An Auckland Councillor is apologising for voting to progress a joint-management approach for the Waitākere Ranges.
The proposal allows Te Kawerau a Maki to be represented on the joint iwi, Crown and Council board.
Waitākere Ward Councillor Ken Turner says he doesn't support it - but voted for it so it would go to public consultation.
He says he was under the false impression more diverse options would be included.
"They were in the executive summary, they were in the analysis and advice - and I did not realise they were not in the resolution until two months later."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Last night, Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown was on the show
and we asked him why he voted for co governance
and the white targets, and he told us he knew
nothing about it because he had delegated that decision making
to Ken Turner, who was another counselor who he trusts
one hundred percent on this. And Ken Turner is with us. Now, Hello, Ken, Hello?
Is that really what happened? Did he tell you that
(00:21):
you could do all of the decision making for him.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I've been beside this from the beginning by myself to
a degree, and in the governing body on the tenth
of December last year, it was just a standard vote
in council.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Okay, did the mayor ask you to vote on his behalf?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
No?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, what was he talking about?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Then? I'm not sure? I voted on my behalf? Unfortunately?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Okay, unfortunately, Well, I voted yes, and I should not have,
and I've apologized for that. Why should you not have?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Because the vote was just to go to public, not
to We were voting on the information that would be
given to the public to go for the have your
Say event for the public consultation, and I had taken
it for granted that the two options that I'd been
negotiating and sitting beside for nine ten months were in
the resolution. They were in the executive Summary, they were
(01:23):
in the analysis and advice, and I did not realize
they were not in the resolution until two months later.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Okay, so what are you apologizing for?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Because I would have voted no if I had have
known that, and having voted yes and having people saying
this was unanimous, this was unanimous, has put me back
a few steps on a very important subject that the
community put me here to fight.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, I'm guessing that the community is not loving the
co governance and the why targeting idea.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
The community wants that park back. Yeah, the community, well,
why the park?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Why is it closed?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
We're told it's for carry dieback, But that's been an
eight year precautionary approach. The last review that the council
did in twenty twenty two actually identified well. It stated
it walked away from the claim that it's humans moving
the photophrah around and it also admitted that tatafras everywhere.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Are you suggesting are you by linking the closing of
the park with the co governors? Are you suggesting that
the EWI is behind the closing of the park.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Behind some of it. I'm sitting here in front of
a twenty eighteen memory of understanding between the Council and EWE.
It's headed by Kaki Ranger's Regional Park Tracks plan and
in it at one place here Item seven sorry, Item
thirteen B. Forest isolation zones will be established in perpetuity
(02:56):
to protect gates to protect a symptomatic and healthy Cowori
catchments by exclusion areas.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Meaning what what does that meaning?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
That permanent closure? By whom the council and Manafino seemed
to have these ideas.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Okay, so they've struck an agreement. Okay, ken, So do
you support this idea? If you?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
If?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Are you going to get another chance to vote on it?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Are you? I hope so?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And if it comes up for a vote and they
say do you support this idea? Are you going to
vote yes or no?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And what about the mayor?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well, I thought you, I thought you're voting on his behalf.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
That's what he told No, No, no, no, he told us.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
He's busy with the meeting in Saint Mary's Bay, and
he trusts you one hundred percent because you live in
the white Targatis.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, that's very nice of him, and on flat However,
I was voting for myself and I had no idea
that I had a job for the mayor.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, have you written him a letter to explain to
him how nuts this whole idea is?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yes, I did.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Did he read it?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I don't know when I heard that. There was another
time when I heard the mayor didn't know much about this.
So I got in touch with his chief of staff
and said, you've got my letter. It was there five
days ago. Please make sure it gets in front of
the mayor.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, so all right, we'll call BS on that from
the mayor. Then, thanks, Ken appreciated Ken Turner, the famous
Ken Turner Auckland Counselor.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
Last night, Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown was on the show
and we asked him why he voted for co governance
and the white targets, and he told us he knew
nothing about it because he had delegated that decision making
to Ken Turner, who was another counselor who he trusts
one hundred percent on this. And Ken Turner is with us. Now, Hello, Ken, Hello?
Is that really what happened? Did he tell you that
(00:21):
you could do all of the decision making for him.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I've been beside this from the beginning by myself to
a degree, and in the governing body on the tenth
of December last year, it was just a standard vote
in council.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Okay, did the mayor ask you to vote on his behalf?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
No?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, what was he talking about?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Then? I'm not sure? I voted on my behalf? Unfortunately?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Okay, unfortunately, Well, I voted yes, and I should not have,
and I've apologized for that. Why should you not have?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Because the vote was just to go to public, not
to We were voting on the information that would be
given to the public to go for the have your
Say event for the public consultation, and I had taken
it for granted that the two options that I'd been
negotiating and sitting beside for nine ten months were in
the resolution. They were in the executive Summary, they were
(01:23):
in the analysis and advice, and I did not realize
they were not in the resolution until two months later.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Okay, so what are you apologizing for?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Because I would have voted no if I had have
known that, and having voted yes and having people saying
this was unanimous, this was unanimous, has put me back
a few steps on a very important subject that the
community put me here to fight.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, I'm guessing that the community is not loving the
co governance and the why targeting idea.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
The community wants that park back. Yeah, the community, well,
why the park?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Why is it closed?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
We're told it's for carry dieback, But that's been an
eight year precautionary approach. The last review that the council
did in twenty twenty two actually identified well. It stated
it walked away from the claim that it's humans moving
the photophrah around and it also admitted that tatafras everywhere.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Are you suggesting are you by linking the closing of
the park with the co governors? Are you suggesting that
the EWI is behind the closing of the park.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Behind some of it. I'm sitting here in front of
a twenty eighteen memory of understanding between the Council and EWE.
It's headed by Kaki Ranger's Regional Park Tracks plan and
in it at one place here Item seven sorry, Item
thirteen B. Forest isolation zones will be established in perpetuity
(02:56):
to protect gates to protect a symptomatic and healthy Cowori
catchments by exclusion areas.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Meaning what what does that meaning?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
That permanent closure? By whom the council and Manafino seemed
to have these ideas.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Okay, so they've struck an agreement. Okay, ken, So do
you support this idea? If you?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
If?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Are you going to get another chance to vote on it?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Are you? I hope so?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And if it comes up for a vote and they
say do you support this idea? Are you going to
vote yes or no?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And what about the mayor?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well, I thought you, I thought you're voting on his behalf.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
That's what he told No, No, no, no, he told us.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
He's busy with the meeting in Saint Mary's Bay, and
he trusts you one hundred percent because you live in
the white Targatis.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, that's very nice of him, and on flat However,
I was voting for myself and I had no idea
that I had a job for the mayor.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, have you written him a letter to explain to
him how nuts this whole idea is?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yes, I did.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Did he read it?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I don't know when I heard that. There was another
time when I heard the mayor didn't know much about this.
So I got in touch with his chief of staff
and said, you've got my letter. It was there five
days ago. Please make sure it gets in front of
the mayor.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, so all right, we'll call BS on that from
the mayor. Then, thanks, Ken appreciated Ken Turner, the famous
Ken Turner Auckland Counselor.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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