, is a guy called David Genay or Gennett ge
Nat And look, I must confess I'm not familiar with
mister Gennett's work, but he's nicknamed the Golden God. I
had to look at him online. He's got biceps the
size of grapefruit and his pecks the size of bloody basketballs,
and he's been on this national television show in America

(22:39):
where he has won nearly ten million Australian dollars. It's
called something Where the hell is it here? In my
notes it's some island show where they're all locked away
and you've got to do stunts and whatnot. Anyway, he's
emerged as the winner. He's previously beat on these similar
shows here in Australia. Again, I can't report on his

(23:01):
expertise one bay or the other because I'd rather pluck
my eyes out than watch that stuff.

Speaker 9 (23:06):
But suffice to.

Speaker 16 (23:06):
Say, mister Gennett is just off to the bank with
a check. An amazing Gregory Peck for going on Telly
and basically shooting down everybody else. So well done him.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Apparently he's a model in Perth. There you go, and
ten million dollars is not to be scoffed at.

Speaker 16 (23:24):
No kidding.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Mary in the Tanning cell on boat Murray, thank you
for that. Murray Olds are Australia correspondent seventeen minutes away
from five. You're on News Talk to B Paul says Ryan,
can we not name and shame the insurance company over
this thing? We don't actually know because it's come from
a dispute service, so we don't actually know the name
of the insurance company. But I'll see if Laura has

(23:47):
the name, and then if she does, we'll just tettle,
just say it because her cares seventeen away from five.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Politics with centric credit. Check your customers and get payment certainty.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
You're on news talks. Here'd be hydrogen tru for sale.
Fifty ton hydrogen trucks. Get your hydrogen trucks. They are
only two of them apparently currently on the market. They've
announced in a big fancy press release today that these
are going on sale. Will tell you more about those
after five to two. How on earth do you How
long does it take to fill them up? Where do

(24:18):
you get it? How available is it? All that kind
of stuff? Barry Soap is here right now, Good afternoon, afternoon.

Speaker 9 (24:24):
Right.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
You like the sound of a hydrogen truck hard to
drive a truck period.

Speaker 7 (24:28):
Sounds like a bomb to me, you know, there you go.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
That's a good point now, Tamotha Paul, speaking of bombs,
this has gone down like a lead balloon.

Speaker 7 (24:38):
She's a bomb shell, yes, in Parliament at the moment. Honestly,
well she should be a shell because there's not a
lot of substance there. I've got to say it's interesting though.
Today in Parliament the Green sat silent as the Police
Minister was being questioned on the move that Tamatha Paul
said she would like is to see beat cops removed.

(25:01):
You remember the parties, she's the party spokeswoman on police.
She talked about the abolition of police, saying a heavier
presence of them on the beat makes people feel less safe.
God only knows where she got that from. The Wellington
Central mp also talked about police moving in on the
homeless and putting their belongings in the rubbish. While all

(25:24):
this was news to the Minister, Mark Mitchell, who told
Parliament today the voter should be aware of the statement
being made at the moment by the.

Speaker 18 (25:32):
Green they should be very worried about the prospect of
any government, including a party that entertains the abolition of
the police.

Speaker 19 (25:40):
Peters the Weather's had any submissions from the people in
the leafy suburbs of Candada, Kilbourne and Coori now in
Wellington Central. The latter's boundary change as to their opposition
to having police on the beat and properly policing their suburbs.

Speaker 18 (25:56):
I have not personally received one submission from anyone in
the country to say that they're not happy were seeing
our police officers highly visible.

Speaker 7 (26:04):
See and that proves my point that I was talking
about yesterday, how the boundary changes could affect Tamatha Paul
because she's taking in an area where people probably love
seeing police on the beat. Daala, Yeah, they're not dead
beats like they are in some parts of central Wellington.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Clearly, now the Green's scoring something of a night say
what you really think which, yeah, you're going to name
the subject in particular areas, the Green scored something of
an own goal again in the debating game.

Speaker 7 (26:37):
They were on their feat later, which is rather surprising.
Our old mate Ricardo Mendia's march. She was railing against
the sanctions being imposed on beneficiaries. That's the traffic light
system that sees their benefits reduced if they refuse to
look for work. Well Mendia's march, dressed in a leather jacket,
was firing questions at the Employment Minister Louise Upston, who

(26:59):
gave better than she got.

Speaker 15 (27:00):
Forty percent of benefit entitlements are not even assessed correctly.

Speaker 20 (27:05):
Well, I'm not sure that that figure is correct, but
what I will say is that some are overpaid and
that is equally a problem as if they are underpaid.

Speaker 19 (27:13):
Right, Honorable winstonpeeds on the principle that you don't get
a second chance to make a first impression. What chance
will the jobs she could have? They turned up for
the job wearing a leather jacket.

Speaker 17 (27:24):
I'm not sure unless it had a patch.

Speaker 21 (27:27):
I'm not sure that there's an answer to that unless
the Minister is aware of something that I'm not.

Speaker 20 (27:31):
What they wear is entirely needs to be appropriate for
the job they're applying for or in this case, the
job they've got.

Speaker 7 (27:40):
She was roudly applauded to that from the government benches
on my dad.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
That's funny. Now, Elon Musk the what the Elon Musk
of the beehive?

Speaker 7 (27:50):
She is, isn't she?

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Judith Colums? I mean, she's incredible.

Speaker 7 (27:53):
She came out today with the figures and which is
quite extraordinary because you.

Speaker 22 (27:58):
Know the.

Speaker 7 (28:00):
Basically consultants and contractors. She said that they would save
four hundred million in the first year on them. While
they're bettering that target they've saved. She says eight hundred
million will be by the end of June. So those
poor sods who are involved in pr in the capital
will be doing it pretty hard at the moment. But

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the Public Service Commission, they came out with data today
today showing that the workforce decreased by four percent, So
big numbers. You're looking at the public service now at
almost sixty three thousand. There were a couple of thousand
more than that before this government took offers, and that

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doesn't include police, teachers and the like. Well, Judith Collins,
she gave a pretty clear impression. I thought in Parliament
that the public service has in some areas been politicized.
Here she is defending the cuts to the public service.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Number.

Speaker 17 (28:58):
Expect the public service to get back to basics, sticking
to its core functions and delivering outcomes for the taxpayers
that we all serve. I also want to see core
principles of the public service maintained, like political neutrality, like
appointment on merits to all positions and professional competence.

Speaker 7 (29:19):
See that political neutrality thing is quite interesting, isn't it,
Because clearly this government felt under siege. I think in
the first year that it took offers that they were
being undermined by the public service, and I think to
a large extent they were. That public servants were leaking
like sieves to the media and anything negative about the
government was being picked up and really used in a

(29:43):
way to try and discredit the government. That you know,
the public service was bloated, there's no doubt about that.
But then normally when you cut back, you take on
more consultants. Well, that's not going to be.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
The case, and it's not the numbers bear that out
do colins to beyond the shaft five and ask her
about that. But just on the public service neutrality, I
was talking to a public servant out of the day
who said when the treaty protests were happening down in Wellington,
of course a lot of these public servants went and
took part during the during worktime and then went back
to the office and they were still wearing their getting

(30:15):
shues with the T shirts and the branding and everything.
So you can't do that, No, you can't service.

Speaker 7 (30:21):
No, you can't.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
And it doesn't matter whether you're supporting a COVID nineteen
anti VAXX thing or a treaty thing. You can't do that.

Speaker 7 (30:29):
Well, you meant to be impartial, you meant to be
a servant of the public and the public without political persuasion.
But you know, I think we've seen that line being
crossed quite a bit lately.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, News TALKSB thanks to your
time this afternoon, as always eight minutes away from five.
We will have Judith Collins after five on those numbers
and the number of people still working in the public service. Remember,
it was forty nine thousand before COVID, before labor it
was forty nine thousand. It's still now up over sixty

(31:00):
So do they need to bring it down further?

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Putting the time questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
More new law for courts and sentencing.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
So the Sentencing Reform Amendment Bill that passed its third reading.
Law Association VP Julienkin Cage back, weill this now you submitted,
Did they listen to you?

Speaker 13 (31:15):
This is a.

