Like a marble falling down stairs (10 February 2026)

Marcus talks the future of the great Chateau Tongariro, pool halls, and the King of Romance is returning to NZ!

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Marcus lush Night's podcast from News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Welcome, good evening to Tuesday, Tuesday, the tenth of February,
Marcus till twelve. I hope it's good where you are.
What does that even mean? I hope it's good where
you are. Yeah, let me just see if I can
unpack that. I hope where you are and listening, things
are okay for you, which doesn't really mean much, but
I hope by midnight, if they're not good, things have
gotten better. You've enjoyed some of the chet and maybe

(00:35):
you've learned something, and maybe you've felt part of a
community and you felt included, and your blood pressure hasn't
gone up. YadA, YadA yah. That's my mission statement for
the next three hours and fifty two minutes. So yeah,
hope it's good. Welcome to it here till twelve. I hope, Yeah.
I hope you can partake in the show. I feel
that on the back of everything that I feel that

(00:57):
we could have non curated talk tonight. We could give
the show a bit of time to breathe than we
could maybe look at a few different topics and if
there's stuff that you want to picture, you want to
talk about, then knock yourself out. I'm here for you,
and the show is here for you. There's stuff that
you feel when need to discuss that. I don't think
it's going to be a single topic night. It feels

(01:19):
a bit bitsy Bobby out there talk back wise, but
it's good. Sometimes it's the bitsy Bobby Knights that are
the good nights. So here lies the rub. What are
we going to start with. I've got no idea, but
if you want to come through, if there's something you
want to talk about, feel free to call. That's the

(01:39):
best thing. Something that I wouldn't mind talking a bit about.
And it's not a topic I've been overly fixated about,
but it's a topic that's been bubbling under in the
last couple of weeks. And I'll explain it as thus
this we are talking about the Chateau a Pair Who

(02:02):
and that remarkable building that I feel was built at
about the thirties and has always struggled. Well, it hasn't
always struggled, but it has different uses over the years.
In fact, I think during the war it became a
sanitorium and that's not a breakfast Sarah, that's a place
where ill people go, and I'm pretty sure that was

(02:25):
the case. I probably brought them up by train, but yeah,
this is the resort, Swiss style resort on Mountain Herpe.
Who that a lot of people who had re exciting
times at And in the last ten twenty years it's
been an overseas ownership. That's not that that's a problem,
but probably has been underinvest underinvested into and it's become

(02:49):
a earthquake risk. And by all it's kind of a
testimony to the old old tourism, you know, the old days.
This is what we're going to do. We're going to
bring people here and they're going to be in the
hills and it's going to be exciting. But good on them.
It was a plan and for a long time it
was a good plan, I think built nineteen thirty. So anyhow,

(03:10):
they decided that it was no longer earthquake proof and
they were going to get rid of it. By the way,
what's interesting, most of the labor was from the nearby prison,
which I'm just reading about now, so and the government
owned it for a long long time and it had
various uses. The Health Department used it as an asylum

(03:30):
when the wided Upper earthquake damage the pottytoor psychiatric institution.
So it's had many different uses over the years and
many fond memories. However, it's been in private ownership and
hasn't gone so well with the financial crisis and earthquake proving,
and it's now looking because of the seismic risk to it.
It's looking and it's going to close down. But since

(03:52):
recently there has been talk that plans for it. There
are plans for it to be revived so it doesn't
actually get destroyed. So I guess my question to you.
And there's articles in the hero and says the government
and took are out restoring it. But does anyone out
there have any ideas how that could be saved or

(04:14):
what that could be used for? Because every well to
say we could spend one hundred million dollars in tune
into a hotel, but who would go and stay there?
If they didn't go there stay in the past, Why
a they're going to stay there in the future. And
how could you make that something that is not a
drain and something that pays its own way. I don't
know if there's an answer. I'm just curious to know
because every time something we say we're going to knock
it down, because I don't don't knock it down. It's
to a jue heritage, But you really need a plan

(04:37):
to keep it going. It's good to preserve some history,
but it's got to be preserve not just for the
sake of It's got to have some sort of vital use,
I would think otherwise it's going to be sad. So
if you've got some discussion about the chateau, how they
could or what they could do with it. I've got
no idea what it could be used for. And this
would be like a giant spookers that people walk through
there in their ski gear in the winter and got terrified.

(05:00):
But yeah, I've got no idea. But I just wonder
if anyone had an idea how they could attract high
spending tourists to go there. It's not like it's right
next to the train. It's about seventeen kilometers from the train.
I know that because I walked from the train to there.
I thought the train was going to drop me off outside,
but oh no, it was quite a way away Upper Hill.
Mind you, we managed it. But yeah, I want to

(05:20):
talk about the Chateau Tongerero and what you think the
plan to save that could be. Yes, eight hundred and
eighty to ten eighty, Barbara, this is Marcus. Welcome in
good evening. Hi, Barbara.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Sixty two years ago yesterday we spent the first night
of our honeymoon in the Shadow Toeiro.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
It was a beautiful hotel, beautiful and the thing was
it had a lovely golfings in front and had all
sorts of walks and things you could do. And today
with their cycling and walking in a lot more tracks,
I think it's got a summer future as well as Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, well, I mean it was. It was always available
for the summer, was it. I'm not quite sure what
the patronage was like.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
No, it was absolutely magnificent. It was a regency built,
Regency decorated, and it was they modernized it, which spoilted
a bit, But in its heyday it was a magnificent
hotel and I'm quite sure that it could be restored
to something special.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Again, did you get married. Did you get married nearby?
Were you married in Hamilton or somewhere like that?

Speaker 4 (06:27):
No, No, I came from Rasahi on the way.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
So you're quite close.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
We had a big marquis in the garden just outside
the garden of the paddock, and we were actually married
at Mary's Church in Rasahi, and it was eighty five
degrees that day, but we had a fabulous We didn't
have electricity at our blessed so we raped the crakes
of bubbly into the Manganui River that we boarded our place,

(06:55):
and that kept the drink.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
Some cool books.

Speaker 6 (06:58):
That never gets a.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Bove about a ten or eleven degrees.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
I've just translated that, Barbara. Eighty five degrees is thirty
degrees for our scale, so that is I wasn' quite
sure it was going to be hot or cold. But
it was very hot.

Speaker 6 (07:09):
Oh it's pretty hot.

Speaker 7 (07:10):
The very breeze.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
But anyway, the mangan Ue River drains all the western
side of repe who closed the books most of the
way done so anyway, that's how we kept drink.

Speaker 8 (07:22):
School for this.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Was it was it mainly honeymooners at the chateau that
weekend or that day.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
I had no idea. There was nobody else for us
for our minds.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Very good, Barbara, lovely story. Thank you for that, Steve.
This is Marcus welcome, good evening.

Speaker 9 (07:40):
STEM have convinced me that we don't need to renovate
it again. I stayed there, gosh would have been twenty
five years ago, and it was expensive, but it was shabby.
And I know this is when I was been running
com initially, and I just thought to myself, never went back.

(08:03):
It's just if you're going to have a place like that,
you can't afford to kind of seal as premium and
then just let all the little details go. It was
just from down tatty, lots and lots of you just
just poorly maintained. And I would hate to think when
we bail it out, you know, with a big, big
injection to capital and then just I don't know, maybe

(08:25):
it runs well for a few years and then eventually
just let go and tatty again and then and doing
the same thing. It's it's going to survive, you know,
someone it has to be done commercially. They need to
come in there, decide what it's going to be. It
could be, you a retro kind of classy, but if
they do that, the bloody classy, and if it's going
to be sort of a modern hotel, then they're going

(08:46):
to have to upgrade a hell of a lot of
stuff and make it model and keep it modern, you know.
Other than that, I have no appetite of bailing it
out of it.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
And Steve, what about the springs? What I mean springs
to mind is the tourism places that are really struggling,
other ones with is no local workforce, and I don't
know who would work there. You know, it's a long
way away from well, it's a it's a fairly it's
a significant drive away from o Hakune, you know. So
it's yeah, it's in the middle of no where. You
need accommodation for the staff staff. And we all know

(09:14):
that hotels are big on staff, aren't They need a
couple of hundred to work there about.

Speaker 9 (09:19):
So I really want it to be a local icon
and then the whole community is going to get together
and create some connections and link it up with the
cycle trails and things like that and just you know,
build the experience, build it into the local experience, and
then it might have a shot. But you can't do
these things just as an isolated venture that you know,
because it's own sort of VP, and they just hope

(09:39):
that will last. It's it's just say, these isolated places,
they need to be part of a whole set of
a regional experience. And I've seen a few things a
few of those go well yeah, but you know you can't.
You just can't go and.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Don't be I mean, the one thing, the one thing
i'd say about is the location with the mountain there
is and the view out from the mountains phenomenal. But
I think if you're going to restore it, you'll probably
be better off knocking it down and building a purpose built,
brand new place that is catering better for the high
end tourists that you're trying to attract. But then you think,
what's the point?

Speaker 9 (10:11):
Yeah, yeah, possibly you know one thing that has changed,
and that's so I don't know for sure, but I
get the feeling when I used to go up there
as a kid, it used to slow down by the
chateau quite a bit. And I haven't seen smell of
the shadow for yachts, and I wonder if that's part
of the mistiquees gone, because it used to feel like
a a sort of an alpine adventure and you walk
the tracks around there and there were snow on the ground.

(10:32):
I can't rememberize them a sort of stole the ground
at the modern hill.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
So you're suggesting they move it up the hill a bit.

Speaker 9 (10:38):
Or a reverse moment, change one or the other.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Good luck with that, Steve. Thank you. Hold your horses, people,
I'll get to your scene the Chateau nineteen past eight.
There will be text we are talking about that. I
guess the one thing is, if we do restore the shadow,
it's probably not going to be something that's going to
be within reach of most. It'll be further out of
reach at all, I would think. But yeah, I don't
know what the plan is. You need some pretty special
eco tourism type thing. Mind you. People falling over themselves

(11:03):
through that tongue of a crossing, aren't they. They love that,
although it's just particularly hard because you've got to be
dropped off and picked up. That's a good thing or
a bad thing. But I have done it. But yeah,
it did require a bit of shannigans. Bob, this is Marcus,
good evening.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Sorry that the satu Marcus. We went there years ago.
There was a bus company called Newman's They run from
Wellington up there, and they just filled the bus with
anybody and everything and away we went and Anyway, we
got up there, and on the trip up there, there
was two Chinese people in the same bus as we were,
and I have been really rude, going lily laipu ching

(11:39):
ching and being extra And anyway, we got up to
the chateau and we did skiing for the good skiing
for the day, and then we went back to the
chateau and had dinner there. Well, one of the guys
had obviously been on the wacky backy all day or something,
because he decided that he should use his spoon as
a cat boult and flick some trifle onto me. Well,

(12:03):
within thirty seconds the room was full of triple strifle fight.

Speaker 10 (12:09):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (12:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
We we went to a movie with the with the
Blue Lagoon movie, which was supposed to be very naughty
in those days. So we all went and watched that
at the actual chadow had the movie on.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
I don't know if I don't know if it was
I don't think history has judged The Blue Lagoon as
a movie. That well, that was what was doing.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
And also the drink that black Russian was quite popular
in those days.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Vodka kala and cokes.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
That right, that's it. So he polished a few of
them off, and on the way back the funniest thing
on the way back in the bus and these two
Chinese people. He never said a word to me all
the way up there, all were dinner, all that, and
then the plainest English when we just about got to Wellington.
She stood up and said, but God's like, well you
shut up, Bob.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
How did that make you feel? Was it a learning
Was it a learning experience for you?

Speaker 6 (13:02):
Bob?

Speaker 12 (13:05):
I didn't have an answer.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
What was the days was already pretty run down. That's
got to be thirty years ago. It was pretty run
down even then. That look to be. It feels I
wouldn't pay I wouldn't pay huge money to go.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
You know.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
It feels like it's always been run down, Bob. And yeah,
I think, yeah, No, I thought you had to be
sort of at the Blue Lagoon. An incredibly problematic movie.
For those that have remembered that, that was Brookshield and
Christopher you remember it. Christopher Atkins would not be made today.
Let's just put it that way. This it was funded

(13:44):
by Epstein, if you know what I mean. Twenty five
past eight, eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty we were
talking about the chateau and what would you have What
would be a scenario where it could be survived or
exist be survived. He's a bad words. I'm choosing what
would be a scenario where it could be restored and
it could make money. I suppose there could be a

(14:07):
business case that could justify it. I can't think what
it would be because if you look at the high
end tourists, they probably want to going to be in
Queenstown or Warnica, even Mount Cooked, the big hermitage there
looks unloved from time to time, doesn't It looks like
that would be probably struggling to get the high end
people there could feel very remote, cold, even Kate. This

(14:29):
is Marcus, Welcome home, Marcus.

Speaker 13 (14:33):
Hey, I thought it was worth calling in. I can
give you some intel on what actually happened with the Shadow.
So I was dealing with Doc at the time on
something else, and what happened was Doc really has to
take responsibility for the failure of the Shadow. The problem

(14:56):
with the chateau was the lease. So they had a
steady year lease and then they couldn't get it renewed
because Doc couldn't agree for ewe the terms of renewal,
and they changed the terms of renewal, and so all
they were offering was a ten year lease. And the
company that owned the chateau when they first bought it,

(15:20):
i think from the government, it was totally unprofitable and
so they bought it with fity a lease and they
put in a whole lot more accommodation. And their expectation
was that you could just keep getting leases and that's
what you need to do some capital expenditure. But then
they couldn't, and that's why it got run down because
by the time they exited, they were operating without a lease.

(15:43):
So who was going to put any money into doing
anything when you.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Have no lease.

Speaker 13 (15:49):
And in the end, they just walked away. And not
only were docs shortening the lease, but they were making
the lease terms a lot more onerous, expecting much more,
much more in terms of revenue back to Dock. They
were saying that the owner would have to remediate the

(16:12):
site if they didn't get another lease. It was just
it was just totally impossible. So until Dock thoughts its
own house out, and it amazes me, knowing the inside story,
that the government has managed to walk away without people

(16:35):
really appreciating that this is a government created issue.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
What about can you address the earthquake the earthquake vulnerability
of the building.

Speaker 13 (16:47):
Yeah, well, this is the problem that there's no way
you would spend all that money to fix the earthquake
vulnerability if you have no surety of a lease. I mean,
it just costs too much defect. Sure, they knew that
it would cost a lot to do up, but they
weren't prepared. The company that owned it, they wouldn't prepare

(17:07):
to make that kind of capital expenditure until they could
get a sensible lease term. And they couldn't get it.
And Doc said that they had it under control, and
it dragged on and on and on until the Shadow
didn't end up having a lease at all.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
And what was what was your connection, Kate?

Speaker 13 (17:28):
I don't really want to say, but.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
I was.

Speaker 13 (17:33):
We were trying to get a lease for a different building,
and it just so happened that the person who owned
that different building had a really close relationship with a
person that ran the Shadow. So it was I mean
that everybody knows everybody. So And in terms of the

(17:53):
interesting no other point that you made about not having
employees the Shadow and those buildings around the Shadow, because
don't forget the Shadow was not just the Shadow, it
was the tavern. So you know, you had multiple buildings
that the Shadow is running. Those were being staffed by

(18:15):
locals and so a lot of locals who we're finding employment,
not out of o'couney, but from you know, a whole
lot of places around National Park.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Okay, got to leave it there because were on headlines.
But thank you so much for your call. There are lines,
they're free. The number is, oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty if you want to text, it's nine to nine till.
We're talking about saving the Shadow, but saving it and
doing what would it feel free to come through? As
I say, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty, I'll get
the text before too long. Nine to nine to if
you want to text. Thanks to twenty nine to nine.

(18:50):
We are talking about the chateau and the plans for it.
It says the government is in talk around restoring the
derelict Chateau Tongo demolished and still a demolition, still still
an option. There was a petition for a pay who
mere Western Curtain. I spent some time on the holidays
and oh, Halconney, that's to town that looks a little

(19:12):
bit down on its luck at the moment, looks like
a ghost town. But I guess that's the summer really
comes into its own in the winter, I guess. So yeah,
but you know coastal drift, people going to the edges
of the country skiing. Well, it comes and goes, I suppose,
says the response to petition, rehitorates that the building requires

(19:34):
considerable investment, including earthquake strengthening and restoration, to make it
fit for use as a hotel. Again, so yeah, you
might have. I mean, people are passionate about it. It's
a famous building, isn't it. It's probably one of the
most in terms of talkback, it's probably one of the
most buildings, one of the buildings that people have the
fondest memories of about. People love talking about it. Twenty

(19:54):
had away from nine and it's Marcus good.

