Winston Peters: NZ First leader says Nats, Labour have record of 'attacking super'

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon plans to start lifting the pension age if National get back into government after the coming election.

Bipartisan support will most likely be needed to make this happen as parties, like NZ First, are staunchly against the reform.

"Please do not attack grandmother and grandmother's savings to try and disguise for a brief time your economic incompetence," Winston Peters said to Heather du Plessis-Allan

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good afternoon. Chris Luxton Luxon says he wants to start
lifting the pension age as soon as National gets back
into government after the November election. He concedes, though, that
he will need bipartisan support to make this happen. New
Zealand First Leader Winston Peters, who will almost certainly be
part of that coalition, is with us now, high Winston. Hello,
he needs bipartisan support because you're not going to support it,

(00:21):
are you.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Ah, Look, you have the lesson of the classic and
labor and Nationals got a long record of attacking super
going way back to the syr attax. And then it's worse.
It was ninety two cents and a dollar for anybody's savings.
And so where we go, Here we go again. You
know what, they don't admit that they're failing to run
the economy property and as a consequence, and as a consequence,

(00:43):
we have got difficulty here and that and that's simply
as you okay, So can I can I just say
to you it's only it's only five point two percent
of our GDP. Now that's half of what other country's
struggling with. And so in the end of the day,
confront the problem. The problem is we're not running the
econom like we've done or should and we should not

(01:04):
be attacking the elder. Then we should not be taken
a young and please do not attack grandmother and grandmother's
savings to try and disguise for a brief time your
economic incompetence.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
So are you big words, Winston? Are you saying that
before they start cutting the pension they should start cutting
other wasteful spending.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Well, precisely, of course. Well there's a whole host of
that spending that is not an enormous waste of money.
I can show you the amount of time money we're
spending on sort of good projects, sort of nice to do,
feel good projects which have no value whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
To give example, and.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Oh look, can I just say to you take for
example our health situation. We will never get on top
of our health problems. We do not confront the fact
that we have got a dietary problem in our country.
And you've got all these people saying we want to
see Mari and pop reasons the same performance in terms
of health as Europeans. Well, I'm afraid until we change
and be honest with people about their diety, invitary habits.

(02:05):
We're not going to get a big change enough. We're
going to make massive savings there.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Okay, So I've got an example of wasteful spending that
could be cut, which is the third year that we're
paying for free for university students when they could pay
for it themselves. And I said to Nichola Willis, why
don't you cut that instead? And she said, Winston won't
let me.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Oh, for goodness, say, can I just tell you set
up front that has what we're going to do just
like you say, and we're going to spend it on
bitter spending.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
We've had two budgets includ where it's going to be your.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Budget league, right here, right now. I'll give you a
budget right here, right now. The answer is yes. Please
don't believe people. I'm glad you've asked and you've checked
that with me, because it's not true. We're going to
reshape it and repurpose it for the trades and whole
lot of industries where we do need it, and we're
going to get a far bit of pay back for
our money, and we'll pay far less money doing it. Please,
good idea, and we have to agree with you.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Welcome up there's more where that came from. What about
we scrapped the women's ministry. Scrap the women's ministry. That's nonsense. Well,
get some courage, scrap these nonsense ministries.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Well, look, let me tell you I know a little
bit about this. The first women's minister was a man.
I know have been ridiculous from the day one. Please
don't tell me. And I don't know. I've lived through
it all, unlike a whole lot of people, I haven't
been a man five minutes.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
That's the same thing as Barry Sop at the minute
you get into a fight with them, you start talking
about history. Now, okay, let's get this on the record.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
You want to know you know why, because people who
repeat the people don't understand history, repeat the mistakes of history.
Don't you know that?

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Well that story. God, it's not a good argument though,
for why you won't scrap the women's ministry.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Well, I don't see it has any purpose because it's
not helping women. So like the Retirement commissioner, what I
was doing for tired people? Here comes this argument, Lily
right now, next chustiness, what are you doing for tired people?

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, well, steal a bunch of X ideas and actually
do the thing that they don't have the courage to
start nuking these ridiculous ministries will save us millions.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Excuse me. The first thing that the first thing the
ACTA did was set up a very expensive ministry, costing
more than the other ministry. Yeah, how do you know that?

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Okay, listen, I need to get something on the record
from UK. Number one, Are you going to support national
raising the pension age?

Speaker 2 (04:18):
No, we're not going to do that because the fact
of the matter is that five point two percent is
highly affordable. What they're going to do is want to
far more sound of economy and we're saying to the
old PARTI, if you can't do that, hop out of
the way. Another party will called the zeil On. First,
we'll do precisely that on means and sound ideas that
go forward and do things. The second thing we're going
to make sure is we look after the older and
we're the only ones who ever depend them in the

(04:39):
first place. And so if you're an old person out
there listening to the show, even if you're driving as
we speak, hundreds of thousands of you are having your
futures threatened one only one player's got a record or
have their helping you and you're talking to it.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Are you going to if they get clever and they go, okay, cool,
We're not going to lift the age of the pension,
but we're going to means test it. Would you support that.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Utterly? Not for goodness sake? Where the Run Party stood
out against it August time and restored thanks to where
they were after Labor National and Math Sequence had attacked it,
So why would we go back on our record of achievement?

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Winston's good to talk to you, have a lovely weekend,
Winston Peter's New Zealand First Leader. For more from Hither
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