Stationary wobbles (5 May 2026)

Marcus talks about fried chicken chains, and whether MMP is up to snuff.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Marcus Lush Night's podcast from News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Greetings and welcome. Gosh, you wonder the wisdom of working
in a fireworks factory, don't you, because it always seems
to go bad so often. I know. Once upon a
time International magazine tried to work out the least surprising headline,
but to me, it would be people die in fireworks
factory because gosh, although in that competition the headlines for

(00:36):
the most unsurprising headline where economist dies and earthquake South
America no casualties. But yeah, anyway, so I'm just putting
that as an out there jeepers, creepers. How are you going? People?
What's happening? It feels like Wednesday, but it's Tuesday. I'm
here till twelve. Greetings and welcome for topic night tonight, one, two, three, four,

(00:58):
Line them up, You pay your money and you take
your chance. That's the way it's going to be. That's
the way it's gone. Who's that song from first question?
Easy one to get you going. I don't know if
I've got this one wrong, but I'm going to put
it out there. What's with Popeye's Chicken? Because every time

(01:23):
I drive to work there's a Popeye's Chicken, which is
new in Invercargo. It's been here about well, maybe about
six months to a year. And across the road is KFC,
and KFC always has a full car park and a
full drive through because I think farmer folk after a
day in the sheds think, oh, I feel like KFC,

(01:43):
and they drive it in their Toyota high Lucks and
they cure and they get chicken and they love it.
When they go back home and they watch rugby or
I don't know what, they watch Game of Thrones and
they're happy Popeye there's no one there because when at
first open, I thought Popeye was going to be the
new standard, that people were going to go to Popeye

(02:03):
because they preferred it to KFC because less greasy. And
I mentioned this on here about six months ago, and people,
I've got it wrong that the Popeye is the og,
It's fantastic, It's for every good and that I just
had to and that I just had to get used
to it. Maybe the people of the Cargo had to too.
But have I missed a trick here because of the
people I've had it with their cars and their driver.

(02:24):
No one's going there, So could someone just quickly tell
me if I got this run wrong? Or is KFC
actually a lot better? So, yes, that's the first thing
I want to cover off today because I was curious
about that. And I'm curious about that because I keep
saying to the kids, do you want to get a put?

Speaker 4 (02:36):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:37):
They can't stand it, So there we go. I might
have got that one wrong, but last time it was
a big response, so I'm just put that out there.
Do I have to reconsider Popeye and what makes it
so good? I'm not a a fried chicken zealot, but
I do like to know what's going on with people.
I do like to know what people rate and don't rate.
So if you tell me about that, just call me quickly.

(02:58):
Have I got that one wrong? It was a choice,
which is better because it seems to be the only
two franchises we've got for chicken. You got your KFC,
you your Popeyes, and then you've got your Nandos, which
is pretty much a kind of the rest is extraordinary. Oh,
I love that very much, But there's not down it's
not Indneed and it's not in Vercago, and I think
it's in Queenstown. Either it's an Auckland treat. But if

(03:20):
you want to respond quite quickly that that's the first question.
So if there's two opposite each other, you haven't going
to drive further for one? Which one do you go to?
Just let me know about that could all seemed to
be quite hyped out when it came up. I just
wonder if it perhaps hasn't delivered. Speaking of hasn't delivered,
I will keep you posted on the hor mos straight tonight,

(03:42):
but get in touching you on to it just quickly
tonight because the other things I want to talk about
are cell phone addiction and MMP thirty years on? Are
we happy it has been an earthquake? Cooks Beach? You
wouldn't think that would be a quaky place, would you.
So I've gone to the g NET straight away. Oh yes,
four minutes ago. They're right, there has been a quake.

(04:05):
Is one nine minutes ago and that's the one I
think people are talking about. And I'm on the map
now to have a look at that map. I'm on
the map to look at that map. Thanks for those
people that text me straight away about that too. So
this is the quake. It's been quite a big one.
It's a five point five one hundred and thirty k's
north of Takaha, so it's at sea. So it's at sea.

(04:28):
So if you go from Mere Island, sorry, the Mercury
Islands out across east and above Fakatane, that's where it
would be. So if you felt that quite give me
a call now. So I already we've got two topics.
It's a big quake, that's a five point five I reckon,
and it's widely felt. It's been felt. So if you

(04:49):
go to Lotten's Point at the top of his cape
and you go right around there up to Great Barrier,
all around there people have felt that. People two people
have marketed extreme forty four of marketed as moderate moderate
so AFC Yeah, KFC. Just reading about the shakes, Good Shaken,

(05:12):
the Mandal eight o'clock earthquake, Mandel four point three quake,
on Great Barrier earthquake, cooxs Beach KFC. Someone said the
Doors were addicted to KFC. You don't hear much about
the Doors anymore. For a band that was considered one
of the greatest bands thirty years ago, they've kind of disappeared.
But haven't they I mean, I know that they're dead,

(05:33):
but it does make you wonder why all the other bands?
I mean, where are the Doors tribute groups? I mean,
why wouldn't you form a Doors tribute group called I'd
call it Light My Fire? What would you call a
Doors tribute band? Would you call it? What would be
a good name for that? Would be something humorous, wouldn't

(05:56):
it like a pun on Doors? You Maxi's Marcus Welcome,
good evening, Good evening.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Just calling about of all the important things in the world,
the KFC and Popeyes conversation.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Well, it's one of the important things that we can
do something about because we can't do much about the
whullbooz strait. So yeah, I'm hearing you.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
Here's the skinny on Popeyes and KFC and Nando's. So
in America, McDonald's is always the same. No matter where
you go, you're gonna get the same thing KFC versus Popeyes.
Popeyes is a premium brand. It is much better, except
KFC is inconsistent. So if you're in America, you'll say

(06:37):
I like Popeyes more than KFC unless you get a
good KFC, then they're always better. The KFC's in New
Zealand are there are the best, So I don't know
how Popeyes is going to compare, But that's the skinny.
KFCs are inconsistent. So when I lived in Los Angeles,
you would say, ah, KFC is terrible, except for the

(06:59):
one on the braa that oh yeah, yah, that's great.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
That's a KFC.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
So I'm inclined to agree with your KFC when it's good,
is very good, but it's inconsistent, Whereas in New Zealand
it's mainly pretty good. Therefore it's gonna be much more
flavorsome and juicy and better than Popeyes here.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
I haven't had Popeyes here. Popeyes is consistently considered the
gold standard of fried chicken, that's all. So you'll always say, oh,
Popeyees is better, except someone will say, unless there's a
good KFC, and then KVC is better. And we've got
some the best ones here. They're delicious in New Zealand,
so I don't think Popeyes will compete.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
How do you know this? So good hits? I think
you're right.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
Yeah, that's that's just the way. That's just the truth,
and that's the way it's been since I was a kid.
I grew up there, and you know, Popeiees is always better.
But then someone pop up and say, ah, but there's
a good KFC over on that street. Oh okay, then
they'll go to that one.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
But you'd be American. Yeah, but you've been to a
lot of KFC's here, right.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Yep, and they're better here. They're the best ones. They're
the ones, the ones that are here. I go to
the one on Linn excellent. I know that's in christ
Church and it's a It's delicious.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Because I think the chicken has grown. Do you think
we have better chicken?

Speaker 5 (08:16):
I don't know what it is. It's just it's the
it's the flavor, it's juicy, it's lovely. But if you
go to America and you go to a KFC you'll
be quite disappointed. And a lot of them because they're
very inconsistent, they're soggy, and they're just not good.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Of course, you're a very good to talk about all.
Have you got other specialist topics?

Speaker 6 (08:34):
You know?

Speaker 5 (08:34):
And I cannot believe I'm calling you a talk bag,
but you're talking about a topic that's very clearly.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Talk about your passion and goss the love of it
comes Call of the Night straight away Mexo. He's right, though,
I reckon it's better Peter, this is Marcus good evening, say.

Speaker 7 (08:53):
Morning after that, Marcus, the doors hinges.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Che gpt it would you then hinges of the frames
or the the windows would be more transparent or the
yeah okay or the.

Speaker 7 (09:13):
Yeah you couldn't have the knobs though.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
No, well that's been ahead I think, but yes, yeah.

Speaker 7 (09:18):
Yeah, the hinas are a good one.

Speaker 6 (09:21):
I kind of like that.

Speaker 7 (09:21):
I would probably go see that or performing it off.
I had to skill.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Because there was a while there in the eighties when
we had the Doors revival and people listen to that
double About album in their bedrooms with the lightning and
the thunder, and it did seem transformative.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (09:35):
I think those kind of days are kind of maybe
just slipped on a bit, but they'll come back when
the dark and gloomy side will come back at some stage,
throwing in the salt of winter. So it was still
got a good month before we put on those tracks.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
I think the Doors, I think the Doors genius has
been somewhat challenged by Val Kilma being Jim Morrison and
sort of part of Val Kilma's difficultness coming across of
that movie. I think it's probably tainted Jim Morrison's legacy.
But anyway, it's cool and I have.

Speaker 7 (10:14):
To agree for hardly with your last caller on the
Kosie Popeye thing. I'd like the Popeyes Burger, but I
like the KFC's chicken and in the macaroni cheese, well
that's not chicken, so you can't even class it. And
they and in the area, but definitely KFC's chicken, but

(10:37):
Burger's at Popeye.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
I wonder why they.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Made such a song and dance about it and got
the chicken so ordinary.

Speaker 7 (10:45):
I don't know. I think the chicken is very much
like the supermarket Louisiana take out.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yes, it's very much like that, but it's it's easier
at home because you haven't got them. And that's that's
a pretty good product that even there's there's one of
the organic brands, does one that I forget what it
gets a chicken that's like that too. That's every good.

Speaker 7 (11:09):
But yeah, dare I say it? The four Square Charlie's Chicken,
plane fried chicken and chips is probably on power of KFC.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Sometimes hang on, we've got a four what what what's that?
What's that called?

Speaker 7 (11:25):
So it's Charlie's Chicken and there's a deep fried chicken. Right,
there's something spissible. But I think that's better than Popeyes.
I just it just tastes nicer. It's it's close to
a good KFC, you know, when you're feeling the neat
for a good feet but it's at corner the.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Price and that will be that will be in the
ring a tick do a good one. That's the one
I've got. We get occasionally ring a tick butter of
ten lines? Is it? Is it so hot in the warmer?

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (12:00):
So the a lot of the four I just noticed
a lot of the four Squoys have them. It's just
your normal, you know that the little Bayrie and they
just have the chicken and chips running most most four
Squeeze and Wellington region have them. So I'm not quite
sure about the rest of the island.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
But we've got a four square and bluff. It's pretty
good and it's got chicken. But I think it's called
Charlie's Chicken. It was it called Charlie Chicken?

Speaker 7 (12:21):
Yeah, it's called pretty sure, it's Charlie's Chicken. I've known
as Charlie's chicken, but it might be called some of
Gales down your way, But the recipe seems to be
the same. And and all the four squares that I've
had a chicken and chips. Not saying no, I eat
a lot of chicken and chips, but if you know
what I'm saying, it's it's pretty standard recipe.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
What's another one country style chicken that the rural dairies.
Have you ever tried that?

Speaker 8 (12:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (12:49):
I think it's that's just an older blend. But I
but you're right, the country style chicken along those lines,
but it's.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Not is that what it's called. I'm seeing signs outside dairies?
What's that chicken outside?

Speaker 7 (13:01):
You're probably one hundred percent right market, there's probably Charlie's
Country fried chicken. It's probably from the same brand. But
you know how they just renamed things to.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Remember, I can't remember something. Tell me what it's called
that stuff that's done the dairy. Is it called country
style or it's quite Yeah?