Speaker 23 (31:16):
Wonderful example of democracy and action. I think there are
a lot of people who submitted at the select committee
stage expressing very similar concerns, and they seem to have
been reflected in the changes that took place after that
Select Committee stage. One of the ideas was is forty
percent and that has been softened and it has been
now allowing four examples, specifically for examples where people provide

(31:38):
information which prevents further serious crime taking place.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Back tomorrow at six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Rain Driver the last News Talk.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
ZB four minutes away from five on News Talk ZB.
You thought the crusher Collins was brutal and slashing and
burning the consultant spend. Look over at the UK at
the secret slasher, burner, cutter of spending. And Rachel Reeves,
the Chancellor of the Exchequer. She's a labor you know,
holds the labor perse strings and she has just delivered

(32:08):
her and we told you this yesterday. She was going
to do her spring speech and she has delivered some
pretty significant cuts to beneficiaries. So she's being accused of
balancing the box on the back of the UK's poorest beneficiaries.
Some three million households could lose seventeen hundred pounds a
year in benefits as a result of the changes that

(32:29):
she out London the speech. So we'll talk to Andon
Brady about all of that before seven o'clock and we
will talk to the og slasher Berner Judith Collins after
five news talks MB.

Speaker 17 (33:01):
Today.

Speaker 8 (33:03):
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Speaker 3 (33:10):
It is beautiful, says it.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Oh, questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust
for the full picture. Brian Bridge on hither duplicy allan
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
They'd be good evening. It's five oh seven News talks.
They'd be great to have your company this evening. The
government's almost doubling its targets for cuts to consultants and
contract to costs. Remember during the election this was a
big deal for national Public Service. Minister Judith Collins has
come out today and said they're on track to save
eight hundred million dollars over two years instead of four

(33:48):
hundred Ministers with me now, good evening.

Speaker 17 (33:51):
Oh, good evening, Ryan, So.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
How do you manage to double your cuts?

Speaker 17 (33:55):
Well, I think it's just very clear messages that Nichola
Wallis has given and now me as the minister, that
we need the public service doing the work that it's
paid to do and not asking consultants in contracts to
do that work. At the same time understanding if there's
a specialist area that makes sense to use it. But

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this is eight hundred million dollars of tax payer money
that's now being saved. So that's pretty much it's very
clear message.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Are there more full time public servants doing the work
of the consultants that otherwise would have been found out?

Speaker 17 (34:32):
Well, no, because the numbers have actually dropped by about
four percent. So what's clearly working is more let's say,
more productivity I expect if it's a four percent drop
in the core public service, which are basically your your bureaucracy,
not your nurses and doctors and police officers, and that
so quite clearly people are working better, but more people

(34:57):
focused I think on delivering better results taxpayers.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I think people will be surprised to hear that it's
only down four percent. You know, December twenty three we
had sixty five thousand. We're still at sixty two thousand.
Pre COVID, pre labor, we had forty nine thousand. You
guys said we were going to cut right back. They bloated.
I mean, we're still bloated, aren't we.

Speaker 24 (35:17):
Well.

Speaker 17 (35:17):
I I certainly think that there is still a lot
of room for improvement. And so one of the things
that we're going to be doing is changing the Public
Service Act because that requires public servants and the chief
executives to be involved in all sorts of things. They
have nothing to do with delivering for the New Zealand taxpayers.
So we're bringing everything back to basics. You're going to

(35:38):
see more changes.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
So like, what what are they doing that's not basic?

Speaker 17 (35:44):
Well, I think what we've seen is reporting on everything, feeling,
all the sort of well being stuff. You know, just
get back to the basics, do the job well.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
So you'll make changes to the Public Service Act. You'll
cut out the nonsense, the well being stuff, and that
will mean you can let guards some more staff.

Speaker 17 (36:03):
Yeah. So I think it's really important though that when
you've got the staff working and try and do their best,
that we help them to do that. One of the
things is to get all the stuff out of the
way they don't need to be doing and just keep
them focused.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
But are you happy with sixty two, nine hundred and
sixty eight core public servants.

Speaker 17 (36:24):
Well, I think that looks like a ridiculous number compared
to what it was six years before National came back
and when you look at those increases, you'd have to say,
and what fanue for money? Is the taxpayer getting for it?
And I think that's why every agency is being told
you have your budget, you need to live with it,
and if you can deliver savings, that looks very good

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for you and your future.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
So do you like the number or not?

Speaker 17 (36:51):
No, I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
What should it be to me?

Speaker 17 (36:54):
Well, I think it should be far closer to where
it was, but.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Which is forty nine thou so you've got to be
really close to that. You've got to get rid of
another twelve thirteen thousand people public service.

Speaker 17 (37:05):
Well, I think you look and see what is it
people are doing. Is it something that's worthwhile? Is it
going to add value for the taxpayer? If it's not,
why are we doing it? So these are some of
the very tough questions that we're putting to chief executives,
and you're going to see that. One of the things
they've said to us is that the Public Service Act,
which was changed in twenty twenty under the durn government,

(37:30):
that needs to change because it's added all this extra
complexity onto the public servants jobs and they need to
get that.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
So we're going when we're getting that, are you.

Speaker 17 (37:40):
Going to start seeing that coming through pretty soon? We've
got papers going to through the cabinet process, and you're
going to find that things are going to change, and
they're going to change the better. I reckon a lot
of public servants are going to say thank you very
much for making their job more efficient and effective.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
All right, hey minister, do you signal I do?

Speaker 17 (38:00):
Indeed?

Speaker 3 (38:00):
What do you use it for?

Speaker 17 (38:03):
Things like here's a photo, or here's a good story,
or here's something else. So it's basically communications. But what
we don't use it for is anything that's secure or restricted.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
What do you use? Because they've got all sorts of
fancy equipment over in the US do we I mean,
if you go overseas on a trip to China or whatever,
do you get special equipment? What do you use?

Speaker 17 (38:24):
Well, if we go into places where we need to
be particularly aware of our our security of telephones and
enophones is that we normally would use burner phones, So
we generally don't take anything that is restricted in any.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Way with us.

Speaker 17 (38:45):
We just can't do that.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Then you just throw them in the bin. What do
you do with them?

Speaker 17 (38:50):
Or we give them back? To the agency that gave
them to us in the first place. So we do
lots of things like that. That's pretty standard for ministers.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
All right, Minster, thank you very much for your time.
Sounds like you might need a glass of water after that. One,
really appreciate it. Just gone telve after five rich chelsian
Z's released a big review of its care over the
past decade. Some stuff's better, patient fools are better, infection's better,
patient mortality. They've improved on that. But more people are
waiting for longer than four months to see a specialist.

(39:22):
Richard Sullivan's Health end Z Chief Clinical Officeries with me. Now, Hi, hello, Ran, Yeah, good,
thank you. So let's get straight into this. One of
the numbers. So one of the numbers here is a
specialist assessment wait times. People are waiting more than four months,
and that number is four times the number that we're
waiting pre COVID February twenty twenty. Is this all down

(39:45):
to COVID?

Speaker 25 (39:45):
A lot of this, Ryan, that's right. You know, the
time for a patient to be seen by a hostile
specialist has increased significantly and COVID played a part in that.
We saw that grow post COVID, but we saw it
grow even further. We've had a real focus on this area,
we started to see the numbers stabilized. We've seen a

(40:06):
small improvement, but we've got a long way to go.
This is one of the health targets reaching ninety five percent.
We're currently sitting at around sixty so we've got a
big focus on im breving that.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
How long does it take you? So we're at sixty
percent of where we should be, we need to get
to ninety five How long does that take?

Speaker 25 (40:24):
Look there there are tens of thousands, if not you know,
close to over one hundred thousand people on that list,
So that is going to take us some time because
we need to continue to see those people being will
fit in as well as get people off the list.
So we're having a real focus on those patients who
are waking beyond one hundred and twenty days. We equally
a really important focus on those who have the greatest
clinical need. So this is going to take us many

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years to bring ourselves to ninety five percent. We have
a plan in place with a key targets within that
that we need to meet so we can get back
on back.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
And do you know how many years, how many years
before we get to know.

