December 2, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle host of Q&A and Saturday Mornings Jake Tame and Iron Duke Partners managing director Phil O'Reilly joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
New South Wales is considering a plan to halve the power and top speed of e-bikes after a rider died in a collision with a garbage truck. Are e-bikes and e-scooters too fast?
The World Health Organization officially backs Ozempic and says it should be made affordable. Should we publicly fund Ozempic?
And they revisit the local government rates cap after letting the idea sit for 24-hours.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the huddle filler Riley I and Duke partners and
Jack Tame, host of Q and A and Saturday Mornings
Hire you too, how you doing? Yeah, Phil, I'm told
that you love e bikes and scooters.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh I just hate them. I was walking, I was
just wandering down custom House Key two days ago and
a young woman on one of these scooters went past me,
used me as a slale. What have you got on
the foot of me doing so twenty tel the minutes
an hour. I shouted at her and felt very old
and curmudgeonly. But it is just dangerous, particularly if you're
an older person. Maybe you've got a bit of sight problems,
(00:32):
you're trying to walk a dog you've got maybe you've
got a sore leg. You don't know what you're doing.
So the challenge is not the speed of these things. Look,
if young people want to run to a wall, they're
probably going to do that at any speed and hurt themselves.
So there's not much you can do about that. But
what you can do is get them off the streets
where the pedestrians are and get them somewhere else so
they can be traveling at about the same speed. Yeah,
(00:54):
as everything around them. I don't care because I hate
the scooters. I hate them. I think they should just
be banned in the country and E bike should be
lad only in cycle lanes.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
But that's my view, yeah, Jack.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I mean, look, I do have sympathy for this argument, Jack,
because we were going up the road, myself and the
little guy who's three years old, and he was on
his scooter and he almost got taken He was coming
up to a corner and got almost got taken out
by an electric scooter with a full grown adult on it.
And I feel like, I don't know what the solution is,
but it can't carry on like this because people are
going to get quite hurt.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Two words, the heather bike lanes. That's a turn, I said.
I agree when it comes to the e scooters. You
can because you can be walking along. The problem is
you can't hear them right unless they ring their bells.
And even if they ring the bells, they often do
it quite late, and so they come up right behind
you and it feels like you know, when someone like
runs a shopping cart into the back you w ankles
or something, and yeah, it feels like they're going to
(01:44):
do that. Yeah, which I hate I hate that feeling,
but I reckon the solution is simple that they've got
they've got to ride in cycle lanes, and if there
isn't a cycle lane available, I think they should be riding.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Okay, So Jack, can I put this to you? So,
so where I live there is a cycle lane, and
they still ride on the footpath. And we can't afford
to put cycle lanes everywhere. So what do you do
in the like, what do you do on all the
roads and all the streets?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Well, I think within reason, and I don't think anyone's
expecting to see eastcooters on state highways, for example, but
I think they should be regulated as we do cyclists,
so we we think like cyclists don't ride on the
foot path, and I think east scooters are sufficiently fast
that we should expect they ride where cyclists ride. So
if there is a bike plane, they ride in a
(02:26):
bike plane. And if there's not a bike plane, I
think they should be riding on the side of the
road where see and cycles.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
And Phil, even as concerned as I am about my
three year old, I can't be okay with that either,
because if these dudes are riding on the road they're
going to get taken out by cars, and surely that's
far worse.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, so just ban them. But we didn't. We went
through most of them. We went through most of our lives,
most of our society. You know, for instance, Roman times,
you haven't had these things. No, why don't we have
them out? People say, oh, it's great, it's great for
climate change. It keeps me a lout of cows. Actually,
I live in Tierro Welmington, which is the epicenter of
all this, which is why you're real annoyed with it.
