September 10, 2026 • 10 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Auckland Councillor Maurice Williamson and senior NZ Herald correspondent Katie Bradford joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Apple has unveiled their new foldable iPhone - retailing for over $4,000 on the low end? Is this worth the price?
Speaking of pricy things - would we pay $250 for a Te Pati Māori jacket? What do we make of all the political merch, anyway?
The Ministry of Social Development has been made to issue an apology after over 30,000 benefit payments were incorrectly suspended. Who's at fault for this? Should the Government have to share in some of the blame?
ACT has pledged to, if elected, scrap the Waitangi Tribunal for good. Do we think this is a good idea?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Huddle with us this evening, Maurice Williamson, Auckland Councillor, former
National Party Minister, Katie Bradford, Senior Herald Correspondent. Hello, you two.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hi, you two.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
You buying yourself one of those, Maurice?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Probably have to sell a kidney before I could afford
one of those damn things.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Good Lord. Well, that's a phone.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I mean, there are some cars around you can buy
secondhand for that price.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I pick you more as a $ 49 green underwear guy.
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Ah, no, I think you miscalculated that one.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Do you know what? Yeah, OK, you're right. Katie, you
would look great in a $ 66 Act hoodie. It's your colour.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I thought you were going to accuse Marcel Emerson of
Tuku Morgan-type boxers behaviour going on there.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Did you see this, though, Katie? Have you seen the
list of weird merch? Is the weirdest merch not this,
that Rima Narkler, who's with the National Party, is giving
out gambling chips with her face on it?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Is that even allowed under the electoral rules?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Because there's such strict rules around gambling, I would have
thought that you weren't allowed to do that. I saw
someone on a community Facebook page complaining about Helen White's
The Mount Albert MP is giving out magnets because apparently,
you know, it's bad for the environment and people are
just throwing them out. So it's a terrible idea. I mean,
I think the point is you need to put them
on your fridge, obviously. But if you don't want them,
(01:21):
you're throwing them out and it's just adding to our rubbish.
So more rubbish for Auckland Council to collect.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Morris, you seem outraged at the gamblers.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I quite like the idea of that Tea Party Maori jacket.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
What was it, $ 250?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, that's right, mate.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Don't accuse.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I quite like Wayne Brown's Auckland jacket.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Oh, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
And him and others wear it. You know the shiny Auckland,
they've got a whole, I think Auckland Unlimited, Maurice will know,
but Tataki Auckland, I think, have put them out. They're blue,
they're like bomber jackets, and they say Auckland on them.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I quite like them.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I don't know how much they go for.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Have you got one of those, Maurice?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
No, I have not.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I've seen them around, but I mean, look, on a pension,
I've got to think about what my next meal's coming from.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Did you get your winter energy payment, Maurice?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
No, I did find out. Raewyn is getting it paid
into her account. I don't get to see it at all,
but she is getting it.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I was worried about you. Do you think, Katie, that
Louise Upston should actually be the one fronting up about this?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Oh, absolutely. Look, this is, she was actually, I interviewed
her on the Ryan Bridge show yesterday morning, ostensibly over
the international visitor levy tax stuff, but also about what's
been going on at MSD. She did not want to
apologise for the issue we saw earlier this week over
the food applications being declined. She didn't want to apologise
(02:33):
over these issues. I think She should be fronting up.
Ministers should front up in these situations, as awkward as
it is. You are the minister for a reason. You
are responsible at the end of the day for your department,
particularly in this case when it appears to be a
legislative issue. And I think there's a much wider issue
around the use of urgency. There's a reason Parliament has
processes that you go through, as boring as they might be.
(02:55):
it's actually good for democracy to go through the parliamentary
processes that we're supposed to do. And I think both
Labour and National have been guilty over recent years of
an overuse of urgency. I think there are situations, there
are bills where urgency makes sense. I remember, and I'm
sure Morris does, when you used to have to do
them after the budget because you were putting up an
increase in cigarettes, right, and you wanted to tax on
(03:16):
cigarettes needed to get that through before everyone went out
and bought cartons of cigarettes. That makes sense. I think
in situations like this where you actually need someone to
read through the legislation possibly, properly look at the possible
harm it causes, have a select committee debate it, that
needs a really serious rethink heading into next term.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Morris, the Minister has blamed MSD and said they should
have spotted it earlier. But that feels rich because what
she's saying is I made a mistake and it's your
fault because you didn't see it earlier.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, look, I 100% agree with what Katie just went through.