Speaker 25 (41:01):
Look, we've got a twenty thirty target. That's you know,
that's sort of five six, five years away. That's a
long time, but that is there is a real, you know,
bottle to get ourselves to that place.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
All right, Really appreciate your time this afternoon from Healthy
en Z the head I clinical lead Richard Sullivan on
the phone. Just gone quarter past five News Talk ZB
Still they're still debating the stadium at Auckland Council. By
the way, if you're just joining us, we've been on
stadium watch, so you'll remember we told you the other
day the council is yet to decide whether they're going

(41:35):
to go with the eden Park option or go with
this the waterfront option. We'll have an update for you
after the break, and we'll also talk to a lawyer
about this man who had just a couple of beers,
just a couple of casual beers, jumped in his car,
had a bit of a praying and his insurance wouldn't
pay out, not because he was drunk, but just because
he had touched alcohol. So what are your rights when

(41:58):
it comes to insurance company and drinking boots quarter past
five five eighteen News Talk said be Eden Park or
the waterfront. These are the options that all con councils
weighing up at the moment over the new stadium, the
new National Stadium, and they are still deciding. They've extended
their meeting beyond I think it was meant to finish
it four. It's now meant to finish around six o'clock.
So something happens, we'll let you know. But this is

(42:20):
Josephine Bartley, she's all con counselors. She's worried about and
by the way, in Park is the easy option for
them because it shoves one hundred million dollars of cost
onto the rest of the country in taxpayers. Anyway, here's
Josephin Bartley. She's worried about the cost to rate payers
from paying for the rest of Eden Park. Two point one.

Speaker 17 (42:40):
Why would the government seek our endorsement?

Speaker 19 (42:43):
Is it?

Speaker 17 (42:44):
Could it end up being we say, yes, we endorse
this Eden Park, and then the government says, well, because
you guys endorsed it, you should pay something.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Ryan Britch should point. I suppose now a man goes
to the bar, has a few drinks, comes out prings
another car and then tries to claim insurance. He's only
had two beers. His insurance claim has declined on the
basis that he was under the influence of alcohol. Now,
the claim was initially declined because he was under the influence,

(43:13):
but was he appeared He says, I just had two beers,
was hardly inebriated, and he volunteered this to the insurance company.
By the way, went to a dispute and he won,
so in the end the insurance did have to pay.
But how many people are missing out on unjust claim rejections.
Barrister Chris Patterson with US tonight. Hi Chris, Hey, Hi Ryan.

(43:36):
First of all, what's the deal with booze and insurance?

Speaker 9 (43:39):
Okay, so this is all about the wording and the
insurance policy. You know, if you're someone who reads the
insurance policy, there's good. If you're someone who doesn't, then
you take a little bit of a risk. The insurance
policy says no booze, and you've been drinking booze, you're
avoiding your policy and they can decline cover. If your

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policy says that you can't be impaired, then the owner
sits on the insurance company. They've got to prove if
they're going to decline a claim that a couple of
beers made you an impaired driver. Easy if they've got
a breath test because you've been pulled over and you're
over the limit. Not so easy if you just say
you've had a couple of beers during the course of

(44:21):
an afternoon and his tolerance levels pretty high.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Can they make you do a brief test or some
kind of test? I guess it would depend on when
you report the accident, wouldn't it.

Speaker 9 (44:32):
Yeah, Look, they can't make you do the test, and
you're right, it's going to depend on when you report
the accent. I mean, if you're reporting it several days later,
it's probably not going to be particularly relevant. But they
can't make you do a test. But usually it's all circumstances.
So in the case that the story is about, they
managed to get the insured bank account details and saw

(44:55):
how many beers he was buying at the bar, and
there was a dispute about how many bears he actually drank.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Hey, what about the general rules here or lesson here
for the rest of us. Should we should you always
fight if you get rejected from an insurance come should
you always fight. I mean, how often do people actually
win this stuff?

Speaker 9 (45:14):
Yeah? Well, look, I think the starting point is, you know,
do you feel like you've been wronged. If you've been wronged,
then yeah, it's worth taking insurance company on. If you
know that the insurance companies on good grounds, because the
grounds they gave you a fear and you accept them,
probably not worth taking them on over it. So each case,

(45:37):
dearby cappy case, All right, Chris.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Well, I just basically won't drink and drives. That's the
moral of the story, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (45:45):
Look that's the easy one. The other moral of the
story is, know what the exclusions are in your insurance policy.
If if drinking any boozeres it will exclude liability, don't
drink anything at all. If it's if it's an impairment,
then yeah, you are.

Speaker 26 (46:02):
Taking a risk.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Yeah. Appreciate your time, Chris, Thanks so much. Chris Patterson,
barrister working in insurance disputes. Time is twenty two minutes
after five.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
This is a news talk edb developing story.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
And breaking news this evening. Auckland Council has voted to
endorse Eden Park as the city's main stadium at favored
the park over the new side at Key Park near
Auckland's waterfront. This after hours of discussing that today's governing
body meeting. The final vote was carried seventeen to two
against with one abstension. That's pretty overwhelming for Eden Park

(46:36):
two point one. Nick Sautner, who's the CEO, will be
very happy with that. We'll speak to him a little
later in the program. You're on News TALKSB twenty three
after five.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Informed inside into today's issues. It's Ryan Bridge on hither
dupericy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
News Talks EDB. Good evening, it is twenty five after five.
Great to have your company. We are the shape the
isles here in New Zealand and we've been reminded of
that this week Heaven. We we've had the earthquake down
and off the coast of south Land. We've had the
volcanic activity White Island. Again it's been all go. And
also just for good measure. Over in the EU at

(47:15):
the moment, they are releasing their first be Prepared Strategy
for disaster. This is for disasters, you know, natural disasters,
but also military attack etc. And they say you need
seventy two hours of self sufficiency. Basically you're on your
own for seventy two hours. And I thought, I wonder
what ours? I mean, I know the general guidelines for

(47:36):
being prepared in New Zealand, but what does our government
actually tell us about being prepared? So we have get
Ready dot gov dot NZ. You go along there. There's
a lot of stuff. I mean, you really need to
think about this heart. So many places that you could
be when so many bad things could happen to you,

(47:57):
so many things could go wrong, you know when doomseday strikes?
Will you be in your car? Will you be in
your house? Will you be at work? So this is
what they tell you you need and where you need it.
At your home. You need nine liters of water per
person in your household. Do you have that amount sitting
around in the garage? No, you don't. You need long
lasting food items. And it also mentions here don't forget

(48:20):
your pets, which I can understand, but it also says
don't forget your babies. Who forgets their baby toilet paper?
You need working gloves and a mask in case you
need to start doing some cleanup after a natural disaster.
You also need separately to this a grab bag with shoes,
warm clothes, a raincoat, a hat, water snacks, hand sanitizer,

(48:43):
a charger, cash, copies of all of your identification. And
then in your car you need separately a brush, a shovel,
tire chains, windshelled scrapers and warm clothing. I haven't even
got to what you need at your workplace yet. I mean,
is this a little over preeping for people at this point?

(49:05):
If you know, if there's a tidal wave coming, I
think I would just give up. I would, I would
just give up. Twenty eight after five Bryan Bridge News
Talks EB. We're going to talk to after six o'clock.
We mentioned earlier in the show about the land use
changes that Chris Bishop's pushing through. We'll talk to a
lawyer about those coming up after sixth and we'll get

(49:25):
to hopefully Nick Suton from Eden Park be a happy
man after that vote from Auckland Council. You're on news
Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Sound on the iHeart app and in your car on

(50:07):
your drive home, it's Ryan Bridge on Heather Duplessy allan
drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected News Talk
sa'd boding.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Is twenty four minutes away from sex zeron news Talk said,
b eden Park is the got the votes from organ
council this evening. If you're just joining us, as happened
in the last fifteen minutes, lots of people are texting
in about the stadium and there's a lot of interest
in it. And it's not just from people who are
in Aukland, it's and people all over the country. Because
the ed Park two point one means that we'll all

(50:46):
taxpayers have to throw in a hundred million dollars. Ryan,
the stadium better have a roof for that price. Ryan.
The seats that a lot of people asking about the seats.
Are they going to be soft or will be stuck
with the hard ones? These are the important questions and
we're going to put them right now at twenty three
minutes away from six to Nick Sautner, who's the chief

(51:07):
endicative at eden Park Net.