Speaker 7 (13:17):
Okay, bring back the old home style then we that
it'll put the CAFC Popeyes to sleep.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
I don't disagree with you, Thank you, Peter. I appreciate
all of that. Twenty one. What was that one that's
called home? Yeah, I don't think chet GPT really got
the idea of naming a doors tribute band, you know,
called it band the Carnival Organs?

Speaker 9 (13:41):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (13:42):
I mean cheapest creepers anyway? Text me if you can people,
Oh wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty and nine nine,
text Popeye's Burger, Good Lovely Chicken, KFC, nice more decadent, gressy.
Charlie's Chicken is a franchise. You see it in dairies
or even food caravans. You should be supporting your locally

(14:03):
owned shops, not the American franchise Fast Through. Don't shoot
on us. We don't do shots. We don't do shots.
But yeah, what is that one called it? Dairies the Chicken?
If you knows more about that, I'd be interested about that,
You know, I can. I can almost visualize the sign
put me out of my misery. People. It's like if

(14:23):
you go to a local country dairy, they've got to
sign out about something chicken, and it'll be a billboard
out in the front of the shop. It's it's their own.
It's like a fried chicken that they see of hot.
Is it called home style? Because I can't really you
don't know how my mind works. I can't move on this.

(14:44):
I've actually answered one of my questions. Otherwise it'll preoccupy me,
preoccupy me. It might be the right word. I can
almost visualize the billboard out We're not the billboard, the
sign outside the front of the shop. Country fried chicken.
Thank you so much people, because I reckon that's pretty good.
Who knows about country fried chicken? I said country style,

(15:04):
that country fried. I think that's still a big thing,
is it. Yes, it's got the picture with the man
with some chicken ah carrying it. I'm looking at their
store finder. Maybe that's America when I found anyway, twenty
three past eight get in touch country style chicken, red

(15:26):
and white chicken sign Yes yes, mister flight. While on
Singapore two thousand and two, stayed the night and explored
during l Camacross Popeyes. I tried it. It was so nice,
bit spicy and perfectly fried. It's called country style chicken. Varren,
there we go. By the way, this earthquake was eight seconds.

(15:48):
By the way, someone else I shouldn't say, stop saying.
By the way, there's a chicken called Cools with a quay.
I've never heard of that. You might know something about that,
but yeah, but if Popeye's disappointing, that's the question. And
Cool's chicken. By the way, with those chicken places I
was talking about, there's sixty in New Zealand. There's sixty
country fried chickens. It's a big thing. We never talked about,

(16:11):
never advertised as much, but all around the country. The
US one at Hamner, I spent some time at the
Long Cabin. I think it's closed now, which is heartbreaking.
Hold your horses, Malcolo with you and soon. Hello, Tim,
this is Marcus. Good evening, got you there, Tim.

Speaker 10 (16:27):
Yeah, hello Marcus.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
You will yeah, very good. Thank you Tim.

Speaker 10 (16:30):
You well, no, I'm very well mate. Weird day, bit
of synchronousy going on. So I just make my way
back to Tapooky and I was up the pack and
Saving tower on on Camra Road, and I was making
them away round in a pretty leisurely fashion and realized
that I was grieving out to the doors like my

(16:52):
fire oh wow being played on the supermarket track, and
I thought, well, that's a bit special. Really, you wouldn't
have had that well I'm going to say, you wouldn't
have had. I can't say I've had a fire and
a supermarket.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Ever, never, ever, ever, I'm becking never, not once, not once.

Speaker 10 (17:12):
Yeah, and it was pretty special.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
It's a long side. You do a whole shop to.

Speaker 10 (17:16):
That, oh Mad. I got around, you know, probably four aisles,
and I don't make my way around quickly, you know,
it's just at a nice pace because I was able
to do that. So I got the whole song, and
so that was interesting. And then I've heard that obviously
on the showers I'm driving home.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
And then you just had Popeye's Chicken head.

Speaker 10 (17:41):
You well, no, no, because there isn't one in Towering
or Tipooky. But I was up having a cup of
coffee at Starbucks and Brookfield today and I know the
girls did pretty well, and I was talking to one
of the girls there, the manager, and she was telling
me about Popeye's Chicken how it's owned by the same

(18:06):
kind near the Danes Starbucks and some other brand, and
I said, no, I've never had it. I said, I
see a bit of a you know on YouTube thing
on there.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Tim, I'm going to just revisit what you're saying. He
because I think there's some interesting points to pick apart there.
So Tom, Yeah, Tahoa Group is a Tahoa Group owned it.
They're the ones that own Starbucks and all those ones.

Speaker 10 (18:28):
Yeah, okay, so yeah, I think there's one over rode
a room maybe, which is well, it's not odd, let's
just stay because that's they've got a Carl Junior over there.
I guess it's a sort of a test bed, you know,
for new brands. Anyway, that's sort of by the way.
But so yeah, we got onto the chicken thing, and

(18:50):
I'm listening to that all the way back to Tapooky
and I thought I've got something to contribute here. I
haven't had it, but i've I've certainly there was a
chicken set up in a dairy down here. So I've
looped around the block and on the outside the Mayfair
ice cream parlor at one twenty seven Cameron Road, and

(19:11):
there's the Country Fried Chicken sign in the window. I mean,
I'm still sitting in the car and like probably twenty
meters away as the glowing like chicken is it?

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Because you see the sign all the time. I don't
know who eats it.

Speaker 10 (19:25):
It's always there, I tell you, what it goes off
because it's Kiwi threat season down here at the moment. Obviously,
there's a lot of people in town.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
And where the markets from. They like their chicken, do they?

Speaker 10 (19:38):
Well, I'll tell you what, it's just an fdential fact.
And they're great people. They see them around town and
big numbers of the people with Vanati. They get down
here and they hook into this country fried chicken. They
love it. They love it, and it's.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
From They always look so cold.

Speaker 10 (19:59):
Well, it is strange. You'd think they would not handle
it too well, but they seem pretty acclimated.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
What if I see the central tag were wandering around
south and they always seem they wouldn't wooll and be
They must must be hot in Vanawa too.

Speaker 10 (20:14):
Yeah, well pretty maybe that's why they get the hot chicken.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
I go live with there, Tim, thank you? What about
this hot honey? I've never heard of hot honey till
last night, asked the kids. Tonight, Malcolm, good evening.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
Good evening, Marcus, Malcolm here him Malcolm. No, it's actually
really good to be back because I've been banned for
two months from wringing your number. But that's not the point.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
That's not what who bend you. Malcolm, it wasn't you.
Did you say? Did you say?

Speaker 4 (20:52):
Be Well, yeah, I'm in Wellington, so you know I
just made a complaint about one of your presenters. I'm
not going to see what it was. This is the
first time I got through in two months i've been.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
But if you're a ben But Malcolm, if you'd been banned,
right and you got back through and got I'm not
familiar with anyone. I'm not familiar with anyone being banned.
But if you didn't get banned.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Well, no, my number was disconnected. They wouldn't accept my course.
That's not the point.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
But malcolmist But Malcolm's just take a bit deeper. If
you were banned, right, If I was banned from a
talkback show, right and I got back on, the first
thing I wouldn't say was I've been banned. I can't
believe I got back on because that would immediately make
the host thing hang about. This guy's a bit of
a loose.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Unit ever since I made an official complaint.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
But Malcolm, you're understanding what I'm saying. Are you listening?

Speaker 4 (21:48):
I know what you're saying. I didn't get notification but
for two months now, But.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Why would you go? But why would you got back through?
One ear? Would you say you were banned?

Speaker 7 (21:57):
Well?

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Put it this week the moment I made an official complaint.
For two months, I was unable to use this number.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, but what I'm saying is if you got banned
and you got back through, surely you'd be cocker hope
you back on. You wouldn't say, oh, I've been banned,
because they would have ultimately. But anyway, because you got
me anxious, you got me anxious, Malcolm, because the bosses
might be saying you can't Malcolm on. He tried to do.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
I didn't get any official notification, but for two months
when I rang this number, it would not be accepted.
I tried it tonight because I was listening to you
about pop iceed chicken.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Which this shouldn't be subject there, shouldn't be too controversial,
should have well what did the what did.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
The have never visited one of their outlets? I never will.
And the reason is I do occasionally use fast food.
It's not that often, but the reason is, and it
was either Building or Denver, a Chinese couple had a
pop ised chicken.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Just forgot point. I think it was Marton yeah, you.

Speaker 10 (23:02):
Could be right.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Yeah, it was up that week. I used to travel
off a lot that way.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
And that's right. They themselves had a market. It was
called Popeye's with the with the sailor had been there
forever and they they heparmed them, was it mart.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Thirty years? And all I'm going to see is they
got an email cease and desist, closed down? Will that?

Speaker 3 (23:30):
But you'd be sensitive about that being censored yourself.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Well, no, it's and one of the reasons is serious.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
You're so serious.

Speaker 10 (23:42):
No, I'm not, you are. It's simply your serious.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
National company just trading over people's lives.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Fielding.

Speaker 11 (23:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Yeah, Like for example, Marcus, I've got a friend who's
one of more than dozens in Hot Speed who got
an email from the new Owner's America. Because by the
way of what is book fifty years there?

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Malcolm, do you not know you're sucking the life out
of my show?

Speaker 4 (24:18):
Well, no, no, it's just reality. I go with my
dollar wants to go.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
But but do you understand you're coming with the nature
of your call about the bending and then about that
they were getting into multinationals and big Brother and this
is do you feel Marcus to finish with what the
host that you complained about.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
No, I'm not going to see I don't even listen
to a show. I listened to z BE all the time,
but not but not turn them off?

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Wow, where do you go?

Speaker 10 (24:53):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (24:53):
I just still listen?

Speaker 3 (24:55):
What do you do?

Speaker 4 (24:55):
I listened to z Be virtually all hours.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Of the day except during this person's show. Yep, but
what do you do that? Do you listen to all
your started? Do you listen into something else during that
person show?

Speaker 11 (25:08):
No?

Speaker 4 (25:09):
I just put a movie on or a CD.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Brilliant because I'm gonna say cassette to night. I'm just
gonna move myself away from that call before I get
in trouble. I don't know. I cently don't aware of
anyone been banned so I would come to work in
this meeting with a band list. Vinnie went home on
Treasure Island. Marcus reather hot honey. I always have a

(25:34):
pot of hot honey on a woman on the stove. Well,
hot honey is not hot in a stove. Hot honey
is honey that's got spice in it. Yeah, Changing World
almost sounds like it was self banned, which you can do.
You all the welcome to self bed. It's like when
you get banned from the pubs. Scott, it's Marcus, good evening.

Speaker 12 (25:52):
Marcus, I said, get us back onto the happy topic
of KFC. Great And you were saying a few minutes
ago to the gentleman and the cleaning. I think talking
about KFC owning Starbucks or similar I don't know what
the cases here, but one of the fantastic things they
do have in America where KFC and Taco Belt and

(26:15):
Pizza are all owned by the same company, is they
have combined restaurants. We can get KFC and Taco Belt
and Pizza at the same counter.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Wow, think about that. It's actually the same counter or
the same building.

Speaker 12 (26:29):
No, it's the same counter. So you could get a
burrito and a piece of chicken, or you could get
a pepperoni, pizza and quarter pack.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Are there three kitchens? Are the same people cooking it?

Speaker 12 (26:39):
I think it's just one kitchen, and I guess they're
just trained in multiple causines.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
I think the group here that owned those ones, they're
the people that used to do on the Albany Pack
and said, I think that might have been the family
that owned the Breakers as well, and they set up
a company to bring fast food. They brought across Starbucks
and Popeye, so they've been driving that. But funnily enough,
the one that opened and invert cargo the Popeyes then
within three months of the building and the franchise was

(27:07):
for sale. So whether they found out that it wasn't
doing very well and wanted to get rid of it,
or quite well, because I can't imagine that was always
their plan.

