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Marcus kicks the week off talking washing lines and responsible dog ownership.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Marcus lush Night's podcast from News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'd be eighth seven. Greetings, Welcome Marcus with your Thrilled
till Midnight tonight. Type. Your weekend was good. Hope your
week's gonna be good. I hope you partake if you
want to in the show tonight. Oh wait, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty call text, email callings best, Texting's good. Email,
it's good, all works, All works for me. A couple
of things I want to talk about tonight. Probably more
stuff will come up. Also, who knows if we'll get

(00:32):
breaking news tonight or not. Yeah, some serious stuff to
talk about tonight too. Also by the way, Oh but
just before we get into the serious stuff. I sometimes
you don't always know if you remember things truly. But
I certainly have recollections of hydraulic clothes lines, and in

(00:56):
subsequent years those recollections have gone because I think you'd
actually hold on to the rotary clothesline and you'd actually
turned on the hydraulics and would lift you into the air.
But I'd forgotten about until I saw a post today.
I think it was an Australian post with someone reremembering
that it was a plumber saying, oh my god, look
at this, and it was a and I think it
just it just went to the tap. I don't know

(01:17):
how much pressure they would have been in there. But
if anyone remembers hydraulic clothes lines, when were they a thing?
As anyone still got one, I don't know what to
talk back about. I think it'd probably be a nineteen
fifties thing. And I don't know if people invented them themselves,
were just sort of backyard hydraulics or you bought them
as that. So if anyone can remember a one or
two calls about that would be great. If anyone can remember.

(01:37):
And when I mean hydraulic, you'd put the washing on
and then you'd turn a tap and it would get
lifted into the air to get the stronger breeze. Great
things the rotary clothes I'm I just wonder if anyone
remembers one of those. And I know I haven't imagined
it because I saw a post about it today, And

(01:58):
if I hadn't seen the post, I would have thought
of it. And it could be fifty years since I've
seen one, and I think they were quite common that's
my understand So some of you will have had one,
some of you will still have. I guarantee someone still
got one. I imagine someone on the West coast, but
I think it'd be a nineteen fifties thing. So not
only was it a rotary clothesline, those ones we love,

(02:21):
but it was hydraulic and it's a beautiful thing. So
if you remember one of the I don't know if
they've got one, and tipapa they ought to have because
it was a great thing. I just don't know how
the hydraulics would work. And as I say that, I
don't know how they had so much lifting ability. So
if you've got any recollections about that, that's kind of
where I wouldn't mind starting with tonight. I don't know

(02:42):
if they made locally. I imagined throughout the course of
the night we'll find someone that was involved with a
factory for making them. Talking about hydraulic, you know the
rotary clotheslines, the ones that spin. These ones you turn
a tap on and they'd lift up into the year.
For me were the ones you crank the handle. But
this one was hydraulic. You turn a tap on. Marcaus
said this morning, I heard about the man shot at

(03:02):
Trump's properly, However, not a lot of coverage on the
radio day. How come thought it would be full on you. Well,
there's not much to say. I'm sure a lot of
those people down the rabbit hole were worried about the
release the file to worried about Epstein, worried about Trump,
A lot of people probably, you know, he's got to
fairly what do I say, Well, politics over there is
pretty crazy, and I imagine it won't be the last either.

(03:24):
But they've already I think, caught someone trying to get
into mal Lago. He's got life in prison. This guy
had a gun and a tin of petrol. I don't
know if he's going to set himself a light or
do something else. But yeah, so the hydraulic clothes on,
that's what we are talking about. So that's what I'd
like to get started on before I get to the
other topics at hand. And there are three major topics.

(03:46):
Tonight will be a three topic night. But you don't
start with the good stuff. You don't get the other stuff.
If you have got breaking news to don't let us
know what the breaking news is. By the way, I
will kind of keep you up to date. I sage
of stuff happens. That's the way it's going to work.
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and nine to nine
to text. But mainly first up is about the Oh goodness,

(04:10):
gracious me, A a bus full of people has gone
to Lake by Carl, and I do know that as
the deepest lake in the world. Having been there, so
was read the headlines there, So yes, that would that
would be deep, gone through the ice, that'd be a
good way to go, could be freezing. I didn't know
if they drove along the lake. Needs to put railway

(04:32):
tracks on the lake of Lake by Car. That's an
amazing thing, isn't it. That's how frozen over it went. Anyway,
But let's bring the topic back to back to the
matter at hand. This is hydraulic clothes lines. They'll be
plumbed into your house. Yeah, Ron, this is Marcus. Thanks

(04:53):
for getting the whole discussion started tonight. Welcome, good evening.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Good ending.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, we had we had one of those clothes line.
Wasn't hydraulic. Ours was a gear one that we could
wind up and it could go up high. Once you
put the clothes on it, you could go up. I
think two or three stages.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, kind of had the handle at the side, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yeah, that's right?

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yeah yeah, But Ron.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Were you aware? I don't want to harp on it,
but were you Were you aware of the hydraulic one?
Have you ever come across one of you? Ever seen
one in the in the wild?

Speaker 4 (05:32):
No? No, I hadn't seen one of those, because.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
I thought you'd be someone that's traveled a bit.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
No, I hadn't seen. My parents had had it. I'm
ninety one years of age, and it was my parents had.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Had it, and I guess they're not still around.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
No.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Where where was where was this? Where was this clothesline?

Speaker 4 (05:56):
On our back roun?

Speaker 2 (05:58):
I thought you're going to say that, which part of
the country are waging?

Speaker 6 (06:02):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, okay, they probably don't need the ones that went
the year with the hydraulic one. And because it's windy,
nice Ron, thank you. Hydraulic clothes lines. I don't ever
know how you get them and how they're plumbed in,
but you want to say something about that. That's the
plan to begin with tonight. Oh, I also want to
talk dogs tonight. We haven't talked dogs. I want to
moderate discussion. I want a discussion on dogs where people

(06:24):
can just ring up and say their opinion, because I
don't know enough about the laws with dogs. And what
I mean to say is that I know a lot
of people get dogs to protect their property, but I
don't know what the laws are if someone comes on
your property and they could be well meaning, they could

(06:46):
be well intentioned, and the dog harms those people, because
that to me seems to be the area of concern,
oh as far as roaming dogs also, But where some
of my thinking has gone today is that if people
are liable for prosecution with what happens with dogs on

(07:07):
their property, is it the current state or if that
becomes the current state, does that mean people are less
likely have those dogs, and those dogs are less likely
as then break out in rome? Because a lot of
the dogs don't seem to be as pets. They seem
to be more as some sort of surveillance device, which
I'm sure most dogs form jewel rolls, but it sounds like

(07:28):
some dogs out there not even particularly nice lives, So
you might want to comment as that as well as
the clotheslines eight hundred and eighty eight and nine nine
to the text, you want to be a part of it.
Marcus till twelve Nick good.

Speaker 7 (07:41):
Evening many years ago. I had two dogs and they
were their companion dogs and that sort of barmy afternoon.
We lived on the side on the parameters of the
school and there was a gate at the bottom of
our yard, so producerally go out up the gate. They're
into the school play area. And that's how close it was.

(08:02):
It was a joint in the school. Anyway, one afternoon
school holiday, the kids the dogs were sunning it on
the back deck, knapping it all up, and a woman
and her twelve year old child just marched in through
our gate and straight through the garden. Not a barley

(08:22):
know how to do. No excuse me, nothing like that.
They just grabbed her child just walking through the lawn,
I said, and the dogs went racing down. On other
story is that she was avoiding some roughnecks on the
other side of the school and the player's play play area,
and she wanted to get her child out to safety,
but she just came walking straight through our lawn. Now,
our dogs they're not biters, they're not vicious, but they

(08:44):
do make a noise. They both got up and they
ran down the grass, and one went to the left
of the woman and the child. And now the dog
went to the right of the woman and the child,
and they circled around them in a kind of semicircle
and stood there barking as soon as they're walking down
the side of our house. Which is fortunate because on
discussion with animal control and the police, I said, you know,

(09:08):
they've come through my yard. If there's my dog had
bitten them, what then? And they said, the law is
that your dog must not bite or attack, because in
this case it was a woman and a child, but
it could be a meter reader, it could be a policeman.
If your dog comes and bites that person, you're in
the gun. So that's you know, my dog's made noise,

(09:29):
which is what we wanted. As far as anything else
is concerned. You've got to watch your dog otherwise that
you're going to be up before the whats and the
double be destroyed.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Oh that's a good scenario. Did she elude the authorities
or did you speak to the authorities subsequently?

Speaker 7 (09:46):
No, I spoke to your thought. I rang them out
and I said, I've just had a woman come running
through my yard. To report it to the police, and
then I just spoke to other people. I'm one wire
or another. I ended up speaking to animal control and
I said, what's the law? And it's as I said
to you. It was a woman and a twelve year
old daughter and luckily, well not luckily that the sloppy animals,
but they just sort of both of them were barking

(10:08):
and it's shooting down the deck steps and one either
side of the of the of the of the people.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Okay, so the law is the dogs kind of tech
people on your properties. And that you understand, and that's
what you understand is still the law.

Speaker 8 (10:20):
Right, That's what.

Speaker 7 (10:22):
I understand to be the test because it could be
a police, it could be a meat reader, it could
be a child getting a ball.

Speaker 9 (10:27):
Yeah, you know, so.

Speaker 7 (10:29):
You've got you've got to be where I mean if
your dog makes annoyse, what you want is a dog
that makes a noise. You don't want a dog that
bites people. Otherwise, as you're in the cart, so as you.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Do, what were they?

Speaker 7 (10:41):
Ah, one was a good sport and that had a bite.

Speaker 10 (10:45):
One.

Speaker 7 (10:45):
If you think do you know a spot the telecom
dog going back a few years, Yeah, if you think
of spot on steroids at the same markings, the same everything.
But it was because people would look at him and
they go, oh, it's Spot, but stop bumped up. And
the other one was a crossed over mean ridge back.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
So the original one was Spot was what not a tearrier?

Speaker 11 (11:06):
Hm?

Speaker 7 (11:06):
He looks very much like Spot. I don't know what
was anymother both.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
I understand, just don't know. Good great, thanks, brilliant, great answer.
Hey twenty three John, this is Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
How are you market?

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Hi John?

Speaker 5 (11:21):
Yeah, make a lison. I just want to talk about
what I was. What's going on to talk at the moment?
Or over in your zan?

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Sure well you've rung the right show.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
Yeah, yeah, of course I'm the first time quorra. I
always sit in Surebuck every day is my arm every day,
every night?

Speaker 2 (11:42):
And what did you want to say about the dogs?

Speaker 5 (11:45):
Well, what I'm saying about the all you can't be
really blamed at all? What you can't what you can't
really blame the talk with the talk? Did you know?

Speaker 2 (11:55):
I take somebody who so who takes the blame the
owner of all? Yeah? I guess that's fair enough.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
I have to be the owner at all because I
I used to have to talk myself. I'm sixty nine now,
but I used to own the dog when I was
by nineteen twenty, you know, back in my days, and
I used to kiss my dog. They say stop, sit down,
right down, that sort of stuff. Going back. I even

(12:26):
chase how I take somebody if I want to take
You know what I'm saying. I mean, I take another dog.
You know what I'm saying. Not prison, not people. They
treat my dog to take another dog. So my dog
and I even know what sort of playing a talk
a cop back to me. His name was Bookie, and

(12:48):
I used to tell the dog to stop or sit
down or shut up or you know, you know what
I mean, or make him go.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Tech John from what From my discussions to talk, I
think a lot of people think they've been of dog
owners than they are.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
But it's things was sort of talk.

Speaker 10 (13:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
A lot of people say, you know, well, I think
therefciated surveys about how many people work that walk their dogs,
and one hundred percent of people thought that dogs needed
to be walked every day, but the number of people
that walk the dog every day about sixty percent. So yeah,
I'm all about sketchy about dogs and because yeah, a
lot of dog owners always ring up and we've been
holier than now. There must be bad ones out there
because a lot of bites bte bite bite bite bite

(13:27):
twenty six pass don't keep those calls. So if you
want to hit LL twelve o'clock to breaking news, when
that happens. Dogs and the clothes lines that you turn
a tap on, Margaret good Eating, this is Marcus.

Speaker 10 (13:38):
Welcome, Oh welcome.

Speaker 12 (13:40):
I think are you talking about the clothes lines, the
old fashioned ones that they used to go around like sort.

Speaker 7 (13:46):
A bit like a merry go around.

Speaker 11 (13:47):
Yes, yeah, Well I went over to play with the
I was visiting neighbors anyway, and then I went to
play with the boys next door, who were great fun,
and we were we were using it as a merry
go round and I've never had so much fun.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
And that was it hydraulic you'd turn a tap on,
it would go up and down.

Speaker 10 (14:07):
Handle.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
No, these are hydraulic. It's like a water powered thing.

Speaker 13 (14:11):
Oh no, these are just a handle that Oh yeah, No.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
What I was talking about was the ones that are
the next level, which was that when I'd forgotten there existed,
there are hydraulic one and there'd be a tap of
the tap would rate and I can't remember where there
was one, but there certainly was, and now absolutely had
that vindicated. I've seen more reports on those big thing
between the nineteen fifty ninety six. There will be some
out there somewhere. I'm just not sure where getting touched.

(14:36):
Hittll twelve one theme as Marcus welcome, good evening, Dogs
and dogs and clothes lines, the lines of the clothes.
That's what's happening currently. If there's something, I just want
to mention car catches far on Auckland State Highway one
our six fifty and be out now just what the
commuters wouldn't want on that morning. Didn't get many metals,

(15:00):
did we? We were right about the Winter Olympics. I
think it's come too easy in the past couple of
good years. This supp was a but lynn anyway, it's
always a bit of a lottery with conditions and falls
and stuff like that. I suppose it happens at all
events that we fools weren't there. You remember Mary Decker
and Zoldabart in the running that was bad, wasn't wh
They all fell over and tripped her with no shoes.

(15:21):
Remember that big story at the time. If you want
to partake, my name is Marcus. Welcome eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty nine two nine two to text good
goodness me. Paul In Hansen's party is now in the
lead in New South Wales thirty percent Australian Labour Party

(15:43):
on twenty five percent. Goodness.

