All four the same (12 May 2026)

Marcus talks the Auckland Habour crossing choices, and discusses where people are the whingiest.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Marcus lush Night's podcast from News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
I'm a sucker for fast food, limited available options. I
see in Australia KFC has brought back the hot rods?
Did we have those here? Look ghastly. It's like a
hot dog, but it's chicken on a stick. I'm not
very good. It's curious wherever had them here? With creamy aole.
I When do we start putting ali on everything? I'm
sure it can't be good for you. It feels free

(00:34):
six the side of your arteries anyway. That's just a
question for me. Did we ever do them hot rods?
They're all big in Australia. It seems to me where
you go with fast food, you've got to bring back
old items from time to time to get the occasional
people coming through. How are you people? What's happening here
on midnight?

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Here?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
To keep you going? Kiir Starmer, Sir, Kiir Starmer. He
might resign tonight. The pressure is mounting. The more conservative
papers are saying he might go. The more headline grabbing
ones are saying he will go, and it will be tonight,

(01:11):
so that'll happen. You know, we know how it happens, right,
because they bring the lec turn out to the front
of number ten. And last time there was a lectern,
I can't remember. I think Liz trust went, then Richie
soon got and then he got voted out, and Richie

(01:31):
so got voted out. It seems to be because he
wore eddidesk Gazelle's and people thought, well, they're a cool
shoe and he shouldn't be wearing those. He wrecked a
shoe and then amazing, But yeah, I felt the same.
If you're the prime minister, you don't try and actually
impress the people, the members of the public by wearing

(01:52):
a trendy sneaker because people are saying, oh, well, I
can't with her anymore. They cost them a fortune erect it.
In fact, it wasn't the Gazelle. It was the Edidas Samba.
He ruined it by trying too hard to look And
you remember him, he sat on like an ottoman, No,
not like an ottoman, like a day bed with a

(02:12):
white shirt and black pants and black and white edded
their sombers and look ridiculous and it's never the same since.
But I think he was the last guy, and I
think then he came out the front with the honor.
He got voted out, but Liz Trust was the last
one they had the lectern and then she said and
suit prepared speech here. But that's what happened. And bearing
in mind, there was a guy down the end of

(02:33):
the road playing music on a loud speaker, because that's
what they do in the UK, because they've got freedom
of the press. How are you going people, what's happening?
One of his Marcus welcome eddal twelve hot dogs? K
what was it called hot rods? Oh, it's like a
hot dog, but it's a hot rod. I'll tell you

(02:54):
what it is a hot topic. So who likes transport?
Hands up if you like transport, no, I can see you.
Hands up if you like discussing transport. Even more people there,
hands up now doing play school. It's been announced today
that the announcement will be soon for the Auckland Harbor
crossing because the bridge now is sixty five years old

(03:16):
and it costs twenty five million dollars a year to maintain.
For those who haven't got the history, lesson that once
upon a time we built a bridge and open in
nineteen fifty nine and what was the North Shore, which
was just batches and small beach communities that were reached
by ferries and strange articular transport barges pushed by tag Suddenly,

(03:39):
overnight the North Shore went from a couple of lovely
beaches with batches and night carts and tank water to
probably half a million people, and it filled up almost overnight.
Then they had the tolls. We always had the tolls,
and the tolls when people went back and forward and
they lived there and they loved it, but lately not

(04:00):
so much because the traffic is a disaster. And if
at the end of fongar Parawa to get to work
takes you our because you're stuck on a queue. So
we're going to get a new harbour crossing, not just
to make commuting easier, but because the old bridge is
stuffed and hopefully it will be more resilient and we'll
take trains. Will it be a bridge, Will it be

(04:20):
a tunnel, Will it be a bridge tunnel. I've got
no idea, although I remember these discussions and what people
say is tunneling is more expensive because we're not like
Sydney with our sandstone, and we're not like London with
their sandstone because they bored under the Thames quite easily.
I think London's on sandstone, but Aucklands a different kettle

(04:44):
of fish. So you've got gray, wacky and sedimentary rocks
and stuff, and it's not quite as good. But you're
either tunnel through it because we did well with a
tunnel with the Waterview tunnel, or you build a bridge,
literally build a bridge. What are you in favor of?
I like the tunnel that you can do more with
a tunnel. I think you can go further. So yes,

(05:07):
they won't talk about that. What do you want bridge
your tunnel? That's wrong And the reason because if you
have a bridge too, there'll be long motorways to get
to the bridge, and that'll take up so many houses
it'll be it'll be cost prohibitive to build. So bridge
your tunnel for Auckland. And someone might discuss coming into
Waterview coming across there. There's also coming across where the

(05:29):
Chelsea sugarworks are. I don't know if you've got a view.
That's what I'm about, So would you because we got
to do it. It's not an option of of of iff.
It's when because the current car strangled spanner, it's on
its way out. Last time a bridge a truck hit
run of the stage. What's that thing called dan? We
discussed that last year. We never knew. We could never

(05:51):
remember what it was called. Is it a stension? Remember
that discussion was a stension? Was a word that like
engineers use, google Harbor bridge, Auckland Harbor, bridge, truck hit
and see what comes up, because that's what we need
to Anyway, the bridge hit that it's made at Warbbly.
I think it's a stension. Maybe it's not. But anyway,

(06:13):
Auckland Harbor, the Wattamata. Do you want to bridge or
do you want a tunnel? If you're South Islander and
you might ooh, what do we cure about Auckland. You'll
be paying for it one way or another. You'll be
paying for it, Yes, but they reckon Saint Mary's Bay
and Northcote is a nightmare for urban design for a bridge.

(06:38):
Where's a tunnel. It's on a volcanic field and you're
boring through basalt, and you're boring through sedimentary rock which
is volatile. But the tunnels don't take the real estate
that up on top takes. Are we good tunnelers. Well,
you remember the Kaimi tunnel. You remember the Milford Tunnel,

(07:00):
Remember Limatucker Tunnel. We love tunnels, the Waterview tunnel. We're
passionate about tunnels. Name the boring machine. That's always the
thing people do. Let's name the boring machine. Then they
have graphics of where the boring machine is. I love
a tunnel or a bridge, not as exciting. That's the
start of for ten being. Marcus, welcome, you get a markus.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
They just two things quickly. I'm not sure about this,
this tender thing from k but you can't beat untenders
from pop Eyes with the Buttomik runch sauce.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
It's not called a tender, it's called a hot rod.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
Yeah, I've seen. I've seen them advertised, went about.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
It's on a stick. It's on a stick like a
hot dog, but it's got a hot rod.

Speaker 6 (07:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
No, we were a case the other night and you
know it was up on.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Oh I thought it was. I don't think it's here yet.

Speaker 7 (07:54):
Is it?

Speaker 8 (07:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (07:54):
No, no, no it's not you know, coming soon and
it's got the Yeah. But no, I'd rather go to
pop Eyes, Marcus. It's just we don't have one yet
I went to one in Mimbericago a few weeks ago
when I was down there, and make delicious the same
as you know when you get a apen, same thing,
but just on this half acrossing Mike, as I've heard

(08:15):
John Key announce this, or I heard Helen Clark announce this,
or her Chris sciptionins announce us. The same thing's been
announced the last twenty five years, nothing's happened.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
I think they're at the stage now they know it
needs to happen because the old bridge is falling apart.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
Yeah, I get that, but you know how many announcements
do we need on the same thing from different people.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Well, they're doing boors, they're drilling holes to work out
where it goes. Because no, I mean, yeah, I don't
know what to say to you, but the announcements, the
announcements in two months.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
Yeah, look, I'll get this sort of an announcement about
an announcement, and we'll announcements on the same thing.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
What they're trying to do is to get you know,
there's going to be both sides supports because it's going
to take twenty years, it's going to cost ten billion
dollars probably twice that, so it's going to be as
expensive as all good out So I need some sort
of cross party support what I would think, Well, well
then it will happen. This is not a nice to have,
this is a must have.

Speaker 8 (09:12):
Yeahh look, I'll get there.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
It's just he announced, you know, fifteen years ago at
a cost of two billion dollars. So I don't know
how it comes twenty when I don't.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Think it was falling apart in John Keys. When did
the truck hit it?

Speaker 5 (09:26):
I'll tell it would be about twenty seventeen, twenty eighty.

Speaker 8 (09:29):
I can't even remember much.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, okay, okay, so that was after he announced it, right.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then hicken has announced it announced
and I think even how in Clark announced it way
back like two thousand and five or something.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Twenty thirteen, John Key announced the proposal for a second
half or crossing after a decade.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
Yeah, and then Helen Clark announced they we're looking into it.
And so they've been looking into this for over twenty years.
I'm surprised no one's made a decision yet.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Well, decisions are hard when you've got a complicated thing
to that, because you've got Nimbi's And you've got people
that don't want roads going past their houses, and you've
got I mean, what all kinds love more than anyth.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
Well, Aucklanders don't love to play more rates.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
They love their houses. They love property.

Speaker 9 (10:13):
The love property, Yeah they do.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
But look, the sooner the thing gets built, the cheaper
it's going to be.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
I think you're probably right there. Keep going with it,
thanks Ben. How much will the toll be? Fifty dollars?
Be fifty dollars? Would it text? Harbor or bridge? Harbor,
bridge or tunnel? Well? What what spins your wheels? Come on?
Bring up and say gondola because that's always there? Who
was involved in the gondolas down there? And who was

(10:42):
involved with the gondolas in Queen's Town? There was a
big deal, wasn't it? To remember that? It was all
go Do you remember that? I guess what was Rod
Drury backing the proposed four hundred million dollar gondola system.
So there we go. There to be a goer, get
in touch you on a talk bridge, your tunnel, bridge,

(11:02):
your tunnel. So far I've got one vote. Didn't mention it.
Of course, Rishi Sonat got soaked with the lectern. That's right,
it poured with rain. I was heartbreaking. It was so
sad because there he was a young guy with so
much potential and so much money, is with billions and
little with his with his edito sad bashoes he has

(11:24):
ridiculed whether they're out there in the rain with his
perfectly quaffed hair, saying well, so yeah, I forget if
he resigned or went to an election. I can't remember
what happened. Did he call an early election? Anyway? Wasn't nice? Oh?
Hopefully ker Starnall started trained and Luxeon can fall on
his sword and sympathy. Goodness, it's all about the bridge

(11:49):
bridge or tunnel or brunnel bridge tunnel or a tounch
tunnel bridge. John's Marcus, good evening.

Speaker 10 (11:59):
Hey John Marcus, here are you good job? I would
say we need to an immersed road tunnel that sits
on the seed bed floor. You don't actually build the mundas.
They don't build the munda, isn't it?

Speaker 8 (12:20):
Yes? Yes?

Speaker 10 (12:21):
And if we wanted to make it a tourist attraction
where you could just do it in glass, so you
could look at the fish and look up at the yachts,
So that would be a real selling feature for New Zealand.
But they do them in Norway and places like that.
Now in Hong Kong they have these. They don't actually
in China does this too. They don't actually drill them under.
So we just put it on the sea beard floor

(12:43):
and put the tunnel through. So they should have done
it years ago.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
What's that called? Does it still a tunnel?

Speaker 10 (12:51):
It's called an immersed tunnel. They sort of take it
out and shells and then they drop them down in
the sea and put them on the seabed floor.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
It must because that's much easier, isn't it. It's cheaper.

Speaker 10 (13:03):
Yeah, such, you.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Put down all the sections so you suck the water out, correct.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
Easy.

Speaker 8 (13:10):
We should have done it years ago.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
How how reasons this kit?

Speaker 9 (13:18):
Anyway?

Speaker 8 (13:19):
That's that's my.

Speaker 11 (13:22):
John.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
I can't tell if you if you're a if you're
a harbor engineer or just a hobbyist. But do you
know about these tunnels on the sea floor?

Speaker 10 (13:32):
Yeah, supposing one in Sydney at the moment, and another
one in Sydney under the harbor, and that'll be on
top of the floor as well. Where the one I've
got at the moment. They've drilled, so Norway stop them
and Hong Kong Fina have them too on the seaboard floor.
So that's what we'd have to do and walk on.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
And I've realized what the whole secret with Sydney's trendsport is.
You know what the secret is? The toll They play
a fortune. They're about a hundred bucks a week and
told each they play a fortune. Yeah, but they get right.
I get the roads done, don't they? John, that's got
there's excellent. That's two very good calls. Twenty two pass
and eight our way one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Oh,

(14:15):
there's a sixty dollars I exaggerated when I said one
hundred dollars they would, But there's a sixty dollars cap.
You're Marcus making stuff up again. Whatever happened to the
Ocean Flyer? The flying boats up and running by twenty
twenty five? That was never going to fly? Got to
be twin tunnels? Why to complete with a bridge? Maybe

(14:36):
there could be both a bridge and a tunnel, Marcus,
I'm a South Islander, but I think the tunnel would
be the way to go purely. With a bridge, you
could have closures due to things like high wind and
to gain on it would be that another nightmare. So
going underground would surely be more open, even if the
cost is slightly more. I think the cost would be twice.
I wouldn't know, though, Why are you pronouncing aoli like

(14:58):
it's a bacteria? What bacteria? Hold your horses back on it?
I'm going to throw a side tip top of catch
if someone has texted right, all that Aucklanders love doing
is winging, which I reckon will be the wingiest place.
Who winges the most in New Zealand?

Speaker 12 (15:16):
Why don't they?

Speaker 3 (15:16):
It'd be Aucklanders, which is the wingiest place. We're not
getting who winges the most? Is it the Krpitty Coast?
Is it Nelson? Text me who you think is the
wingiest city? And what are they normally winging about? Tracy Marcus,
welcome hi Marcus.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Bridges and tunnels, Well, Dad always said that a tunnel
is more safer because in a year shouted from the
wind and storms and everything, that bridges will always be cheaper.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Keith thought the tunnel was safer.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Yeah, tunnel safer.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Oh, I don't thinkon tunnels safer? What about a quake?

