Paul Spain: Gorilla Technology CEO on Nvidia's CEO claiming AI has matched human capability

One of the biggest names in the world of AI has claimed that the technology can match human capabilities, but one expert has warned us not to get too excited.

Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang recently declared that OpenAI's new Astra model has brought about the start of 'artificial general intelligence' earlier this week, and pointed out the technology was aided by Nvidia's chips.

Gorilla Technology CEO Paul Spain says it's Nvidia's job to sell the hardware AI runs on - and it needs to keep excitement up in order to sell us on the technology.

"That's how his share price stays high, that's how OpenAI and Anthropic end up sort of having big IPOs. So I think this is part of trying to keep it exciting and hype for people - but I'm not sure we've reached what I would call artificial general intelligence just yet." 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
One of the world's biggest AI bosses now says AI
has matched human capability. NVIDIA's CEO, Jensen Huang, says ChatGPT's
latest model, which is known as Astra, is so impressive
that we've reached the landmark of AGI, or Artificial General Intelligence.
Paul Spain is a futurist, and he's the CEO also
at Guerrilla Technology. I'm with us. Hi, Paul.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi, how are you doing, Heather?

Speaker 1 (00:22):
I'm well, thanks, mate. Are you convinced that we've reached AGI?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
AGI? Well, the short answer is no. I think you've
got to look at this through the lens of, you know,
who is Jensen? What's his role? And, you know, he
runs the biggest company on the planet, and their role
is to sell the hardware that makes AI possible. And
that only happens if we keep getting excited and hyped

(00:46):
about where it's going. That's how his share price stays high.
That's how OpenAI works. and anthropic end up having sort
of big IPOs. So I think this is part of
trying to keep it exciting and hype for people, but
I'm not sure we've reached what I would call artificial
general intelligence just yet.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Okay. He had a big palaver about a fruit fly's brain.
Did you understand that and how that led us to
understand that AGI was here?

Speaker 2 (01:16):
No, no, I didn't. I've listened to a bunch of
the things that he said. I didn't go into that one.
But yeah, he's given, I guess, some interesting examples. He
talked about AI being able to build a billion-dollar business,
but that it would have zero chance of building and

(01:39):
running a business like NVIDIA on an ongoing basis. So
we've talked for a long time around artificial narrow intelligence,
and that's kind of been the norm, the world that
we've been in over recent years. And I think what's
happening is we've got a range of these narrow artificial

(02:03):
intelligences available within platforms such as OpenAI's new GPT-6 model,
but they're just kind of wired and linked together. You
don't actually have a I guess, a true brain that
can think across all areas of domains and really operate
like a human. And so, to me, we're not there yet.

(02:27):
One thing that would give me confidence that we were
there is any one of us could delegate our job
to an AI to look after while we go on
holiday for a week. I don't think there's probably virtually
anybody on the planet that can say, hey, I could do,
you know, at least, you know, a half quality version

(02:47):
of their work, you know, like that. There's just so
many gaps in the technology right now.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Paul, I just don't believe that's ever going to happen. Like,
this feels like the Jetsons crap. You know, we've been
doing this forever, haven't we? Saying that this wonderful thing
is going to happen in the future and it never
really does. Do you ever believe, do you believe this
will ever happen?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well, I used to say no. Even a year ago,
I thought artificial general intelligence, this is science fiction and
it will never come. But the more I watch the
progress and see the improvements... the more open I am

(03:28):
to the possibility that things get really flipped on their head.
But it's a big journey to do it. It's not
just about the technology. It's around, you know, how businesses
and organizations work that technology into transforming themselves. You know,
this is not something that happens in five minutes, that's
for sure.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
All right, Paul. Hey, thank you, man. Appreciate it as always.
It's Paul Spain, futurist and CEO at Guerrilla Technology.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
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