Speaker 10 (15:46):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
I think it was already number one in Victoria. But
be in touch. If you want to be part of
the show, welcome to There's other stuff you've got. I
see we've got Stacey Jones going to be part of
the Sky commentary for the Warriors. I kind of feel
in some way like the continuity of the I just
think when the Ossie team's over here, I think they
should have the same commentator package. I know that probably

(16:07):
sounds like heresy. I like the familiarity of it. Always
feel surprising for me when we've got the home games,
we got the New Zealand commentary. I don't know what
the broadcasting deals are. I just checked it out there
in case that resonates with someone, But yeah, it's what's
always not upset me. But I thought, yeah, I don't
enjoy the experience as much. I don't quite know why

(16:27):
it is, but something I've often given some thought too.
I saw today that Shawn Johnson's going to be added
to the New Zealand commentary team. I just don't think
they've got there right. I don't think they've got the
vibe right, the vibe quite right just yet. You might
want to mention that also tonight eight hundred and eighty
Toda eighty, Calvin Marcus, Good evening.

Speaker 14 (16:48):
Before I talk to you about dogs, I was just
going to say to the Olympics. I watched a lot
of the Winter Olympics, but I never saw any and
I'm talking about one on the Freeview. I never saw
any of the what they call it the ski jump,
you know where they go downhill screaming up and just
about flying.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
No, I didn't see any of that either.

Speaker 14 (17:10):
So I don't know whether it's just that it wasn't
on any of Freeview or whatever. But I used to
really enjoy watching that, and I remember a couple of
Winter Olympics ago they sort of had it on just
about every night.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, it was, it was maybe, I don't know. I
don't even see it on Sky channels because Sky Channel
had about four devoted to it. But I was an
occasional viewer and saw no ski jumping Throughn't know what
happened to that.

Speaker 14 (17:36):
Now with the dogs, Marcus, in New Zealand, the only
dogs allowed to bite anybody are police dogs. All other
dogs if they bite somebody, they are immediately on death
throw until it gets sort of out one way or another.

Speaker 15 (17:50):
Do you know this?

Speaker 14 (17:52):
Yeah, that is fact because because that's New Zealand law.
That's the way it is.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
By laws.

Speaker 14 (18:02):
It would be New Zealand law. Okay, maybe council by
law as well, but the main news in on law.
And how I know it is because I maybe four
years of age and I remember all these very very
important things. Now, the reality is having a guard dog
in your back section.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
So what did you say? You say it a dog bites,
what it's really put put down?

Speaker 14 (18:26):
No, no, I said. In New Zealand, the only dogs
allowed to bite anybody are police dogs. Any other dog
is immediately on death row until it gets sought, until
it gets sorted out one way or another.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
And what a sort of what do is getting sorted out?

Speaker 16 (18:46):
Look like?

Speaker 14 (18:48):
Well, you know it to be to do with the
court case and all that carry on, wouldn't it and
I remember there was a well known you would recall
the female's name. I've just forgotten the name here, But
she had a dog a normal circumstances would have been
put down, but it didn't. But any dogs?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Is this the girl at the Grayland Park and Auckland
and the guys went to jail?

Speaker 17 (19:11):
Is it right?

Speaker 14 (19:13):
That's another one. It's a New Zealand female personality TV personality.
I just can't remember her name.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
And was it her dogs?

Speaker 9 (19:21):
Yeah? Yeah, anyway, hang on, don't.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Talk vaguely to me. So her dogs attact someone.

Speaker 14 (19:31):
Well, I can't recall exactly whether they attack somebody. I've
got a stronger feeling that they were on somebody's farm,
because what I wanted to add to it was that
any dog roaming on a farm as such. Of course,
you know, a farm can grow chickens or whatever can
be shot by the farmer quite legally. So if you've

(19:54):
got a lovely little pet dog and you live next
door of a farm, make sure it never gets over
the fence roaming around. And that is New Zealand law.
Any farmer listening will be nodding his head and say, yep,
that's correct.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yep, Calvin's right. Good on you, Calvin, thank you for
that twenty five tonight. It's all about the dogs and
the clothes lines and the warriors tonight. Jump in if
you want to add anything to it. Tonight eight hundred.
I don't know who the key we broadcasting woman was
with the dogs. It's one of those things normally i'd remember, Oh, Marcus,

(20:28):
does the one know the actual breeds of dogs that
have a technically said recently as opposed to what some
media often claim as regular culprits in the head. I
don't know if it's been publicized the breeds of the dogs.
There has been recent A texts, has been ones in Timudu,
there's been ones in Brindwa, and there's been ones in
kay who they're the three recent ones, but I guess
that's up all still up for investigation. Totally agree. Prefer

(20:49):
the Aussie commentators for the Warriors. Better banter, Marcus. I
have a ring camera on my gate and the gate
has always closed. It's also clearly says dogs on property.
If you then come into my proty, the dog will
go for you. It's defending its property, Ben, not defending
your property. Dogs don't have any concept of property. I
don't think that's a Western construct. I'd imagine twenty four

(21:12):
to nine. This is Marcus Judith, Welcome and good evening.
The air waves are yours? Do I kind of bit strong?

Speaker 18 (21:24):
I Marcus. I used to have a miniature long haired
dash shant.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Champion of breed love a deck Dexan.

Speaker 18 (21:35):
Yep, well I've hardly got any legs, no ray anyway,
Stepfie's do not like nor rotweiler either, like desh shants
because they look like cats and they think they're going
to chase them that much.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Like a cat.

Speaker 18 (21:58):
Yeah, will you try and tell?

Speaker 19 (22:00):
Well?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I guess there are similar size to a cat. Did this?
Did the Stephanie Stephania tech at tech your miniature here, Dixon?

Speaker 18 (22:07):
Ye had it cornered up by the wrist?

Speaker 15 (22:09):
Home?

Speaker 18 (22:10):
What I am o, Tamarama?

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Was it the wrist?

Speaker 6 (22:15):
Time?

Speaker 2 (22:16):
You're run?

Speaker 20 (22:18):
Not yet?

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Okay?

Speaker 18 (22:21):
Anyway, I said to the man who staffy, And it
wasn't on the lead, and my dog wasn't on the
lead because you didn't need to. It just followed you. Anyway.
I yeled out to the man, call your dog off,
Call your dog off, and he wouldn't, And I went

(22:41):
over and I went, well, if she's going to get
a tack, de Mars will be right there on side.
And I mean to call your dog off. And he
wouldn't call it because he knew I'd report it. So
I grabbed that stupid little Steffie, got the number off
the tag on his collar, reported it to the council.

(23:04):
And well, the council because as I mean, it's a
minuture dog. I mean, another time I walk you down the.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Ba But Judith, I got listeners here, want a good story.
What's the point of the story.

Speaker 18 (23:20):
The council phoned me up and they went and they went, well,
we've got the dog and it will no longer go
under the Good Dog Registration region.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
That's the conclusion to what's on now.

Speaker 10 (23:33):
Bad dog register, Bad dog register.

Speaker 18 (23:37):
My neighbor had this stupid little dog bailed me out
in my flat, and I mean, call off your dog.
If you ever a dog a takes you, you freeze
right and then you say that you own to call
your dog off.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Okay, you still got your You're still got your miniature
along here Dixon.

Speaker 18 (23:57):
I know she died about ten years ago. Wow, she
was champion of breed. I don't know what dish hands
go for these days, probably about a grand or two.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
When you say champion of breed, what does that mean
she won one competition or she won all the competitions?

Speaker 18 (24:15):
She won all the competitions, like right around the country. Yep.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Did you have a little case in the car for her?

Speaker 18 (24:22):
No, she was on the front seat of my car
and my little Honda City.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
How far would you travel with her? Like the whole
length of the country.

Speaker 18 (24:31):
I travel anywhere were there. She didn't even need a lead,
she just followed you.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
What was her name? Penny pee pe in in y
pe in in I uncommon name for doggie.

Speaker 18 (24:46):
Well that's what I thought, because when I brought you,
I thought she was really expensive at four hundred and
fifty dollars.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Was the name of a reffliction of the price?

Speaker 18 (24:59):
I didn't I see that?

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Oh you didn't call it Penny.

Speaker 18 (25:03):
No, she came pre named pen.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Was your hard to get information out of? Okay, So
that's cool. I'm going to move on.

Speaker 13 (25:09):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Seventeen to nine. I also know who the news on
TV personality was whose dog was worrying. It was a
ship worrier. I can't find that out yet. If you
do no text me. Not many takers for that one
hittle tow of min him as Marcus. Welcome, Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty TB Marcus, Good evening.

Speaker 21 (25:27):
Good evening. I had to put on my Joe ninety
glasses for this one. I went looking for your hydraulic
clothes hoist and I couldn't find any old references to
them at all. There's new ones which appear to be
electrically driven, but I can't find any of what you described.
And I when you first mentioned it, I thought that

(25:50):
sounds right, but I can't. I have no memory of
seeing one myself, but I can't find a reference for them.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
You think I've taken leave of my senses.

Speaker 21 (26:02):
You may have conflated something.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Do you think I'm the sort of inflat something?

Speaker 21 (26:08):
Yeah, it has happened, But anyway, I didn't quit some
maths on this. If you had a four inch pipe
and fifteen psi of water pressure, it would only lift
about eighteen kilos. Sorry about mixing matching.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
My I'm happy with you on it.

Speaker 21 (26:29):
That's the way it sort of works out.

Speaker 10 (26:31):
Well.

Speaker 21 (26:31):
The head of a clothesline would behaving kilos at the start,
so and they're still going to boost your water pressure
because I think tapwater is about fifteen psi and I've
got no proof of that. I just a feeling. I
don't think a tap would list that without the piston
being quite substantially larger, and it would look.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
It would lift. It would lift people as well. Yes,
and you probably think I've I mentioned that. If you
go to Facebook, right, yep, Diverse Plumbing and Roofing, and
he's put a post at Diverse Plumbing and Roofing. If

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you go to a post on February the nineteenth, there's
one there that's lifting up.

Speaker 21 (27:19):
Okay, I'll do that in the second. I'm on to Facebook.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, I don't want you. I don't want you a
double screen. And they were, they were a big thing
in New Zealand. Okay, but I'm surprised it's taken you. Yeah,
because you're a good Google, aren't you.

Speaker 10 (27:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (27:37):
But I did it via Google as opposed to Facebook.
And these days Facebook is starting to have more experts
on it than Google. Facebook is there's a lot more
niche than YouTube. If you like, there's a good word niche.
I just made that up.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Now it's don't work out when the hydraulic won.

Speaker 21 (28:00):
I mean I could understand it being hydraulic with a
electric boost up because you are talking, you know, and
there's a sad bit of in behind it, and perhaps
a ram you'd find on a small digger would do them.
Certainly have the ability to lift it. But then you

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run into the safety problems. If you got hooked up
in the clothes line while pushing up, you could become
part of your own clothes.

Speaker 22 (28:28):
It needs to be dry.

Speaker 21 (28:32):
Yeah, see your kids were un around.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
I think they were quite common, the hydraulic ones.

Speaker 10 (28:38):
That's why.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
That's why, particularly whenever you are you can imagine like
your classic key We statehouse with a concrete paved path
and a flat section and there'd be the hills hoist
out the background, and there would be some hydraulic ones.

Speaker 10 (28:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (28:51):
I remember many, many, many hills ones. In fact, even
where I live now, I have a Mirotory clothesline, but
it's just a static hite, it's not a crank cup.
But I remember the hills vividly, and of course you
can still buy them, not necessarily made by els. And
yeah they were the people are dead with the bees

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and these, but they usually had as in the front yard.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, but I'm just looking at a long article to
see where the mention of the hydraulic one is because
there's not much talk about the hydraulic one. No, okay,
well I'll see if I can find someone because I
can't Google and talk at the same time dB as
much as i'd like to. But yeah, there was a
hydraulic one. There's an article. But I'm just trying to
scream through and find everything. But if no one knows
about the hydraulic one, do let me know it was

(29:42):
a thing. I'm convinced about that. Well, yeah, these images
nine to nine. Good evening, Maureen. This is Marcus.

Speaker 10 (29:51):
Welcome, Hi Marcus, how are you good?

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Thank you, Maureen. Nice to hear from you.

Speaker 12 (29:57):
Right, we had got this little dash and part part beagle,
part dash more like a sausage dog than a beagle
at all. And we got her when my daughter was
six months old and just puppy was six weeks old.

(30:19):
So they grew up together totally and we had a
just a narrow carry on she's she was eight years old,
and we had a big cabbage tree on our boom

(30:42):
and anyway, the two kids, her and her brother, we
were talking to the neighbors next door, and this big
cabbage tree was kind of in the way, you know,
and this old man jogger went dragging pass and she
was with the old neighbors next door talking to the kids,

(31:04):
and she nipped them when he was jogging passy all
of a sudden come from this tree, you know, and
she just she's never done anything like that in her life,
and she nipped them, and being an old man with
soft skin, he bled and and she said. The old

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neighbor said, oh you you came upon these kids, you know,
just and he looked her. He said, who belongs Who
is his dog? And Tamaya said, it's mine. And he
said where do you live? And she said, I'm not
telling you.

Speaker 15 (31:50):
So we were next door.

Speaker 12 (31:53):
She only nipped them, but she got such a fright
that thought he was, you know, coming upon the kids.
Would have done it ever anything like they're ever in alife?

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Were the repercussions.

Speaker 12 (32:10):
No, she wouldn't tell them where she lived.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, that's what I thought.

Speaker 17 (32:13):
But yeah, but she lived next door.

Speaker 12 (32:17):
But yeah, so you know, dogs can be you know, unpredictable.
But yeah, she was protecting the kids.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
In this in this sense, but protecting the kids from what.

Speaker 12 (32:39):
Ah, well, this jogger he just like came upon them.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
People are people are allowed to jog.

Speaker 12 (32:46):
And I but he just appeared behind the tree.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
That's what joggers do, though. I'm just I'm just sort of.

Speaker 13 (32:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, you can see how it quickly becomes because there's
the dog lovers and then there's the joggers.

Speaker 12 (33:02):
Yeah, I know, I'm a dog of myself.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Was yeah, are the nippy dogs edshed?

Speaker 8 (33:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (33:15):
No, this one wasn't neither, but this time never, but
this time, that time, that's not never though, was it?
That's one time I need it either?

Speaker 12 (33:25):
One time.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Were really nice to talk. I've found all the information
on the hydraulic It wasn't a hills Hoist. It was
the guy that invent it was a guy called toy
in t o Yne. There's a complicated history. They were
gonna have to cyclone dar and the only thing that
survived was a hills One of the only things that
survived and the whole propertly was a hills Hoist clothes line.
They are a cultural icon over there, Marcus. I wonder

(33:51):
why skyding us choose between Fox and nine commentators. I
give us the option when it's the New Zealand commentators
Marcus are at least two kinds of hydraulic clothes lines,
one water powered with a hose attachment on the pole
and an oil filled one with a pump. Bimco Broomco
is the oil filled one and probably better than the
water operated versions. Thought the water ones were pretty good.