Speaker 4 (16:01):
It protects you from the wind and storms and all that.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
But it was your dad just like hobbyist. Did he
know some stuff?

Speaker 4 (16:08):
He was pretty good.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
But was he like a roading engineer?

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (16:13):
Was he?

Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah? And it'll be way.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
He didn't say that. Is he a roading engineer?

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
And he was.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
I supposed to just imagine he was.

Speaker 7 (16:23):
That as fair enough.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Good point. There's a great and it would be.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
Cheaper to put up a bridge than the tunnel, so
they all just look at the cheapest, I believe.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
And Google does say tunnels are safer to that were
tunnels don't collapse, do they?

Speaker 4 (16:43):
I wouldn't say so.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
I would have thought a tunnel was less safe with
an undation and undation and stuff and seismic events. Maybe
a tunnel is more dangerous to make because people are
always dying tunneling. If we go back to the Milford
Tunnel and the Kaimi Tunnel and.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
The he's still talking to me, Marcus, Yeah, yeah, I
think I'd be safer in a tunnel, I think.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
And on top of the bridge, people don't like driving
on bridges today. They often in the Harbor Bridge, right, Yeah,
have you've been across the Harbor Bridge?

Speaker 13 (17:21):
Tracy I have yes.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Often people don't like going on the outside lane. They
don't like to look straight down. They prefer to go them.
But ironically the middle lane was both the most dangerous
because before they had the median barrier, the middle always
had potential head on collisions. Yeah, would you be an
outside pers or inside person? What'd your father say about that?

(17:46):
Where was he happy on a bridge?

Speaker 4 (17:47):
I hat didn't mind bridges.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Okay, nice to talk, Tracy, thank you. It was a
roading engineer. Waraca are the Winges people. I have an
online business and the amount of people who complain on
Winge are often from Warnaca. Can't keep them happy. Napier
complain the most, mostly about each other. Nelson got to
be Nelson for Winges. The Wines to South Island is

(18:10):
whining that there's too much attention given to Auckland and Lowell.
At cheers, Lisa Marc has just had a Korean mac
dunk from McDonald's that was quite nice but a bit spicy.
Also had a triple cheeseburger. Those things have got small,
only the size of a double cheeseburger. Now are they
called that flation shrink? What do they call that shrink? Flation?
Malcolm Marcus.

Speaker 14 (18:30):
Welcome just month, I'm here talking about Wines. Yes, definitely,
Wellington and Auckland.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Okay, and what about the tunnel bridge or some more
on that year.

Speaker 14 (18:45):
Well, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 8 (18:47):
The two cities are.

Speaker 14 (18:49):
Full of nimbi's. You know what I mean by that? Yes,
not in my backyard. Yes, you know what I mean
by that.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yes, that would be an acronym, wouldn't it.

Speaker 14 (19:04):
Yeah, well monke Victoria. I don't live there, by the words,
but every attempt to build the second tunnel through Momentvictoria
is being blocked by them. And there's a second tunnel
that was built fifty years ago that was never finished off,
and they still fight it like you wouldn't know? What?

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Do you know what banana stands for?

Speaker 14 (19:28):
No?

Speaker 3 (19:28):
I don't build absolutely nothing any anything. Do you think
they might be banana?

Speaker 15 (19:35):
I love that?

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Do you know what? Do you know what? Do you
know what a cave is?

Speaker 2 (19:40):
O cave?

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, citizens against citizens against virtually anything.

Speaker 14 (19:46):
Yeah, it's got that's lovely, but not seriously. I mean
I live in Wellington.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Oh really, I didn't pick that up and.

Speaker 14 (19:58):
That I have since it's and I'll tell you what.
You drive around Wellington drive you and I have to
do it. It drives you nuts. And those guys in
mind Victoria. I hope some of them are listening tonight.
I hope you get a response. But they have set

(20:20):
the city.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Back so much.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Okay, so you're again the control, but you'd favorite you'd
be in favor of more tunnels in Wellington.

Speaker 14 (20:30):
Oh and if you were going to do one on
the the White matare you know instead of the bridge.
I will leave you with a little thop. Bring on
the Italian tunnels because they have a history of building
the best tunnels have ever been made in Yew Zealand.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Okay, so that's a big guess from you.

Speaker 14 (20:54):
No, no, it's not a guess. Yes, yes, you you
you search it out.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
And I'm familiar with the tunnels. I'm familiar with the
Italian tunnels. They're out there for the scheme in the world.

Speaker 14 (21:08):
Some of the best tunnels in New Zealand. I even
go back to Manipuri, you know the original tunnel that
was them. Yeah, anyway, thank you.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
So you you are a ymbi what you means a
yimb means yes in my backyard and there'd be you. Yeah,
I have Donald brilliant got that sort. Were there Italian
tunnels at Manapuri? I'm quite sure if there were, Yes,

(21:42):
there were tong Manipurti, there were Italian tunnelers. You still
meet people from overseas in Southland that came across here
for the Matapurti project, from all parts of Europe. I think. Anyway,
twenty five to nine and Wingiest City, so one of

(22:05):
one more of Kirstama's cabinet people have resigned. So they
go and go and go into all he goes. This
is a key stumma. We're keeping eye on this. It
could happen tonight. They bring up the leg turn John,
this is Marcus. Welcome, good evening, Hello Marcus.

Speaker 15 (22:21):
But Wringiest City in New Zealand. It's not so much
about the city but one of its inhabitants. He's married
to a cousin of mine and he's always complaining about
the government. No matter what government it is, he has
to whinge about it. Where is he, where is he's

(22:44):
in tomorrow?

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Even the last he can plain about the last time
he canplain about this lot.

Speaker 15 (22:50):
Oh I complain about anybody?

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Is he is he ringing you on the fire? Or
is it family occasions.

Speaker 15 (22:57):
Oh well, when I ring it more, ring his wife
and say how's Johnny? Ah, he's all right, he's still complaining.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
But you ring him. That's nice. You must be fond
of him.

Speaker 15 (23:15):
Oh you know, he's he's probably gonna heart of gold
and then give you the shirt off his back. But God,
nothing in the world is right. Wow, unless it's all
done his way.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
I wonder what his way looks. I wonder what his
way looks like.

Speaker 15 (23:35):
Oh, I don't know, but oh it's always the government,
the government to heaven, got a clue he could sort
the government down in five minutes.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Really, Wow'd be curious if he did, actually, wouldn't it?

Speaker 15 (23:52):
He got the picture?

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah? Nice, Thank you John, Thanks you very much. Oh
turn eighty ten eighty Jacob Marcus, welcome, Hi, Jacob a.

Speaker 9 (24:04):
Hey, Yeah, talking about one. The wind city in New
Zealand would have to be Wanaka. They had a follow
war when they heard McDonald's were coming to town, and.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
They didn't they whine about that, why till.

Speaker 9 (24:15):
The still bloody crime to it this day. Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Are you there?

Speaker 9 (24:24):
Yes, I am handing out tissues which right and center?

Speaker 3 (24:27):
No, okay, but but I just tr't to think you
might have picked it up in the media or actually
lived there. They do seem wing a yeah, very okay,
good on you, Jacob. Think you're the wingiest city because
we say, we talk about the harborbridge on a bridge
or do you want a tunnel? Marcus? The Italians brought
the north Tick Viaduct is stunning structure. It's hollow, you

(24:49):
can walk through it. I don't even know what that is.
I have to look that one up. I thought I
knew my railway infrastructure. North A Viaduct. Oh, that's the
mong We know that is the mong A Wiker Viaduct.
I think it was hollow? Is it?

Speaker 13 (25:06):
Well?

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Could you walk through it? By the way people nineteen
to nine Marcus, we call it wow wow Warnica, quite good,
wow wow Warnica Marcus. I'm driving towards the city on
Tarmaki driver. Right now, our harbor Bridge is lit up
in a beautiful green hue. We do not need a

(25:28):
second bridge. We need a tunnel. The tunnel is far
a bitter, fast, safer and more pleasing to a beautiful
city of Sales. Richard Marcus. I'm not from Auckland, but
it seems to me that everyone else complains about Auckland.
I think it's a fantastic city with no Complainer's worst
place would be tot On Jimmy Google, nineteen ninety nine.

(25:49):
Mount Blanc tunnel fire truck carrying Margarine caught fire. You
don't be caught in a tunnel fire. And we're talking
do you want a tunnel or do you want a bridge?
And what sort of tunnel and what sort of bridge?
This is for the replacement of the Harbor bridge, which
is sixty five years old and at the end of
its life it's costing twenty five million dollars a year

(26:10):
to maintain or to fix or keep fit for purpose.
So Luke Metcalf's on the way out. I don't know
what happened to me. Came back for a game. It
wasn't any good, But there we go. That's happening. That's
the Warriors for you. If anyone's walked through this bridge,
there's viaduct of Loquatch you if that's a thing. But

(26:31):
get in touch people seven from nine. Ah, yes, keep
those texts coming. The second harbor crossing where the second
harbor crossing, it's probably going to be the primary harbor crossing.
Of the old bridges decommissioned. But what they want is
they want both parties to be in sync because if
you do it, it's going to take twenty years. Would

(26:52):
it take it take ten years? Wouldn't it take ten?
They're already doing bores. They're boring samples to work out
where it could go and what it could be test bores.
This is according to Chris Bishop. Mind you. He says
have to be both governments to be involved, but they
haven't asked the opposition party for twenty of the meetings. Apparently,
that's according to reading about that today. Decision mid year

(27:15):
in the next few months on bridge versus tunnel? Where's
this about the bars? Building a second crossy will be
expensive whether it's a bridge or a tunnel, So planning
and funding options through a toll or otherwise would need
to be worked through in good faith. That's the plan.
I can't I've gone back to look and I can't

(27:36):
see that. Oh, enteritya competed land and sea based geogechnical
investigations at the White to Matar. At the end of
last year, more than one thirty bore holes were drilled,
with the harbors topography mapped and soil and ground where
someone was collected to bet to understand its ground conditions.
I don't know how if you did a I don't

(27:56):
know how deep the white to matar would be there.
We're not not the matters. You end to a tunnel
on the seafloor, it's not a bad idea, yeah, Or
you could go for gondolas. I'll just check out deep
it is be twenty meters you reckon, it's hard enough

(28:17):
it's deep or not? Kind of drowned river is it
bringing to it? And also the windiest cities one k
has stood out. No one else has really said much
about anything. Depth is to what did I say?

Speaker 4 (28:32):
It was.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Depth twenty meters deeper at point erin, So that's the depth.
So you'd put it down there, drop them down, the tubes,
connect them all, suck the water out, put the cars
in room room room room twelve to nine ten from
nine text, keep those coming. They are great, the mushroom

(28:58):
killers out of solitary. You'd be pleased to know. They
thought you're going to be insultry the whole time. And
now she's worked the system, she's going great. They reckon.
She seems to have become the tabloid obsession. No workers,
she's no words, she's back in the kitchen. Hittle twelve
one of us, Mark has got eating eight hundred and

(29:18):
eighty eighteen eighty.

Speaker 16 (29:20):
Nine.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Breaking news too. When that happens about Kiirs Starmers, Kiir Starmer,
they reckon he's going to go, He's going to resign.
But not yet. They're all saying all as kebnet are resigning.
Time to end the misery. A lot of it was
to do with the fact that Mendelssohn, the guy that
was the investor of the United States close ties with Epstein.

(29:43):
Not a good lock, goes Fars saying bad lock, Peter,
you Mark, you'd be a bridge person.

Speaker 14 (29:53):
No tunnels, I thought I knew your Pete.

Speaker 17 (29:57):
Yeah, no tunnels. Twenty five million dollars per year to
maintain that bridge up there now, because they've got a
pain of a time. They stay one end, they got
all the around they got they just just like a
clocket do they just keep on going around and around
and around that bridge. They build a tunnel and so they're.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Good to paint town. You don't paint a tunnel, No,
just made all around Europe.

Speaker 17 (30:19):
They've got them Switzerland around the place and they've got tunnel,
so why don't we do this maintenance?

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Say on a tunnel, no maintenance at all?

Speaker 17 (30:25):
Oh very little. Yeah, once you have dug the hole.
Pretty much just like the the U Ral going around
Auckland too. They should be proud of our Chris breath.
Oh they spend too much, but you once do it right.
Should be proud of that. Let loop around organ for
the train going up.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
You're going up to the opening. Their pete I might.

Speaker 17 (30:44):
Do your beach, should should be would be good for Augland,
be good for the whole country.

Speaker 18 (30:47):
Really, I can't I can't.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
I can't wait to ever go.

Speaker 17 (30:50):
That'd be brilliant, I reckon. But everybody complaints in our
government or oh it's cost him too much. But you
know they I've been I've been able to seize myself
and have been in London, I've been a Moscow and
all that, those places, and they do them nice. Be
proud you do something. Don't do it cheap, just more.
It's going to cost your damn site more another ten years.

(31:11):
They then they've become playing, oh we should have done this,
do it once? Do it right?

Speaker 3 (31:16):
How's that ride through the Gorge goes up up through
the Auracno Gorge go thaten fixed.

Speaker 17 (31:21):
Yed Ah almost. I think that's just sort of tiling
up there now. I just look read today's paper and
I think you they've got they're doing it at night
and hope they've got they're leading people through that. They're
still sort of working in the daytime. I think they've
opened up more so again today, so it's pretty much
open I think now, but they've still got still caring

(31:41):
and they're still going to close it and do some work,
and it's still a timetable where you have to sort
of go through this sort of thing that I think
at night time it's pretty much open. They close it
the other night again, but I think they've opened up
again now, but during the during the day they're still
doing a little bit of you know, doing a bit
more work to get a one hundred percent open again.
So that's getting there.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Do you still get a paper delivered, Peter, No, I.

Speaker 17 (32:04):
Just get a library.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
What you're one of those guys at the big table Oh.

Speaker 17 (32:09):
Whatever, No, No, their papers there, but the kid.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Used paper reading room. You've got the big take there.
You are reading all about it. That's a great thing
to do.