Speaker 27 (51:09):
Good evening, Good evening, Ryan, and thanks to your time.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
How are you feeling about the vote.

Speaker 27 (51:14):
Well, I've had a number of staff they can't take
the smile of their face. You can imagine that there's
been over two years of work this process started. Who
was going to take three months. It's been two years.
We've invested over a million dollars in our business case,
our planning associated with it, but also during that time
delivered some more memorable moments for our national stadium.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Do you think this actually settles the debate because we've
been here, you know, we've been to places like this before,
amn't we.

Speaker 27 (51:43):
Well, it's one of those things that I've worked in
stadium economics and stadium management for twenty five years and
everyone has an opinion. You can only look across the
ditch at Brisbane and we had a premier of the
state go to an election saying he wasn't going to
build a stadium, and two days ago here now it's
building a four billion dollar stadium Olympics. So there's always
going to be emotion associated with it. But that's one

(52:04):
of the things that we harnets here. We've had one
hundred and twenty five years of history and tradition, We've
had some of New Zealand's most memorable sporting moments. Now
with our entertainment content and this decision today, it is
a special day in our history. It's taken seven years
of work with a number of the councilors who supported
Edinpark today when we approach them for funding. During Phil

(52:28):
Goss when he was Mayor of Auckland, they didn't support it.
They have now changed their perception. We put forward a
case around a staged approach and it was unanimously supported Nick.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
But just because they've supported in back Eden Park two
point one doesn't mean that they have said how much
they might support you financially right. In fact, that was
one of the problems they counsel staff had earlier in
the week. So can you tell us exactly how much
you want from council and how much you want from government.

Speaker 27 (52:57):
So one of the conversations Priye, one of the agenda
items prior to the conversation around the stadium was about
an investment strategy across the network. Currently Mount Smart and
then Western Springs and North Harbor Stadium get significant funding
from Auckland Council and the conversation and that agenda item
talked about looking at it at a strategic level across

(53:19):
the assets in the city and what's best for the city.
And we look forward and welcome the opportunity to talk
with council around where they could best invest that money.
Noting the Sarah opens next year, will be seven minutes
from town. We are a hybrid multi persse shown next week.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
But how much do you want?

Speaker 27 (53:38):
So in the first stage of one hundred and ten million,
we are able to demonstrate in the business case with
the pipeline of content, whether it be the Indian Cricket
Series in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Now no, I get all that, But is that a
one off one hundred and ten million or is that
that's correct?

Speaker 27 (53:51):
That's great? One on the further stages that we're put
forward would be funded by a private public partnership and
the but we need the foundations and the Stage one
guarantees that as cricket and rugby.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Cricket and rugby. So that's what we're getting for one
hundred and ten million. In terms of what we will
actually see when we go to the stadium for one
hundred and ten million dollars the initial stage, what will
it look like.

Speaker 27 (54:15):
That's different, It'll be transformational. The north stand will have
a retractable stand that will bring you within twelve meters
of the rugby field and will extend out the boundary
for cricket to seventy four meters, So it then becomes
both Test Match compliant and short book short form cricket.
So it's a hybrid, multi purpose solution for a country

(54:37):
of five million people and a city of one point
seven million people. That doesn't necessarily mean that those facilities
won't then be adopted. And increasing the capacity for concerts
to seventy thousand, that is a game changer for us
in terms of competing against venues on the East Coast
of Australia when we're looking to attract the likes of
each Year and or Taylor Swift or indeed the artists

(54:57):
that we've had in the last three years.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Nick, I appreciate your time. I know you and your
team will be very happy with that result. I appreciate
you coming on the program. Nix saughtn know who's the
tech executive at Eden Park. It is nineteen away from
six the Huddle with.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
New Zealand Southeby's International real Z find you are one
of a kind.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Tim Wilson from the Maximum Institutes on the huddle tonight.
Hey Tim, good afternoon, welcome back. Good to have you back.
And Craig Rennie is here as well, Chief economist at
the c TOU the Council of Trade Union's Craig, good
evening to you. Thanks having me on. Great to have
you on. Can I just quickly get your reaction to
both of you to the fact that Auckland councils voted
for Eden Park two point one. I mean it doesn't

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mean anything, like Tim, does it mean anything because you
know they have no one's putting any money in that they.

Speaker 13 (55:44):
Yeah, yeah, and that's where you know the money will
explain just how much this is actually meaningful. But I
just want to push back against people complaining about the
seats at eden Park. You don't go to eden Park
to sit down. You get within a meter and a
half of the stage and your rock out. If you're
going to do something else, just go home.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Well, but what if you're watching cricket, because we know
cricket can go on and on and on.

Speaker 13 (56:08):
Anyway, you just started speaking other language.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Ryan, Sorry Craig, Craig, what about you? I mean, from
a from a funding point of view, it's a lot
of money and you've got government doing phase one and
then you've got a PPP doing Phase two and three.

Speaker 22 (56:23):
And that's the real question is whether or not in
the PPP will be asked to put back even more
money in the future, and with there any real guarantees
for that, and who fundamentally is going to pay it,
because if you're going to pay it, because the ticket
prices start to rise, because we have to pay for
the venue, it starts to become uneconomic really quickly. So,
as Tim has said, the proof will be in the
pudding and whether or not we can bring the pipeline

(56:44):
of events and guests and things to really pay for
the program that's actually been put up there.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (56:49):
Actually ticket price is pretty expensive already, Chris Stapleton. Five
hundred bucks to stand.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Up, really to stand up, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (56:58):
To stand on the Yeah, not even sitting down.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Ga, yeah ga, you know, sloshing in the mosophat that
is a lot of money. Tim and Craig will be
back in just a moment on the huddle, the huddle with.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
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Speaker 3 (57:25):
Fourteen away from sixties took said be Tim Wilson and
Craig Rinne on the huddle. This is what's his name? Stapleton?
Chris Stapleton who Tim you said played at Eden Park.
Apparently he was at.

Speaker 13 (57:37):
Spark You said that explicitly. I just said ticket prices
were high. Do you think I could run for Do
you think I could run for something?

Speaker 22 (57:44):
Here?

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Donald Trump, you could run for anything. Someone also says
Bollocks telled him it's two hundred and fifty five for
Chris Stapleton. I was standing. But that doesn't mean that
also doesn't mean that you're wrong, because there could have
been different prices, you know what I mean, depending on
when you bought them.

Speaker 13 (58:02):
So I think just keep telling me off right, it
was two fifty. It was two fifty for Luke Comb
standing up.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
But Eden Park, Yeah, that was was a good gig. Though. Hey, hey,
I've had a couple of texts just in the last
minute saying for actually like a lot, saying you didn't
ask about the roof on the stadium. So just to
clarify the roof. So stage one is your seating for
Eden Park, Stage two is your accommodation. Stage three is

(58:31):
your roof. So you've got to get the PPP to
get your roof. That's the deal, now, Tamatha, Paul Craig's
your what's your feeling? I mean, obviously Hopkins feels like
this is just toxic. So he's running a country mile
from her putting the boot in. What's your feeling about
how it might affect the vote on the left.

Speaker 22 (58:52):
I don't think it's going to affect the Green vault
anytime soon. I mean, it's clearly bringing some really unfortunate
news and publicity for the Green Park, but I don't
think in the long run it's going to make any
real meaningful difference to the Green Party vote. And I
don't think anyone, including Tamatha, is really suggesting that we're
really going to start defunding the police. This is being

(59:14):
used by the government essentially to help, you know, look
away from a lot of the challenges that they have
in this space, because they like to talk a great
game about law and order. You know, they've promised five
hundred more police at the election and we're currently minus
seventy one on that scale. So they've got a really,
really difficult set of challenges in that space, and this
has just been seized by them as just a as

(59:35):
a means of distracting attention from a whole bunch of
statistics that they don't really want to talk about in
crime right now.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Tim, then, how do you explain Chris Hipkins response I mean,
is he trying to distract from something too.