Speaker 14 (19:56):
Evening, good evening.

Speaker 15 (19:58):
I saw it.

Speaker 14 (19:59):
I'd bring up because we used too as a family,
my late husband and when the children young, we used
to go and walk a lot around there and we
but we used to camp. There was a just net
near the shadow was a place and we had a
big caravan type car that so we could all squish

(20:20):
in with the tent, and a lot of people slept
in a little lane further up from the shadow. But
we decided to go and have just have tea afternoon
tea in the shadow, and it really was going downhill.
There was nice straps on the floor and all this
sort of thing. And I tend to think that it
perhaps might be better to make it more modern and

(20:43):
to get more people and families, because it wasn't the chateau.
Wasn't the sort of place do you want to have
with children running around the corridors? Would you if you
had enough money to go and stay and be quiet
and peaceful, put my clothes on at night. I think
it would spoil it, but I don't think they should
get rid of it. Just maybe it was out of

(21:05):
If it had been in a good place, we wouldn't
have had the money then to bring the hot family
in there anyway, And so having that other place that
we could stay in our own, we had a camp
of fan as I say, and that worked out. Both
the things could work together. But I always remember that
I could hear a lot of squeaking and tweeting in there,

(21:29):
and I don't know what it was, but something was
a bird or something was up in the roof of
the hotel or whatever you call it, you know, I
mean we've got so many well, I say, we are
a New Zealand right now. In England. There's so many
of those old houses and they do become an awful

(21:50):
nuisance because they give it the birds, bats get in
at night and that sort of thing. So of mixed
feelings about it because we only went in once that
afternoon tea because it was jolly expensive. There were five
of us. I don't know, don't I'm just telling you

(22:12):
what I saw. One way about.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Nice to hear from you, Anne. I wonder if it's
that style of thing. Probably that style of resort probably
never set well in New Zealand. It might not be
for us, because you're right, you know. I didn't feel
like a child friendly place, did it? So yeah, all
of it's curious what people are saying. I keep it
going for you want to talk at twenty six away
from nine, we're talking about the chateau and what might

(22:35):
be a use. I can't think what another use for it.
I don't know if it would be particularly good outdoor
education center. I mean, you know what old buildings are there?
An old building to reliability, aren't they because they're not
fit for purpose and the maintenance is through the roof.
Particular's earthquake. But I presume it's brick and rough carst
is it in a big scale? People will know built
by prisoners, which is interesting. Twenty five to nine, twenty

(22:58):
three away from nine, we're talking about the shadow. Christ's
Marcus good evening.

Speaker 16 (23:02):
Yeah, Hi Marc, Yeah good, Thanks Chris. Hey, Look, I
don't agree that I recog they should keep the building.
There's a lot of history way before the hotels well
or the accommodation that was because back in the forties,
from what my grandmother had told me, it was first

(23:24):
used as a recuperation center for the Air Force in
the forties or thirties, and then it became a temporary
psychiatric facility for males and females from when poorbly rowa
hospital had an earthquake or something blah blah blah, goes
back in the history.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
It was the wided up at earthquake and that affected Partida.

Speaker 16 (23:46):
Yes, and so you're never going to see another building
like that, just like many around the country that you know,
all these old hospitals, prisons, whatever they are, and people
are using them as harms, accommodation or hotels or whatever
they're converting them into, but demolishing them. Know, you're never

(24:07):
going to get there. The heritage to building it is
by doing something like that.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
And what use is a heritage building that can't pay
its way? And that's not even in a place that a
lot of people go, you know, I mean I don't
necessarily know that people will go out of the way
to see it.

Speaker 16 (24:26):
Yeah, I know, I know. Everything's because you know, building
back in the days like they did using remove wood
and clay bricks and all the timber that went with it.
Well maybe not timber at all, but you know, it's
more expensive now to build the Victorian way of what

(24:48):
it looks like, Well what the building actually hell was
built and making it you know, maybe they could do
something with it and maybe well what else could I say?
I reckon it's part of the Skifield area of fucker Papa,
isn't it? And taking that away would this well what

(25:11):
are they going to do? Are they going to rebuild again?
Are they pull it down rebuild?

Speaker 17 (25:19):
Well?

Speaker 16 (25:20):
I don't know, Oh okay, yeah, well that's what I
will sort of let you know because that's yeah, because
it goes back in many, many years, and I think
people will or someone will come on and say, you know,
have an idea, but I recognized this. Well, if someone's
got the money that, they're not good on them.

Speaker 18 (25:40):
Good luck.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think any private individuals
come through. I think that they are the mirror of
who's talking about the government paying to restore it. But
I think the appetite for that would be really slim.

Speaker 16 (25:53):
Yeah, what's actually costing to get it?

Speaker 15 (25:57):
Well?

Speaker 16 (25:58):
Is it the strengthening of the building or.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Is it that I think it's a bit of both.
But I think it's an earth quite vulnerable building. And
we all know what earth quake buildings. They cost of
millions to be restored because much.

Speaker 16 (26:08):
I thought the government scrapped it because.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
They did so. The government has changed that provision, but
I don't know it necessary. Yeah, they did change some
of the level to which buildings are earthquake with You
make a good point there. I'll look into that. Yea, yeah, thanks,
Chris knows the information about that. Because they have changed
the earthquake strengthening laws, I presume it's still at a

(26:33):
risk of earthquakes that we just look at the last
aaron zed story as one from eight hours ago to Messes,
the government should be considered a proposal for an unnamed
investors returned this chateau to its former status as a hotel. Unnamed.
That's sketchy. We have an investor who has experiencing high
end hotels, five star hotels hereage buildings and a history

(26:53):
around this tie of activity. The investors willing to put
down about a hundred million of private money to refurbish
and repair the chateau. He was also asking for one
hundred and twenty year lease, which is significantly more than
the government usually allows the government for to talk in
terms of thirty eleases, which would discourage anyone for making
such a significant investment in the chateau. The building has
been in the hands of docks since it was closed,

(27:14):
as it sits on Conversation conservation land. But as time
goes by it's further and more falling, more and disrepair.
So apparently needs to be a change of the Conservation
Act in Parliament to get this developer involved. Yeah, so
it's complicated, but you'll have a story to say about this.

(27:35):
Eighteen away from nine talking about the shadow and what
you think should happen to it, and how passionate are
we about it? Really? I guess that's the question too.
I do never know what the state of international tourism
at the moment is. I guess there's probably plenty of
which people coming from the Northern Hemisphere and Australia. They
seem to go to Queenstown, don't they. But you never know.
Maybe that could be their thing. I don't know. And

(27:57):
then how do you promote something like that. I'm not
quite sure what sort of a draw card it is.
I don't have great hopes for it, but you never know.
I might be proven wrong on this one. I don't
know who the person the mayor of p whould be
talking about has had a that's had success with restoring
old hotels and buildings like this earthquake fractured buildings. But

(28:18):
maybe we'll find out. Fifteen to nine, Peter, this is Marcus.

Speaker 19 (28:22):
Welcome here a Marcus just regarding the shadow of be
a shame that it goes. But you know, we its
a heritage one building sort of thing. But you don't
believe in government funding something like that. Maybe they, like
the other ladies said a few calls actually said to
know a lot about it. But sometimes the government departments

(28:42):
are not always honest about how they've actually dealt with
are they. I think that what she's saying, I would
actually would bleed it, believe that lady what she said.
So really it's as part of the government too. Really,
how they've let it go to where it is, isn't
there they did something about or fought for the lease
of something, maybe it wouldn't be in that where the
position it is now, So that's sort of partially responsible,

(29:03):
weren't they.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
I guess it becomes difficult when you have commercial activities
in national parks. I think we're all very happy for
the national parks that we have. It's a bit like
the hotels and motels at Mount Cook and at Milford Sound,
because you're running a commercial activity accommodation the national park. So, yeah,
it becomes tricky, doesn't it.

Speaker 19 (29:24):
Yeah, it is a shame. I look at it now,
it's a beautiful building. Is it a history there too?
I see flipped As they've built that, they had about
one hundred old workers on it. When they've built it.
They are a whole laborers and all that. So I
here's right now. They had a workforce one hundred twenty
carpenters and laborers, offering an a sentina for free accommodation
and free suit the workers who stayed until the completion

(29:47):
of the project. So most labors were recruit at Kearney
and the prison thing there. So yes, there's a lot
of history there, but they're a shame that goes. I
would not like to see it go, but we can't.
Government can't spend that sort of money. It's not like
the cathedral and cross. It's really there's only so much
money the governments and trouble now with money, and we'd

(30:10):
like to keep it. But maybe they should just advertise
it worldwide and hoping some rich person will put their
hands in their pocket and buy it and be it'll
be brought up to a nicer place for accommodation for
real rich people.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, I yeah, yeah, No, I understand all your points
on the golf course. The golf course apparently was designed
by someone that was in prison, an architect that was
in prison. I don't know what he'd done wrong. You
don't only hear have architects been in prison, do you?

Speaker 15 (30:44):
Well?

Speaker 19 (30:44):
I suppose he got plenty of time in mate.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Exactly, I probably spend your whole time designing a golf
course while they're sitting at the looking at the four walls.
Did you did you ever stay there, Peter, No, I.

Speaker 19 (30:54):
Used to do skiing. I used to ski there a
few times, the odd time there. I wasn't the best
of skier, but I used to go there out again
the odd day out there. You know, I went past.
I never I should have the same old thing. I
should go and have a cup of tea or something
and the.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah, well I think it's closed. But I think your Dutch,
aren't you guys are better at the skating. I think
that's more your winter Olympic type thing. Have you done
the skating down the canals?

Speaker 13 (31:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (31:16):
I did that when I was over in Hollidy. I
was doing pretty good. I was never going to be
to the Olympic stage, but I wasn't doing too bad.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Who was the guy who was the guy with the
wooden skates? Was that hands brinker? Ah?

Speaker 19 (31:27):
Not too sure?

Speaker 3 (31:28):
You must you must remember that story that was always
on the TV had wooden skates.

Speaker 19 (31:32):
I've heard that one.

Speaker 11 (31:33):
But yeah, but I had to go.

Speaker 19 (31:35):
I was I was not too bad. I wasn't saying
it wasn't that good, but I meant to stay up
on my feet, so I was quite lucky. I had
a bit of a to me cousins there this place.
There be really at there a couple of days, and
I'm quite enjoyable. You gotta be a bit weary, because
you know, if you're just learning breaking sort of thing,
they're not of fun.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Anyway, You got your own clogs?

Speaker 19 (31:55):
Oh yes, I got one on the front and back door.
There's there's always donations excepted to my place.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Brilliant. I thought one night we'ld have you in your
clogs clamping around your house. Anyway, nice to talk to.
Thank you for that. Peter eight hundred and eighty. The
chateau and then tractical problem about what to do with it.
I've got no idea, by the way, because I can't
quite work out what would be a good use for it.
I mean, what are the buildings that make money these days?
Data centers not very good, is it? What else would

(32:21):
you put in that that would make money. It's a
long way away from any population center. I don't know
that the skiing is going to be I don't know
if I don't know if it's got a great future
for skiing. I mean, I hope it has, but I
think this year was a good season. But I think
it gets more and more irregular. Is that the right word?
Less and less reliable. It's city part of the country
that I feel quite passionate about. Wouldn't mind spending a

(32:42):
bit more time there. Get in touch. Mark is is
still twelve. There's other stuff you want to chuck a
pine about. Get in feel free. Nine away from nine.
Here's a question for you. What is this case of
a really old building that was for the chop that
was earthquake vulnerable that they've restored and managed to find

(33:05):
a good new use for or I don't know if
I could think of many. Often they'll save the facade
of facade of a building, which I don't know that's
good nor bad to me. That probably is worse just
saving part of the building. I can't think of an
old building that's been repurposed. I guess Victoria Park Market,
the old well, I guess that was the old place

(33:26):
where they burned, or the rubbish for Auckland with that
tall chimney that was a fairy. I mean, I don't
know what it's like now. It's had a few iterations,
but it was saved and it's an interesting part of
town and probably will continue to be an interesting part
of town. I'm just trying to think of some of
the other interesting buildings that have managed to be saved
and they've repurposed. But these are ones in big cities.
When you look at places that are remote, becomes a
little bit more difficult. And it is remote, and when

(33:49):
it's you've got to be driving there to go there.
It's not on a busy highway. It's a fairly big tour.
It's a pretty big detour. It is halfway up a mountain.
But I can't I don't know what the what the
gold standard for restoring and repurposing old buildings is a
couple of prisons have become backpackers, but that's always I

(34:10):
don't know if that's even a long term plan, if
that's that functional. But yeah, I don't know what your
examples for that are, because that could help drive the debate.
We went to an escape room in the Dunedin prison
and as a result, we've never been to an escape
room since. That's how freaked out the youngest kid was
because there was like a body down. Yeah, it was
a fairly grim kind of an experience. There are body parts.

(34:34):
I mean, it was all part of the Maybe it
was just a bit young for it.

Speaker 7 (34:38):
Good.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Evan Bruces is Marcus, Welcome.

Speaker 20 (34:41):
Hey Marcus. There was some very successful restoration of buildings
in Napier. Who were they were kind of because you
know Naples.

Speaker 12 (34:50):
The art echos, Yes, sure.

Speaker 20 (34:52):
Capital of the world, and there was a whole lot
of buildings that were going into disreputence and a guy
called I think his name was Pat Benson put a
lot of time and effort into restoring them and repurposing them.
There was a bank I think the number of buildings
that he got involved with that were restored and repurposed
and were very successful.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
It's a really interesting story because I knew that probably
I knew that that Hawkes Bay. You know, it wasn't
straight away that they became that deco thing. Obviously, there
was a rebrand that happened in a celebration. I didn't
know there was someone behind that, so that's interesting.

Speaker 21 (35:30):
Well, he was later on.

Speaker 20 (35:32):
In it, so you know that whole art deco festival thing, yes,
came a big thing in naked, but he was, and
I think sadly he had a couple of years ago,
but he put a lot of investment into restoring buildings,
and because the building code made it difficult not to

(35:54):
make them mark deco, I.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Think sure, And I guess you got to repurpose them
because I presume it's still not the Rothman's building in
such a I guess you had to find different tenants
and different uses for them.

Speaker 6 (36:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (36:05):
Yeah, TH's buildings being had various iterations for it. So
so I think, I mean Napi is a classic example
of buildings being repurpose and restored and having function and
being you know, a successful outcome.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Oh yeah, and such a big part of their profile
and their brand now tourism it.

Speaker 20 (36:30):
Yeah, well it's transform the town into So I think
you know, you say that you don't come think of anything,
but for me, that's an obvious thing that's been.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
It's a great example. Yeah, it's a great example. It's
a great example. I appreciate you coming through with that one, Bruce.
I think Miami and maybe they say the two great
deco cities left, Leslie, this is Marcus good evening.

Speaker 22 (36:57):
I'm living there. Seto, I lived in that area about
thirty forty years ago, and I was teaching tourism and
my cast I took them through the shadow and the
manager there told me that, and I can still remember
it that there's an Italian family that rents the top

(37:17):
four every second year for all his grandchildren and he's
look good fall to come out for a holiday for
two or three weeks.

Speaker 23 (37:26):
Wow.

Speaker 22 (37:26):
And I thought there must be some well ritched people
around nowadays that could do the same.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Could I'd be good if they could buy it?

Speaker 22 (37:33):
Why no, wouldn't it That's what.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
They probably need. But probably you go get title if
it's in a national park. So yeah, what year was that?
Thirty years ago?

Speaker 24 (37:41):
Do you said?