Speaker 12 (27:14):
Well, the Pope's always seem to get a big kind
of rush of interest when they first open. I guess
people want to check it out, but I just don't
know why it bothering. You can just get a CAFC.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Have you tried Popeyes?

Speaker 6 (27:25):
No?

Speaker 12 (27:25):
But what's the point. It's not going to be better.
It's scientifically impossible.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
You're okay, Well you love it?

Speaker 6 (27:32):
Ah?

Speaker 10 (27:34):
I do you know?

Speaker 3 (27:35):
It's good? It's in Japan. It's traditional for Christmas they
always go and have KFC. That's interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (27:43):
No?

Speaker 3 (27:43):
I mean I I I was of real impressional age
when KFC first came to New Zealand. It feels like
it about nineteen seventy two or seventy three, and it
was always it always seemed like the future, and I'm
not some of that side of KFC, but I do
appreciate people's passion for it.

Speaker 12 (28:02):
When you get a good KFC, it's just absolutely unbeatable.
And it's some of those you get it and it's
not up to scratch, but you've got to keep going
back and hoping that you do get it, that you
do get that incredible one again.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Well, my incredible situation happened last week. Some of the
kids must have had it and there was I just
went to the French the next morning and there was
like several bits just left the Because to me for
it the next morning cold is better because it's easier
to week. You haven't got the great dripping down your arm,
And for me that wasseh like a gift from the
gods literally Scott. But you know that's back on track,

(28:36):
thank you. Fourteen away from nine oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. But I'm just trying to work out
whether people going to say I've got it all wrong
that Popeye still is for every good because no one's talked.
The buzz is gone. There's no buzz. I know what's
happening on social We should ring Malcolm shouldn't we Hot

(29:00):
honey is honey with chili in it. It's definitely hot,
but good with seasons on pork ribs. Can buy it
from the n Z Quito store on what would there
be a keto store online but the one I really oh, Marcus,
we had Californian Fried chicken and tibdou before KFC Changing
World fifteen to nine. If you want to talk, that's

(29:22):
the plan. Get in touch here Tel twelve oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty earthquake off the Mandle felt
by two thousand people. Martu Angatte tide tipuna or tomotaei
fitianga gionette has been felt widely. Is that's the situation?
There we are talking. It's fifteen thirteen twelve, all away
from nine o'clock. But a lot of texts are coming through.

(29:46):
They say, out of everywhere you go around the world,
the KFC in New Zealand is the best there must
be for every good chicken that we have, Marcus, Popeyes
use beef tallow for cooking rather than KFC cooking oil.
Back to the future. It's the best for French fries.
How would you know that one of that's hype that
they use Tallo Simon Tellow. I don't know about pop

(30:09):
I know that people get slightly obsessed about beef tello.
It was kind of a Joe Rogan type obsession there
for a while, I think, which he seems to specialize
in fads. The other thing that's been used today when
we are talking about consumerbills, they are now saying that

(30:31):
lemonon pyroa is just a mixture of one part coke
to nine parts sprite with a squeeze of lemon, and
they say it's an old barman's trick. They do that
often for all and p and they've done that in
tests and people can't tell the difference. This is something
that's gone viral. I mean, lemon and paro has been

(30:52):
very ordinary for years. But they need to come forward
and see what's in it. But that seems to be right.
They probably just put one to night and put it
a lemon. So we are talking about that also tonight.
But get in touch just about the Popeyes. Was it
something that we promise great things but actually it's going
to be a bit of a dud because I'm not
hearing any hype about it at all. So that's a worry.

(31:15):
I've just turned on the incident and I'll get a
lot of pop up ads from Temu for square egg
cooking things, which is a worry. Met Gala one hundred
thousand dollars for a ticket. How ridiculous, How ridiculous. Nine
Away from nine Iran has worn the Americans. We've not
even begun yet. But we have not even begun yet,

(31:38):
So fighting talk from them that's not going to be
resolved any time soon. Sep it Away from nine. My
name is Marcus. Welcome. All the lines are free, looking
forward to what you've got to talk about tonight. I
did want to talk about the Country style chicken. If
someone wants to actually wax lyrically about that, they need
to be They get no publicity. But yeah, it do
come through and we are talking Popeye's Chicken. Also, thirty

(32:01):
years of MMP. I don't necessarily know that we're going
to get rid of it. I don't even know if
we've got the chance. But could we have a considered
and calm discussion about that. We've had MMP since ninety six.
It didn't get a good start because a whole lot

(32:21):
of New Zealand first people got in that people didn't
think were very very good and they're not. Much has changed,
So yeah, it's all been about New Zealand first. Really
two votes of course, one for local MP, one for
the party. Are you happy with it? That's the question.
Makes it more complex and we seem to spend a

(32:43):
year of three talking about who's going to go with who.
Of course, no one ever won anything in the old days.
First pass the post, you have social credit, they'll be
up at about twenty and they never get any seats.
The Values Party would never get much. Was always just
Labor National. Then suddenly MMP came along and we boy

(33:03):
had all sorts of minor parties in parliament, more representative governments.
Do you think it's been a good thing in a
considered way? If you can bring up and be rational
about that, I'd like to hear from you, Marcus. Try
Lemon and Tiatah tastes like Ellen P used to. That's right.
Interest thing about the Tiata Heart the boars at Tiadaha

(33:25):
is there is water that comes out of the ground
there that's sparkling, which I think is internationally quite rare. Rare, Yeah, Marcus, Marcus,
there are several chick king shops around now Lawaha went
into Auckland, a small franchise and using for halal chicken
and a lot of texts about hot honey. There's been

(33:45):
an earthquake off Coromandel. Three earthquakes within minutes five point
six at eight pm four point two, eight oh six.
There you go, and then blend him got hit. Yeah,
blind cords and lamps moving inside and PoTA. One person

(34:06):
said there husband thought it was the washing machine spinning
out of control. One commentator said they felt they had
stationary wobbles. So, yep, that's the quakes. The story of
the quakes here til med that mane of his Marcus
good evening oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you want to come through nine to two mmp,
what's your I presume most of you hate it? Have
I got that right? That's why I pick up from

(34:27):
people they have a bit of a moan about it
from time to time because basically everyone goes to vote
and then Winston works out who's going to be the
prime minister. Is that your problem? I'm happy to discuss that.
It does sound like a problem, but is it worse
than what we had? Don't necessarily know that it is.
So that's the plan, and be in touch and I

(34:47):
will keep you across what's happening in Iran. We have
not even begun. Iran's worn the US and mad esculation.
The strailer will moves yep. So the blockade hasn't been broken,
and there's much brinksmanship and many vessels anchored. I don't
know if the crew stay those vessels or they get
helicoptered off. So I'm not fully sure what's going on there.

(35:10):
I'd say that be a to see a documentary on that.
Nine oh seven greetings and good evening monuments Marcus, welcome
hered or twelve o'clock tonight, MMP. There you go thirty
years on what do you reckon? For those that don't know.
Before MMP was first past the Posts, it was a
number of electorates. Electorates, you'd vote for your local MP

(35:34):
and that was it. That was it. That's all you did.
You had one vote, one tack anyway, So what do
you think of the new system, Kemberle, it's Marcus. Good
evening by Marcus.

Speaker 10 (35:47):
How are you good?

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Thank you?

Speaker 14 (35:50):
I'm was two minds about EMMP I two and fifties
this year, so that's all I've ever known. I think
my first if you would have, I think must have
been when I was twenty. Yeah, so I've never known.
First past the post.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
I thought it was a.

Speaker 14 (36:05):
Really good thing, whether I thought it was a great idea,
But I'm in two minds about it because I think
it's I think it's watered down our government to vitally honest,
I think we still have the national labor stuff going on.

Speaker 11 (36:19):
But.

Speaker 14 (36:21):
I don't think that'd be the true colors anymore like
they used to be, potentially before I started voting, because
they have to water themselves down to appease the other parties.

Speaker 9 (36:32):
If you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Or you could say that in fact they wore in
some cases they watered themselves up, or they strength themselves.
If they get they might if the party is from
the right or the left, they might become more radical
than they once were.

Speaker 14 (36:48):
The officer to that, I think you've got, like I'm gonna,
I'm almost what I'm saying is sometimes the dictatorship is
quite good because at least you know what you got,
you know, you know what I mean, Like so often
we vote and anything, Oh we voted for such and
such a party, but they never actually did what they

(37:10):
what they said that they were going to do, And
I think that's because they are appeasing to so many
people to get stuff across. I would much rather if
I was a labor voter, I would much rather National
being party and go, yeah, those buggers did exactly what
they said they were going to do, or vice versa.
I think we live in a government nowadays where even

(37:33):
in New Zealand as a society, it just takes so
goddamn long for stuff to happen.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
And I think that's m MP.

Speaker 15 (37:40):
Sure, okay, I mean you told me what was it
like if you can. You're a little bit older than me,
so I mean, what do you think it was like
prietary m MP, with like big decisions and stuff happening
in the country to now where we just seem to
have to wait so it has to go through so
many bureaucratic things to get stuff happening. What was it

(38:04):
like before, m MP.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Quinde a long time ago. It's hard to compare.

Speaker 14 (38:11):
I just remember, you know, my parents, you know, moaning
by the government's buddy's gone and changed this, you know,
and you don't really get that as much anymore. You
just seem to get a dance around and oh, we've
got a new working group to work on whether we
should do this and whether we should do that. And
I mean people hated Muldoon and the likes, but that

(38:33):
I think they hated him because he just went ahead
and bulldozed stuff through because he had the mandate to
do so. Governments don't have that mandate anymore like they
used to. And maybe we need that as a country
for good and for that.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
So if there was a a vote, would you vote
for it to go back to that system? Were don't
really you're not ready to concerned.

Speaker 14 (38:55):
I don't really know it. I'd like to know of
a of a different system. Are there are there different systems?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
You can always invade a different system and there's all. Yeah.
I think what was wrong with First past the Post
is if you weren't in National or Labor like there
are other parties like like there was Social Credit and
the Values Party. I mean they would be getting twenty
five percent of the vote and just getting one or
two MPs.

Speaker 14 (39:24):
Yeah, I know, yeah, which is wrong, right, And so yeah,
that's why MMP is great.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Well, you might say it was right because social credit.
I mean, it was a pretty it was a pretty
weird policy. It was all about funny money, right.

Speaker 14 (39:37):
I don't know them, but yeah, yeah, well it.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Was all about it. It was all about a transit.
It was about a transaction text or something that you
would do that you'd get money from and it would Yeah,
it seemed to be someone's obsession, right right.

Speaker 14 (39:52):
I just think we've, like in the last three years,
I think society we've had some pretty bloody, big issues
that we've had to face, and I think certain governments
haven't actually managed to achieve what they really wanted to
achieve properly.

Speaker 7 (40:08):
Whether you agree with those things.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Or not, And i'd blame MMP, but you don't necessarily
want FPP either.

Speaker 14 (40:17):
Well, what's another system? A single transferable vote? Is that
a thing for national governments, for you know, the main government,
not local politics.

Speaker 10 (40:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
I think people thought that was a better system, but
people got too confused by it. I think people still
get quite confused by m MP as well.

Speaker 14 (40:34):
I think so too. Look, there's good things with EMMP,
but I'm having my doubts.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
I am.

Speaker 14 (40:40):
I am having my doubts. And no I'm not saying
who's past the post is better. I think there's plenty
of countries that don't.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
I think the Zaidad has always felt pretty dim about
the sweetheart deal in Epsom, where National Let's act when
that set I thought they've always thought that was pretty
that was not like the New Zealander. I don't think
anyone ever thought that was. I don't think the National
Party have done themselves a world of no good by
doing that. I think people think they's awful that gentlemen's agreement.

