April 9, 2026 • 10 mins
Tonight on the Huddle, lawyer and political commentator Liam Hehir and artist and local Government politician Oscar Kightley joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The results are in, and Fords have topped the list of the worst cars to own. Do we agree with this?
We're one day into the US-Iran ceasefire - and the agreement appears fragile, with Israel increasing their deadly attack on Lebanon and Iran closing the Strait of Hormuz. What do we think of this? Do we think things will change following the peace talks?
The Royal Commission reportedly 'grilled' Jacinda Ardern behind the scenes over her Covid-19 response. Do we think this was really necessary?
More people are getting into iced coffee - do we like it?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Twenty away from six the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's
(00:04):
International Real Team, the only truly global brand.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
On the Huddle of this this evening, we have Liam Here, lawyer,
former national former National Party activist or current National Party.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Act current National Party member, current National Party member member.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
The activist sounds rabid, doesn't it? Oscar currently artist and
local government politician.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Hello La, Hello Liam?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
All right, Liam, worst car you've owned?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I bought an Audi A four under a lot of
pressure from friends, and it was the biggest mistake in
my life. Like it was a good it was a
I got a good price and it was it was
fun to drive. But after about a month, you know,
just the electrical work that was constantly required, and it
just made me realize, you know, it was a fun
car to have that I couldn't commit to the lifestyle
(00:48):
of owning a European car. And it's just been toyotas
ever since.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I tell you what, I'm impressed. Not a rap for though, Liam, surely.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
No, no, but not not nothing. Very cool. I'm driving
a little code to Aqua at the moment, but I'm
please we're having hybrid now. I have to say it's
been good. In the last couple of months.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You have really gone from one extreme to the other. Okay,
ask her, what about you? What's your worst car?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Well, I need your thoughts and prayers here because I
actually currently have the number two car on that list,
which is and I can confirm all the things that
those disgruntled owners have said about it having a tiguine
and boy do I feel sink right now. I feel
like I have to trade it in now after hearing
your interview with Brian.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
No, how long have you had it?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I've had it five years. I got it the same
year my son was born, so I could remember how
old he was, and even in the five years, you know,
And it's true, it's not mechanical thing that it's notally
it's annoying things like electrical things like the like the
electronic parking break won't work and that's one thousand dollars
just for them to look at it and replace. So yeah,
(01:57):
it's some sobering stuff here. MG.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Four, that's what you want to get. Don't get a
Toyota Aqua like Liam, because you still live in so
you still have to be told he can get away
with it and parent.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Now, Lia, if I ever going to obering though. It
would be a good, It would be a good that's true.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
That is true, Liam, Do you reckon the ceasefire with
Iran's going to hold?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Well? I think there's there's maximum incentive for everyone for
it to hold. If you, like I thought you were
really on the mark just after the break. You know,
the fact of the matter is that Iran was I mean,
you can talk about Iran being defied and everything, but
they were completely mauled in the military confrontation. I mean,
they've got a smaller navy than New Zealanders now, but
(02:39):
it doesn't take a lot to close the straight to
stop it from happening. Trump left to invade the southern
southern coast of Iran, which he doesn't want to do.
But they also don't have any incentive in having more
of their leaders killed and their forces degraded even further.
So everyone's got an incentive for it to work. And
there anything that's going to sort of unravel that is
(03:02):
the is the sort of the taunting of each other
or the humiliation or the loss of faith. And what
worries me a little bit is that both parties seem
quite willing to continue to try to claim victory, to
try to back the other into a corner, and you
might think, okay, well, in the normal course of events,
you know, a strategic interest will prevail. But with the
(03:23):
current president of the United States, so just don't have
the confidence that they can't be goaded or taunted into
having another go with it.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, yeah, we see. Okay. I think that's a fair
point that Liam has made the oscar I think the
more likely outcome actually is what Linda, who was with
us before Linda Gradstein laid out, which is that there
is no agreement to anything after the ceasefire. The seasfire
just rolls over and becomes permanent, so no one has
to back down.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I agree with Liam in terms
of that. There's a powerful motivation. The interesting thing is
that this kind of global crisis is the first kind
of major while there's been others, but I mean it's
the first real, huge one in the social media era.
So everybody's getting everyone, including us as an audience, you know,
(04:09):
as punters around the world who are affected by this,
are getting a glimpse into everybody's inner mind. And the
more you see that, the more you think this isn't
going to be over quickly. I even allowed myself a
moment of feeling good about I'm feeling sheepish about being
so freaked out about how long this would go on for.