(34:14):
Increatings and welcome. Seven past nine. We are talking dogs,
and I don't know whether we can have a reasonable
discussion about dogs because there always seems to be two
camps of people. They're the people that are the dog
people and the people that are the people that think
there are too many dangerous dogs, and there's very little

(34:36):
consensus between the two groups. And every twenty years or
ten years there's hystereia and the government says we need
to do something about dogs, but never does anything because
there's no votes in it because people hate the government
and pinging on dog owners rights. But yeah, I just
be curious to know how you feel about it. Not
obviously on the back of three really bad dog attacks,

(34:57):
but there have been other warnings. We've seen packs of
dogs in the far attacking people doing the two track,
attacking people going around the property. We've had people in
the Bay of plenty of talking about the kids, not
maying a school them a I because there are dogs.

(35:17):
You know, it does seem it does seem to be
one of those situations where it's out of control. I
don't know what people are using the dogs for. I
presume some people are using the dogs for protecting. Some
people using the dogs because they don't want people to
get involved with in the various activities, but rather with
giant grand statements and stuff. Maybe there's some practical things
that you think need to change, or maybe you think
it's fine and it's about enforcement. I know that most

(35:41):
councils have extremely dedicated dog control facilities with really passionate
staff who you know, work free hard to liaise with
dog owners and give them the chances to remedy their
properties to you know, it's complicated, but as long as
you can particul this case, you realize it's probably two

(36:02):
views to two groups, and two people speak to other
people's rights and their views on this one, and we'll see.

Speaker 17 (36:09):
How we go.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Reggie, this is Marcus. Welcome, good evening.

Speaker 22 (36:13):
Yeah, how's it going, Marcus?

Speaker 21 (36:14):
How are you mate?

Speaker 23 (36:15):
Good?

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Thanks?

Speaker 22 (36:15):
Reggie, yeah, look a few different points on on my angle.

Speaker 21 (36:20):
Okay, Saturday morning, six.

Speaker 22 (36:23):
Forty five, I had a nice little well, it was
my little approachment from uh yeah, it wasn't a good
things lucky it.

Speaker 21 (36:31):
Didn't get me but properly.

Speaker 22 (36:34):
But yeah, anyway, and another thing.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Hang on, you said six fifty had an approach, But
what did you get to take by a dog?

Speaker 19 (36:42):
Uh?

Speaker 22 (36:44):
Yeah, tried to sort of lucky. I was trying to
shake his owner's hand, actually, but I'm not going to
get himTo that at the moment, Marcus.

Speaker 21 (36:52):
It's a it's another thing.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Doctor dog. The dog attack you when you shake the
owner's hand.

Speaker 22 (36:59):
It jumped up at me and tried to have her go. Yeah,
but I sort of went back and anyway, no thing happened.
But yeah, that's how easy it happens.

Speaker 9 (37:10):
Anyway.

Speaker 22 (37:11):
On the other hand, my uncle, he's got the ugliest dog.
His name Scooby Doo or I call him Stew anyway,
and he's he's the most vicious looking dog, but he's
just so lovely, you know, like, oh he's you know,
he pretty much changes the baby's nappies and stuff.

Speaker 21 (37:31):
He's just so called. He's honestly, he's yeah, and yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Okay, leave it there, riggie. Yeah bit sure. Details for
a discussion for me on that one, but thank you, George.
It's Marcus. Good evening.

Speaker 15 (37:44):
I'm going to come from a slightly different angle about
a dog with an attitude or a zone, intentions, or
whatever you want to call it. Mindset. We took our
dog out quite often. It was a Ossie Terrier Bishoon
free his cross, so it's not very big. It's about
the size of the poodle, but very hairy with a

(38:06):
Scottish looking front. Used to go up to alsatians and
all these others nuje dogs. Stand on his back legs,
looked him in the eye and start barking and they're
back off. So he was a catted attitude. But on
this particular day we went down to the park we
used to let him off and go for a run.
There was a nice lady sitting on the seat, you know,

(38:30):
or by myself. He went up. She leaned down, patted him.
He sat down, smiled, stood up, turned around, lifted his
leg and peed all over her shoes.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Hello, Yeah, I'm here, So what's what. Yeah, I'm getting
a lot of anecdotes about dogs behavior rather than their thoughts.

Speaker 10 (38:54):
But yeah, I guess it was just we had.

Speaker 15 (38:57):
Never seen anything like that before. Maybe it was the
type of nugget she used on her shoes, or perfume
or something. It just took a shine and it was
like he had to mark the shoes just like you
marked any lamp post.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
And how did you resolve that?

Speaker 15 (39:13):
Mean that we apologize?

Speaker 10 (39:15):
Yeah, because before did you clean your shoes?

Speaker 15 (39:22):
Well, not a grassy park, the clean shoes.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
No, but you'd offered to clean them or dry clean them,
wouldn't you.

Speaker 15 (39:28):
Well, we said, we apologize like crazy. She said okay,
you know, and then walked off.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
And yeah, well, I mean that was that was my
great Yeah, getting it some dog, that was my direction. Yeah,
but you still that was my great in direction with
the dog Marlow at some of the beachs than the
dog urinated all over me when I was sitting on
a on a on a ramp and the owners just
did nothing and think, well, the at least you could

(39:54):
do would be offered to clean the clothes, and that
they did. They looked they literally did nothing.

Speaker 15 (40:01):
Yeah, I can only think that, but why why.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Why would have known to not do anything? Why would
they not say, hey, we're really sorry, let's make this better.

Speaker 15 (40:09):
Because they caught on the hot that's why. And I
think that's a shock to the person.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
But that's why people are losing their love for dog owners. Yes,
because they they're just so entire, they're so in love
with their dogs. They think the dogs could do.

Speaker 10 (40:23):
No wrong, and then the dog does and they and
they failed to rectify it.

Speaker 15 (40:30):
Yeah, yeah, I realized that. I understand what you're saying. Yeah,
it's just our situation.

Speaker 10 (40:34):
I believe.

Speaker 15 (40:37):
We were so shocked by we didn't think of cleaning
shoes and what the heck, what's he done that for?
You know? And that was I think it was like,
we're trying to work it out.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
But maybe dogs just aren't that predictable. Maybe people think
dogs are tame, but they're not that tame.

Speaker 15 (40:53):
Well, I can give you another story if you've got
a moment, and it's a funny one. And I used
to live in Parmeiston. North Massive University had a youth
group out there, Christian youth group that used to meet
on Fridays, and they decided to have what was called
a camel reunion. I don't know if I've told you
this before, So before the Friday night, the leaders of

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the group went around Palmerston North Pitserbata Avenue and into
the square and sprayed the lamp posts with a perfume
and that was fine. So the guys of the group
had to find their way by sniffing lamp posts.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Wow, this is up for most youth group experiences.

Speaker 6 (41:34):
Here, yep.

Speaker 15 (41:36):
And the whole thing was they went around that Friday
night at nine o'clock still sniffing lamp posts, trying to
figure out how to get to their destination, and they
finally made it and everything. But the funny thing was
that on the Saturday when the owners took their dogs
out for walks and their favorite main impost that they
had marked was no longer normal. They spent the majority
of their time trying to resquirt every lampost that they

(41:57):
came across, and dog after dog after dog was watching
seen doing this because the perfume had messed up their marks.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
How did the You just sniffed from lamp post to
lamp post, down the bottom and if there was nothing
there your turn? Would you is anything?

Speaker 15 (42:14):
We go to a different lamp post, don't find the
smell and decide if you're going the right way or not,
and so if you came to an intersection, they wouldn't
spray the one in the middle of the intersection.

Speaker 10 (42:26):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (42:27):
What's that called?

Speaker 15 (42:28):
It was the camel Driver's Reunion. This was like about
ninety seventy one. It was one of the funniest things
that they've ever done.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
You were you in the youth group? No that I
knew people that were you told the youth group adjacent?

Speaker 24 (42:43):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (42:44):
Yes, yeah, we were actually ran another youth group, but
we just heard about this a couple of days later.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
That's the thing, and they called it the camel Drivers.
That's probably slightly derogatory to Okay, you're over.

Speaker 15 (42:58):
The place, you've got your backside up in the air
looking like a camel or you sniffing, sniffing lamp posts,
and you got about forty or fifty people, you know,
going up and down the road trying to find where
the smells are, to find out where to go.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Is that why it's called a camel drivers or union?
Because they are Are they wearing legs? Are they wearing
knee pads?

Speaker 15 (43:20):
Oh no, they just all dressed up. They had when
they started their group session, you know, get together. It
was down by the Perturbic.

Speaker 10 (43:28):
Bridge, of course it was.

Speaker 15 (43:29):
Yeah, So they had to work from there all the
way up to town to figure out where they're going
to go up College Street, where they're going to go,
you know, all the side streets and all the rest
of them, or they're going to keep going straight up
Perturbit Avenue. And of course they had to figure out
which side of the road it was too, because the
guys had changed the side of the road. They have
to go both sides to figure out where it was going.

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It was one of the apparently the people were observing
this thought it was one of the funniest things they've seen.
What Poorish students crawling around on their knees and nabs.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
That's if I want to do one of those what perfume?

Speaker 15 (44:02):
Do you use something really strong that kills the dog smell?

Speaker 5 (44:06):
What was it?

Speaker 15 (44:08):
I've got no idea, wouldn't be It might be over cologne,
who knows, you know, you asked the students what they
were going by, because there's no warehouse at the time,
so they're gone by a you know, a really strong person.
They'll stick it in a sprayer with water and they
go just spray on the bottom of the their posts.

Speaker 10 (44:26):
It's good.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
It's a good story, George. Something I didn't know about.
Thank you lines free dogs. If you've got any thoughts
about let me know what that is. Be respect for
other people's opinions, because although people don't seem I mean,
it just seems to be dog I want to talk
about their dogs. It seems to be. That's fine with me.
But get in touch if you want to text nine
to nine two oh eight hundred and eighty today, if
you want to email, no, if you want to call.

(44:49):
Our dogs are never left off lead in public. They
are totally safe dogs. We set them from strays coming
up to them. All dogs should be on leads at
all times unless they are fenced. Shows a bit of
a dog's breakfast, someone said, mar because it's not just
people have been attacked by these aggressive dogs, that little
dogs are getting attacked as well. Bit it's a dailier currents. Yeah, anyway,

(45:13):
here's my name is Marcus. Welcome nineteen past nine, twenty
one past nine, Brian, It's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 11 (45:21):
Yeah, Marcus, about this dog to what I think about
three or four things. One I think when a dog
is picked up by the Council, the holding period should
be reduced from seven days down to say three days,
and then Euphona is the dog. The holding period is

(45:42):
about seven days. I believe I would reduce that down.
If they pick a dog up, reduce that down to
at least three or two days.

Speaker 22 (45:51):
What one?

Speaker 2 (45:52):
What would that achieve?

Speaker 11 (45:55):
Well, the last I heard what I was told from
the Orkland Council, the animal shelters overflowing from the dogs. Okay,
but these straight dogs that they timed, if they picked
them up, I think they could reduce that right down
and just start and speed up the euph and Asia program.

(46:17):
What I would do.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Brian Morley comment about that, has been down south and
having spent time with the dog control people down south,
most of the dog control people love dogs and the
last thing they want to do be doing is you
think that they want to do anything but euthanasee them.
That's my understanding. So you've got to think of those
workers as well. They don't want to be putting down dogs.

Speaker 11 (46:38):
I would be here the other way, but never mind.
I've got a property in the Orkand Council region. It's
got a pit bull. It's not even fence. Then the
property is not even fens and the council even though
of it. So I've complained about all that in the past,
but it's still not a fence thing. Property is an
over issue there and everything I would make all dogs

(47:01):
finds five hundred dollars at full stop. I would come
in real had out on that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Yeah, I guess that's the situation. If you're coming too hard,
then people won't register them and they won't be compliant.

Speaker 11 (47:15):
Nah, I would. Yeah, I'm more of a euphan asia man,
I'd be as far as I've got a lot of
trouble as dogs, and it's the owners. But you just
can't get through to the owners of the dogs either.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
But no one's worked out of no one's worked out
a very good way to get through to the owners.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
Nah.

Speaker 11 (47:35):
And most of these dogs are quite the vicious sort
of dogs, you know, the rock wilders and the pitbulls,
breeds and the limb because they that's the sort of
dogs they like to go for. So yeah, I think
there's a problem out there between the dogs and the
dog owners. Myself. They will leave it at that, but.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
There's always a lot of talk and never many solutions.
I find when it comes to dogs, it's complicated and
there's always hystere and then it dies down for a while,
I guess. But yeah, I mean you wouldn't want to,
you know. I think counsels work for every hard with
enforcing VI laws. Most seems too difficult, Mandy, it's Marcus.
Good evening.

Speaker 25 (48:12):
Oh, good evening, Marcus. I'll just be real quick, really
supporting what you say and some of the comments that
are coming through. But about five christmases ago, Christmas Day
among this friend had a son and his daughter for Christmas,
and their daughter was four years old, so you can

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imagine she's only so high, and the dog was just
slightly taller than the little four year old. The most
beautiful dog placed things and I don't know, it was
just the right, wrong sort of you know, the eyes
the right I don't know. The dog turned around st
a on the face.

Speaker 11 (48:53):
It was sad.

Speaker 25 (48:54):
Took the dog to the vets and then took kids
straight down.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
That was it.

Speaker 11 (48:59):
It was sad.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
But sorry, Mandy, you just went roughly there were up
to the with a dog with the baby.

Speaker 24 (49:05):
Then what oh sorry, So the the.

Speaker 25 (49:12):
Four year old child, you know, was very familiar with
this dog. When the dog was about the same height
as the four year old. Sure, and the child turned
around and looked it in the eyes, and the dog
locked over with it and just boff on its face,
but its face.

Speaker 24 (49:28):
So the father of.

Speaker 25 (49:31):
We're the owner of the dog. He took the dog
straight to the events got to put down, and mum
took the child to the a and and at the
time it was sad, but I thought, that's what needs
to happen, because.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Let's not stop that happening again.

Speaker 25 (49:46):
Has it It hasn't, It hasn't. But I just think,
you know, you know, these little kids, these babies, one one,
you know, these some of these dogs looked so lovely,
but there are animals.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
What sort of dog was it?

Speaker 25 (49:58):
I was just trying to think. The New Days said,
and I can't quite remember. Was a lovely dog, But
I just thought.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
At the time that you just can't have it was
it was the dog and that girl. It was that
girl's family's dog.