Speaker 22 (37:42):
Talk and time? Happy for thirty five years? For twenty
five years, and I've been up here for another twenty,
so about that far away here.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Nice to talk, Lizlie, Thanks so much. Just coming up
to news. People will continue to talk about this. I
find this quite interesting. Nine h seven greetings are welcome
on him as Marcus Hittle twelve o'clock tonight. We're talking
about the chateau and if you've got anything to say
about that, what would be a use for it? What
do you think could be something that could save it. Yeah,
I imagine hotels are incredibly expensive to run and once

(38:12):
you've got to restore it also, And it seems to
be a place that's perhaps not something that would appeal
to the modern high end tourist. I don't know, but
it felt quite airy and run down when I was there.
There'd be fifteen years ago, fourteen fifteen years ago. You
might have something to say about that would like to
hear from you. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty and
nine two nine to detext. I'm just for I thinking
about big old buildings that have been earthquake or big

(38:35):
old hotels that have managed to be saved. Now, I
don't know if I can think of one. Seems to
be motels to the sort of buildings that have forever
knocked down and rebuilt. I've never stayed at the at
White Tom. I'm not quite sure what the situation is there.
That's another one of the tourist hotel corporation ones, I think, so,
I'm not sure if that's one that's busy or it's
run down, or quite where that is. You might want

(38:55):
to comment on that, but your lines are free if
you want to talk about that. That's the discussion for
tonight so far. These other topics. Feel free to blood
those in Get in touch, oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty nine to known two de text. If you do
want to come through, be nice to hear from you.
And if there's something different do you want to talk about.
Just as I've said, I get in touch. I've got
a text, a lot of texts coming through. But yeah,

(39:16):
if you want to talk on this. It's quite interesting
the situation with Napier, although I guess with Napier too
they are individual, smaller buildings, so probably slightly more flexible
with use because really with the building that bag, the
only thing you can actually turn into probably would accommodation
or an English language school or a high end hospital rehab. Yeah,

(39:41):
I can't think of the other things that could be
used for. It's pretty much only something that involves people
living there and staying the night there, And I guess
that's pretty much hotels or hospitals or prisons. But I
think it'd be a fairy expensive prison to whin if
you're taking your prison staff all that way to work there.
That would be my thoughts there, Although of course there
are prisons. I presume there's still prisons there are there.

(40:03):
A lot of those prisons have closed, weren't There are
still prisons there in that part of the country. Not
quite sure why that happened, why they're there, what the
history of that was of they old hydro camps or something.
It might have been a good place to build them.
I don't fully know. There there was a Tearra prison two,
wasn't there. Don't know the background of that, but yes,

(40:24):
that's what we are talking about tonight. Eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty nine nine two to text. Yes, don't
know why prisons were built where prisons are built. So Ohura,
I mean not o Terra. You'll have realized that, won't you.
You don't know why they built that there. I don't
know if it was based day it was a minus

(40:44):
hostel converted to the president nineteen seventy two. That makes sense.
No Winter Olympic updates for you tonight, because it's the
middle of the night there, No, it's not. It's morning.
But yeah, it's a bit early for skiing. I think
ten past. Gosh, every time there's a story that the
medals are collapsing, we can't even make a meddle anymore.
Ten past nine, Shawn, it's Marcus good evening.

Speaker 12 (41:06):
I stayed in the Shadow nineteen fifty two in nineteen
sixty six, and I think that possibly a good use
for it now would be to make a conference center
out of it where you can attract big conferences. And

(41:32):
that would probably be a really good use because we
would full occupancy issues and create a purpose for being.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Yeah, I don't know enough about the modern workplace for
where people want to have conferences. They want them in
the big cities or the countryside. But you've got a
good point. You could take your business away there and
get away from the kind of the stress of it all.

Speaker 12 (41:56):
And there's the beauty of that kind of location. There's
no pressing distractions. Yes, you go there for the business
and hand and get it done.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
I think what happens with work conference you take people
off site. You know, there's all sorts of shenanigans at
the night time. I think that's what they want to
stay real clear of.

Speaker 12 (42:19):
Well, that can be taken care of too. In all,
somebody come in for an entertainment purpose.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
What was happening at nineteen fifty two? There was it
a psychiatric hospital. Was it back being a hotel when
you were there.

Speaker 12 (42:36):
It was a hotel?

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Oh yeah, any good, Yes.

Speaker 12 (42:40):
It was even back in nineteen sixty six. It was
still no real difference, but it was very much a
luxury place and a really good place to stay. And
that's I think the first time I stayed there, I
went for a long walk almost overturn. Now a hurry,

(43:06):
I've just got a little bit too dark. Tried to
turn me on to come back again.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Probably why I thinks you're nice to talk to you.
Thank you for that down as Marcus. Good evening.

Speaker 25 (43:15):
Oh hi, Marcus.

Speaker 26 (43:17):
Yeah, I can remember the shadow. When I was about five,
probably seventy odd years ago, we went there for our
Christmas lunch, and over a period of time from we
lived in tie Happy, over the period of time we
went to several things at the Chateau. Eightieth birthday my

(43:38):
good friend, we've had a class reunion up there for
Dundee lunch, yes, seventy fifth birthday. Just a wonderful place.
It's a shame to see that it's not.

Speaker 6 (43:52):
And carried it on and Dawn.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
That's what's the most telling for me. I've never known
a building that people have so much love for I
think it's probably the most loved building in this country,
because every time I talk about it, people have such
fond menas of it. And I don't know whether you
can turn that into survival. I don't know whether it's
because it's so fondly remembered that people will cut with

(44:14):
that out.

Speaker 7 (44:15):
Yeah, no, it is.

Speaker 6 (44:16):
It's magical.

Speaker 26 (44:17):
When you walked in way back, you know, seventy five
years ago, you could I remember people walking down the
big staircase. They must have been staying at the at
the chateau and they walked down to come for their lunch,
and it was just it was a fairy tale really,
and even sort of ten years ago or less than that,

(44:37):
it's still a magic place. It'd be a shame to
see it go to wreck and ruin, really, although.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
You wouldn't go and you wouldn't necessarily go there, would
you now?

Speaker 18 (44:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Have you been there lately?

Speaker 26 (44:48):
Oh no, not probably for five six years?

Speaker 27 (44:51):
Yeah, okay, I don't ski anymore, or I didn't skip it.

Speaker 18 (44:55):
My husband did.

Speaker 26 (44:56):
But yeah, but no, it'd be a shame to see
it closed down.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
But however, John, thank you, Marcus. Till midnight, what do
you got, you know, the rest eight hundred and eighty eight,
and it's Marcus, good.

Speaker 28 (45:07):
Evening, good evening, Marcus, the Chateau, Grand Place, and it
would be an awful shame if it wasn't preserved. We
were taken there as kids primary school agent and part
of our education, I think, and then in later years
went there with friends, had wonderful fun and on two

(45:30):
or three occasions went to New Year's Eve Ball. I
mean that's probably in the eighties. But last time we
went there it was awful because of the management. They
had foreign management there, which I'm sorry, but it wasn't good.
They had not a clue and it just was awful.

(45:52):
But the building itself is grand, and if someone with
a few clues were to take it over manage it properly,
would still be grand.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Yeah, although you'd need deep pockets, wouldn't you just sort
of you to build it back up because it's your
People aren't going to straight go back there, are they.
You've got to have to sort of encourage people to
get back there.

Speaker 28 (46:11):
You do. But if the management is correct, I think
the bones of the place are still there. Someone mentioned
the grand old staircase in that big window that looks
out to Narahoi and the dining room and things like that.
It just takes the right people managing it to make
it grand again.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
It is a fantastic location, oh absolutely.

Speaker 28 (46:32):
And there are other things to do. A little golf course.
I've played on that. I think it's only nine holes.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
It is nice the time it's.

Speaker 28 (46:39):
Covered in snow. But the whole place is worth saving
if you've got the right people running it.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yeah, And that's probably the question, isn't it, Because I
suppose the right people are probably busy running places in
big centers of population like Auckland or Queenstown where people
want to stay. So it does make it hard when
you're out of the way, Yes, but there.

Speaker 28 (46:58):
Are things to do in the wilds of r Cerney
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
I don't disagree, and thank you. Let's just take a
break and be back with you, So no lines free.
Two suggestions from the text doors. One wants to turn
into a casino. One wants it turned into a nuclear
power station. Brilliant. That's outside the square thinking, isn't it, Helen,
It's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 29 (47:23):
Yes. I haven't been to this place, but it seems
to me to be a perfect setting for a murder
mystery movie, sort of like Agasa Christie, sort of updated
a bes.

Speaker 7 (47:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Absolutely, you train them down, you put them there someone
to die over dinner, and you'd solve them. Yeah. Yeah,
that'd be a great thing to do.

Speaker 29 (47:40):
You've got all this fantastic landscape, you know, the forests
and the old World architecture and everything. I think that
they should do that, and maybe some of the proceeds
could go towards restoring it.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Yeah, although I think probably we're talking one hundred million
to restore it. It's going to be restored and modernized.
So you need to make a lot of money from
your Murder Mystery weekend, wouldn't you.

Speaker 29 (48:07):
I think this was potential that Peter Jackson or someone
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Peter Jackson's probably the best bet to buy it, actually,
though I think he likes his privacy.

Speaker 29 (48:17):
You could always give to Prince Charles. He likes that
sort of thing. Yeah, what we old buildings anyway?

Speaker 3 (48:24):
No, I think have you ever been Helen? Have you
ever been on a murder at Murder Mystery Weekend? No,
nor have I, but often talk about it. I think
they'd be quite good fun. But I've never been on one.

Speaker 29 (48:33):
Yes, okay, thanks Marcus.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Maybe I should organize one. I was organizing it. The
enjoyment wouldn't because I know who's going to get murdered,
and that's pretty much what the trait is. This is
a murder mystery, isn't it. I love that The new
British series. Very good, very good. Actually that's not the
one with Alan Carr. That's the one with people that
haven't got a profile on it. But yeah, very good.
Twenty one past nine, John, This is Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 30 (48:59):
Hi Marcus. I had a little storyo oya. If I
knew from Rada, he was a prison officer at White
Keney Prison just south of Bay Marino National Park, and
he told me that back in those days, the Justice
Department had the contract to pick up all the rubbish

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on that side of the mountain. And he said, seeing
he had the HT licenses and things, he got the
job and he would take the truck up there was
too low security prisoners and they would go up the
fucker Papa village and so they pick up from the
last pick up was behind the shadows, and after they'd

(49:44):
done that, they would knock on the back door and
his ship would open up and there'll be two full
breakfasts from the table for the men and the prison officer.
He was escorted through to the staff. Miss and the shadows.
Vers said what he told me.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
That's the way to get things start, doesn't it. I
mean that's free, good and no shortage of volunteers.

Speaker 30 (50:12):
Oh god, yeah, there'll be a third job that whenever
you're fanged.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Up with it.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
We'll see if we get confirmation. I've I've heard very
many similar stories, but thank you for that. Actually, not
too much. It's not a prison. You hear too much
about Waikunim just looking at the pictures of I don't
even know if that still exists, does it? Thanks where
they have drift events these days. Bear's Marcus.

Speaker 7 (50:33):
Welcome Marcus.

Speaker 12 (50:35):
Long time since I'm here waves. Nice to hear you're
still on there after all these years.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Yeah, nice to be here still after all these years.

Speaker 12 (50:41):
Isn't it?

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (50:43):
Well, my may long at.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Last, May long, may it last.

Speaker 12 (50:47):
Hey, I just got an idea, a shadow. How many
rooms in that place? Do you look?

Speaker 3 (50:52):
It was about ninety six, but then we're it was
ninety that but then when the THC took it over,
they upgraded it and reduced the number of rooms from
ninety to sixty four.

Speaker 12 (51:04):
Okay, hey, what are you reading about?

Speaker 16 (51:06):
To hang on?

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Hang on? But then in two thousand and five and
new five stree Wing was belt with forty more rooms,
so I guess it's about one hundred rooms now.

Speaker 18 (51:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (51:15):
Wow, yeah, I thought I thought it might. I thought
it might make a good commune.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Make a great commune. Would you mind? You with communes?
I like to grow their own stuff, don't they?

Speaker 12 (51:27):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (51:27):
And it wouldn't be good for gardening? Would that altitude
and issue growing? I don't know what would grow that well,
not at altitude, but you'd get frosts and snow, wouldn't you.

Speaker 12 (51:37):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
But I'm always bears, I'm always the starter for a commune.
I think they sound like a lot of fun. I
think it'd be a great idea.

Speaker 25 (51:44):
I'd join.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Twenty five past nine d on its Marcus.

Speaker 18 (51:47):
Welcome, Marcus, good evening. I think I first met you
and parmis the North. You were working for a local
radio station there and we're the sneaker rooms in the
owner was doing it like a marathon snooker event.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Do you remember that he fell asleep.

Speaker 18 (52:14):
Well, I think he ended up going to jail because
he spent the money and he needed to be raising
money to charity.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Hey, I wasn't working for a local radio station. I
think we did a TV story on the guy that
was breaking a world record, and we flew down, and
we flew down and he was asleep. So that was
our story gone. But it did seem to be a
Philly sifty pool room and a fairy sifty character. But
then I think had another go it. We came down again.
I think he failed the next time as well.

Speaker 18 (52:42):
Oh no, I didn't actually play him, but I lost.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
But what's the thing I got heard? What was his name?

Speaker 30 (52:49):
Break?

Speaker 3 (52:50):
What was his name?

Speaker 22 (52:50):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (52:52):
Oh, sorry, I can't remember what it's made, but you're
quite right.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
I had forgotten about it. And there'd be nineteen ninety.

Speaker 18 (52:57):
Four, yes, I think around that time.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Yeah, how many hours was he going for?

Speaker 7 (53:04):
It?

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Was it pool or snooker?

Speaker 18 (53:07):
Snooker?

Speaker 3 (53:08):
I try and.

Speaker 18 (53:10):
I played him in a game after about twenty four hours,
so he's half asleep, but he still beat me. He's
a good player. Get his name.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
But yeah, I'm trying to work out something because I've
never Yeah, because then we got stuck down. They had
to film a story but there was nothing happening, so
we had to do something else. But yeah, I can't
he was upstairs off the square, wasn't.

Speaker 18 (53:33):
That's right, he s upstairs. You know, I'm going now,
I think you know that.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
I was certainly there, Diane, you're certainly right. But I
don't think. I don't think I played him because he
was asleep.

Speaker 18 (53:47):
He's a good play he could have beat you probably had.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Oh yeah, I'm not I'm not a great player. Let's
just say that now.

Speaker 18 (53:53):
Ye Talking about the chateau, though, I went off my
family I think would have been about two thousand year
two thousand and father there and we had a couple
of the kids and we rented the couple booked a
couple of rooms, went upstairs. We stayed there for about

(54:15):
ten minutes, and my stepfather didn't want to stay there
because it had no on suites. I think that was
the problem problem. He thought it was too old and rundown.
So anyway, we ended up we ended up going to
our Kearney, staying in the wood wooden rodge there. It
was I think I don't know what the name of
the place was. But it's like a big wooden rodge hotel.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Oh like what like a log cabin pulled out a
giant logs.

Speaker 18 (54:42):
Yeah, it was like that. I don't know the number.
I'm sure it was an o a kearney and we
were going to go skating but it wasn't enough snow.
But anyway, we didn't last long at the chateau.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
But it sounds like it sounds like he's on a
short fugere a stepfather.

Speaker 18 (54:58):
Yes, but I think my mom one wanted to show
him what a great grand place it was. But I
think it was a bit run down and it had
no on sweets, and I think it's a bit piggy.
So we ended up going somewhere else, went to Coney
I think, stayed in this great wooden lodge and rented
a few rooms there and went up the mountain. But yeah,

(55:18):
it needs to say that the chateau needs to be
totally rebuilt. I mean if the rooms has got no
on switch and things like that, I mean it needs
a total rebuld, which is going to cost so much money.
So the next investors, I mean that they're looking too
if they want to invest in that in the chateau.
They're going to have to invest a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Yeah, and then if you're going to invest so much money,
why why I build something from scratch. I think you
and your stepfather stayed at the Powder Horn?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Is that right?

Speaker 18 (55:50):
Powder Horn?

Speaker 3 (55:51):
I think it's the logging place at Oconi.

Speaker 18 (55:53):
Maybe yeah, yeah, I'm not sure. I never got the name,
but so it could have been. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
It was a trip any snow, No.

Speaker 18 (56:03):
It wasn't any snow, so we didn't do much. Was
his sheet full stand in the hotel most of the time,
But anyway, it was a good trip. Did you hang
a lot on the shut out again? I hadn't seen
it in a long time, so it's good to see
it again. But yeah, I didn't mind standing it myself.
I would liked it, actually, but it's not up to me.

(56:25):
I wasn't paying.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
So did you spend a long time in snooker halls?

Speaker 18 (56:30):
I grew up at a snake hall in Longanui. My
grandfather had a figures room in Woganui. After the war
he opened the sneak Room in Monganui. It was I'm
not sure what was called then, but my father brought
him out later on.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
And he ran it.

