Full Show Podcast: 8 July 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's hither Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand Let's
get connected.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
News Talk said be.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
Welcome to Heather Deplicy Allen Drive here on News Talk ZEDB.
I'm Francesco Budkin filling in for Heather today. She will
be back with you tomorrow. Coming up on the show today,
Darling Taner has gone from the Greens, but has not
gone from Parliament. Green's co leader Chloes Warbroick will be
with me after five to talk about the report and
the consequences. Pressure is continuing to mount on US President

(00:34):
Joe Biden to step down in the next election, but
will he We will head to the States on the
show today, and plus we go to Tiano, birthplace of
New Zealand's new tennis sensation.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
News Talk said by It has.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
Been one hundred and sixteen days since Green MP Darling
Tanner was suspended from caucus on full pay amid allegations
shares linked to migrant exploitation at her husband's company. Finally,
today a very frustrated Greens co leader Chloe Swoolbrick stepped
up to announce they have received the final report. They
got it on Friday. They met as a caucus over

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the weekend and unanimously decided that they would request Darling
Tanner's resignation from parliament. Since then, Darling has resigned from
the Green Party, but she is yet to resign from Parliament,
which at this point and at a minimum, is pretty cheeky.
Dna has been suspended on full pay for more than
half her entire career as an MP. The last count

(01:32):
that a very patient reporter did they are discovered how
much she had earned while under investigation. They suggested that
it was around forty seven thousand dollars, and the cost
of the investigation itself, well, those costs are north of
forty three thousand. So the Greens have been very cagey
about what's in the report. There is only so much

(01:52):
they can tell us, and as much as they have
stated they want to release the report, they don't know
when they will actually be able to do this. Despite this,
the Green Party isn't messing around. They've strongly stated that
they hope that Tana does the right thing and resigns
as a member of Parliament. If she refuses, they will
have to decide whether to invoke the Walker jumping legislation

(02:14):
to remove her from Parliament, legislation they've vehemently opposed, so,
as Warbrook said, her actions go against the core of
everything the Greens stand for. She also stated that she
felt Tana had misled Madama Davidson and herself, so you
can kind of understand White's woolbrick is fired up today.
This issue has always been about integrity, The integrity of

(02:35):
Darling Tana, the Green Party and independent investigations. They are
all under scrutiny. Surely there must be a better way
to conduct an independent investigation, a cheaper, more transparent and
a quicker version, please, and that would have benefited everybody involved.
And we're too now for Darling Tana. Well, she has
had her investigation, an investigation where she agreed to the

(02:58):
terms of reference. If she wants to stay in Parliament,
she must agree to release the report. However, I find
myself agreeing strongly with the Greens on the other option.
She should resign from parliament and save us from any
further Bother news talk said, be all right, and of
course keen to hear your thoughts throughout the afternoon. You

(03:18):
can text anytime on ninety two ninety two right, Consumer
New Zealand is calling for power companies to stop switching
off the power for those who can't pay. Each year,
around forty thousand New Zealanders are disconnected from their power
supply for non payment. Despite this, the big four power
companies together made more than half a billion dollars in
profit last year. Paul Fuge is power switch manager at

(03:40):
Consumer New Zealand, and he joins me, now, thanks for your.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Time, Paul, Hi, goody.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Hey, how many payments do you have to have missed
before the power is switched off?

Speaker 6 (03:52):
What depends on the retail Usually depends on which sort
of plan you're on. If you're on a pre pay plan,
because the power can be disconnected automatically. If you're on
a post paid plan, usually get two or three reminders
before you're disconnected, So.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
That could be a month then or two months, maybe
after you hadn't paid a bill.

Speaker 6 (04:11):
Yeah, on post pay, it'll be a couple of months
before it got to that point.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Okay, how long are these people disconnected from their power
supply because they don't pay the bills?

Speaker 6 (04:20):
Well, it varies, you know, on prepay it can be
a matter of hours, you know, on other options. It
can be a lot longer. It can be days or
even weeks. We've heard so was.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
That because you've all of a sudden contacted them said
I've made a payment and they switch it back on
for you. Or is that just the length of time
it can take for them to get power back on.

Speaker 7 (04:39):
No, it's right.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
So with modern meters, the power can be reason toward
phily fairly immediately. So as soon as you know, pay
what's owed, they continue on back on immediately.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Forty thousand New Zealanders is a lot, isn't it You
surprised by that?

Speaker 6 (04:57):
No, not really, It's been that way for a few
years now. It's been pretty consistent finding we've had Vie
being cut off. I guess what's of more concern is
the prepay for us. Is that's the automatic disconnections that
can be we feel as a little bit dangerous. With
the other ones. For postpaid, there's usually quite a bit
of time for intervention before disconnection occurs.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yes, I can understand the concerns around the prepay. If
we don't ever switch the power off, aren't we just
sending the message that it's okay not to pay.

Speaker 6 (05:29):
Well, that's that's right, it needs to be balanced that's
right if people will just if we just said no,
you wouldn't need to be cut off. That would create
another issue, wouldn't it Because bigger then we'll not pay well.
So we're not saying that it needs to be balanced out.
We need to be more protections around disconnections and more
time for interventions and other mechanisms need to be in

(05:49):
place to stop those people who genuinely can't afford it,
and whether it be genuine harm caused to take place
before disconnection occurs.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
I have occasionally received Liverpool. I'm going to admit this
where I've missed a bill and the first that I get,
generally the utilities company will say to me, hey, look,
if you're having problems paying, we can come up with
a payment plan. Does that happen with the power companies?

Speaker 6 (06:16):
And yes, that's right. Generally they're pretty good about it.
And as long as people are making a genuine effort
to pay, you won't be cut up. Lot people don't
realize that the people who get cut off we here
are the people who go to ground who just don't respond.
But if you're making it, if you do, you are
having trouble paying and you contact your retailer, they most
of them will come to the party and help you

(06:38):
out and come up with the payment plan or some
other mechanism. And as long as you're making an attempt
to pay, generally you will not be cut off.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Great, So the advice is don't be shy about it,
get on the phone, call them, explain the situation, and
find a solution as opposed to being cut off.

Speaker 8 (06:53):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
The worst thing you can do is just not respond.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Is the problem here that power companies are charging too much?

Speaker 8 (07:01):
Well, that's right.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
If you take a step back, we have to ask
why ultricity has got so expensive. And I guess that's
the elephant in the room. You know what's causing you
know the you know what's causing this problem is ultracy
has got quite expensive. It's thirty five percent more expensive
in real terms than it was at the beginning of
the market, as we would offer a bit more recently,

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but it has got increasing expensive and it's a cost
of living crisis. So it's not just not just ultrus
everything else has got more expensive as well. So people
are finding it generally a lot harder to pay their bill.
About nineteen percent of people are struggling to pay their power.

Speaker 9 (07:38):
Bills at the moment.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Hey, Paul, thanks so much for joining us today and
talking us through that. That was Paul Fuge from power Switch.
It is fourteen past four. You're with news DOORGSB.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
It's hither duplessy Alan drive with one New Zealand one
giant leap for business US dogsb.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
He comments here on the power story. Bend texts to say,
if I don't pay my phone bill, it gets cut off.
If I don't pay my car it gets taken Pay
your bills. People. Another person has bought up the winter
energy payment. This is what people on low incomes get
the winter energy payment for. Are they ripping the taxpayer off?
I think what we got out of that conversation with
Paul is if you're having a problem in struggling, just
call your provider, have a conversation. You'll be able to

(08:20):
find a solution, hopefully. Jason Pine, sports talk host, we'll
be joining you at seven pm tonight, and he joins me, Now,
good evening, Good evening. Don't you just love an underdog story?
I love that moment when someone's life is changed by
a game or a match and all of a sudden,
all those years Pioney of sacrifice and physical and mental

(08:41):
training and most likely a lot of loneliness.

Speaker 10 (08:44):
It all pays off absolutely and lo LUs On, yeah,
I had all that.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
That's what I felt like We've been watching with Lusn.
It's so absoluting, isn't it so good?

Speaker 10 (08:53):
And I mean just the circumstances around her win first
ever appearance on center court, but even to get into
the main draw at Wimbledon is a big thing. She
had to go through three rounds of qualifying, she was
a set down in one of those qualifiers, got through okay,
and now on de center court playing the British tennis
darling Emma Radakanu, who was obviously the crowd favorite and

(09:15):
probably the hot favorite ranking wise. She got there in
three sets. I thought it was really cool. Actually, even
you know though the crowd were clearly wanting Emma Ronicadu
to win. Once Lulusan had win, once she went back
out on court and got a really nice ovation. But
for her life changing, as you say, to make the
last eight of a major like this, this will be
a major thing in her tennis career.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
We're going to head to Tiano a little bit later
in the show as well. Of course, we have ticked
the All Blacks first test off under Scott Robertson how
satisfied will he be? I have a funny feeling plony
that he will have just gone okay, we've done that
now and he will just be fully focused on the
second post.

Speaker 10 (09:52):
I tend to agree. I think the first one was
always going to be a little bit unusual, and that
it is the first one. Everything was new. They didn't
really know so of course, I mean they've been around
the game for a while, these coaches and the players obviously,
but getting the first Test week out of the way
I think was an important box to tick. And now
I think you're right. I think now now go into it,
it won't be new to them. They've got a frame

(10:13):
of reference around what England bring and around what the
All Blacks can do, and we'll need to do better.
So yeah, I think it's almost like a bit of
a weight off their shoulders now they're not new to
it all. And look, I kind of expect the All
Blacks to win again on Saturday night at Eden Park
with a hardly ever lose and probably a little bit
more convincingly to England's chance. I think was Saturday night

(10:35):
in Dunedin. Could be wrong, but I reckon that all
Blacks will be a bit more comfortable now in their
own skins ahead of the second Test.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
What's what else is coming up on sports talk tonight?

Speaker 10 (10:45):
I really want to focus on the tennis. Get a
chat to blind of Cordwell last key we to make
a quarterfinal the Grand Slam back in nineteen eighty nine
and also ahead of tennis New Zealand, Julie Pattison, what
does this mean for the game here?

Speaker 4 (10:58):
Fantastic, so much, Jason. Jason will be back with you
at seven pm tonight here on news Talks to be
it is twenty past four on your smart speaker.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home hither due to see allan drive with one
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Let's get connected a news talk as that'd be.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Thank you very much for your texts. Francisco, I'm confused, Darling.
Tana is a listing p Why can she not be
kicked out of Parliament if she's been removed from the
Green Party. It doesn't matter how you go into Parliament.
If you're a List MP or you've been voted in
by your electorate, you can be kicked out of your party.
But when you're in your in so it will be

(11:38):
up to her. We will have to see how she responds.
And then of course you've got that the Walker jumping
legislation that the Greens are very much opposed but may
be able to kind of put in place to get
her to leave. It sounds like darling Tana has dragged
this out to keep cashing the month the taxpayer check.