Speaker 25 (50:11):
Yes it was, and you know, you know, really familiar
with it, never ever been vicious. But something happened and
it turned and it just locked on and that was that.
And I kind of admired them. I thought, good on
them for just going up.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
That's well, there's nothing else you could do, was there?

Speaker 7 (50:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (50:31):
Like what about little baby? And you see all these
cute pictures of you know, dogs snuggling and little baby
defense of little things, and I don't know, it broke
my heart at the time, but at the same time
I really admired.

Speaker 11 (50:43):
Their reaction to it all.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Yeah, okay, appreciate that, Mendy, thank you. Any thoughts about
the changes for the law was what needs to change?
I mean, look, I don't know. I think it's probably
not something that needs to change by a law. It
probably needs to be something with attitude. What about dingo?
As someone says, someone said, it's idiots like Brian that

(51:07):
create the problem. Yeah, it was interesting. I mean we
just get dog owners. It don't seem to be very
aware of what's going on. But yeah, if you want
to be in touch, feel free to come through eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. I mean, you can bring
up with different anecdotes about what dogs have done, But
what do you think the solution is? Because I know
in Auckland, the number of dogs that get put down

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every year is unbelievable. So there are a lot of
dogs that want that aren't wanted, so there's a real
problem with that as well. I think last year over
six thousand dogs were euthanized and ten thousand were impounded,

(51:50):
with only thirty five percent reclaimed by their owners. They
say limited shelter capacity, they say roaming dogs, there's a
lack of desexing. So something seems to probably need to
get a bit better. I don't know what that is, particularly,
you know, because I am in a place that has
fairly good control of dogs. It's not that its problems.

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And there are was highly amount of stories because people's
love for their dogs is as great as love can be. Really,
people adore their dogs, and I'm sure even the bad
dogs are adored. So yes, someone says, what about dingoes.
Someone says compulsory dog training for new owners. Here Bo,
it's Marcus, Welcome, good evening.

Speaker 20 (52:34):
Good evening, Marcus. So I have a nine year old
jet vessel. Come and then Jon cross dog. He looks
like here in McCleary right. Yes, Yes, So I was
walking one day, stopped at my neighborhood a chat and
this girl was glittering junk male and because she came

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approached behind Jerry jumped up and nipped her expensive little
lemon types. You know the girls where there's fancy types
for the gym now And she.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Said, is that what they're wearing?

Speaker 10 (53:09):
Yep, okay, yep, huarent dollars.

Speaker 20 (53:12):
It's okay, and I'm sorry about that. She is a
pimprick hole. And I said, listen, I've got a friend
to him down that. Finally you would not see it.
Oh no, they're ruined, she said, for goodness sake. And
as it transpired, Marcus, she had had a bad day.
The son could have been delivering the junk mail. She
got a big cat bill from the VET for three

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hundred dollars. And this was the top of the iceberg
when her my dog nipped her expensive type.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Mo, it sounds to me that your dog, but this
woman and your victim blame and you and you're victim
blaming you buy of course you buying new tights.

Speaker 20 (53:54):
Listen, I listen, I'm not saying.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
The expensive tights that she wore and things like that
and saying she's overreacted. But your dogs, no, no.

Speaker 20 (54:07):
Sorry very much by her. He jumped up and scratched
his flaw on the eight.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, I think you're probably the wrong
with that one. Juliet's Marcus, welcome hi.

Speaker 26 (54:24):
And unfortunately a lot of people get a little cutesy dog.
They carry it around in a basket like a baby,
threaded up like kids, and they're not treated as they
should be as dogs. Dogs have got to know that
you are the leader of the pack. And what you
say is what they do with my dog when I
take them out. I've only had him adopted from a

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dog shelter up at the top of the North Island.
And I live in christ Shooes and we and I
go across the road and make them sit and wait,
and then I say okay, and we go across. And
it's just that, you know, I don't know what it
is about some people. I mean, this is going to

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make you laugh, but I mean there's most people that
I don't know if you heard it or not on
the radio, that some gigs are rapping the Neil filand
didn't want to get these dog newted because he reasoned
that it would took to make the dog go gay.
And have you ever heard such a load of living
see in all your life. I just fell out to

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be when I was like you know, I was listening
to it. What what would getting a dog mused make
it go gay for? And I mean they was booming
what's an a weird gig called the day Gay.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Dog bigg Your pardon marked it?

Speaker 24 (55:43):
I see?

Speaker 26 (55:44):
There isn't a word saying that what a gay dog is?
It's just stupid.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
What did the host say?

Speaker 26 (55:54):
So, I Rea, can you repeat that?

Speaker 2 (55:57):
What did what was this on the radio?

Speaker 16 (56:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:01):
What did the host? What did the hosts say? When
the guy said I.

Speaker 26 (56:05):
Didn't I didn't unfortunately catch that. But as I say,
I laughed too much and then I've had fell out
of my bed.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
It is a surprising attitude for someone to have.

Speaker 26 (56:20):
I'd call it more than surprising. Yeah, just blooming flick.
But there's a trouble. It's always the dog. I mean
that dog and that man that was on just before.
It should should be that animals should be put down
after three days if they're not claimed. Well, I mean
it's always the dogs that suffer for the the owner's stupidity.

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I went on to a property once. I didn't see
the dog till till it actually attacked me. There was
no fenxures up, no notice up saying dog loose on property,
which shouldn't have been because I think, if I'm right,
by law, you are supposed to have that dog access
to your property, a dog free your property.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Tell me something, Why did you get a dog from
a rescue scene from the far North when you're in
christ Church?

Speaker 26 (57:14):
It was just one that I saw on Facebook or whatever.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
They call this, and then you fell in love with
you love the way it locked.

Speaker 26 (57:23):
Yeah, but it was Yeah, he was nothing like he
was supposed to be. They said he was a whipp
at cross, and I think he's a greyhound cross for something.
He's got all spots all over him, and everyone sees says,
I mean, I'm just saying it, but not just saying
that because I'm a dosing dogg in everyone's says when
I when they see him, oh what a beautiful dot.

Speaker 24 (57:45):
And but he's.

Speaker 26 (57:48):
He's really, you know, he's really. He's only seven months
old and he knows how the mare when he's told
before he goes across the road and teaching him to
leave his food when I put it down on his
plate for when he gets head, and you know, I
put it down on the thing and I tell him
to wait, and then I put the plate down, and

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then he's not to move till I say okay, and
then he goes in each of the plate brilliant.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
What's the dog's name, Julie, And that's Dara. Did you
hear it the name Dara? When you got the dog?
What did you give it a new name?

Speaker 26 (58:22):
David a new day? And his name was Finn that
I called him Darra after the guy on the chase,
who's who's quite I think it's quite nice.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Oh, the Irish guy with they don't like his string ties.
Twenty three to ten. You're not super impressed by the
dog owners so far, but you never know. Twenty one
away from ten. Oh wait, Henrick Carlton Marcus good evening.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Good evening.

Speaker 27 (58:44):
Ron Emerson's cartoon on Tuesday, February the nineteenth headed Vicious
Dog Breeds. You've got three dogs, the vicious dog breed
and a little speech bubble that says we can thoroughly
rhycommend registering, microchipping and d sixing our owners.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
I thought that was hilarious, although although not entirely helpful,
still very funny. Yeah, okay, that's the guy that does
the cartoons for the well the things for the cartoons
for this only Herald who's talking about Emerson, which I
don't get the Herald, but I think I have seen it. George,

(59:26):
it's Marcus. Good evening.

Speaker 10 (59:28):
How are you good?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Thank you, George.

Speaker 17 (59:31):
I'm ringing regarding what has come up on the TV
radio news ever and news or might have been whatever,
regarding the fact of these two dogs to attack these
father and son in christ.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yeah, if you if you just want to pause there
for a sec I don't want to get in the
specifics of that case because I don't know what's going
to happen with that case. But yeah, yeah, but I'm
going no, George, you listen to me before we get
into it. What I'm saying is, I'm not happy discussing
the specifics of that case unless until I know what's

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going to happen in that situation.

Speaker 17 (01:00:18):
Okay. But the reason I am ringing is that Neighbors
has said, no, I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Can't, George, George, I can't get into the specifics in
case there's charges that and this is prejudicial. I can't
get into that situation.

Speaker 17 (01:00:33):
Okay, I understand that. Yeah, Okay, that's fine.

Speaker 10 (01:00:35):
Yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
I'm sorry about that. That's why. And that's why I
left it a while since the Coho thing to discuss this,
because we can't get this. You can't wing such and
such with doing such and such because yeah, I don't
know where they are with the situation. I mean, it's
even probably prejudicial sort of implying that there could be charges.
I don't know if there's charges or not. But it's
not something I'm happy to get into because, yeah, for

(01:01:02):
obvious reasons, but yes, get in touch. You don't want
to talk about what changes youth because obviously that the
situation at the moment, mainly the situation with all those
dogs getting euthanized in Auckland, that's just unbelievable. I mean,
no one could think that's a good situation. Dog lovers

(01:01:23):
of people that are a dog where he could be
in approved of that many dogs getting euthanized. And then
the number of attacks are ten thousand a year. Is
that number of people gett attacked by It's a lot.
And then there's more and more stories of gangs of
dogs roaming in the countryside, like feral pacts and things.

(01:01:47):
We're sort of good news stories anyway, but I mean
when the stories come really bad it's not good. But
it's interesting because when people bring up they could talk
about anecdotal stories about their own dogs. Their own dogs
would do this, wouldn't. But but they can't see the
bigger picture. Thinks okay, hanging about something probably probably needs
to change, Like the SPCA have made fairly good comments

(01:02:09):
about what needs to be done, and they're always wanting action. Yeah,
and they say the Dog Control Act, which is thirty
years old, is redated. So that's kind of what I'm
about tonight is just if you haven't got anyone got
any wisdom around that, if you want to talk, oh,

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eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty and nine to nine
seventeen to ten fourteen from ten by the way in Auckland,
we will be off the ten eighty now, so if
you listen on ten eighty, you could go listen on
eighty nine point four after midnight because we're turning it off.
But that's just as we fix it. Although I don't
know why anyone be listening to AM when you can

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listen to FM. I'm still living in I hope they're
going to get FM down south, but it's been a
long time. But anyway, so go listen on your app
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and nine nine
to text Louis, it's Marcus. Good evening.

Speaker 16 (01:03:13):
Ah, hi Marcus. Yeah, this is a pretty serious subject,
is isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Well, it's what is serious. What is serious as the
delusion of a lot of the dog owners.

Speaker 16 (01:03:26):
I think, yes, yes, I totally agree with that, and
I have had Back in the seventies, my ex husband
had the brilliant idea of getting a female for our dog,
who's a German shepherd, and she was a street wise dog.
She actually attacked our baby and he still I said,

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we need to get a put down. No, no, no, no,
it'll be all right. And she ended up taking our dog,
the boy, on a cilling spree and they killed a goat,
and of course so they both got put down. You know,
it's so the loaded.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Anyway, there's a bit to piece together in that story.
You had a dog and then he got another dog.

Speaker 21 (01:04:14):
Is that right?

Speaker 16 (01:04:15):
Yes? He got the mate.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
He thought that would testify the dog or what was
the thinking there?

Speaker 16 (01:04:19):
Were you going to become a yeah breathing, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
Si.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
You text your daughter at what age.

Speaker 16 (01:04:28):
She would have been about six months old.

Speaker 10 (01:04:30):
For goodness sake, I know, I know, believe me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Did you have did you have stockhous were you.

Speaker 11 (01:04:39):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:04:40):
Yeah, Well he was violent.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Okay, so classic situation. I didn't feel you could leave
and things like that.

Speaker 16 (01:04:48):
Okay, ah, yeah I did eventually. But animal problem, it's
not just dogs, it's cats as well. And there's rabbits
and you mean.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
You mean dogs attacking cats and rabbits or cats and
rabbits attacking people.

Speaker 16 (01:05:04):
Dogs attacking I think that a good start would be
too mandatory de sexing of all.

Speaker 28 (01:05:13):
It's not just dogs, not just.

Speaker 16 (01:05:15):
Cats, rabbits, everything, and mandatory training to dog owners maybe
for cats as well.

Speaker 21 (01:05:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
I've gone back and looking at what Auckland Council proposes
and what the SPCA proposed, because they've both come through
with some fairly reasoned comments about what they want and
but a lot of it the councils can't afford to
the councils want funding from central government.

Speaker 10 (01:05:43):
To help with.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Yes, But yeah, and I think Anya Dale, who she's
a good sort, very good sort. She said what she's
a doctor or the boss of SPCA. She says, there's
no single bullet effective provincialized on strong legislation, consistent enforcement,
responsible breeding, oversight, desexing, early behavior, intervention in public education

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and leadership from central government and a comprehensive, substantive review
of the outdated law. But we'll get nothing from central
government because central government don't want to do anything about
it because there's no vote to know.

Speaker 16 (01:06:15):
I yes, I know, it's very frustrating. This has been
going on for too long.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Too long.

Speaker 16 (01:06:22):
You know, three people have died in the last five
years from dog attacks, and did you say ten thousand
people a year being attacked by Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Yeah, no, hang on, I'll have to fact check that.
But that's pretty much what I heard. I heard that
dangerous dogs there are. And it's also it correlates with.

Speaker 16 (01:06:41):
How just now there's difference between councils too. When I
was an orphan on West Auckland, I had a dog
and I should never have had a dog. He could
leap six foot fences. He just scrambled up and took off.
Now I moved to the north Shore and within a

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week the council.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
Onto me, Yeah that's right, and so I had to read.

Speaker 28 (01:07:08):
Home her man.

Speaker 16 (01:07:08):
I haven't had a dog since, and I'm not having
a dog since because I'm not not good with dogs. Really,
I'm not. I'm a cat person. But you know, it's
it's just very frustrating. It's tragic on all levels really,
and yes, I wish the government would do something, but yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Pretty hard thing to fix though. It's the thing, I mean,
behavior change and good laws aren't simple, although we do
get governments to try and come up with simplistic laws.
I think nineteen to ten. Ainge, it's Marcus, good evening.

Speaker 7 (01:07:46):
Yeah, hi are Marcus?

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
How are you doing good things?

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
A thank you?

Speaker 11 (01:07:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:07:51):
I was just listening to the lady just prayer to me,
and I was just talking about thinking about my dog Maple.

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
Her name is Maple.

Speaker 29 (01:08:05):
She's been around for a years now. She's been attacked twice.
This is on a we we do our daily walk.
We walked down seaside. This is a note to who
She's been attacked by X please dog, which is understandable.

(01:08:27):
I guess I don't know. Yeah, she was attacked by.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
X please dog and then was the X police dog
on a leading with an owner.