Speaker 14 (41:09):
Yep, and I agree with that. But I'd also say
with some of these big topics that we're face as
a society, I would have much rather when say Labor
got in, you know, a few years ago and really
started to do environment stuff, that they just boom and
did it. I feel like we've just danced around it

(41:31):
for such a long time. And then on the flip side,
you could say the complete opposite. I think we've danced
around for such a long time on the nuclear stuff.
Maybe we should go back to that and start drilling
for oil. But again, because you don't have a party
that has a mandate to just go and do it,
it just seems to take so long for any of
these big things to happen.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Your thoughts on MMP. You're happy with it, give me
a called, Dave Marcus. Welcome, good evening.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Good evening to you, Marcus. And now I'll start by saying,
I think a national anthem, the tired defeat is mindful.
Dirge has got to go and I've got just the
tune for it. I'll finish with that. Now mmpenny has
got to go as well. First pass the post for accountability,

(42:15):
to give the country direction and purpose and strong leadership
and national identity. Because at the moment, uh, this give
it a go attitude. I will try this and give
it a go. And we should have held some referendum
to go back to whether we like this MMP business
or not, because at the moment we're getting held, we

(42:37):
have been getting held to ransom.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
But hang on, hang on, Dave. I think we had
a referendum on whether we wanted to go back or not.
Didn't we?

Speaker 11 (42:48):
Did we? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Well, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 16 (42:52):
Well.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
My major concern is the lack of accountability from the politicians.
I think the politicians have lost lost trust in us,
and we are not getting the representation that we really
wanted when we voted, and that's my opinion. And we've
also lost the respect and the voices in the room
who are screaming and they are silence. Our streams has

(43:16):
seemed to land on deaf ears. Now national anthem, the
mournful dirge, the tired defeats mournful dirge has got to go.
And I've got just a song for it.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
That is, of course, hang on hold that thought. Okay,
I'm going to come back to you, Dave. I just
want to read this. In two thousand and nine, the
National government announced plans to hold another referendum on the
future of MMP, held at the same time as a

(43:49):
two thy eleven general election. The poll results in a
comfortable win for MMP, with fifty sevens voter's favor of
retaining the current system has he gone. I told them
to hang on there. What a song is Mariot's Marcus
good evening time markus.

Speaker 17 (44:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (44:08):
I think MMPs still a good thing, but I definitely
think the threshold needs to be lower. I think five
percent is way too high. There's been plenty of parties
over the years who have got around a sort of two, three,
even four mark, and I do think if you get
to four. I do think definitely as there's some representation.

(44:28):
It's one of what your thoughts were on that. I
know we've had referreing theums on it, but it hasn't
really been any referendum on the threshold. It's just been
like do you want to keep it or do you
want to change it? And what do you want to
go to? But no one's ever talked about the threshold.

Speaker 18 (44:40):
So what do you think?

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Oh I thought the threshold should drop to four or three,
but sometimes when there's dodgy parties on three or four,
I think probably it should be higher.

Speaker 18 (44:49):
Yeah, yeah, I completely agree that three is probably too low.

Speaker 7 (44:53):
But I do think it's a bit.

Speaker 18 (44:54):
Of a shame when you get a party around four
or very close to four that they don't get any representation.
Then they're vote has wasted. Vote, we just get shared
above around everyone else. We've got above the thresholder, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Yeah, Although what's happened in the past is parties have
got above the threshold and they've got and then they've
been turfed out afterwards. All that seems to change now
because it looks like ACT and insid First are around
for a while aren't they.

Speaker 18 (45:20):
Yeah, well they're really pulling quite highly at the time.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
They yeah, so that they've kind of it's taken them
thirty years but or twenty years, but they've got established
and look like they are the future. But mind your
things are quite dramatic. You look in Australia with Pauline
Hanson and Nigel Faraj, they're way, way way up, but
they're not going to last forever. You've got to look
at that funding and what's there's some fairy radical people.
So it seems as though people are just protesting at

(45:43):
the moment and doing some pretty strange stuff. But yeah, yeah,
let's talk more about it. Mardey, thank you. Eighteen past nine.
Dave wants Vangelius's Conquest of Paradise to be the music
the national anthem. I don't really know it. I've looked
up it's lyrics, and it's lyrics are hum hum hum
hum hum hum hum hum hum hum hum hum hum.

(46:04):
In non air. I'll play the bit of it. We'll
see what's it called Conquest of Paradise? The version? What
are you saying? That's all right? We might play some
later on Grandits Marcus good evening.

Speaker 19 (46:18):
I get Indian Marcus. I'm just thinking like, wow, you're
going to play some music, and I thought Marcus has
never played music on a show that I know of.
That would be the first time. It's anything.

Speaker 13 (46:28):
But you can get to the m m P if if.

Speaker 19 (46:31):
We have a dictatorship, which is like first past the post,
like the big boys and the white boys and the
and the fat cats say, oh, we know what we're
doing because we're big boys, wide boys and fat cats
and we got all this and all that and so
you can handle.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
But you've got if you, if you, if you do
this right.

Speaker 19 (46:47):
But with m m P, when we do this, we
get a split of what how the people vote the
government and parliament to be right, which is a mixed
race of people, an assortment of ideas and opinions and stuff. Right.
What that problem is with m MP and they won't
playing with it properly, is that they don't and go okay, well, okay,

(47:12):
this is the problem. You think you've got a solution.
Do you think you've got the solution that you think
you've got a solution. We we've got more people believing
that we have the solution, so let's sit down and
find out exactly what the solution is, rather than like,
oh I to be part telling me this on to
be there, you know, the people that are doing the

(47:32):
stuff that needs to be done and the people there
to doing stuff that needs to be on right livet
the grant.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Thank you so much for your thoughts.

Speaker 13 (47:39):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (47:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
I think if you loath the threshold to four or
three and there's no coattail, so if you want EPs
some you don't get your percentage, it's just you get that.
I hope that would make it fairer. A lot of
people talk about the Opportunities Party you are going to
get into parliament this time. I think they're on about
three bit of money behind them. It's the nod All's
Party of the top party. We've got all the answers

(48:00):
and it's not necessarily a bad thing. Andy, good evening.
I clicked on how to disappear. There's something wrong with
my phone? No, I haven't got anything. That's on the
control button. That's my mice? Is are mice all the way?
We didn't have this happened once before, didn't we? But
Dave disappeared too, didn't He didn't go with that quiet?
I said, Yeah, as the Scarff. We hung if he

(48:23):
might have just got If he doesn't ANSWER's just got
sicker hanging on. That's fine. It might be bedspread reception.
Conquest of Paradise is the Crusaders song, the one the
horses used to gallop to. Marcus is on demand. So
a bit behind your Lives show, you said it's the
way it's going to be in your opening monologue. It

(48:44):
sounded like just the way it is by Bruce Hornsby
and the Range. Throw m MP in the rubbish bin, Marcus.
If I have two ideas to improve m MP, you
have your two votes as you do now, plus one
vote that takes a vote away off a party. I
can vote national party and local nationally act, but then

(49:06):
say one vote that suttracts from the Greens. Ah, Marcus.
We have a new generation of voters and the voters
now would not know the previous system. That's right. Don't
they got any idea? What first pass the post was?

Speaker 19 (49:20):
Like?

Speaker 3 (49:20):
How boring it was? Re MMP. I agree with you, Marcus,
as many Keywis have become increasing disillusioned with a minority
party as New Zealand first holding New Zealand politics and
democracy to Ransom. What is concerning is that when he's
Adam in his own personal determination, should it tut our
country's future three years of now, Well, he won't be
around forever, Willy or will he be? That was always

(49:46):
the hope that he wasn't going to be around forever.
It seems to have been around forever. But he appeals
to uninformed people that don't trust politicians. I think that's
his secret source and therefore he always going to get
ten percent. He tells people they want to hear someone
said the phones aren't working. Yeah, that would be John's

(50:08):
got through was clitchy Allo. John ats Marcus.

Speaker 6 (50:14):
Good evening, Good evening, Marcus. I've been I mean, I'm Nike,
but I've been listening. I've been listening to talk back
and following politics for a long time. I don't I
think that everybody that gets into parliament should be be
be voted in, you know what I mean. They shouldn't

(50:35):
have these other buddy seats where you get so many
and you get some freebies or something. The other thing
that I don't like is, no matter what what parliaments
you get into all over the world I'm talking about,
it's le or or Japan or Britain or America, they

(50:56):
all dress right, they all wear a suit for men
and the women we're suitable or tied to. No, we
were a tie, but we got parliament. Now they get
in and they've got hats on and dark glasses and
all sorts of attire. You know, it's it's a very
important place, Parliament where everything happens and everything's made right.

(51:23):
It's going to get a bit of styleback, or one
of a better word. That's all right.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
So you think the biggest problem is people wearing a hat. Yeah, John,
does sound silly what you're saying, because how would someone
with a hat or not make any scarit of difference
at all.

Speaker 6 (51:45):
Well, all I'm saying is if you if you follow
politics all over the world, every the meeting chamber where
they all meet, all the guys that are elected or women,
they all wear a suit and a tie. You know,
they don't get in there with a hat on and
dark glasses, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Well, there probably are places where a hat of their
national dress.

Speaker 6 (52:07):
I would think, No, that's not that's not there would
be Well, I'll bet you can't name one parliament in
the world where they in the in the chamber. They
wear hats a lot of them.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
They probably wear turbans and head gears and all sorts
of things.

Speaker 6 (52:25):
Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Quite the Iranian parliament, but it's probably not a very
good example.

Speaker 6 (52:31):
Yeah, okay, Well, well, anyhow, that's that's what I think.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
It doesn't It does sound funny when we're talking about
if we changed this form of parliament in the form
of the way we elect the things, but you just
want to have them not wearing hats.

Speaker 6 (52:45):
Well, you were saying about m m P. Now they
they've got a form of m MP in in Australia
and it's better than our one, and I think even
in Germany they have as well. I don't think how
one is the right one. That's what I think.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
What's the Australian electoral system.

Speaker 6 (53:05):
Well, it's it's a bit different where you have a
choice first, second, or third or something are your choices,
and then I suppose it's first of all, I'll say
the first picks that if they haven't got enough, they'll
go back into it and have your second pick sort
of start.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
So anyhow that's going to agree with it is compulsory
there too, Yeah, but you know, getting back that young Pollo,
I think somebody said about molding and stuff.

Speaker 6 (53:33):
I believe in the seventies when Norman Kirk got in,
he started up, he started up compulsory superannuation.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
You have to do it.

Speaker 6 (53:43):
And the beauty of that is if you die before
you get to sixty five, like the OSSI system works
like this, you might die at thirty or forty. Well,
your accumulation of your your funds they don't know with you,
that goes to your family as part of your estate.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Yeah, it makes sense. Thanks john Shawant's Marcus good evening
is there?