(12:01):
She's milking US taxpayers, and another said why can't they
release the report? Taxpayers paid for it? A convenient excuse
for Greens to avoid colatter damage. We're going to ask
Chloe this just after five when she joins US. Chloe's
war broke from today. From what we could see today,
she was really frustrated by the process of not being

(12:23):
able to release the report. We're going to be able
to find out why not and hopefully get a time
frame on when that is going to be released. Coming
up shortly, Oliver Paterson is going to join us from
the US and Christmas was a sorry from Australia. Christmas
was almost in Jeopardy and Australia because there was a
crisis with one of the port operators and all the
ships got held up and everybody suddenly thought we're not

(12:46):
going to have our stock for Christmas. We'll find out
what's happened. That's coming up shortly here on hither do
you plus se Alan drive on Newstalksby.

Speaker 11 (12:56):
I'm sure you're last. Segafer, just wish me what cause
it was the whiskey flobing? Were you in nothing? Did
the nerves come get you? It's your ound love time.
Little Wady got to ber leg and that's where you'll
be forgotten in forty years to still be here, junquash

(13:17):
open lost.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
The hell love of bluff you had me believe in.

Speaker 11 (13:40):
How many months did you plan and leave?

Speaker 12 (13:43):
And what happened that happens? Did you go back?

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Go back?

Speaker 12 (13:48):
I loved you?

Speaker 11 (13:49):
How tragic?

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Did you new stuff working?

Speaker 11 (13:54):
Did your truck break?

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Did you plant through money?

Speaker 11 (13:58):
Digit ex man, there's a way and I'm sure you're lasted.
Send me Segabt just wish your castles the list.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Hard questions Strong opinion.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Heather du for see Ellen drive with one New Zealand
Let's get connected and news talk and said, be.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
A little bit more feedback for you. I see someone
who's text to say, I see you have Heather as
your spirit animal, Francesca, great show. That's very kind of you.
I am just doing an emergency fill in here, Heather.
We'll be back with you tomorrow.

Speaker 13 (14:27):
Folks.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
It's okay. She hasn't gone on holiday or anything. She
will be back. But that is very kind of you, Ah, Francheska.
Power companies are the biggest crooks. It's disgraceful. They charge
a reconnection fee. The government is a fifty one percent
shareholder in all the major retailers. They could change it
in a blink. There is a lot coming through about

(14:50):
the power. Only beneficiaries get the winter power payment. Other
low income people get no help at all. And maybe
that's somewhere where where the government could step up. I
know that the winter pay, the winter power payment has
been quite controversial, but actually, if people are really struggling,
and maybe we could create some new criteria if people

(15:11):
are eligible, then that could be another way of helping
him as well. PRANCESSA. I am single and a pensioner,
but I've had my hot water switched off twice. In
the last month. The bills have been paid, so there
was no reason for the inconvenience. Never received an apology
from the supplier. This is what they do. Thank you
very much for your text.

Speaker 14 (15:28):
Actually, Heather Duplessy Allen cutting through the noise to get
the facts.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
It's Heather Duplicy Allen Drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected and news Talk as it'd be coming.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Up, coming up shortly. Very sober is going to be well. Thus,
of course the story today is darlinge Tana, isn't it.
So we'll be having a chat to him, getting his
thoughts on the saga. And the Prime Minister leaves Washington,
DC tonight as well for the NATO summit, which hopefully
he will reach because once again the poor Prime Minister
has had a little bit of a hiccup when it
comes to flying from A to B and Beryl is

(16:14):
making things a little bit tricky for him to get
to the United States. Anyway, We're going to catch up
with Barry and just a moment. Ed is a twenty
four to four, but.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
It's the world wires on News Talks, Eddy Drive.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
France is facing a hung parliament after an unexpected surge
by the left in the country snap parliamentary election. The
leftist New Popular Front has won the most seats, Macon
Centralists have come second, and the right wing National Rally
Party have come third. No party has won enough seats
to govern alone. National Rally president Jordan Bardella isn't too happy.

Speaker 13 (16:48):
Unfortunately, the alliance of this honor and the dangerous electual
arrangement set up by this government with the far left
coalition has deprived of French people of a political recovery.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Three children have died in a house fire in West Sydney.
A man who allegedly barricaded the kids in the house
while it burnt down is in a coma in hospital
under police guard. New South Wales Premiere Chrismins says this
is a tragedy.

Speaker 15 (17:12):
This is a horrifying and senseless act, a horrifying and
senseless act that's quite rightly outraged the entire state. These
children deserved a loving home with safety and security, and
stared they're gone more.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Of Australian correspondent Oliver Peterson. Shortly, and finally, two pistols,
once owned by Napoleon Bonaparte have sold it auction for
almost three million New Zealand dollars. The story goes that
Napoleon was going to use these pistols to take his
own life after he lost the Battle of Waterloo, but
his squire was able to stop him by removing the powder.

(17:51):
We don't know who has brought the pistols at this
latest auction, but the guns have to stay in France
by law as they're considered a national treasure.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind for.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
New Zealand business.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
And joining us now is Oliver Peterson, six PR Perth
Live presenter.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
How are you today, Oliver Francesco? I am very well.

Speaker 13 (18:15):
How are you?

Speaker 4 (18:16):
I'm good? Thank you. This is just a horrible, horrible
story about these three children who have died and with
Sydney House far.

Speaker 16 (18:22):
It is just words will not do anything justice here
that reliving what these local residents had to go through
to try and help save the lives of these three children.
While it is being alleged that the father was holding
the door shut saying reportedly I want to die here,
Let me die here now.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
He's ten month old baby girl too.

Speaker 16 (18:42):
Boys age three and six are dead and it is
going to be alleged once they can talk to this
bloke who's in a coma, that he set the house
on fire and was trying to kill his family. He's
got other children who did escape. One of them has
reportedly now said that dad just tried to kill us.
And as you heard there from the New South Wales
Premier Chris Mins, it is just an awful, tragic set
of circumstances.

Speaker 5 (19:03):
Obviously we need to go through the process.

Speaker 16 (19:04):
But on the surface of this, I cannot quite believe
Francesca that a father would try and do this to
his own children.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
It is just horrible.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
No, it's unimaginable. The cops are worried about a new lethal.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
Drug, yeah they are.

Speaker 16 (19:15):
They're saying, the Australian Federal Police that they've got on
the streets of Australia at the moment something which is
called nazine opioids, and they're saying that's a thousand times
stronger more potent than morphine. Now, obviously you've got to
be a bit of a goose if you're buying these
things off people on the streets anyway, But this is
a massive warning from the AFP because they are unable
to detect exactly who's bringing them in, who might be

(19:38):
buying them from drug dealers, and they want to get
this message out to plenty of people around the country.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
It's been found in Melbourne.

Speaker 16 (19:44):
A search warrant of about four kilos of this was
intercepted in thirty seven different parcels in Melbourne last week
and now the fears are this could be spreading across Australia.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Any incidents regarding it not at this stage.

Speaker 16 (19:55):
We do know of a forty thirty two year old
man rather sorry, they considue the investigation of four people
in Melbourne last month. They haven't quite made the link
there at this stage, but they're saying that there are
bodies of a thirty two year old to seventeen year old,
thirty seven year old and forty two year old being
examined now from a suspected drug overdose. So joining the
dots with this one, Francesco I would suggest that he's

(20:16):
probably what has prompted this warning from police, but they're
not giving out anything official at the moment.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
And the Defense Force by as new high tech drones.

Speaker 16 (20:24):
Yeah, they're called the Kamakazi like drones.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
They're called a switchblade three hundred.

Speaker 16 (20:29):
It's designed to crash into enemy They're going to be
issued to the defense forces. It's what we've seen being
supplied to the Ukrainian military during its war against Russia.
It's quite a cheap form of the technology that's quite effective,
and these new technologies such as drones will now be
deployed into the Australian Defense Forces. We don't have an
exact number of how many of those will be issued

(20:50):
to the Australian Defense Forces, but they'll be joining the
eightyf we're told by the end of this year.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
They are weigh only three kilograms. Will be interesting to
see how they are deployed and used by the.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
It's pretty easy to carry your backpack, it is, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
How much were they?

Speaker 5 (21:04):
Sorry, we don't have a price yet.

Speaker 16 (21:05):
We don't have a number, but the Australian Defense Force
that the Defense Minister Richard Marles, is set to make
that announcement later today, but at this stage we don't
have all the details.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
It kind of sounded like I was going to purchase one,
then didn't.

Speaker 16 (21:17):
I Maybe for other purposes, Francesca, maybe you'd be using it,
you know, to photograph the beautiful coastal scenery there in New.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Zealand's passively Oliver Peterson, thank you for keeping us up
to date. Really nice to catch up with you. And
the other story that I mentioned was the port operator
Deep World. They have begun resuming operations at its ports
across Australia. This will probably affect us as well because
so many ships got held up in it. There was
a cyber attack and it brought its freight ships to
a halt, and there was this huge concern that it

(21:47):
was going to create widespread shortages ahead of Christmas. I
know it's July, but we're already thinking about Christmas. So
the Australians were getting very worried that Christmas was going
to be off and estimated thirty thousand shipping containers were stranded,
which is quite a lot. Anyway, they've kind of they're
back up and running, and experts predict that they originally

(22:08):
predicted that the fallout could last week's and it could
ripple through the broader economy and have an impact on Christmas.
But now it looks like the supermarket chains they're going
to be unaffected by disruptions and really really good news
for the assies. The owner of the liquor giant Dan
Murphy's has said, it's okay, folks, we already have our
Christmas stock. It has arrived in the country. It's going

(22:28):
to be all right. We're going to have enough bears
and bears and wine for Christmas. So that's good news
that that's up and running. But it doesn't take much,
does it, to stop everything. And we've learned over the
last few years what happens when shipping is disrupted. Okay,
back to your texts. The report on Tana's finding reflects

(22:50):
directly on the Greens. They shouldn't be able to hide
behind a privacy blanket to avoid releasing it. As I
mentioned before, we're going to talk to Chloe just after
fire and this is what we're going to ask her.
They have always said they wanted to release this report.
And I know it's really easy for us to say,
come on these investigations before, what the Greens have dragged on,

(23:12):
they haven't always been transparent and we sometimes don't get
all the information we need. So I completely understand cynicism
behind your texts and your thoughts here, but I think
they are really keen to release this report. I think
they would like us to know the behavior that has
gone on, because they would really like there to be

(23:32):
pressure on Darlene Tana to resign so that they don't
have to take any further steps to remove her from parliament.
A few more about the electricity Francesca, we are pensioners
and receive the electricity subsidy. We don't need it, nor
do any of our friends need it. It should be income
assessed based and Francisca, there is one hundred and ten

(23:54):
grand available to everybody struggling to pay their powable. You
claim it through your retailer. The previous governments set it
up when they took our low user rebates off us,
but didn't advertise widely. The grant is available. I just
email Meridian each year and it is credited. So that
was from Jill. More good information there, Hey yet, Next
we're also going to head to Tiano. And I'm really

(24:16):
excited about this story about lu Luson because we all
you know who doesn't love a really good underdog story.
And I just can't resist a positive, upbeat story. And
I had such a smile on my face this warning
when I saw that she had beaten former US Open
champ Edit Radakano, and I can only imagine what was
happening in Tiano and how exciting it must be for

(24:39):
them and her family who is still based there. So
we of course will be heading there next hour as well.
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Speaker 4 (24:52):
Senior political correspondent Barry Soaper joins me. Now, good afternoon,
Hello Francesca. How are you very good? Thank you, nice
to see you. The darlinge Tana saga has been the
news of the day, hasn't it.