Speaker 29 (01:08:39):
Well, no, because where we go and walk it's off leash,
don't there.

Speaker 22 (01:08:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:08:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so she was off leish, and
so I let her off leish and then we went
around the corner and then all of a sudden I
just heard her and she was being attacked by this dog.
Of course, it's a please it's please dog. It's been

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taken on by a I don't know, just just a
community guy. But this guy at the same time is
deaf or a little bit deaf maybe, And yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:09:26):
So.

Speaker 20 (01:09:27):
She got attacked.

Speaker 29 (01:09:29):
He whacked his he whacked his dog.

Speaker 20 (01:09:34):
Actually, he whacked his dog.

Speaker 29 (01:09:37):
Booted him and let go over there.

Speaker 5 (01:09:40):
And yeah, so there's a lot of.

Speaker 29 (01:09:44):
Harm gooing or going around on just our OFFLEYSH dog
with our offleysh dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
So are you saying some dogs shouldn't be allowed to
be in the Offley areas because they're not up to scratch.

Speaker 29 (01:09:58):
Well, in the case of because our police dogs, you know,
they trained to do what they do. Say, perhaps in
the occasion, perhaps that dog shouldn't have been off fleash. Yeah,
but it was really scary.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Okay, imagine we sho your dog all right.

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she was all right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
But did she need stitches?

Speaker 29 (01:10:26):
No, no, no, she didn't need a spit to think
think goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Okay, appreciate you called Britt's Marcus. Good evening.

Speaker 10 (01:10:35):
Hello Britt.

Speaker 30 (01:10:38):
Yeah, yeah, well you know what we should have done?
And I had read noticed people that was wrongfully put down.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Hang on, mister, just come again. What we're saying you just.

Speaker 30 (01:10:52):
Five and a half years ago my dog was wrongfully
put down and wrongfully accused of buying someone when he
really didn't do it. Now, because I know a couple
of other people that have gone through the same sort
of thing. You know, but there are people help hear it.
Long for you, long for a huge dogs avoiding and

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attacking people And yeah, I can't talk about it, sorry mate,
damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Appreciate Brett, Thanks so much, take care, greetings and good evening.
How are you. What's happening talking dogs? And yeah, good
on you reason comments if you've got them, I guess
the question is about what you think should happen as
opposed to you and your own personal dog story. See
if you can kind of branch out beyond that and

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let us know what what needs to have a number
of dogs and put down number of dog attacks and
seems to be in a such a lot of people
go back to COVID and say people during COVID got dogs,
but I don't necessarily know if that rings true. But
even so, if you get a dog, good look after them. Yeah,
and if they end up in the pound, you get

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them back, you pay the fine, then you look after them.
If you're not looking after them then or finisure property.
Because we're being three quite bad dog attacts one and
Timaru over the weekend. One in Christchiachy, one in the
north and Tahou Old Railway Town.

Speaker 31 (01:12:19):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Ortho dagle towards the hook younger eight past ten, Eric,
this is Marcus. Good evening.

Speaker 9 (01:12:27):
Yeah, okay, Marca, so you're doing good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Thanks, Eric.

Speaker 8 (01:12:31):
Good.

Speaker 9 (01:12:31):
Yeah, I've got a little bit of a doozy on
dog attacks for you. And so this happened, well, there's
two attacks by the same dog. This first one happened
last November and the which was bad. Nothing shouldn't happen
in the first place. But this dog, our neighbor's dog

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escaped their property, actually jumped their fence and my partner,
we're working outside. We live in Mount Wellington, out the
back of the house. So this dog jumped the fence
and our cat was inside and our laundry and it
snapped past the car one of the cars and entered
into her house and started morelling our cat inside our house.

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And I swear if I was like one or two
seconds later, our cat would have died. Anyway, I hit
the hit the dog with a hammer, which caused it
to release our cat, and rushed rushed the cat to
the bet, which fortunately for us is just across the road. Anyway,
two major surgeries later, and then another another procedure, and

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nine weeks our cat finally started to get that conic feet,
which was only three weeks ago she she got that
conic feet, and all and all Allkland Councils wisdom, they
decided to return the dog, which is, you know my opinion,
quite anyway, after a serious attack like that, and see anyhow,

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with some restrictions on the dog, like the dog wasn't
allowed in the front property and all that sort of stuff,
and if he was, you'd being breach conditions. And we
were told that the dog would get immediately uplifted on
a breach of any conditions. So fast forward to two
weeks ago, the same dog escaped again into our house

(01:14:28):
and picked up our cat again, and we were actually
lying in bed and I heard it inside our laundry again.
This time it took our cat outside into the shed
driveway and basically shook it like a rag doll and
killed it. So of course we were kind of furious
still am. But just going back four days, which was

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a Thursday, before the second attack, I informed the Auckland
Council of a breach of conditions because that dog was
in their front yard barking really aggressively at the front gate.
So we were informed that there was a breach condition.
After the first attack, I let the Oakland Council know

(01:15:14):
there's been a breach condition, and of course they did
nothing about it. So fast forward that several days from
the Thursday to the Sunday, and the second attack happened
and killed our camps. So, yeah, there's a desert lit
A bit doozy for you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
What's happened to the dog now?

Speaker 9 (01:15:32):
So the dog has been uplifted, We have been told
that it's not going to get returned. The owner still
wants his dog back were as far as we know,
so we're a little bit dumbfounded. I just can't get
the owner's mentality of such a dangerous dog, you know,

(01:15:54):
like the sensible thing would actually after the first attack
with just the thing to put it down and go look, sorry, guys,
you know it shouldn't have happened.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
When Eric, when the dog jumped the fence the first
time and you managed to stop the dog and you
called the council and they returned the dog to the guy,
which you thought was unwise or to the owner. Did
you have was there a hearing when you had a
chance to put forward your case.

Speaker 9 (01:16:24):
No, there wasn't. Actually, we expressed our major concerns with
the behavior of the dog going back a couple of
years prior to the attack on our cat where a
neighbor's cat too, and the neighbors cats have actually disappeared.
And yeah, so, but because they didn't catch the dog

(01:16:48):
with the cat in its mouth, and they only could
identify the dog as it looked like the same dog
that attacked our cat. And I'm not going to mention
any names. Of course, still a prosecution going ahead at
the moment. Well we hope so anyway, So yeah, I
mean there's there's two kits of the neighbors that have

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gone missing.

Speaker 21 (01:17:09):
And then.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Did the count did the council try or attempt to
get the owner next door to increase the fence was
dog proof.

Speaker 9 (01:17:22):
Yes they did, yeah, yeah, exactly, so so what you say.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Yes they did, they did. They did build a bigger fence.

Speaker 9 (01:17:30):
They built a big offence. And then one day the
the neighbors had left their gate wide open, and I
bring the council dog control straight away and said, oh,
the gate's open. You know, what's what's the story here?
And the controlling officer said to me said, doesn't matter.

(01:17:53):
It doesn't matter. The dog's not allowed in the front yard.
It's in the front yard. Some breacher condition wheel uplifted immediately,
So I said, okay, well you know the dog's not
allowed outside of the house and it's only allowed in
their backyard. And yeah, so anyhow, yeah, it was a bit.
You know, it's about rubbish.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Really, you know, that's the trouble with gates. They get
left open, don't they. That's the thing. Gates are in
perfect science.

Speaker 9 (01:18:20):
Well that's correct, but also what's the kind of conditions
when they can be clearly breached when you've got an
owner who's so flippant anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
And look you've got a situation. You got thousands of
thousands of dogs in Auckland. It must just be an
overstaff department, and each dog case must require so many
calls and conversations and paperwork. To me, it's unworkable. I
wouldn't want to be a counsel in Auckland trying to
control those dogs. When you've got to put down over
six thousand a year, imagine the logistics of trying to
contain that, of trying to follow the cases. You've got

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people that are so upset when their dogs get put
down by that guy before the news. It's just it's
just so complicated. I don't know, Well, I don't get
what the solution is.

Speaker 9 (01:19:01):
Well, I think the solution is when your face with
such a danger animal that is predatory nature, that chooses
to escape and are so quiet about its business and
it enters somebody else's own because it knows it's there's
a cat there, then well it's a pretty simple solution
from where I'm sitting, you know. And I think the owner.

(01:19:26):
I think the owner has a problem as well, like
the fact that to us, he can't see that there's
a problem, like a major problem. You know, He's just like,
oh no, it was It's a council's fault that he
didn't let it that they didn't let us put the
dog somewhere else, you know, on a farm somewhere, and
it's like, hang on, it's not the council's fault. It's

(01:19:47):
actually your fault, buddy, because you're not controlling your dog.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Why were you think the council could put the dog
on a farm? What does that mean?

Speaker 9 (01:19:54):
It was his family's farm out of out of the
Auckland area, so it would have actually been another council's problem,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
So he tried to he tried to see the dog
there and like and he wasn't allowed too.

Speaker 9 (01:20:07):
You send us a text messure saying as the council's
fault because council won't won't let us send the dog
to you know, this this other place which is which
is down the line of it from Auckland, and it's like, no,
sorry mate. You know what makes it worse, Marcus, you know,
in all seriousness is this is a guy that should

(01:20:27):
have a greater concern for his immediate community. And I
say it because he's a fireman.

Speaker 10 (01:20:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
I don't want to get too much into the specifics obviously,
because you're before the because you've still got cases there
and that's a bit identifiable, but I appreciate what you've
got to say. Eric, thank you for your call. Oh
eight interesting text, Marcus. A friend who has a vet said,
there's a lot more dogs a text now to due
to intensified housing and landlord's been forced by law to

(01:20:58):
accept pets. So there was a pet bond and the
pit day, there's a pet bond. Now this I can
actually have a rental house if you've got a pet,
which I think probably was a fairly populare in some way,
certainly for dog owners. That took away some of the
stigma and hassles away from not owning your own house.
Nineteen past ten. Ever, Ittt's Marcus welcome as game.

Speaker 24 (01:21:22):
Marcus, I thought it just quickly getting stories out. I
was came back in the seventies, were seventy eight nine,
and anyway, we only so well. We owned one dog,
Dlsatian Skipper, and that nobleman was given to us because

(01:21:46):
their own pas owners were going away moving, so they
came to us and after that we could take care
of them anyway. My baby sister, which at that time
was eleven years old, took them for run up the shop.
But when we used to walk them with Dad. We

(01:22:07):
always had to put the muzzle on them and a
leash always at all times. But this day my sister
took them up the shop on their own and Rebel
the dobleman with this woman. So she gets home with
them and she's panicking, she's crying, and so I quickly

(01:22:32):
leashed him up with them on the runners Rebels in
the front, put him on the run on the front,
Skip goes at the back. Next month, the cops came
and Dad dropped everything at where he had to come home.
And oh but just before Dad pulled one cop, I

(01:22:55):
was putting out from the kitchen, say don't jump the fence.
Kipper was around the back, and the cop jumped the
fence and still came out and bit him on the league.
And then another cop was coming towards the front door,

(01:23:16):
and Rebel comes running out from behind the flex bush.
So yeah, Dad hits comes home and they ended up
taking the hed to put the dogs in the van.

Speaker 10 (01:23:34):
Let him go.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
What happened to the dog?

Speaker 5 (01:23:39):
I think.

Speaker 24 (01:23:41):
I don't know actually what happened to Rebel because he
was a pretty dopey dobleman.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Okay, nice to hear from you either, eight and eight delease,
it's Marcus. Good evening, Oh.

Speaker 32 (01:23:53):
Hio mass, I just wanted a couple of years that
wasn't there for Eska. I was cycling past his house
and the next straight up and two dogs raced out
of it too. Large dogs raced out of the their
gate and chased my bike down to the end of
the next street on my bike, and I got such

(01:24:15):
a fright. When I got home, I rang the dog control,
and the dog control went round to their house and
he rang me later on he said, oh, I spoke
to the owner and while I was there, the owner
of the dogs were friendly, which I seemed friendly to it.

Speaker 7 (01:24:34):
And but the gate was.

Speaker 32 (01:24:36):
Still open and another cycle passed. The dogs raced out
the gate after the other cyclist and down the street
and the owner had to call them back. Look about
court in the.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Act, you know, Well they did they do anything, Denise, No,
they didn't.

Speaker 32 (01:24:55):
They just chased me. I don't think they wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Sorry, sorry, Denise, did they what should complained? And they
saw them court in there? Did they do anything about
the dogs?

Speaker 33 (01:25:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 32 (01:25:07):
And I just told theanna to keep the gates shut.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Any Okay, It's got of frustrating because no gates keep shut.
That's the thing I kept finding surprising tonight that, Yeah,
it all seems unworkable to me because I think you've
got a number of dog owners that appear to be
in denial about the behavior of their dogs. Yeah, so
I feel free kind of a lot of pel ring

(01:25:35):
up with stories wherever if you people got any any
thoughts about what they think should happen, And I'm curious
to know if you've got the ideas about what would
be a situation that could make it better. We've got
an extraordiny number of people dogs, dangerous dogs biting people.
We've got dogs roaming, We've got thousands and thousands and
thousands just an Auckland alone dogs every year in euthandized,

(01:25:56):
which must cause an incredibly heartbreak to people. I mean,
there's no winan putting down dogs, is there. So if
you want to talk eight hundred and eighty eighty text
if you've got them nine to two, nine to truck,
get to a few more of the texts. A lot
of people with breed specific texts, which kind of feels

(01:26:19):
like the dog speciism, kind of feels like the dog's
form of yeah, I don't know, I don't know how
you describe that, because I'm sure there's some traits that
all dogs share that aren't specific to breeds. Marcus. It's
obvious process is to put in place. It's all about
costs to counsel and government, so they both pushed us
under the rug. I would have enforcement departments to ensure

(01:26:42):
proper safety in all regions. Is it's all about emplacement
of department and it costs. You talk about the six
thousand a year need, Well, that's just an Auckland a
year putting down already. That's only because it's just those
who really aren't responsible owners of dogs. This is pivotal.
People let them breed and breed and don't register. That's

(01:27:04):
why uncontrolled breeding from these people so decide you don't
care and they don't understand how to raise such an animal.
It's about resourcing dogs, support departments, regards NC read out
your name. Like a lot of people are talking about
modules at primary school and KINDI to teach children how

(01:27:24):
to behave around dogs. But you know, I don't think
you want to load the teachers up with more modules
to have to do. They're pretty flat out as they are, Marcus.
We need a national reporting website where you can upload
video and report bad dog and owner behavior anonymous. Then
council needs to come down hard. Ben Marcus ol greyhound
has been attacked twice by dogs off lead in our

(01:27:47):
area and he is traumatized by this. He won't walk
our neighborhood, and the owners seem not bothered to be
responsible owners. I don't know what the I don't know
what the situation. I've never been to a dog fenced
off dog running area. I don't know what the protocols
are there, So I presume dogs attack other dogs there,

(01:28:09):
which would be a bit of a minefield, wouldn't it.
Don't know the answer that one. If you want to talk,
be a touch. That's what we're about tonight. Dogs eight
hundred and eighty. But I think the situation you've got,
the moment's not working. It needs to be improved, especially
with roaming packs of dogs. It says like a terrifying headline,
doesn't it roaming packs of dogs. I don't think anyone's
talking it up. I think that's the reality. So that's

(01:28:32):
what we are talking about tonight. I don't know if
people have said license the dog and is it's only
a catch cryer, don't I mean, I'm not entirely I'm
not entirely across the situation now about what you need
to do. I think you've just got to register your dog,
don't you If you want a dog, I think that's
all you've got to do, and sort of do hidethids
and stuff. Arleen, it's Marcus. Good evening, and welcome him.

