March 12, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Jack Tame from ZB's Saturday Mornings and Q&A and Kiwiblog's David Farrar joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Where to we see this short-term Russia-Ukraine war ceasefire going over the next few days? Will Russia agree to it?
All eyes will be on the Government's big Investment Summit tomorrow. Should we be expecting anything much?
Whanganui Council has decided to dump plans for its food scrap bins. Do we agree with this? Should other councils follow suit?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is twenty six The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's
International Realty Fink You're one of a kind.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Jack Tame, host of Saturday mornings here on News Talks.
He'd be and Q and A on TV one as
with us, Hey Jack, hey, right, good to have you
on and David Pharos with us Caurier Poster and KIWI Blog.
Hey David, Now let's start with the Russia situation, well,
the Ukraine Russia situation. We had an expert from Curtain
(00:29):
University on this afternoon. He reckoned David that the Russians
are going to need some kind of give from the
Americans before they'll sign a ceasefire for thirty days. I
mean that seems pretty reasonable.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Look, I think after hey, CEESPA will happen because that
doesn't strategically weaken Russia. In fact, it's probably helpful to them.
It gives some time to resupply, get supply routes through.
So SEESPA will probably happen much much much harder is
the permanent cease far because the one thing that Ukraine
(01:07):
needs is the security guarantee, and it's the one thing
Russia is dead see aggains because then they wouldn't be
able to just resume the war in a few years time.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, and that's where this whole backstop in Europe's trying
to step up. And there's a meeting in Paris tonight
to try and create some coalition of the willing jack.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yeah, Well, I mean I think I think Europe will
have to coalesce in a way that perhaps they couldn't
have imagined the European leaders couldn't have imagined just six
months ago, and perhaps in a way that has been
overdue for some time. But I think David's assessment is
quite right. I think the thirty day cease fire at
least seems like maybe slightly more likely than not at
(01:53):
the moment. I mean, we've seen the kind of behavior
from both sides that you would usually expect before a
cease fire, which is to say that both launched weathering
attacks on each other. But it's curious, right because so far,
at least under the Trump administration, that the Vladimir Putin
and the Russians haven't had to give much, right, they've
kind of been delivers and all of this so far,
(02:14):
they haven't to give anything. Really, all of the pressure
has been on Zelenski, and in a way, I suppose
the Ukrainians have called the Russian bluff. But David's quite right,
like thirty day seas fire is by no means a
commitment to end the conflict right now, and I'm sure
that the Russians will be using that time to entrench
their position even further, if not strength in it. And yeah, yeah,
(02:36):
the real question comes down to whether or not the
Ukrainians can expect any sort of security guarantee. I think
it's inevitable that Russia is going to be keeping large
swaths of territory, But it's whether or not a lot
of Messolenski can get anything out of this negotiation that
will make Ukrainians feel safe for going forward.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, it is funny, though, isn't it, David? Would we
be sitting here talking about even the potential of a
thirty day season if Biden was still in office.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
We probably wouldn't be. But getching a stop to the
war is easy if one side surrenders, you know, is
a stopping the war's easy? Stopping the war? What the
right outcome is much harder?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Ye, I guess the question is would we would we
be sitting here imagining a future where Ukraine had zero
security guarantees and the war was coming to an end.
I guess that's the other way to flip around that question.
And perhaps we would have seen a ceasefire. I suspect
it would have taken a whole lot longer. And there'll
be people who think that Trump's quite right and hastening
the process. But I suppose it all depends on the outcome.