(04:29):
But I mean it will be lasted twelve hours, and
if there was just two parties, it might be simpler
about these three. And there's a whole lot of others
around it, so I don't Unfortunately, I think the pain
will be with us for the year.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
What was that, lamb, he's pessimistic and Pisistly, are very
really disappointed.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, it's a good way to be.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
We'll take a break and come back to you guys shortly.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name
you can trust locally and globally.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Right back with the huddle, Liam here, Oscar, kindly, Oscar,
did you go and read the revelation about just in
this transcript there behind closed doors interview with the Royal Commission.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
No, I haven't delved into a year. I'm not sure
I will. I mean, it's a I guess it's a
useful exercise, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
I guess what's the feeling that comes out of it,
I guess, I mean, I don't kind of understand the
outcome that thereafter, unless it's that we do things better
the next time. A lot of it seems to be
kind of raking over the coals, and I'd rather just
wait till it's all over and then we see the
(05:45):
overall thing what's come out. But it just feels a
bit voyeuristic and uncomfortable if I watch it at the moment.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Okay, what about you, Limb.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Look, I kind of think its unusual in a way
that we continue to have Justinda Adern in the headlines,
like getting quite a bit of time now after she's
left office, and it's almost it sort of comes into
the fact that actually it is also very unusual that
we've basically got a former prime minister who's had to
(06:15):
live in foreign exile almost almost since she's left office,
and we have this ongoing fascination with her that we
don't apply to other former prime ministers. Now, the reasons
why you think that it might be that they probably
tell you as much about about your own political opinions
is the effect of the matter. But I think what's
(06:36):
happened is, you know, just inder Adourn was she She
was a prime minister during some extraordinary times, but she
was also as leader of the Opposition and as prime
minister as much of a symbol or she was a
politician as a symbol more than she was a politician
of policies. And while while everyone's got consensus about what
(06:56):
that you know what that symbol is, and if she's
symbolizing a good thing, that would be pretty fun. But
you know, the moment that things start to sour and
people don't tend to look in what she's symbolizing with
so benignly, it becomes really, really toxic, and I don't
think you can avoid that. So I haven't read the
transcript because I kind of want to move past this
(07:18):
era of New zeal politics and to start to see
Casindra Idurn as I see John Key or Helen Clark.
But we can't seem to get away from it. We
seem to get away from her.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I don't think we want we will never see her
in the way that we see John Key or Helen Clark,
because John Key and Helen Clark were running the country
in relatively benign times when incremental policies were that incrementalism
was the order of the day, and we were largely
in agreement. Right, So I think that she will forever
be a firebrand, don't you think.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Well, I mean, I mean, it wasn't all easy. I mean,
the Christian earthquake was a pretty big deal for the country,
but it didn't pose the same I suppose the moment
where everyone was booed into partics, I guess.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
And also the.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Other thing is neither of them have gone on to
be global superstars to the extent that she has, right,
Like the Netflix documentary. The documentary just hit Netflix and
people are watching it and talking about it. Does not
happen to John Key or Helen Clark.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, and I guess that's true. And there are part
of the results that she can't even live in her
own country really were for fear of being mobbed all
the time.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, hey, listen, total change of subject here, Oscar. What
is your go to coffee? Is it still the flat white?
Are you getting down with what the kids are doing?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
No?
Speaker 5 (08:32):
You know what, as soon as coffee hit seven dollars,
I managed to successfully wean myself off it and only
have it when it's free now. But I guess when
you consider that the traditional New Zealand coffee was always
milking two sugars. I feel like the flat white is
a natural extension of that. So I'm not surprised to
hear that self favorite, our national favorite.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, but what about the iced coffee if you tried that, Oscar?
Speaker 5 (08:55):
No, because I feel like eventually the ice is going
to mount and then all Yeh've got in the end
is a cold, watery coffee that's going to get warmer.
So I feel like we don't have to we don't
have to welcome everything that America brings out, and I
feel like we should stand strong when it comes to Chris.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And I've heard this about you that you paid attention
in science class, so I think top marks for you
that one. What about you? I'm just I'm gonna be
honest with you, mate. I'm not getting into the iced
coffee because I'm a grown up.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
No.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, and I'm an uncomplicated man from the provinces, right,
So like I'm I'm also just a flat white drinker
because that's what I know how to order. I think
it's interesting how things are quite you know, things are
quite relative, So probably ordering a flat white at some
point along the Zealand's history was itself considered to be
quite pretentious, you know, back when we were a tea
drinking people at first. Now we're family a coffee drinking people.
(09:44):
But you know, as a conservative and as some of
the provinces, I can't. I can only move what's conventional now,
move beyond what's just the most basic, simple thing to order.