Speaker 17 (32:17):
I stand by libraries.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Oh, I know I can see you there with that.
I love the news paper reading room one of my
favorite places.

Speaker 17 (32:24):
Oh I got magazines only the paper. Three is the
great place for libraries. They're telling the can they try
to get rid of libraries and their library is part
of the rate payers. It's one thing we don't want,
swimming pools and libraries. It's good for the community, but
old people.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, libraries. What do you say libraries? And what swimming pools?

Speaker 17 (32:42):
Swimming pools or libraries for the kids?

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Cycle ways You can get where you want to go
as long.

Speaker 17 (32:48):
As they put them the right place and not a motorways.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Good on your Peter, Thank you. How are you going? People?
What temping out there? And listen to the Miname is
Marcus Welcome Hidle twelve. He's an interesting email from a
frequent emailer. I have just landed a job and gleds
toon Australia as a mine from forklift operator. I start
on the twenty ninth. It's five too, fly and fly
out four weeks on, one week off, twelve hours a day,

(33:16):
six days per week, four thousand and thirty dollars per week. Meals,
super and accommodation included. I'm planning on selling a house
in Vercaga and moving the family over the next few months.
I'm sick of working for Peanuts and New Zealand. Lots
of good playing jobs going in Gladstone. The brother Johnny,

(33:37):
Good on you, Johnny. I don't know at the top
of my head where Gladstone is, but that's where the
jobs are.

Speaker 14 (33:46):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
And that's ossie dollars?

Speaker 19 (33:50):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (33:52):
Eighty two cents?

Speaker 12 (33:52):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (33:54):
So that's a lot of money, a lot of day
raye me. Gladstone is a port town north of Brisbane,
not as far up as Rockhampton Rocky as they probably
call it. Gee, she's a pretty interesting looking port. Looks
a good town next to Gladstone. Looks free industrial, well

(34:14):
the extractive industries. But yeah, there you go Gladstone. Well'e
be still email.

Speaker 6 (34:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
If it's five FI, I mean would you want to
go back? Yeah? I mean five from in Vcago's a
bit different, isn't it. If you're cold, come back from Gladstone.
Be in touch if you want to be a part
of it. My miss Marcus good evening, oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty text a nine two nine two,
or as Jack Thames says, ninety two ninety two old

(34:45):
anything goes? What have you got? Hit'll twelve and all
across Sykia Stamer. He might resign tonight, might might not.
There seems to be he's begging for his job. Jeeves,
wouldn't be much. We'll get your teed up during the
news of your call. Yep, but here until midnight tonight
be a part of it. As I've said, h Bridge

(35:08):
are a tunnel, the Oakland average, the windiest city and
moving to Australia. Gladstone. Still good jobs there eh two
grand a week to be a four hoist driver. Not
bad here till midnight. Lines will be becoming available at
seven past nine, Whisley, it's Marcus. Good evening, Hey, Marcus.

Speaker 20 (35:28):
Yeah, while you were guys were at the news break,
we had a four point zero earthquake off the south
coast of Wellington.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Quite shallow, quite strong.

Speaker 20 (35:41):
I definitely gave me a good rattle in here, a
new town, quite.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Widely felt, long rolling, short chop shock. What have we got?

Speaker 20 (35:52):
I was more of a roll and a bit of
a sharp shock.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Combo you old chap shot combo. Anything off your shelves, Whisley.

Speaker 20 (36:01):
Ah, nothing had fallen, but definitely rattled my computer screen
because my computer at the time.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Any subsequent shocks are not as of yet. Okay, I
appreciate that. Keep us posted, Wesley, Thank you, so just
backing that up. Guys, are four magnitude four quake is
just at Wellington, twenty five k south of Wellington. I
say Wellington. It's twenty five k south of Wellington. I'm
just looking at the actual Yeah, I'm just looking at

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the actual location of where that is.

Speaker 8 (36:34):
Had a big shake down Willington.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yeah, hey, Rod, Marcus here, welcome, but decided to click
you on. Got even right, it's Marcus.

Speaker 21 (36:42):
Yeah, good, it's yeah's Rod mate. Hey, I've just rung
up about the crossing for the Harbor Bridge.

Speaker 8 (36:48):
Yep.

Speaker 21 (36:49):
My neighbor's just finished doing a long tunnel from Mangaree
treatment stations through up towards I'm not I can't remember
how far he said it goes Wonga Peroa.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
I think you might be right. It's a biggie, isn't
it is.

Speaker 21 (37:03):
It's six meters in diameter and twenty percent of it's
only for wastewater at the bottom of it's all sewer.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Oh is it divided only?

Speaker 21 (37:15):
Yeah, the two wastewater and so I.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Didn't know that is the wastewater and pipes or just
part of the circle. It's interesting to see how that
would I think.

Speaker 9 (37:24):
It's part of the circle.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, okay, Well it felt funny when I said that,
but you knew what I meant, so I appreciate that.
And that wouldn't be a bad And they did that
with a boring machine, didn't they.

Speaker 21 (37:34):
Oh that a real big one, mate, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
similar to the one they did I think the tunnels
over there for the Highway twenty you know through that one.

Speaker 8 (37:44):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (37:46):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 22 (37:47):
You go.

Speaker 21 (37:49):
I've actually wrung you.

Speaker 8 (37:50):
Up about how to cross it.

Speaker 21 (37:52):
And my biggest concern is where are they going to
bring it out because if they bring it out in
the CBD, they brought it out into congested traffic anyhow,
and if they bring it out on the other side,
they brought it into contact jest of traffic again.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Rod.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
They will be discussing this till the cows come home.

Speaker 21 (38:16):
Oh I agree, yeah, one of them. Because I wanted
them to take it out the point shed and run
it up over Birkdale there and a cross back.

Speaker 8 (38:26):
Onto the.

Speaker 21 (38:28):
What's the name of that highway that the main one
that goes across to Albany.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
There, well, say eighteen I think Greenheight, Upper Harbour crossing.

Speaker 21 (38:41):
Upper Harbor, Yeah, that road that runs through there, and
then put it onto the motorway because all I're going
to do is just totally gridlock. They're all of the
inside of town every time that every morning and every night.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Are just going to be hard to do it without
without compromising some of the beautiful, helly, bushy nature of
the north Shore because you're going around Birkenhead or that area.
I mean, that's nice stuff with some nice treesy valleys,
and I mean, you know, tunnel exits are wide because
six eight lanes. They're big roads, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Oh they are, without a doubt, Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 21 (39:16):
But the problem that they've got it's always a trade off,
didn't it, between you know, aesthetics and and moving traffic.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
You know, And that's what it's got to do. It's
got to be it's got to really move it. You
don't want to be built because the trouble is, I
think with bridges and tunnels, there's one of those laws
of roading. As soon as you open them, they'll be
at capacity because people will change their behavior to use
those ones. So as soon as they're built, they're almost
sort of already too small for purpose, which is kind
of crazy, isn't it.

Speaker 21 (39:49):
Well, we've always done that. We build a have half
a half a bridge in.

Speaker 9 (39:53):
The first place.

Speaker 8 (39:54):
Remember.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
But the point I'm saying Rod is I think that
no matter what bridge you build, as soon as you
build it, it will be at capacity because people will
change their travel patterns to use it.

Speaker 21 (40:05):
And we put it off too long to build it. Yeah,
they're going to build it the day they discuss it. Yeah,
it'll probably be all right, but we put it off
for another What are they looking at on that twenty
thirty two or something? Aren't they did it?

Speaker 8 (40:21):
Say?

Speaker 21 (40:22):
No, they haven't said. But I was talking to the
guy that'd done the sewer one and he said he's
pretty sure that his company's going to be putting forward
pricing for doing the tunnel if they go under the harbor.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
I'm not putting the tender. How hard would it be?

Speaker 21 (40:39):
Oh, well, I've gone under the Manecure harbor. Yeah, And
it's something like I think, I think it's somewhere around
about ninety feet deep at the deepest point that sewer one,
you know, I mean they crane them down into the hole.

Speaker 8 (40:52):
Where they're working.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Is it downhill the whole way? Are there pumping stations?

Speaker 21 (40:56):
No, it's got pumping stations, I think because it goes downhill,
you know, it goes down under the harbor and then
it comes right up to hills for it and May road,
you know where the old bus depot walls there and
then through underneath there. So it's quite a it's quite
a thing to build me. But I thought they could
just run at the ground the waterfront, the extend it

(41:19):
where copses creakers and all around there. The aircraft are
you know, the old war aircraft around the waterfront there,
and come out at the spit there at some point
chiev which goes almost across to the other side.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Okay, that's what Wayne Brown wants to use. The to
use the Beola reef.

Speaker 21 (41:45):
Yeah, I think it makes sense absolutely. I don't know
the costs and infrastructure and all outside of it, though.
There's a lot comes into it. You know, you can't
just go and wake it in there and say, yep,
we'll just pay for it as we go, and if
it gets deer, well that's it.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Okay, appreciate your Rod. Thank you. While I was trying
to explained to Rod, and I don't think I had
much success. The fundamental law of road congestion or the
result of induced demand. The breakdown is when a new
high capacity bridge is built, the cost of travel decreases.
This triggers several reactions. Existing traffic drivers who are avoiding

(42:22):
the ARA, taking different routes at different times, returned to
the new bridge, new trips. People who are not making
the trips that all decide to drive development. Businesses and
residents moved to the area, attracted to the improved infrastructure building,
bringing more vehicles. These behaviors quickly fill the new capacity
lead into a new equilibrium of congestion. So as soon
as they've built their capacity. It's interesting, isn't it the

(42:44):
principle of induced demand. I think it's called the fundamental
law of road congestion. Please discuss fifteen past nine Dave Marcus, Welcome.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Christ today.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
God you deserve one. It's been a while.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Here we do when we do. I thought he might
have been interested. I'm enjoying the pushbiking. I boughtmost elf
a Giant twenty nine and charred tail pushbike.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
And I'll please you. Pleased you in hardtail, I'm pleased
you went twenty nine, more cadence, more rolling, but further
to fall, Dave.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Two bikes have come a long way since our rally
twenty long. I love it.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
I love a Rally twenty with the white tie.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
But yeah, you're right mind sight camps, you might be interested.
I can speak it, Dave.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Have you got a handle of the gears? Have you
got sprockets on the front or just gears on the back.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
I'm looking at it, and now I've got two buttons
at the front rob and one goes down, chops down
and the top one changes up. I've got disc brakes
front and rear, and just one rail on the front.
As opposed to our rally twenty there is to be
two if you understand between two big cobs has only
got one and the seven cobs at the back.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Because you won't need the geeze for christ which flat,
you'll be right on the old shove. You'll be going
good guns. I do to go a combination lock or
a key lock for your hot pool.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
No it's just the a thirty dollars because I figured, hey,
if they really want to pinch it, So the boat
tried to sell me a fresh one. They needed bolt cutters,
but hey, if they want to cut it, that cut it.
So I've just got a combination lock.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
You got your you got on your birth year. It's
normally what you get due.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
And I did buy a hard hat because hard hait
cycle helmets went in when I was cycling stall which.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Your your lock number is nineteen fifty nine.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
No, it's not.

Speaker 8 (44:45):
It's all for that.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
No, I won't care. It's all because they bothered, complicated. Hey,
in nineteen sixty three, okay, for nineteen sixty three, Felicity
was the first cat to do? What the first cat
to do? What live at number ten Downing Street? Win
a medal? Or go into space?

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Is you got to sixty three? What was the cat's name?

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Felicity?

Speaker 3 (45:12):
They wouldn't send a cat to space. Oh, I'm saying
number ten Downing Street.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
No, go into space?

Speaker 3 (45:21):
How's that send a cat to space?

Speaker 23 (45:24):
Space?

Speaker 22 (45:25):
Well?

Speaker 2 (45:25):
The dog the first Russian, I believe the dog and
his name just escapes me now, but.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
He was like I think it was like la is
it like?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
You're correct?

Speaker 23 (45:36):
Now?

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Are you interested to hear anything about P and O
used to do the catering for us of the mind sight?

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Now could you eat what you want? Could you take it?
Could you take sandwiches down in the mine with you?

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Everything?

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Take everything, anything, and you are very well catered for,
very well looked after. And if you didn't like what
they are offering for an evening meal, you can order
a steak and I'll tell you now MC, I'm talking
about Western Australia because I only know about Western the
Goldfields and also the Pilborough level MC. That's multi combination

(46:09):
road train driver seventy dollars an hour and that's entry
level and you get very well looked after five fox generally.

Speaker 19 (46:16):
Hey, but do you know what DIDO is?

Speaker 8 (46:18):
The I d O.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
I'd like to imagine that fly and drive and drive out.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, correct, Yes, I was working at just about it.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
I thought you'd be I thought you'd be bibo. I'm
not even going to go with you, mate, But that's
bi bike out there.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Hey, I tell you she's a pretty big. She's a
pretty big state of Western Australia. Mate, she's too far
a pushbike. I'll give you the tip.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Do people put a lot of weight when you get
eat what you want?

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Well, you're working twily our shifts generally at least no
I did. If you if you're sitting on a dunk
truck driving at seven eighty five or a treble seven
or something like that, you probably will. But nowadays, as
I say, what helps us, all the camps are dry.
There's no weakness, the weakness gone by the board, the

(47:09):
dry miss. As I say, you're going to have your fine,
you're not a source.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
You can't get a beer.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
No, no, the beers gone by, they don't know. They're
all which is good.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
For something like yourself. You're get in fight absolutely, wow,
you get bored with you. I mean I struggle with
four hours. A twelve hour shift to be a long time,
wouldn't it.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Marcus, You've got to do it. I'd suggest to it
when you're young, because work over there what one has
to understand and get your hit around as work as
your life. You go into a mind sight camp and look,
you get everything made for your bid gets made, really
gets made absolutely and you don't get swept and cleaned

(47:55):
out by the cleaning maids. And you get you get
looked after, but you're there. You've got to understand that
you're there to work and work is it when you're
on thee as your life, you get that in your head.
You understand like there's no you know, you're in the
up back, especially the Goldfields, the back of beyond. We

(48:16):
used to sneak to the egg new but I was
I worked my way from shop fires labor up to
Dramma bus supervisor and my own back then before I
went driving road trains or trucks, and I could sneak
away a little bit, get off site, you know. But
the average Joe blood truck driver, dumpy driver or dig
a driver can't. So yeah, no, when you're on site,

(48:40):
maybe you're there to work and you've got to get
that squared away in your head, you know.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Yeah, I yeah, I like the idea you're be getting
made for you that one. Yeah, that's that's that's going
to be the clutcher.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Well you know, yeah, yeah, after a twelve hour shifts
or I used to work anything up to forteen hours
by the time I've done my glass reports and paperwork
and what have you, ten hours off and back and
do it at generally six hundred and work the you
know for their shift.