Speaker 13 (59:48):
Yeah. Look, I think I think it shows the sort
of labor issue, which is how do you be a
centrass party. So yeah, I think Craig is absolutely right
about the Greens, particularly the non mainstream aspect. And if
you think about you go back to what was it
late last year Mpak Green and Pea Kahay Carta was
saying in the House that most people would feel more

(01:00:10):
comfortable alone with the patch gang member than police. So
I think ten of the Paul's comments on that spectrum
they're actually pretty benign. I think it does highlight though,
an issue where Okay, so Chris Hopkins is now sort
of on song with the government in essence, and it
might present some issues when Craig apparently is going to

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run for the Wellington Central seat as predicted by Audrey Young.

Speaker 26 (01:00:36):
Could you clarify that Craig, I.

Speaker 22 (01:00:38):
Can clarify Audrey is entitled to her opinion in that space.

Speaker 13 (01:00:44):
But I'm here, is this an announcement?

Speaker 22 (01:00:48):
It is definitely not an announcement. What I would say
is that you know, of course, the of course Chris
Hippins is going to support the police in their space,
and I think that labor parties ever not supported the
police in the space. And you know there were regular
increases to police funding and regular support for the police
during the last government. So I don't think you know,
Chris is seeing anything other than you would have said

(01:01:09):
if he was Prime Minister, or if he was said
anywhere else. It's a really unfortunate statement. It's just being
dragged and used for a different purpose.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Now, Craig, we were going to get to this, but
soon as you didn't quite answer the question would you
rule out running for Wellington Central? I mean, it's this
total bogus.

Speaker 22 (01:01:27):
I'm not ruling running out for anywhere, were ruling in
running from anywhere. There's there's what there's eighteen months to
an election long now, it's it's it's five hundred and
eighty one days from memory.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
And if you know it that accurately, you are differently running.

Speaker 22 (01:01:46):
I know it that accurately because we have to spend
every day campaigning between now and then in order to
make sure people know what this government's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Come on, all right, let's move on. Judith Collins, she
actually this would be up your early two but Tim
Judith Collins was on the show tonight saying the consultant
spend is coming right down, but she's saying brace for
impact because we're going to do something about the number
of public servants. They're not the texts and doctors, but
bureaucracy as well. Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:02:17):
Yeah, And look because at the moment it's been a
wound back to the levels that were six months before
the last election. So the public service size at the
moment is about the same time or about the same
levels as when Jacinda Deurn was Prime Minister. So there's
clearly work to be done. Just to note that eight
hundred pud me million dollars that was saved will service

(01:02:39):
a month and a week of debt servicing for the
government debts. So let's let's says that's pretty good going.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
That's a lot of money, isn't it. And I mean
it's not just our government, to be fair, Governments all
over the world post COVID are dealing with a huge
increase in servicing costs because of the money that we've borrowed.
But that is something to behold. One month and one
week will get you the eight hundred million dollars. Craig,
what do you make of the Judith Collins saying she's
going to basically do some more cutting.

Speaker 22 (01:03:09):
Well, it's not surprising because they haven't been able to
make any of their accounts add up. You know, during
the election campaign we said that they couldn't afford the
tax promises that they had made at the time, and
lo and behold, they borrowed more money at the budget
in order to pay for the taxes that they'd promised
to deliver.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
So they're going to keep cutting.

Speaker 22 (01:03:26):
The budget policy statement from the government said that they
were going to keep cutting. The heat thing for me
is you say you're going to get rid of eight
hundred million dollars of consultants. Fine, does that mean that
you're expecting public servants to do that work, or does
that mean you're not doing work who's doing the work
of government? Or are you just trying to do less?
And we know there are no shortage of problems. So

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the real question is where are the consultants coming from.
Are they coming from the building of units of housing,
of infrastructure the kinds of things we want to see,
or are they coming from somewhere else?

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
And Judith's been.

Speaker 22 (01:03:58):
A bit quiet by actually where those consultants are coming
from and importantly what those servings are being used for,
because right now they're being used to deliver the tax
cuts that were delivered at the last budget. They're going
to have to keep cutting at the next budget if
they want to deliver more tax cuts as they look
they seem to want to do on May twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Second, Craig, it's a well polished it's a well polished
pitch for the Wellington Central voters. I have to say,
well done.

Speaker 13 (01:04:26):
The question, the question with the public services is a
bigger public services, a better public service, and that's the
other question that we need to engage with absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Tim, thank you very much for coming on. Tim Wilson,
Maxim Institute, and to you Craig as well. Craig an
e chief economists at the Counselor Trade Unions and of
course soon to be laboring peak well labor candidate. Let's
not give them that yet. Seven away from six it's.

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News Talks it B. It is four minutes away from six.
Lots more to come up. Six we'll look at with
Joeanna King, who's an RMA lawyer will look at the
land use changes that Chris Bishop has been peddling over
the last twenty four hours. What exactly does it mean?
It's the big it's the age old debate. It's do
you build more houses or do you have land to
grow food so we can eat? Do you want shelter?

(01:05:18):
Do you want food? What do you want? News talks
there be that's after six lots of texts on Eden Park.
Ryan Patrick from Gisbon here we went down this path
pre Rugby World Cup. If the stadium is not waterfront,
then the rest of New Zealand taxpayers shouldn't be contributing
to an Auckland decision. I don't know what the waterfunt
thing's got to do with it. I think what you

(01:05:39):
mean is why would taxpayers put in one hundred million
dollars for eden Park? Well, we put in taxpayers put
in money for Takaha, the new stadium in christ Itch.
So I guess you've got to give a little love everywhere,
don't you. Does at Auckland deserve a little bit of love?
Someone says here, at least you could have played a

(01:06:00):
little more of Chris's song, Chris Stableton's song to remind
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Speaker 27 (01:06:42):
Tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Liam dan is with us shortly on the auto industry
tariff start of the United States. Politicians are swarming on
Kirwee in the South Island for South Island Field Days
and Rachel Reeves, the lovely Labor Chancellor with a thatcher heart,
will talk to who's that corresponding out of the UK?
Then the Brady tonight he's out of the UK for us.

(01:07:02):
He's given her speech to the House of Commons and yeah,
that's cause quite a stir right now. As I mentioned
at the start of the show, the Housing Minister is
going to open up a whole swath of New Zealand
land for housing developments. Basically, what the argument is, we
can only do so much with our food. We need
places to live. All the land in New Zealand is

(01:07:23):
rated on an eight point scale. One is the best,
eight is rubbish At the moment. You can build on one,
you sorry can't build on one, two or three, as
that land is considered two good for growing things on.
Chris Bishop is going to leave one and two alone,
but he's keen to allow some building on three, which

(01:07:43):
is significant because three makes up two thirds of all
of this land. Johannah King is the RMA lawyer, senior
Associate at Taverndale and Partners, and she's with me too.
Took us through the detail of this tonight. Johannah, good evening,
Good evening, Ryan, you good, thank you. I heard you've
been at Field days. How's it been we have.

Speaker 28 (01:08:04):
It's been great out here actually though the rain's just
crept in, so we've timed it right nice.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
I'm glad you had a good day. Tell us about
the land that the minister's referring to here. How much
are we talking about? How significant is this?

Speaker 14 (01:08:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 28 (01:08:19):
These Class three soils that there are in quite a
few places actually, Ryan, So I mean places like south
of Pookakoi. We've got the wided upper Manowitou, Thames, places
like Wayuku, also a lot in the South Island with
mid Cantabrian ash Burton, Blenham and Southland. You mentioned some
figures before and I don't doubt that those are on

(01:08:41):
the money. So there's a lot of land here, but
it is those Class three soils you were talking about.
So we've still got some decent, some good land to
do with farming, but it's all it's all potentially coming
up for up for grabs.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
That's the thing. So the minister has said not that
we'll throw the baby out with the bath water. He's
coming up with this new idea of special agricultural zones
which are going to consult on. So if the land,
if some of this land is all together, you know,
and we're talking you mentioned Pokakoe or hot A Fenawa,
this agricultural land is altogether, then that would get a

(01:09:16):
special protection. But could this potentially benefit farmers who have
just a little bit of Level three land and they
want to build on it and at the moment they can't.
Is that a potential here?