Speaker 33 (01:28:55):
Marcus.

Speaker 11 (01:28:55):
How are you good?

Speaker 33 (01:28:58):
Typical topic on the dog. So it's just simply if
people would desect their dogs. If you talk to any rescue.
I fostered only for five years, but so many dogs,
so many puppies, they're so too many, too many, and
they need to just desex their puppies. Desex their dogs
and they won't roam, they'll stay home.

Speaker 20 (01:29:18):
And not enough people put.

Speaker 33 (01:29:20):
Collars on their dogs to identify them if they do
get out.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
So many Okay, yeah, I'm looking at what local councils
have a lot of them have. You can be a
good responsible dog owner, which seems to be quite a
good situation, which give you, which gives you reduced fees.
So you get a dog and you get at D
SX which how much would that cost?

Speaker 33 (01:29:43):
Well, it depends if you're in Auckland anywhere from about
two hundred up to eight hundred dollars, okay, and that will.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Stop from there, and that will stop at roaming because
normally their own.

Speaker 10 (01:29:54):
Roaming is fair to find a mate.

Speaker 33 (01:29:56):
Yeah, exactly, a situation.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
That's not the situation where the guy who's the dog
attack the cat next door. That's a different situation, isn't it.

Speaker 33 (01:30:03):
That's different entirely. That's simply like my dog doesn't like cat.

Speaker 20 (01:30:07):
Okay, that's a different thing entirely.

Speaker 10 (01:30:09):
Yeah, So people don't.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
People don't get their dogs desex because they don't think
about the consequences and they can't afford it, and they're
not organized people. Is that what you're saying.

Speaker 33 (01:30:19):
I think it's this organization because they're just cop outs.
They're just people who think, oh, get a puppy, get
a cute puppy, lovely puppy, and they don't think about
when it gets to the age of six to seven months,
it's actually sexually mature to mate. And then between seven
and nineteen months they've already had a first letter, which
is diabolical.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
And I think we all know about parents. One of
the right things kids loving dogs and relationships, scoring a
part and then the dog's not been wanted and going
to a lot of parents grandparenting that with dogs because
the kids get so I mean, there's complicated cases that
it gets complicated quite quickly. From that's my experience of
what's I mean. You think children are complicated, but dogs

(01:31:00):
seem even more complicated because.

Speaker 5 (01:31:02):
They're more complicated.

Speaker 20 (01:31:04):
At least kids you can put into school, yeah.

Speaker 33 (01:31:07):
And daycare and stuff. Dogs stay at home and you know,
people just forget about them or people clean them up,
which is diabolical in itself. I've had dogs in my
hard life or my adult life. I've got only one
of the moments, and I was fostering for various rescues
over the last five six years. So you see it

(01:31:28):
all the time and you think, oh my god, if only,
if only you've got Saving Hope Foundation, which I only
support financially. Sometimes that they have hundreds and hundreds and
hundreds of little puppies born into their care and each
one of those puppies will be defect, every single one
of them.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Here's the question I've offered worried about. And I saw
the condestions were in travel for buying all their kids
sort of gorgeous looking dogs when they were told they
should just get rescue dogs. What's the chance of your
rescue dog being a dud because they've got behavioral issues
from the ways they have been treated.

Speaker 33 (01:32:03):
Well, not funny enough, You've got just as much as
as a pure breed being does as a mixed breed.
The only difference is you know the breed mix in
a pure breed, So when they say pure breed, it's
not necessarily a pure bred dog. It just means they've
been mated with the parents that they know, So like
a foodle is a spaniel poodle, so technically it's a

(01:32:24):
mut okay, and people pay forty thousand dollars for them.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
If you're you're less likely. You're not more likely to
get a dog with behavioral issues. If you get a
rescue dogs one or two years old that's been mistreated,
that you're saying that the odds aren't anymore.

Speaker 20 (01:32:40):
There aren't anymore.

Speaker 33 (01:32:41):
Like what happens is the rescues. Actually, the rescues do
a lot of behind the scenes work on these puppies
and dogs, even older dogs, even up to ten years old,
they still work with them. So with the rescues. They
have no kill policy unless it's critically harmful to the dog.
And so I call them the million dollar pups because

(01:33:01):
you'll see the rescues if you ever go onto Facebook,
and they'll spend thousands and thousands and thousand on fixing dogs.
They had one little old dog which came into care
and that was day of islence. The owner was hanging
in for respite here it was going to be it
was going to die. Basically, it's still alive now and
that was months later.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Another reason the rescues are different from the councils is that, right, yeah.

Speaker 33 (01:33:26):
Rescues are private foundations, so they're funded by pieces of
people like yourselves, like me, who.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Fund them, who think, yes, it's good, But there's still
thousands of dogs being euthanized, aren't they?

Speaker 33 (01:33:37):
Oh yeah, every single day. Because it is a cop out,
because if only the council or the government would help
in desexing programs. The SPCA say they do, and they
hand out fifty bouches a year, fifty and out of
fifty they hand out, they'd be better giving them to
the rescues and saying okay, I'll donate ten of those

(01:34:00):
spays to that rescue and those dogs will get done.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
And it is there any chance is there any chance
it's going to get cheap for anytime soon? Is there
some pill you can give them? Or is it or
is it always going to cost? It sounds like a
lot and it varies a lot, doesn't it between was
it very so much.

Speaker 10 (01:34:19):
As the vetay?

Speaker 33 (01:34:20):
What happens is the rescuers will go to vets they
use regularly, and they will pay us slightly not a
lot different, but they'll pay a slightly lesser rate because
they're dealing with hundreds of dogs, right, puppies, dogs, whatever
it is. But vets are there to make money end
of the day. And so I had a vet nurse
talk to me one day when I said, look, if

(01:34:41):
I won't name the vet, but if this vet can
do this for back then it was three years ago,
ninety five dollars, how can you justify six hundred dollars?

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Okay?

Speaker 20 (01:34:51):
How can you just winy?

Speaker 33 (01:34:52):
And she simply said, because us vet nurses and all
the medication, I think it's the same. It's the same
whether you're giving it or that surgery, the same painkillers,
the same treatment, the same outcome or for the difference.
She couldn't answer me. So it's just about profit for
some VET and they won't help. Other vets will see

(01:35:14):
the cause and donate what I call their time so
they won't charge their alley rates that they charge the
usual clients, which is fantastic. I don't pay. I don't
mind paying more if some of it's going to help
other people, you know, I'd rather. I've donated also for
space and nots on my own privately, for people I've

(01:35:34):
come across and said, oh shoot, okay, I'll put it
into the VET account, so that way you know it's
genuine You know they're genuinely going to get that money,
and they're genuinely going to be able to use it
for the right cause, not spend it on something else
and say, oh I need it for my dog, because
a lot of con people out there as well.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
Yeah, appreciate. We've got to say, Alleene, thank you so
much for coming through. Twenty two away from eleven lines free.
If you want to talk here till midnight, Talking Dogs,
twenty away from eleven er it's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 13 (01:36:03):
Good evening, Oh good evening, Marcus for taking my call.
I've got a really good story to tell you about
pitbull dogs. I own a lifestyle property. I was away
on holiday returned back to my lifestyle property. New people
had bought the lifestyle property.

Speaker 18 (01:36:22):
Next to me.

Speaker 13 (01:36:23):
They own two cattle, four sheep, and two pitbulls. They
have a toddler and two adult children. When I arrived
at my property, I discovered as livestock on my property,
so I decided to go next door meet the new neighbor,
speak to him politely and asked him to get his
stock off my property. He was very abusive. Yes, he

(01:36:47):
did remove the stock. However, outcame his two pitbull dogs.
Now I have had Border Collie I'm up to I'm
a responsible dog owner, and I've had eight over a
period of X amount of years, only owning two at
a time. When I left my property, I went to

(01:37:08):
stay with a friend and I found out from my neighbor.
As I was leaving another neighbor, I decided to talk
to him and say, look, I can't stay at my property.
There's two pitbulls there. I don't want to have my
dogs attacked by his pit bulls. I believe, and this
was said to me by my neighbor, who actually witnessed

(01:37:30):
one of those pitbulls killing one of the sheep that
this guy owned. If that wasn't enough, it also killed
another sheep on someone else's property. It also killed my
neighbor who I was just talking to his chicken. So
I contacted Animal control about this particular dog, and Animal

(01:37:54):
Control went down there and said, oh, there's nothing wrong
with the dogs, call me back, and I said to her, well,
I'm concerned because they have a toddler, and sooner or
later one of those pitfull is going to attack the toddler.
It gets worse, the animals, the other ones, the livestock.
They are on my property all the time, and I

(01:38:16):
am now having to take out a course in junction
against him. Same thing. Animal controls stated, it's offencing issue.

Speaker 23 (01:38:24):
Okay, there are.

Speaker 13 (01:38:27):
Between myself and his property.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
I'm just going to chip in here because I know
the people I know that we're in dog control right,
seem to be very responsible, astute, and sensible people that
can go into a situation and understand it really really clearly.
So I don't understand. Have you got a situation? You
can paint a scenario like that and you can suddenly

(01:38:51):
say that the dog control people didn't understand what's going
That's the that's the disconnect I don't get. Can you
do you understand what's going on there?

Speaker 13 (01:39:02):
I can understand too, and I'm not going to say where,
But Marcus, it is enough Outh Island, okay? And I
have owned this property.

Speaker 10 (01:39:12):
Property.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Why would why would the council's dog control person not
work out what's going on? That's what I don't understand,
because that's.

Speaker 13 (01:39:22):
I have explained to her, like I've spoken to her
many times on the phone. I also explained to her
that I have left for my safety because the owner
was so so aggressive towards me and I had never
met him in my life. I had gone away to

(01:39:43):
see relatives at the top of the South Island and returned.
I knew the property was up to fail next door,
and I returned to meet this aggressive person. And still
his livestock is on my property. And still these dogs
are aggressive. And how much longer is it going to

(01:40:05):
be before one of those pitbull dogs does something to
the little toddler. So yes, I have no idea why
animal control did not uplift both those dogs, given they
had killed two sheep and a chicken. Now that's animal cruelty.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
Have you spoken to the police.

Speaker 13 (01:40:28):
I'm in the process of doing all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
This is just what does in the process mean.

Speaker 13 (01:40:33):
Well, because I have left, okay, because I have left
my own property, and I am nowhere near where the
police are that would govern that area, I have actually gone.
I'm not going to say where I am. And there's
a reason why I'm trying to keep myself safe. Okay.
So I went to the police where I'm staying and

(01:40:56):
they advised me that I need to do it online.
I have tried to do it online.

Speaker 18 (01:41:01):
So now I've.

Speaker 13 (01:41:02):
Decided, I've put my case together. I'm actually working on
it and I am taking it because I've done a
lot of research and I can take out a court
injunction and I'm actually putting on what the Fitball dogs
have done. And when I submit it to the court,
I hope that it will get accepted and then it

(01:41:23):
will go from there. So meanwhile, I am not living
at the property for my safety and for my two
Border collies. One of them is a puppy, so you
can imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Are their fences.

Speaker 13 (01:41:40):
Yes, yes, The people who own the property prior to
these people who have bought it. He was a build
or is a builder, and he put built fences.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
So how how the livestock got from his farm onto
your farm?

Speaker 13 (01:41:59):
He actually cuts the number eight wire fencing. And the
reason why I know this is because there are four
farmers within close props and I say, of my property,
and one of the farmers went down to have a
look at the fence because he also has been giving
me you know, is you know witness and he himself

(01:42:21):
has contacted or control especially we're not.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
Did he see someone cut the wire?

Speaker 13 (01:42:27):
Yes? And it's yes he did, And so he himself
has tried to fix the fence, and every time he
flixes the fence. This guy who owns the property next
to me, because there's myself, this new person, and then
the other chap who's trying to fix the fence, he's
on the other side. So I'm on, I'm on the

(01:42:51):
south side.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Sounds incredibly complicated.

Speaker 16 (01:42:55):
It is it is.

Speaker 13 (01:42:56):
But it's about the dogs who have already killed two
sheep and a chicken. Why were they not removed from
the property because sooner or later it's a toddler there
and it's going through attack the toddler.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
How do you know they putballs.

Speaker 13 (01:43:14):
I've seen them like I thank you, Marcus. When I
arrived back at my property, the first thing I saw
was these put bulls because I came up to the
peak more.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Okay, look, good luck with all of that. And that's
about as much as I can handle. But good luck
with all of that. Thank you for the call. Twelve
to eleven. Oh wait, one hundred and eighty to nighty
Hewart's Marcus. Good eating and welcome Allan Michaels.

Speaker 31 (01:43:38):
So I've got a clear if something really funny. I'm
working at home in America. I see a concrete shift, you,
a lot of music, a lot of podcasts and.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Stuff on my head So, sorry, Hugh, your phone line's
not great. Can you just speak into the microphone and
just speak a bit clearly because I'm struggling to hear
from you.

Speaker 31 (01:43:54):
Okay, here you are?

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
You want to speak on speak or is this clear?

Speaker 22 (01:43:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Better? That's better.

Speaker 19 (01:44:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 31 (01:44:03):
And she's saying it and hilarious conversation with my wife
because I'm working at home on the concrete steps and
getting the near finish, listen to music and podcasts all
the time on my headphones. And she says, do you
walk around the paddicts of those games. He sings in.
I said, Dagi s it would be ridiculous. But I've
just been listening to you guys talking without putting the
right to you. So I put my headphones wrong and
now I'm walking around a planic in Ricky Orangie. How

(01:44:26):
do you levers?