Speaker 23 (49:13):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
You know, it is what it is, mate. The money
is good and as I say, now they're screaming for
truckies over there, especially road trains or you know.

Speaker 19 (49:22):
That's sort of so, Dave.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
So if I finished with twelve hour shift and it's
a daytime shift, I'm back to the dollar at eight
pm right now, I'd start work the next day into
late in the morning. What I've had my dinner? Is
there a missed?

Speaker 12 (49:34):
What?

Speaker 3 (49:34):
What do I go and play table tennis with the
other guys?

Speaker 2 (49:37):
What do I do? There's a Generally you have a shower,
you clean yourself up, go and have a feed. You
might sit around and sit outside your dollar and have
a chat. But mate, all you really want to do
is hit the sack. You know, there's not much life away.
You know, you don't do much at all.

Speaker 14 (49:59):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
You clean yourself up and get ready for the next shift. Mate.
You know, as I say, when you're there, you commit
to work and that's what you do.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
What about can you can you can you beat your
wages in the game of cards?

Speaker 2 (50:10):
No, mate, Nope, there's none of that, none of that nonsense.
No you get the short short shift. If you started
that sort of nonsense. There's no game that's gone by
the board my day.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
That's amazing. Okay, so it's all here, Yes, it's.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
All changed a lot. All that's gone by the board
every stick and Sunday is shift change. So I worked
fairteen days on one day off, six weeks on one
week off, where they will fly you in and fly
you out of Perth unless it's Dido, drive and drive
out and Jimmy, you can go back to Perth or
go back to cal Gauley Cow and I don't know

(50:47):
stay whether you want to stay.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
You know you, Jimmy Kesh, did you have to keep
a place in Perth or this placed?

Speaker 19 (50:54):
No?

Speaker 2 (50:54):
I stayed in Belmont, Belmont on the Gradison Highway, and
I stayed at a pretty flash out at rivers Vale,
and I could and I did my pretty much on
that week off if I would catch up on sleep.
I didn't hit the booze much. I wasn't much of
a drinker back then, but I will go to Burswood

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Casino and drop.

Speaker 8 (51:16):
A bit there.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Lightly flash cars over the here and yeah, yeah, you
know you're sort of one hundred and sixty hundred and
eighty thousand a year, you know, and Asustralian dollars of course,
and you were.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
And it's good for your super too, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Yes, compulsory Super over there, and it has been for
twenty some years, so their compulsory Super. And I believe
it's over a trillion dollars in Australia and they're doing
very well for it.

Speaker 8 (51:50):
I believe, I believe it.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
There, David le Fan. Look, I appreciate your generously, the
generosity of what you've got to say. A generous guy.
Thank you. Twenty four past nine Hit Midnight. Name as
Mike is welcome Mark, Thanks hanging on the good evening.

Speaker 12 (52:04):
Good evening.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (52:05):
By the way, I think of this place as Parnell.
It's humor underground because you can come up get underground
before you get into Parnell. Coming from the southern motor
in the northwestern hear that city central Jammer go under
the harbor and container terminal can have their own entry
exit on ground or underground right at the point where

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they come out of the container tuminel or the trucks
in there thraight onto the motorway south or north, so.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
You or your motorway Highway sixteen and Highway one coming
out down towards Stanley Street, down by the motorway, you
beg it down underground there and you come out Divenport.
They're not going to be happy about it.

Speaker 19 (52:46):
You don't know.

Speaker 12 (52:46):
You don't come into Devonport. You come past the end
of Devonport peninsula off ramp and on round there, then
the next peninsula, which is the next suburb, off ramp
on round there, and that creates all that Kakapuna area.
All the traffic doesn't have to come down to those
Devonport areas, and then it just joins onto the main
main way wind of going anywhere else. You enter a

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couple of lanes on each side of the Northern Motorway
on the north shore.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
So you're talking diving under where the motorway comes off
the Stanley Street.

Speaker 12 (53:15):
You can terminal right beside the container center through the
west of the container terminal, and then the container trucks
can go straight onto the motorway north and south. They
don't have to go into any city streets or anywhere,
and west and northwest and.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Your northern portal of the tunnel would be where you
turn off for Takapoona, the first off ramp on the
right on State HIH one going north right.

Speaker 12 (53:37):
As it coming from you from the city and the
new tunnel that pops up at Devenport and then it
comes along above ground.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Oh you're coming up, You're you're coming up at Devonport.

Speaker 12 (53:51):
Well I don't it's not for me to work that out.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
You got all, But I wouldn't mind staying under and
coming out just at the state at the university campus
where the turn off is for Takapoona. Come up there,
bang on the motorway. You're good to go again.

Speaker 12 (54:06):
Yet, that's right? Yeah, those are the too often either
come up at Devenport and go across above the water,
or stay underground and go across to that of the
area here where the university is.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Makes sense, doesn't it.

Speaker 12 (54:18):
That takes takes all the traffic away from the central
city where the jam up occurs.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 22 (54:24):
It sticks it straight.

Speaker 12 (54:25):
Onto the Northern motorway.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Oh, think about that?

Speaker 8 (54:27):
Is it the bridge?

Speaker 12 (54:29):
The Carver Bridge won't jam up anymore.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
That'll be good that they can get that fixed. Did
you come up with that just today or have you
had a lot.

Speaker 12 (54:37):
I've been thinking about the praises. It's it's the obvious conclusion.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Really, have you drawn diagrams and stuff?

Speaker 8 (54:43):
No?

Speaker 12 (54:43):
I know it's not for me because the experts will
know where exactly to put it. I don't know anything
about where lanes going and something I've been dragging in
you notice.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Of that when you're talking terminals, is the ferguson and
the blitter is low? You're going to the west of
the Bloody?

Speaker 12 (54:56):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (54:56):
You're checking it across the tunnel.

Speaker 8 (54:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (54:59):
I can't.

Speaker 22 (55:02):
Are they Yeah?

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Headlines? But Mark, thanks so much that first I thing
call from great recruiter. Yeah, good on Dave old five Marcus.
Is nighttime talkback and use even phenomenon? Or is it
big in Australia and other countries also? I vote tunneling
and Auckland pop it out between Orni War and Esmond.

(55:24):
I don't know about talkback have been big in Australia
or not. There was one guy that rang up and
he said they no longer have any talkback in Australia
at night. But I don't know what state that was in. Yeah,
A lot of them would go, I mean, yeah, look,
I don't know what you'd be like with nighttime talk
to his sem hot night with every cheat Field. Well,

(55:47):
that's a commercial radio show covering entertainment, slippy interviews and
lifestyle topics. Have really checked out the market over there,
welcome people, my names market, a lot of great texts.
No doubt any new crossing will need to be told,
so white people actually want to use the non told crossing,
the current harbor bridge. That's right. They should build a
low rise bridge with a tunnel directly below, and while

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they're at it, turn the entire upper Harbor into acclaimed
housing land on all canals with mess fiery traffic didn't
fill the earthquake and eh, but as everyone on Cane Wellington, Marcus,
do you think it's a good idea for Auckland or
other cities have underwater tunnels when there are so many volcanoes? Yes?
Thought it was a dog jumping on my bed. That
will be the quake? Potty, do I felt it? Judgeford?

(56:33):
Someone sent me a text that says you and me
question Mark Pidgeon for sure? What's that about?

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Dan?

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Did you read that one?

Speaker 23 (56:39):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Oh yep, get in touch. Good evening, Marcus. I think
if people are walking on a tunnel of bridge and
they should pay or start a go fund page. Even
ask the Mirror, It's not for the rest of New Zealand.

Speaker 12 (56:52):
Oh it is.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Actually I don't like this already. We're not going to
pay for it because you know, if Auckland winds, New
Zealand winds. Actually, what am I saying? Do we want
to into this? Yeah, we are into it. Because everyone's
gotten a quake or anything else. The ORC does are
first to help them out. That's a fair thing to say,
isn't it. Marcus Gladstone's pronounced Gledstone and Ozzie Albaceno Gorge

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will end up being another another month or two gorge
before long, and the new Mount Messenger will end up
being the most expensive road to nowhere until it's done.
I'm not a roading engineer unlike Tracy's father, but I
think it is crazy to spend all that money on
Mount Messenger when the Abaquino Gorge is so prone to

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slipping and will continue to be. With our extreme weather
and increasing extreme weather, no one in the future is
ever going to experience better weather they ever experienced now
is just going to get worse and worse and worse,
and that gorge. It's yeah, I can't believe they've done
it that way. And none of these fixes seem long
lasting because for those that don't know, just to explain

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the geography, as you're going from New Plymouth to Marco,
you go over Mount Messenger, which is long and tortuous,
and replace that with a tunnel. Now they've got that
one fixed. But then you go to the coast and
your head and land again up the Awacuno Gorge and
that's you go alongside a river obviously and just steep
unstable land and very slippy, very prone. Anyway, can't wait

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to see fireworks from a tunnel come New Years, like
missiles out to see. See the point what they're saying
there is it's different. Get in touch. One can might
not have, might have a lot of complainers, but it's
the only place left in news End. You can leave
your keysing iss at the supermarket. So if say it

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pays off keeps the undersie, I could do that and bluff.
You'd leave your keys in your car the whole time
one road and one road out the locals had find
your care for for got taken one hundred percent Auckland.
We christ jug gave millions of dollars to help them,
and now we are still trying to fix our roads.
Rude word or twelve Byames market Go. It's been a
busy show, hasn't it? With everything? Leadership contest has not

(59:12):
been triggered for Keir Starmer. It's a bit like probably
the Luxeon scenario. No one wants the job, so yep,
they won't change, but no one wants the job. Therefore
you've got status quo, status quo. Now be in touch
if you want to talk on air people eight hundred

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and eighty taty and nine text yep, roads and tunnels
and bridges and five fo anyone else got any five
foux stories? Did they work in the mind in Austoria?
How did that work out for you? You need to
have something special for your week off, because boy, you'd
be looking forward to it. There'd be my take anyway,
notough for me, Catch you soon, Hello, Lizard's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 11 (59:57):
I'm not sure from that if from correct or not?
But you know under Albert part where the universe is,
and I correct is saying there's tunnels under there?

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Correct?

Speaker 11 (01:00:11):
Yes, I don't know a lot about it. I can
only remember my father speaking to me, and I was thinking,
if they have tunnels, what an excellent idea for everyone
to come off the motorway at the top and then
whooped through there and then whoop through right through to

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under the harbor. But I don't know enough about what
that area under there is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Like you see, there's a lot of discussions about opening
that up for all sorts of things, but it's all
got a bit quiet on that.

Speaker 11 (01:00:43):
I don't know anything about it. I just remember I
can't I don't know enough to know whether the dad
worked there as a child. Had completely fascinated me because
I must have been told quite a bit about it,
so obviously from what he informed me, there must be
some sort of tunnels there, but I don't know what
they were for.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Uh a shelter as I think something to do with
the war effort. I think that's what it was for.

Speaker 11 (01:01:11):
He was in the Air force. That could be right,
but it wouldn't that make a lot of sense. Coming
off the both way and all of those junctions, they
all arrive and they place.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Oh, I think everything. I think everything's worth a thought.

Speaker 11 (01:01:25):
Yeah, it's quite fascinate. Oh, there they air raid shelters.

Speaker 12 (01:01:29):
Is that what they want some.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
I've spoke to the guy on this show, and old
retired Butcher was going to get them all going, and
I forget what the whole plan was.

Speaker 11 (01:01:37):
Yeah, I can't. They have spoken about it the semple
times in the last few years, but nothing's been done.
They're going to open them up at one stays to
the public, wouldn't they.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Yes, that's right. There's gonna be wine bars and all
sorts of things.

Speaker 11 (01:01:51):
Yeah, well, I think it's time they use them for
something more profitable for the country. If you know anyway, Well,
we didn't see. We're mighty interesting things.

Speaker 8 (01:02:02):
We might want very much.

Speaker 11 (01:02:04):
We may gets some interesting feedback.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Yeah, if one wants to talk about this, Tunels, I'll
be up for that. Thank you that Liz oh wait
one hundred eighty ten eighty nine nine text, Yes, if
you want to talk about this, that's the plan here
till twelve eighteen to ten, sixteen to ten Frey keen
to hear your five those stories. I don't really know

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what a donga is, but Dave saidy you get back
to your donga. Maybe someone could explain. I presume it's
like a single man's unit. I don't know why it's
called a donga. I think that's what he said, isn't it.
It's like a five fox standby. So I don't know
where the word donga comes from, but I'm up for

(01:02:50):
the discussion. Yes, it's like a container, like a refriger.
I don't even know what you describe it as your donga.
Someone said it could be an a Zulu word nineteen hundred,
first time was used in Australia. That's what we are talking. Well,
that's what I'm talking about. Get in touch Allan's thinking.

(01:03:13):
Told the old bridge everyone will used the new bridge
of tunne or tunnel problem solved. Not sure if they
are the same tunnels. But there was an auc underground
operational center during World War Two, built following Pearl Harbor
when New Zediand was thought to be at risk of
attack by Japan. I think there's a big underground bunker
and epsom below the Teachers College. There was the operational center.