I think the use of urgency is dramatically overused when
it doesn't need to be. I actually think Parliament should
sit for more days than it sits in a year
to get through some of the work. But look, think
of the number of pieces of legislation that do go
to a select committee, and they get changed dramatically because
there's things wrong with them. They found fixes.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
That needed to be done.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Just the other day, the move-on orders, the select committee
have said, no, make that 14, make it 18 or whatever,
and change that amount of money in the fine to 1,000.
So when you're going to put something of this nature through,
the fact that you're banging it through under urgency– just
exposes yourself to enormous risks. And the minister is the
person that should be holding the responsibility for that, not
(04:30):
the poor old chief executive who sounded.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
To be really floundering when you were interviewing her.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
That on Parliament sits more day, you want to get
more legislation through, great, that's good. A government should be
doing that. Sit more often. Have more sitting weeks. I
know they're big, long days, but that is what you're
there for. It's literally your job. So go ahead and
do it. And I think we have to remember that
these are people... These are pensioners. These are people on
(04:55):
really low incomes who lost a significant portion of their
income for a week. Sure, they got the money back
at the end of the day. That didn't help them
that week if they didn't have enough money for groceries
or they got penalties for not paying things. What happens
if you didn't pay off your bill and you got
a late fee? Who's compensating them for that?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Who couldn't spot that someone who'd qualified for National Super
at 65 wasn't going to stay qualified?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
No, quite right.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I mean, you don't go back to 63 in a
couple of years and then 59, although some people try
to pretend it.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Quite right.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
You actually, once you've qualified for being a super annuitant,
you are one.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, well, you know where they would have picked that up, Maurice?
If they'd taken it through select committee and not rushed
it under urgency, because that's what Louise wanted to do.
We'll take a break, come back shortly, quarter to. Back
with the huddle, Morris Williamson and Katie Bradford. Now, Morris,
what do you make of ACT's Waitangi Tribunal policy out today?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I actually like it. I think the Waitangi Tribunal has
grown into a monster that it was never intended to.
It's now been hearing all sorts of claims and making
all sorts of pronouncements which are not its bailiwick. They
are areas that the government has should be making that
determination on. And I think they're coming very close towards
the end of all of the major treaty settlements. I
(06:08):
think Ngapuhi's probably one of the only ones left to
go in terms of size. Once that's over, I think
the Waitangi Tribunal has no reason for existence and needs
to go.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Why does the Waitangi Tribunal need to exist while historical
claims are being settled?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well, because they can give advice about parts of the
historical claims as to whether that's right or not. There's
got to be a lot of research into... Because people
will make claims this was stolen or this wasn't compensated
for or this was our tribe and not that tribe.
And quite a lot of research has to go in
and obviously some adjudication.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Needed or advice.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
But they're an advisory role.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
They don't act like that.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
They act like they're a second government. They're an advisory
role only and whatever they say is only for the
government to consider rather than to have to be bound by.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Katie?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I think it's one of the policies that play to
Axe Base. I think it's a policy they've had in
place anyway, and they've just added more details around it.
I think the key is that it needs to focus on,
for instance, trying to work with Ngapuhi on getting their
claims settled. That is a big issue up there. And
until that's settled, you cannot get rid of the Waitangi
(07:17):
Tribunal while that is still ongoing. There are still some
other ones, but as Morse said, that is the big
one that needs to be settled.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
What is precluding us from getting rid of the Waitangi
Tribunal and just using private researchers?
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Katie?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Nothing really, but I mean you're just replacing one with
the other and if they would have just fulfilled their role,
the correct role that they're there for, it's no big deal.
They can help, they can advise, they can do some
research and so on. What used to worry me, because
I got caught on the horns of some of these things,
was their advice about the electromagnetic spectrum that was sort
of that were discovered by Faraday and the fact that
(07:53):
these things floating through the ether called radio waves and
high frequency and ultra high and very high frequency, somehow
that should have been included in the Treaty of Waitangi
when it was signed in 1840.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, somehow the geothermal activities made it in as well now.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Same thing.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Katie, so Chippy says he's getting warmed up and geez,
he's waited, hasn't he?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Well, he needed to be warmed up months ago. I
do think it's interesting, this campaign. We're seeing New Zealand
First have always gone out to town halls. We've seen
ACT do a lot of those town halls. Paul Henry's
off around the country. Luxon's done, I think, Audrey Young
said 20 today for Luxon and one for Hipkins.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Has just got to show some energy and you need
to see it. He needs to be out in these halls.
