Auckland's mayor's adamant he won't be drawing up housing maps and plans for the Minister just yet.
Housing Minister Chris Bishop's recently backed down on Auckland’s housing density plans, cutting the city’s theoretical capacity from two million homes to 1.6 million.
He's asked Auckland Council to send an updated summary on provisional zoning changes by March 17.
But mayor Wayne Brown says they won't invest millions on maps without more clarity, and they don't materialise at the press of a button.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, the Housing Minister has written to the Mayor of
Auckland wanting to know which suburbs are going to be
see the most housing intensification. Chris Bishop produced Auckland's intensification
requirements in February, but it's unclear where exactly in the
city possible future development will have to be scaled back.
Mayor Wayne Brown's is preparing a map for the Minister
will be too expensive, so he's not going to do it.
And he's with us in studio, Wayne Hallo, why not
(00:22):
just do a map.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm the mayor of Auckland, okay, and we will decide
what Auckland does. Okay. Has been enough influence from down there. Personally,
I get on well with Bishop. That's not the problem
with the Bishop. Wayne.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
You've got to stop playing with the microphone. I can't
even hear you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Okay Again, you're the mayor of Auckland, okay, and we
want to decide what Auckland's like. That's what one hundred
and eighty thousand people vaded for me to do. Yeah,
and the Bishop's idea of intensification I agree with. We're
quite clear. We don't have a problem with each other.
He's having a problem with his nest vipus that he's
(01:00):
in Wellington.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
With, Well, why not just do the maps and show
the ministers, show the MPs for Auckland. Even Auckland is
where the intensifications going.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
First of all, right, at the moment the government are
saying darft things like we need a rates cap. You're
don't have to spend any money and a lot's supposed
to do. And so we're already doing what the law says,
which is get ready for two million house sites, which
isn't two million houses, it's too million potential house sites.
And we're going to intensify where it makes sense, where
we've got infrastructure and where we've got trains and buses
(01:33):
going through certain areas. Those are the sensible places and
that's where it will take place once we got going
on that there. That is what we are spending money.
And this costs a lot of money. We've got fifty
five people full time reading ten thousand submissions from the
public about the two million thing and the intensification.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And you've spent about is it thirteen million dollars.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Another three million since the Christmas doing those things, and
it's a very expensive millions go up straight away what
they suggested. And then then some of them are more
nervous act in New Zealand and National Party MPs of thinking,
oh my god, they're going to have multi story buildings
(02:17):
in our suburb. We're all those leafy green people, And
well that's what happens. This is the world's biggest suburb.
It's going to become a city. I live in a
multi story building. Lots of people do, and so it's
going to be in those sensible places. But the number
of two million came because we'd already had a medium
Density Residence thing MDRS that gave every house sight in
(02:41):
Auckland could get three three story buildings, whether you like
it or not. Stupid, So have you multiplied it? You
get two million, Why don't you just do the maps
because it's not that easy. It costs a lot of money.
And so this is just we've it's been thirteen million
and we haven't even got anywhere.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Ye But okay, so that they do, and fair enough
that you don't want to even that they do the
law change. How hard is it to pump out a map?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well, it's not a button. If you press a button
in the council you're lucky to get a lift. That
is just some idiotcy that from some person who's living
on some other planet.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Your deputy messes you can just upscale.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Just upside is completely wrong on that. And she's worried
about the people in her suburb. A lot of the
people in her suburity actually want to build big, long apartments.
So you's gonna be careful there, because not everybody is
against us at all. A lot of people want things
this and so it's very expensive to do this, and
we would be expending all that money on the off
(03:41):
chance the twenty cabinet ministers, of whom ten don't even
live in Auckland would decide it's okay, well we're not
going to do that. We might do the first part
of his letter, which sees that this is the way
we would We'll be looking at the most popular bus
routes and the less popular bus routs, the most popular
(04:01):
trainers that the probably but we're not going to do
the work because it's going to cost a lot of money.
On the off chance that they may say yes, and
this is a ground that thinks they're going to put
a rates cap on me, forcing the lost mate that's
not coming. Just stop it right now, and we're not
forcing them.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
To do wayne is to pass the law blind, aren't you.
They have no idea where the intensification in the city
will happen. So they passed the law and then they
might it might create.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
It might happen to be where you live, mister Seymour,
and in fact I'll make sure it is.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So are you trying to screw mister Seymour?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
No, No, he's trying to screw me and there's no
way that's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
But are you trying Is there something that you're trying
to do? Are you trying to screw the scrum for
them to make quite happy?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
A lot of a lot of the council actually want
the maximum. This is to save the National Party thing.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Are you trying to screw the National Party?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
No, I'm independent and I remember of any of them.