(01:03:35):
But yeah, there were certainly tunnels under Albert Park or
they're still there that they're full of old bricks. I've
been in them some way, but not the whole way.
Fourteen to ten, who doesn't love a discussion about a tunnel.
By the way, Aaron Patterson is out of solitary confinement
in the women's prison. People are loving articles and stories

(01:03:59):
about her. Marcus, this is Kate. This is Marcus. Good
evening by Marcus.

Speaker 6 (01:04:04):
It's Kate.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
I just both for four years.

Speaker 19 (01:04:08):
I and pray.

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
I was my base right to the hour.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
What's a Donnu?

Speaker 6 (01:04:14):
There was a donna is like a heart. But they're
all in rows, so you might have eight in a row.
And it's like small motel units.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Would it wouldn't have a heat pump yep, but all.

Speaker 6 (01:04:26):
Have heat pumps, but all have small bathroom. You'd have
a t bay desk, bath, redge in a microwave. Some
of them were like motel unuts, the fresher ones and
new ones.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
They were unreal and your bed ha get made.

Speaker 6 (01:04:40):
Yes, once a week, your bed and your sheets were made,
and your bathroom was cleaned and your vacuumed. Yeah, but
there's nothing wrong with her. I actually worked in the
camp and I never minded at all. I just looked
at it a small village. Most of them had three
hundred plus. They all had a bar, they all had

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a gym, they all had a swimming pool, they had
a shop most of them someone now even happy dresses
and cafes. They had a rugby field.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
So I looked at it like a small village.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
And when you say you worked in the villages, were
you in food or were you in the servicing the
rooms or what were you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
I would serve.

Speaker 6 (01:05:20):
We all rotated, did service the rooms. You would be
in the kitchen helping the chief. You've breaken the shop,
you've break in the bar, you've broken the gym. So
which you were company service to that camp? You would
do the whole sort of camp itself, look after at
that of a groundsman. But no, it was the only

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thing is the heat. The heats just at well, it's draining.
I'll do tour days for two weeks and then go
back to per fly back to Perth. In fact, I
flew to christ Church for two years. There's three of
us in our three hundred camp that flew to christ
Church every two weeks. So I'd do two weeks and
minds and then fly back to christ Church. One of

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the guys was brying back to Kai Poi to his
farm and then to play rugby every three weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Kingly anticipated rugby team member. What would you do with
your downtime there, Kate sleep, I would catch up.

Speaker 6 (01:06:18):
But when you work it out, you'd only actually work
six months of the year because you do two weeks on,
one week off, and when you take leave, you take
one week off your two weeks on one side and
one week off the other side, so that's months.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
See if you do that twice?

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Okay, yeah, why do you leave.

Speaker 11 (01:06:40):
A man?

Speaker 6 (01:06:42):
But lots and lots of a few snakes. I come
across seven different snakes and my four years do have
different types. Yeah, but I thought it was good because
you didn't connect to work.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
All your meals were.

Speaker 6 (01:06:55):
Made for you. You'd go to work. I get up
at a quarter past four in the morning, start at
quarter five, the home at quarter to five, then bet
at quarter past days. You know were u stuffs. Girls
used to have hen's parties. One of the ladies who's
getting married and we had a hen start. It's amazing
what you can do when you've got no shops. Where'd

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make your bride stress out of curtains and we would
be in at Christmas time we would light out on
this up with fairy lights and go around with sin
carols and that was great fun.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Did you ever did you get married on her Donga?

Speaker 13 (01:07:30):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:07:30):
We had a hen here, not a wedding, no, no, no,
but we made her a wedding the ten henstarty wedding dress.
And then they'd bring in a band from Perf occasionally
up to the They used to call it the weakness
love a weakness.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Oh that's good, Kate, Thank you so much for that.
As generous of your love. These stories keep it going.
Nine to ten, seven to ten, Hello Brucett's Marcus, good evening.

Speaker 23 (01:07:58):
Yeah, hello, Marcus. I'm just HARKing back to the tunnels
under Albert Park. I don't think they ever went as
far in as the university. I think it was mainly
just the Albert Park area. But that's just what I've heard.
I've never been or seen or whatever. However, the material

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that they filled it with. I was a kid in
Point Chevalier post war, you know, like I would have
been probably ten eleven twelve, and they were carting truckload
after truckload of pug clay in brick formation but big
bricks out of there. And they were doing that for

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probably two or three years. This is in the late forties,
I imagine, and that's where they all went. They just
they weren't big trucks those days. They were, you know,
probably what we were called now about a five ton truck,
but they weren't the huge trucks that are on the road.
But they were just taking this wet clay in brick

(01:09:02):
formation out and filling up the tunnels under Albert Park.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
So getting that clay from from where you got the
bricks from, is that right out?

Speaker 23 (01:09:14):
I was just about to come to that. Actually, well, no,
you jog my memory. If you go down Point Point
Chevalier Road, the first road down on the left is
Montrose Street, and it all came out of the bottom
end of Montrose Street down now where the where the motorway,
where the off ramp from the motorways comes up towards

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Point Chevalier heading towards the city. We used to go
down there as younger kids, and there used to be
quite a big hill there, and we used to call
it Madson's Mountain and we used to our old wooden
sledges down there, but that stopped and then they started
they cleaned it off, and then they started pressing the

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clay into these bricks and away Madison's.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Mountain where and look, and that's where the that's where
the motorway off on rampers too of medicines and.

Speaker 23 (01:10:10):
They're down down that area on the city side of
Oakley Creek.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Hey, I've been in those tunnels and they were off
that's exactly as you describe. But why did they put
all that stuff there? Because they wanted a place to
store that clay, or because they're worried that tunnels would
fall in, or why would you fill old tunnels with
old I could never actually work. I'd never had a
good explanation about that.

Speaker 23 (01:10:36):
I have no real idea about that, Marcus. The only
thing I can suggest is that perhaps they were because
they were they were built in a hurry, they were
excavated in a hurry. Maybe there wasn't insufficient support for them,
and that's why they wanted to get something in there.
You know, quickly before Albert Park, you drop ten feet down.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
And can I just come back to you crookedly because
I go a minute before the news when you talk
about the end of Montrey's Street, you called it Montrose Mountain.
It wasn't a volcanic cone, was.

Speaker 9 (01:11:06):
Just a big.

Speaker 23 (01:11:08):
It was just a hill. It was Montrose Street, and.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
We there was a hell, and there was a hell
at the end of it.

Speaker 23 (01:11:14):
Yes, there was a rise there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:11:18):
Yeah, And then that was well, that's going back a
long time, you know. It's how do you?

Speaker 16 (01:11:24):
How do you?

Speaker 23 (01:11:25):
Bruce almost ninety?

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Are you?

Speaker 19 (01:11:29):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Gifts and clear territory? Is he like a contemporary of yours?

Speaker 23 (01:11:33):
Ah? Yes, all of his brothers Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Cause I read that book halfway around the Harbor. I
loved that book talking about.

Speaker 23 (01:11:41):
I knew many of the brothers and the eldest brother
he was a doctor when I was a kid, and
he actually I think hit my hand.

Speaker 14 (01:11:51):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
And I think they had a bluff connection too. I
think originally they are from there too. I think they'd
come up from anyway.

Speaker 23 (01:11:57):
I'm not too sure about that. They came from Johnson
Street now on the other end of point chev Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
I appreciate you coming through, Bruce. Thank you for every
much for that.

Speaker 22 (01:12:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
For those who don't know, jeffs and Claire was a
ready Pacific broadcaster for a long time, did this show,
did knights and wrote a great book. Well maybe it
was his brother's book. The history professor. But one of
them wrote the book halfway around the Harbor. I think
it was his brother, the professor. But very good book.
Here till twelve o'clock tonight. Feel free to partake. She
will show remember that Sean. Thanks hanging on its Marcus,

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good evening.

Speaker 22 (01:12:30):
A dog sixty seventy years ago was an old beat
up car. Oh you wow, it's it's a long time
ago that the it was quite common usage.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Was it a donga or a dunger?

Speaker 22 (01:12:47):
We call them doggers?

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
What part of the are what part of the world
was that?

Speaker 22 (01:12:53):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Oh okay. New Zealand and North Ireland.

Speaker 22 (01:12:57):
Yep, never heard that along a bit older than you, but.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Of a donga. Good on your short appreciate it, Thank you, Larry,
Marcus welcome.

Speaker 16 (01:13:10):
Yeah, hi there Marcus. In New Zealand and the old
days or the it was the term come back after
the Boar War. And a donner in South Africa was
a gully, steep sided gully. And that's also I've got
a Dictionary of Physical Geography as well, which also gives

(01:13:31):
that as a as a meaning South African and gully
that when I first started working, the old surveys used
to use the term these rold guys have been in
the eighth Army. But there's a term that carried on
and quite often that if if they're talking about being
in the doll you meet, you've got you'd really gotten
into trouble as well.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
I thought they might be something like that too.

Speaker 16 (01:13:52):
Yeah, but there was also The Geography Dictionary also has
an Australian explanation, but it's not for a you know,
for it also describes one of those circular depressions sort
of like in another for planes, you know, where the
roofs clapsed on a subterranean chamber basically, So it's evolved
from that. But you certainly used to be quite common.

(01:14:19):
Is the guy's confused between the dungeness and the dumbs.
But I know a lot of the old guys when
I first started always talking about being in the dogger,
about this and that and that was using me in trouble.
But it certainly was a South African gully. I don't
know if Winston's chipped in about the tunneling yet.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
Remember he has us got the Snowy River, didn't he
snow River project?

Speaker 16 (01:14:43):
Snow River? Yeah, well he was going to be first
to bite River too. Yeah, and yes it's the Snowy River.
I don't know if you've followed this. Snowy River two
point zero was carrying on at present and uh a massive.
I think they've got four tunneling machines here. It's going

(01:15:04):
to be a big pump hydro power outfit.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Bet Tree well stories like we would have done it. Yeah,
a good idea. Well, okay, but it's about.

Speaker 16 (01:15:15):
Twenty seven kilometers of tunneling and going down a bit.
It's going to be a massive, bloody thing, basically Rickons.
It's got the capacity of running about three million households.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
The largest renewal is your project under construction Australia includes
one of the largest deepest Kevin excavations, the longest tunnels
twenty seven k's of any pumped hydro station eficult for
those that don't know pumped hydro. You use power when
your hydro schemes aren't working, you pump it all up
high and it works as a bettere.

Speaker 16 (01:15:43):
Yeah, yeah, there was going to be. There was a
proposal for one down south, which is also actually it's
gone and has been reconsidered.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
I think David Park has involved private now Lake Onslow
great idea.

Speaker 16 (01:15:54):
That's right, yep, yep. But I'm just thinking if I
go back to fly and fly at mining stuff. Mine
was more in Canada, basically up a Yukon, which was
never underground, sort of awise.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
On top, Laurie, what's the eighth Army, Well, there was
the army.

Speaker 16 (01:16:16):
There was New Zealand Army unit that went mostly in
the desert basically. You know, they used to talk about
eight army reunions on the old Fred Digg.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Oh yeah, okay, yeah, I'm never quite sure what it was.

Speaker 16 (01:16:30):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, there was. I think it was
the unit that went after the day that basically, and
I had a lot of servers in the artillery section
of it basically. Yeah, but you know, they were good
all guys to work with. Actually, you know they sort

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of uh been around the mill and survived that and
yeah that's uh yeah, Heather, be interesting to see what
props up plane with this Walkland tunnel over the next
little while.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Well, you go, tuddle are abroad with all your wisdom
of all the years there, Larry.

Speaker 16 (01:17:15):
Well, I don't know some of the sounds of these
tunnels right now. I mean that Snowy River version two
tunneling through some really frected geologically unstable stuff in plazers,
so many capability of going through. I think I prefer

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a tunnel, you know, if it's if it was geologically.

Speaker 22 (01:17:43):
Do you know?

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
I think, Okay, I'm going to agree with you, Larry.
I'm afraid of a tunnel. Twelve yes, only twelve past, gosh,
thirteen past, Marcus, or twelve what's happening in your world? People?
We're talking Dongas and the eighth Army and five FI
fly and fly out or drive and drive out? Are
there the other versions? Walk and walk out and get

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in touch. If you want to talk about this or
anything else, headle toward early end midnight. I wait one
hundred and eighty to ten eighty. I think five is
also first and first out? Am I right? I don't know.
Ks Starmer has not been rolled as the prime minister.
He's going to get it going. Get in touch, Marcus.

(01:18:30):
I read today that some sort of boat was flyn
from Auckland to Nandy and that's in the end and
of so if someone has some money there we go.
That's the point, Marcus. What they need for White to
Matara is a causeway. No bridge, no tunnel, a causeway
built with local matah which is obsidian. There you go,
Impenius Starmer's MPs have resigned, but that story has moved on.

(01:18:54):
But since then, though, get in touch one him as
Marcus welcome. I wait one hundred and eighty ten eight
nine two nine to tis you want to be a
part of it, I would like to hear from you
fifteen past ten. The Aussie version as dry as a
dead dingo's donga that must be with a lived Marcus.

(01:19:15):
I worked at Molly Mine, which was Ditty K's, thirty
miles from Pine Creek and Northern Territo in the seventies.
The dongas were made of corrugated iron coal sets for
doors and contained a beard and locker for your gear.
Snakes and guannas were often encountered about the site, and
frogs would get in our boots when we left them outside.

(01:19:36):
Food and the money was good for the time. There
was a bar, and we all spend a lot of
time there. I only stayed long after to get a
bit of money together and move on. Regards in what
would ui Obi and someone wants to know if they
put a tunnel through the brendurwins, Oh, yeah, well in time,
we're getting tunnel happy. I don't know what ui O

(01:20:00):
stands for. I kind of been google that one. Grayson Marcus, welcome, Hey,
good Grayson, thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:20:11):
I've just tuned in. I'm in pers currently. I've just
caught the lot of the last of I think I
don't really know what you're talking about. Five fo like what.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
We're just talking about a guy wh's got a job
over there as a four course driver for somewhere, or
just talk about the conditions and what it means and
what it's like. Are you doing that yourself?