Speaker 28 (01:09:31):
Yes, I think that is a potential. Ryan We're actually
seeing a fair bit of that here in Kenterbury. Where
you might have farmers who have some Class one, two
and three across farm and they can't currently say, subdivide
a piece off for mum and dad to retire onto
or something like that. So there have been some outcomes
that have been quite difficult to reconcile with what our

(01:09:52):
farmers need and want down here. But certainly, yeah, we're
seeing we would see that change in future if this
all comes through those agricultural protection areas. It will be
good to see that consultation go ahead because there could
well be some good areas that do afford that protection
with Class three to be bundled together with existing Class
one and two, So it will be good to see

(01:10:13):
that process play out.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Is there a risk we could build right on top
of productive soil that would be better used for growing something.

Speaker 28 (01:10:22):
Oh, look, that's the golden question, isn't it. I think
that's always a risk Brian. Once we have land that
goes into lifestyle blocks or into residential housing, it's virtually
impossible to revert back into land grower for growing use.
So there's always a cost benefit analysis to be done.
But in saying that also we've got to remember there's

(01:10:44):
a lot of innovation happening in the primary sector. There's
also a lot of farmers doing a lot more with
Class four soils as well, so we could see that
we maximize more with what we have, things like vertical
gardening and all that sort of thing could become could
be got as good salve on all this as well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Yeah, I was going to meet well, I didn't want
to mention it because people don't like the idea, but
vertical gut. I mean, we may not even need any
any level one, two or three soil.

Speaker 28 (01:11:15):
It's a tricky one, isn't it. But I think we've
got to have a lot of levers to pull and
certain sort of options, and I think the more innovation
that happens, the more options.

Speaker 17 (01:11:24):
We will have.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Nice one, Johannah. I'm going and enjoy the rest of
your rainy field days. We appreciate you being with us.

Speaker 17 (01:11:31):
Thanks very much, Ryan.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Johannah King, who's the rm A lawyer senior associate at
Taverndale and Partners, knows a thing or two about what
is quite a complex, complicated part of the law. It's
twelve minutes after six on news Talks thereb these tariffs.
Will talk to Lim Dan about them next so Trump
comes out and if you want to buy a Toyota
rav four or a Honda Civic in America, it's going
to cost you more because they are imported from Canada.

(01:11:55):
How much more we'll find out with Lim Dan.

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us A Donald Trump announcing today twenty five percent tariffs
on global car imports that includes car parks. This is
ahead of the car parks. I should say this ahead
of April second, when he's announcing all the reciprocal tariffs
them Dan the Herald's business editor at large. Liam Good evening, Gooday, Ryan,
Good to have you back. Ye now, ye yes, when you're.

Speaker 29 (01:13:42):
Going to hear a lot about this in the next
few days, I guess as markets especially start to sort
of get excited about April second, which I guess is Wednesday,
but maybe maybe Thursday morning. We'll find out in He's Zeeland,
exactly what we've copped and what the world has copped
in terms of this this tariff policy, which has been

(01:14:03):
flip blobbing around for a few months. So be nice
to get some certainty.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
I suppose it will, but there was some reprieve yesterday
when the administration seemed to indicate they might pull back
a little bit on on on the extent of them.

Speaker 29 (01:14:17):
Yeah, and which you know makes you think you'd be
pretty brave to bet on it being the final word
next week, because it seems to be that depending on
what's happening with markets and what's happening with the US economy,
it can be a moving feast. But you know, they've
said this is the date they've had a look at
it all. They're looking at reciprocal tariffs, which thankfully New

(01:14:37):
Zealand doesn't have a lot of tariffs on on its
goods on imports these days, so you know, the hope
is that we're not directly in the firing line. But yeah,
just just some certainty.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
I mean, at some.

Speaker 29 (01:14:51):
Point that you know that the markets can cope, they'll
price it in and they'll get.

Speaker 30 (01:14:57):
On with things.

Speaker 29 (01:14:58):
But at the moment, you know, the which being done
to yourkey we saver account, and the sort of ups
and downs of Wall Street every morning in New Zealand,
you know, really causing a fair bit of global turmoil,
i'd say, for the you know, for the global economy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
And even not just the shear markers, but also just
to pause on investment as well. What about these car
terraffs specifically. I thought it was interesting today reading that
the share market responded by and this is the stocks
and American car manufacturers were actually down off the back
of this. You would have thought it would be the

(01:15:35):
other way around. What's going on here.

Speaker 29 (01:15:38):
Yeah, they've raised this concern and they've been I guess
rebuffed at this point. But you know, it's very difficult
because of you know, up until the last Donald Trump presidency,
there was a real free trade Agreement NAFTA in the US,
and so cars in America are made of bits from Mexico,
bits from Canada and some of them assembled in the

(01:15:59):
US and them so you know, so all the technology,
you know, the smart technology might be made in the
US and they might be then assembled in Mexico. So
it's it's very hard to work out you know exactly,
you know, how how it's going to affect the car makers,
but it's it's not not promising for them, and especially

(01:16:23):
you know, a lot of them international players. So there's
a lot of concern that China is going to sort
of fill the gap around the world if if the
US cops sort of retaliatory trade. You know, people people
aren't when you send their cars there because of the tariffs,
there will be retaliation. China is poised, with this incredible

(01:16:44):
sort of output manufacturing output of evs at the moment
to send their b y d s and so on
into into the world. So there is some talk that
we could we could see some benefits from that. If
you like the look of the Chinese by D s.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
I do. Actually I've send a couple of them go
past in the traffic lately and I thought, yeah, they
look they look quite good. Actually, I don't know.

Speaker 29 (01:17:06):
I seemed quite good at making us something that looks
like a proper RECUV. And apparently their battery technology is
very good. So they've invested billions over there in the
battery technology. So that's you know, the thing for New Zealander,
isn't it making sure you could actually get away camping
and back and do the distances that people like to
do on the holidays.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Yeah, good point, Liam, Thank you very much for that.
Great to have you on as always, Liam Dan, the
Herald's Business editor at Large. It is twenty after six.
We're going to get to next to Jamie mckaye, host
of the Country. Lots to talk to him about, including
field days and a few changes for the q E
two board Trust Trust Board.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
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We'll get to the UK within the Brady just before
seven o'clock. Right now, Jamie mckaye hosted The Country is
with me. Jamie. Good evening.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Good a Ryan.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Now you've got an update on the q two National
Trust Board.

Speaker 21 (01:18:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:18:06):
Well they've just had their elections and a lady by
the name of Marie Taylor has been elected as a
director and a bloke by the name of Graham Murray
re elected for his third term term of course, Graham Murray,
famous former All Black captain. Now, Ryan, I know you're thinking,
what does the q E two National Trust do. Well,
it's an independent charitable trust that partners with private landowners

(01:18:30):
to protect sites on their land with covenants so the
landowner continues to own and manage the protected land, and
the covenant protection stays on the land even when the
property is on sold or if it's on sold. So
this five thousand protected areas throughout New Zealand, including one
under my name or my family's name, are down in

(01:18:52):
Southland to Wetland. I'm very, very proud of it. Protecting
more than one hundred and eighty thousand hectares of private
land plays a critical role as a refuge for some
of New Zealand's rarest and most endangered biodiversity and ecosystems.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
Now.

Speaker 24 (01:19:05):
Graham Murray is an interesting character. Not only was he
a very good All Black captain in the nineteen eighties,
you might remember he was famous back then for playing
classical music to his cows in his openaki dairy shed.
He put a Kiwi two covenant on his family farm
way back in the nineteen eighties. He was an early
adopter when it came to things like riperian planting and

(01:19:28):
tests management. He won the Regional Farm Environment Awards in
twenty twelve, so he's got a long history of conservation.
He's currently also the Director in charge of Farming for
southern pastures. This is one of the ten biggest dairy
farming operations in the country and I've got eighteen farms nationwide.
So the Kiwi two National Trust boards made up of

(01:19:50):
six members, four appointed by the Minister of Conservation, two
elected by Trust members and that's Graham Murray and Marie Taylor.
So look, if you want to save the planet, Ryan,
and I know we all do, and the government does
as well, this is the best money you can spend.
They have had a bit of a funding increase, still
not enough. They've got an extra four and a half

(01:20:11):
million over three years. But I would petition everyone to
petition their local MPs for more money for the Kiwi
two National Trust. It's a brilliant setup.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
It is. I actually spent some time in some Kiwi
two land, some native bush done in the Taradala Rangers
over the weekend. Absolutely stunning and they do great work
alongside the land owners. As you say, now in Kuwi
in the South Island, there's been a politician, a swarm
of politicians trying to get selfies. What's going on?