What I'm trying to do is not waste money. That
was a reason people voted for me. Don't do stuff
that may not be even value. So we could spend
millions of dollars and twenty people in Wellington ten of
food and don't even live here would say, oh, we
don't like that. That's got my true.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
So when do we get the maps? Because surely, as
Auckland rate payers, we at least deserve to know what's
going to happen with the intensification.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
You're going to have intensification in places where there is
all of the infrastructure and you are near a railway
station and a bus station, right, Okay, that's where it's
going to be. So if you're living in how don't
worry because I mean, we are the people who are
(05:38):
invested in these things. Are they not just stupid.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
As you're saying it is. We can get doctor Chris Knox,
who works for the Herald and Wellington to pump out
one of these maps for us. So why can't you
people do it?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Well, I don't believe that's true anyhow, I know, doctor.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Shall we see the first but which is one of
our data guys pumps out the bat fist. You've got
to tell Auckland is like we have to be able
to look at a map.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
It's this is do you know nothing about the reserve?
About you? How to get a resource consent? It goes
to independent commissioners. We've got we've all signed them up.
They're booked for the next eighteen months. They're going to
cost millions of dollars. They will go through this and
come up. There are ten thousand submissions in there now
(06:19):
and we've spent We've got fifty five people who've only
got through a third of them already. Now if we
change the rules now we have to go back to
those people, plus anybody else who thinks they've got another
something to say. So it is just completely ridiculous waste
of money. On the off chance that a group of
twenty people in Wellington, ten of whom don't live here,
(06:41):
none of whom have ever had a resource consent in
their life, well they will have the right to say
yes or no get lost and Aucklanders will find out
where these are eventually. And those people who've gotten interest
have put their their ten thousand written in great long
spiels and about this. It's very expensive. I don't waste money.
And those people weren't elected to make a decision about
(07:04):
Uckland and so, and they're all worried about being elected
later this year. Whether I don't care whether they're elected
later this year or not. Yeah, well I will my
and my counsel, we'll listen to orchanders. We will come
out with a sensible, rational system based on evidence. We've
got more of these things to come out this year
(07:24):
year only on the on the PC WAD and twenty
later this year we get control of Aalkland Transport. The
first thing we're going to do is a thirty year
transport plan, Oh lord, Wayne. And that is going to
be based on common sense and it's not going to
be based on roads of National Party significance, which are
there to get re elected. It'll be on the most
people get around the.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Don't tell me you're being fair on the National Party.
I look forward. I look forward Wayne, just a party.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I'm not against them any more than the others discussion.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
They're all awful. Okay, we're going. We're going Wayne round
Auckland Mare in studio with me for more from Hither
Duplessy Alan dro Listen live to news Talks It be
from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
Now, the Housing Minister has written to the Mayor of
Auckland wanting to know which suburbs are going to be
see the most housing intensification. Chris Bishop produced Auckland's intensification
requirements in February, but it's unclear where exactly in the
city possible future development will have to be scaled back.
Mayor Wayne Brown's is preparing a map for the Minister
will be too expensive, so he's not going to do it.
And he's with us in studio, Wayne Hallo, why not
(00:22):
just do a map.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm the mayor of Auckland, okay, and we will decide
what Auckland does. Okay. Has been enough influence from down there. Personally,
I get on well with Bishop. That's not the problem
with the Bishop. Wayne.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
You've got to stop playing with the microphone. I can't
even hear you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Okay Again, you're the mayor of Auckland, okay, and we
want to decide what Auckland's like. That's what one hundred
and eighty thousand people vaded for me to do. Yeah,
and the Bishop's idea of intensification I agree with. We're
quite clear. We don't have a problem with each other.
He's having a problem with his nest vipus that he's
(01:00):
in Wellington.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
With, Well, why not just do the maps and show
the ministers, show the MPs for Auckland. Even Auckland is
where the intensifications going.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
First of all, right, at the moment the government are
saying darft things like we need a rates cap. You're
don't have to spend any money and a lot's supposed
to do. And so we're already doing what the law says,
which is get ready for two million house sites, which
isn't two million houses, it's too million potential house sites.
And we're going to intensify where it makes sense, where
we've got infrastructure and where we've got trains and buses
(01:33):
going through certain areas. Those are the sensible places and
that's where it will take place once we got going
on that there. That is what we are spending money.
And this costs a lot of money. We've got fifty
five people full time reading ten thousand submissions from the
public about the two million thing and the intensification.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And you've spent about is it thirteen million dollars.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Another three million since the Christmas doing those things, and
it's a very expensive millions go up straight away what
they suggested. And then then some of them are more
nervous act in New Zealand and National Party MPs of thinking,
oh my god, they're going to have multi story buildings
(02:17):
in our suburb. We're all those leafy green people, And
well that's what happens. This is the world's biggest suburb.