He needs to be out getting some of that policy out.
There is now less than two months to go. This
should have been happening six months ago. Sometimes you get
this glimpse. of Chris Hipkins where he shows some of
that energy and shows some of the reason why he
wants to be there. But I don't see it that
(08:54):
often or hear it that often. And, you know, there
used to be a Chris Hipkins who would get fired
up in the House and he'd be quite funny and
quite good. And I just don't think the public see
that anymore. And so maybe we will over the next
couple of months, I think, as MPs and candidates. We'll
be desperately hoping they see that in the next couple
of months. He was quite fired up on the MSD.
I watched the stand-up this afternoon with him on this
(09:15):
MSD issue yesterday. That's good Labour territory, but that energy
definitely needs to rise for the next six, seven, eight weeks.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
One of the questions that Audrey asked today in her
political newsletter, Morris, on The Herald, was whether Chippy and
Labour have left it too late, their run. What do
you think?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I think they have, and I think one of the
things they've done really badly is every time there's been
a big issue that had a fiscal implication, it was, oh,
we can't give you an answer to that until the budget.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Now it's, we can't give you that until the pre-food.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
When the pre-foo's out, it's more than likely to be, well,
we can't do that until we're in government and we
can get a really good briefing from Treasury and know
the details. I've seen a number of debates on various
clips on the web and so on where the Labour
candidates said, well, you'll just have to wait We haven't
got a policy on that yet. For God's sake, we're
in September with.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
An election at the beginning of November.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
You have got to start having some answers on things.
The pre-foo doesn't come out until the 29th, I think,
of September. In the end, people start making their decisions.
And if you look at some of the research, they
lock their views in quite early on. I've got a
distinct feeling this might be totally wrong, and you can
prove I was wrong later on. But I've got a
feeling that labour's coming off the boil quite badly recently.
(10:27):
And that poll at 25 was where they'd been up
in the 30s and well into the 30s. They're now
sliding back. And I think that's Because they haven't had
anything to offer of anything.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I've said it as well on the show. I reckon
this is the start of it. This is the start
of the collapse and the fall. Hey, guys, thank you
so much. Morris Williamson, Katie Bradford, seven away from six.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
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Huddle with us this evening, Maurice Williamson, Auckland Councillor, former
National Party Minister, Katie Bradford, Senior Herald Correspondent. Hello, you two.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hi, you two.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
You buying yourself one of those, Maurice?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Probably have to sell a kidney before I could afford
one of those damn things.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Good Lord. Well, that's a phone.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I mean, there are some cars around you can buy
secondhand for that price.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I pick you more as a $ 49 green underwear guy.
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Ah, no, I think you miscalculated that one.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Do you know what? Yeah, OK, you're right. Katie, you
would look great in a $ 66 Act hoodie. It's your colour.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I thought you were going to accuse Marcel Emerson of
Tuku Morgan-type boxers behaviour going on there.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Did you see this, though, Katie? Have you seen the
list of weird merch? Is the weirdest merch not this,
that Rima Narkler, who's with the National Party, is giving
out gambling chips with her face on it?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Is that even allowed under the electoral rules?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Because there's such strict rules around gambling, I would have
thought that you weren't allowed to do that. I saw
someone on a community Facebook page complaining about Helen White's
The Mount Albert MP is giving out magnets because apparently,
you know, it's bad for the environment and people are
just throwing them out. So it's a terrible idea. I mean,
I think the point is you need to put them
on your fridge, obviously. But if you don't want them,
(01:21):
you're throwing them out and it's just adding to our rubbish.
