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July 17, 2024 9 mins

Tonight on the Huddle, Phil O’Reilly from Iron Duke Partners and former Labour Chief of Staff Mike Munro joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!

Jack Black has cancelled the rest of Tenacious D's world tour after bandmate Kyle Gass made a joke about last weekend's near-fatal shooting of Donald Trump. Do we agree with this move?

New data has confirmed the CPI increased 3.3 percent in the year to June, a fall from the 4 percent rise in the year to March. Is this good news - or is the war against inflation still an issue?

The police have made some adjustments to their recruitment standards, with applicants only needing a restricted licence to apply. Is this the right call to boost numbers?

We've received more information into the Government's planned boot camps for young offenders - do we agree with this scheme?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
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There you go, Jack, Micha, let's start with you. I
don't know if you're a big tenacious defan. I'm surprised
there are still tenacious defans out there, but apparently there are.
Did they make the right call in canceling the tour?

Speaker 3 (00:28):
I think they did, Jack, then he You know, the
thing is that there's there's different kinds of jokes. There's
jokes which are light harder and you and funny, and
the other jokes which are which are sick and mister
point entirely, I think that this this one falls into
the into the latter category. You know, you might recall

(00:48):
that when Ronald Raygan survived an assassin's bought up many
years ago out of the Immortal line, Honey, I forgot
to duck, and that was sort of funny. It wasn't original,
but it was funny and he was, he was the victim,
so I suppose he he can make jokes about it.
But in this case, you've basically got a joke where
a guy is saying that he wished Trump had been
had been shot dead. And you know, and Jack Black

(01:10):
in his band, as I understand, are an American band,
they have to live in the country, and and I
just think they made the right decision, and they made
it all accounts immediately that that that that you know,
this too could not go a.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yet they certainly acted swiftly. I don't know, fell I'm
just I'm surprised to find myself for being the anti
cancel culture guy. But I just I think it was
a terrible joke. I think it was an awful thing
to say. I don't think it was funny for a moment.
I think they should apologize. But then it's just like ah, man,
the entire tours immediately called off. The band might never
perform again, they might never write music, you know, being

(01:47):
a being too unfair.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Yeh check. I think it goes to the class of
Jack Black himself. Actually, he's clearly the impression I've got
of him, as he's a a pretty good actor. Of course,
and a very good musician. I'm sure people seem to
him as music, but I'm sure he is and he's
but he's also very straight up guys, very you know,
he's very clear about his own morality and so on.
And I think it was in character of him to
do that, actually, because others might have said, wow, you

(02:11):
know it wasn't what wasn't you know it was an accident,
We'll just carry on and make the next million, And
he said, no, we're not going to do that if
you went to cancel. And I think Mike's right the
problem they've got if they kept on it. But it's
a terrible thing to say, by the lay and it's
he called it hates beach and it's terrible. There's no
excuse for it. But the but the challenge they've got
on practical terms is your is your expert just hit

(02:32):
a minute ago. Now every concert they turn up to
will be about that, and it's just hopeless. You can't
make music and entertain people and have with a fun
if it's all going to be about that. So I
think they're right to cancel it, take a pause and
really think about how they re emerge now. And of
course they'll be, they'll be gutted about it, and so
they should be. It was a terrible it was a terrible,
silly mistake to make.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
So the CPI is at three point three ASB now
saying we'll see fifty basis points carved off the ocr
this year. Are you feeling that optimistic?

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Well, oh, I'm not sure about fifty, but I do
think I do think there's a good chance now that
they do something. The reason is if you look at
the real economy, so inflation three point three, yeah, that's
mostly non trader was now its councilor rates and you know,
insurances and stuff. I'm in recount rights here and running
to just being ridiculous, whereas the trade of the real
economy dying in a ditch, you zero point three percent,

(03:20):
just dying. Business conditions out there are absolutely dire for
most businesses, I can assure you. So I think that
I think there was a evank will come through and
say something before before Christmas. That's good Christmas prison for
all of us. Where it's where it's fifty, I think
that's a big call. I picture quarter actually quarter of
a percent.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I've trained myself into it has been incredibly pessimistic about
the over the last couple of years. Mike Nichola Willis
was with us after five o'clock. Of course, the government,
there's any government, would trying to take as much credit
as they can for this, but it's the truth has
to be said. They have taken some demand out of
the economy.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, well, I think governments will always claim the credit
for these, for these improvements in these in these stats,
no matter how small they are. Look, today's movement is
almost a material It doesn't mean a hell of a lot.
The key thing is that people still feel like they're
under the pump. There's a perception out there that we're
getting stung by rising prices all the time, whether the

(04:17):
energy costs, rising rents, council rates, you know. And while
people are feeling that way, these numbers don't really mean
anything and don't have any impact. The other pressure on
mortgage rates and housing costs are still very real. Shawl
of Aserve Bank might move later on share to do that,

(04:38):
but right now we're immersed in a winter of discontent.
It doesn't look like getting brighter anytime soon.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, Mike Munroe, phil O'Reilly our Huddler's this evening.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Unparalleled reach
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Speaker 2 (04:52):
You're back with Phil o'reiley and Mike Munroe. So the
police are changing their eligibility criteria for new recruits. You
will no longer have to have your full driver's license
become a police recruit. You will, however, have to have
the full license to be sworn in as an officer.
I don't know, Phil, do you think you know, if
you haven't got the gumption to get up and get
your full should you really be a police officer?