Speaker 17 (25:03):
It most certainly has. And Chloe Swarbrick she's the only
leader of the Greens on deck at the moment because
Madame and Davidson is taking time off for breast cancer
and will be away for most of the years. So
Chloe Swarbrick is now really feeling what the heat is
like if you're leading alone a political party, which is

(25:25):
what she's been doing today. It's an interesting one. This's
because you know, MPs have stayed on before as independents,
and there was a walker jumping piece of legislation in
the early two thousands that had a sunset clause and

(25:46):
it went off the statute books, but they brought another
one back in in twenty eighteen, and that's quite specific.
They have to essentially, an MP has to send a
notice to the Speaker saying that they either quit the
party or they wanted to remain on as an independent
or a member of another party. So they can still

(26:07):
do that, but there's no other party of course that's
going to touch Darling Tana at the moment.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
Has the Speaker heard from Darling yet?

Speaker 17 (26:16):
Well, I haven't been able to contact the Speaker. I
think he maybe overseas, so you know, it's the form
is there. They're in recess at the moment, so I
don't think anything immediate is going to happen. But you know,
I think the Greens are not covered in glory for
this because when they hired the solicitor to do the

(26:38):
inquiry at the beginning in mid March, they said, you know,
it'll be a short inquiry, it won't take long, and
now we see one hundred and fifteen days Darling Tana
has in fact been in Parliament for basically being paid
for more than half the time that she's been there

(26:58):
without being at work, which is pretty disgraceful and means
that she's earned over fifty thousand dollars the cost of
the report that the Greens have come up with. That's
taxpayer money as well. Even though it's out of the
Greens budget, it's still taxpayers money. So it's not a
good saga for the Greens. Don't forget Elizabeth Kerry Carey. Yes,

(27:21):
she defected from the Greens as well. She stayed on
in Parliament as an independent MP and the lead up
to the last election, but because it was so close,
I think there was no feeling that, you know, there
was any point in doing anything about it then. But
of course we've still got now almost two and a
half years to the next election. So I think of

(27:43):
Darli and Tanau. I'm sure she knows this. If she
hung on there, she'd be hanging around like a bad smell.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
What do you think you're doing?

Speaker 12 (27:50):
Well?

Speaker 17 (27:51):
If she's got any honor, she would resign and get
out of the place and make way for the proportionality
for the Greens to be maintained in Parliament. And that
would mean that they would bring the next person through
on the list, and that's what should happen. But you
know who knows what this woman is thinking about at
the moment.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
The Prime Minister leaves for Washington, d C. Tonight for
the NATO summit.

Speaker 17 (28:15):
Hopefully Yeah, well he's he's meant to be going via
Houston's fun when you think about it. They used to
run an airline him. Yeah, that's right, but it is difficult,
but it's Look, it's an important meeting for New Zealand.
We're not a member of NATO, of course, but there
are some big names that will be there this year,

(28:38):
like France isn't a member of NATO either, but Emmanuel
macrong is likely to be there because he's done quite
a lot of work in the lead up to this summit.
And you'll see Justin Trudeau will be there most likely,
well almost certainly he'll be there as well. So there
will be some people that Luxon would like to get alongside,

(29:00):
but not the least secure Starmer. I think he will
most almost certainly be in Washington, and you know it'll
be an opportunity for New Zealand to get alongside the
British Prime minister.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Does he have any official meetings with them or is
it just going to be pulicides.

Speaker 17 (29:16):
He's got a number of bilaterals lined up, but mainly
I think they're in Congress, and you know, he'll no
doubt get a pretty good feed on Joe Biden and
Donald Trump and where all that's at. Although I think
the world is pretty knowledgeable about where it should be at.
But whether it ends up that way or not is

(29:39):
another matter. I mean, Joe Biden clearly is not up
to running for president. And we had news over the
weekend that a Parkinson's doctor or specialist has been to
the White House on several occasions in recent months. And
you've only got to look at the way he walks. Franciska.
I've had friends who have unfortunately suffered from parkinson so

(30:02):
they walk with their hands at their side, which is
a balance, and I think it's the telltale signs are
pretty masked.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
So Dr Barry Soper diagnosis. Okay, Well, there we go,
poor Joe. It will be looked really really quickly. In
thirty seconds, Martin names for government departments, there's some confusion,
a bit of back and forth going on.

Speaker 17 (30:20):
Well, it's all over the place, actually, and you know
it was part of the New Zealand First National Party
coalition deal that New Zealand has said that they should
be done away with and don't forget it was the
government departments themselves that decided without any consultation with the public.
I think this is an issue that should be debated
more widely, rather than ministers saying to their departments you

(30:43):
make up your own minds, and apparently that is the case,
and some with Foreign Affairs Winston saying AURA is not
to be used under any circumstances, whereas Conservation says it's
up to you do what you like. So they've got
to have a statement and a policy that really does controllers.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Barry soper A pleasure is always last to talk to.

Speaker 17 (31:03):
Frenchiskin.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
It is a six to five News talks edb putting.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
The tough questions to the newspakers. The mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 10 (31:11):
Heart services are now being described as in crisis and
they need much needed drugs and they need funding.

Speaker 7 (31:17):
Joining me Chair of the New Zealand Cardiac Society, Martin Styles,
we as.

Speaker 18 (31:21):
A cardiology community have been watching the news closely with
all the cancer funding and we are delighted to see
that the cancer patients are getting more funding. However, Cardibus
of the disease remains the number one killer of New Zealanders,
so we need to make sure that the funding that's
been given to far Make is distributed equitably across all diseases.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
How much money do you need?

Speaker 18 (31:40):
Well, the issue with healthcare is that healthcare has this
tendency to soak up as much money as you give it.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Andrew Dickens on the mic Hosking Breakfast Back tomorrow at
six am with the Jaguar on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
This is Heather Duplicy Allen Drive. I'm fridgis good back
can filling in and I don't want you to think
that we have not tried to contact darlinge tanas Day.
This is what happen. And when we tried to contact Darline.

Speaker 19 (32:02):
Kyoda Darling speaking. Sorry I couldn't get to the phone
right away, but see me a quick text message and
I'll get back to your sumi arcane.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
So then we thought, well let's try her husband Christian.

Speaker 20 (32:15):
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have reached us outside the time we were able to
attend to your goal. Please refrain from leaving a message.
Try and tift us it's quicker and better or and
so to be called.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
Thank you, so we got the beeps. We did try
texting as well, but we got nowhere, So apologies for that.
But Chloe's warbroock is going to be up after five
o'clock to talk us through what has kind of played
out today. Hey, did you tune into the three News
bulletin over the weekend? Keen to hear what you thought?
I look, I watched it, haven't watched it for years,
watched it. They've released the figures this afternoon. According to

(32:50):
the ratings, three hundred and forty thousand people five years
and older tuned in to watch on a Saturday. That's
a whopping eighty nine percent more than news hubs Saturday
bulletin a week. So it turns out I wasn't just
the only curious one. I thought that did a pretty
good job. I'm hoping they can keep up the pace.
You're with News Talk zed b back.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Shortly the only drive show you can trust to ask
the questions, get the answers by the facts and give
the analysis.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Heather due to Celan drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected. A News Talk sed.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Be good to have you with us. I'm pretisca if
I've been filling in for Heather tonight, You'll be back
with you tomorrow. Right as we have been talking about Darling,
Tana has resigned from the Green Party but will stay
as an MP for now. The Greens have asked that
she resigned from Parliament all together, but Tana is yet
to respond to that request. A report into allegations of

(33:52):
migrant exploitation at Tana's husband's e bike company was handed
to the party on Friday night, but neither the report
or a summary have been released. Chloe's Warbrook is the
Green Party Coley, don't she joins me? Now, Hi Colder,
why can't you say what's in the report?

Speaker 19 (34:10):
So, just to be crystal clear, our preference mine and
Madama's and our caucuses is for immediate release of that report,
but we have to continue to follow good practice in privacy.

Speaker 21 (34:20):
Rights and law to that effect.

Speaker 19 (34:22):
It's basically about consulting with all of the named parties here.
We're not just talking about Darling, but those who are
involved in making those allegations in other ways. So for
sake of clarity as well, we as of this morning,
have contacted all parties named in the executive summary for
sake of expediency and releasing that as practically possible.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
Is Darlne Tana taking legal action against you all the
party to prevent publication of the report.

Speaker 19 (34:48):
I am not aware of that at this point in time.
We have gone out for consultation and obviously asked for
her to feed back to us with regard to the
release of that report.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Chloe, how bad was the conduct that was detailed on
the report?

Speaker 19 (35:02):
Frankly, it was bad. It was bad to the extent
that myself FROMATAMA have come to the conclusion that this
wasn't a one off instance, but multiple events over several years.
And more so than that that it is our very
strong view that she mislet us as co leaders, which
could have curtailed the need for this independent expert investigation

(35:22):
in the first place.

Speaker 21 (35:23):
The severity of.

Speaker 19 (35:24):
That is of course reflected in us taking that kind
of unprecedented steps as so far as the Greens you know,
to my understanding, have not taken the step in the
past to recommend or to make that recommendation to our
caucus that we request her resignation as a member of parliament.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
In entirety, you mentioned that she went against the values
of the Green Party. What values in particular are you
talking about?

Speaker 21 (35:46):
So look at the stand up today.

Speaker 19 (35:48):
Obviously myself town we all know is Alta, Martha Waker,
Martin pacifica caucus chair, and Rikardo men In. There's March,
who is not only our musterer but also our immigration spokesperson.
Spoke to our values and our proud track record of
advocating for people on planet, but specifically for workers and
for migrant workers' rights. You know, there's plenty that is

(36:09):
out there in the public arena. And I cannot comment
on the content specifically of the report, but what I
can say is that effectively, her behavior and her actions,
and her inability to acknowledge that behavior but also take
accountability for it is in stark contrast to the expectations
that we have not only of Green MP's but of

(36:30):
any member of Parliament.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Does Darline accept the findings of the report?