It's going to become a city. I live in a
multi story building. Lots of people do, and so it's
going to be in those sensible places. But the number
of two million came because we'd already had a medium
Density Residence thing MDRS that gave every house sight in
(02:41):
Auckland could get three three story buildings, whether you like
it or not. Stupid, So have you multiplied it? You
get two million, Why don't you just do the maps
because it's not that easy. It costs a lot of money.
And so this is just we've it's been thirteen million
and we haven't even got anywhere.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Ye But okay, so that they do, and fair enough
that you don't want to even that they do the
law change. How hard is it to pump out a map?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well, it's not a button. If you press a button
in the council you're lucky to get a lift. That
is just some idiotcy that from some person who's living
on some other planet.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Your deputy messes you can just upscale.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Just upside is completely wrong on that. And she's worried
about the people in her suburb. A lot of the
people in her suburity actually want to build big, long apartments.
So you's gonna be careful there, because not everybody is
against us at all. A lot of people want things
this and so it's very expensive to do this, and
we would be expending all that money on the off
(03:41):
chance the twenty cabinet ministers, of whom ten don't even
live in Auckland would decide it's okay, well we're not
going to do that. We might do the first part
of his letter, which sees that this is the way
we would We'll be looking at the most popular bus
routes and the less popular bus routs, the most popular
(04:01):
trainers that the probably but we're not going to do
the work because it's going to cost a lot of money.
On the off chance that they may say yes, and
this is a ground that thinks they're going to put
a rates cap on me, forcing the lost mate that's
not coming. Just stop it right now, and we're not
forcing them.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
To do wayne is to pass the law blind, aren't you.
They have no idea where the intensification in the city
will happen. So they passed the law and then they
might it might create.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
It might happen to be where you live, mister Seymour,
and in fact I'll make sure it is.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So are you trying to screw mister Seymour?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
No, No, he's trying to screw me and there's no
way that's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
But are you trying Is there something that you're trying
to do? Are you trying to screw the scrum for
them to make quite happy?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
A lot of a lot of the council actually want
the maximum. This is to save the National Party thing.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Are you trying to screw the National Party?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
No, I'm independent and I remember of any of them.
What I'm trying to do is not waste money. That
was a reason people voted for me. Don't do stuff
that may not be even value. So we could spend
millions of dollars and twenty people in Wellington ten of
food and don't even live here would say, oh, we
don't like that. That's got my true.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
So when do we get the maps? Because surely, as
Auckland rate payers, we at least deserve to know what's
going to happen with the intensification.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
You're going to have intensification in places where there is
all of the infrastructure and you are near a railway
station and a bus station, right, Okay, that's where it's
going to be. So if you're living in how don't
worry because I mean, we are the people who are
(05:38):
invested in these things. Are they not just stupid.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
As you're saying it is. We can get doctor Chris Knox,
who works for the Herald and Wellington to pump out
one of these maps for us. So why can't you
people do it?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Well, I don't believe that's true anyhow, I know, doctor.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Shall we see the first but which is one of
our data guys pumps out the bat fist. You've got
to tell Auckland is like we have to be able
to look at a map.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
It's this is do you know nothing about the reserve?
About you? How to get a resource consent? It goes
to independent commissioners. We've got we've all signed them up.
They're booked for the next eighteen months. They're going to
cost millions of dollars. They will go through this and
come up. There are ten thousand submissions in there now
(06:19):
and we've spent We've got fifty five people who've only
got through a third of them already. Now if we
change the rules now we have to go back to
those people, plus anybody else who thinks they've got another
something to say. So it is just completely ridiculous waste
of money. On the off chance that a group of
twenty people in Wellington, ten of whom don't live here,
(06:41):
none of whom have ever had a resource consent in
their life, well they will have the right to say
yes or no get lost and Aucklanders will find out
where these are eventually. And those people who've gotten interest
have put their their ten thousand written in great long
spiels and about this. It's very expensive. I don't waste money.
And those people weren't elected to make a decision about
(07:04):
Uckland and so, and they're all worried about being elected
later this year. Whether I don't care whether they're elected
later this year or not. Yeah, well I will my
and my counsel, we'll listen to orchanders. We will come
out with a sensible, rational system based on evidence. We've
got more of these things to come out this year
(07:24):
year only on the on the PC WAD and twenty
later this year we get control of Aalkland Transport. The
first thing we're going to do is a thirty year
transport plan, Oh lord, Wayne. And that is going to
be based on common sense and it's not going to
be based on roads of National Party significance, which are
there to get re elected. It'll be on the most
people get around the.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Don't tell me you're being fair on the National Party.
I look forward. I look forward Wayne, just a party.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I'm not against them any more than the others discussion.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
They're all awful. Okay, we're going. We're going Wayne round
Auckland Mare in studio with me for more from Hither
Duplessy Alan dro Listen live to news Talks It be
from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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