Speaker 24 (01:20:40):
Oh well, they normally and these farmer field days, Ryan,
are normally swarming with nats. You know labor the Greens
to party, Maury less likely to be seen, but to
his credit Chris Hipkins was there today along with Chris Luckson.
So it was all on in the South Island. Poor
on North Island at the moments curiously dry.

Speaker 17 (01:21:01):
As is the Tasman region.

Speaker 26 (01:21:02):
I shouldn't neglect them neither.

Speaker 24 (01:21:04):
But look at Canterbury's had a great season unless you're
a cropping or arable farmer, it's believed or not. It's
been a bit wet for them. But the pastoral farmers
are having a rip roarer. They haven't even needed to
turn the irrigators on in some places. So this plate
that the South Island Field Days held every second year.
They alternate with the Southern Field Days at Waimumo, just
outside a gore. They're really good. They're in kurve We,

(01:21:26):
thirty minutes west of christ Church. Great crowds, i'm told,
are very good. Certainly cautious optimism in the air, and
I'll be really interested to get the numbers at the
end of this on the big ticket items, especially things
like tractors and utes, because they are the real barometer
of the state of the rural market. Now from there

(01:21:49):
we moved. This is, by the way, the last of
the Big Farmer Field Days before we head to Mystery
Creek for the National Agricultural Field Days Dune eleven to fourteen.
So from the South Island your days in Kurwee. This
week it's off to the South Island Airy Event and
Timaru on April the seventh to the ninth, the Real
Farmer Conference designed for not designed for rural professionals, but

(01:22:10):
for farmers. Guest speakers include gold gold medal winning Olympic
rower Emma Twig and Cameron Bagriy we all know him,
amongst many other industry experts. Registrations are still open Ryan
and North Islanders even like you are welcome if you
want to come down to Timaru for a couple of
days in early April.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Brilliant. Hey, thanks very much, Jamie. Great to have you
on as always, Jamie McKay, host of the Country News Talks.
He'db it's twenty seven minutes after six coming up. Did
you know? I mean, we hear a lot about India,
and we've heard a lot about our trade potential with India.
Did you know India actually has quite a vibrant stock market.
Did you know that we don't talk about it much
on this show, do we? But we will next with

(01:22:50):
Sam Dickey.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
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Speaker 21 (01:23:17):
We never off for We'll never off.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
Do you think twenty four minutes away from seven News
Talks VB. We've been following the developments this afternoon from
the Minister Chris Bishop on land use you know do
you have in highly productive soil areas like Hotta Fuenoa
and light Pukakoi do you have more houses or do
you have fruit and ridgies growing so that we can
actually eat something. That's the debate that's been going on
and the government's making some changes. Horticulture New Zealand has

(01:23:49):
just put out a statement about them. I thought i'd
let you know a few of their concerns. They've said, look,
we've got big fish to fry in terms of the
water regulations, the fresh water regulations that some of the
regions are facing under certain councils. That's a big concern
for them. They say they've actually got no certainty at
the moment even though the government's made this announcement. This

(01:24:11):
announcement comes ahead of any certainty that the government will
ensure that growers in Pucaco and Hotapenema will be able
to continue growing on their highly productive land. So they're
kind of positioning themselves. Well, I suppose it's maybe a
bargaining position from horticulture endz. They say, we accept that
people need houses, but they also need to eat fresh

(01:24:32):
fruit and veggies. If the government makes building houses easier,
it also needs to make changes to enable the supply
of fresh fruit and vegetables as well. They're going to
hold meetings with their growers and find out how they
feel about the changes that have been proposed, and they
are just proposed at the moment. The minister said they
will scrap the for want of a better term, Level

(01:24:53):
three soil land from protections, but they will consult on
the changes that they're proposing to to take their place.
Twenty three away from.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
Seven Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
India's economy India, that is, its economy is massive. GDP
is four point three trillion dollars. In twenty fifteen, it
was two point one. That means it's doubled in ten years.
Growing six point eight percent this year. That's what they're expecting.
Huge potential for exporters, for investors too. They've got a
stock market there, but it does have an Achilles heel

(01:25:26):
and investors should know about it. Sam Dicky Fisher funds
with US Tonight, Hey, Sam, good evening. Ryan. First of all,
it is a pretty impressive beast the Indian economy, isn't it.
I mean, just the trajectory that it's on.

Speaker 8 (01:25:39):
It is a miracle. It's not just the sheer size
of it. It almost one and a half billion people,
but it's the youth and vibrancy of that population. So
the median age in India is around twenty eight years
of age versus almost forty in the US and New Zealand.
So the world's largest youth population is entering their prime

(01:26:00):
earning years, and it's got access to critical natural resources
like iron ore to make steel and abundant coal to
power the growth. Plus the fact that's a democracy and
is another country almost the same size it isn't it
a democracy? And that has combined to double GDP in
the last decade, which is miles faster than most countries
on Earth.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
So what about the stock market and in the what's
it I mean, we don't talk about it a lot here.
What's it like? It is very vibrant.

Speaker 17 (01:26:29):
So I'll just give you a couple of numbers there, Ryan.

Speaker 8 (01:26:31):
The overall value of the stock market is more than
one hundred percent of the size of the economy, so
more than one hundred percent of GDP. And that is
similar to very developed stock markets like the US and Australia.
And the retail investor over there is very active, so
mum and dad, they love it. Fifty percent of trading
volume is driven by these retail investors versus more like
twenty percent in the US. And they're super tech savvy

(01:26:53):
as well, so eighty two percent of all stock market
trades are done via mobile apps, miles ahead of most
Western stock market.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Wow, what's the risks?

Speaker 8 (01:27:04):
There's always risks. So the Achilles here for India is
two fold. The first one is with tiger growth that's
sort of eight percent growth they've been achieving, can come
tiger inflation and in fact it can all be kickstarted
by oil. So India needs to import around half of
its energy needs and that can feed on itself. So
think about this as the oil price goes up in

(01:27:24):
US dollars. That drives up domestic Indian inflation, which in
turn weakens the currency or the Indian rupee, which in
turn makes the imported oil more expensive in roupee terms,
and so on and so forth, so it feeds on itself.
It's otherwise known as the oil inflation currency trap of
India and the second Aarchilles heel is. And this is
a little bit of motive, but it's called the educated

(01:27:47):
unemployed time bomb. So twenty nine percent of graduates unemployed,
which is nine times higher than the uneducated unemployment right, right,
And when you think about twelve million youths a year
graduate entering the labor market, and a lot of them
want to be computer engineers, and considering AI can code
faster than any trainee computer engineer, it's a problem. And

(01:28:10):
all of this is supercharged by the exceptional inequality in India.
So an unusually tiny proportion of people hold the vast
majority of wealth.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
Yeah, even that GDP number, you know, it sounds so
massive and impressive, but in terms of GDP per capita,
they're like one hundred and fiftieth in the world, aren't
they mean You've got to remember just how big the
population is in relation to that, right.

Speaker 8 (01:28:33):
That's right, And the penetration of things like consumer banking
and things are very low, so there's a long way
to go, but they're moving pretty rapidly. So I think
they're probably the fifth biggest economy in the world today
and by twenty fifty expected to be the biggest economy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
So they are on the charge. Now where does what
does all of this mean for investors?

Speaker 8 (01:28:54):
Well, the amazing thing about economies like India that are
starting from behind the Western world is with modern day technology,
they can actually leapfrog the West because these young, vibrant
consumers are hungry for information and tech savvy. So you've
got high internet and mobile usage, you've got cash less payments.
Think how how recently we went to cashless payments, cashless

(01:29:15):
payments and very very remote villages in India all creating
the world's largest digital public infrastructure. And overall there's some
phenomenal companies in India and it is a tiger economy
that grows rapidly.