Speaker 10 (54:06):
Yeah, Sean, Yeah, that's what that guy was saying about
we're in hats in parliament. Is absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
But we were discussing about the changes to electoral system.
That was the situation, Sean. So that's why I was
getting it back on track because we're talking about where
they're going back to MMP or first past the post
and whether people get an MMPI first past the post.
As long as they're actually respecting the government the standards

(54:33):
of dress, they can do that. So yeah, and and manly,
it seems to be people that seem to be a
they've got a problem with to Patty Maldi because they
went on and on about the guy wearing a hat,
and they go on and on and on and on
on and on and on about it, and that's what
that's about. That's people not liking EMMP because there's different
parties there and one guy wore a hat twenty nine

(54:55):
away from ten. If you want to talk, oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty and nine two nine two
to text might be another show for another host that
should they wear hats? Some said the phones that work.
We're trying to think if we get that fixed. Andy
here just wanted my call dropped off, no problem, whereas

(55:15):
driving all the time with difficulty. Here was trying to say,
I believe single transferable vote is a better voting system
than MMP and a four year term would be better
than three years, so governments are not always in election mode.
Marcus Ellie here for the Far northrough the fabulous national anthem.
It's a prayer which I believe has enabled us to

(55:35):
be able to live in peace and freedom and to
be known worldwide as a good and great in many sporting,
food and wine, hospital and business overseas. I have lived
in travel overseas for fourteen years as of New Zealand.
In my country and culture, I have been always respecting
knowledge wherever I traveled. God defe in New Zealand. May
we keep our national anthem for a long time yet.
But by the way, from what I can understand, there

(55:56):
is no talk what's about change the national anthem? I
just trying to ask, trying to ask people if they
are happy with the voting system, if they want to
go back to first part the post, because once again
we are talking about Winston choosing the government. And I
don't know once Winston goes where the Shane Jones will
have that same ability to drum up those people that

(56:20):
hate politicians but think we're going to protest vote for them. Tracy,
it's Marcus. Good evening, Good evening.

Speaker 20 (56:26):
How are you doing today?

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Good Tracy?

Speaker 20 (56:29):
Good? Hey the fried chicken Debarkle, I think, yeah, it's
pretty much. The chicken is pretty much.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (56:38):
Why are we promoting overseas when we should be just
having their own fried chickens?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
I think anyone's promoting, and I think we're just having
the discussion about it.

Speaker 20 (56:46):
Oh no, But I think if you say, what's the
best fried chicken, anyone goes straight to KFC.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
So well, I don't know that. Well, people have said
that Popeyees were a lot better, but it seems to
have opened with a great flurry that But every time
I drive past it, there's no cure, there's no one there.
I wonder if it's the question I was asking, is
it has it done? Its dash?

Speaker 20 (57:05):
I think it's done. It's de first thing when I
hear the word popeyes, I think spinach. Maybe there's what
it is.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Yeah, but you don't sound like you're in that. You
don't sound like you're in that area.

Speaker 20 (57:16):
I'm not in the area. But at the same time,
I've got people that say the same thing to me.
So yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Mean, I think, Tracy, we can have a discussion about
chicken without saying why. It's like saying, let's talk about
chicken ring up and say why are people eating overseas chicken?

Speaker 20 (57:34):
Okay, well I'll give you that, But also, yeah, I
did love you your crumpet talked last night, so I did. Yeah.
I think I think even if you have a personal choice, right, well.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
They are, yeah, chickens are the crumpets are locally made.

Speaker 20 (57:49):
Well, this is true, So I do eat my trumpets.
Apart from last night when you were talking about it
was niel by mouth and trying to listen to them and.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Were in hospital.

Speaker 20 (57:58):
I'm in hospital now if you can't hear the beep,
and I am. Yeah. I had a reconstruction today. It
was under for ten hours.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
So wow, yeah, after.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Week without all the details. When they say reconstruction, what
does that mean?

Speaker 20 (58:13):
So we're talking chicken. I had a brief reconsumption.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Oh okay, yes, so I got.

Speaker 20 (58:18):
My stomach made into a breast and was under fifteen hours.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Wow. Yeah, is that because you had breast cancer?

Speaker 20 (58:27):
Yeah, diagnosed to it's after my thirty sixth birthday in
twenty twenty and finally got my new boob use today,
well today, I'm.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Actually quite interested in that they used from your stomach.

Speaker 20 (58:41):
Yep, I've got a hip scut well scarf from hip
to hip where they're taking all my fat muscle and
made me a new breast.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
And it's you just had what you just had lost
one breast, did you?

Speaker 20 (58:55):
I just lost the right one yet, So luckily I
was eligible for this operation.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
It's a long operation, a.

Speaker 20 (59:02):
Very long they do, say six fifteen.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Now.

Speaker 20 (59:05):
Then I went for ten and a half, so I
don't do things by half.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
What they're doing for all that time, are you well?

Speaker 20 (59:12):
I would have liked to record it, but I don't
think I would have got all.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
The camera reconnecting tissue. And I mean, that's amazing.

Speaker 21 (59:20):
How many people in the room are three surgeons?

Speaker 20 (59:24):
About six anetives are good half a dozen nurses. So
that's what it took so long, because it's not just
one of every Joe blog, it's two of everyone.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
When are you out.

Speaker 20 (59:37):
Sunday? If I'm lucky, because they've got to keep me
in a sleeping bag type situation, keep it warm, make
sure it takes. And I'm getting all the opposite at
the moment, hence the phone call to you stay.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
In touch, Thank you, Tracy. Twenty three to ten sog
with Marcus. All that beepy wit and checked the fridge.
By the way, how hard is it to get rid
of the fridge? The fridge beep? I'm sure there's something
on YouTube about that. Hello, Glennis, this is Marcus. Good evening,
How are you goodness? Thank you?

Speaker 19 (01:00:09):
That's good.

Speaker 22 (01:00:11):
Just listening to the talk bick about the voting. I'm
an old voter from years back, and I've always been
first part, first part the post, and since that MMP

(01:00:32):
came on, I don't understand it too much. I don't
think a lot of us older people do. And I
think the older people just want when they vote, they
want that person to be voted for, you know, to
come on. And yeah, I haven't voted for the last

(01:00:54):
couple of years because m MP has come on, and
I thought, oh, what's all.

Speaker 20 (01:00:59):
That about, Dennis.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Do you think it's irresponsible of yourself not trying to
research how it's how it works, because it's pretty simple.

Speaker 22 (01:01:07):
I have tried to research it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
Yeah, okay, and I have.

Speaker 22 (01:01:12):
But when I vote, I want to vote the person
that I want to come in. Well, first post was
always quite easy because you vote for that person.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
But if you want to vote for who you want
to run the country, you vote for that party with
your party vote. Yes, it's pretty straightforward, isn't it.

Speaker 22 (01:01:35):
Well it used to be, but I don't think it
is now. Not far as older people we're just say
okay were.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
When you say glad us when you say the older
how old are you now? To seventy two? So when
MMP came in, you would have been forty two. Yeah,
so I don't reckon, don't. I'm not buying your excuse.
I reckon. That's just dereliction of duty. Oh, I mean
forty two. You can learn things if you're say you

(01:02:06):
one hundred and ten. Yeah, but you're just with your
party vote. You vote for the government you want.

Speaker 13 (01:02:14):
Yes, yes, I do.

Speaker 22 (01:02:17):
But when you vote for the party you want, there's
all this thing on the background. Whereas I mean, Pace,
I don't understand it too much.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
But you'd be in Glendess, you'd be you'd be National
Party voter, right, yes, yeah, and you voted for National
the last elector you didn't vote the last election?

Speaker 22 (01:02:38):
Yeah, yeah, yes I does.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
And you voted for National and Luxon is the prime minister. Yes,
so that's what you've got. That you got what you wanted.

Speaker 22 (01:02:46):
Yes, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
So how's that not working?

Speaker 14 (01:02:50):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Whereas once upon a time are you are you? What
electoral are you in? Once upon a time you could
There used to be several elections electrics and Hawks Bay,
doesn't they yep? So quite often you know you'd be
in a Hawk's Bay, right, and you'd vote for your
for your National for your Tory MP. But the labor guy,

(01:03:12):
I'd get in and so you would have had no
one put in the government because you vote wouldn't have counted.

Speaker 22 (01:03:18):
But when when you go to vote, yeah, I always
vote for National and I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Would you would you even vote for them this time?

Speaker 13 (01:03:31):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Are you? Would you not vote National?

Speaker 13 (01:03:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Have they got to explain that?

Speaker 14 (01:03:40):
Do? I?

Speaker 22 (01:03:46):
Probably not? But I just find it difficult with the
the MP coming in and I'd say, oh, I'm voting
for this party, but the used to be first Past Posts,
which I liked because if you're voted for them and
they got up, you would think, oh, yeah, they're gonna

(01:04:07):
win that election.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
But you have no impact on voting for them because
of you know, your vote were only count if they
won the electorate that you're in. Oh yeah, okay, Glennis
can't help me, sorry, but yeah, anyway, Okay, Glenna's not
in favor of it. There we go. Hearing that beeping
brought back memories of my husband was very second hospital.

(01:04:29):
Oh goodness, I didn't hear the beeping as bad as
you guys heard the beeping. Well, Marcus, let's wash Tracy
all the best for a full and best recovery after
such a huge operation. I'm surprised people are you see,
if Glenna still doesn't understand MMP, what hope have we got?
With single transferable vote becomes quite common? I think they
have it in some I think there's a by election

(01:04:49):
in Denading at the moment, and I think that's even
the by election is STV, which is Aaron Hawkins did
win that though, wouldn't he you? To hope get in
touch Hittle twelve fifteen to ten, asking you if it
was a thirty years since MMP, if you're happy with
it or less than happy with it, would you like
to go back to the old system with some other system?

(01:05:09):
And your reason quite straightforward? Happy with it? Well, you
prefer it the way it once was. Yep. By the way,
the death ship with the rat virus, no one can leave.
Seriously ill British crew members still cannot leave the vessel
and cruise for him that they do not know what
will happen to the remaining passengers after three have died.
It's the hand to virus in fiction, very very bad,

(01:05:31):
deadly to one on three don't know why they can't leave.
They are at Cape Verde, and Cape Verde says they
will not authorize its docking will the aim of protecting Eshel.
I don't know a lot about Cape Verdy, although it
did come up on a pub quiz. Is it not
too long ago? I don't even know what this population
would be. But the population probably wouldn't want rat virus

(01:05:53):
because it's not huge. Anyone out there being to Cape
Verdy that would be of interest to me. Twenty half
a million people there, so it's not big. See, they
would want to get overwhelmed by the rat virus. People.
Sorry for the beeping in love to the nation, Yeah,
a lot of love for the woman with the ten
hour operations, So go you. It's remarkable. It's remarkable. It

(01:06:17):
was ten hours. I still can't kind of believe it.
Goodness Hittle twelve, you want to come through. There's been
earthquakes a five point five off the well, about fifty
k's off the Mercury Islands. That's what's happened tonight and
other stuff. I'm sure, but MMP quite straightforward question to
you on that one, and get in touch you on

(01:06:38):
to talk. Oh wait, eight eleven away from ten your
comments on MMP versus first past the post. It's been
thirty years since we had first passed the post or
since we yeah, since we had it thirty years of MMP,
We're happy with it. Do you want to tweak a
text door? Says I prefer first past the post With

(01:07:00):
the prime Minister's to deputies, it's an absolute shambles. Three different
voices already seemed to agree on anything. Well, that's what
Wayne Brown called it. Wasn't he a two legged, two
headed doll or something? Paul ats Marcus, good evening.

Speaker 9 (01:07:17):
As how you going your dinner?

Speaker 11 (01:07:18):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Good? Thank you?

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
How are you going all right?

Speaker 16 (01:07:21):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:07:21):
Pretty good? Just on the way home.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Cape Verdie.

Speaker 9 (01:07:24):
What a beautiful place. I was there. I was captain
on a ship and I was in there picking up
bunkers on the way. We're going to go across the
Atlantic to Miami. Anyway, you walk sure that they're actually
going to ed Park in Cape Verdie where they played football.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:07:43):
But the thing about Cape Verdie is it's good. Have
been a mystery way back.

Speaker 16 (01:07:48):
In the early days when the Portuguese were down there
doing the the cotton fields, and they used to have
little relations with the very nice looking ladies in the
local area, and to hide the resultant they used to
export them to the Cape Body of So the Cape

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Body of.