Speaker 9 (01:44:26):
I could do?

Speaker 13 (01:44:27):
You know?

Speaker 31 (01:44:27):
And forty two UITs so far and just while that
lady who was talking about the pitball tears but your shore.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
To fear it.

Speaker 31 (01:44:36):
Classic.

Speaker 19 (01:44:36):
Now.

Speaker 31 (01:44:37):
The thing about being a contract shoot is and in
you sort of a contractor who works on people with properties.
All number one is know where the boundaries are. If
you know where the boundaries are, your reagionable safe working
in an area. That's a perfect because if we don't
know where the boundaries are, you going sort of a

(01:44:57):
property here gone for true pass where you build a
house on the wrong property or something quiet right, there's
a fundamental wall in und in the agricultural sector, like farmers,
that there's an obligation on people to contain their own
stock on their own property. Now buy a stock that

(01:45:18):
could be chickens, geese, dogs, cats, you know whatever, peacocks
and sheep. She didn't carry deer horses. If something comes
over the fence or three offense onto your property, it
then becomes your position.

Speaker 10 (01:45:33):
So you can just shoot it.

Speaker 31 (01:45:35):
So that lady who's got the stock coming onto your
property could just get someone who she knows.

Speaker 20 (01:45:40):
You've got a gun.

Speaker 31 (01:45:41):
Come out and shoot that horse. Not a horse, you
wouldn't eat that, but a catapist a sheep, a date.
Just shoot it and putting your freezer. They going exterial date.

Speaker 10 (01:45:50):
But let's go.

Speaker 31 (01:45:50):
Oh, you're a bit of a bad person. You curled
my animal. You can say, well, your Brits defensive regulations
you let.

Speaker 21 (01:45:56):
Your stock wander.

Speaker 31 (01:45:57):
And the same thing on the road. If you are
on the public road and you run over a street,
for example, you can just stuck in your breage.

Speaker 9 (01:46:04):
It's yours.

Speaker 31 (01:46:04):
Once it's on the turret road, it's not farmer anymore.
Did you know that macus?

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
Yeah I did, But I don't think I don't. I
don't think that that is for most people who are
trying to preserve relationships with their neighbors. One percent correct
is a realistic avenue to go down for most people.
It is probably the most.

Speaker 31 (01:46:32):
Agregeous way to go about it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Well, it's just pouring dynamite on the whole situation, isn't
It's escalating everything it is, And de escalation is always
the best advice in anything. I reckon de.

Speaker 31 (01:46:45):
Escalation is very, very good. I'm a huge fan of
the escalation. I've had to de escalate a couple of
situations when I've been out hunting and I've been callin
Roberts and I've been out I've been accosted by neighbors
who I've called the police, and the situation has become
de escalated. But when someone is totally and utterly reasonable

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abuses you pas the fences least as slock wonder.

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
Well do you think?

Speaker 5 (01:47:11):
Then?

Speaker 10 (01:47:13):
Hang on?

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Yep, it's hard talking to As you walk down hot
I'm breathing, Why is someone going to be cutting fences
that doesn't pass? That doesn't pass the test?

Speaker 24 (01:47:24):
To me?

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
That sounds paranoid. Why would someone be cutting the fences?

Speaker 31 (01:47:28):
Well, I'm going to turn around, and am I going
to look to the south now and I'm looking at
you as a deer farm which is obviously a black
hell far away now? About a chimera and some jokers
went up there and cut about fifty to one hundred
meters of deer fence on a deer farm to let
the deer out so they would have things to shoot.
Now to you and I, that sounds completely irrational, totally unreasonable,

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and not good policy. But these jokers thought that they
had more right to shoot these deer in the world
than the farmer did to have the deer on the property.
And he might have been capturing them from the world.
With deer traps that come in one way, they can't
get out again. So theys got cut down. Fences. So
people do do weird stuff, Marcus, and we just have.

Speaker 20 (01:48:12):
To go okay.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
But also fences break. I think it's surprised that someone
would see someone cutting a fence, yich.

Speaker 31 (01:48:20):
I actually wanted to talk to you about the dog
attacks and this woman getting attacked by four dogs which
she visited her friend.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
Sure, I'm not going to talk about that specific case
because I've no Yes, let's not talking about that. Yeah,
with obvious reasons, I can't. So so I'll talk about
dogs more generally, and I think you'd appreciate that. And
you have to appreciate that because we can't talk about
the specifics and pastal because it's just so grim. But look,
do get in touch. You want to be on air,

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and I look forward to talk to you. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty and nine to nine to
text if you want to be a part of it,
keep those texts coming through. A sorry, go I tell
you what you're wanting, except just talk back. Advice? Would

(01:49:09):
you what terrible advice? Imagine shoulty your new neighbors stock
and it's never going to go well, and no fences
are perfect. You'll understand that. Greetings and welcome Monams. Marcus
hid or tweve o'clock are blizzards in northeastern USA. They
look bad, look really bad. We're talking Baltimore, that seaboard.

(01:49:31):
I guess they'd call it the Eastern Seaboard. Forty million
hour under blizzard warnings, big snowdrops there. So what is
it February? February? It's like their August year. Okay, Now
we are talking dogs and solutions, and there aren't many
solutions we've heard tonight. It all seems to be about

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de sex, in which no one seems to want to do.
There seems to be some very passionate people involved with
trying to help things with dogs. But boy oh boy,
if they got work cut out for them. Central government
seems to not want to do anything. But you've got
common it's about this good some texts dogs treated welcoming,
man and women's best friend, not if they treated badly.

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A few years ago we had a couple of pitbulls
go through three farms in our area. They killed and
named a couple of hundred sheep the farmers or her chat.
As soon as the dog was part of they were shot.
To this day we have no idea where they were
come from. The short way to refer to Andrew man
Batten Winds as exprints Andrew simple, easy, understored, efficient and accurate.
Fair enough. I believe all dogs should be muzzled in public.

(01:50:35):
Thank you. Councils need to get rid of these dogs,
just do it. They have been weak. A hot wire
electric fence would work. Cut cut and electric fence. Good evening,
John AT's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 28 (01:50:46):
Yes, hi Marcus. I just want to share something with you.
You know, I go through do a lot of walking
and I went for a walk.

Speaker 5 (01:50:55):
This is here in christ Church and yeah, I.

Speaker 28 (01:50:58):
Knew this dog was coming towards me with the owner
with her was on a lead, and yeah, all of
a sudden, it started sharing its teeth, you know, growling
at me, and I thought, oh, I'm standing still. And
I stood still still and this dog was going to

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come over. And the lady sort of looked at me
and go, oh, sorry. And that doesn't cut it with me.
You know, some of these owners they should be a
Liabel with their dogs. Now, if that dog would have
got off that lead, I think I would have been
in big trouble.

Speaker 5 (01:51:39):
Marcus.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
What normally happens. Does the dogs comeing to take you
or jump up on you? The owner say, I, don't worry,
it won't hurt you. That's what they always say, don't
there's the dogs clambering over you, which I think is weird.
They've got no they've got no awareness.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
Yeah, it's like she was like.

Speaker 10 (01:51:58):
I had a.

Speaker 28 (01:52:00):
Black top on, you know, and I was with my
wife and when I walk and I was ahead of her.
But it's the attitude like I'm sorry, but this dog
was sharing its teeth and yeah, I had to stand still.
I didn't want to move. Yeah, and she was just

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so casual and I says that dog needs handling properly,
you know, and She didn't even answer me back or nothing,
A just like get out of my way.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
Well at least she was at least she was walking it.
That's a change. I suppose. Did you say it was
on a lead?

Speaker 28 (01:52:40):
I love, I was quite lucky. I didn't see it
on the lead, that all of it lunched, and then
I realized it was in her hand. But she was
sort of laughing like this is well.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
I guess a lot of dog. I guess like a
dog that is embarrassed with the dog. It puts something
in awkward situ are what's what brand?

Speaker 17 (01:52:56):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
What make of dog?

Speaker 28 (01:52:57):
Was it a rock wheeler?

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
Okay?

Speaker 21 (01:53:01):
Yeah, so you know that to me like I was
a dog.

Speaker 28 (01:53:05):
I used to train sheep dogs, so you know, I
know that the ins and outs, and it's up to
the owner to train their dogs. You know, it's simple.
And if they know that their dog is a bit
growley like that, put that bloody muzzle on.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
Ain't put the muzzle on, John, Thank you, Hello, Ken,
it's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 34 (01:53:30):
A few years ago, I used to do a rural
male run and as soon as I started, my boss
said to me, he said, you get in trouble with dogs.
He said, the rules of the post office is all this.
He said that we are supposed to have free access
to the front of the house, but if a dog
comes along and bites you, the post office will automatically

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get that dog put down. And I went through property
one day and this dog came bound and round the
fox Teria. Sorry, Jack Russell, and I wrapped my leg
and the ladys and I said to her straight, I said,
I said, bird, take control of that dog. She said why,
but other said, you won't see it again.

Speaker 10 (01:54:08):
She see what you mean.

Speaker 34 (01:54:09):
I said, that dog bites report mostly put down. Oh
you can't do that, she said, I'm sorry. I said,
that's all of the post of us, and that's what happens.
I went to another place that used to read these
big Italian mastive dogs. There was five one side and
three of the other side of the drive behind the
wire fence which one of the row used to your

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wire fence. They were jumping up and ground and showing
their teeth only and who went there twice? The parcels
I refused to go there will never come out of there.

Speaker 10 (01:54:38):
The word fucking did the fox Terier bite you?

Speaker 34 (01:54:44):
No, got very close to it was about to bite me.
I dropped the parcel on his head.

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
When what they're getting delivered?

Speaker 10 (01:54:51):
Oh, just just paperwork, Okay, appreciate.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
That, Ken, thank you. Dog Stories and Solutions eight text
you got an email seeing those through two Marcus that
news tooks. He'd be goat in z Markus off a
few suggestions. Every prospective dog owner look into the behavior
and unions of the particular breed they are looking for.
They don't know. Whe are course that teaches the family

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how to train their dog and the rules about owning
a dog, including a dog's hierarchy in the family, housing
and appropriate care. People who own dogs learned to train
and care if their dogs probably been on leads and
keeping their dogs housed in the backyard away from children
adults to go about their daily business. When a dog
is registered, this type of education could be made mandatory.
Dogs are pack animals, but need to know their position.

(01:55:38):
Any family or event live with the number of dogs
per household. Dogs can be taught how to behave around
a dog. Children can be taught how to behave around
a dog. Maybe a preschool at preschool and primary school,
these authorities may help. These suggestions may help the authorities
they could focus on the owners of dogs who are
not following the rules. The trouble is everyone's got great

(01:55:59):
suggestions and great plans, but they want to do it
for people that have got no desire whatsoever to do it.
That's the trouble. You've got dog owners that are unwilling
to become great dog owners, that's the problem. And they
try incentives and they try deterrence. It's free hard to
get the mix right. The cost of registration, the cost

(01:56:20):
of fines, all those sorts of things. I've got no
real ideas. Get in touch to be a part of it.
And as I say, if you want to talk about
some other topic tonight, I can handle that for you tonight.
I can do it. So let's be onto it people.
As I say, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
and nine two nine two de text. But yeah, I

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don't envy this government to try and sort out dogs.
I don't think they're capable of it. Actually, I mean
central government just kicks it to local body government and
then says they can't put up rates and they're trying
to work out the dog situation. So it'll be tricky.
But what I do know is the situation at the
moment's not working. The dog attacks and the number of
dogs that are put down, and the number of roaming dogs.

(01:57:05):
Although I think it's a lot better than it once
was roaming dogs. I've certainly worked, walked for miles and
miles and miles around cities in this country, and very
rarely in all suburbs and all towns. Very rarely, if ever,
have I ever had any problem with dogs outside properties.
Almost never. Occasionally you see them, but not often. So

(01:57:31):
some things have gone right. I mean, they're much better
than in goodness I can remember. I shouldn't say goodness.
I mean it sounds ungenuine. If you were a child
of the seventies, you'd go to school and all the
neighborhood dogs would follow you, and there would be dogs
at school all the time that the pound would come

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and collect. You don't have that anymore. The dogs are
a lot better hows than they once were. But the
breeds have changed too. When those days you only bear
dogs for our statans, And then now, of course you've
got the much stronger dogs that no one quite knows
what they thought, although people say they're lovely dogs. But
I mean, there's all sorts of lovely dogs. Aren't there
ones that can pull three hundred kilograms on a sled?

(01:58:19):
Years ago, I was were leaving posty. I was bitten
on the thigh by a dog, not sure the breed.
The dog was put down by the owner, which is
a bit said. I ended up having to have a
Teennus injection because a real bruised thigh.

Speaker 10 (01:58:30):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:58:30):
Someone says white as Bunnings allow dogs. Unbelievable. Someone says
shoot the owner. That's not a practical thing to say,
is it? Because that's not going to happen. Why it's
Marcus Welcome chasing Marcus.

Speaker 3 (01:58:45):
A slightly different twist on the dog ownership. We owned
a German shepherd. I'm going back forty years. The gentleman
had knocked on the door. He was surveying properties for
the ras increases, as they did those days. My son,
teen years old was home on his own. If he
wouldn't allow them through the door, it's the only way
to get into the back of the property. Draw on

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his face. The gentleman then went up to back drive
and climbed over the fence. My German shepherd took to him,
ripped his jacket and I believe the alleged that he
needed stitches in his arm. No outcome.

Speaker 16 (01:59:20):
I happened to know.

Speaker 3 (01:59:21):
I rang the box and told him he had climbed
over a six foot fence. That's an invasion of property.
And the dog lived until she was twenty five. At
that stage, she would have been probably only about ten
years old. She was a well trained guard dog, and
I gave her a stake for what she did that day.

Speaker 10 (01:59:45):
Too.

Speaker 2 (01:59:46):
It's a really strange attitude you've got that a guy
is trying to do his job.

Speaker 3 (01:59:50):
I had no right to come on to the way
he did.

Speaker 31 (01:59:55):
Yeah, I mean, no, he climbed the fence.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
I think you sound Yeah, I mean I just think
you sound you sound reactionary. I think he's a guy.
I'm just saying, how you come across to me. You
come across as someone that's.

Speaker 31 (02:00:11):
Yeah, the dog was great.