Speaker 17 (01:29:29):
But just watch those Archilles heels.

Speaker 8 (01:29:30):
So, for example, if if you are invested in India
and you started to see the oil price shoot up,
keep an eye on the Indian rupee for signs of
abnormal weakness and that can drive down the stock market.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
Fascinating stuff. Sam, thank you very much for that update.
We've been talking a lot about in there in the
last couple of months. That's good to get an insight
into their stock market too, Sam Dickey, Fisher Funds eighteen
to seven. We're in the UK next.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
It'd be it's gone called to seven. It's got it
in thee. Brady a UK correspondent who's with us in
the welcome. Hey Ryan, good to speak to you again
and to you too. What's been the reaction to Rachel Raise,
you know, the lovely labor Chancellor of the EXCHEQA and
some pretty fetcher like cats.

Speaker 26 (01:30:24):
Yes, so she's gone after people on sickness and disability benefits,
that's all being reduced, loads of cuts and spending, and
she hasn't ruled out the fact that taxes may have
to rise. So look, I think it very much depends
on which side of the political offense people sit on
a lot of people are criticizing her, A lot of
conservatives are saying that this is awful. She will say

(01:30:45):
in turn that she is dealing with the mess labor
inheritage July of last year. I think the fact remains
the UK economy is limping along. She has huge conundrums
that I'm struggling to see where the answer is going
to come from. Nine point two million people of working
age in this country are not in work, They're not
doing anything, they're not paying tax, they're not contributing to

(01:31:08):
the economy. Nine point two million people. Now we have
ten percent of the working age population who are on
sickness and disability benefits. So she has I don't know
what has gone wrong in Britain, but she seems to
be adamant that the decisions she's making today will bear
fruit five or six years down the line. Politically, I

(01:31:29):
wonder will she be Chancellor in five or six months?

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Yeah, Well, to be fear to that. As you say,
rock and a hard place, really, isn't that when you
when you're in heer, It's something like that. And just
so recently as well, now Trump's terrorists on cars. What
will this do to the UK, could it actually wipe
you growth?

Speaker 26 (01:31:49):
Well, growth is basically zero at the moment and has
been from months and months on end, and that is
the challenge for Reeves. She's saying that she wants to
stimulate growth and all these cuts and change that she's
making now will bring growth eventually. Step forward. Donald Trump,
he has announced that next Wednesday is Liberation Day and
the plan is that he will whack twenty five percent

(01:32:11):
tariffs on all manufactured cars coming into the United States.
So what that means for the UK is very very
bad news, indeed, because there's about thirty billion dollars worth
of deals from the car manufacturing sector here that go
to the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
The EU is the.

Speaker 26 (01:32:29):
Number one market European Union. Britain's second biggest market for
all of the vehicles that transports is the US. Twenty
twenty four, the UK sold one hundred and one thousand
units to America. And if he puts that tariffin as
of next Wednesday, that it just will be untenable and
that will send Britain in a tail spin back into

(01:32:50):
a recession.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Goodness, mate, doesn't the news just doesn't get better for
right for race, does it? The man that's been banned
from an entire county for stealing.

Speaker 26 (01:33:02):
What Cabri's cream eggs. So, I don't know if you
have them in New Zealand, but they're a nice little treat.
They're the size of an actual egg that you would
crack open and make an omelet with. Kids love them,
and they're getting more expensive like everything else in our shops.
This guy, he's twenty six years of age from the
Peterborough area. His name is Dion de Grout. He walked

(01:33:26):
into Tesco Supermarket and he left without paying with three
hundred and twenty five Cabri's cream eggs. Now, one of
the shop assistants was observing what this guy was doing,
ran after him, and as luck would have it, a
police patrol car was going right past the street. She
flagged down the police patrol car. They got out, they

(01:33:47):
stopped this guy. They put cuffs on him and you
can see on the body cam footage the officer says,
what have we got here, and the bloke says, Cabrey's
cream eggs. So they sit him down. They count them out.
Three hundred and twenty five cream makes about four hundred
and fifty dollars worth of chocolates and this guy thought
this was okay. So he has avoided a prison sentence.

(01:34:09):
The judge says he's going to have a suspended sentence.
He will do some community work, he will repay the money.
The goods are gone back obviously, but he now will
be banned from the entire county of Cambridgeshire for three
months in total.

Speaker 29 (01:34:25):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
It's a lot of eggs. A lot of eggs. I'd
hate to think how many east does it take you
to get through them? In the thank you for that
end of Brady our UK correspondent, it is eleven minutes
away from seven. There was also a setout today number
out today from Crispy Creme Donuts sixty three percent increase
I think in the amount of donuts that we're eating,
and if you've ever eaten a Crispy Creme donut, you

(01:34:46):
will know it's sugar. I mean, it's just a pure
sugar hit. But they reckon that. On average we eat
three or four donuts a year per per New Zealander,
which personally I would do way more than that. But
isn't that interesting A sixty three percent increase in Crispy

(01:35:06):
Creme doughnut sales. That's pretty significant. And think of how
much sugar that represents, how much fatter were you're getting.
Where are we sixty three percent bigger? Newstalks EDB.

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Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
B seven to seven. Trump's putting tariffs on Canada over fentanyl.
We should be putting tariffs on Canada over meth. You
want to see the numbers coming out of Canada into
Auckland Airport last night, Fifteen kilos of meth and a
suit case a twenty three year old woman. And I've

(01:36:02):
been keeping just one eye on these releases from customs.
We've had at least five. It's almost like one suitcase
per month from Canada, of all places. And you've got
to think to yourself, so this is five million dollars worth.
If it was sold five million dollars worth, of course
it'd be worth a lot less to the cartels because
it'd be worth next to nothing to them. They'll send

(01:36:22):
in ten and you know one ten will be stopped
or whatever at a wholesale price, but five million dollars
if you sold it on the street. But almost every
month we've had a suitcase full of meth coming in
from Canada. So the cartels are obviously going to North
America and trying to get the stuff in that way,

(01:36:43):
because maybe we don't look as closely at the suitcases
except even a cursory Google. I mean, if you were
one of these smugglers and someone said to you, I
want you to take the suitcase and go to Auckland Airport,
just a quick Google search, you would see that every
month they're catching a person from Canada doing the same thing.
So clearly Customs is watching flights from Canada quite closely.

(01:37:05):
And last night they twenty three year old woman been
arrested fifteen point one kilograms of beth and petamin in
a suitcase five away from seven. What have we going
out to?

Speaker 30 (01:37:15):
Ants piano man by Billy Joel to play us out
tonight Billy Joel and You documentary about him is going
to be airing on HBO over in the States. It
says over the Summer, which I assume means that'll be
like the US summer, So that'll be like the winter
for us. It's going to be called and so it goes.
The director's worked on documentaries about Jane Fonder and Steven

(01:37:36):
Steelberg before. Since it's HBO, I assume we will probably
get the opportunity to see it here. I would imagine
probably on Neon or SkyTV, but I haven't spoken to
SkyTV about it. But yeah, I would be surprised if
there was no way to watch it when it eventually airs.

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
Sounds good to me, even just for the music, you know,
even if it's crap TV.

Speaker 30 (01:37:55):
Ah, you wouldn't have to worry about what song to
put over the credits, would you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
All right? Thanks ants, Thanks everyone to.

Speaker 20 (01:38:08):
Sing us the song.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
You're the piano man sing us.

Speaker 23 (01:38:12):
A song tonight.

Speaker 21 (01:38:15):
Well, we're all in the most warnality and you've got
us spirit it all righty.

Speaker 23 (01:38:37):
It's a pretty good crowd for a Saturday.

Speaker 21 (01:38:41):
And the manager gives me a smile because he knows
that it's me they've been coming to see to forget
about life for a while. I'm a kill sounds like
a punibal, like the phone smells like a beer. And

(01:39:03):
they sit at the barn and put bread in my
jar and say, man, what are.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
You doing here?

Speaker 5 (01:39:11):
Oh Lord? A load in it all, a load in
it all.

Speaker 7 (01:39:23):
Say you're a piano man.

Speaker 21 (01:39:27):
S the song tonight, well, a rode in the moon
for abalony, and you've gotta spell it alright.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
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