And I'm sure that my kids will probably feel the
same way about the fancier drinks. You know, there'll be
something and fancier again still, but I'm always going to
be twenty five years behind the pace.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Oh, Lim just said, well said, well said, mate. Good
good to talk to the pair of you. You enjoy
the rest of your day. That's Lim here and Oscar Kntleier.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
How For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live
to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Twenty away from six the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's
(00:04):
International Real Team, the only truly global brand.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
On the Huddle of this this evening, we have Liam Here, lawyer,
former national former National Party activist or current National Party.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Act current National Party member, current National Party member member.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
The activist sounds rabid, doesn't it? Oscar currently artist and
local government politician.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Hello La, Hello Liam?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
All right, Liam, worst car you've owned?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I bought an Audi A four under a lot of
pressure from friends, and it was the biggest mistake in
my life. Like it was a good it was a
I got a good price and it was it was
fun to drive. But after about a month, you know,
just the electrical work that was constantly required, and it
just made me realize, you know, it was a fun
car to have that I couldn't commit to the lifestyle
(00:48):
of owning a European car. And it's just been toyotas
ever since.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I tell you what, I'm impressed. Not a rap for though, Liam, surely.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
No, no, but not not nothing. Very cool. I'm driving
a little code to Aqua at the moment, but I'm
please we're having hybrid now. I have to say it's
been good. In the last couple of months.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You have really gone from one extreme to the other. Okay,
ask her, what about you? What's your worst car?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Well, I need your thoughts and prayers here because I
actually currently have the number two car on that list,
which is and I can confirm all the things that
those disgruntled owners have said about it having a tiguine
and boy do I feel sink right now. I feel
like I have to trade it in now after hearing
your interview with Brian.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
No, how long have you had it?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I've had it five years. I got it the same
year my son was born, so I could remember how
old he was, and even in the five years, you know,
And it's true, it's not mechanical thing that it's notally
it's annoying things like electrical things like the like the
electronic parking break won't work and that's one thousand dollars
just for them to look at it and replace. So yeah,
(01:57):
it's some sobering stuff here. MG.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Four, that's what you want to get. Don't get a
Toyota Aqua like Liam, because you still live in so
you still have to be told he can get away
with it and parent.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Now, Lia, if I ever going to obering though. It
would be a good, It would be a good that's true.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
That is true, Liam, Do you reckon the ceasefire with
Iran's going to hold?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Well? I think there's there's maximum incentive for everyone for
it to hold. If you, like I thought you were
really on the mark just after the break. You know,
the fact of the matter is that Iran was I mean,
you can talk about Iran being defied and everything, but
they were completely mauled in the military confrontation. I mean,
they've got a smaller navy than New Zealanders now, but
(02:39):
it doesn't take a lot to close the straight to
stop it from happening. Trump left to invade the southern
southern coast of Iran, which he doesn't want to do.
But they also don't have any incentive in having more
of their leaders killed and their forces degraded even further.
So everyone's got an incentive for it to work. And
there anything that's going to sort of unravel that is
(03:02):
the is the sort of the taunting of each other
or the humiliation or the loss of faith. And what
worries me a little bit is that both parties seem
quite willing to continue to try to claim victory, to
try to back the other into a corner, and you
might think, okay, well, in the normal course of events,
you know, a strategic interest will prevail. But with the
(03:23):
current president of the United States, so just don't have
the confidence that they can't be goaded or taunted into
having another go with it.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, yeah, we see. Okay. I think that's a fair
point that Liam has made the oscar I think the
more likely outcome actually is what Linda, who was with
us before Linda Gradstein laid out, which is that there
is no agreement to anything after the ceasefire. The seasfire
just rolls over and becomes permanent, so no one has
to back down.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I agree with Liam in terms
of that. There's a powerful motivation. The interesting thing is
that this kind of global crisis is the first kind
of major while there's been others, but I mean it's
the first real, huge one in the social media era.
So everybody's getting everyone, including us as an audience, you know,
(04:09):
as punters around the world who are affected by this,
are getting a glimpse into everybody's inner mind. And the
more you see that, the more you think this isn't
going to be over quickly. I even allowed myself a
moment of feeling good about I'm feeling sheepish about being
so freaked out about how long this would go on for.