Speaker 14 (01:20:32):
Ye?

Speaker 8 (01:20:33):
Yeah, I might then roy Hill or Hill Mine and
I'm doing plumbing and civil He is good. I think
I try to tune in this morning when I think
I forgot her name, my text him but didn't go through.
And she was talking about how y Qis are moving
over to Australia and why a lot of Quis are

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moving they were doing and I sort of just got
over here. But the pay, the pay difference is just insane.
It's crazy. I definitely could never move back to New
Ziland after the money I've been on.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
You've got to play are you flying backs? And news
in and Grayson, or you're spending your week off in Perth.

Speaker 8 (01:21:15):
I spend my week off from Proof.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
So what do you what's your goal to buy properly
there as well and commit to it?

Speaker 6 (01:21:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:21:21):
By a property here, Yeah, buy a couple actually, so
it's just just living here, I think, just opportunities just
a lot more so.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
You buy a house and investment property as well.

Speaker 8 (01:21:34):
Yep, for sure. I wouldn't be able to do it
back home.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
Are you from from Auckland?

Speaker 8 (01:21:42):
From Auckland? Then I was like, I'm a plumber back
home and I was on a decent wage. But yeah,
just just there's no way that you can pay what
they're paying here the letter and saying here.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Hey, just a question for me, Greg. You know, sometimes
people like a job because you do the job and
you make the money, but also you climb the ladder.
I've never heard five f people talk about that. Does
that happen as well? You get promoted and end up
doing different jobs, or you'll always I don't want to
mean what you're doing, but you'll always Or do you
become a supervisor and you can walk up that or

(01:22:16):
is this your lot for now? And the wages you're
on will be static.

Speaker 8 (01:22:20):
I think you can do. There's definitely is a room
to grow in the company, just depending on what company
are with. I know a couple of guys that started
like offside drilling and then now they're like management or
what they call like a super here and now on
really good money. Okay, yeah, yeah, I just I'm sort

(01:22:41):
of feel sorry for my friends back home.

Speaker 14 (01:22:45):
Is there.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Is there a sense though that you are working the
whole time and you're putting everything on hold to make
money because you're always you know, you're just there the
whole time. There's no you haven't got sports clubs or
stuff around that. It's just it just is all about
the money.

Speaker 8 (01:23:01):
Yeah, definitely there is that. I mean, I've got two kids.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
Are I am Perth with you?

Speaker 8 (01:23:09):
They're back home in THEW Zone okay yeah yeah, but
now I plan to bring them over before the end
of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Oh that'll make that that'll make and you'll be if
they're in Perth. How often work be until you see them?
It's five weeks and then a week off.

Speaker 8 (01:23:29):
Yeah, I'm coming back to Sunday my daughter's birthday, so
I'll get time off. But my swings are two and one.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Oh, that's great. That would be great. If you go
to Perth for them for a week, that'll be fantastic. Yeah,
why were you saying you feel sorry for your New
Zealand mates?

Speaker 22 (01:23:44):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:23:44):
Just first, just the situations that they're in. I mean,
like it's just I mean I sort of had like
a glass ceiling in terms of like lags and just
across for them in back home. I mean, I know
that they're really struggling. And it's like when I talk
to them, and I talk to them often, and as
usually I catch them after work and I'm talking to them,

(01:24:06):
and it's just it just seems grimmed back to New Zealand,
like nothing's really improving.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
No, that's the thing. We're not. We're not sensing any progress.
It thinks it seems like things are getting worse. Yeah,
was it straightforward for you to get your job? Did
you go through that? Because I know people have to
go across there, you've got to sort of get some
form sorted out. Did you do all that in New
Zealand before you went?

Speaker 8 (01:24:26):
I sort of, I've done the bulk of it here,
So it took me about a month really, Yeah, about
a good month to get everything sorted, all my tickets
and sought me licenses over my plumbing license, my driving license.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
But I mean, is it challenging or straightforward?

Speaker 8 (01:24:47):
It was pretty straightforward. I think that the really good
thing about being a Qui coming of Ausailure is that
you're pretty much just like you're pretty much in Austrailian
to this, and that you have all the rights that
they do. So it's it's pretty easy.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
And if you've got to plan your ten years in
the mind or your forever or what's how how do
you reckon you're going to run at it?

Speaker 8 (01:25:08):
I think I'll go ten years, ten years in my mind,
just save invests and then I think my partner always
wants to move back to New Zealand, but we'll just
I think we'll just take it from Wolvery Visit in
ten years to where we're at Gee.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
I'm looking at them, it's pretty foreboding.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Is it is it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
Coal or is it is it gold? What are you
mining at roy Hill or iron Ore? And that goes
on a train? Does it? Oh? Lost them? Working for
Gina reinheart.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Thanks for that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
Lovely to talk, appreciate that, love it, love it love
at twenty three past ten, twenty five past ten five
FO and the Auckland Harbor crossing bridge or tunnel. You'll
have an opinion or you might not. There'd be some
good jobs for that. I guess I don't know what

(01:26:04):
the big jobs on a tunnel are. When you've got
a boring machine, something you might want to mention and
fi FO and we got onto that not because apparently
there was a show last night with jack Tame I
was obviously only I didn't watch that, but oh yeah,
I don't think Australia's got any less lucrative or less
appealing with the fact that we're going to go into

(01:26:26):
a cost of living crisis with fuel going up because
of Trump's stalemate, which is what it is. He's bored
of it and they haven't got that. They're not holding
the ace cards with the straight Oh Tito is train
and train out too, by the way, that's what you
could do, Tito. One of the Jackson's Get in touch

(01:26:49):
people twenty seven past ten and the tunnels under Eden Park.
If anyone's got any more to talk about that would
love it if you want to be a part of it.
Now I think I've covered most of what I need
to say tonight, but of a quake earlier on. It's
a four point two now just out of Wellington, in
the middle of cook Straight. Why I say in the middle,
I mean that loosely, but pretty much in the middle

(01:27:11):
of cook Straight. Actually, six thousand people reported they felt
the tremor details could be subject to revision. Once it
was like a jolt in the pot, once it was
like a thud. Someone said it was sudden and sharp.
Must be hard to come up with new ways to
describe earthquakes. I think sudden and sharp seems pretty good
to me. Yes, some of the other stuff I need

(01:27:33):
to tell you about tonight, The Wennington Phoenix play Melbourne
City in the aleg Final the Women's final Sunday six fifteen,
Mendelor and grog Out on the twenty first. That's nine
days away. That must be next Thursday, budget May twenty eight.
It is Limerick Day. I'm not going to a Limerick
Day because make me nervous. It is a dometer day, yep.

(01:27:57):
I think a dometers are quite as compelling as they
were once when actual numbers clicked over. Digital ones aren't
as exciting. If I can say that they've done a
TV show of wordle. Yeah, that sounds pretty boring in
it that's happening. Oh, Google was down and I had
trouble with Google today. I'd write trub about three within

(01:28:17):
long meetings and the nothing was working a server area.

Speaker 6 (01:28:21):
I got that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
I don't know what was going on then, but it
seems like there's been a lot of interference. And maybe
we'd watch the end and of depart tonight today to
let me know about that. That's all what we are
talking about discussing. If you want to be a part
of the show. Yeah, is there something I shout to mention?

Speaker 8 (01:28:37):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Good, good good. Keep those texts coming through eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty goodness knows why we need a
second crossing already gave the green height bridge. We need
to make Startway sixty one the main road. I think
it's because the bridge is at the end of its
use by date. It's sixty five years old. I understand

(01:28:59):
and agree. The hourly rates and pay are much higher
in Australia. Can you ask the next Australian based key
we how much you have to pay for a for example?
The point being the plumbers get paid well, the clients
pay more there for its inflation one oh one. Someone might.
I don't know if they fully understand your thinking. There, Ah,
you so is unicycle and segue out a good way

(01:29:21):
to do it, Corey, this is Marcus welcome.

Speaker 18 (01:29:25):
So they mark us on the causeway. Idea is a
good idea because if you look at what they did
a little to them for the breakwater, they put those
rocks on the mud and the fishery improved and it
was actually beautiful the ecology. So I'm thinking if they
did put a causeway through and put big pipes through

(01:29:46):
along there, maybe a bridge that the boats can go
through there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
Because you've got those, you've got the cheap solution, you
got the Chelsea sugar works. I'm just looking where the rocks.
Did they make a harbor a little ton? Is that
what you're you're talking about?

Speaker 18 (01:29:58):
No, they made a break water by where the yachts
more in the harbor, Abby, it's not that expensive to do,
you know, it's quite cheap. And they just sit on
the mud and eventually they just sing in and you
can build a road on top of it. But the
fish make little habitats inside the rocks, you know. So
there's the fishery improved.

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
So did that whole marina get earthquake damage and they
rebuilt it?

Speaker 18 (01:30:26):
No, they got damaged because the first one they made
I think he had pull of starring over with concrete
over to light and theshed up.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
Okay, So.

Speaker 18 (01:30:38):
Then put a breakwater I think in front of it,
and that stopped the waves from coming in and smashing
all those floating moorings.

Speaker 23 (01:30:48):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
Oh from the southeast, yea, because quite an enclosed harder,
isn't it. Okay, Yeah, I've come straight through.

Speaker 18 (01:30:54):
Yeah, okay, yeah, you know, I think that would be
a cheap way for New Zealand to do. It wouldn't
cost the text players a lot of money, and the
ecology people need to do a study or the universities
maybe on the one in Littleton, and just see how
the fishery has improved. And if everyone's worried about the environment,

(01:31:15):
well that's actually going to improve the environment.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
So yeah, I don't think you'd ever get done. I
don't think you ever get approval from environmental concerns for it,
because yeah, I guess it would affect the Holy College
y up the harbor from the causeway, would it?

Speaker 18 (01:31:34):
If you've got big parts through there, You've got water
coming still flowing through, so the fish will still be
able to go through. But in New Zealand can't afford
billions of dollars you're right cheap, and we've got to
we've got to use common sense. And maybe the government
needs to make a Department of common sense because I
think as a tradee we tend to waste a lot

(01:31:58):
of money because these private companies, I think, pull the
wall over the government size and try and make lots
of money out of things that could be done cheapest.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
You know, it's been a while since I've heard the
Department of common Sense. I think he said in first
it was always took the Department of common Sense.

Speaker 8 (01:32:13):
Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:32:16):
Well, the government has been been boozled by these private
companies that all they want is money and they just
charge a fortune for doing things. But the health and
safety is the big biggest cost, and if you could
reduce that, they could do the jobs for half the price.

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
I reckon like it lot, Corey, all of it. Thank
you for every much. Twenty four to eleven. My name's Marcus.
I'm gonna put the kettle on Parley, put the kittle
on oh late for a cup of coffee? A, Now
that's what I'll do. I should be back in time.

(01:32:55):
How many How long have I got exactly? Then I'll
stop with two minutes and ten seconds? You think we'll
be able to border kettle? Really, what I do quite
often is I and I boil it, but there's not
enough water in it, and that's always disappointing. Where you're
about your coffe, you got about a third of a cup?
What would how would you give me a ten seconds?
Hence take the delay out for the delay, I'm not

(01:33:16):
going to ten tact the silence people would say, you
only work for hours. You don't even know you only
work for hours? And health to Tom, you're for making
you got. People are like down there, mean spirited, A
are you not here half the half the hour? Well,
sometimes I think they probably care. Some of the texts
are can be but salty with what they say through.
Everyone's a credit when it comes to the texts. Actually,

(01:33:37):
most of the texts are pretty good. Get one or
two salty one tonight, Marcus. Last night, you're talking a
guy that wanted to change his middle name from Frederick,
but his mother didn't want him to you also want
to change his date of birth wherever is? You know
we can't. I wish I could change my birth date
so I could retire now and enjoy my pension super Well,
my body is young. So if the Aukld harbor Bridge
is passage used by date, what does that say about

(01:33:58):
the Sydney Harbor Bridge. Well, I think Sydney Harbor Bridge
is quite different. And as I say there, I'm googling
up a picture of it, and this is all going
into my coffee time. The Sydney Harbor Bridge is different
because it's made of sandstone or in the arch, but

(01:34:20):
I think it's more robust construction, whereas the harbor Bridge
Auckland is entirely steel. Anyway, please discuss see after the break.
I'm not going yet, Dan, see you after the break
any time?

Speaker 24 (01:34:41):
Is it me.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
That was eventful? Found a bit of found a bit
of Joe a loaf?

Speaker 22 (01:34:52):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
Anyway, Well I can do it all in one I
don't think it was possible, Oh, Marcus. The Sydney harbr
whige is the famous icon throughout the word because it
made from sandstone. Also, you can do not only you
can do a bridge climb, but there is a museum
in the one of the towers. I would it was

(01:35:16):
a harbridge not so long ago. Quite enjoyed it because
you can walk across it. What a great thing that is.
Who would have thought a bridge you could walk across. Yeah,
it's actually gonna be interesting for Auckland because when the
bridge comes to the end of its life and I

(01:35:38):
don't know how long was built for, then what do
we do with it? Do we restore it because we
all love it so much? I never thought about that
life beyond the Harbor Bridge? Do we pay millions of
dollars to keep it restored? Or do we get rid
of it? Can you google and find that I'm talking

(01:35:58):
about a cope of you find out how long it's
built to last? For Get in touch people. My name
is Marcus. Welcome, how going? What's happening? I need some calls?