Speaker 9 (01:08:12):
Now have these absolutely stunning beautiful people. Even the men
Portuguese features tall, slim, elegant and a lovely like a
light brown count. There's even the old people are beautiful.
It's amazing. Anyway, with the gyro breakdown and we had

(01:08:35):
the anchor and the bay and the people from this
bake and nothing. The cap people of the bay rode
out and they said, have you got anything, you know,
because it's very dry there. So we had some drums
and the pieces gave them some drums in there and
they rode that are short and the dumage and a
couple of t shirts and things that we had. The

(01:08:55):
next morning they came, they got there that they had
this wicker basket. Who the hell in the work of basket?
We put it out on dick. There was about fifty
crayfish and there's wicker basket.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Goodness.

Speaker 9 (01:09:07):
So the fifteen crews that I had on board, we
had crape fish worn air, crape fish breakfast, crape pish, savages,
crape frish from the barbecue, crape frish, uh, crape brish
smaller way to bloody blind, had a Crapeish all the
way Cape Verdie.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Yeah. That so uninhabited pre European discovery. That's quite interesting.

Speaker 9 (01:09:34):
Yeah yeah, a bit of a checker past. But it's
a lovely place now. Yeah, real tourist destination have done
it up really well.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Is it Is it a safe harbor?

Speaker 9 (01:09:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, but it's not for big ships.
The ship I was on it was only about one
hundred and forty hundred and fifty meters long. It wouldn't
be beake but the because it's the only small port.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
Where'd you come from?

Speaker 9 (01:10:01):
Uh, I'd come from that at the port for that da.

Speaker 4 (01:10:08):
Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:10:10):
But we didn't have enough fuel, so we needed small diesel.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Why didn't you have enough fuel?

Speaker 7 (01:10:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
What did Why did you not? Why did you not
have enough fuel?

Speaker 9 (01:10:22):
Well, we can't report. Hardled to Dacre and we picked
up about a thousand tons of fuels. That are but
we carried about four thousand and we needed to go
across the Atlantic, but we only they only gave us
heavy fuel. We need diesel generators. No, no, no, this
is a.

Speaker 16 (01:10:44):
Busy purpose container ship.

Speaker 9 (01:10:46):
Oh hell, that's my previous history. Seats of the sea.
For a while while.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
That's brilliant, Paul, thank you for that. Goodness. So anyway,
the people with the rat virus can't go ashore there.
I don't know why this ship hasn't. I don't know
if the ships has gotten enough crew to run this ship.
It does seem to be a slow and miserable time
for these people. Now the MMP discussion, I'd like to
continue that if anyone's got anything. I mean, we went
well when a couple of good calls and someone said

(01:11:15):
they should they wear hats. I think went quite badly
from then, Marcus Tracy here about the beeping. Sorry, if
anyone wants to know what the operation, it's called a
deep flap. Side note, we had the same midwife, goodness,
good old Rachelle, the west Auckland midwife. We've had a

(01:11:36):
west Aukland midwife and an Invera Cargill windwife. Parties should
have to identify potential coalition partners prior to an election.
Many party promises are modified because of their coalition demands.
Accountability is so much more difficult comments. Yeah, I just
reckon em MP stick with it, but just get rid
of the coattail and take the threshold down to four

(01:11:59):
maybe three, so it goes Rob your uncle and then
maybe when Winston retires the old sort itself out. Otherwise
he just kind of works out. I mean, he's got
too much sway and I don't know quite why that is.
I think anyone knows. Greeting's Welco. Apparently two ships have

(01:12:20):
got through the stratihor moves. How would you know? Though
I ain't get in touch on. My name's Marcus Welk. We're
too many, emp. Do you want to stay with it?
Although it seems as though what I've heard from people,
they're more worried about people wearing hats, which isn't politics
about the ideas that the people that were voting for

(01:12:40):
putting those ideas forward. So there we go. Apparently, once
upon a time, Ruth Richardson's wore a track suit and
that got in trouble. Ruth Richardson, not Richardson's, So there
we go. It's not the first time people have talked
about clothing, but it does sort of kind of detract
from the discussion somewhat, and the chicken about Popeyes. What's

(01:13:01):
going on with Popeyes? No good? Is that?

Speaker 8 (01:13:03):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Is that what people are saying? I do much enjoy
the fried If someone said it's all about the price,
right fried chicken, this guy's come through emailed, got can't
phone's damn name? Andy Chicken sandwich fifteen dollars at popeyees
compared to seven dollars at KFC KFC much much cheaper.

(01:13:25):
Ah that look anyway, all the lines are free. We
are talking about Cape Verde and about MMP worth versus.
Do you want to change the parliamentary system or are
you happy with it? I don't like that deals that
you get NPSOM with ACT it's still called EPSOM. That's
a bit I don't like. I kind of thought MMP
would get the hand on more of but I don't

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know that we have, and I don't really know what
having the handle on MMP normally looks like. So these things,
if you want to discush, that's discussed. That's the plan,
and yeah, be in touch. My husband and I voted
for STV all those years ago. We both still agree
it's our preverred voting system. It seems at the time

(01:14:09):
I think STV was proven to be too complicated. But
some would say that after we listened to that woman Glennis,
that MMP is too complicated fancy saying she never understood
it and she was forty two, and then extraordinary that
you not learn how something works. Evening, Marcus, MMP is fine. Whoever,
we don't need list MPs. Well, how could you do

(01:14:30):
MMP without list MPs? I don't think that works. I
think it's the problem. So it seems as though from
the texts and the calls that most people are begrudgingly
happy with MMP. Maybe that's what I can Maybe that's
what I can infer as long as I don't wear
hats how daft Corey, it's Marcus, good evening.

Speaker 23 (01:14:53):
You know about MMT.

Speaker 10 (01:14:55):
I think.

Speaker 23 (01:14:57):
You're trying to get a whole lot of different things
and make something that works, and it won't even work properly,
you know what I mean. So like grabbing a whole
lot of different part sort of a car and a
track and try and make a vehicle out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Just isn't that about what life's about? Getting four or
five people different views and finding their common ground.

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:15:16):
Problem is there's there's a lot of radicals that are
kind of taking over the tar weight and the dog,
you know what I mean, And we're.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
Not getting are you talking about Act.

Speaker 23 (01:15:28):
No, I'm talking about I'm talking about some of the
like the Green Party and the Married Party, where you've
got the you're not really getting the voice of marrying.
You're not getting the voice of the people that actually
really are agreeing. They've got political ideas that don't work
in reality.

Speaker 9 (01:15:45):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
So what what did they do for the last labor
government that was that was radical?

Speaker 23 (01:15:52):
I just think it's the way they behaved.

Speaker 10 (01:15:54):
Really.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Oh, yes, it's not about policy.

Speaker 23 (01:15:56):
Well, it is about policy, because I mean, as the
Murray thing is, there's a few Mary's getting all the
capital gain out of this married them and others are
missing out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
So you'd want to go back to first past the post.

Speaker 23 (01:16:15):
No, I think maybe everyone should just have a referendum
on every bloody thing.

Speaker 13 (01:16:19):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Well that's not practical, is it.

Speaker 10 (01:16:23):
Well, with the.

Speaker 23 (01:16:23):
Technology we've got now, we can do it, can't we.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
I don't think technology is going to be the solution.
I mean I think that we had we had referendums,
but they were always non binding.

Speaker 23 (01:16:35):
Yeah, they should be binding if there's a lot of
people against something and the government shouldn't know yet with.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
It on your career, what do you want to say
about KFC.

Speaker 23 (01:16:44):
Well, they changed the coal saw, which is it's got
a horrible creamy sauce al like the old coal saw.
And now the chicken is different too. And I don't
think they use chickens anymore, do they they? I think
they might use pigeons to make their.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
Now, I think you've used about your chicken around as
sensible as you views about politics. Corey Goodness thirteen past
ten oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Sorry, Marcus can't
eat chicken. I couldn't eat anything that has feathers. Well,
you take the feathers off, Marcus. MMP could work without
list MPs if you gave electric MPs votes different waitings.

(01:17:21):
I don't know if that would work, would it? And
Tracy with the beeping oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty nine nine text? Do you want to say you're
happy sticking with MMP? I think people haven't really thought
about it. I just they just really want to repeat
something they've heard online. But yeah, I would be curious
to know if you think it's the plan of the future.

(01:17:41):
We read it for thirty years. I don't necessarily know
that we're going to go back, but we could tweak it.
And my tweaks would be not have the threshold or
the I mean take the threshold down to four or
three percent and not have the the coattail. So that
is if you get if ACT gets well, it's changed
now because acts above the well above the threshold. But
you know how it was in those early days, they'd

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get four percent, but because they'd win the seat of
EPSOM they get five or six MPs. We just seemed wrong,
it seemed unfair. Well, the parties had as many votes
because they didn't have the sweetheart deal. It would get
polishinged in what we are talking about thirteen past ten
and also the Popeye's Chicken. Just curious to know if
people are still in love with it. I'm not seeing

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anyone going to the local one. In fact, they've started
closing earlier too. I've noticed. I thought it was going
to take I thought the farmer is going to be
driving the day and night for it. Because in VI
Cargo sort of had the second one in the South,
might have had the first one on the South Island.
Maybe it was a test case, but it's like a
ghost store. Yeah, you're hearing this first that's my take
on it. It's the first in the South. A second

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one's plan for Richmond and Nelson in twenty twenty six.
But there you go. Now some of the other stuff
I can, oh, by the way, get in touch you
on I talk about MP eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty or Popeye's Chicken Bad Weather coming to Are on
Thursday this day. In nineteen thirty four, the first three

(01:19:10):
Stooges film is released. Probably unwatchable. Now are they Should
you brush your teeth before or after breakfast? That debate
goes on best thing first in the morning. Brushing before
breakfast helps remove plaka but terry that built up overnight
and creates a protective layer of fluoride on your teeth
before you eat. Social media users are surprised. And by

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the way, what about the hack to make lemon and
para are one part lemonade, nine parts coke squeeze and
lemon juice. Why would you just buy L and P.
Wouldn't that be easier? It's my take on that one.
It is World Asthma Day. And by the way they
are going to do there is going to be no

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Spice Girls reunion because of what Ginger said in the
interview about Heliason with one of the other ones. So
what they're going to do now is there's going to
be a hologram show like the Ebber One. Because people
went to the Ebber One said it was fantastic. I
don't know that the Spice Girls one would be the same.

(01:20:14):
Their songs weren't quite as good. I mean, tell me
what you want's fine, but it hasn't gotten the melody
of Waterloo. Would you go to that? I don't know.
Would you go to that if they changed MMP? Looking
forward to your call sixteen past ten? Anything else up
for it? People tonight you've got breaking news where you
are brush your teeth first thing in the morning. That

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is the answer. If that's the plans, Dando, Hi, Marcus.
MMP is a disaster, worst thing ever adopted, having capable
people and government that should never have gotten come back
first past the post, Daryl, who are those people? I'll

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tell you what. All the STV people are quite no
Wally oh yeah. It's like saying yeah, every lex oh
I voted his TV. I'm sure they didn't. By the way,
there is a oil refinery in the UA that's on fire.
After a drone attack. That's breaking news. You're hearing that
here first seventy pus tend at fort your calls, MMP
and what were we hoping for? I guess we're hoping

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that there'd be more than just the two parties in parliament.
We got that and now people aren't happy with that.
That's the weird thing. A they wanted different groups in
parliament and they've got that. Now they just want the
two groups. There seems to be some resistance to lists.
I think with MMP you need to have lists otherwise
you get people winning electorate seats and they wouldn't get

(01:21:40):
in parliament because that would be the way that it
would work. So yeah, if you want to talk about that,
that's the plan tonight. People. Yeah, jumping doesn't have to
be serious, but you just ain't going about hats hats
and hats and hats. It defeats the conversation. Darren Marcus welcome.

Speaker 10 (01:22:00):
How are you good, Darren.

Speaker 11 (01:22:03):
MP?