Speaker 18 (56:51):
It was called it was down the alleyway off Victorias.
It was called Gaucho's, it was called the Pits. It
was called a few different names. My dad named it.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
The young on Festo by Stool, Thank you so much
that hit on it. My name is Marcus Welcome, and
no line's free. They'll be becoming it. We didn't get
the name of the guy that was doing the snooker record,
did we. I think I don't know if I don't
know if we're live with him by saying he went
to prison, But yeah, I don't know if he went

(57:26):
to prison. I've often thought wondered about that. I remember
I first came to write to the radio, and Vocable
was a guy cycling up the country raising money for something.
But I think a lot of those things people just
get the money and sort of drink their way up that. Yeah,
I've always been a bit sketchy of that anyway. Richard,
it's Marcus Welcome, Good evening.

Speaker 23 (57:44):
Kill, Marcus Killer. Richard made I work for the Tourist
Hotel Corporation back in ninety eighty Fuie, and it just
so happened we worked in a hotel just below the Shadow,
so we knew it quite well, and the staff from Chicana,
which is where I worked, would go up there quite often,

(58:05):
so we we knew the run of the place, we
knew how beautiful it was. But of course those are
years gone by Marcus, and unfortunately it's gone and lost
it's grandeur that it had. And to be perfectly honest,
back in nineteen eighty five, when the tourist hotel corporations

(58:26):
were running, there was a lot of tourism happening and
we were to have tourists buses nearly every day at
our hotel that I worked at. So to be able
to get back to those levels again, I don't think
it would be able to be sustained for the chateau,
and personally, I think it probably needs to be demolished

(58:49):
and something new put out there.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
You recall, you keep going, you keep going.

Speaker 24 (58:57):
Back in the day, the.

Speaker 23 (58:59):
Shadow had a reputation of being haunted as well back
when I was working down there, so we never got
to standard but we would certainly visit it for dinner,
and it was more of a fine owning experience, so
quite quite expensive, so we could only get up there
once a month.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Yeah, I think I think you've nailed at Richard when
you said there a lot, because it seemed as on
those days there were a lot of buses full of
kind of high end tourists during the New Zealand tour
weren't that was a big thing that seems to disappear
now big.

Speaker 23 (59:34):
Time, big time.

Speaker 13 (59:35):
Mate.

Speaker 23 (59:36):
The hotel that we that I worked and was busy
every day. If it wasn't with tourists, it was conferences
and things.

Speaker 15 (59:44):
Like that now.

Speaker 23 (59:46):
Also, Tacanu is just a shadow of its former south
as well, and unfortunately that's gone to Ruin.

Speaker 12 (59:53):
Which is a shame.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
Richard.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Where is that place you're talking about? Is that just
below the chateau.

Speaker 23 (59:59):
It's probably about a forty drive yeah, okay, towards the lake.
So with the THHC Corporation there was a lot of
hotels involved, and we had of course Waite Tom what
I heard you mentioned earlier, White Tonguey as well, Franz,
Joseph Ciano, the Remarkables Mount Cock. There was a lot.

(01:00:23):
So the tourism industry back then was huge, absolutely huge,
and I'm glad that I had the opportunity to work there.
And I'm still in hospitality, but my goodness, gracious, things
have changed since back then.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Is Tacano's still there? Is there still a hotel? There
is that gone? It's down there, but it's gone to ruin,
so it's abandoned, or it's still a thing, or it's
not even there.

Speaker 23 (01:00:50):
It's not a working entity. But I do believe someone
is to be honest, mean, I'm not quite sure that
last time I went through there, which is a shame,
because I mean, it's a quaint little village and there's
a beautiful hot course there as well, not just at
the hotel, but just up the road from a hotel

(01:01:10):
as well. And that was an interesting question that I
was going to pose to you whether you knew with
the thermal activity happening up at the chateau. Is there
activity there where they could have thermal four points?

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
I don't know that, because that seems to be a
draw card these days.

Speaker 20 (01:01:27):
A well.

Speaker 23 (01:01:29):
Look, the only reason why I ask is because I've
just spent the last month traveling down the South Island
and managed to check out hand the springs, which was
heaving in the middle of summer.

Speaker 11 (01:01:44):
It was it was busy as.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
We were there two weeks ago, and it's even though
it's council run, I shouldn't say, even though I am
on the council, but it's extreme. It's an extremely well
run place and they're always improving it and building new
stuff there, and.

Speaker 23 (01:02:00):
That's that's where I think the chateau in the area
lends itself to that. Whether or not they're able to
who was being conservation land, but I mean it was
a working entency back then, back in the day, so
you know, surely they might be able to come up
with something. It needs to be made to a destination
as well. Like you say, it's off the beaten track

(01:02:22):
and you've got to travel there, but you've got the
beautiful lake Topell just below it, and you've got the
fishing which was really big back in the day as well.
So I mean there are still fish around, but they
were to go and do that. They're still scaring up
on the mountain the summer. As I mentioned Hamley Springs,
it is usually a winter destination, but it was busy

(01:02:44):
as there, so I don't know, I don't know. I
honestly think that redevelopment needs to happen down there. What
they could possibly do is, yeah, repurpose some of the chateau.
I don't know, display something down there on what it
used to look like, recycling materials that from the actual chateau.

Speaker 20 (01:03:05):
So I don't know, Richard.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Just back to forty years ago when you were there
and the bus is where what nationality were my?

Speaker 18 (01:03:13):
Where?

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Where was our tourist? Where were our tourists? Were a
Japanese or where were the europe okay defination?

Speaker 23 (01:03:19):
Yeah, the Japanese, Chinese? And like I said, we sometimes
happened seven days a week. But the great thing about
tourism back in the day is that they would move
from one c eight to the hotel to the other,
and so everyone was benefiting from For this particular corporation
was benefiting from from tourism back then. And was Rosa

(01:03:41):
just up the road as well?

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Yeah, good point. Yeah that was he that was heaving
in those days. I don't know how busy it is now,
but certainly there seemed to be a cirga, didn't they.

Speaker 23 (01:03:50):
I look, mate, I'm just I live in Totenga, but
I traveled to the Polynesian polls at least twice or
three times a week because of the medicinal properties that
this thing has, and it was busy tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Great to hear. Love you to talk Richard, Thank you
so much to that. Twenty three to ten, it's twenty
to ten. Ron, it's Marcus.

Speaker 6 (01:04:09):
Welcome, is good evening.

Speaker 21 (01:04:12):
Ron speaking Hi.

Speaker 7 (01:04:14):
Ron.

Speaker 6 (01:04:15):
I we we threw an oster aircraft and landed on
the golf course at up there. That was about seventy
odd years ago when I was about twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Were where we're supposed to land?

Speaker 25 (01:04:33):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:04:34):
We nowhere ready? We just landed there. Happened to do it,
just to do a tour, and we landed there. We
only landed there and he stayed there for ten minutes
and then took off agains.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Was that we're the golf courses?

Speaker 6 (01:04:51):
Yeah, that's what that's what we landed on.

Speaker 5 (01:04:54):
Creepers.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Where'd you take it? Where'd you taken off from?

Speaker 21 (01:04:57):
Wronga taie?

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
Goodness?

Speaker 7 (01:05:00):
What was what was the.

Speaker 6 (01:05:03):
I was about twenty Yeah, I'm ninety on one now wow?

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
And were you piloting it?

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
No, Ernie warrets was only water where it was? I
was a passenger.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
And what was the plan for the day just to
go there for ten minutes?

Speaker 6 (01:05:22):
Well, we just went We just went up there to
and landed on the golf course and landed there and
then took off again.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Well, did you go in for a couple or something.

Speaker 6 (01:05:34):
No, no, no, We've gone on the ground for about
ten minutes, and then we took off.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
And I'm just looking at the oscar.

Speaker 18 (01:05:43):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
That's an open kind of a plane too, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:05:46):
Yes, yes, one.

Speaker 6 (01:05:50):
The oscar was tavered in.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
It wasn't okay, but just took but yeah, okay, I'm
just looking at it now. Two passengers, one behind the other.

Speaker 11 (01:05:57):
Is that right?

Speaker 6 (01:05:59):
Yeah, yeah, that's the one. Well you been back since No, no,
I'm ninety one now. Just takes me more time to
stay alive.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Brilliant. Nice to hear from you, Ron. You take care, Bob.
This is Market's good evening.

Speaker 21 (01:06:14):
Yeah, good evening, Marcus. Interesting conversations your previous guests that
spoke about the THC Corporation. And I was lucky enough
many years ago, back in the eighties when the THC
was working to stay at many of the hotels and

(01:06:35):
particularly the Chateau, and it was a wonderful, you know,
fine dining. I was lucky enough to have sponsors because
I used to spend a bit of time around the mountain.
I'm not a ski of not an instructor, but I
knew my way around the mountain, and i'd take people
up for day trips up top of Narajoei and things
like that. And I got put up at the chateau

(01:06:58):
and she was a great place.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
What do you mean you're a sponsor? Do you like
a guide?

Speaker 7 (01:07:02):
Bob?

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Is it what you were doing?

Speaker 21 (01:07:05):
A free guide? I did it for people who knew me,
just personal relatives and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Oh you understand, what for skiers or fishing, for climbing
or fishing or skiing or a bit of everything, just.

Speaker 21 (01:07:16):
For day trips. Just no, not in the bloody ski
This is in the summertime. Yes, and no, I wasn't
a ski or anything, but one of the things in
the shadow. It had a bloody wonderful swimming pool about
a thirty thirty three meter pool down right in the basement,
a hot pool. So you'd come out for day and
had been up to the Blue and Blue Lakes or

(01:07:38):
up the ru Nara Joe or something that you come
back and you'd go and have a real nice soap
right down in the basement. There was a wonderful place.
But regretfully and I'd been to all the THCs, turned
to Mount Cook and to Milford Sound, all the THC,
even to Carno, the guy that was talking before about
and I remember staying at the Cano. It had a

(01:07:59):
in the bathroom. It had a notice, do not wash
your leggings. We know you do not wear your waiters
in the bath.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
I mean for something. We're always taught that the government
was hopeless, but they seem to manage quite a successful
chain of hotels on the day, didn't they.

Speaker 21 (01:08:18):
I believe that the THC Corporation was a wonderful organization.
Sure it must have cost them money, but the hotels
were wonderfully will wonderfully run. They were beautifully situated. And
you know again down in Milford Sound and I've been
back there in three years later as a motor homer,

(01:08:39):
and they basically become backpacker hotels. I mean, I think
the Mount Cook is trying to regurgitate herself. But I
was there once and it was just a lot of
backpackers staying there.

Speaker 18 (01:08:52):
Yeah, yeah, okay, and it's sad really.

Speaker 21 (01:08:55):
But as for the Chateau, I believe that, well you
know that they say it's an earthquake risk. Well, it's
been all those years there and it has never falled down.
And let's face it, real paves in the middle of
a geothermal area and all the things that happened. But
you know, the cost to restore it to make it
a viable organization. I don't think we'll certainly government will

(01:09:18):
never put money into it. And I did hear some
guy wanted to do but because the e we have
an involvement, and they wanted to give them many a
five year lease. But some ways, come SA, I'll do something,
but I want one hundred and twenty year lease.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Was something about that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
No, But with the pool the hot pool, was that
heated by thermal bores or was that coal heated?

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Do you know?

Speaker 21 (01:09:41):
I'm sure I don't know, but I would say that
was thermal heated.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Okay, that's what I'm trying to get confirmation about because
someone asked if there was thermal activity there.

Speaker 21 (01:09:50):
Oh cool, I mean it's it's on a thing. I mean,
it's a volcanic mountain. There's a lot of stuff there
and hot pools and things. Yes, I'm sure it was
thermally heated.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Brilliant, Thanks Bob, I appreciate you. Ed business fourteen to
ten back soon twelve from ten Kesper. This is Marcus,
good evening.

Speaker 31 (01:10:11):
Good eating Marcus. Yeah, any Q sport, that's my go
to Tyrio Sullivan and the comicky Halls. I know I've
known him for a long time. Yeah, that's a mate.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Did he break his pool recorder?

Speaker 31 (01:10:25):
I'm not a sort of last centuries but I just yeah, look,
I went went to a Cup of New Zealand sneak
of tournaments with them in year. But yeah, he was
a funny sort of guy. Mates, I didn't really I know.
I think he's down south now, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Oh, maybe a'll ring up. So he didn't break the
record for playing for the longest length of time.

Speaker 31 (01:10:46):
No, I couldn't tell you, mate, Yeah, I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Did you frequent that pool hall yourself? The one in Palmerston, North?

Speaker 31 (01:10:52):
Oh, I've been half my life the Marcus I play.
I play a lot of Q sport, mate, really?

Speaker 10 (01:10:58):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Really?

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Does all the town still have a hall?

Speaker 31 (01:11:03):
No, I will tell you it was Fordham and pam
So North. He was the Deluxe of Dominion and the
region and one other. They're all shut so it was
the Deluxe Billig Rooms until he took it over and
then he renamed it mcconachie Hall Snooker as a dying
sports all around New Zealand most of the world apart
from Odra and England.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
What happened in those places like them? Did people play
for money? Is that what it was all about?

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Yes?

Speaker 31 (01:11:29):
Yes, I was a little bit of a shark up there. Yes,
well they used to. I used to be a marker
up there. Okay, so they used to play Elle's and
Kelly Paul all that sort of thing and yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah that which used to happen up there. Yeah, big
money games, big big money games.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
So it be the classic thing with people were coming
from out of town and make out they were real
good and they'd kind of hustle it and do that.

Speaker 31 (01:11:52):
Ah, they tried too, but everyone knew everyone Marcus, so yeah,
we knew who was good and who wasn't. We had
a we we had a player in Palms North and
he is my age Dino Caine wanted to take him
to England and he's still around playing Q sport, so

(01:12:16):
there was no like year. So he used to get guys.
I thought they were good, but they just match up
and played one thousand dollars a game. I used to
hold all the money. There was no game until I
had the money thousand from each play, if you know
what I mean. Wow, Yeah, a lot of money went
through those those probable rooms back in those days. But
it's all gone now, Marcus.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Why is it all gone?

Speaker 31 (01:12:37):
It's a dying sports nooka. There's Paul was all a
rage now. Every every week now throughout New Zealand there
as a pool tournament in the Lower North Island or
the Upper North Island. And you don't play for bots
and pens no more. Back in the old days, you're
playing for microwaves and stereos. That's all gone. But it's
all cash now, mate.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
And why is Paul? I mean, why do people prefer
you prefer to who could have pulled or you? Was
that right?

Speaker 12 (01:13:05):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:13:05):
No, no no.

Speaker 31 (01:13:06):
I started off playing snook when I was very very young.
So I went from snooker to playing Paul Paul because
Paul is the money game. Why you're playing yeah, oh yeah,
you're playing for quite a bit of money when you
can go there and win tournaments. We've got one that
sim We've got one in party this weekend. I'm actually
playing and.

Speaker 27 (01:13:25):
Okay, yeah, yeah, will you go?

Speaker 25 (01:13:29):
Will you go?

Speaker 18 (01:13:29):
All right?

Speaker 31 (01:13:30):
Okay, yeah, I guess I don't spend too much time
at the table because of work commitments. Yeah, and it's
a peer's tourlaments. I'm playing with one of my good mates,
so yeah, we might.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Be all right.

Speaker 31 (01:13:42):
I've got to go away later in the year to
defend the national title I won last year, in which
co and Paul Yes, yes, yeah, wow, yeah, yeah, I
go all right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Yeah nice, clearly yeah, clearly. Oh well yeah, I'm excited
about that. Kisprophilo. I've been. I've touched with fame tonight.
I've got to run for commercials. But thank you. Very
enjoyable hide away from ten six from ten, Hello Marie,
this is Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
Oh hello Marcus. I've got two things now to talk about.
In January, my husband and I we stayed at the
tacarn Our Hotel on our way home from.