So more rubbish for Auckland Council to collect.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Morris, you seem outraged at the gamblers.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I quite like the idea of that Tea Party Maori jacket.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
What was it, $ 250?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, that's right, mate.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Don't accuse.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I quite like Wayne Brown's Auckland jacket.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Oh, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
And him and others wear it. You know the shiny Auckland,
they've got a whole, I think Auckland Unlimited, Maurice will know,
but Tataki Auckland, I think, have put them out. They're blue,
they're like bomber jackets, and they say Auckland on them.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I quite like them.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I don't know how much they go for.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Have you got one of those, Maurice?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
No, I have not.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I've seen them around, but I mean, look, on a pension,
I've got to think about what my next meal's coming from.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Did you get your winter energy payment, Maurice?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
No, I did find out. Raewyn is getting it paid
into her account. I don't get to see it at all,
but she is getting it.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I was worried about you. Do you think, Katie, that
Louise Upston should actually be the one fronting up about this?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Oh, absolutely. Look, this is, she was actually, I interviewed
her on the Ryan Bridge show yesterday morning, ostensibly over
the international visitor levy tax stuff, but also about what's
been going on at MSD. She did not want to
apologise for the issue we saw earlier this week over
the food applications being declined. She didn't want to apologise
(02:33):
over these issues. I think She should be fronting up.
Ministers should front up in these situations, as awkward as
it is. You are the minister for a reason. You
are responsible at the end of the day for your department,
particularly in this case when it appears to be a
legislative issue. And I think there's a much wider issue
around the use of urgency. There's a reason Parliament has
processes that you go through, as boring as they might be.
(02:55):
it's actually good for democracy to go through the parliamentary
processes that we're supposed to do. And I think both
Labour and National have been guilty over recent years of
an overuse of urgency. I think there are situations, there
are bills where urgency makes sense. I remember, and I'm
sure Morris does, when you used to have to do
them after the budget because you were putting up an
increase in cigarettes, right, and you wanted to tax on
(03:16):
cigarettes needed to get that through before everyone went out
and bought cartons of cigarettes. That makes sense. I think
in situations like this where you actually need someone to
read through the legislation possibly, properly look at the possible
harm it causes, have a select committee debate it, that
needs a really serious rethink heading into next term.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Morris, the Minister has blamed MSD and said they should
have spotted it earlier. But that feels rich because what
she's saying is I made a mistake and it's your
fault because you didn't see it earlier.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, look, I 100% agree with what Katie just went through.
I think the use of urgency is dramatically overused when
it doesn't need to be. I actually think Parliament should
sit for more days than it sits in a year
to get through some of the work. But look, think
of the number of pieces of legislation that do go
to a select committee, and they get changed dramatically because
there's things wrong with them. They found fixes.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
That needed to be done.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Just the other day, the move-on orders, the select committee
have said, no, make that 14, make it 18 or whatever,
and change that amount of money in the fine to 1,000.
So when you're going to put something of this nature through,
the fact that you're banging it through under urgency– just
exposes yourself to enormous risks. And the minister is the
person that should be holding the responsibility for that, not
(04:30):
the poor old chief executive who sounded.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
To be really floundering when you were interviewing her.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
That on Parliament sits more day, you want to get
more legislation through, great, that's good. A government should be
doing that. Sit more often. Have more sitting weeks. I
know they're big, long days, but that is what you're
there for. It's literally your job. So go ahead and
do it. And I think we have to remember that
these are people... These are pensioners. These are people on
(04:55):
really low incomes who lost a significant portion of their
income for a week. Sure, they got the money back
at the end of the day. That didn't help them
that week if they didn't have enough money for groceries
or they got penalties for not paying things. What happens
if you didn't pay off your bill and you got
a late fee? Who's compensating them for that?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Who couldn't spot that someone who'd qualified for National Super
at 65 wasn't going to stay qualified?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
No, quite right.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I mean, you don't go back to 63 in a
couple of years and then 59, although some people try
to pretend it.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Quite right.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
You actually, once you've qualified for being a super annuitant,
you are one.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, well, you know where they would have picked that up, Maurice?
If they'd taken it through select committee and not rushed
it under urgency, because that's what Louise wanted to do.
We'll take a break, come back shortly, quarter to. Back
with the huddle, Morris Williamson and Katie Bradford. Now, Morris,
what do you make of ACT's Waitangi Tribunal policy out today?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I actually like it. I think the Waitangi Tribunal has
grown into a monster that it was never intended to.
It's now been hearing all sorts of claims and making
all sorts of pronouncements which are not its bailiwick. They
are areas that the government has should be making that
determination on. And I think they're coming very close towards
the end of all of the major treaty settlements. I
(06:08):
think Ngapuhi's probably one of the only ones left to
go in terms of size. Once that's over, I think
the Waitangi Tribunal has no reason for existence and needs
to go.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Why does the Waitangi Tribunal need to exist while historical
claims are being settled?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well, because they can give advice about parts of the
historical claims as to whether that's right or not. There's
got to be a lot of research into... Because people
will make claims this was stolen or this wasn't compensated
for or this was our tribe and not that tribe.