Speaker 4 (05:13):
I must say probably driving on a restricted license, I'd
be better than have to drive us on the road,
especially as I drive around the place. Oh look, look,
this is about the police really trying to reach in
and widen out the pool. Of course, it used to
it can be sort of like put tall and and
a sort of a lot to doing the police. And
now you don't have to do that. You know, there's
a bunch of things that they're doing to try and
widen out their criteria. It is It isn't the margins,

(05:36):
I must say. But of course the police are going
through specific driver training anyway. They don't just get their license.
They've got to go through all sorts of other stuff
as well, So it's on the margins, but it does
demonstrate just how hard the police are trying to get
to to get recruits, no question.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, so I've actually changed my view on this, or
at the very least I'm open to changing my view.
Make so we've got to text saying Jack, normally your
instincts are spot on, thanks, ma'am. Now, the number of
kids at a where I'm a foundation trustee who can't
afford their licenses astonishing, And a good portion of our
fundraising goes to help fund the driver's license for kids
who want to get jobs and apprenticeships, because what happens
this Texas is is they get the minimum, so they

(06:12):
get the restricted and then they just sit there. They're like, well,
why would I pay another couple of hundred bucks and
wait for however many months to get you know, to
get a test. So if you look at it through
that leans, I can kind of understand it.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Mite.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah. The important thing here is that they can only
start their training as a police officer when they've got
their full license. Yeah, and you know, the police are
running going through a very problem at page at present,
we've been hearing all sorts of numbers bandies about in
recent days the number of cops are going to Australia,
the fact I'm be popping up on TV and telling

(06:46):
us how much I enjoying life across there in Australia.
So there's a real problem there. And as the cops
here today, this is you know, this, this restricted drivers
business is creating an unnecessary barrier. So to me, it
makes needs to get rid of it so they can
apply into the pipeline. And as I said at the beginning,
you know they still need a fought license to start

(07:07):
their training in that. It's the critical thing, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Interesting, we've got the first little bit of information about
how these boot camps are going to be run for
serious youth defenders in New Zealand. I'm just going to
read out a couple of things that people will be
doing on an average day. As well as a bit
of physical activity in the morning, they'll be having fuck
up upper and cultural connection sessions, counseling, they'll have a
daily wellness activity. It's not really sounding like a boot

(07:31):
camp as.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
A film, Well, maybe maybe you can talk to the
army about that maybe they do all that these days.
Maybe it's ouiji boards and small smelling felts where army people.
But no, you're right. I think the old boot camp
I year was always a bit of a misnomer. It
was always it was always, you know, a bit of
a whistle to the right in track. I did some
of those. I wasn't. I was an apartment. It was

(07:53):
a member of them, be though it was a leader
one of them under the last under the last Key government.
And they were brilliant what they were. This kid's got
got out of bed billy in the morning, you know,
smoke a bit, but you know, a good food and
have physic activity. And of course there was no support
for them asterwards.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
And that's the critical bit.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Precisely. It looks like the government's trying to do something
about them. And I must say, when I looked at
one hundred thousand dollars costs, I thought that's quite high
until you realize that it costs one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars a year to keep someone in jail in
New Zealand. Yeah, so the paypeck is pretty good if
it works. And I think I think we should all
lean into this and say, look, let's see if this works.
Let's make sure that they do get the right support,

(08:32):
because the upsides to it are massive if you can
make it, if you can make it work, given that
these the kids we're talking about here are not kids
you've stolen the car. These are some of the hardest
these things. And then it so I was lucky that
they will actually end up in jail without this kind
of thing. So when it comes to me thinking about
an investment as a text bier, I'm thinking, so I'm
prepared to invis quite a bit to keep them out

(08:52):
of jail and to keep that at work, like well
going on.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Because that's it. Yeah, I mean they could be they
we go an in and out of prison for the
next fifty years for all we know.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
What do you think might Yeah, we'll look at this
approach is out data that it's failed, and the nets
have tried it already in the last twenty years. They
tried at two thousand and eight, and the reoffending rate
or something like eighty five percent in two years. Look,
the other thing is, well, when I read that sort
of list of competencies required day, I mean that list
is just impossible and I started thinking, where are you

(09:20):
going to find these people? Where are these geniuses out
there and are going to come forward and work these
long days with these very difficult people to try and
get them on the you know, on straight and narrow.
I just think that that's going to be the big challenge,
is putting in place to personnel to actually make this
thing work.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Okay, thanks so much for your time, guys, really appreciate it. Fillo, Riley,
Mike Munroe, Huddle this evening.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
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