Speaker 19 (36:37):
Honestly, Francisca, this is something which I would really encourage
you to put to Darlinge. At this point in time.
It's honestly not quite clear what her position, view or
otherwise is. We've made it clear what it is that
we believe has to happen here, which is for her
to resign so that we are all able to move forward,
and that would be my plea. You know, if she
still has any vestige of belief and upholding the Green

(37:00):
Party copopper, but also our foundational belief that no one
person is bigger than the things that we're all fighting for,
then the best way to bring about an end to
all of us and to minimize harm and any collateral
damage is to resign as a member of Parliament.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
So Chloe, if she doesn't resign from parliament, will you
try and force this by invoking the Walker jumping law.

Speaker 19 (37:21):
So this is not a discussion that we've yet had
with our caucus or with our party, as was well
Chevast at the stand up today. Of course, we have
a long track record opposing legislation as well. So that's
why it's important that everybody knows that right now this
ball sits in Darlene's court and we would expect that
the same level of scrutiny that has been applied to

(37:41):
the Green as this investigation has been underway, that there
is due scrutiny now on Darlene Dana and her position.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
But if her behavior is as bad as you say
it has. Would you consider doing that again?

Speaker 19 (37:55):
What I'm saying to you right now is that we
have not made a decision on what happens if Darlene
does not come back to us and accept our request
for her resignation. So yes, absolutely, Look, I am not
in a position to rule things and arount at the moment.
The Greens very proudly make decisions in a collective basis.
So where Darline to put us in a position where
she was not to resign as a member of parliaments,

(38:16):
then of course we would have to go back to
having some form of discussion about what comes next. I'm
telling you that we haven't yet investigated.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
That, thank you. Darlinge is a listing piece. She got
less than three thousand votes. She doesn't have the public
backing to be an independent. Surely you have to force
this issue.

Speaker 19 (38:32):
Yeah, And look, the reality is politically, legislatively or otherwise,
this is really now a matter not only for the
Green Party but also for due public scrutiny. As we've
said from the outset, we spent a lot of time
myself and Martama as co leaders, protecting the integrity and
the natural justice of this independent expert inquiry such that

(38:55):
we could have robust, evidential findings that didn't have any
polase finger on the sky, so that we could come
to very clear decisions on what needed to happen next
without kind of anybody, as I said before putting their
fingers on the scale.

Speaker 22 (39:09):
To that effect.

Speaker 19 (39:09):
Into your question is to whether she has the public
mandate to stay on. Look, she was as she was elected,
rather as you say, as a Green List MP. All
of our List MPs are elected on the basis of
our principles and our values, and thousands of Green volunteers
across the country mobilized to end up getting over three
hundred thousand New Zealanders to put their face, their trust

(39:32):
and their confidence in us past election, and we are
very clear that Duln Tunner's actions, in our very strong view,
has breached all of those things.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Finally, Chloe, is there anything in this report that would
make you consider going to the police.

Speaker 19 (39:47):
No, there's nothing in the report that would currently make
me consider going to police. Know but also, as I
said at the stand up, look, we remain open and
willing to engage with whomever, you know, whatever is needed
terms of getting justice in this process.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
That was Chloe Swarbrick there, the co leader of the
Green Party, and we have just received a statement from
Darlene Tana. I can confirm that I received a copy
of the final report on Saturday morning and attended a
caucus meeting that day where it was discussed. I do
not feel that natural justice has been followed during this process,
and it's Saturday's hue. It seemed clear that a predetermined

(40:26):
view has been formed prior to hearing from me. I
can confirm, as indicated during today's conference with the Green
Party leadership, that I have subsequently resigned as a member
of the Green Party. I'm reading you the press relieve
a statement which has just been released from Darling Tana.
She continues, I want to make it clear that I
do not accept the findings of the report and believe

(40:48):
that it substantially misrepresents the level of my involvement in
my husband's business. This was an investigation into what I
knew and should have disclosed to my party leadership. I'm
therefore deeply concerned by the his summary of the findings.
The report does not say that migrant exploitation has occurred,
let alone that I'm responsible for it in any capacity.

(41:08):
I have only a short time to consider this report
and am taking some time to consider it before making
any further comment. So that has just been released. That
is the statement from Darlene Tanner Right News Talk ZDB
it air is a fifteen past.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Five here the duplicy Ellen right.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Pressure is continuing to mount on US President Joe Biden
to step down on the next election. During a leadership
call over night, a number of senior House Democrats agreed
that Biden should step aside following his disastrous debate last week.
The president has been trying to clear his name doing
media interviews and a pre recorded sit down with ABCN
US we Hear addressed allegations of being unfit for office.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Is a bad episode.

Speaker 23 (41:51):
I no one a keys, very serious, conditional, as exhausted.

Speaker 12 (41:55):
I did listen to my hands. Thanks in terms of
preparents and bad nights.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
Dan Mitchenson is a US correspondent and he joins me.

Speaker 12 (42:04):
Now, how are you doing, Dan hi Franchisa good?

Speaker 4 (42:07):
How much influence do these democrats have, the ones who
were speaking out behind closed.

Speaker 12 (42:12):
Doors, Well quite a bit.

Speaker 24 (42:16):
I mean, if you're to believe reports, they're about a
half dozen of these top members of the House that
held this meeting today and basically they're saying that we
have to get Joe Biden to withdraw from this election.
And mister Biden spent the day at a number of
campaign rallies where he was joking again about his age.
But there are, you know, just more and more people

(42:38):
that don't think he has a chance at this point
to be Donald Trump. So over in this corner you
have the other Democrats who are saying, okay, that would
mean Kamala Harris would have to step up and slide
into the role vacated by Biden.

Speaker 12 (42:52):
But she just doesn't have the it factor.

Speaker 24 (42:53):
I mean, some polls show right now that she's ahead
of mister Biden, maybe by two or three points, but
she hasn't had the support of day Democrats that she
really needs. And yet you can't really bypass her because
that's never been done. Even if you have somebody like
California Democrat Governor Gavin Newsom, who's been circling this party
for some time, despite him saying he's not and will
likely run in the election in twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Eight, Dan, Joe Biden seems very steadfast. I you know,
I don't know if you'll go, well, are these calls
going to continue literally until election day?

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Do you think? Well?

Speaker 12 (43:24):
I think so.

Speaker 24 (43:25):
I think we're going to have to find something out
in the next couple of weeks. I mean, you've got
Adam Smith, who's the ranking member of the Armed Services Committee.
You've got Jim Himes Connecticut, he's a ranking Democrat on
the Intelligence Committee.

Speaker 12 (43:35):
And I mean, you know, they want to give mister
Biden room to.

Speaker 24 (43:39):
Exit the race on his own terms before they make
a call for him to do so. But they're also
aware that there may be no way at this point
to prove to voters that he's not too old for
this task. But I think what's really interesting too, and
there was you know a number of health experts have
talked about this on the talk shows over the weekend
here on TV that said, how we're talking about Biden
right now, treating his age is systematic to a growing

(44:02):
problem in our country, agism. And he's got symptoms that
you know, are basically textbook cases that you find as
people get older. It's we had response time and you
can't find the words and so on. So you combine
that with little sleep, and if you really did have
a call Lake. He said, you know, they're saying that
anybody over the age of forty or forty five would
probably and I.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Don't think that that debate is going to stop as it. Dan, Hey,
thank you for the update. Really appreciate it. News Talk
ZB it is eighteen past five, a lot of techs
coming in. Keep them rolling on ninety two ninety two right.
The Tiano tennis community is celebrating Lulusim's massive achievement at Wimbledon.
Lulu Betbritish start Emma Radicanu in three sets overnight to
reach the Wimbledon quarter finals, the first key we female

(44:44):
to ever do so. And you'll know by now Lulu
grew up in Switzerland, but she was born in Tiano
and Tiano Tennis Club president Greg Shepherd is with me.

Speaker 21 (44:52):
Now, good evening, Good evening, How are we going.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
I'm good. You guys were all together watching last night.

Speaker 25 (44:58):
We had a fair crew last night. Yeah, it was.
It was an epic evening. It was very exciting and
very nerve wrecking.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
She certainly put you through your paces, but that's what
all good sport does. It's a roller coaster. So what
was the atmosphere like when she won.

Speaker 25 (45:14):
Yeah, that was actually it was really good. It was
quite emotional. Actually there was a few tears she had
in the in the clubhouse there, but yeah, I know,
we're all just super proud.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
When did Lulu first join the club?

Speaker 25 (45:27):
We well, the first official game Lulu played for the
Tennis Club was in twenty eighteen at their annual Distinction
to Hotels Tennis Invitational. So we got her in to
do an exhibition match where she played Susie lark And
from Great Britain. But before that we just used to
provide heading partners for her when she'd come back from overseas.
So that was from about the age of thirteen and

(45:49):
she's now outgrown all of heir hitting partners based which
she's superful.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
I was going to say, did it get to you
a point when no one responded to the call out?

Speaker 25 (45:58):
Yeah? No, No, I wasn't enough to go. She would
have killed me. But yeah, I know a lot of
the top top male players went out there and came
back with a tail between the leagues.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Fantastic. How much further do you reckon Lowly will get
a win, Wooden?

Speaker 25 (46:11):
Oh, she's going to go all the way looking at
that drawer. It just seems to be opening up for her.
And I think she's done the tricky matches. I think
she's just she's well. She certainly got some tough games
ahead of her. But she's got a different style game
than the rest of the ladies in there, I believe,
And it's she's just got too much pair, too much skill,
and she just seems so icy cam and cool and collected,

(46:32):
and nothing seems to phase her.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
And hopefully not too exhausted yet.

Speaker 25 (46:36):
No, no, she's just warming up, brilliant.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Have you been to sleep yet?

Speaker 25 (46:41):
No, no, no, no, that all they have done. That's
probably going to happen once with wood and finishes. I
think the phone's been ringing red hot today. I think
we're the would be one of the most famous tennis
clubs in the world at the moment. Seems like it. Anyway.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
If you expecting a few more sign ups this week, a.