(03:45):
And if the long term outcome is one that makes
Ukraine less secure, less safe, potentially less democratic, then there'll
be many who argue that actually we shouldn't be ending
the conflict.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And on top of that, you've got this issue that
you've got the US on one side and now seemingly
Europe on the other. And while the US might get
people to agree to things, will Europe. You know, So
it's very complicated.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones
with local and global.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Reach thirteen to six on News Talks, MB Jack Tayman,
David Fair with me for the huddle tonight. Now, this
investment summit is well, it should be getting on the
way very shortly. Actually, their Prime Minister is going to
speak today, tomorrow and Friday, Jack, what does what does
success look like? Or Yeah, how do you even measure
success for something like this or is it just the
(04:32):
fact that it's happening, that's that's good.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I mean, I think it certainly started off as a
kind of symbolic exercise, right, And I suppose one of
the measures will be how many projects and the PPP
opportunities the government is actually able to put up that
might you know, tangibly attract international investment. I mean, there's
going to be a fair bit of rah rah about
the whole thing. You know. I think it's going to
(04:56):
be really interesting to see whether or not the Prime
Minister and his cabinet make any comments about the previous government.
I think I think it's in all New Zealander's interests
to have a kind of bipartisan approach and it and
it's good to see that, you know, barbar Evans and
some laboring peace are going.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
To be there.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
But yeah, yeah, I suppose the real test comes from
what projects they can can put up. And already Chris
Bishop has kind of suggested that this is a bit
of a you know, and a moose boosh when it
comes to attracting foreign investment. I don't think we're going
to see trillions of dollars of projects put up tomorrow.
But really this is an effort to signal to the
world that New Zealand's up for business.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, David, I'm interested to see because you know they've said, oh,
this fund is coming, and that fund is coming. Actually,
how high up the food chain that people are representing
those companies, Like, are we getting day from a councilor
Susie from HR or just you know, any old Joe
Bloggs who worked for their businesses coming or are we
getting the head on shows well day.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Through accounts for some of these companies probably still has
a fusty billion dollar budget.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
DA from Account's actually makes the decision, but.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Lot success is hard to meet.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
It.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
There's two things, which is quality and quantity of who's
turned up. The second one we won't know for two
or three years, which is do we actually then see
a significant increase in investment leading to more jobs, etc.
The first one is easy to calculate and we'll know
that within a week. The second one is going to
(06:29):
take more time and you're never going to know is
this because of the investment summit, etc.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, Hey, just finally before we go the bin's issues
read its head again. In huangan Nui, the council has
decided to ditch their plans for a food scrap bin,
even though they already brought nineteen thousand of them and
slap the council logo on the side. They're going to
have to throw those in the bin now because they're
just really unpopular and also they add to your rate spell,
(06:56):
which is obviously not what people want at this time. Jack,
are you are you at home home composter?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Do you know?
Speaker 4 (07:02):
I'm an at home composter and I'm an at home
worm binner, But I'm also a user of the little
green bins because you can't. I can't put like meat
and bread in my compost and my word bin and
my worm bin, so I put that in the in
the green bin. And the one thing I actually really
like about the green bins is I think having consistency
(07:23):
nationwide about what you can throw out, recycle, put in
food bins and stuff, I think that is really good.
But yeah, if anyone's got a bright idea with what
Wanganui Distant Council can do with's nineteen thousand of these things.
I'm sure they're all is.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well in Auckland. I know because we did this on
Telly a few years ago, where I think only forty
percent of people use them in Auckland, and a lot
of people are emailing and saying they're perfect for the
kid's lego. So if you've got lego around the house
or toys, yeah, it's a great one.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
That's a great suggestion.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
So that's a really good suggestion.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, David, what about you? Are you like Jack? Are
you a compost them?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
And I used three where I lived on the Lifestyle Block, etc.
But not at the moment. But funnily enough, the more people,
the fact we already have so many people who already
compose as an argument against a very expensive curbside food
scraps program because you've already got those who are motivated
doing it. And there was research done by Ministry for
(08:23):
the Environment on why more people where there are food
scrap services don't use them because only one and four
use them on a regular basis. And the biggest thing
is people just don't like the smell. They don't want
smelly food scraps sitting around the house all week, and
that's you know, perfectly natural. So I think it was
a dart policy to be honest, to start with, as
(08:44):
just a pussy. They waited until they ordered ninety thousand
bids before they changed their mind.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Cletainly is they're all now going in the bin themselves,
of course. Thank you, Thank you, guys, David Ferrer and
Jack Tame.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
For more from Hither duplessy Ellen Drive, listen live to
news talks it Be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
It is twenty six The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's
International Realty Fink You're one of a kind.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Jack Tame, host of Saturday mornings here on News Talks.