Speaker 9 (01:36:08):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
What about the tunnels under Albert Parkson or comments about
that would be good? And I apologize of the shows
about Auckland focused tonight. I mind you had to. We
talked about Warnica and that was the question I asked earlier.
Which city in New Zealand do you think is the
whiniest always complaining about stuff. But those people in Warnica,

(01:36:32):
I mean, they'll never recover from that McDonald's. I think,
for goodness sake, pick your battles. It made them look
precious because we know full well as soon as all
the Winnaka people out of it, out of what were
the first thing in doing is stopping and by McDonald's anyway,
that's what we are talking about. With the other stuff.
You've got all good and talking about five fo working

(01:36:55):
in Australia. It's a big commitment for people for their families,
isn't it to spend ten years in the extract of it.
I mean, I don't know how much how much job
satisfaction is there in mining iron or out of the
back of Australia. I suppose you're powering the world economy.

(01:37:16):
I suppose if you're into trucks and doing truck stuff,
it's good. Yeah, I could do that, what the sounds
of it. Anyway, that's what we're wrong about tonight. So
be in touch if you want to talk about this
or anything else. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
and nine nine two to text. Gosh, I'm just reading
on the The Eudis had a big budget. There's now

(01:37:39):
a text on sheers, but they're also saying that Australia
is bracing and the new budget's revealed that seven hundred
and sixty five thousand permanent migrants will arrive over the
next three years. A lot of people moving to Australia.
It's nearly a million people. It's a lot of people. Wow,

(01:38:01):
they're building homes. Good evening, Steve, this is Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 19 (01:38:07):
You're talking about the tunnels under Elwert Park. Yes, ah, yes,
well I've found two well turn its ways in they're
very much full back. They were very much filled back in.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
Yes, we have talked. We have talked a bit about
that that you probably understood that you probably didn't hear. Stephen.
A guy rang up and he was from Point Chevalier
and he was a very well informed kind of a
unit and he was ninety and he remembers in his day,

(01:38:48):
at the end of Montrose Road or street and Point Chevalier,
there's a thing called Montrose Road and he said, for
three years he watched trucks go and grab large bricks
of unfired clay full and I've been in those tunnels

(01:39:12):
and that's what I saw.

Speaker 19 (01:39:13):
Yep, that's right. Well to a point. Most of the
voids were back filled, but they could be opened up again.
It would be a horrendous job.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Yes, just before you get that, where did you go in?
Because I went up.

Speaker 19 (01:39:34):
As an area in Kitchener Street. Yes, we found we
found a manhole cover we thought might be something to
do with the storm water and lifted it up, had
a look and you could see that going towards the

(01:39:54):
park is a depression on the ground where it's collapsed.
Whatever was used as the lining on the entrance has collapsed.
That you could see that there's something there. And down
on Beach Road there's a new there's a service station

(01:40:17):
being built.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
Yes, that's that's where. That's where I got it.

Speaker 19 (01:40:20):
Behind it, there's a wall and apparently that's there's a
there's a gated entrance there, but it doesn't go very far.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Yes, that's where I went in.

Speaker 8 (01:40:34):
This is.

Speaker 19 (01:40:36):
The question there is like now, but thinking of it
in the in the light of can you just.

Speaker 3 (01:40:45):
Steve, can I just revisit you? How old are you
when you're looking for this man hole?

Speaker 12 (01:40:50):
Oh?

Speaker 19 (01:40:51):
Well, I've been interested. I've just turned seventy.

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
But are you like an urban caver or somewhat something.

Speaker 19 (01:40:57):
Of a potholer. Well, I know all the mines and
tunnels up here on the Coromandel, explore them, but yeah,
probably oh, just an interest in it now down and

(01:41:20):
oh well there were there are a number of tunnels.

Speaker 22 (01:41:26):
But but.

Speaker 19 (01:41:28):
We're going to think now, what would be the reason
for opening them up? Really?

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
Oh, there's no reason to someone's going to put wine
bars and stuff in them. But that's all gone by
the bye, isn't it.

Speaker 19 (01:41:40):
Yeah, I'll say they they were put in very quickly.
They weren't They weren't designed to last. They weren't like
the ones that stony bedroom why that are concrete lined
that they are lined, but in the pretty primitive times.

(01:42:00):
And it was put in during the First World War. Yeah,
I just say, what, really, what would be the point
that it'd be a major undertaking? And there used to
be ventilation points in the park?

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
Can I just correct you? They were built during World
War two?

Speaker 19 (01:42:27):
World War two? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:42:29):
Sorry? Could no. Yeah, they were constructed between December forty
one and January forty two, so they built quite quickly.

Speaker 19 (01:42:35):
They were built very quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
They were ahead.

Speaker 19 (01:42:40):
There were ventilation shafts around with the Clockers. They were
filled in or mid seventies. There was an area behind
the art gallery. They found a well. It was dugout
and they got some early armory that were in the

(01:43:02):
old guns Debt was purported to link into it somewhere
in Kitchener Street. There's several spots. I think there's one.
He's even got a plaque on it or did he
have a park on it to say that that was
behind a wall. There was a you know, like an

(01:43:24):
evacuation area. There's supposed to have been a hospital. You know,
quite a bit of you know, you could have been
a lot of people in there. But for what reason
would you want to open that up for? Did we
know artifacts? You know, I don't know. But there were
there are other tunnels in the city that I came.

(01:43:47):
Of course I got very adventurous.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
Yeah we were. I've got to run for a break, Steve,
hang on there. Sorry about that. I'm behind times, Steve.
Where were the other tunnels that you found?

Speaker 19 (01:43:59):
There's one who used to be one that you could
get in from Myers Park. You could go down into
Queen Street. It's a bricklined drainage tunnel. Was the Lager
Canal originally, and you're coming out underneath the Ferry building.
There's also one sort of in that area where you

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can get or used to be able to get into.
It comes up in the Simon Street. You come up
into a manhole cover up into Simon Street. But that's
just a drainage that was quite big. And from there
I could go up to as far as or up

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as far as Grafton Bridge. You're coming up by the cemetery.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
Wow, what are you doing all this?

Speaker 19 (01:44:52):
Oh? Oh, should I say between nineteen eighty and ninety ninety,
I've got quite adventurous looking at they see this tunnels
were all over different cities like London, over the place,
the old railway.

Speaker 23 (01:45:07):
Come.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
I've got to talk about that more time, Steve. So
I'm right off eds. But look, yeah, let's hold that
conversation the other night, because I'm finding that fascinating. But
thank you. Seven to ten. Hi, Katie, it's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 7 (01:45:19):
Hello Marcus. It's Katie again. I'm very upset about the cross.
The old guys they've got for the coaches for the
all blacks. I mean, they've got really and another older
guy and now they're brought in sir Graham, Henry, who's eighty, I.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
Mean the eighty, ye gods sake.

Speaker 7 (01:45:42):
Well, I just think they get rid of they get
rid of Raiser, and then they've got this three old guys.
I think Unga might be helping as well, but Dave
really doesn't look so he could smile. And I just
think you're all about old. They need a younger.

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
It's going to be it's going to be humbling if
they get spanked, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:46:02):
Yeah, well I hope they do.

Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
It's going to be humbling for them. But you're quite right.
Give someone young ago.

Speaker 7 (01:46:07):
Well, we've got three of them, and they'd be old.
They're not what I aren't called young, and they're not
terribly charismatic. I mean Henry, Sir Henry, he's he's lovely
and he's sort of there in a capacity role.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
I think he's always been. He's always been a gruff
old bugger.

Speaker 7 (01:46:25):
Though I know, I know, so we'll just sort of
wanted to tell you about that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
Yeah, I wondered how old he was when I heard
him today. I thought, well, yeah, but I didn't put
to And two he.

Speaker 7 (01:46:37):
Will be that he's been a rold river. I mean,
he's very good. He's got a lot of knowledge. But
surely they don't have to peck pick people and old
to coach the all backs.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
And you wonder how a nineteen year old will relate
to them. Who's that well a nineteen year old player?

Speaker 7 (01:46:56):
Oh yes, exactly, he like his grandfather.

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
Well, and you know I was fear enough get to
the point granddad. I mean, ye might be the.

Speaker 7 (01:47:06):
Only one inside this. I just had to let you know.

Speaker 19 (01:47:09):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
I think I think it's very interesting the points you make, Katie,
But I think the results will be telling. If yeah,
because no one's gonna be No one's gonna like world
ride ridicule from the for the media, worldwide media. If
the headliners, you know, Dad's army fails or whatever it is. Oh, well,
when they made their fortune, you think they'd want to Well, well,

(01:47:30):
I guess dar one likes to be able of the
limelight for that long. Something sounds a bit desperate about
to me. You think you're right. Thank you for that, Katie. Oh,
welcome to the final hour. People even know seven Bridge
or Tunnel Auckland, the crossing. There's going to be a
lot of discussion about that because mark my word, it
sounds like a free what happened They tried to put

(01:47:54):
a bikeway across it, good idea, and what happened was
the people along the area north kit North Cote where
the butt bikeway was going, they were impossible with how
much fuss they kicked out. And that was just for
people cycling part. Imagine there's going to be four lane
roads going past your place. There will be campaigns like

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you've never seen before. So yeah, and there will be
environment courts and all sorts of things. It will be very,
very very hard to get across the line unless they
fast track it or put some pretty tough legislation through.
I don't know what that legislation is going to be,
but yeah, it's going to be tough. So anyway, there's that.

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So if you want to talk about that or anything
else tonight, that's the plan. My name's Marcus. Welcome. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty and nine two nine to
the text. If you don't want to come through anything
else you want to mention, I am here for you.
So eight hundred eighty taddy and nineteen ninety to text
kettle twelve. So we are talking about the tunnel and

(01:49:03):
about working in Australia five FO five four is fly
in fly out for those that don't know, as a
new thing to me as well. But yeah, that's what
we're on about tonight. So if you want to discuss
it this or anything else, would love to hear from you.
All the lines are free. And that woman was quite

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interesting about I mean, its unusual about Graham Henry. It
would be unusual to employ someone that's eighty as an
advisor because normally in the modern world you're considered, you know,
you're always trying to get young people and the smart
young people. So yeah, I know what you want to say.
Would you go to a surgeon who was eighty or

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a different analogy, But that's something you can discuss tonight. People,
if you want to talk here till twelve, anything goes.
As I've said the number of times my name is
Marcus welcome eight one hundred and eighty thirty and nine
two nine too is the text number if you want
to come through tunnel from mechanics made to Devenport more
move some traffic with State Higway one. Graham Henry is

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not a coach, he's a selector. Very good, thank you.
The City harbor Bridge is made from steel made in
Australian ambutments are sandstone. The Orkan harborridge is steel with
the pairs made of reinforced concrete. I have an irrational
fair of the Auckland Harbor Bridge. I swear that thing
is just going to collapse straight into the harbor. I
will not drive over by choice. Nio Ah Marcus. There

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were trenches dug behind the Dominion Museum in Wellington during
the war, and there was a top secret, highly important
operational center, and the Craycroft Caverns and christ Dutch were
surveillance and decoding activities were carried out. Entry was via
a trap door in the kitchen of Craycroft House, which
mysteriously burnt down after the war ended. Those involved were
bound by the Official Secrets Act. The caverns when he

(01:50:52):
discovered a TV jurist doing a documentary on the adjacent
Kashmere Sanitorium discovered a ventilation pipe and got permission to investigate. Marcus,
my sixteen year old son actually goes to a mine,
a school and a mine and Perth. They learn everything
about minding a At eighteen, they start working full time.
He loves it. Who wouldn't hi Jamie, it's Marcus. Thanks

(01:51:17):
for coming and welcome here.

Speaker 13 (01:51:20):
How's your like going?

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
I just did good, Jamie, Thank you real good.

Speaker 13 (01:51:24):
Yeah, I'm sorry. I've sort of been on and off
listening tonight, but I heard you mentioned five so and
people move into Australia. And about two weeks ago my
brother in law rung me and he was like, what
have I got to do?

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
Drive?

Speaker 13 (01:51:37):
Because he's got his past five and ended, but he
hasn't done line all. But he's like, what have I
got to do to get in a truck and do
what you're doing? Because he wants to cat over drive
for like two months and go home for a couple
of weeks to endy fly back. And I was like, oh, yeah,
I think the money might be in.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
It for you.

Speaker 13 (01:51:55):
So he's just in the process of just getting everything
sorted and then I'll get him a job here when
he comes over, and we'll see how he goes.

Speaker 3 (01:52:04):
There's a bit of a I mean more constently, more
people are talking about it, aren't they. I mean, it's
well over here. It seems to have reached fever pitch.

Speaker 2 (01:52:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:52:12):
My sister does fight fer she's got like a trainee
trainee job as a driller off side of the driller,
and yeah, she makes all right money.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
So where does she go?

Speaker 13 (01:52:28):
Somewhere in pers she works in a gold mine somewhere
out of person. Yeah, but it's you don't get paid
like for your travel. So yeah, so like the day
they fly in and fly out, like from the east coast,
it would be a whole day but one, and they
don't pay you for that, you know, so that ends
up coming.

Speaker 8 (01:52:48):
Off your two weeks.

Speaker 13 (01:52:50):
You're off too, so you have two days travel as well.
So it's I don't know, there's proas that comes to it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:56):
I guess where does she Where does she live?

Speaker 13 (01:53:01):
Oh, she just lives with family and curse. Like they
just read sort of share a room because there's a
whole household of them. They all do fivefo so they
just all like whoever's not there, they just share a room.
And then if everyone is there, then my sister just
goes to like Bali or go that's for two weeks

(01:53:22):
because it's cheaper. They heard a fly to Bali for
two weeks and it is to stay in Perth and
get a hotel.

Speaker 3 (01:53:28):
How old is she?

Speaker 13 (01:53:32):
Just about thirty, younger than I am. Yeah, thirty one.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
I think it's a pretty interesting way to live your life.

Speaker 13 (01:53:37):
A yeah, yeah, I've been calling for years to come
over personal trainer and yes, like she was in the
UK and I enjoying life, but it was hard to live.
It was like come over here and then yeah, she's
moved over and got a job straight away, which and
yes she's been enjoying it.

Speaker 8 (01:53:57):
I guess like.

Speaker 13 (01:53:57):
Forty bucks an hour. I think through the trainees roles
not bad.

Speaker 3 (01:54:01):
Have you thought of doing it?