Speaker 25 (46:56):
Few more news, yeah, well you even know it's not.
It's not the tennis season, so it's tricky to tell.
But yeah, you never know, this could spur.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
Something, I hope. So, hey, you have a great week,
Thank you so much of your time. That was Greg Shepherd,
who was the Tiano Tennis Club president. It is twenty
three past five.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Allan drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Let's get connected and us dogs.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
That'd be thank you for your feedback this hour. Why
are we so excited about her? I'm talking about Lulu.
She played under the Swiss flag and then switched to
New Zealand. Was the Swiss straw too hard? I've got
no idea and I don't care. I just I'll take her.
You know, she was born in Tiano, her grandparents still
live there. She has returned to New Zealand quite often
played here and I think she's just giving us a

(47:45):
really positive, uplifting story for the week. And I'm going
to take that and I wish you all the best
and really excited that she's going to be playing for
US at the Olympics. And now the text are no
pressure for Lulu plus absolutely outstanding to get as far
as she has essentially top eight female players in the world,
I can letely agree with you. Like she was rated
one hundred and twenty third in the world. I think
that's impressive. Little one get into the quarter fighters in

(48:07):
a grand Slam. I think just being rated in the
world at anything would be absolutely amazing, wouldn't it. So
thank you very much for your takes a look with
the cynicism continues, Hi frand scrip. It's almost like the
Greens time to the release of today when both the
Hosk and he the Duplicity eleanor Away, they've both been
giving the Greens grief for this about this for the

(48:28):
last one hundred days. Word, I think they were just lucky.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
The day's newsmakers talk to Heather first, Heather Duplicy Allan
Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and news
talk as they'd.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Be light.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
Now, don't forget that coming up here on hither to
person Alan Drive. I'm already changing the name of her
show for just after six o'clock, Chris Bishop is going
to be with us, of course, Associate Finance Minister. He's
going to be joining us to talk about a variety
of things. He also, of course is a sports minister.
What a good gig that would be. I think that's
that'll be what you'd go for. A few decided to

(49:21):
get development right, so let's get a bit of an
explainer about what is actually happening now. In the case
of Darling Tana, as it stands, she was elexed on
the Greens list but resigned her membership of the party.
In her electorate, she came a distant third with fewer
than three thousand votes. So Darling Tanner lest her statement
in the past half hour, saying she does not accept
the findings of the report and is deeply concerned by

(49:43):
the party's summary of the findings. She says the report
does not say that migrant exploitation occurred, let alone that
she is responsible for it in any capacity. Tana says
she's only had a short time to consider the report
and will be taking some time to consider it. So
political analyst Bryce Edwardsman Victoria University of Wellington is with us.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Now.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
How are you doing? Bryce?

Speaker 8 (50:05):
Not so bad?

Speaker 4 (50:06):
Francesca, what do you make of Darling's response?

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (50:10):
Look, this is her only response she can make if
she wants to fight to stay in Parliament, she will
have to contest what the Greens are saying, and if
she is to have any sort of argument justification for staying,
it's that she hasn't been treted barely and that the
investigation is in correct. Otherwise it's hard to see how

(50:31):
she's got a leg to stand on. So yeah, it's
quite surprising, and until the Greens are ready to release
that report, it's really hard for the public to judge
her arguments that she's still innocent.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
What are the options here for Darling stay as an independent?

Speaker 8 (50:50):
Oh yeah, she's been elected and to write to stay
there unless the Greens and bring in the Walker jumping legislation.
All they have to do is essentially right to the Speaker.
There's a bit more to it. They need to get

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the permission of their membership and they need to give
Darling Tana a twenty one day's notice and a chance
for her to address this idea. But essentially they write
to the Speaker and say, look, we've lost one of
our MPs. Darling Tana is no longer a Green member
of caucus and that thoughts the proportionality of Parliament, and

(51:34):
then the Speaker essentially dismisses her. But of course whether
they do that is a big question because.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
There have always opposed the jumping, don't they.

Speaker 8 (51:45):
Yes, But of course they now benefit from it, so
they're going to have to I mean, unless Darling Tana
chooses to resign, they're going to have to decide whether
they just put up with her being there or whether
they look like hypocrites or opportunists by using something they

(52:05):
are fundamentally opposed to.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
So, Bryce, how do you see this whole thing playing out?

Speaker 8 (52:11):
Look, it's a bit hard to say at this stage,
but I think she's likely Darling Towna likely to stay
as an independent. She could even join a party liked
Pardy Marie, because otherwise it's going to be very lonely
with her by herself in Parliament, and you know she'll
we have a huge pressure, so it won't be an
easy ride if she chooses to step But of course

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it might just the pressure might get to her and
she might want to move away from politics and tiling.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
I think we'd all quite like to move on, Bryce,
one and sixteen days. You know, this investigation's gone on.
We're all over it.

Speaker 8 (52:44):
It is quite fast. Coal and the Greens haven't really
fronted up about why it's taking so long and why
they haven't been more transparent about what's going on, And
so I don't think there's a lot of sympathy at
the moment for the Greens or Darlene Tanner, and it
doesn't really reflect well on any of them a moment,
so I think they're all kind of the losers in
the situation.

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Speaker 3 (53:22):
Hello?

Speaker 25 (53:22):
Very well.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Okay, I'm exhausted by this whole thing. We've been talking
about it for one hundred and fifteen days. Trish, what
do you make of the Greens calling for her resignation
from Parliament?

Speaker 26 (53:32):
This is an absolute nightmare for the Greens. It's their
worst nightmare, I think. And there were absolute scenes at
this press conference today, scenes that I had never imagined
the Greens or that they would have imagined they were facing.
For instance, they were facing questions from one of the
journalists in the press gallery about is the Greens an

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unsafe space for Wahini Mahis? Are they racist? I mean,
you know, I think the Greens had never thought they
were be facing those questions. And you know, thinking about
what has just been said from Bryce about the possibility
of if Darlene stayed there could be the possibility that

(54:13):
she could join to party Madi, there seemed to be
a narrative if you think about that. Today, developing this
has been very shoddy for the Greens. The process has
taken way too long. I was amazed today though about
how tough Chloe Swarbrick was in that press conference.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
It was very ungreen like.

Speaker 26 (54:34):
It was a one eighty difference between the press conference
held around around Goldras Garinaeum earlier in the year, where
it was all about you know, her wonderful pedigree and everything,
and very little about the shoplifting.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
Problems.

Speaker 26 (54:51):
So the next few days are going to be interesting.
The Greens obviously wanted a quick resignation from Darlene over
the weekend. They wanted her to did be out of
caucus and out of Parliament. So today they could have
had a clean press conference and gone it's all dealt with.
I just don't think that's going to happen for them now.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
I got very short curt answers from Chloe Swarbrick today, Nick,
which is quite unusual. You know, what do you make
of this whole scenario? What do you think Darling will do.

Speaker 25 (55:23):
Well?

Speaker 21 (55:23):
If her behavior today has anything to go by, She's
going to dig in and not cooperate with the party hierarchy.
Lo the Greens are you know this is this is
not just an isolated incident in the sense that they've
had a tumultuous few months. Some of that is with

(55:43):
MP behavior, some of it is with tragedy with official
columns as passing. James Shaw of course has left. They
want this now to go away, and my view is
that they've really got to invoke the Wucker Jumping Act
if they want to preserve any credibility here. This is

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the Wucker Jumping Act is about preserving As Bryce Edwoods says,
the proportionality of parliament. Having a member of Parliament, a
member of your corkers, go west and do whatever they
like is not really what the spirit of MMP is about.
She was appointed by the party in electronalist. They need

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to clean house and they need to move on. And
I hope that that Chloe shwawbricks mood of today and
the attitude that she has shown will continue and we'll
get to that outcome where darning Tana is removed from
Parliament and the Greens get their next person up.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
We haven't seen the report, obviously, tris this is the problem.
We haven't seen the report. It's so frustrating. But Chloe's
telling us it's really bad. You've got done and going no,
it's not too bad at all. The Wacker jumping route.
It almost feels tresh like it's going to come down
to who the what the Green or who the Greens
hates more? You know, of which are they're going.

Speaker 5 (57:06):
To go either way?

Speaker 26 (57:08):
There are dead rats to swallow. And again that's one
of the problems for the Greens today that they couldn't
release the report today. So what they've said is, and
I understand there are privacy issues around it because obviously
in that report it names a lot of I imagine the
individuals who had raised issues through the report. So they've
got to get you know, get it cleared to be

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able to release it. I think that's probably the issue
with the report. So they couldn't release that. So we're
having to take a sort of Chloe on her word
about how bad it is. But this is what tells me,
something has gone terribly wrong here. Think about how strident
Chloe was in her language about not only the severity

(57:50):
of the seriousness of what you know allegedly Darlene has
has done, but Chloe Lou used words like I feel betrayed.
On the other side, in Darlene's statement today, you have
her saying, effectively, this was just about what she did
or didn't know, and it's not that she was involved
in the alleged behavior. So it's like black and white

(58:14):
at this point.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Okay, don't you think, though, Nick, if we're going to
have independent investigations and they're going to take one hundred
and fifteen hundred and sixteen days, if you take part
in it, should you not just sign a form then
and there that says that you are happy for the
report to be released. I don't understand why we're chasing
these people.

Speaker 21 (58:33):
Look, I'm involved in a review not quite as controversial
as this, but nonetheless sensitive at the moment, and those
sort of undertakings can be given upfront to people who
are interviewed. That's not hard. But of course it's always
going to be sensitive, But nonetheless there's significant public interest here.

(58:57):
I also note that the Green said they were funder
this themselves after a certain amount of time had elapsed,
but it turns out it turns out they're just funding
it through the Parliamentary leader's budget, so taxpayers are paying
either way. There's just a bit of less discretionary funding
I think for the Greens now that they've chosen to

(59:18):
fund it from there from the leader's budget. But look,
it does need to be drawn to a close. If
you're the Green Party, you're actually doing pretty well in
the polls despite everything that's going on. You do not
need this to continue. You want to be on the
job of opposition at a time when you think that
there is significant capital to be made opposing the new government.

(59:41):
So it is this, This will needs to This will
continue to bleed unless they can actually take an action,
and that action appears to be going down the Wucker
jumping route.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
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Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
Trish Herson and Nick Leggett are with me. Trish, forty
thousand people in New Zealand go without power each year
because they can't pay the power bills. Consumer thinks power
should not be shut off for people who don't pay.
Is it realistic?

Speaker 26 (01:00:16):
Well, it's a great headline for consumer, but if you
dig under it, how on earth is that going to happen?
And actually, we have to pay for power. That's just
the way that it works. I do know also that
for the major power companies now, because of the tragic
circumstances that happened back in two thousand and seven, where

(01:00:39):
you know, if Afarno was cut off who relied on
on power and was a very terrible event, power companies
now have to go through a number of steps before
there is a disconnection, and on the flip side, to
get people back on there are a number of options,
like the kind of prepayment in your home that you

(01:01:02):
can have. I just I don't think it's realistic to say,
you know that we can just have a situation where
people don't have to pay Nick is par too expensive?

Speaker 25 (01:01:14):
Well?