And quite a lot of research has to go in
and obviously some adjudication.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Needed or advice.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
But they're an advisory role.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
They don't act like that.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
They act like they're a second government. They're an advisory
role only and whatever they say is only for the
government to consider rather than to have to be bound by.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Katie?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I think it's one of the policies that play to
Axe Base. I think it's a policy they've had in
place anyway, and they've just added more details around it.
I think the key is that it needs to focus on,
for instance, trying to work with Ngapuhi on getting their
claims settled. That is a big issue up there. And
until that's settled, you cannot get rid of the Waitangi
(07:17):
Tribunal while that is still ongoing. There are still some
other ones, but as Morse said, that is the big
one that needs to be settled.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
What is precluding us from getting rid of the Waitangi
Tribunal and just using private researchers?
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Katie?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Nothing really, but I mean you're just replacing one with
the other and if they would have just fulfilled their role,
the correct role that they're there for, it's no big deal.
They can help, they can advise, they can do some
research and so on. What used to worry me, because
I got caught on the horns of some of these things,
was their advice about the electromagnetic spectrum that was sort
of that were discovered by Faraday and the fact that
(07:53):
these things floating through the ether called radio waves and
high frequency and ultra high and very high frequency, somehow
that should have been included in the Treaty of Waitangi
when it was signed in 1840.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, somehow the geothermal activities made it in as well now.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Same thing.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Katie, so Chippy says he's getting warmed up and geez,
he's waited, hasn't he?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Well, he needed to be warmed up months ago. I
do think it's interesting, this campaign. We're seeing New Zealand
First have always gone out to town halls. We've seen
ACT do a lot of those town halls. Paul Henry's
off around the country. Luxon's done, I think, Audrey Young
said 20 today for Luxon and one for Hipkins.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Has just got to show some energy and you need
to see it. He needs to be out in these halls.
He needs to be out getting some of that policy out.
There is now less than two months to go. This
should have been happening six months ago. Sometimes you get
this glimpse. of Chris Hipkins where he shows some of
that energy and shows some of the reason why he
wants to be there. But I don't see it that
(08:54):
often or hear it that often. And, you know, there
used to be a Chris Hipkins who would get fired
up in the House and he'd be quite funny and
quite good. And I just don't think the public see
that anymore. And so maybe we will over the next
couple of months, I think, as MPs and candidates. We'll
be desperately hoping they see that in the next couple
of months. He was quite fired up on the MSD.
I watched the stand-up this afternoon with him on this
(09:15):
MSD issue yesterday. That's good Labour territory, but that energy
definitely needs to rise for the next six, seven, eight weeks.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
One of the questions that Audrey asked today in her
political newsletter, Morris, on The Herald, was whether Chippy and
Labour have left it too late, their run. What do
you think?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I think they have, and I think one of the
things they've done really badly is every time there's been
a big issue that had a fiscal implication, it was, oh,
we can't give you an answer to that until the budget.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Now it's, we can't give you that until the pre-food.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
When the pre-foo's out, it's more than likely to be, well,
we can't do that until we're in government and we
can get a really good briefing from Treasury and know
the details. I've seen a number of debates on various
clips on the web and so on where the Labour
candidates said, well, you'll just have to wait We haven't
got a policy on that yet. For God's sake, we're
in September with.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
An election at the beginning of November.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
You have got to start having some answers on things.
The pre-foo doesn't come out until the 29th, I think,
of September. In the end, people start making their decisions.
And if you look at some of the research, they
lock their views in quite early on. I've got a
distinct feeling this might be totally wrong, and you can
prove I was wrong later on. But I've got a
feeling that labour's coming off the boil quite badly recently.
(10:27):
And that poll at 25 was where they'd been up
in the 30s and well into the 30s. They're now
sliding back. And I think that's Because they haven't had
anything to offer of anything.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I've said it as well on the show. I reckon
this is the start of it. This is the start
of the collapse and the fall. Hey, guys, thank you
so much. Morris Williamson, Katie Bradford, seven away from six.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
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