Speaker 2 (02:00:15):
I've heard what you said, but you're talking about a
gugging attack by a dog is trying to do his job,
And yeah, I find your attitude towards I just find
what you've said really surprising. But thanks twenty five past eleven.
I think the Kibi commentary for the league is dreadful.
Much before. The Assie teams are the more professional. All
the Aussie commentaries are free knowledge, one technical ours x

(02:00:36):
players who have very little training. Yeah, yeah, I agree
with that. And I don't know if it's just because
you're not used to it, but yeah, I don't like it.
Someone says, agro woman nasty. It was just weird, and
that's there is a with some owners. I've noticed. It's
not there's a very paranoid and defensive attitude. Hello, Mark,
this is Marcus. Welcome Marcus.

Speaker 19 (02:00:59):
I'm sort of in a disagreement with you a little bit,
but not God, we could start out conversation with it.
Hearing all the people complaining about all these people who
are doing illegal things on their property and letting dogs
kill their animals, I'm worried that people. I mean, I'm
anti gun and I'm not a violent type person. I'm

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very peaceful. I'm worried about these people who don't do
anything to stop them, Like they have every right to
go get a gun themselves and shoot any animal that
is killing off their pets if it's on their property.
I can't understand why people don't do that.

Speaker 2 (02:01:36):
Sorry, I've lost I've lost your out What don't you understand.

Speaker 19 (02:01:40):
I don't understand why people don't stand up for their
rights when these animals come from these people who don't
care about them, When their animals come onto the property
and kill their own animals, why don't they just go
to a gun and shoot them.

Speaker 2 (02:01:53):
I haven't heard much of that tonight.

Speaker 19 (02:01:55):
Well, it's all it's been about. Really, It's been about
people who have neighbors who are disturbing the peace and
their animals are causing problems, killing other animals, their own animals.

Speaker 2 (02:02:06):
No, there's one guy with the cat. But I would
think most people in urban areas wouldn't have firearms.

Speaker 19 (02:02:13):
No, I know that, But there's a couple of cases
that I heard tonight, and I.

Speaker 2 (02:02:18):
Don't think legally in an urban area you could probably
discharge a firearm and kill an animal.

Speaker 19 (02:02:25):
Well, a couple of cases. I'm sure I heard that.
It's out on the farm, and there's one. But you
can farm.

Speaker 2 (02:02:31):
You'd be met with a new neighbor to start shooting
their dogs.

Speaker 19 (02:02:35):
Well, it's a neighbor has got their dogs who are big.
Some some dogs are big. I'm pretty sure some of
them were who come across the property line and kill
their own pets or animals.

Speaker 2 (02:02:49):
Well, a situation where that one woman that rang that
the dogs were killing his own pets, his own sheep.
The dogs were killing the sheep of the dog owner.

Speaker 19 (02:03:03):
Oh okay on that one. But there's public cases that
i've heard where people are.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
Mark, you would be you would be mad in this
world to kill your neighbor's dog.

Speaker 19 (02:03:17):
Well, if it's killing my dog, I would kill it.
Why wouldn't you have every right to protect your own property.

Speaker 2 (02:03:24):
Well, I don't think you've got right to kill I
don't think you got right to I think it's a
different situation. It's a farmer wearing stock. But yeah, I
mean I don't know. I don't know what your situation is.

Speaker 19 (02:03:33):
Mark, But I'm known in near farms or anything. I'm
nothing to do with it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:37):
You're one of these armchier experts, are you that?

Speaker 19 (02:03:40):
No, I'm not an arm tier expert. But it's just
what i've heard tonight. People's animals are coming from the
neighbor's place and killing their animals. That's what i've heard tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:03:49):
Well, there's that one situation where the guy with a cat,
but he's not going.

Speaker 19 (02:03:52):
To a cat's far more than that I've heard farm
more Matt to I've just been a few cases that
big dogs coming over from the neighbor's property.

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
No, there was the one with a situation the animal
was killed. Was it with a It was with a cat.
The dog had come across and then he'd complained to
dog control, and then they hadn't done enough, and then
it came back and found the cat again.

Speaker 19 (02:04:19):
Yeah, well that's what I mean, if I had sight
of it. I'm anti gun, Like I said, I'm anti gun.

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
Well, yeah, you even got a pet or a gun,
but if animal killed your pet, you'd shoot it. I
mean it does sound very hypothetical.

Speaker 19 (02:04:34):
Yeah I would.

Speaker 2 (02:04:35):
Why not because were You're not in that situation, because
you haven't got a gun or a pet.

Speaker 19 (02:04:40):
I know I'm not in that situation, but if I was,
I would because that is the right of people to
protect their property and their animals.

Speaker 2 (02:04:46):
I don't think it is. I don't think I don't
think it is the right. You don't think anyone just
willingly shoot something else's animals.

Speaker 19 (02:04:51):
Well, well, farmers do it every day. If they have
something coming out of the killing their animals, they shoot them.

Speaker 2 (02:04:56):
Yeah, it's a different situation. If you're on farms.

Speaker 19 (02:05:00):
Really, an animal is an animal. If your animal, it's
yours and you look after it.

Speaker 2 (02:05:06):
I think I don't know what the legal rights, so
I presume farmers have rights to kill dogs that are
harming their lives. But I'll check up on that mark.

Speaker 19 (02:05:18):
Yeah, I can't understand.

Speaker 2 (02:05:20):
I'll check that up twenty three away from twelve o'clock
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and nine to nine
two to text. I am interested in people listening on
AM rather than NEPHIM and there's always been a fascination
of mine because we grew up someone where you couldn't
get FM, been in a valley or something. So it's
always been surprised at how many places in Auckland behind

(02:05:40):
volcanic cones cannot pick up the FM and are stuck
on AM. Marcus on your question about why people still
listen to AM, some people might have difficult to get
in the FM, clearly another reason people might like the
sound of it, depending on your radio. Some of an
option for wide band AM, which can make the sound
quality clearer as to why it's still here, that it

(02:06:02):
could be for an emergency backup to ensure everyone gets
the relevant information helping enjoyed the program tonight. I think
also it might be done with car radios. Well, no,
because z be's not affected in Auckland by the band expander.
Was it eighty nine point four? I think the band?
I think the Jetcas finished on ninety, don't they you?

Speaker 9 (02:06:22):
Burry?

Speaker 2 (02:06:22):
It's Marcus good evening.

Speaker 8 (02:06:24):
Oh I had done good, Barry?

Speaker 2 (02:06:26):
How are you going?

Speaker 10 (02:06:26):
All right?

Speaker 8 (02:06:27):
I'm not so bad for an all good but this
is a good story about the dog and says some
of these other ones you've had tonight. Well, a few
years ago, my wife had a stroke and she was hospitalized.
She was in hospital for a bit ten days, and
on day seven I took the dog to the hospital
and took it into the ward and it jumped straight away,
jumped up on the bed and got happy again because

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it was planning because she wasn't here. Wow, and the
actually are alerted to all in the house for you anyway,
A let her take dogs and into the ward to
see the sick people. Oh yeah, you have to ask
that them, the ward sister or whatever they call them.
Permission first, your permission, yep. And as long as they

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don't poop on the floor, but you shave the plastic
bag thing around the lead so that if it does
have they've ever a whoop, so you can sort of
get straight away.

Speaker 2 (02:07:24):
So there's dogs. So there's dogs in the hospital.

Speaker 8 (02:07:26):
Now, well it's I don't know how long it's been aloud,
but this was in what it was twenty twenty actually,
so it was six years ago.

Speaker 2 (02:07:34):
Good on your Barry, Thank you for that. George, Marcus, welcome,
are there, George? George from them back to rest. Be
in touch if you want to talk on eight hundred
and whatever. And George, see there's Hamnet films getting out
of a ward, doesn't it. It's going to be a
good one or not. Craig gets Marcus.

Speaker 6 (02:07:55):
Good evening, Good evening.

Speaker 23 (02:07:56):
Haw's a game.

Speaker 2 (02:07:57):
Good thank you, Craig.

Speaker 23 (02:07:59):
A couple of things. First, dogs go. I mean a
lot of the problems to be put on the owners.

Speaker 2 (02:08:03):
I mean, the day that is trained, all of it, people,
all of it needs to be put on the owners.

Speaker 23 (02:08:08):
I was trying to be diplomatic, but yeah, it's got
to be on the owners because I mean, at the
end of the day, you've got little pups or whatever
her but like little babies sort of unknown what to
do in the world. I mean, I wonder a lot
of these people probably don't take their dogs to puppy
school and get them to associate with other people and
dogs and stuff like that. Possibly there's a lot of things,
but quickly it's going to inter.

Speaker 2 (02:08:29):
I think a lot of people get dogs in chaotic ways.
One of their mates has a litter and they get
offered one, and they think, yeah, that's cute, they fall
in love with it, and not a lot of thought
goes into getting it. That would be my that would
be anecdotally my understanding.

Speaker 10 (02:08:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (02:08:42):
I think of a lot had to do with COVID too.
When you're stuck at homeber I was like, oh, it's
buy a dog for the kids. And then later on
ever and goes off to work and off the school
and poor dogs stuck behind the fence all day by
itself not been socialized. So there's a lot of things.
But now that is going to quickly say, it's with
the am I've done. I work for a company that
does a lot of work with her aid, isn't it
over the years And with FM it's a shorter wave link,

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so it tends to bounce the buildings and stuff like that,
whereas AM does try a lot further than FM, so
I guess depending on where you are and what structures
around as well, hills or buildings and that AM can
actually go further. But yeah, it's interesting learning how they
all work in that. But yeah, good show tonight anyway,
enjoying the lie.

Speaker 2 (02:09:21):
I just wonder how many people on FM and Auckland
on FM can are restricted because of all the volcanic
cont and things. I think it proud be quite difficult
for people.

Speaker 23 (02:09:31):
Yeah, well, FM does have a tendency to bounce of
buildings and stuff like that, and if you're if you're
in a really really bad spot, you can get a
signal from the station and the reflection of a building,
which then causes a lot of noise and stuff like that.
Whereas AM tends to be a little bit less prone
to that, but it does addy downside AM, it does
pick up a lot of noise like electric fences and
things like that. So it's each of them have their
own good and bad points. But I guess in some ways,

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if they keep both going and that maybe that. But
I guess a lot of older people may have older
intager adas, which probably don't do FM, but they still
want to keep and use it.

Speaker 2 (02:10:04):
So what would you have an areal for you? Is
that you just have any aerial for FM? Would you?

Speaker 8 (02:10:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (02:10:09):
Like on FM, normally you've got a tower with an
aerial on top of it. In the ERA is THEFM,
whereas AM the whole tower is the aerial. Which is
they normally painted like red and white or whatever. I
think it's international standard or word to let people know
what they are. But yeah, it's quite interesting how they work.
But a lot of AM ones you don't really need

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any aerl sort of inside the radio. Yeah, it's quite interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:10:33):
Okay, nice to hear from you, Craig. You have a
good night. Thank you for your words. Affording to twelve hurd, John,
this is Marcus.

Speaker 6 (02:10:39):
Good evening, Yeah, good evening, Marcus. Now look there's no
bad dogs, Marcus. There's bad owners. No bad dogs, bad owners. Now,
if you have a dog, I think this is the
legal thing. One second dog leaves your property, you've got
to have it on a lead and you've got to

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have it muzzled wherever.

Speaker 19 (02:11:02):
You take it.

Speaker 6 (02:11:03):
I was twenty five years in an inspector with the
after up An orphan There and you'd go around to
some places and they'd have these dogs. Apparently there's something happens,
and you know when they when they're on the property
and they're on a bloody lead all the time and
they're straining on the lead and they get something, some
sort of madness or something. But you'd go around to

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some houses and this bloody dog he'd be on the
full length of the chain and really performing. Is if
we wanted to eat you and the owner had come
out and the first thing they'd say, oh, he won't
hurt you. And they had no control on.

Speaker 10 (02:11:42):
Classic Yeah, for example, So we were always were you were.

Speaker 2 (02:11:48):
You actually a dog? Were you a dog control officer?

Speaker 24 (02:11:52):
No?

Speaker 16 (02:11:52):
I was.

Speaker 6 (02:11:53):
I was a plumbing and drainage and building and speech.

Speaker 2 (02:11:55):
Oh I understand you.

Speaker 6 (02:11:56):
So I had clearly are places where there was dogs.
But you know if you have a dog as well.
We always had Doateman dogs and we done a teenacre block,
but we never had them chained up and they never
left the property. And they hate possums, of course, kill
those possums. But if people came around to read the

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meat or anything, if you mean, who came around and
we were wandering around those datmens never took any notice
of them. But I used to say to them, look,
you're right now, but don't come back after bloody duck
sneaking around because they just change, you know. I mean
that's when they protected the place when you're inside sleeping.

Speaker 10 (02:12:39):
But no.

Speaker 6 (02:12:41):
The other thing is if you have a dog and
you're in town, you're supposed to get the lead out
and put the muzzle on. And you said take it
for a walk every day. And if you don't walk it,
you get some professional dog walker.

Speaker 2 (02:12:56):
Yeah, and everyone with a dog knows the dog needs
to be walked, and so many don't do it.

Speaker 10 (02:13:01):
I mean it is cruel, Oh terrible, it's terrible.

Speaker 6 (02:13:05):
It's shocking. And as I say, there's no bad dogs
as dogs that are frustrated and they're locked on sex.
And I don't like those rock wheelers of course, mind
they had a rock wheeler down the back, but he
got a he got a dobam and he's got a big,
big right away section.

Speaker 2 (02:13:24):
And even though you ring up and say that there's
no such thing as big dogs, but we're still in
a situation where it seems to be getting worse and
worse and worse. There's more and more dangerous dogs, and
there's more and more dog attacks, and there's more and
more dogs. Thousands of dogs get euthanized every year, which
is no fun for anyone. That's horrible.

Speaker 18 (02:13:40):
I no, I agree.

Speaker 6 (02:13:41):
I agree with you one hundred percent, but.

Speaker 10 (02:13:45):
Uh e reason.

Speaker 6 (02:13:48):
As far as cats go, I mean, they take them
into the Speca and you can get a you can
get a dog at the Specia as well, or they
go into the pan and you can get one. But
I always think with these vets, we've got a seventeen
year old cat, sometimes she gets clawed and it's about

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two hundred and fifty bucks or two eighty or was
four hundred dollars last time because they go septic. But
what I really get annoyed about these people that have
some of these tompkits that haven't been fixed, and they'll
come around and they'll ur ight, you ain eight outside
your back door, and it's just stinks. Die heaven. I'll
tell you what I do with them. I got a

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cat trap, and I trap. Once I got them in
the trap, I hose the hell out of them. I
hose them like you wouldn't believe in ear of them.

Speaker 2 (02:14:38):
Go they come back.

Speaker 21 (02:14:40):
No, they never come back.

Speaker 2 (02:14:42):
Good one and John, nice to talk to you. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:14:44):
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