It Actually it doesn't help climate change at all. It
(03:04):
actually probably contributes to our national obesity. Because she's riding
these things.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
You're supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Walking, So you should get off these e box and walk.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oh lord, listens, you're really showing your age.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
All right, I'll be free on the buses soon.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I work relatively centrally. I mean, they are incredibly convenient
for me if I want to I live relatively centrally.
If I want to drive into town, the time that
it would take me to drive into town and to
find a park and all that kind of stuff versus
riding on an EES scooter, I reckon an ES scooter
is at least thirty percent faster, and you know, and
an ee bike even even more so. So they are
(03:44):
extremely convenient and every person who chooses to do that
instead of driving obviously takes a car off the road.
But I reckon we still haven't quite nailed it when
it comes to the regulation.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I just think people might need to be a little
more responsible on them. Anyway, we'll take a break, come
back to you guys shortly.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the only
truly global brand.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Back with the Huddle, Jack Tayman Fullo Riley Jack. How
do you feel about user pays for council services rather
than you know, the rate rises.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I don't like it, but I also think that I mean,
I don't mind it for certain things, right like so,
I think, for example, using a council pool then paying
a nominal fee to it to go to the pool
is pretty reasonable. But I would still want to make
sure that everyone in the community is able to benefit
from some of those you know, from from some of
those things. That being said, I just think that funding
(04:37):
for councils just just totally broken. And when you're thinking
about rates capping, like we I think there are just
much bigger questions that we need to tackle, like how
do how do we fund the stuff that councils are
supposed to look for when I think we all agree
that rates have been kind of exhausted, and maybe even
a bigger question about like what should councils ultimately be
responsible for, Because as much as the government says they're
(04:58):
all for localism, I think a lot of their policies
would suggest otherwise in the local government space.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, I'm coming around to the idea of user pays
on this film, so because I think that I can
see that there is untapped revenue. Like I mean, if
I'm paying seventy dollars to park my car for a
year on a central city street because I live in
the center city, that's far too low, Like that should
be about five hundred buck, shouldn't it.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, I'm all for
user pays, but I agree with Jack, you need to
be cautious a little bit about taking the concept too
far where the user simply can't afford it and I
can't take my kids to the swimming pool. And I
think that's a very good thing. Well, maybe we should
charge that too, but you get the earlier, So I
think there's a I'm all for user pace, don't get
me wrong, but I think you just you could take
it too far. The other thing that will happen if
(05:43):
there is rates capping, and I think fun of me.
It's a bad idea, but I can understand it's great politics,
which is why the government's doing it. That The problem
is that that council sort of poor policy and laziness
in terms of charging, will just blow out into overcharging
user pays used a user should be to cover the
cost of it, plus it's more profit. What they we
should do is travel the charge just in order to
(06:05):
keep on with their lazy spending. And I'm the victim
of that. And Wellington we've had these astonishing rates increases
over the last few years. There was nothing much to
show for it. Frankly, some pretty poor spending decisions here.
What I think there will lead to here is actually
a malgamation and I think that's what the government's all about.
They take water off, the local government goes. They're now saying, well,
one of the ways to stop rates increases being so
(06:25):
high is to just stick to them and get bigger.
And I think that's what you'll see now play out.
Councilors will start to a malilmate services, resource management services,
community services and so on, and that's just one step
away from the malvel mating. And I must say I
think that's a good idea. I think we should have,
for example, one council for Greater Wellington. I think Walkland
has largely worked and so I just think we should
(06:47):
get on with that.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, and I would agree with that actually. And now, Jack,
how do you feel about funding a zenpic.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I'm supportive of it, although I think you know within reason.
But at the moment, my understanding is that we do
some of these drugs for diabetes. But the thing that
would make a real difference, I suppose, or an even
greater difference, is whether or not these drugs are funded
for obesity. Right, But when you think about all of
the slow on effects from people who are overweight and
(07:13):
other parts of the health system, Like there are just thousands,
it's not tens of thousands of health complications that can
be associated with it, it's.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
More expensive to fund the drugs, Jack, than to actually
just cop it with the old in it, you know,
the problem at the end, because I mean, if you
fund it for everybody with obesity in this country, it's
nine billion dollars a year, Well.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Can't be everyone, right, So I mean, I'm sure there
has to be some sort of you know, you know,
some sort of yeah, yeah yeah, or if you say,
like you know, you're at this BMI or whatever, then
you know, maybe you reach the threshold where you're funded.