Speaker 12 (01:14:26):
I Hope.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
We came back and had a break there before we
came back to Wellington, and it is something unbelievable to stay.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
There in a good way.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
In a good way, it was all nice and clean,
comfy bed or what you needed, and but what made
it was it had a huge therm or swimming pool,
and that's what would attract people to go and stay there.
We think when we stayed there, there must might have
only been a couple of other people staying there. Was

(01:15:02):
quite eerie in that sense, but we went there to
stay because it was close to the thermal pools and
that's what we wanted to do.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
I was going to stay there because we had to
break our trip down. We stayed at Hercony, but I
think probably Takane would have been better for us because
it wud have a ghost town. We ended up staying
in a harcony. But that looks great.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
Well, there's nothing there. There's two. I think there's a
motel lodge kind of place in this hotel. But you
have to have your eyes open because we drove past
it three times before we found it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Oh wow. Okay, And as you say, hard anyone staying
there is that? Right?

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
Yeah, No, there was anybody staying there. There was no
reception or anything. I've got a text to say your
room is such and such another. This is a code
of punching.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
That feels.

Speaker 7 (01:15:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
But anyhow, we enjoyed it. But there's just one other
thing gentlemen before me was talking about snooker and Paul. Yes, well,
going back seventy years Manasata, there was one of the
head reference in New Zealand for snooker and billiards.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
And what was his name that people might remember.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
That Phil Davies and and he traveled. They traveled all
around New Zealand and my mother always traveled with them,
and she thought she had been watching this for many,
many years. So she became the first woman referee, although

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albeit it was just for c grade and she could
do sort of the local little ones at the RSA.
And that she was the first woman together a snooker.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Oh, for goodness sake, Marie, thank you so much. Well,
that's a whole other topic, there, isn't it. The pool
halls and snooker. Always struggle to remember which is which.
But obviously Paul is going to be the more easy ones.
That's when they plan pubs, isn't it, because it's more straightforward.
I guess that would be the situation, wouldn't it. I've
never played snooker in a pub. I don't think it
doesn't work that way. I don't think with the scoring anyway.

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Back after the break halftime stretch. Yeah, yeah, we are
talking the chateau and possible uses. We're also talking pool
hauls or billiard halls or snooker holes. But of it
all tonight standing room onely Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty and nine two nine two de text. If
you've been trying to get through, good but more lines

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will be becoming available, A vailure available. So yeah, that's
a that's something you might want to bear in mind.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two nine two
de text breaking news when it happens, and I can
promise you'll be some of that tonight. Someone to know
if we can bring back LPG operated utes. It's a

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good point. Peter, this is Marcus. Good evening.

Speaker 8 (01:17:54):
Hey, yeah mate, I'm going to ring you from Australia.
I've actually rived New zeal One.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Oh welcome home.

Speaker 8 (01:18:01):
No, I'm gone, I'm not home, so I'm gone back
to Australia. Imber, I was talking about a week gave about.

Speaker 10 (01:18:08):
Pool Cure Park.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
What were you saying about it?

Speaker 12 (01:18:10):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:18:11):
I so enjoyed it. So I went back to the
lay and going to feed it off tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
You went back to.

Speaker 8 (01:18:16):
Pook cure parking in Plymouth. Yeah, remember that week go
to Neil.

Speaker 10 (01:18:21):
I'm sure as you No, I don't think it is.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
I don't think it was to me. I think you
might have.

Speaker 19 (01:18:26):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 8 (01:18:26):
Then sneaker Halls when I was fourteen year old in
city an all boat got well I'm old now, so
will say seven year old. He was teaching me how
to play snooker when I was about twelve or fourteen
men and I made my school. Then I had a
game with the snook snooker and beards, three and a

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half hour game. Memory, all right, So that's how long
games of snooker and beers can take. Then we went
down to local pilot or the games pilot or eight
brill what do you call it, and me and make
cleaning up to ten backs around. That's a think it
was more skillful than eightball. Sure they'll tell you're learning

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how to play.

Speaker 24 (01:19:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:19:13):
When you talk about tourism forty years ago, we went
to road a ruh forty years ago you had to
marry hut. I think it's called them days. You only
had one. We went down a couple of years ago
and you had about twenty of them money. But forty
years ago he called taxi Kevin Kings would hold them
and made there's a nightmare in my life coming home

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with the camera and Park would have stayed your father
in law time and mate, yeah no me. He just
had hold him at the bar on the back and
made rode a ruin. All that made all change. Now
I'm in your planets now and made even your plans
change every time coming. I've been coming to forty five years.
I've told you four.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
Peter, I'm going to let you go, okay, because yeah,
I just I'm not picking up your vibe. Sorry, you
might be for us tonight, but yeah, it's just a
bit you're just a bit scartered. Sorry, but I found
it triggering. But that's all right. Yeah, But anyway, onwards
and upwards eight hundred and eighty to nine nine, I
will get to some text of Mindful. They haven't read

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many of those, but I will get to them. Yep, Michael,
this is Marcus.

Speaker 11 (01:20:19):
Welcome Michael mal quinn.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
Uh, yeah, it's Marcus here, Michael. Good evening, Yeah, good.

Speaker 11 (01:20:29):
Leaving, Marcus. I haven't spoken to you Shadows. I happen
to have been there in nineteen eighty five, was a
conference company called tax based in Thomas. Yeah, yep, right,

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and I just joined them and we had a conference
for the Ends team at them.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:21:09):
And it snowed about two to three days. Holden had
four dead brand new vehicles parked in the car park
and the little frost plugs all froze out of the block.

Speaker 9 (01:21:30):
Good.

Speaker 11 (01:21:31):
Yeah, so we're learning to anyway. The Shadow is a
beautiful hotel. I was reminded when I got into a
list in Panang in Malaysia and I looked at the
froth of the Shadow. I didn't get it, and behold,

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this company, which I had frequented many times.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Is a.

Speaker 11 (01:22:05):
Beautiful motel hotel going on bashing beach.

Speaker 16 (01:22:10):
What beach bashuh?

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
And yeah, okay, I'm going to leave it there, Michael, Sorry,
it's juste yeah, just so that with the background noise
and stuff like that, I'm actually not getting normal transmission.
But that's all right. Eight hundred and eighty eight and nine.
We are talking about the chateau and Snooker of all
things or Paul and what possible use is they might

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be for the chateau, although I think probably as someone
has emailed, which I think is probably important information from Paul.
The chateau is in the Tonganido National Park. The park
is part of the upcoming Treadle settlement between the Crown
and Naughty two Foi Tower, likely in the next five
to ten years, once the land has returned to ew
with the future of the Shadow is unknown, So that's

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probably a fairly important bit of information too. But yeah,
also talk about buildings that are restore But yeah, I
guess it's the situation too with those thg's the one
Milford Sound, the building there which seems to be an
anacronism in the middle of a national park, and also
the one at Mount Cook and you do wonder what

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future there is for them when I presume the desire
is to return the national parks too, been parks as
opposed to having that commercial activity. But if you want
to talk, that's the plan. Fourteen past ten. By the way,
in the cricket the T twenty World Cup, the UAE
have won the toss of optor back first. They are
playing New Zealand. Well I watched that. How did it take?

Speaker 13 (01:23:38):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
Maybe I will Laurie. This is Marcus. Good evening, Hi Marcus.

Speaker 7 (01:23:43):
Yeah, I think friend Joseph. They were on the THC too,
woren't they, friend Joseph.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
I'm sure. I'm sure they both had one, and that
guy was quite right. There's a circuit people got on
the buses and did a lot of them.

Speaker 7 (01:23:53):
Yeah, oh yeah, And the government tourist bureaus sort of
pump towards stuff through in those days.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
They seem to do it well. They seem to get
them coming from China and their drives, busloads of them
going in Japan and going from place to play. Booked
out every night.

Speaker 7 (01:24:07):
They had a whole series of fires round A number
of their big places didn't at different times. Even I
think the original Hermitage Cook I think that might have
been one that burnt down, and it might have been.

Speaker 11 (01:24:20):
A couple of the others too.

Speaker 7 (01:24:22):
That subtle difference. When you're talking about pool and snooker,
there's always places known as billiard parlors as well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
It's weird, isn't it. I've never ever seen anyone play billiards.
I don't even know if Billiardsaire's pockets does it.

Speaker 7 (01:24:38):
Yeah, they played on remember, went to well in christ
I mean they used to be known as a bit
of a dens of iniquity. Yeah, yeah, and there was
one up the Manchester Street and christ that I remember
going out there when I was a teenager and a
lot of people just playing or learning to play snooker
and stuff. But the old legs seem to play a
game sort of billiards, and that's where the real serious

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stuff went on. They had little balls in the little
symbols suck in the middle of the table as well.
But yeah, pool was virtually unknown at that stage. But yeah,
a lot of other business went on in those places
other than you know, the the Q ball games.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
Yeah, there's always there's always been need for places for
me to hang out. That's a bit of a revival.
In the nineties there were Paul I don't even Denokaine
himself was involved with restarting up pool halls in this country,
but I presume that I don't know if there's many
of them anymore. I think they might have fallen from
favor again.

Speaker 7 (01:25:35):
Yeah, those guys around Pami. I think a lot of
the you know, the full sized tables. I think the
Cozzi Club has been the last sort of residual place
for this number of those, and I think there's quite
a lot of devotees operate from there. The RSAs have
quite a few and they I think that's it. It

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went down the Googler. But you know those big full
sized slate things at tables were so yeah, may give
us some things to play on.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
I think we all know. The Kazik clubs themselves are
probably in trouble too, which is probably not helping the
Q sports.

Speaker 7 (01:26:11):
I think, yeah, yeah, Cozies and Kami seems to have
amalgamated with bowls and a couple of other things. It
seems to be pretty a little life left in it.
But just touching back on the on the chateau and
when you said you're up there recently, did you go
around that site at all? Or you just stay over

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on the on the Oracuni side.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
We were just driving through. Really we had to get
a ferry the next morning. Let me think what we
had to do. Yeah, we had we got to What
happened for us is that the situation. You book ferries
and then there was the Blue Bridge trouble, so it
was limited. It was limited. We kept trying to move
forward our ferry bookings, which you got to get on

(01:26:55):
the website. But look we did get we did have
to move forward, and then we had about a hour
to to spend, which we and that's where we spent
a very pleasant couple of hours at Foxton, which was tremendous.

Speaker 7 (01:27:05):
Yeah, I mean, are you talking to Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Was just to break the juny really.

Speaker 7 (01:27:11):
But one of the well the newest attractions on the
Shadow Side is the got what they called the Skywalker yep.

Speaker 15 (01:27:18):
I hear it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
I hear it advertised often gondola.

Speaker 7 (01:27:21):
Yeah, And I hadn't noticed that there's another one when
you come and google Earth. There there on the road
from the Shadow down to where the junction with State
Highway forty seven that we're done, below the golf course
is what the corks tah Wai falls. But there's a
pool where and it's listed as Gollum's Pool and it's

(01:27:42):
it's got a tourist trek intos. I'm wondering if Lord
of Lord of the Rings was filmed here.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
I imagined to I certainly would have been filmed there,
wouldn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:27:53):
It's got a four point seventh number of stars, you know,
on a as a tourist attraction. Yeah, so that that
that drags and people, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
But the I reckon, I reckon, have to be an
idiot to be a Lord of the Rings tourists. Well,
I mean, what would be the point of that? What
really honestly, you know, you'd want to find your own
wonder yourself rather just go, oh, yeah, that's where they
I find that a strange kind of a thing, that
Lord of the Rings tourism.

Speaker 7 (01:28:20):
Yeah, but there's a market for them, especially up at
the you know, the main base up at.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
Mat Yeah, that's that's a license to prints, print money.
I always feel sorry because they filmed that Tom Cruise movie,
The Last Samurai, and they and they set up a
Last Samurai place for an experience to go and sort
of see where the movie was filmed. But the movie
was such a dud that kind of lasted a year
or two and was gone.

Speaker 7 (01:28:47):
It was a lot bit done in turnik He was, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 15 (01:28:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
I don't I don't know the movie. I don't know
if the movie was forgettable or quite what happened. But yeah,
I don't think it had any tourists spin offs really, but.

Speaker 7 (01:28:59):
They just we did quite a bit of surveying in
the eighties and early nineties around the Shadow and all
the other the properties around at the stage when the
government was divesting itself of a lot of land or
wanting to lease stuff out, and before they could lease
buildings like the Shadow, they used to have to be

(01:29:21):
a proper survey, the pegs put in and then so
that it could be gazetted as a separate property. So
I think being able to operate in a national park,
you know, it's not too big in a shoe, so
long as you can just get them to somebody to
agree the lease and and casette through the I mean,

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I think the hotels still operate up there all right too,
isn't it. That's further up from the shadow yestels? Yeah,
and I think, yeah, Well there was quite a big
significant staff quarters around there. Two I mean were worked
with quite a while. We'd stay in the in the
motor camp camp and then and we knock on the

(01:30:06):
back door of the Shadow and need our meals and
the the kitchen that never got down to the swimming pool.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Well, I mean they gave you a free meal, did they, Larry.

Speaker 7 (01:30:18):
No, No, it was a deal because we were actually
up there working on network. A lot of stuff I
was doing. We were working right up on what's called
Ewercow Village up the top of the Bruce as well.
But they had to actually before they I think they
had to had to make it a legal road up
from the Shadow up to the top of the bruce
for a number of reasons for using and or leasing

(01:30:40):
out stuff as well, So there was it was quite
a phase metal work done there.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
We'll keep talking about Laurie. Thanks so much. Fore most
memories or theories about the Shadow that would be good
to hear from. You keep those ticks coming through to
eight hundred if you're trying to get through these lines
now they're free. Just starting the Anthance and the crick
if you want to go watch Des. It's Marcus. Good
evening and.

Speaker 27 (01:31:02):
Welcome I Des, Hello, Marcus, how are you good?

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
Thank you? How's you said?

Speaker 20 (01:31:06):
All right?

Speaker 10 (01:31:07):
Yep?

Speaker 27 (01:31:08):
I played snooker in Canterbury for over forty years and
the first place I played at was above Butterfields in
High Street. I never known a one in Manchester Street
that the man said earlier. And then there was one
above Cinerama Picture Theater in Worcester Street, and then there

(01:31:30):
was one in Sydenham which I personally know the owner
of it. And I still talked to him today and.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
He's eighty five.

Speaker 5 (01:31:37):
Wow.

Speaker 27 (01:31:39):
And I played practice for Dino Kane before he went
to England. And I also played Edsy Charlton twice on
a pool table which wasn't my game, and beat him twice.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Where was that? Where was that?

Speaker 27 (01:31:55):
And one was in christ Church, South City? More than
it was on three B.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Yeah, okay, I think I remember him touring.

Speaker 27 (01:32:04):
Yeah, and you pay two dollars to challenge them. And
I challenged them and beat them, walk around the shop
for about half an hour, three quarters an hour and
went back to him and said, I'll give you a
chance to get square and beat them again.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
Did you have a table at home?

Speaker 27 (01:32:21):
Des Nope, I had the odd friend with one at home.

Speaker 15 (01:32:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
Often. You spend a lot of your time at pool
Hall's Did you playing there often?

Speaker 15 (01:32:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 27 (01:32:33):
Yeah, I paid. I was apprenticed And when I first went,
I was sixteen and you had to be eighteen. And
the priest used to come in the door and the
owner would give you the knot. And they had a
big stairway down the back about forty steps and out
to the back street. I went out the door and

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hid behind the door. The police opened the door and
I heard them say that little bagger was quick and
I'm right behind the door.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Why were they licensed premises? Why were they why did
they have an age limit on them?

Speaker 7 (01:33:08):
I'm not quite sure, no, nor am I.

Speaker 27 (01:33:10):
Yeah, there was quite a bit of money playing in there.
I was a printer shoemaker and I used to make
more money paying snooker and I did for my wages.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Wow, so everyone that was most people were playing for stakes?

Speaker 15 (01:33:24):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
No?

Speaker 27 (01:33:26):
Not really, People are just going for a game. Three
Me and two mates started at the same time, and
after about three months it was obviously I was getting
better than the him and I took a good like
into the game.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
And when you're into those do you just stick to
one game or do you didn't care what you were playing,
whether it be pool or billiards or snooker, would you
play them all over?

Speaker 27 (01:33:47):
I played mostly snooker on the big tables. I did
play pool for the West Coast for a short time,
and I paid for Canterbury against Wellington and Canterbury against Otago.

Speaker 24 (01:34:02):
God.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
So there's always professional there's always organized leagues and things
you'd play right.

Speaker 27 (01:34:08):
The Workmen's Club that I belonged to was Shirley and
they also had they had the club championships and into
club snooker and billiards.

Speaker 18 (01:34:20):
But the majority of.