Speaker 10 (01:22:04):
Can you explain to me and listeners h in detail
kind of and I'm not sure what it means. Do
you vote?

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Do you vote?

Speaker 8 (01:22:11):
Darren?

Speaker 10 (01:22:12):
I'll be honest, I've never voted in my life.

Speaker 7 (01:22:14):
From forty one.

Speaker 10 (01:22:15):
I know that sounds like shit, but I've never complained,
and I just want to know what means.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
I'm just worried about the language when you vote.

Speaker 10 (01:22:24):
I'm sorry, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
MMP is a style of voting. Yeah, are you happy
with the government you've got?

Speaker 6 (01:22:31):
Now?

Speaker 10 (01:22:32):
Well, I don't really know too much about them, to
be honest. I don't really trust many politicians. But what
are you reckon about our government? Well?

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
I reckon. You can't really say they're not going to
trust them if you don't have some say in voting
for them. I'm slightly staggered, but at least you're honest.
Leonard's Marcus good evening.

Speaker 24 (01:22:50):
Oh Hi, I actually don't mind MMP. But I think
everyone's a bit disgruntled. First of all, we haven't got
a really strong prime minister. I don't believe he likes
talking to the press. They sort of bamboozl and then
you can't cope. I think that Shane Jones is the

(01:23:13):
hugest embarrassment. Every time he opens his mouth.

Speaker 23 (01:23:17):
I cringe.

Speaker 24 (01:23:18):
And Labor, where are you? But I think people are disgruntled,
unhappy and we need a better, stronger leader. And Labor,
you're better get some bloody policies out, quirk.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Could you say that the fact that Luxon is not
strong and not popular that's not a result of MMP,
is it. No, that's a result of that's the result
of the National Party having gone through about five or
six leaders. They had mother and bridges and colins and
English and none of them really had to cut through.

(01:23:54):
And he was and there was infighting and he was
the one that stopped the infighting. But has he said
the world on fire?

Speaker 24 (01:24:01):
Well, he hasn't stopped the infighting that's still going on.
You can see that rotten people.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
He hasn't been rolled though, has he?

Speaker 24 (01:24:09):
Nobody I was going to be. But it's just, you know,
people want to have faith that the government is doing
what they say they do, and the leader has to
be able to transmit that himself for herself.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
And the big part of it, A big part of
is communicating your vision and your policies to the people.
And if you're not going to do media, that's that's
one of those channels that's.

Speaker 24 (01:24:37):
Gone in action, you know. So And I mean I
don't like this fast track everything because it's just going
to eventually cause more chaos down down the road in
the future.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
So there's been a lot of frustration that governments don't
do things quick enough. Now they're doing things quickly. You
think they're doing things too clearly.

Speaker 24 (01:25:02):
Yeah, fast tracking gold mine where we're not not really
going to benefit only a few wages. That's not enough
for the damage they'll do.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
Do you think things would be different if we had
or how would they be different if we had first
passed the post?

Speaker 14 (01:25:19):
I don't think.

Speaker 24 (01:25:20):
I don't think that's the answer. We've had that and
people wanted something different. We've just got to have probably
people working a bit better together. I mean, take the
party Maory. I actually, I mean I love Maori people.
I would like to have voted Mary, but I'm not married.

Speaker 14 (01:25:40):
But I don't like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
I think they had. I think they had. They had
candidates and a lot of the general seats and you
could vote for them and the and your party vote.

Speaker 14 (01:25:53):
No, you know, do that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
Yeah, but Larnie you were able. You were able to
do that. So that's something that you can do that.

Speaker 24 (01:26:01):
But what what are they doing for their people?

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
What?

Speaker 13 (01:26:07):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Yeah, I think the discussion is more about is more
about the system of parliament we've got. I think that's probably,
you know, rather than hats and having a got the
Multi Party I think.

Speaker 24 (01:26:18):
Prob yeah if their work, and the same with the
Green Party, but.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
They're in opposition. You know. That's the thing. The parties
that are in government are national and a coalition was
in in first and act. They're the ones that get
the headlines because both Peters and Seymour have been had
turned as been the deputy prime minister. I mean they
are the three parties that are running the country an opposition.
An opposition, you get very little time to do anything.

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You're in opposition. You're not setting the agenda. All you're
doing is trying to get some sort of your comms
across when the media will talk to you, and with
three other parties it's very very difficult.

Speaker 10 (01:27:01):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
We'll personally alared to thank you very much for that.
Twenty six past ten, I wait hundred and eighty to
ten eighty No ten toos, the night has flowing. Oh
wait one hundred and eighty tennity markets. I think I
prefer MMP. Sometimes the main party needs an alternative opinion
on policies short of labor, and that's sorting things together,

(01:27:25):
which won't happen. It's the best option. I think the
party with the most votes should choose who joins them
in Parliament, not to let Winston have any power over
who goes where. Winston should never have been able to
put your cinder into power over Bill English, who got
the most votes. Yeah, but that's not quite how it works.

(01:27:47):
Because Labor and New Zealand First had more votes than National.
National couldn't put together a government, that's one of the
and the people that voted knew that. They knew. That's
the way it works, when you can't vote and then
have a system and then say, oh, you don't like
the outcome, so you're not happy with it. I mean,
that's the adult way to do it, isn't it. People
can choose who they go so yeah, but I know

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a lot of people had a bad vibe about MMP
since that talking chicken first past the post versus MMP
and Chicken. I also wouldn't mind talking about cutting down
on cell phone use if that is something people have
attempted and how that worked out for them. Yeah, dropping

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in a fourth topic for tonight, you've got something to
say about that? Good, wait's the plan? Stand so be
in touch yeph eight ten eighty and nine to text,
keep your eye on the keeping an eye on the news,
because it seems it's Yeah, it looks like the straight

(01:28:51):
uh hole moves is getting stuff through. But all those
texts are coming through about people saying, well, under MMP,
you'd need to have a system where the party that
gets the most votes that any minor parties have to
go where the part of that gets the most votes.
I don't think you could write that in law. I
don't think that would be workable. You can't just change
your whole system because there's one time you don't like

(01:29:13):
the way it works, because the other ways you'd be
saying the exact opposite. Now, just looking what's happening in
the straight of horror moves for you people looking forward
to your calls, guys, if anything, all head on midnights
like oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty if you
do want to talk, get in touch if you want
a text. Also, Oh Tracy said, politics is a popularity

(01:29:35):
contest for those with any intelligence, it's about policy. Oh
so you get in touch with you on a talk
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty at twenty seven to
eleven Peter. It's Marcus good evening.

Speaker 25 (01:29:48):
Yeah, Marcus, Yeah, I like because I reckon that we
don't this past. Suppose you don't want one party dictator. Maldooney,
that's wrong. And everybody goes on about Winston. Peter's about
two two thousand and see the name. I talked about

(01:30:08):
this with a lot of people.

Speaker 6 (01:30:10):
I said, just submit it.

Speaker 25 (01:30:11):
Would you like to enter a boxing ring? You already
got a bloody nose before you entered the boxing ring.
Built English had been nice to Winston and said and
worked with Winston. Winston would have gone off National, but
they Winston is not. He was not going to get
a bloody nose and knew that he was going to
get beat up in the ring for you that they

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didn't want him in there. So Winston had no choice.
So blame National on that one. Don't blame when he
because he went blame he had no choice. I wouldn't
want to get beat up in a ring either if
I knew I was going to get beat up. And
it's that simple. People don't like being omitting that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
Marcus wasn't the whole system about his eligibility for his pension.
Wasn't that effected then?

Speaker 23 (01:30:51):
Also whatever it was Marcus.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
Okay, hey Pete, Pete, So you don't think under EMMP
that the minor parties have to go. I can't even
even by saying, it doesn't even make sense that the
minor parties need to go with a part of the
getst the most vote. Yeah, I don't know what people's
protest against m MP is.

Speaker 25 (01:31:12):
I think it works well because it keeps everybody even
and by having amy MP, you don't have one party dictating,
and we don't want that. And I reckon work people
can't stand it for they want one party, they want
the rich people there. Whatever you choose, you have choosing labor.
You all known Nationals for the business people. Labor were

(01:31:33):
for the working party, but they're not no more. Labour's
changed Until labor goes back more to the working people
instead of doing the dumb stuff that they were doing
when they got in, they're going to have a long.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
But I think the criticism about MMP is that because
of New Zealand First's ability to work within it, it's
given them much more power than their percentage of vote
would indicate. I mean, how much percentage did Winston Peters
getting twenty seventeen the opposite of the vote.

Speaker 7 (01:32:00):
God, ah forgot Now, it was just over the threshold.

Speaker 25 (01:32:03):
I really want it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
There about I felt like about six o'l six or
seven percent, right.

Speaker 25 (01:32:08):
Well somewhere around there was that. It is just basically
you just basically got over the line. Really that's not
really fair, but that's the system.

Speaker 6 (01:32:15):
We have.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Got.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
They got seven point two percent. The Green Party got
six point three percent. So what seems to have happened
is the percentage of votes for the major parties has
gone down and the percentage votes for the minor parties
has gone up, which would indicate to me that MMP
is working.

Speaker 25 (01:32:35):
I readon it works. You know it's I'm grom graant
that you think a bit like me because the end
of the day, so you've got a lock, you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
Got more variety of parties.

Speaker 25 (01:32:45):
Yeah, and it keeps everybody. But honest, you know you
can't have everything for the business people. What we what
we lack in this country now we need a leader
that will stand up. I'm not blaming my trumpet to
win me here, but you want something. They're all politics,
politicians are The.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
Country is in deep trouble. Everyone wants to go to Australia.
The country is the countries and crisis, I think, but
you need.

Speaker 25 (01:33:08):
A leader that will will stick up when it comes,
like I don't mind Chrystal Lux and he's not too bad,
you know, I reckon he's been over Singapore now he's
got to He's probably the best what we have right
now for national we can lead the party. No one
else at the present time. Christophers that there's nobody really
right now that can fill their shoes. He's got his.

(01:33:30):
He's not really liked by the public, but he's a
good organizer and he's quite.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
Well the public and the public and the poll today
haven't liked how he's handled the energy crisis. They feel
that he's been that's been pulling handled apart according to
that news Room poll.

Speaker 25 (01:33:45):
Yeah, but it's not bad. He's over there. They're doing
something about that's trying to store more diesel and aviation
fuel at Mars and point. Nobody knew what was going
to happen at the Strait that we're dealing with iron.
No one knew that was going to happen. Those those things,
you can't predict those things, can they happen?

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
I think when your leadership. You need to you need
to balance a lot of contingencies and work out what's
going on. I think that's your job, is to actually
try and work out what's going to happen and be
prepared for it. I just don't think you can say, oh,
this is a surprise, because leadership is about actually working
out what's going to happen and what contingencies you need
for what might happen. But anyway, but you're you're happy,

(01:34:24):
but you're happy to stick with MMP.

Speaker 25 (01:34:27):
I reckon ad system.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Yeah, I think you've made your case fairly well. Pete. No,
congratulate you for that. Thank you. Twenty two to eleven MMP.
It is it seems to be. That's what people are saying.
They're happy with it. I think the votes are reflecting that,
with more and more people are voting for minor parties
and enjoying that. Because if you've got something to add
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Hettel twelve, Oh Marcus

(01:34:54):
Peters did not put your cinder into government for her
second team. No, she didn't. They won. I think they
won the popular vote and they won fifty percent. I'm
pretty sure that's what it was what year was that,
twenty eighteen, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty five, twenty twenty three,
twenty twenty was it? Anyway? Do come through? If you

(01:35:16):
want to talk oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
and nine two nine two de text. It's staggering that
people don't understand the MMP. I don't know how to vote.
I mean jeeps creepers. Labour got fifty percent of the
vote in twenty twenty national twenty five percent, and that
was the first time I think there had been a
clear majority under MMP, or since we've got out of

(01:35:38):
First past the Post twenty away from eleven. If you
want to talk about this, oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty and nine two nine two de text. I'd
saw that footage from that fireworks factory. Jeeps creepers. You
wonder how they can make them so unsafe, Marcus. This
current three party government is the reason why MMP doesn't work.