But I yeah, I'm sure smarter wants than us can
do the cost benefit analysis. But as well as the
(07:53):
savings to the to the healthier system in terms of
you know, nights and hospital beds and other drugs, that
kind of thing. I mean that the massive improvement in
people's lives from not having those health effects related to obesity,
I always thought, is any enorm help?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
But wouldn't the smart thing to do here, Phil be
to wait for those that wait for the patents to
come off, which starts happening from March, and then you
get the cheaper generic stuff and that's like miles cheaper.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Well, inevitably that's what they'll do. I mean, I can't
imagine they're going to start funding as EMPIC call these
these very expensive US or European drugs. They'll wait for
the they'll wait for the stuff that comes out of China,
and as those things run off, that's the nature of
these things. But I agree with Jack on this and
it you don't find everybody. But might I say, even
if you did, I suspect you could find probably that
the cost will be marginally only margins worse, because the
(08:44):
hidden costs of omenesity in our health system and their
education system and everywhere else mental health and so on,
is probably just massive. It's just invisible right Inevitably, you
won't you won't do everyone. I mean, some people can
do lifestyle changes. I mean I know plenty of people
who've had that they've managed to succeed in TIMS to
some weight loss, but other people can't. And one of
(09:06):
the challenges with all this is people seem to say, Wow,
if you're overle weight, you're just lazy. You should cut
off the chips and get off the football field. Well
that's just not the reality is that that's just not
how we're actually living our lives. So maybe we're just
getting get real about that and understand these weight boyd
strokes look pretty good to me, and we should be
thinking about funding them because of the great impact that
they'll have positively for all sorts of people, including young
(09:26):
Yeah guys.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
It's good to talk to you. Thank you so much,
fellow Raleigh Jack Tame how hard of this evenings.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
On the huddle filler Riley I and Duke partners and
Jack Tame, host of Q and A and Saturday Mornings
Hire you too, how you doing? Yeah, Phil, I'm told
that you love e bikes and scooters.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh I just hate them. I was walking, I was
just wandering down custom House Key two days ago and
a young woman on one of these scooters went past me,
used me as a slale. What have you got on
the foot of me doing so twenty tel the minutes
an hour. I shouted at her and felt very old
and curmudgeonly. But it is just dangerous, particularly if you're
an older person. Maybe you've got a bit of sight problems,
(00:32):
you're trying to walk a dog you've got maybe you've
got a sore leg. You don't know what you're doing.
So the challenge is not the speed of these things. Look,
if young people want to run to a wall, they're
probably going to do that at any speed and hurt themselves.
So there's not much you can do about that. But
what you can do is get them off the streets
where the pedestrians are and get them somewhere else so
they can be traveling at about the same speed. Yeah,
(00:54):
as everything around them. I don't care because I hate
the scooters. I hate them. I think they should just
be banned in the country and E bike should be
lad only in cycle lanes.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
But that's my view, yeah, Jack.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I mean, look, I do have sympathy for this argument, Jack,
because we were going up the road, myself and the
little guy who's three years old, and he was on
his scooter and he almost got taken He was coming
up to a corner and got almost got taken out
by an electric scooter with a full grown adult on it.
And I feel like, I don't know what the solution is,
but it can't carry on like this because people are
going to get quite hurt.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Two words, the heather bike lanes. That's a turn, I said.
I agree when it comes to the e scooters. You
can because you can be walking along. The problem is
you can't hear them right unless they ring their bells.