Speaker 27 (01:34:22):
Them are closed and I don't think that goes on anymore.
I'm coming up seventy nine and I haven't played now
for around about twenty years.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Oh wow, because there's no because there's no more tables.

Speaker 20 (01:34:36):
No.

Speaker 27 (01:34:38):
Since I retired, I've gone back to surfcasting and fishing
and I'm still doing that today.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
Probably better for you, actually dies out from the passive
Styes work, yep, are you catching mate?

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
I last you.

Speaker 27 (01:34:50):
I had a great year this year. I've been out
four times for two fish that it was fifteen times
for eighteen rig.

Speaker 8 (01:34:59):
And I missed once.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
You need a drone?

Speaker 27 (01:35:03):
Yeah, I only got. We're house surscasses.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Oh well look at you.

Speaker 6 (01:35:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
Nice to hear from your DearS. I've enjoyed that. Thank you.
Keep it going. People here till twelve o'clock tonight. If
you're watch the twenty twenty years in, it's playing the
UA United Arab Emirates. Would they be any good? Who knows?
Might be not? The expats are and the team that
have moved there for work. I don't know if that's
the case. I don't know much about their cricket team.
It might be mainly people from the subcond that might

(01:35:33):
be full of Pakistanian Indian players. But I will have
it of a look at that. But that could be
interesting UAE cricket. Know nothing about it. I shall look
that up. But be in touch if you want to
be on air. That's the plans. Stand talking about billiards
in pool always in those Ronald hu Morrison books too.

(01:35:56):
Was it in Stratton hardware? There was always the pool
halls and things. That's sort of a where it all
happened in those small towns. Not quite sure how the
money flowed. It was a good way to make mone
but anyway, good evening print. This is Marcus.

Speaker 11 (01:36:09):
Welcome, Yeah, welcome Marcus.

Speaker 32 (01:36:12):
So mate, I'm just backing your previous career of about
slinger yep. When I was the third former, right, it
took a whole term of me and my mate used
to join to tend to Warrington from where on the
twelve by six yep, the man's table Marcus.

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
So they really, they really, they really were the places
for lost youth.

Speaker 32 (01:36:33):
Right, I wouldn't say that but an ambitiss youth.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
To work out for your Brent, oh mate, wouldn't.

Speaker 32 (01:36:43):
Have missed it for the world markets. You're all laugh now.

Speaker 6 (01:36:47):
Right, yeah the Corge.

Speaker 32 (01:36:49):
I was that for a corge.

Speaker 10 (01:36:51):
Yep.

Speaker 32 (01:36:52):
They to send you home with three monthly term reports.

Speaker 18 (01:36:56):
Right yep.

Speaker 32 (01:36:57):
For the first term, I had ninety crosses at only
one pick the month says what's the noidy courses in
the one pack? What's his mom? The noidy courses with
the days all was here and the one they always missed.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
Good on your friend, thanks for that. Twenty eight to
eleven slucas the topic and the chateau and yeah, I
got it. Yeah, I don't know if they if if
they're busy in the daytime of nighttimes, we aren't quite
intrigued by the pool halls of old, but you have
something to say about that, And yeah, this is the
show to get on with. Eight hundred and eighty ten

(01:37:39):
eighty kept those texts coming through Marcus above Robbie Burns
next to the Basin Reserve in Wellington. I spent most
of much of my youth playing Stupor and Paul largest
pool hall around and sadly missed Marcus, great memories of
the Shadow. When over there skiing one week in the eighties,
rang up to ask for any jobs. Dishwashing started, immediately,

(01:38:00):
learned to ski better during the three months stay staff
living quarters behind, great social time, live bands at the weekend,
great people. A shamed to see it empty nowadays. I
hope it can be renovated and brought back to life. Robbie,
you plymouth. Someone else says, Lord of the Rings tourism
is so embarrassingly gret cringe. Yeah, I agree, but oh well,

(01:38:20):
each to their own. It's weird to go and see
something because it was in a movie. That's what I think.
But I haven't seen the Lord of the Rings movies.
They're not really my thing. Not so much into that
fantasy stuff. Marcus, your guest, and explain why Paul is
more popular now. Snooker is too hard a game to learn,
Steve Davis said of snooker was easy, they would call

(01:38:41):
it Paul. Hi, Marcus. The swimming pool on the base
with the Shadow still exists, right up until it closed.
I swam in it several times during separate visits just
a few years ago. One of those bucket trip list experiences.
Thanks for a great radio show. Raylen, Hello, there are
good quality night skies for astronomy just a short distance
from the chateau. There is some potential for astro tourism

(01:39:02):
at this location. Allan, I reckon astros as a dud.
I don't reckon people want to go on astro tourism.
Proved me wrong. I said, like Jose Monkey, I don't
think you will. Twenty six to eleven, Robin ats Marcus,
good evening.

Speaker 15 (01:39:18):
Hello, it's not Robins Norman?

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Oh good, I no call you Norman. How does that sound?

Speaker 15 (01:39:23):
Oh that sounds good.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
That's your name, hall A Marcus.

Speaker 15 (01:39:28):
You had a chapter of flying in an ostery. I
did about twelve hours and a roster. I've known about
three fours now, but I've known about twelve hours in
an roster. Has a great little British airplane?

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
What year we talking? Norman?

Speaker 15 (01:39:42):
Probably? I want to fly in sixty, sixty, fifteen, fifty eight,
and I got my license in fifty nine. At seventeen,
I was Young's licensed pilot in New Zealand for about
two days.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
Where did you learn? Where did you learn to fly? Norman?
Where was it?

Speaker 15 (01:40:02):
Marlboro Airclub? I Marca, I was in the Air Force
at the time. Boys from school. The boy entered, you
joined when you're sixteen and you're a half a year
and a half and learning out to shoot rivals and
fixed aeroplanes and things like that. But I go and
I went solo and two three and a half hours

(01:40:23):
and a pilate cup and I got my pilot license
of forty hours d days. It's over for fifty hours.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
And then did that become your career where you're a
commercial flyer pilot after the Air Force?

Speaker 15 (01:40:38):
Yeares no. I was in the Air Force as an engineer.
I went and saw the bus and I said, look,
I'd like to remaster to air crew. It says, I'll
go a license. I'm only said seventeen. He said, well,
he said, we do that. But yeah, you havn't got
school suit, so you had luck and I have what

(01:41:00):
the when I got my license in the structure, I said,
fine as a bit of paper and we'll give you
you made half your money back again as well as
you're flying for the Air Force and in case of
Cold War broke out, so that that was quite handy.
I was getting. I was getting two and a half
thousand dollars back for these days.

Speaker 10 (01:41:18):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
So then what did then? What did you do? Did
you become a pilot?

Speaker 15 (01:41:24):
Yes, I kept wife flying and I got a commercial
pilot at Papers. I had married and had three children,
so I didn't fly much. But after after that I
got my commercial license and a flying instructor's license, so
I was often too a bit of flying instructing and
VFR charter and things like that. I ended up in

(01:41:46):
the the war birds doing flying for the war birds.
The schids were up in airline pilots were in to
fly a Air Force aircraft?

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
Oh yeah, how long were how how long were the
oscars around?

Speaker 24 (01:41:59):
For?

Speaker 21 (01:42:00):
Well?

Speaker 15 (01:42:02):
The Miami had one or two I believe around there
were War two aircraft and wore Seeker. And I did
my first commercial flight when I was saw sixteen. He
took to two persons over to Wellington and the constructors

(01:42:23):
said could you fly at the and fly back? I
just said and watched the air. So the two people
weren't two people? Are two dogs going to his dog show?

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
What's the dog? What sort of dogs?

Speaker 14 (01:42:36):
No?

Speaker 15 (01:42:36):
I think I quote good, big dog with average or
or something like that. And the woman actually who was
the owner flew by nac over to Wearrington. Didn't a
lot of small aircraft anyway. We flew in the aircraft
and the dog looked out the window and finally got

(01:42:58):
the case of Brillham. I went to sleep. I didn't
wake up again until we touchdown in Wellington. Goodness, surprise,
excellent passengers.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
I mentioned, when was the last time you flo? How
long since you flower? Norman?

Speaker 15 (01:43:14):
I gave it up when I was seventy five or
only eightly four? Now coming only five and I couldn't
pass the miracles anymore. Otherwise no problem. But yeah, I'm
flying for the war birds and somewhere else so called students.
We call the students where Eline passed at. Maybe it's

(01:43:35):
fifteen sixteen thousand hours, but the interply light aircraft. But
not the same things flying an airline, that's for sure, I.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
Can I mentioned, Norman. Nice to hear from you. Thank
you so much for that. Twenty one away from eleven
eighty eighty cricket. I'll get the cricket on for s
balls happened? Should have asked why he thought a bad bunny?
What channel?

Speaker 24 (01:44:01):
Dan?

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
Dan tells me the channel to go to. I've got
a remote, I need to change quite close T twenty
U Zeland versus U A.

Speaker 21 (01:44:10):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
It says on Wikipedia that the workforce from Indian Bangladesian
Pakistan have revolutionized cricket and U as they might be
quite good. No one there, of course, empty hold your horses,
people twenty away from eleven eighteen to eleven Good evening, Breadth.
This is Marcus.

Speaker 10 (01:44:29):
Welcome, Good evening, Marcus the shadow. We got picked up
one late afternoon on the sucher recuse mentioned by the helicopter.
I think it landed on the green was sally close
to the building because I member then far to walk.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
Were you the searcher or the rescued.

Speaker 10 (01:44:49):
Wye number one searcher? Yeah, well one of the trick
one of the trakers. O y, my left end mate
and the girl with the dog and we go unfair
me door with tracking. But what I'm want to say
is what you.

Speaker 11 (01:45:06):
What what year?

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
We talked a while ago?

Speaker 11 (01:45:09):
Ten years?

Speaker 10 (01:45:10):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's time we did fire practice up
there and we were in the fire brigade the road
behind the sheriff Errey coach to a motel and down
they had saunas mid gear up in here level twos
on walking and level trees, and we be hasted on
sitting the sawner for he along the bottle glass.

Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
Hell would it last?

Speaker 10 (01:45:35):
Oh, especially an hour and a half. Most of us
were fifty minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
I thought you would have. I thought you would have
gone an hour.

Speaker 10 (01:45:46):
I think the young woman did a lot, lot, lot
better than the boys.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
Really smaller, smaller lanes in the year. That's interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:45:55):
Yeah, Doug Lamson, you're trying to brew so sweating. It
would have been forty five degrees. Can't remember the search
what we were looking for, but the two hanging boys
were there. They do the mountain and we do down
on the bottom of these no snow.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
If you've got helicopters, if you've got helicoptered out, it
must have been successful, was it.

Speaker 10 (01:46:22):
You said, No, the past of them end up drowning.

Speaker 11 (01:46:25):
Here.

Speaker 10 (01:46:25):
They're crossing rivers.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
Yeah, And there's a few rivers coming off that mountain too,
aren't there.

Speaker 10 (01:46:32):
Oh you're down from one movie around yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
Yeah, So where are the saunas around the back of it?
You said, I did, there's.

Speaker 10 (01:46:42):
Up there's a road behind it, and you go to
the inn near the motib or something. Oh, yeah, and
they got sawnas and spaples and we used to go
need a train.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
Yeah. I don't know that part of it. I don't
know that part at all. Well, it kind of fascinates me,
but but I haven't just spend the night at the Shadow,
but not really anywhere else up there, but it sort
of yeah it Cidy. Haven't been up there in the winter,
which I'm really keen to get up there.

Speaker 10 (01:47:04):
I did two trips for you might not be to
tell those the few the tanker was absolut really you
haven't leaders at the I lit the bonnet and sure
not doing this from the thought a good start.

Speaker 3 (01:47:21):
Yeah, oh you must be the Sky hotel that's got
the old the hot poles or whatever.

Speaker 10 (01:47:28):
It's down familiar Schell.

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
Were you in the were you in the local brigade?

Speaker 11 (01:47:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:47:35):
Where was that based?

Speaker 10 (01:47:36):
Definitely?

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
Oh you understand copy?

Speaker 7 (01:47:40):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
We are now?

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
Yes?

Speaker 18 (01:47:43):
He retired.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
M please just stayed with you. Please. You didn't haven't
gone ahead to the sea for your time, and that's
because you're keeping it local. Yes, yeah, walking the dog.

Speaker 10 (01:47:55):
Yes, we're going to sea. Here me traffic next week,
reach out to me Degent Road so we'll all the tracks.

Speaker 3 (01:48:03):
Are you don't they recycled there? Seen that when I
came through about three weeks ago that Yeah, No, it
was actually south of it was south of way that
they were doing it. But it seems it seems to
be a lot of road works going on. Yeah, you
got any view? You've got any view on the chateau.

Speaker 10 (01:48:24):
Well, I think it should be restored or something. It's
a beautiful place.

Speaker 11 (01:48:29):
There's no, there's no.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
There's no shortage of old building, beautiful old buildings, so
was there. It's just about finding a use for them. Yeah,
got to run anyway, Brett, nice to talk, Thank you
for that. Fourteen to eleven T Shinder It's Marcus. Welcome
and good evening.

Speaker 24 (01:48:45):
Yeah, good evening, Marcus. How are you good?

Speaker 3 (01:48:47):
Thank you?

Speaker 24 (01:48:49):
Yeah, no, I just heard you guys talking about the chateau.
So my wife and myself had gone to climb or
to do the Tungario crossing and we stared at the chateau. Yeah,
we had some pretty very good memories about that. And
one of those things, apart from the snooker, what we
were talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:49:09):
Was was the piano guy who was there.

Speaker 24 (01:49:13):
So we were there late in the evening and this
guy was playing the piano. He was taking requests and
that was probably one of the better dinners.

Speaker 18 (01:49:21):
We both had.

Speaker 24 (01:49:23):
We gave him a few requests, he played them and
oh that is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
How long are we talking?

Speaker 24 (01:49:30):
I'm talking just just during COVID, wasn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
Okaye? So that would be kind of almost at the
end of its run.

Speaker 18 (01:49:37):
Yes, this was just before.

Speaker 24 (01:49:39):
I think we're pretty sad to hear shutdown, but then
this is not you know that they were not. So
when we went up the Tongue crossing, we had it
pretty much to ourselves. There are not very many people,
not a lot of crowds, so yeah, yeah, so it
is probably I think some somewhere there so that, you
know what if that piano guy is hearing us talk,

(01:50:00):
you know, I really had soft time and it's pretty
he was pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:50:05):
How does it work the cross saying you did they
drop you off at the start or you had to
get a private contractor to drop you off and pick
you up, because it's kind of logistically quite complicated, isn't it.

Speaker 24 (01:50:14):
No, I think there are buses. So we drove up
from Oakland. We stayed at the chateau and then arranged
a bus, so they had a bus in the morning.
I think we shadowed themselves either they arranged it, I'm
not too sure now. And we then drove up to
the start, did the crossing, and then on the other

(01:50:35):
side they were waiting. At five or whatever time, we
got off and it took us back to the shuttle,
so pretty very convenient. We didn't really I think there
was always the option of you going across to the
end of the crossing and then taking a bus back
to the beginning. But I think we were both happy
we did this way because the bus was right where

(01:50:56):
we finished. If you had parked your own car, then
we would have had to walk another kilometer to get.

Speaker 7 (01:51:03):
To the car.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
It's certainly it's certainly one of the great day walks.
I mean, it's it's humble, it's memorable, isn't it.

Speaker 24 (01:51:10):
Oh fantastic because both of us, I think it took
us about six hours. We took it easy, so six six.

Speaker 12 (01:51:15):
And a half.