He'd be and Q and A on TV one as
with us, Hey Jack, hey, right, good to have you
on and David Pharos with us Caurier Poster and KIWI Blog.
Hey David, Now let's start with the Russia situation, well,
the Ukraine Russia situation. We had an expert from Curtain
(00:29):
University on this afternoon. He reckoned David that the Russians
are going to need some kind of give from the
Americans before they'll sign a ceasefire for thirty days. I
mean that seems pretty reasonable.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Look, I think after hey, CEESPA will happen because that
doesn't strategically weaken Russia. In fact, it's probably helpful to them.
It gives some time to resupply, get supply routes through.
So SEESPA will probably happen much much much harder is
the permanent cease far because the one thing that Ukraine
(01:07):
needs is the security guarantee, and it's the one thing
Russia is dead see aggains because then they wouldn't be
able to just resume the war in a few years time.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, and that's where this whole backstop in Europe's trying
to step up. And there's a meeting in Paris tonight
to try and create some coalition of the willing jack.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yeah, Well, I mean I think I think Europe will
have to coalesce in a way that perhaps they couldn't
have imagined the European leaders couldn't have imagined just six
months ago, and perhaps in a way that has been
overdue for some time. But I think David's assessment is
quite right. I think the thirty day cease fire at
least seems like maybe slightly more likely than not at
(01:53):
the moment. I mean, we've seen the kind of behavior
from both sides that you would usually expect before a
cease fire, which is to say that both launched weathering
attacks on each other. But it's curious, right because so far,
at least under the Trump administration, that the Vladimir Putin
and the Russians haven't had to give much, right, they've
kind of been delivers and all of this so far,
(02:14):
they haven't to give anything. Really, all of the pressure
has been on Zelenski, and in a way, I suppose
the Ukrainians have called the Russian bluff. But David's quite right,
like thirty day seas fire is by no means a
commitment to end the conflict right now, and I'm sure
that the Russians will be using that time to entrench
their position even further, if not strength in it. And yeah, yeah,
(02:36):
the real question comes down to whether or not the
Ukrainians can expect any sort of security guarantee. I think
it's inevitable that Russia is going to be keeping large
swaths of territory, But it's whether or not a lot
of Messolenski can get anything out of this negotiation that
will make Ukrainians feel safe for going forward.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, it is funny, though, isn't it, David? Would we
be sitting here talking about even the potential of a
thirty day season if Biden was still in office.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
We probably wouldn't be. But getching a stop to the
war is easy if one side surrenders, you know, is
a stopping the war's easy? Stopping the war? What the
right outcome is much harder?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Ye, I guess the question is would we would we
be sitting here imagining a future where Ukraine had zero
security guarantees and the war was coming to an end.
I guess that's the other way to flip around that question.
And perhaps we would have seen a ceasefire. I suspect
it would have taken a whole lot longer. And there'll
be people who think that Trump's quite right and hastening
the process. But I suppose it all depends on the outcome.
(03:45):
And if the long term outcome is one that makes
Ukraine less secure, less safe, potentially less democratic, then there'll
be many who argue that actually we shouldn't be ending
the conflict.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And on top of that, you've got this issue that
you've got the US on one side and now seemingly
Europe on the other. And while the US might get
people to agree to things, will Europe. You know, So
it's very complicated.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones
with local and global.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Reach thirteen to six on News Talks, MB Jack Tayman,
David Fair with me for the huddle tonight. Now, this
investment summit is well, it should be getting on the
way very shortly. Actually, their Prime Minister is going to
speak today, tomorrow and Friday, Jack, what does what does
success look like? Or Yeah, how do you even measure
success for something like this or is it just the
(04:32):
fact that it's happening, that's that's good.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I mean, I think it certainly started off as a
kind of symbolic exercise, right, And I suppose one of
the measures will be how many projects and the PPP
opportunities the government is actually able to put up that
might you know, tangibly attract international investment. I mean, there's
going to be a fair bit of rah rah about
the whole thing. You know. I think it's going to
(04:56):
be really interesting to see whether or not the Prime
Minister and his cabinet make any comments about the previous government.