Speaker 21 (01:01:15):
Everything's too expensive, isn't it. I mean I think that
what we're we're looking at here is hardship is increasing
across the board. I don't think any kere We likes
the idea of a children living in a home and
winter that doesn't have the power on, and I think
that there should be steps to support people who are

(01:01:37):
living in energy hardship. If you think about you know,
we live in a cold country in winter, and housing
we know in many parts of the country is not
up to the standard that actually preserves or enhances people's health.
Turning the electricity off adds to that for children. So
I think it's more around the support of people, the
better support of people who are suffering hardship. It's the

(01:01:59):
approach that both places like MSD can take, but also
the power companies themselves, like Trish. You can't just say
you're never going to cut off people's power because you
actually empower people in those instances who deliberately won't pay
a bill and never have any will never have any

(01:02:19):
intention of doing so. So we've got to be sensible here.
But I think that it's also around sensitivity to those
who are in circumstances and who are vulnerable where their
health is going to be impacted, and particularly children. So
it's just it's a policy approach. It's not a black
or white situation.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
Oh look, I couldn't agree more. Let's get to the
really serious topic of the day. Our prices might be
going up, but grocery supplies keep shrinking our food. So
my producer is very concerned that biscuits are getting smaller.
It might be a good thing for the waistline. I
personally am fed up of opening a packet of chips
and there's just no chips in there. And people tell
me you need air in that chip bag, but there's
only third the packs field with the third of chips.

(01:03:02):
It's ridiculous trash that.

Speaker 26 (01:03:04):
Well, this is my personal, my personal little rant on this.
One of my favorite things in the is the marshmallow
Easter eggs that you get with the yolk in the center.

Speaker 8 (01:03:15):
Yep.

Speaker 26 (01:03:16):
A couple of years ago Cadbury just cut the egg
and well it's not even egg now, it's just half
a sort of a half round chocolate marshmallow. I find
that so outrageous and so not in the spirit.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
Of Well, it's not in the spirit of Easter?

Speaker 26 (01:03:32):
Is it because they didn't know?

Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
Did you be angry about it? Just mingji, It's just
you've got a pet winge.

Speaker 15 (01:03:41):
With this nick.

Speaker 21 (01:03:43):
Well, I'd like to second that, because I too look
forward to those eggs every year. The other one. I mean,
for me, it's the it's the biscuits, right, they shrink,
and you know the we buy kids those chocolate chippy
sort of they've got the sort of chocolate chips and
my cameral they're called. I'm quite partial to them myself.
They have shrunk and look part of it. You're absolutely

(01:04:06):
right our waistlines would be thankful, but actually you're paying
the same. Actually you're paying more for less. And when
you buy those bags of chippies, you're not paying for
the fresh air of the bag. You're paying for the content,
i e.

Speaker 9 (01:04:19):
The chips.

Speaker 21 (01:04:20):
So look, you can understand that this is economizing on
behalf of food manufacturers, but you're going to annoy customers.
And I think that people should be given the option to,
you know, to pay a bit more to get a
bit more, and we're not given that option at the moment,
and that to me seems pretty unfair.

Speaker 26 (01:04:39):
In good news, I saw out of the States today
a story from some of those very big multinational supplies
saying we can't we can't do this kind of stuff
anymore because of pressure on from around.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
The cost of living. I think basically we've been told
that we just have to make these things ourselves. Trasherson
and Nick Legott, thank you so much for your time
today five to five five.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
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Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Heather Duplicy allan drive with One New Zealand one Giant
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Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Very much for all your feedback. Someone else has mentioned
shower gel. The holes are getting bigger, so it will
use twice as much soap. Yeah, I had that problem
with shampoo recently as well. Paters, let me know that
the air is needed to keep the chips fresh, and
I know that, but there are definitely less chips in
the packet. There's always been some air in the packet, Peter.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
I know that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
I know that's why it's there. But you open up
a packet now and you go, hey, fake family, let's
all share this packet of chips, and goodness me, really
you need to tell two members of the family to
go off and do something else so that you know
two of you can eat the chips. It's just it's
not satisfactory. I'll get to more of your text next hour.
Thank you very much for sending them through. Don't forget
that after news which is next here on News Talks,

(01:05:52):
he'd be Chris Bership, the Associate Finance Minister, is going
to be with us. You're with News Talks. Hereby quotes,
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Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
We're Business Insight the business hours with my HR on
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Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
AV good to have you with us. I'm Francisca Rudkins
filling in for Heather tonight with you until seven pm now.
Nicola Willison is also away today but standing in for
her as the Finance Minister. Chris Bishop, he's also the
Associate Finance Minister. How's Housing Minister, Infrastructure Minister and Sports minister?
Is really quite exhausting, Chris.

Speaker 27 (01:06:45):
Just coming through that it's the old time.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
Let's talk about Darlene Tanner. What should happen to her?

Speaker 25 (01:06:53):
Wow?

Speaker 27 (01:06:54):
This a chakra, isn't it?

Speaker 8 (01:06:55):
It's real.

Speaker 27 (01:06:55):
Look, it's really over to the Greens. They've coming out
today and said that basically to stand down as an MP.
I see a statements just come through from her saying
at least for the moment, she's not doing that. She
gets the findings of the report. She says they haven't
given her any natural justice. It seems to be a
bit of a stitch up. As my sort of general
take on it. I don't know the actual facts of it.

(01:07:15):
I don't think anyone does. You know, obviously people have
seen the public reporting around allegations of migrant exploitation and
things like that. She's now been under investigation for longer
than she's actually been an MP, and you know, at
vast expense. So look, it's a bit of a mess. Really,
it's over to them to sort it out, but all
feels pretty messy. She's now an independent MP. Of course

(01:07:37):
in the Parliament, the Greens can't actually make her resign
as an MP, so they've essentially expelled her from the caucus.
It feels like a bit of a mess to me.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
So is this a clear case for a walker jumping Bill.

Speaker 27 (01:07:50):
Wellsation. It's quite technical. The first thing, the Greens have
historically opposed to walker jumping to be feather them. They've
had a very principle position against it. And then secondly,
from memory, I haven't read the Act for a while,
you do have to show that the person who's expelled
from the party X disproportionately so that she would have

(01:08:12):
to start voting against the Greens on things, and of
course it's only just happened today and there haven't been
any votes in Parliament or anything like that, so let's
just wait and see. But it feels to me like
they won't they won't use it because historically that's been
very opposed to it, So let's just wait and see.
But's it's pretty messy, isn't it. And it feels feels
to me, Francesca, like there's a bit of a way
to run on this.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
Unfortunately, Minister, you made a call last week to flood
New Zealand with housing. Are you surprised by the backlash
against the shoe box shoe box housing?

Speaker 27 (01:08:41):
Well, I don't know if there'd be if I would
call it a backlash, it's been a bit of public
debate around it. I mean, I just made this simple
point that yep, shoebox apartments, they aren't for everybody, but
you know there are a lot bigger than people living
in cars and tents, which is you know, definitely the
case in New Zealand right now, and so you know,
small apartments aren't going to be for every everybody, but
it's about housing choice and we need smaller apartments. We

(01:09:03):
need bigger apartments. We need suburban houses, we need duplexes,
we need terraced houses, we need townhouses, we need big mensions.

Speaker 25 (01:09:10):
We need everything.

Speaker 27 (01:09:11):
We need all of the above. And that's what our
housing policy is about creating. Is about housing choices and
housing supply so that people can choose the way they
live their lives. And at the moment, we've got over
two thousand families living in motels, we've got people living
in cars, we've got people living in tents, we've got
people on the social housing wait list, and we've got
people paying very very high rents to live in not
particularly nice conditions. So solving our housing crisis is about

(01:09:34):
fixing the underlying courses of that, which is land supply
inside our cities and at the edges of our cities
and different housing typologies. And that's what we're about creating.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
But you can understand why councils are concerned about the infrastructure.

Speaker 27 (01:09:45):
Around us, absolutely and absolutely, and we're working away on that.
And there's the sort of three pillars to our housing policy.
One is land supply. We made then announce around that
last week. The second is the infrastructure all so that
growth can pace growth, making sure we can build the
infrastructure required to support that. And we're working away on that,

(01:10:06):
and I have more to say in the next you
know a few months around that. And then the third
part of it is incentives for councils, because I hear
the call of councils and they say, well, you know,
you guys in the central government, you get all the
upside from new houses, we get all the downside. We
get none of the none of the benefits. So you know,
share the love a bit. So I understand that, and
we're working away on that and we're committed to that

(01:10:27):
as well. So all of those, all of that stuff's underway,
but it's pretty exciting. You know, we're making really good
changes to fix our housing crisis.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
Auguran Council voted to oppose your request to increase speed
limits again. Is this organ council telling you to side
off again?

Speaker 27 (01:10:43):
Chris, Well, this is this is Augrom Council being a
bit political. I think we campaigned on reversing the blanket
speed limit reductions of the last government and we consider
ourselves to have a mandate to do that. And it's
not to say that you don't need lower speeds around schools,
you do, and we're in favor of that. But this

(01:11:04):
kind of blanket approach of lywering, you know, vast swaths
of city streets down to thirty conglor is an hour,
we don't think is the right thing to do, and
that's why we campaigned on it and we now implementing
that policy. It's out for consultation, so the councilor will
have a a submission as part of that consultation process,

(01:11:24):
and there'll be a variety of different views out there
in the community, but we're going to proceed with it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
Are you happy for counsels to do what they feel
is best for their city.

Speaker 27 (01:11:33):
Well within limits. I mean, you know, we have a
clear policy and a clear rule that simi in Browns
advance in this Minister of Transport and so government has
a policy and you know what, there is obviously some
discretion within that, but you know, the broad policy of

(01:11:53):
the government is that we are reversing the blanket speed
lit reductions and actually in areas where you can increase
them up to you know, one hundred and ten and
we're consulted one hundred and twenty on four lane very
safe roads. You know, we'll do that as well.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
How much does it cost to change all this again, Well.

Speaker 27 (01:12:11):
Will be undoubtedly about some costs, but there's some cost
to lower the speed limits, so there'll be a cost
to reverse them. But as I say, we campaigned on it.
It was a popular policy that the National government and
Act as well for that matter, campaigned on, So there
will be some cost, but I think it'll be worth it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
There was a story over the weekend about public sector
employees getting pay rises by getting their annual leave paid out.
This doesn't seem like hugely controversial to me because I
know a lot of people who you know, they might
have quite a lot of holidays owed and they're allowed
to cash them in.

Speaker 27 (01:12:44):
Is that essentially what's happening here as I understand it,
that's what's happening. So actually, National back in two thousand
and nine allowed employees to cash up a week and
manual leave, which is essentially what they're doing. So I
don't have a problem with it. That's the way the
laws meant to You can cash it up if you like.
Is it a pay rise, well, I mean it's more money.

(01:13:05):
That's the reason why people do it. I don't think
it's right to call it a pay rise.

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
It's just cashing up and you'll leave which they've accumulated.
I presume, I presume you're doing this because you want
to get you want to get the I mean it
generally happens when you've accumulated too much and companies get
uncomfortable with how much you're sitting on.

Speaker 27 (01:13:21):
Right Yeah, well yeah exactly if the flip side is
you know you're not taking the leave, so you're catching
it up. So you know, it's about an extra extra
choice for people. Really, it's people. You know, people are
going to make the decisions that best fit them.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
With your sports minister hat on, how good? So no soon,
isn't she fantastic?