Speaker 24 (01:51:16):
And then we got back to the chateau and then
both of us got into the hot tub with hot
water salt in there for half an hour, went down,
had a very memorable dinner and the panel.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
So we'll find out his name to Shender, nice to talk,
Thank you so much for that. Keep in touch if
you want to. It's nine away from eleven. Of course.
I can't believe how long my Google history is from
a night on talkback, thousands of things, just trying to
remember that snooker player's name. I forget what Casper Saida's

(01:51:50):
name was. Now was it Terry? I've googled it up. Anyho,
text with her if you heard what his name was again,
so I can do some more research. Be in touch
if you want to talk here at twelve o'clock tonight,
eight hundred and eighty eighteen eighty nine two is the
old text number. If you want to get through. That's

(01:52:10):
the plan. We've got another hour left to go and
enduring it greatly. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
and nine two nine two text. Now, someone said, blimin
u AE will get two hundred at this rate. They go,
what is the score down? It's off at the moment,
forty four for one. They're going, all right? Uh and
Maye and I did the tongueado crossing while the borders

(01:52:32):
were still closed. It was majestical dropped off by a
dude that runs the crossing an hour and a half.
You phone him as you are near the end in
twenty minutes that he picks you up. I I haven't
talked about the Tongue crossing. It was a while ago
that we did it. But I can't believe the number
of people that don't do it today. I was just stagging.
That was a long time ago. It's become I'm sure
it's become much more popular since then. Unbelievable, unbelievable, just

(01:52:55):
lines of yeah, I couldn't. Must have been thousands, so
very very very busy, Marcus. My grandfather, Kenneth Lawrence owned
the only public non members snooker hall of Pong. It
was up the alleyway anyway. After my dad took over
Dennis Lawrence, he went to Auckland and opened the video
parlor there. Anyway, my dad's passed away last year, but
the old Wanganui Snooker Rooms was torn down in the

(01:53:17):
two thousands, and my cousins that were living there grabbed
a lot of them mementos from the old Wanganui billiard rooms.
It meant a lot to my family. Yes, my uncle
had his own rooms in Hamilton for a long time,
and myself and all my cousins are pool sharks. We
all grew up learning to play on big snooker tables.
I won a lot of pool competitions in Australia when
I was there. I missed those days, lots of memories.

(01:53:38):
Thanks Marcus. And then more about the guy from the
Palmerston North Paul record. Someone else says I was privileged
to know late William Lush nineteen thirty seventy two thousand
and eight. He flew Vulcan bombers before emigrating to New Zealand,
had some amazing stories in no relation to mine. I
don't think Marcus. The pool snooker rooms were the product

(01:54:02):
of six o'clock closing. You could take your flag in,
half gin and drink after the hubs closed. Sorry I've
read that wrong, but I think that's very interesting. That's
the missing bit of the puzzle. I didn't know, Marcus,
the pool snooker rooms with a product of the six
o'clock closing. You could take your flag and half g
in and drink after the pubs closed. They all had
a bookie in them and a lot of gambling. Some

(01:54:22):
even Oh yep, there we go. Thanks bears, So that
makes a lot of sense. So yeah, that's how they
worked somewhere to drink after the pubs. Some days I
think we should probably go back to six. I got closing.
It can't have been so bad. Got the dad's back
home to the kids. Did it in a worse state.
But anyway, now I'm getting ready for the Hour of
Power forty nine for one UAE. They're going all right,

(01:54:46):
they're going good, going really good. As I say, need
your calls now, people, We've got the we're at the
quiet patch of the show, which is good, I can
tell you. In christ Church there is a product recall
New World Muffins, red velvet cupcakes, carrot and muffins, carrot
and cream, cheese icing cakes of various size. Although it's

(01:55:07):
a product reef call, it's not a very exciting one.
It's because it's a bit of metal, so obviously one
of the blades is God. It's not like some massive
food outbreak. So there we go. I don't think that's
going to be the end of view. If yet metal
would it you probably you'd probably know as you chew.
But that's the only other exciting news I've got for
you as a product recall, but do get in touch
if you want to talk on air tonight. That's christ Jute.

(01:55:28):
I think that's Halls Well, I think I pronounced that right.
Hall's well Holdswell never had a New World muffin, certainly
not a red vert. I am opposed to red velvet
as a because I don't think it's a flavor. I
think it's a color. And why would you buy a
cake based on the color? Rather than that, It seems
like a food crime to me. I can't quite work
out the point of red velvet cake. What is the

(01:55:50):
point of it? Who wants a cake because of the color? Ah? Yes,
and teens and stolen cars collided with each other. Gosh,
there must be a lot of stolen cars on the road.
Was an hillcrest, of course it was Genny. This is Marcus.
Welcome and good evening.

Speaker 33 (01:56:04):
Good evening to you, Marcus. Now my late husband has
he spoke to me about his grandfather. He was actually
run the poor hall or the billiard.

Speaker 3 (01:56:16):
Hall in Bluff, Oh, for goodness sake, all.

Speaker 33 (01:56:19):
Those years ago, and I remember there was a billiard hall,
I think in down Street about where the lang opposite
where the langman had hotels.

Speaker 3 (01:56:26):
Now that makes sense.

Speaker 33 (01:56:28):
And it was down the back of food behind McLay Jillive.
I can remember that years ago, turninground going down down
street and and all these ones were standing around having
a smoke outside and talking of that. And I said them,
what's down there? And I sted a booty hall down there,
and I thought, well, I thought, no, just when you're

(01:56:48):
talking about there, I thought, my do I remember that
being there the all those years ago, like it's been gone.

Speaker 3 (01:56:54):
Well.

Speaker 33 (01:56:55):
Granddad died in nineteen seventy eight, and I remember my
husband now I'm saying about it and saying granddad worked
at the Billiet Hall or the Poor Hall down somewhere
and Bluff and my husband used to go down with
them there in the school holidays. And also H and
H Chevelines was on the corner of Dawn and Calvin

(01:57:18):
Street and they had a full sized snooker table in there.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
Oh.

Speaker 33 (01:57:23):
I remember going there because my dad was a Bluff
bus driver and quite often we go there, mate on
him to come back, and who was on a run
come back, and then we're quite up an air trip
to Sunday outing was a trip to Bluff and going
to the girls store and getting an ice cream and
then coming back.

Speaker 3 (01:57:38):
To wow, wow we are. And I have seen some
pictures of the other talk about the camp store and
the Argyle store and stuff like that, and yeah, wow, it.

Speaker 33 (01:57:56):
Was up there where the new house I think right
on the corner of the y there is and it
was right there here.

Speaker 2 (01:58:01):
It was right there.

Speaker 3 (01:58:03):
I remember that at H and H from Did the
buses go seven days a week? Did day the bluff?

Speaker 33 (01:58:09):
Yeah, yep, turn them it was every air and yeah,
turned around quite often. Used to get people bring up
home and I would say, what times the half past
twelve bus got the bluff? Yeah, therefore and a half years.

Speaker 3 (01:58:25):
There was a bus end of train.

Speaker 33 (01:58:28):
Yep, yeah, it was from the flood the bluff school.

Speaker 3 (01:58:33):
Don't get started to go.

Speaker 33 (01:58:36):
They threw all sorts of things.

Speaker 28 (01:58:37):
We're dead.

Speaker 33 (01:58:37):
We got off and going down on the bluff and
there'd be all sorts of things get thrown out the
windows and all the usual sort of the textagon quite imagine.
I think it was there for one year after I
went to South and Technical College in nineteen sixty four
and sixty five, and after that we went to Buffs

(01:58:58):
and that so the.

Speaker 3 (01:59:01):
Bluff anyway, now do you know what the Indo cargle
snooker or pull hall was called?

Speaker 15 (01:59:06):
No?

Speaker 33 (01:59:08):
I remember that well, I was only when I started
working at I worked in Schroeder's DELICATESSM which was around
the corner about where the Langham Hotel is now the
front the rent On D Street and Stuart Samas he
was on the corner and that, and I remember going
being sent to the bank down at the Southern Building Society,

(01:59:29):
not down building, the Trust bank anyway, they you know
what we's back now down down street. And I remember
one standing across the road when I came out of
the back of the shop, not all those years ago.
So that was well, I scored nineteen sixty seven, so
it'll be somewhere round about in sixty seven sixty eight,

(01:59:51):
somewhere round about beer. No, it's amazing what you're going
to call things and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:59:56):
Yeah, I've enjoyed all that, particularly the ag saw Jenny,
thank you so much for that. Twenty three past eleven. Look,
I've got surprising breaking news for you too. Our break
programs to tell you this, this was be surprising. Now
what am I going to say will surprise some of
you and I've had to look a number of times
at the article. It say if it's true, But I'm
going to say this, and this is true. This is

(02:00:19):
not unpleasant news, this is good news. But it's surprising news.
And I thought he must have died when there was
the email come through. Engelbert Humperdink is about to tour
New Zealand. Yeah, so the King of Romance is during
this June and July the celebration to A twenty twenty six.

(02:00:41):
He'll be performing in Wellington, christ Church and Auckland before
heaving to Brisbane, the Gold Coast, Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth
before winding up the turin Sydney. Tickets will be available
from today. The Australasian dates are an extension of the
United States to which begins this month in Arizona. The
British ICONOM presents selections from his comprehensive and acclaimed repertoire,

(02:01:02):
performing with the support of his band. He last performed
in Australian twenty twenty four, with reviews leaving no doubt
he's still top of the game. It has not been
to New Zealand for seven years. Engelbert, who turns ninety
on the second of May. He said, a career spanning
sixty years. Goodness, goodness, great friends with Elvis obviously and

(02:01:29):
one of the greats. And of course too, you remember
the hits Quondo, Quando Quanta and ten Guitars. So June
twenty six, Michael Fowler Center, June twenty eighth, christ Church
Town Hall, June thirtieth, Kitty Takarawa Theater. Would you be going?
I suspect I've seen him in the past, but I
can't remember. But we worth going to just set listen

(02:01:50):
to ten guitars, wouldn't it? Which would the B side have?
Release me? Of course our unofficial national anthem? But yeah,
fancy that? And as Dan saying in my heed, anyone
predict that?

Speaker 18 (02:02:05):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:02:05):
But if you had, if you predicted Ingelbert Humpting was
what an extraordinary name? It is too, sounds like a
marble falling out of the staircase, doesn't it. Anyway, that's
Inglebert Humperdink. He's on his way. I had a band
of men, you know, they play a song for me.
I don't think I knew that he was British, So
I'm embarrassed. If that's a bad thing to know, but
I would have thought that he was American. But for

(02:02:28):
some of you there, well, I don't be ridiculous, Mark,
because of course he's British, Inglbert Humperdink. His original name
was Arnold Dorsey. I don't know if he comes from
humble background or from the from Vaudeville or quite where
he's from. But yeah, I don't know much about his

(02:02:48):
early life. Our army kid born in Madras, British India,
Shanai ten children of a British Army NCO. There you go.
So that's the situation. He's on his way, Inglebert Humperdink.
It gives me a great joy to bring you that.
There we go at nineties touring. I think he lives

(02:03:09):
in America, active in real estate investments in Mexico and
the latter half of the seventies the thinger brought the
prank powers of Los Angeles, previously the home of Jane Mansfield.
He's got an he should be a sursh he's got
an MB But that's a situation there, Englbert Humperedinc. Anyway,
you might want to talk about that as well or not.

(02:03:30):
Or the Paul Halls or the chateau that we've covered
that one well tonight or your memories of Ingelbert humping
when he's toured previously? Is does Z be sponsored that
sort of thing? Z' beer get behind? Yeah it should be.
People thought it was a joke. But now he's alive.
Oh so and so I had to have a week

(02:03:51):
giggle to advertised the tour on the set of Edge
just before he told the breaking news. We get different
ads in different parts of the country. But yeah, good
on you. Marcus tried red velvet cake once You're right,
what's the point? What's the point of a cake that's
based on its color? It's like marble cake. They're always
disappointing anyway. But he's ancient, isn't he? Marcus, keep the chateau.

(02:04:13):
Now that the Tonganello Crossing has a booking system, the
next beat, the next step will be charging like the
great walks Tonight, Miss I don't Tongueddado Crossing has got
a booking system? Did I missed that? What did I
never find out about that? When did that happen? You
sure it's got a booking system. I mean, people are
right about this, but that's passed me by. There would
have been a good talkback topic in its day. It's

(02:04:36):
having to book for a walk. You've got a book,
are ridiculous? Oh my goodness, they've started. Here's a text.
And anyone predict that pears Morgan would love Bad Bunny
super Bowl performance or that Ue would beat New Zealand
at cricket? Both very good. So I think I saw
Inglebert hump di' get the mission. I'm sure that would
be right. He'd be the sort of guy that would be.

(02:04:58):
He'd be classic for the mission, Inglebert. I wonder why
you'd make a stage name. It was that there'll be
a reason to it. I just can't be bother googling
it now out of Google searchers. I think he would
have sung at the mission, But yeah, who would have
predicted that? No one? Did anyone to do it? Did they?
Most people predict Arsenal he performed at the mission. This

(02:05:18):
is ai. I haven't got a date. I think he
might have performed there in twenty twelve. I think he
might have performed with the Beach Boys. Did he not
on his own? But if you want to come through
and talk before the end of the show, that would
be ideal. Otherwise I'll just bang on. I've been listening
to him during the commercial breaks. I'p were listening to
ten guitars. Marcus, My husband and I saw Engelbert in

(02:05:41):
Perth twenty years ago. Tickets were is compensive. He was
past his best then only sang a few songs and
his kids did the rest of the show. Complete waste
of money. He should have hung up his microphone years ago,
jeepers Marcus. In regards to the Shadow, they should do
what they're doing to the old way we to hot pools,
creating a South Island wellness complex. I don't know about

(02:06:02):
the wellness complexes I reckon.

Speaker 2 (02:06:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:06:04):
They've got that floating sauna and Lake wakat Tippoo. Now
what do you reckon about that? That guy dom from
the TV, he used to be all over the TV.
Now he's got a floating sauna. That's what the TV
people are pivoting in new wellness. What was her name, Dan?
Maybe before your time Bowden, Dominic Bowden. It's quite fun
actually in his day. But yeah, but I don't know.

(02:06:24):
But but mind joy had I in the travels this holiday,
I went to wy Weather to the beach and dug
up pond and that was quite good. Actually, there's quite
a bit of thermal activity happening there. I was quite
surprised how hot it was. Liz, this is Marcus, and
welcome to you.

Speaker 25 (02:06:43):
I'm just laughing about how humbled drinkle winkle because I
don't think.

Speaker 3 (02:06:48):
We call him humble drinkle winkled. I think that's nice
to make fun of someone's stay this.

Speaker 25 (02:06:52):
No, no, I'm just doing it because I'm laughing and
I do.

Speaker 3 (02:06:55):
What I like now because I'm seventeen, and I won't
say that. No, I didn't say did I say.

Speaker 25 (02:07:06):
That, Well, you didn't finish, so I was a presumer.

Speaker 3 (02:07:09):
No, I never say that.

Speaker 25 (02:07:11):
Well that's all right. No, I'm just I'm just being
who I am because I'm in a village, so I
see hundreds of people elderly, and I thought, oh, for
God's sake, to go and pay him to see him
when he's ninety. I just cracked up laughing.

Speaker 3 (02:07:31):
Well, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 25 (02:07:34):
I can't help it.

Speaker 3 (02:07:35):
What would be wrong with seeing him?

Speaker 25 (02:07:37):
I wouldn't want to see him. There's enough people around
looking at well. Seeing where I live, I see them
all the time.

Speaker 3 (02:07:46):
What would be your favorite Anglebert Humperdink song.

Speaker 12 (02:07:49):
Not actually that fond of him?

Speaker 18 (02:07:51):
Actually, yeah, if.

Speaker 3 (02:07:53):
You're full of the yeah, well that yeah, well I
am fond of them, Liz.

Speaker 25 (02:07:57):
Oh, that's all you could be fond of.

Speaker 3 (02:07:59):
I'm not going to go I'm not going to fly
to walking for it though.

Speaker 25 (02:08:03):
No, I'm just I thought you would. I'm only being
music over at all because I'm just laughing at his age.

Speaker 3 (02:08:11):
That's all we do. Seem old to be touring, doesn't
he Well to me, I think.

Speaker 25 (02:08:16):
It's quite funny really, but I said, as he can
do what he wants.

Speaker 3 (02:08:20):
To do, and I think performers genuinely do love performing
and singing. I mean, look at Glenn Campbell. He had
Alzheimer's and didn't know where he was, but knew all
the songs and people loved him. And I mean, what
a lovely way for him to go out. He had
his family with him and they just they wheeled him
out all around the world and he's sang and he
knew his didn't know where he was, but loved it.

Speaker 29 (02:08:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (02:08:43):
Well, I've been to a couple of ones that have
been very just wolted over who well, I haven't read Roff.
I think my friend.

Speaker 3 (02:08:52):
Was he my friend the wind?

Speaker 13 (02:08:54):
No?

Speaker 25 (02:08:54):
No, he was classical.

Speaker 3 (02:08:56):
Oh what did he's singing? I haven't read roff. Oh ay,
I'm thinking of the singing tent demise Rusas. That's right,
there's a difference.