And even if they ring the bells, they often do
it quite late, and so they come up right behind
you and it feels like you know, when someone like
runs a shopping cart into the back you w ankles
or something, and yeah, it feels like they're going to
(01:44):
do that. Yeah, which I hate I hate that feeling,
but I reckon the solution is simple that they've got
they've got to ride in cycle lanes, and if there
isn't a cycle lane available, I think they should be riding.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Okay, So Jack, can I put this to you? So,
so where I live there is a cycle lane, and
they still ride on the footpath. And we can't afford
to put cycle lanes everywhere. So what do you do
in the like, what do you do on all the
roads and all the streets?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Well, I think within reason, and I don't think anyone's
expecting to see eastcooters on state highways, for example, but
I think they should be regulated as we do cyclists,
so we we think like cyclists don't ride on the
foot path, and I think east scooters are sufficiently fast
that we should expect they ride where cyclists ride. So
if there is a bike plane, they ride in a
(02:26):
bike plane. And if there's not a bike plane, I
think they should be riding on the side of the
road where see and cycles.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
And Phil, even as concerned as I am about my
three year old, I can't be okay with that either,
because if these dudes are riding on the road they're
going to get taken out by cars, and surely that's
far worse.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, so just ban them. But we didn't. We went
through most of them. We went through most of our lives,
most of our society. You know, for instance, Roman times,
you haven't had these things. No, why don't we have
them out? People say, oh, it's great, it's great for
climate change. It keeps me a lout of cows. Actually,
I live in Tierro Welmington, which is the epicenter of
all this, which is why you're real annoyed with it.
It Actually it doesn't help climate change at all. It
(03:04):
actually probably contributes to our national obesity. Because she's riding
these things.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
You're supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Walking, So you should get off these e box and walk.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oh lord, listens, you're really showing your age.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
All right, I'll be free on the buses soon.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I work relatively centrally. I mean, they are incredibly convenient
for me if I want to I live relatively centrally.
If I want to drive into town, the time that
it would take me to drive into town and to
find a park and all that kind of stuff versus
riding on an EES scooter, I reckon an ES scooter
is at least thirty percent faster, and you know, and
an ee bike even even more so. So they are
(03:44):
extremely convenient and every person who chooses to do that
instead of driving obviously takes a car off the road.
But I reckon we still haven't quite nailed it when
it comes to the regulation.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I just think people might need to be a little
more responsible on them. Anyway, we'll take a break, come
back to you guys shortly.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the only
truly global brand.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Back with the Huddle, Jack Tayman Fullo Riley Jack. How
do you feel about user pays for council services rather
than you know, the rate rises.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I don't like it, but I also think that I mean,
I don't mind it for certain things, right like so,
I think, for example, using a council pool then paying
a nominal fee to it to go to the pool
is pretty reasonable. But I would still want to make
sure that everyone in the community is able to benefit
from some of those you know, from from some of
those things. That being said, I just think that funding
(04:37):
for councils just just totally broken. And when you're thinking
about rates capping, like we I think there are just
much bigger questions that we need to tackle, like how
do how do we fund the stuff that councils are
supposed to look for when I think we all agree
that rates have been kind of exhausted, and maybe even
a bigger question about like what should councils ultimately be
responsible for, Because as much as the government says they're
(04:58):
all for localism, I think a lot of their policies
would suggest otherwise in the local government space.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, I'm coming around to the idea of user pays
on this film, so because I think that I can
see that there is untapped revenue. Like I mean, if
I'm paying seventy dollars to park my car for a
year on a central city street because I live in
the center city, that's far too low, Like that should
be about five hundred buck, shouldn't it.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, I'm all for
user pays, but I agree with Jack, you need to
be cautious a little bit about taking the concept too
far where the user simply can't afford it and I
can't take my kids to the swimming pool. And I
think that's a very good thing. Well, maybe we should
charge that too, but you get the earlier, So I
think there's a I'm all for user pace, don't get
me wrong, but I think you just you could take
it too far. The other thing that will happen if
(05:43):
there is rates capping, and I think fun of me.