Speaker 27 (01:13:43):
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant quarterfinal and she knocked over Emma RADICANU fantastic.
So I'm looking forward to watching the quarter final. I
mean imagine if she went all the way that would
just be amazing, you know. So I think it's awesome
for the on sport, and I've noticed a lot of
interest in atually just the last you know, twenty four
forty eight hours as she's marched on and how amazing

(01:14:05):
that she was a qualifier had to fight through the
qualified tournament. I was reading today that she is the
first qualifier to make the fourth round or the quarters
for quite a long time. I don't have the exact
I don't know the exact stats with me, but you know,
incredible that that very really happens.

Speaker 15 (01:14:21):
Right.

Speaker 27 (01:14:22):
Normally, what happens is a qualify goes through the qualifying
tournament and you know, they're exhausted, they get to the
first round, they get knocked over by one of the
top seeds in the first round. She's managed to make
it all the way through to the quarters. So it's
pretty amazing, which is why.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
Emma Radakanu was talking about her being dangerous, because that's
exactly how she got through the US Open and ended
up winning the title as well qualified and then went
on to win. So if she does get to the final,
do you believe that really there should be a representative
from the government at Wimbledon.

Speaker 27 (01:14:53):
I hadn't even thought about that. I mean, that would
be there's just wait and see Lusia's wait and see.
I think I'm pretty flute, pretty flat tak in the
next next week or so, but it would be pretty amazing,
no doubt. If she does make the Grand Final. I've
no doubt that our very hard working High commissioner over there,

(01:15:13):
sil Goth would I'm sure be delighted to represent you
Center Court, to represent the government. But that would be amazing.
But she's also gone to the Olympics in August for
the New Zealand so she's playing doubles with Aaron Rotliff
at the at the Olympics. So you know, you know,
I'm not I'm not sure we were thinking about a
medal through the Olympics as part of the tennis team,

(01:15:35):
but it'd be amazing to pack up of medal. Who knows.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
Chris Boshop, thank you so much for your time today.
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 25 (01:15:43):
Thank you.

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Speaker 12 (01:17:05):
News talk said, be.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
Right, thank you for the feedback. The chip talk continues.
Robbie tells where the error there is to stop the
chips getting crushed. That too makes a lot of sense,
but Robbie is still not enough chips anyway, I'm going
to move on from that or hang on, we will talk.
But Dave sent through a text there is so much
noise regarding the supermarkets inflating prices. Your lighthearted bit on
product sizes reducing reflects the reality that most of the

(01:17:30):
food price increases come from suppliers. The largest suppliers are
making far more than the supermarkets and are happy to
support the commerce. Commissions focus on retailers who in reality
operate on fairly low and fixed margins, albeit high volume.
They want to fix food pricing, go to will source
and stop the largest supply inflating their margins. So this
commistry is very skewed. We even have an ex food

(01:17:52):
manufacturer as the commissioner, and Dave continues that the commissioner
stopped the supermarkets bringing in an alternative wheat to protect
his company's profits as so Max went to court and loss. Look,
we were just making the point. They're not putting the
prices up, but they're finding other ways in order to
deal We're all dealing with the crisis somewhere. We're all
dealing with the increased costs in products and manufacturing products especially,

(01:18:17):
and this is just the way they're sort of countering it.
But it'd be nice if there was just a you know,
an honest chat about it, maybe talking about the housing.
Pushing infrastructure costs onto developers and other text reads ultimately
puts the cost onto the buyers or renters excessive rate
increases of eighteen percent or more in Wellington, of forcing
costs on to end users, the tenants. And this is

(01:18:40):
of course one of the arguments that people are putting forward,
saying it doesn't matter what size property you build, they
are still going to struggle to be affordable. It is
twenty one past six news storks a b.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
It's the Business Hour thanks to my HR the HL
platform for sme on.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
Joining me now is Shane Solely from Harbord Asset Management.
How are you, Shane, hang on, I've got a fine chant.
I've got it all the way to the top. Here
here he is. That was my problem before, Shane.

Speaker 17 (01:19:17):
How are you?

Speaker 22 (01:19:18):
Yeah, well you're Francisco and really well yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
Yeah, good, thank you. Apologies. I was in It was
in a text queue there and I missed you at
the top. Now tell me the Reserve Bank's next monetary
policy statement is due on Wednesday and it's widely expected
to keep the cash rate on hold.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Is that right?

Speaker 22 (01:19:36):
That's right, that's right, that's right. And today we've had
this injured I shadow Board, which is made up of
nine private sector economists, business people, academics, and they've come
out and said, you know what this ghastline, the bit
of slacking. The labor market place has falling back, but
not enough in their opinion for the Reserve Bank, and
you're going to start cutting rights. But interesting there's a
couple of bit of contention than in the group. There

(01:19:57):
is your members thinking that early next year it needs
to happen. In one board number she said they should
be cutting now. So we're getting closer, and I think
interest rate markets are starting to think about it the
members when most people in the market I think about cuts,
and if we look forward to July next year, about
one percy that cuts baked. And so it's a little
bit of tough times for borrowers to come but getting

(01:20:18):
near a turning point.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
Perhaps we have been well forwarned about that though, haven't
we shame? I mean, a lot of people are thinking
it's going to be sort of early twenty twenty five even.

Speaker 22 (01:20:26):
Yeah, and that's right. And so what we're seeing globally
is central banks getting to the end. They can see
that the medicine of higher interest rates is working, but
they just want to see it really get on top
of inflation. And so I think if you're a central banker,
you're going to wait. You're going to wait for things
to get particularly the heat coming out of inflation. But

(01:20:46):
the economy is really coming down hard. We all notice,
we can see it. And that's going to what's lead
is going to lead this cutting cycle.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
Do you think the bank might indicate a bit more
regarding the timing of any potential cut.

Speaker 22 (01:20:59):
Yeah, great Christian process, because I think this is a
thinking about thinking about where we might be thinking about
thinking about cutting rates. That is something that is probably
not necessarily bakedon to capital markets, not into interestrate forecast.
And that's what we'll all be looking for as this
is in the next few days, is on Wednesdays, there's
some Hey, we're thinking about it. We're starting to see

(01:21:21):
the tighter interest rates, the restraint on availability. It didn't
really start to hammer home.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
Contact Energy's share price took ahead today. What happened Jane.

Speaker 22 (01:21:32):
Yeah, look, Contact has been our great story from New Zealander.
This is they've done a good job of growing their
generation capability of the literacy generation. But they're coming out
today and cut their earnings for gusts and it really
comes down to a little bit of technical stuff around
this new portfolio of particularly geofilmal generation, just some slow
down in terms of when the new generation geo thermal

(01:21:55):
plant comes on. At the same time, they don't have
access to the gas that used to be used to
fill this generating requirements, so they've said we've got to
go and buy electricity in the open market. It's going
to cost us more because we don't have the GFM
or plants. We've got some outlages coming through and we
just can't get excess to the gas. So they've trimmed.

(01:22:16):
Thereforecas on earning. Bit of a surprise. Haven't seen next
a little while from Contact. So yeah, share prizing it
up down four percent today at eight dollars seventy eight,
so give us surprise.

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
Thank you so much, Shane, good to catch up with you.
That was Shane Soley. They're from Harvard Asset Management. Coming
up shortly are the dairy processing companies, so they have
a dual die shareholder vote this Thursday. We're going to
talk about what is potentially going to take place that
is coming up here on you still ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
It's all on the Business Hour with my HR, the
HR platform for SME US talks that'd be still.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
Become this Our UK correspondent Gavin Gray will be with
us for right now. Teetering dairy processing company Sinlay's do
or die shareholder voters this Thursday, and a major shareholder
is keeping mum on how they'll vote. The voter is
on whether to accept one hundred and thirty million dollar
loan from Bright Dairy, which itself phones thirty nine percent
of Sinlay, in order to repay some bank loans before

(01:23:35):
they become due next week. So Bright Dairy can't vote
as they have a conflict of interest, so fifty one
percent of the remaining shareholders need to approve the loan
for it to go through. A two Milk, which has
been feuding with Sinley since last year, is Sinleay's second
biggest shareholder and hasn't said how it'll cast its votes.
George Adams is the chair of sin Lane. He's with
me now, Hi, George, Hi for Jessica. So if this

(01:23:58):
loan doesn't get shareholder, what.

Speaker 9 (01:24:00):
Happens pretty much are running out of runway Francesco on
on on sin Lay.

Speaker 21 (01:24:07):
So who you know.

Speaker 9 (01:24:08):
What it brings into really the future viability of the business,
And we have to sit there and have a very
hard conversation with our bank and obviously our other shareholder Bright.
They might have some thoughts, but ultimately then it brings
into question things like volutary administration or receivership.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
Are you sure that you can get the money from
Bright Dairy?

Speaker 9 (01:24:31):
A lot of assure you get the money from Bright
Dairy for sure for one hundred and thirty million dollars up.

Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
Absolutely shouldn't this be a glorified rubber stamp from the
shareholders If they don't want their avesement to evaporate, then
they have to approve it, right.

Speaker 9 (01:24:48):
You describe it particularly particularly sensibly. So I think it
should be. But clearly I can't as a director. I'm
setting you're, you know, at the best, really a shareholder.
So they need to tell me what they want to
do going forward, and obviously the vote on Thursday gives
them the opportunity to do that, and I very much
would hope that they would vote for it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
Have you asked A two what they're going to do?

Speaker 9 (01:25:10):
Oh, I mean, we're in constant dialogue with A two
and they're very much aware of the fact that the
vote is on Thursday. And look, there's really not anything
particularly MACKI valiant about it. They just simply have not
told us what way they are going to vote. They
may vote for, they may vote against, they may abstain.
I just don't know. So hopefully we'll find that out

(01:25:33):
before Thursday.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
Why haven't they told you, Well, you have to.

Speaker 9 (01:25:37):
Ask them that, but you know they do have to frankly,
but it is a piece of material information and we
are required to give that level of material information to
the market if we have it. That's the reason for
the announcements.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
And to think, you say, you'll need a good turnout
of A two doesn't vote the way you want. Do
you think you will get a good turnout?

Speaker 9 (01:26:00):
I mean, you can never anticipate, to be honest, to
protest it. So what you try to do is try
to give shareholders as much opportunity to have their say
as possible, which is one of theans.

Speaker 25 (01:26:11):
You and I are talking.

Speaker 9 (01:26:14):
But clearly the balance of our shareholders, who own around
forty one percent of their business, if they don't get
out and vote and A two, for example, voted against,
then really they've want to got themselves to.

Speaker 8 (01:26:28):
Blame.

Speaker 9 (01:26:29):
So what we want to do is want to make
sure that there's no regrets on Friday morning that they've
put out and they've had their say.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
Is that the most important thing that you want the
shareholders to know, George? Anything else?

Speaker 9 (01:26:39):
Pretty much that's it is. It's it's do or die
on Thursday. We really appreciate if you tell us what
you what way you want to vote on Thursday.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
If you get your way, how long will this money last?
I mean, is this going to change the future or
are you going to be requiring more input at some point?