Speaker 6 (02:09:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (02:09:07):
Anyway, I've been a couple of the ones said push
the envelope and then they can't speak money, and you
go and you feel very sad.

Speaker 3 (02:09:17):
You know who was the worst? Who was the worst
you've ever seen?

Speaker 25 (02:09:22):
Probably him?

Speaker 3 (02:09:23):
I think he's saying Klinker didn't he.

Speaker 25 (02:09:26):
I forgot, don't want to say. He's saying all classical.
It was classical singer. He had a lovely deep ranch boys.

Speaker 3 (02:09:34):
Yeah, he was the real deal. I got to move on.
But thank you, Liz put evening shoe. This is Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 5 (02:09:40):
Hey, oh Marcus, every new year and your shoe. First
time corner, well, first time quarter this year. Anyway, I've
always wanted to say first time called. I don't know
why we.

Speaker 3 (02:09:51):
Don't even say it once. You can't even know you
don't get a stick and.

Speaker 11 (02:09:54):
Go with it.

Speaker 5 (02:09:55):
Okay, right here, but I'm grabbing home now from a
rabbit shooting around twenty seven tonight, and you were talking
about taking one of the go. Well, my wife made
me a cake today. It's an orange cake. If you
ever had an.

Speaker 3 (02:10:05):
Orange cake, I don't reckon I'd like it.

Speaker 5 (02:10:08):
You don't like? If you like? Do you like oranges?

Speaker 3 (02:10:12):
I don't like?

Speaker 12 (02:10:13):
Okay, oranges?

Speaker 3 (02:10:16):
Hang on, you asked if I like oranges?

Speaker 23 (02:10:18):
Right?

Speaker 3 (02:10:19):
I don't like citrus where when you peel them, the
skin doesn't come off cleanly. So I hate changels. I
don't like it when people are peeling oranges and it's
all I don't like. I don't like. I have a
no citrus rule in the car. I have a real
love hate relationship.

Speaker 5 (02:10:36):
With oranges, citrus and the car where you're trying to
drive the.

Speaker 3 (02:10:39):
S even if you're a passenger. Y. But anyway, so
your wife do an orange cake, orange and something or just.

Speaker 5 (02:10:46):
Orange orange with salt, isn't it? And I tell you
what off the scale?

Speaker 2 (02:10:51):
Off a scale?

Speaker 5 (02:10:52):
And I know you don't like short because it's too
much sugar. Now I'm not supposed to eat.

Speaker 3 (02:10:56):
Too much butter, I think much better.

Speaker 5 (02:10:59):
Yeah, each Because we just.

Speaker 3 (02:11:02):
Had a French guest that stat at our place for
a number of weeks and she left a lot of biscuits,
and there was macadamia short read, and I thought, oh, well,
I'm not going to just throw them in the burns.
I tried one. I thought, no, I still don't like
short bread.

Speaker 5 (02:11:17):
Goodness gracious. Oh oh there's really it could be a
goal for this year. PEPs to you know, find a
color you like or a cake.

Speaker 3 (02:11:25):
Oh, I I like it. The biscuit I like is
a ah now there, hang on, there's a biscuit. It's important.
I remember it. It's a British biscuit with raisins.

Speaker 5 (02:11:39):
Okay, an biscuit.

Speaker 3 (02:11:44):
No, it's like folded over like the one. No, yeah,
it's called a it's not as a Garabaldi. I don't
think it's a Garibaldi. It might be a Garable. No,
it's not a Garibaldi. Every time we discussed biscuits, I've
got to reinvent that's not a Garibaldi. It's a I
can't think of what it is.

Speaker 30 (02:12:03):
It's a problem.

Speaker 5 (02:12:05):
Well, I cant back to you. But Gary Baldy he
was the Tato, wasn't he.

Speaker 3 (02:12:10):
Yeah, but he had a biscuit named after him.

Speaker 11 (02:12:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 30 (02:12:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:12:15):
And that thing about peeling oranges, I fully get that.
I like it when an orange comes back cleanly.

Speaker 12 (02:12:21):
Ye, me too.

Speaker 3 (02:12:22):
That's why I can't. That's why I can't bear a TAngelo.

Speaker 5 (02:12:25):
And the funniest thing was, I was at a resturan
the other day. The grapefruit trees there and it's just
dripping a grape for it, like huge grape for beautiful,
great a restaurant and a rist home resturan, you know,
like one of those complexes we'lder old people that have
tectually the Masonic and Levin and my aunties in there.
And is these grapefruit just all over the ground under
this tree. I said, the kid, take a which you

(02:12:47):
mind if I grabbed a few of those great fruit
and take home? He said, for your boots. You see,
everybody in here can eat them because they're all on
blood for us.

Speaker 3 (02:12:54):
Yeah, for goodness sake, it's the king of the I
love a grapefruit.

Speaker 5 (02:12:59):
Grapefruit's good, grateful, it's good death. Grapefruits over head came
from Hawks Bay. They were weenies. They were huge. You
like you, cat one. I haven't filled the entire you know,
break with cereal place. And the reason it was so
good was that whenni tree was going over the septic
tank and the reats that were in the septic tank,
and that was just like really really high up. Then grapefruits.

(02:13:23):
There are great grapefruits.

Speaker 3 (02:13:24):
I wish I could remember them. A biscuit, my favorite biscuit,
and I can't think what it was called.

Speaker 5 (02:13:28):
I like those Belgium ones.

Speaker 3 (02:13:30):
You're there, all right, But this one I do like,
and I've discussed it before. I just got a terrible
memory for biscuits. It's like a folded over little pie
eckles cake.

Speaker 2 (02:13:41):
Eckles, got it?

Speaker 3 (02:13:42):
You ever had one of those?

Speaker 5 (02:13:44):
I don't think so, but I had one the other
day that the lady said was at the shop at
the cafe, said, this is what the queen is. This
is the queen's biscuit. Of course you don't need the
biscuits now because she did, but she used to eat
these biscuits.

Speaker 3 (02:13:57):
I think we've still got a queen, but she's just
a different queen. Kim Miller is a queen, now.

Speaker 5 (02:14:00):
Oh that's correct. Yeah, But I was talking about Elizabeth
and I tried those and I severely overrated, and I
thought that that's not that's not a good biscuit. I
can't cary what that call either. But it was the
one that the English people lived. It's the English royalty
that I can't know one of those or a short

(02:14:21):
they like playing food.

Speaker 3 (02:14:22):
I've got a run, but thank you nineteen to twelve. Actually,
when I say looking at the equals, it probably looks
more like a cake to yeah, equals yeah. I don't
know if that actually qualifies as a biscuit. Looks more
like a pie seventeen away from twelve Pettit's Marcus good Evening.

Speaker 34 (02:14:39):
Good Evening, Marcus and it Liz is a strange core.
How can you just laugh with someone that's ninety At
least he's traveling in the world.

Speaker 7 (02:14:48):
He's not in the like he's exactly go on.

Speaker 34 (02:14:53):
You know, Mark is one of the best songs. I'm
saying he's called Spanish Nighties Over, but I don't hold
it songs, but it's one of his best songs.

Speaker 3 (02:15:02):
Are Kids, How's that one go?

Speaker 34 (02:15:05):
Spanish Day is Over? I've heard him seen that. He's
not playing much on radio, but he's one of these
better songs are Richard.

Speaker 3 (02:15:15):
I'm just trying to I'm just trying to look at
the lyrics of that. Oh I Am Maria was his
not ye?

Speaker 31 (02:15:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 17 (02:15:24):
Oh it's a good song man.

Speaker 3 (02:15:25):
Once upon a lonely night in Barcelona, Spain. She was
just a simple girl, Maria was her name. Through the
night We've got in love, but morning brings goodbye. Now
I spend the rest of my life wondering why the
Spanish night is over and here I am again. Oh yeah,
he is a beautiful song like us, real love song,
that one, isn't it.

Speaker 17 (02:15:42):
Yeah, okay, Marcus, appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (02:15:44):
Pat, thank you. There you go, Pat, putting you in
your place there, Liz a little bit humbling touring it well,
of course I know who's touring is a great singer. Still,
that's Willie Nelson. And he doesn't stop. And people say
his voice, he's always had a good voice. I mean
that he's always had a unique voice, and that uniqueness is.

Speaker 2 (02:16:04):
And I like that.

Speaker 3 (02:16:06):
I like his tone and his old beaten up guitar
that's also got its old tone. So yeah, well done him.
But he's still I don't think he's been here for
a while.

Speaker 12 (02:16:13):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (02:16:14):
Englebert Humpting, as people have told me, he is named
after the nineteenth century composer of Hencil and Gretel, so
he's adopted a historical name, which good on him. It's
worked for him. We all remember his name, don't we.
It's fifteen to twelve. Or you want to be involved
with the late flurry. There's been wickets in the cricket
one two, seven for three at Ua. How we caught?

(02:16:37):
Oh no, they've only got they've only got sixteen and
three seventeen eighteen nineteen. It's only got twenty balls left.
I don't think I know about twenty balls left. I
think brilliant catch on the boundary there, it seems to be.
There's replaying that now. Any one of those catches where
he caught it and then sent it back in. It
was remarkable. That'll be on the highlights reel. It was

(02:16:58):
very good, extraordinary catch. Who is that young whipper snapper
out there? Good in the outfield? Hey, if you want
to talk before the end of the show, that's the plan.
You want to be in touch and Tim will be
along at midnight and I'm looking forward what you want
to say before the end? Eight shat. It feels like

(02:17:19):
a long show tonight, doesn't it. We've covered a lot
of ground. But that's good. That's the plan. I don't
know if a Nicols cake is a biscuit or a pastry.
So I'm not quite sure about that. Good evening, Daryl,
It's Marcus welcome. Hello God, Yeah, good God dare yep,
that got cha receiving.

Speaker 35 (02:17:41):
Okay, Look, I just wanted to make a couple of comments.
I think of it happening. I've loved this music for
a long time. That's touring at that age, you know,
it just says that something that went to win to
call it quiz, you know what, ninety years of this,

(02:18:02):
it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (02:18:03):
Well, if people, if people are prepared to.

Speaker 10 (02:18:05):
Pay, yeah, I wouldn't.

Speaker 35 (02:18:08):
I wouldn't go and see him at this point of
his life because I wouldn't want to be disappointed, you know,
because I mean, obviously, what could he do it in
ninety really?

Speaker 3 (02:18:23):
Well, is Perry is still a good singer?

Speaker 9 (02:18:27):
Okay?

Speaker 13 (02:18:28):
So that all right?

Speaker 35 (02:18:29):
If he's just got to sit there and singer, I
get that. That's fair enough to anything else. Not really sorry,
And one more point, you were talking about the Worries
coach and how carming Ian Parry was very much alike.

Speaker 3 (02:18:45):
Yeah, you're right, You're right. As as I was thinking that,
I thought I was thinking how great Ivan is. He's
just as unrattled with the media. He's always calm, absolutely
nice to talk Darryl. Thank you, Richard. It's Marcus.

Speaker 17 (02:18:58):
Welcome Marcus.

Speaker 11 (02:19:02):
Look.

Speaker 17 (02:19:02):
I have very fond memories of that place up until
around about it eight years ago when it closed, with
my parents and my kids and even my grandkids.

Speaker 31 (02:19:15):
We used to go there for.

Speaker 17 (02:19:18):
Christmas lunch and stay Christmas Day there, but slowly got
wound down by the stapaure Ian's they had into the ground,
and then it was put up as an earthquake risk.
As you would probably be well aware, I think it's
a great chain. The ambience replaced is incredible. In fact,

(02:19:44):
I don't really know if any other hotel and you said,
I like it and with fucker paper holdings redeveloping basically
a socker pupa ski field term with the snow guns
and all the rest. But I think it has a
brilliant future. I understand the zone of present by.

Speaker 2 (02:20:11):
Doc.

Speaker 17 (02:20:12):
Let's just hope that someone steps and does something work.

Speaker 3 (02:20:17):
Is the is the ski season, Is the skifield sorted out?

Speaker 30 (02:20:21):
Now?

Speaker 3 (02:20:21):
Have they got a four plan?

Speaker 17 (02:20:23):
Well, willn't truly sort out? Yeah, Holdings concession have they,
But they have got a tenuing concession and Dave Menzies,
who has been related to the mountain for christ forty
to fifty years, is heading it and he has other

(02:20:43):
people involved as investors or whatever they want to call them.
One of them is responsible for the new age snow guns.
Sure any new snowguns in there. And he is also
the importer of the pistomboy snow groom.

Speaker 12 (02:21:07):
Okay, so.

Speaker 17 (02:21:10):
Got water four of those areas which were a bit dodgy.

Speaker 2 (02:21:13):
And now.

Speaker 17 (02:21:15):
Complete scale. But I reckon it's increased the skifield area
or one increase of the Skifield area by about thirty
plus the bikers, you know, the biking is developing hand
over fist, even down down as far as any you know, Okenny,

(02:21:37):
he's got I think about a six point five million
of track in place, and there's another ten point five
million dollars extension to it.

Speaker 3 (02:21:50):
What's that you said, it's mountain biking.

Speaker 17 (02:21:51):
Richard, mountain biking.

Speaker 12 (02:21:53):
Yeah, yeah, And.

Speaker 3 (02:21:57):
I know the government's put a lot of money into
fu Papa, the huge.

Speaker 17 (02:22:00):
Amount, huge amount, huge And of course you've got the
gondola there which goes operational for twelve months per year.
So I think the whole area of the whole district
has got a very very bright future. And I wouldn't

(02:22:21):
not be surprised if Fucker Paper Holdings showed a great, greater,
great interest in the shadow. But it was just that
goes so far by the Singing boreom people who had
the lease of it, and the service was terrible as

(02:22:43):
opposed to what it was, and then I don't know
what the story was, but regarding the as quite risk personally,
I think that's sort of bullt it.

Speaker 3 (02:22:53):
Okay, Richard, thanks for that five away from twelve. You
want to go by the way Clift Richards, I think
it's close to ninety someone season. People still fall over
themselves to go and see him. And he's not ridiculed,
is he for still touring? It's a good point. Is
a good chateau story. Not sure of the exact year,
two thousand and seven maybe, but I worked for a
ducting company that services air ducts and kitchens and the like,

(02:23:13):
and we stayed at the Grand Chateau as we had
to service the ducting late that night. The workmate had
a friend who lived in the accommodation up behind the
chateau and worked as a night porter there and skied
the mountain in the day and while we had our
downtime waiting to reducting job, we explored inks assessed the
use of all the facilities in the chateau. In the

(02:23:34):
Grand Chateau, we found the heated plunge pool late the
evening down the stairs twenty years plus. By seeing you
thought it was a good idea to stand on the
side of the pool and dive in. The pool was
only way steep if that, so I thought, what the
heck you're doing as he jumped to dive and he
caught the low slung seating fire sprinkler, smashing it with
his back. Next minute the fire alarm goes off. Fifty

(02:23:54):
thousand liters pour into the pool and flood. This is
evacuates the whole place. Everyone was evacuated outside and Pj's
and half asleep, and it was a blizzard conditions at
the time. So fire trucks turned up an ambulance for
the workmate. He had gashed his back open. They took
him to Tomony Hospital forty stitches. I was left to
explain what happened, red faced, as the older workmate should

(02:24:17):
have had more sense. So that was my first and
last day at the Grand Chateau, and workers have texted
me and said it was all true about the prisoners
getting the meal as they've picked up the pig feed.
So I'm pleased that story was corroborated. As far as
the cricket goes, the UA one five seven for three

(02:24:40):
and they've got about seventeen balls left, so they could
get two hundred maybe not maybe the breche and by
crick and foe of one seventy sounds about right.

Speaker 7 (02:24:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:24:52):
I couldn't believe how how quiet Olcerney was when we
were there in the summer.

Speaker 24 (02:24:57):
It was.

Speaker 7 (02:24:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:24:57):
I don't know if people are saying it's a mountain
biking planned, but there was. Certainly it was pretty quiet.
The summer revival hasn't happened the yet. That would be
my take on that one. Someone said if musicians are
old performing shows, I think they must be broke. Now,

(02:25:17):
I think musicians genuinely love it. They never seem to
retire the ones that are able to sing. It does
seem to give them great joy. That's why I've always
marveled that position, because it's the one position that makes
them seems to make them permanently happy. That's it for me, people,
Thank you for spending the night with me. I've loved it,
and I'll return tomorrow night.

Speaker 1 (02:25:38):
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