(04:29):
But I mean it will be lasted twelve hours, and
if there was just two parties, it might be simpler
about these three. And there's a whole lot of others
around it, so I don't Unfortunately, I think the pain
will be with us for the year.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
What was that, lamb, he's pessimistic and Pisistly, are very
really disappointed.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, it's a good way to be.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
We'll take a break and come back to you guys shortly.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name
you can trust locally and globally.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Right back with the huddle, Liam here, Oscar, kindly, Oscar,
did you go and read the revelation about just in
this transcript there behind closed doors interview with the Royal Commission.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
No, I haven't delved into a year. I'm not sure
I will. I mean, it's a I guess it's a
useful exercise, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
I guess what's the feeling that comes out of it,
I guess, I mean, I don't kind of understand the
outcome that thereafter, unless it's that we do things better
the next time. A lot of it seems to be
kind of raking over the coals, and I'd rather just
wait till it's all over and then we see the
(05:45):
overall thing what's come out. But it just feels a
bit voyeuristic and uncomfortable if I watch it at the moment.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Okay, what about you, Limb.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Look, I kind of think its unusual in a way
that we continue to have Justinda Adern in the headlines,
like getting quite a bit of time now after she's
left office, and it's almost it sort of comes into
the fact that actually it is also very unusual that
we've basically got a former prime minister who's had to
(06:15):
live in foreign exile almost almost since she's left office,
and we have this ongoing fascination with her that we
don't apply to other former prime ministers. Now, the reasons
why you think that it might be that they probably
tell you as much about about your own political opinions
is the effect of the matter. But I think what's
(06:36):
happened is, you know, just inder Adourn was she She
was a prime minister during some extraordinary times, but she
was also as leader of the Opposition and as prime
minister as much of a symbol or she was a
politician as a symbol more than she was a politician
of policies. And while while everyone's got consensus about what
(06:56):
that you know what that symbol is, and if she's
symbolizing a good thing, that would be pretty fun. But
you know, the moment that things start to sour and
people don't tend to look in what she's symbolizing with
so benignly, it becomes really, really toxic, and I don't
think you can avoid that. So I haven't read the
transcript because I kind of want to move past this
(07:18):
era of New zeal politics and to start to see
Casindra Idurn as I see John Key or Helen Clark.
But we can't seem to get away from it. We
seem to get away from her.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I don't think we want we will never see her
in the way that we see John Key or Helen Clark,
because John Key and Helen Clark were running the country
in relatively benign times when incremental policies were that incrementalism
was the order of the day, and we were largely
in agreement. Right, So I think that she will forever
be a firebrand, don't you think.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Well, I mean, I mean, it wasn't all easy. I mean,
the Christian earthquake was a pretty big deal for the country,
but it didn't pose the same I suppose the moment
where everyone was booed into partics, I guess.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
And also the.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Other thing is neither of them have gone on to
be global superstars to the extent that she has, right,
Like the Netflix documentary. The documentary just hit Netflix and
people are watching it and talking about it. Does not
happen to John Key or Helen Clark.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, and I guess that's true. And there are part
of the results that she can't even live in her
own country really were for fear of being mobbed all
the time.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, hey, listen, total change of subject here, Oscar. What
is your go to coffee? Is it still the flat white?
Are you getting down with what the kids are doing?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
No?
Speaker 5 (08:32):
You know what, as soon as coffee hit seven dollars,
I managed to successfully wean myself off it and only
have it when it's free now. But I guess when
you consider that the traditional New Zealand coffee was always
milking two sugars. I feel like the flat white is
a natural extension of that. So I'm not surprised to
hear that self favorite, our national favorite.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, but what about the iced coffee if you tried that, Oscar?
Speaker 5 (08:55):
No, because I feel like eventually the ice is going
to mount and then all Yeh've got in the end
is a cold, watery coffee that's going to get warmer.
So I feel like we don't have to we don't
have to welcome everything that America brings out, and I
feel like we should stand strong when it comes to Chris.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And I've heard this about you that you paid attention
in science class, so I think top marks for you
that one. What about you? I'm just I'm gonna be
honest with you, mate. I'm not getting into the iced
coffee because I'm a grown up.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
No.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, and I'm an uncomplicated man from the provinces, right,
So like I'm I'm also just a flat white drinker
because that's what I know how to order. I think
it's interesting how things are quite you know, things are
quite relative, So probably ordering a flat white at some
point along the Zealand's history was itself considered to be
quite pretentious, you know, back when we were a tea
drinking people at first. Now we're family a coffee drinking people.
(09:44):
But you know, as a conservative and as some of
the provinces, I can't. I can only move what's conventional now,
move beyond what's just the most basic, simple thing to order.
And I'm sure that my kids will probably feel the
same way about the fancier drinks. You know, there'll be
something and fancier again still, but I'm always going to
be twenty five years behind the pace.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Oh, Lim just said, well said, well said, mate. Good
good to talk to the pair of you. You enjoy
the rest of your day. That's Lim here and Oscar Kntleier.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
How For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live
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