Speaker 22 (01:27:00):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (01:27:00):
No, we've been.

Speaker 9 (01:27:01):
We've we've been. We've been, super tigger, Frances. This is this,
This just buys us time to put the rest of
our deleveraging proposals into place. Ideally, clearly, this gets us
through the life down for the banks and then post
that we will be coming back to the market with

(01:27:23):
a few on an equal areas. We're just working through
that and whenever we have a full details on that,
well we will come back to the market. But for sure,
this this is this is the first step. This isn't
but this is not the full the full solution.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
George Beast of Black on Thursday and hope you will.

Speaker 22 (01:27:43):
Jeers.

Speaker 4 (01:27:44):
That was George Adams. He was the chair of Sinlove
right most of us, I don't think we pay a
huge amount of attention to elections which are taking place
around the world. But actually twenty twenty four is this
really fascinating year for democracy. With more than eighty countries
hold elections, it is the biggest election year in global history.
So roughly half the world's population are going to have

(01:28:06):
the opportunity to cast a vote in local, regional, legislative
or presidential elections. It's amazing, it's really interesting. And elections
have already been held in places such as South Africa
and India and Taiwan and the UK with some pretty
interesting results. And then of course we had France in
the weekend as well. French centralists and left wing voters
breed the sigh of relief as the left wing Alliance

(01:28:26):
did better than expected in the election exit poll for
the National Assembly. The New Popular Front has emerged as
the shock winner in France's snap election over the National Rally.
But what this means is a hung election of three
opposing blocks with hugely different platforms who don't work together.
So we've got months of gridlock ahead while we wait
to see if the government can be formed. France can't

(01:28:48):
hold another election for a year under their constitution, So
another very interesting election, but a very frustrating time for
the French. But you know what, it is summer and
the Olympics are about to start, so there is quite
a lot to distract people with. And then of course
we've got the big show which is taking place in
the US and getting so much our attention. With the

(01:29:11):
President Biden doubling down this weekend on remaining on the
ticket as the Democratic nominee. How can you not be
utterly fascinated with what is happening around the world when
it comes to politics and these elections. As I say,
it's this biggest election here in global history. Interestingly, though,
I discovered in the weekend when I was reading about

(01:29:33):
the French election, actually that you know how we have
these terms that we just use freely, the left wing
and the right wing, and they're used as these symbolic
labels for you liberals and conservatives discovered where those expressions
actually originally came from, and it was the French Revolution. Yeah,

(01:29:55):
so we have actually gained something from French politics. And
it goes right back to seventeen eighty nine when members
of the French National Assembly they were drafting a constitution.
They were trying to work out how much authority the
king should have, and as the debate carried on, these
two main factions kind of each staked out territory in
the Assembly hailed So the anti royalists, the revolutionaries, they

(01:30:16):
seated themselves to the left, and the more conservative aristocratic
supporters of the monarchy they went to the right. And
that's sort of how it kind of began. Newspapers began
making reference to the progressive left and the traditionalist right.
That was in the seventeen nineties, and by the mid
nineteenth century, left and right had even expanded to center left,
center right, extreme left, extreme right. But interestingly, their terms,

(01:30:41):
they weren't common in English speaking countries until the early
twentieth century, and these are now the terms that we
of course describe used to describe sort of opposing ends
of the political spectrum, not just where you're sitting. But
of course we still sit, don't we on opposite side?

Speaker 27 (01:30:57):
So there we go.

Speaker 4 (01:30:58):
You can saw that and you hoho gives a file
for some point when you potentially need it. That's where
the origins of left and right came from in politics.
It is a fifteen to seven newstalksib.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates of the Business
Hour with my HR, the HR platform for SME Newstalk zib.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
Hey UK correspondent Devin Gray joins us now.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Hikevin Good, Mine brand ethca good to talk to you.

Speaker 4 (01:31:25):
I've just been talking about how fascinating elections are around
the world at the moment, and the French election in
the weekend, but riots of erupted in France. I have
a night following the most Well, this shocking result.

Speaker 23 (01:31:39):
Yeah, I mean it was pretty shocking because the far
right national Ally Party had done so well in the
first round, getting one in three of all the boats
that were carved, and has then seemingly become third place
in the second round. Why Well, because there was a
loose coalition of centrist and left wing parties that basically
got together. They don't seem have any other raison vectra

(01:32:01):
other than blocking the national Rally party and succeeded in
doing exactly that. So candidates dropped out are from the
left and center parties in order just to have one
left and center party candidate taking on the National Rally
and try and coalesce to gather those supporters around them,
and they have succeeded in that, and that led to

(01:32:22):
some pretty violent riots and demonstrations across France last night,
with left wing protesters taking to the pavements against the
expected right wing game, and then of course violence breaking
out again when the results came out. Protester's picture throwing
smoke flares into the streets, demonstrators in Paris setting bins

(01:32:42):
on fire and vehicles on fire, and also pictures on
social media showing the police rushing in towards the flames
with Protesta's throwing projectiles at them and it looks like
using tear gas at those demonstrators, And this was after
thirty thousand police officers have been on duty during that

(01:33:03):
second runoff vote on Sunday, and that was quite simply
because they really did fear some major, major unrest on
the streets. The question now for France is what next?
Because I haven't got this loose coalition in place, they
doesn't have that many policies that they all seem to
agree on.

Speaker 4 (01:33:22):
How long is it going to take? Vinck?

Speaker 23 (01:33:26):
Yeah, I think this could take a month actually to
work its way through. And the bizarre thing about this
Francesca is that the President Emmanuel Macaran, he came into
power trying to effectively get more centrist support in France,
to do away with the far left, to do away
with the far right, and actually the reverse has happened,

(01:33:46):
because both those areas have gained support in this particular election.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
The UK's first female Chancellor, Rachel Reeves, has made a
promise to kickstart economic growth. She's going to make this
a national mission, yes, and.

Speaker 23 (01:34:02):
She's probably going to give I would think the most
important speech of her life coming up in the next
couple of hours, because she's going to be talking to
the businesses and leaders at the Treasury and she's got
to obviously have to set out Labor, the new party
of government in the UK, Labour's plan for the economy
because growth has been sluggish, it's not been good around

(01:34:23):
the world, but it's been really sluggish in the UK,
so how best to get that moving. One of the
plans she's going to unveil, we believe, is compulsory house
building targets. This has always been a major thorn in
the side of leaders because we need so many houses
being built and of course nobody wants them being built
near them. Plus the fact we're a small nation in area,

(01:34:45):
very densely populated, and people are very protective of green
spaces that are left. So it's going to be interesting
which way she twists and turns to try and get
rid of this. But experts are saying this is going
to be no easy target because are going to be
all sorts of objections put in her way, and one
can see this going legal as well.

Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
Now we're all dealing with the same same issues. Given
I see a major UK supermarket chain has script a
four day working week after staff complained that the system
leaft them feeling exhausted. Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:35:16):
The Labor Party, the new party of government here in
the UK, tends to receive much of its backing from
the unions, and although Sekre Starmer, the leader, is really
you know, keeping them at arms distance. There are others
who are very very keen on seeing more of those
union ideas being brought in. Amongst them, Britain's largest union, Unison,

(01:35:37):
wants a four day working week, so it really is
pushing this now. It says it's been found to work
around the world and therefore we should have it in
the UK. But one leading supermarket chain here called Asda,
has been trialing a four day week and looks like
it's going to scrap it. Why will across twenty stores.

(01:35:58):
They did a trial where staff worked forty four hours
over four days rather than five, but had got the
same pay. But those eleven hour shifts proved physically demanding
and left the staff worn out, And they're saying that
they don't want to work the four days, they prefer
to work the five. This, of course, is being highlighted

(01:36:18):
in the right wing press here as another concern for
the incoming labor Party things they might try and do.
But yeah, four day weeks being talked about a lot here,
but very few big companies have managed to implement it successfully.

Speaker 4 (01:36:33):
Oh, thank you so much for the update, Gevin Gray.
They're good to talk to you. Ann has become my
new favorite listener. She has said. Hyphranchisca wonderfully explained about
you know how we got these left and right terms
and politics. Never knew that very mixed criersh of you. Look,
I'm going to be honest with you.

Speaker 8 (01:36:50):
Nn.

Speaker 4 (01:36:50):
I was telling my family about that and I all
thought it was dearly boring. So I appreciate that one
person has really enjoyed that little bit of information that
I've shed with you today. So thank you very much
for your text. And it is seven to seven. You're
with News Talk THEREB whether.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
It's macro MicroB or just playing economics, it's all on
the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
The HR platform for sme US talks a B Hey look.

Speaker 4 (01:37:20):
Today on the show, we've been talking about the amazing
success of Lulu with the tennis. But another New Zealand
athlete is stepping out this week, also about to play
with the big boys, Liam Lawson. So news came out
over the weekend that the F one Reserve driver will
be driving a Red Bull car for a promotional event
this week in the UK. Why does this matter? While

(01:37:41):
with Studio Pea's faulting performance for Red Bull, there are
plenty of rumors swirling about driver seats for twenty twenty five,
So Liam Lawson will have two hundred kilometers on the track,
the same track that his teammates raced on in the weekend,
to show once again why he should be on the
F one starting line in twenty twenty five, if not before.

(01:38:02):
So it's a really big week for a lot of
Kiwi athletes this week. All right, as what song have
you picked for us to go out of?

Speaker 7 (01:38:09):
Sorry by Justin Bieber to play us out? Our friend Yes,
says some good news about this. It turns out you
can probably hire Justin Bieber to play a song at
your wedding. The reason I'm basing the thing I'm basing
this on is there's this bloke, mkesh Ambarney, an Indian businessman.
He's the richest guy in Asia, worth one hundred and
twenty billion US dollars, and he managed to get Justin
to play not not at the wedding, but at like
a pre wedding party. Because I guess if you're like

(01:38:30):
a mega billionaire, like you don't just have a wedding,
you probably have like a whole week of parties leading
up to it, because why not so yeah, so apparently
he got just a mieble to play like a private show.
It's for the pre wedding party. So it only cost
him sixteen million New Zealand dollars. So if you've got
a spare I don't know if that's like Justin's going
rate or maybe maybe he did like a mates rates thing,
so you might need like twenty million. But you know,

(01:38:51):
there you go, there's an option.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
I thought you were playing this for Darling Tanner.

Speaker 7 (01:38:54):
Oh well, she says, She says, it's all made up, right,
So don't we going to be hearing He's word from
dun Or anytime?

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
So fantastic, thank you, and no, I'll put that. I'll
kick that in the back of my mind just in
case I need someone to perform at a party for me.
Thank you very much for joining me today, Heather. We'll
be back tomorrow, of course. Jason Pine is up next
with Sports Talk. I'll be back on Sunday morning at
nine o'clock with the Sunday Session. Take Care.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
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