Speaker 13 (01:54:03):
Yeah, like I say, trucking on the issues pretty similar.
Money the only thing that I probably do as they
feed you. But yeah, we get paid pretty well, like yeah,
this week I got, I was before tax, but the

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pay was in the force.

Speaker 8 (01:54:25):
Put it that way.

Speaker 13 (01:54:26):
There was a four in front of the number, so
yeah we got.

Speaker 24 (01:54:29):
You know, there's not much.

Speaker 13 (01:54:31):
Point really gone no when, But the problem is we don't.
We only get like a week twenty four hours off
every six days is all we got to have. Whereas
if you go do firefight, I'd have a week to
two weeks off one week, but then you don't get
paid for that week, So it works out we're actually

(01:54:51):
when you work that out, we're working more but we're
making more money. If that sort of makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:54:56):
Yeah, it just does. It just does seem though. Was
the extractive industry. There's just so much money to be made.

Speaker 22 (01:55:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:55:04):
Yeah, Well I was working for Centurion and all they
do I've got a sick of it. But all they
do is just cut stuff into the mine. So I
was taking like motors into the mines for big dump
trucks and just keeps some random stuff. And yeah, they
it was an eye opener, but just all the rules
and everything, I sort of couldn't handle it.

Speaker 3 (01:55:27):
You do not get used to obeying rules.

Speaker 13 (01:55:30):
Oh you get used to it. But like you, so
you pull up outside of the mine, you go and
sign it, and they go, all right, wait there, someone
will just caught you in. So you've got to wait
for an hour or so for someone to come and
there with a flashing light before you can even drive in.
And then you sort of your stuff out and then
you get unloaded, and then you've got to wait another
they could be business. You're going to wait another half

(01:55:52):
hour before you can even drive out.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
Yeah, okay, I'm hearing you. Are you working out Jamie
so yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:56:01):
Yeah, yeah, just down there, gunder guy at the moment
loaded out of Sydney heating over to Adelaide with a
load of paper on.

Speaker 8 (01:56:08):
So it's not too bad.

Speaker 13 (01:56:09):
Get to La tomorrow night.

Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
Say so much for the paperless world.

Speaker 13 (01:56:13):
Eh oh yeah, Thissen is just cardboard, and they'll make
carbol boxes and then and I'll get thrown on the
skipping and then I'll get put on my truck in
another week and get recycled again, and it goes around
and around, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:56:27):
Nice to hear, forgot Jamie, Thanks so much. Twenty three
past eleven oh and eighty, Marcus, would we still listen
to savor David Edron's vol Planet as an old guy
doesn't know what he's talking about? Gail with age comes
wisdom and sexual circumstances, Marcus, the war Kevins and Kashmire
christ Chich I nursed there at the center to room

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and got to see the entrances. The caverns are a
little known by the general public and are not over
to the public, but have a fascinating history. Because I
don't really know much about the Craycroft Kevin's, but I
don't even know if I'm actually pronouncing Craycroft right, So
I apologize if I'm getting christ chitch people. It's the
last thing I want to wind you up. But there
is a Wikipedia page constructed secretly during the Second World

(01:57:09):
Will response to the Japanese threat. Their attended to house
operational headquarters in the event of attack, starting at nineteen
forty two. They had railways inside them. I'll read that afterwork.
That's fascinating. I don't know too much about where the
Craycraft Senatorium was, but I'll look into that. It's twenty
four past eleven. Good evening, alistair Ats Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 9 (01:57:34):
Hey guy Goods.

Speaker 24 (01:57:36):
Yeah, my godfather was Bill Wilson Craigoff. So he lived
in that Crackhoff house on the on the kesh Mere Hills.
He died recently on January the twenty eight so this year,
so he was ninety two. But he was known as
Bill Wilson and he taught the Crackoff name away. So
he told me about the house on the Porthill's there, yes,

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and it's I looked it up. He told they were
told they had to get out of their house for
the army. That says they were abandoned, but no, he
told me they had to get out.

Speaker 14 (01:58:09):
So the whole.

Speaker 24 (01:58:10):
It was a massive mansion on the Porthals and there
was a massive tunnel underneath it too.

Speaker 3 (01:58:16):
So they were industrialists, were they.

Speaker 10 (01:58:21):
Well?

Speaker 24 (01:58:21):
He told me the family live in North Canterbury and
a place called Harden. He told me the story that
their family. Now, if I remember rightly, his father was
John Wilson, and they came from India and he was
a judge of a politician and a farmer. So, and

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they bought most of the Keshmir Hills actually, so they
had that most of that at the ten of the
century and they sold I think a big block of
the last block of land just before the earthquake down
in christ Church. So there's there, but the place when
I used to go and see them, he told me
that the house was just unbelieved. It was on another planet.

Speaker 3 (01:59:04):
Wow, Okay, what street was the place on.

Speaker 23 (01:59:08):
I don't know it.

Speaker 24 (01:59:09):
All I know is it was up on the Port Hills.
And then you share a correct that was burnt down afterwards,
and I don't know what happened after that. But he
did talk about that tunnel though, Yeah it was Yeah.
I don't know the whole story about that tunnel, but
there was Yeah, it was meant to be huge.

Speaker 3 (01:59:29):
Okay, it's a fast but it's a fascinating but history.
And I presume the house is still there, right, that's
what we're saying, isn't it.

Speaker 24 (01:59:36):
No, the house, the house, the actual houses broke off.
House was burnt down, so I don't even know what
a yeah, no, so and our family.

Speaker 3 (01:59:47):
There is it's a reserve. Now there's caught a place
called Cashmore Craycroft Caverns Reserve on Cesesa Round Lane. So
that appears to be where it's all. That must be
the site where the estate was, where it's It was
hard for it to burn down because it's a it's
a with a stone building. That that appears to be
where it all is.

Speaker 24 (02:00:04):
Yeah, and our family's out of it now. But my
grandfather ran Dunn Cox for lawyers, so they're all through
New Zealander head officers in Christis. So I love it Nelson.
So we go down there's like a broad ty but
I hate it. I don't go near the place. So
the yeah, oh well, I ended up doing my own

(02:00:27):
figure life up here in Nelson. And so he was
a grandfather and great grandfather. Yeah, Now they were friends
of the Wilsons and that's and I was brought up
in North Kenbury, So yeah, no, he ended up Bill
ended up being a farmer. He could have done anything
he liked, but he ended up being a farm And

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and who's I think the two's sons here, two sons
run the farm and it's his hue among us at
the best of pardon, and but they just he worked
out all his life, and but they they I remember
when I used to go and stay with the family occasionally,
and I remember, right he has father got this Queen's

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Service medal. I think I don't know what it was
in those days, probably would have been kings honors. So
it was an interesting family actually. And in fact where
I live in Nelson, in a place called Tahnah, it
was actually owned by Bill Wilson. And when I was
about twenty five, so about sixty two, now I branded

(02:01:31):
about that house and I bought it in eighty nine
and just rolls put everything on the line to get
it again say that, but again, so when and I
bought used to the house I owned into Honah, which
would be the biggest section in Tahnah. Quader acre in
the middle was owned by my godfather Bill Wilson, and

(02:01:53):
when he sold it in eighty nine, I dreamed about
owning it as a kid. So when I came up,
I was running a tennis business, and I started in
eighty seven just before the shep market crash and put
everything on the line and bought the place in the
store owner.

Speaker 2 (02:02:09):
Wow and then yeah no, so yeah, no.

Speaker 24 (02:02:12):
One day I'll talk a bit more about what I did.
But I'm an interesting person. I played professional tennis when
I was younger, and then.

Speaker 3 (02:02:20):
I don't know to Hona that well, but we unfortunately
when we came through Nelson our last holiday, we had
to sort of panic find a place to stay. And
we found a place to stay and to Honah. But boy,
oh boy, it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't at the
pick of it, Yeah, she was pretty run down, you know,
coming off the fair and just booking somewhere in a hurry.
But anyway, how.

Speaker 24 (02:02:41):
Long did you go?

Speaker 22 (02:02:42):
Was that?

Speaker 3 (02:02:43):
Three months?

Speaker 24 (02:02:45):
We'll see in that town there has changed a little bit.
There's some new buildings going in. But I probably end
the fifteen hours of my time and I come in
all the streets into Honas So you see to Honah's spotless.

Speaker 3 (02:02:58):
Goodness, And where's your place? Are you right down by
the are you right down?

Speaker 24 (02:03:02):
Well?

Speaker 3 (02:03:02):
And it's complicated if we don't really get to the beach.
It's quite a big ES three area. Isn't there a
big kind of sandy pats much?

Speaker 8 (02:03:09):
Do you know?

Speaker 24 (02:03:10):
Do you know where Kentucky Fridays?

Speaker 3 (02:03:11):
That's where we're next door to there. I think the
hotel was next door to that.

Speaker 24 (02:03:15):
I'm not across the road.

Speaker 3 (02:03:16):
Ours look kind of ours look kind of Tudor, but
it wasn't Tudor where we're staying. I forget what it
was called. It's terrible.

Speaker 24 (02:03:25):
Yeah, no, Tahna is going to change. It's already starting
to change. But it's like all towns and and you know,
it's had it's ups and downs.

Speaker 3 (02:03:34):
And why would it have on the way, why would
it have its downs?

Speaker 24 (02:03:38):
Oh? I shouldn't say this, but when we had over,
we had a lot of social housing around the hotels
and it caused the bar.

Speaker 3 (02:03:48):
That's that's fact. Like where we were was yeah fair
enough and so so.

Speaker 24 (02:03:54):
In fact, at the moment I'm just about to get
out of the car, I have a big involved was
the tohn the community? Haven't I'm just going to clean it.
I've been cleaning Nelson College all evening and have a
big I.

Speaker 3 (02:04:04):
Think the place we stayed that was it is called Castles.
That's down the road, you know, next to the subway.

Speaker 24 (02:04:14):
John May to tell you something.

Speaker 3 (02:04:17):
Someone was killed here.

Speaker 24 (02:04:19):
It was a community it was community housing.

Speaker 3 (02:04:21):
Yeah, okay, fair enough.

Speaker 24 (02:04:23):
Yeah, but it's a nice look the area.

Speaker 3 (02:04:29):
Look, we're just heading up to go to Target, CA.
So we've got a burn and did all the walks
and all the stuff around. But we had a fantastic time.
But it was just you know, sometimes your book somewhere
late at night and everything. Oh well, it might be right,
but you're getting everything. I actually it felt a bit unloved.

Speaker 24 (02:04:42):
Yeah, well I think that, to be honest, it would
have been clean. I'm assuming, well I have to be.
But there were there was social housing in that area there,
and yeah, it did change the area. But the area
is coming back in so and there's a lot of
developments to happen down the track. In fact, we looked
at who in the fields are as all owned by

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developers and eventually the whole town will change, you know,
I don't know, we not change, but it will change
and yeah no, and I'm not feeling my property here
of a nice place just not far from the beach,
and I couldn't afford to buy Anne place for revenue.

Speaker 8 (02:05:21):
I compete you there.

Speaker 3 (02:05:23):
Oh that's been a far ranging and interesting call from you, Alistairs.
I appreciate that. Thank you twenty six to twelve. If
you want to come through, I've indulgent but close.

Speaker 23 (02:05:33):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (02:05:34):
Now, I always enjoy what you have to say. Andrew
Andrew has emailed now. I think Andrew is a former politician.
I believe that to be the case, and a former
north Shore mayor. I think so probably knows what he's
on about. Marcus. The latest yawn about the next harbor
crossing has resurfaced another election year. Would you believe that

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the groundwork was all done in two double eight by
transit ends north Shore City Council and Auckland City Council.
Here we go, I was a north Shore mayor at
the time. Sixty options were thoroughly explored. Option two C
was finally chosen. It was announced that a flash at
the Auckland Club. The chosen option parallel road tunnels with

(02:06:20):
provisions for light rail between Esmond Road Interchange and Victoria
Market was all this is. Tunnels was all documented and
designation of the tunnels corridor was commenced. At the time
it was four billion to six billion. Now they are
talking fifteen to twenty billion. That's five times the price.

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So that's four to five times the price. Well, the
lowest price is four to fifteen is three point three Yeah, okay,
it's triple to quadrupled. The tunnels would be State Highway
one told, connecting the Northern and Southern motorways, while the
Harbor Bridge would be the free local road server the
Orklands CBD. But it won't happen in our lifetime as

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this will end up yet another election year talk fest
and will be thrown in the too hard basket and
too expensive basket. Meanwhile, the aging Harbor Bridge will require
increasing levels of maintenance and possibly laying closures for a
month on end to keep it in service. And he
sent me all the studies and there is a Wikipedia
plage Orkan service. What he also says is a possible

(02:07:30):
tunnel between Mechanics Bay and Northcote, which is what a
guy talked about. Mechanics Bay is down bottom of Parnell
where the helicotter's takeoff and where CBA used to be.
So I'm liking that. Thanks for that. I appreciate that. So, yeah,
all those consultants, all those reports. But the question Andrew

(02:07:54):
I have for you, if you're still listening, and it's
right if you're not, did we find out, Dan? Did
you find out how long the Harbor Bridge has got?
What do you say?

Speaker 11 (02:08:03):
Really?

Speaker 3 (02:08:04):
I can't see it and say, oh, yeah, where it
doesn't say that in chat, let's say after that is
after that? No, but how long has the Orkanharer Bridge got?
It was sort of work out when it actually actually
there's quite a good Wikipedia page that one. So I
don't know how long it will be until the Orkanharmer
Bridge becomes no longer fit for purpose? Would it get
one hundred years? So twenty fifty nine, that's not that

(02:08:26):
far away. I mean, twenty fifty nine is only thirty
three years. So if it takes ten years in the planning, yeah,
I mean I think we're cutting it fine. This we're
all in flying cars unless we've got the old gondolas,
and I'll get bring old Rod Jury to the rescue
with his gondolas. I think that's the that's the focus

(02:08:47):
for Queenstown.

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