It's a bad idea, but I can understand it's great politics,
which is why the government's doing it. That The problem
is that that council sort of poor policy and laziness
in terms of charging, will just blow out into overcharging
user pays used a user should be to cover the
cost of it, plus it's more profit. What they we
should do is travel the charge just in order to
(06:05):
keep on with their lazy spending. And I'm the victim
of that. And Wellington we've had these astonishing rates increases
over the last few years. There was nothing much to
show for it. Frankly, some pretty poor spending decisions here.
What I think there will lead to here is actually
a malgamation and I think that's what the government's all about.
They take water off, the local government goes. They're now saying, well,
one of the ways to stop rates increases being so
(06:25):
high is to just stick to them and get bigger.
And I think that's what you'll see now play out.
Councilors will start to a malilmate services, resource management services,
community services and so on, and that's just one step
away from the malvel mating. And I must say I
think that's a good idea. I think we should have,
for example, one council for Greater Wellington. I think Walkland
has largely worked and so I just think we should
(06:47):
get on with that.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, and I would agree with that actually. And now, Jack,
how do you feel about funding a zenpic.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I'm supportive of it, although I think you know within reason.
But at the moment, my understanding is that we do
some of these drugs for diabetes. But the thing that
would make a real difference, I suppose, or an even
greater difference, is whether or not these drugs are funded
for obesity. Right, But when you think about all of
the slow on effects from people who are overweight and
(07:13):
other parts of the health system, Like there are just thousands,
it's not tens of thousands of health complications that can
be associated with it, it's.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
More expensive to fund the drugs, Jack, than to actually
just cop it with the old in it, you know,
the problem at the end, because I mean, if you
fund it for everybody with obesity in this country, it's
nine billion dollars a year, Well.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Can't be everyone, right, So I mean, I'm sure there
has to be some sort of you know, you know,
some sort of yeah, yeah yeah, or if you say,
like you know, you're at this BMI or whatever, then
you know, maybe you reach the threshold where you're funded.
But I yeah, I'm sure smarter wants than us can
do the cost benefit analysis. But as well as the
(07:53):
savings to the to the healthier system in terms of
you know, nights and hospital beds and other drugs, that
kind of thing. I mean that the massive improvement in
people's lives from not having those health effects related to obesity,
I always thought, is any enorm help?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
But wouldn't the smart thing to do here, Phil be
to wait for those that wait for the patents to
come off, which starts happening from March, and then you
get the cheaper generic stuff and that's like miles cheaper.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Well, inevitably that's what they'll do. I mean, I can't
imagine they're going to start funding as EMPIC call these
these very expensive US or European drugs. They'll wait for
the they'll wait for the stuff that comes out of China,
and as those things run off, that's the nature of
these things. But I agree with Jack on this and
it you don't find everybody. But might I say, even
if you did, I suspect you could find probably that
the cost will be marginally only margins worse, because the
(08:44):
hidden costs of omenesity in our health system and their
education system and everywhere else mental health and so on,
is probably just massive. It's just invisible right Inevitably, you
won't you won't do everyone. I mean, some people can
do lifestyle changes. I mean I know plenty of people
who've had that they've managed to succeed in TIMS to
some weight loss, but other people can't. And one of
(09:06):
the challenges with all this is people seem to say, Wow,
if you're overle weight, you're just lazy. You should cut
off the chips and get off the football field. Well
that's just not the reality is that that's just not
how we're actually living our lives. So maybe we're just
getting get real about that and understand these weight boyd
strokes look pretty good to me, and we should be
thinking about funding them because of the great impact that
they'll have positively for all sorts of people, including young
(09:26):
Yeah guys.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
It's good to talk to you. Thank you so much,
fellow Raleigh Jack Tame how hard of this evenings.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
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