I think I think it's in all New Zealander's interests
to have a kind of bipartisan approach and it and
it's good to see that, you know, barbar Evans and
some laboring peace are going.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
To be there.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
But yeah, yeah, I suppose the real test comes from
what projects they can can put up. And already Chris
Bishop has kind of suggested that this is a bit
of a you know, and a moose boosh when it
comes to attracting foreign investment. I don't think we're going
to see trillions of dollars of projects put up tomorrow.
But really this is an effort to signal to the
world that New Zealand's up for business.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, David, I'm interested to see because you know they've said, oh,
this fund is coming, and that fund is coming. Actually,
how high up the food chain that people are representing
those companies, Like, are we getting day from a councilor
Susie from HR or just you know, any old Joe
Bloggs who worked for their businesses coming or are we
getting the head on shows well day.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Through accounts for some of these companies probably still has
a fusty billion dollar budget.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
DA from Account's actually makes the decision, but.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Lot success is hard to meet.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
It.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
There's two things, which is quality and quantity of who's
turned up. The second one we won't know for two
or three years, which is do we actually then see
a significant increase in investment leading to more jobs, etc.
The first one is easy to calculate and we'll know
that within a week. The second one is going to
(06:29):
take more time and you're never going to know is
this because of the investment summit, etc.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, Hey, just finally before we go the bin's issues
read its head again. In huangan Nui, the council has
decided to ditch their plans for a food scrap bin,
even though they already brought nineteen thousand of them and
slap the council logo on the side. They're going to
have to throw those in the bin now because they're
just really unpopular and also they add to your rate spell,
(06:56):
which is obviously not what people want at this time. Jack,
are you are you at home home composter?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Do you know?
Speaker 4 (07:02):
I'm an at home composter and I'm an at home
worm binner, But I'm also a user of the little
green bins because you can't. I can't put like meat
and bread in my compost and my word bin and
my worm bin, so I put that in the in
the green bin. And the one thing I actually really
like about the green bins is I think having consistency
(07:23):
nationwide about what you can throw out, recycle, put in
food bins and stuff, I think that is really good.
But yeah, if anyone's got a bright idea with what
Wanganui Distant Council can do with's nineteen thousand of these things.
I'm sure they're all is.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well in Auckland. I know because we did this on
Telly a few years ago, where I think only forty
percent of people use them in Auckland, and a lot
of people are emailing and saying they're perfect for the
kid's lego. So if you've got lego around the house
or toys, yeah, it's a great one.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
That's a great suggestion.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
So that's a really good suggestion.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, David, what about you? Are you like Jack? Are
you a compost them?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
And I used three where I lived on the Lifestyle Block, etc.
But not at the moment. But funnily enough, the more people,
the fact we already have so many people who already
compose as an argument against a very expensive curbside food
scraps program because you've already got those who are motivated
doing it. And there was research done by Ministry for
(08:23):
the Environment on why more people where there are food
scrap services don't use them because only one and four
use them on a regular basis. And the biggest thing
is people just don't like the smell. They don't want
smelly food scraps sitting around the house all week, and
that's you know, perfectly natural. So I think it was
a dart policy to be honest, to start with, as
(08:44):
just a pussy. They waited until they ordered ninety thousand
bids before they changed their mind.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Cletainly is they're all now going in the bin themselves,
of course. Thank you, Thank you, guys, David Ferrer and
Jack Tame.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
For more from Hither duplessy Ellen Drive, listen live to
news talks it Be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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