(01:36:01):
What was the opposition? Maybe they should have gone back
to the poll so they had that option, didn't they
when didn't, I was going to be clear result. Maybe
that's what they needed to do, And I don't know
what I would imagine listening to the callers, I would
imagine that over the years that people's love for MMP
has kind of diminished. I don't know if that's the
answer or not. Actually you might want to come through
about that, but yeah, would you like to go back

(01:36:22):
to the old system. But what I've actually noticed for
the discussion tonight is not people want to go back
to the old system. People are showing, well what a people.
It doesn't seem to be any middle ground and discussion anymore.
People just worried about the periphery, like people wearing hats,
which I almost think that what it means is that
people have actually given up on your discussion on politics

(01:36:44):
and just repeating invective they've read on the internet, which
is probably the reality of what's happened. People just kind
of repeating memes evening Marcus, I think MMP is a
good representation of our nation's beliefs or our nation's ideologies. However,
I think where the issue is once the government has formed,
that minor parties g have an overbearing influence disproportionate to

(01:37:07):
the level of vote they have received. What I mean
is you can have a minor party in coalition with
smaller ones that form the government. But when a vote
needed to pass an Act of Parliament, the smaller part
of the have an influence on that vote that is
disproportioned to the vote they received from the public that
got them into power. Marcus, if you count the years,
the amount of years Winston Peters and David Seymour having

(01:37:30):
politics over Christopher Luxen, he doesn't stand a chance against
their experience. Yes, but he would have fairly experienced advisors
and chief of staffs and stuff. Interesting point though, get
those emails through too if you've got them. But yes, MMP,
are you in favor of it a good thing or
does it need a bit of a rejig. It's we're

(01:37:50):
on about tonight eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine
to detext anything else want to mention also tonight, that's
a plan the earthquake two and if there's other stuff
you've got, let me know what that's about. If you
want to come through here til twelve. Looking forward to
your calls, I'll keep you updated with the news around
the world. Also tonight, I'd like to say there's a
fair bit going on, but I don't think that would

(01:38:12):
be the reality that I can see certainly trouble with
the airlines. I reckon a lot of those airlines are
going to go bung with this golf crisis. In Britain,
airlines have cut two million seats from the May schedule
within the past two weeks as concerns build that the
Iron Wall could cut jet fuel supplies to critically low levels.

Speaker 10 (01:38:35):
The GLO.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
The total number of seats available across all global carries
in May has fallen from one hundred and thirty two
million to one hundred and thirty million between mid and
late April, according to an analytics firm Syrium. Golf airlines
such as Qatar Etty had An Emirates have been worst
hit by Middle East airspace closures and airport disruption since
feby eight, as well as rising fuel costs. Didn't even

(01:38:59):
know they counted the global number of seat tickets available.
It's quite interesting. So down from one hundred and third
two million one hundred and thirty million. So that's happened
also tonight. Yeah, get in touch something I want to
mention people live it it up. I thought people would
be more opposed to MMP Marcus in my opinion, first

(01:39:19):
past the post was undemocratic. MMP works fine. It's the
quality of the minor parties that quite often I won't
read that word. I've only voted sixteen times. I could
be wrong. Seems like a few to vote. Fourding away
from eleven o'clock, Marcus, you're playing on the radio in
the dining room and our Alexus speak on the lounge

(01:39:40):
is trying to talk back to you. I'm sorry, I
don't think I can help you with that. I haven't
gone down the road with Alexa. It sounds crazy to me.
It's not something I can do. One of those discussions
start about the flip heady. One of those discussions start
about the heat pump jupis creepers. Why heat pump remote

(01:40:00):
so bad? Anyway? Am I right? With heat pumps? You
just have it on warm and amount it goes to
and then it gets to there and it stops. Otherwise
it's going hot and cold the whole time. We've got
that one right. Feels like we needed the annual winter
reminder of how heat pumps work, Otherwise it pumps it
out too strongly. Marcus Luxeon's strong desire to be prime

(01:40:21):
minis to overtook his negotiating ability he was not interested
in putting the country first. MMP generally works. Well, there
you go. We could another election. That was probably the answer,
because this was always going to end badly. Although they
have gone, or they might go the three they might
go the three years be fifty to fifty at this stage,
would it? I thank people wuld quite enjoying early election.

(01:40:43):
But jeep'st creepers is not many good. Inflation is not
looking good, Oh Marcus. People may forget that Labor were
the first government under MMP that had a clear majority
and did not get drunk on power. I would hate
to imagine what state where we would be in if

(01:41:03):
any of our current coalition governments were given this power.
Winston peers if your call las lection actually gave it
a feat speech on lecture night, and by the skin
of his false for the skin of his teeth was
later part of the coalition. He and his sidekicks do
nothing for modern New Zealand and halt any progressive policy
with a miniscule percentage of the vote. Luxon has an

(01:41:23):
empty vestl out of touch with New Zealander. Isn't out
of his depth. Labor under Adirn had no problems handling
Peter's chairs, Carl. So there you go. Text if you
want to nine to nine two to text one might
have been written by AI. I'm looking at that that email.
I mean I don't have a problem with the content.
I was looking at what that email said. No, we

(01:41:46):
don't know where I pick that up. Text if you
can nine two nine too is the text number? Just
tune during any list has felt that earthquake, rumble, rumblin todd,
I'll look at that. Mark is just looking on flight
radar twenty four. No planes are near or landing at
Moscow six airports, some circling, some diverting. Your dron attack
is let me just check if there's been a recent

(01:42:07):
earthquake eight away from a levels want to talk here
to midnight? Man of is Marcus good evening talking MMP
your thoughts. I'm not seeing a recent quake when you
talk about the one that was earlier. There was a
two point five five minutes ago that might have could
have been it. But there's been a lot of quakes
from that same spot. They're all northwest of Takaha. Two

(01:42:28):
point five or two point eight to one, A point nine,
a one point eight to three point six or two
point five, a three point two, a two point two
or two point nine. There's been a lot of quakes
tonight northwest of Funga Mattah. If you felt those, let
me know you felt all of them. Would have been
unpleasant evening, Marcus. The last first past the post election
was nineteen ninety three, so the only citizens with experience

(01:42:51):
of it are fifty one years and older. I don't
think there is a remote chance the younger population could
be convinced first pass the post is the way to go.
I voted for MMP in the original referendum to stop
trivial legislation, and I think that has largely been achieved. Yes, Marcus,
heat pumps are best left on auto and sun at

(01:43:13):
twenty degrees. When it reached that point, the room of
heat and room will go on off and come back
when temp drops. Yes, that's what we've finally worked out
with OLS. If you turn on and off, we'll use
more power, also keep filters clean. I don't know who
would be using the other thing, and it'd be crazy
to have your room juggle around that temperature up and
down all day. But I enjoyed the discussion. Thank you

(01:43:34):
for that. Heat pumps and well, some of the texts
are getting good about a MPs. It's good to keep
your calls coming through, just not calls about hats. I
think that trivializes everything. And I'm not quite sure why
everyone is excuse my frustration, but cheapest creepers. It does
amaze me the population's ability to get mobilized about something

(01:43:56):
that really, in the scheme of things, is irrelevant, and
that sort of seems to be at some level of
level engagement we have these days. Are they wearing hats? Yeah?
Slightly depressing, but that's fine. I think our problem is
not probably the parliamentary system. It's probably the social media
system and some of the stirring up that's driving people's thoughts.

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We can't ban that, or can we? Oh eight hundred
eighty tenty and nine two nine two text you want
to come through Marcus till twelve? Oh? Anyway, why do
people call the Prime Minister and politicians by surname?

Speaker 17 (01:44:37):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
What a stupid text? It complain if we're calling him Chris.
I mean, that's not the issue. The issue is the
parliamentary system, isn't it. That's what we're discussing. So yeah,
although it's sobering. But if you want to talk after
the news, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty and nine
two nine to de text, If you want to come
through here til twelve o'clock looking forward to anything you

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want to mention? So yeah, jump in, Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty and nine two nine to de text.
Who's on after me tonight? TV? To and beverage along
from twelve. Oh by the way, a new young star
and snooker, twenty two year old Jiaosing Tong. And of

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course he is the youngest person since the last young guy.
Who's the name I remembered when it was mentioned on
the news. He was a great player for a long
long time. Stephen Hendry was. I'm pretty sure Stephen Hendry.
She might have mentioned that also tonight. Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty and nine two nine ten texts
want to come through here till twelve? MMP MMP should

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be scrapped? We only need two parties. What if we
going to start a new party? Should you be banned?
When that seems even mortracnian that we going to have
two parties? Oh, some good texts coming and I'll get
to those two and we are discussing whether people are
happy with MMP, and I guess probably what we can
say is that listening to the call for the last

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two hours after we moved on from Chicken, people aren't
really thinking about MMP. They are just unhappy with politics.
So I don't know that. I don't know if that
means that they are despondent or disenfranchised. Probably both. So
if you desponded and disenfranchised, I guess you really haven't
got much will to change, you think, because you're already

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checked out. A couple of people texting about the Opportunities
Party now for those that don't know, and I don't know,
huge and mound about them. The Opportunities Party was the
party started by Gareth Morgan. I believe it since progressed
into that, since progressed into something that's less focused, because

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he was obviously an abrasive and it's hard to warm
too because he's sort of the Probably get Gareth Morgan
is that he wanted everyone to believe there was the
smartest man that ever lived. That was my take of it.
So none of the discussions with their reporters of Red
Good that wasn't it was supposed to be an exchange
of new ideas, but he didn't have the personality to

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get that stuff across. But since he has kind of
stepped back, I think the party has progressed as something
that probably has become the party of ideas rather than personalities,
and it could certainly get over five percent in the
next election, and I think it's probably a moderate group
that could go with either government. So yeah, that would

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be interesting as well. So you might want to mention
that too, But yeah, your thoughts after thirty years on MMP,
But yeah, maybe there aren't many people with experience first
past the posts that want it back. Cause ill tell
you what it wasn't good. Every year it was National
or Labor and hundreds of thousands of votes every year
were wasted because they went to parties that got no representation.

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So if you look at the results from like nineteen
eighty seven, and I'll just say if I've just chosen
that as I don't know if that was an overly
representative year or not. If you look at the results
in ninety seven in New Zealand, do do? And I'm
just looking at that now, which party got what for

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every difficult to actually see. Yeah, it's not the right
website for me, but I'll see if I can find
those details. But they're probably about twenty or thirty percent
of votes that've got no representation at all, whereas these
days it sounded about three or four percent. So yeah,
talk about election change if you want to, oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty, I'll read the texts. We

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started with two party coalitions. Now we have a three
party coalition. What if the Opportunity Party get in a
November and we get a four party coalition, are we
heading for increasingly unstable and short term government under MMP? Well, no,
because the number of the MMP governments it didn't go
the distance were two party ones. So I don't know

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if it indicates that the more parties, the less stable. Marcus.
Mister Luxon congratulates himself for holding three parties together in
coalition when we are when we are seeing it as flaky.
It's going to be a long cold winter for him.
Jisinda had four parties to contend with it. She managed
well with no blow ups well under her. We await

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with interest now to see what happens with this coalition.
Wayne hi Agen, Marcus re MMP. New Zealand is regarded
as a democratic developed nation in this world. However, we
are different and a minority of states as a so
called developed nation. That is, along with the UK and Israel,
we don't have a comprehend a comprehensive constitution divining our
state and rights of our peoples. This amend's void is

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the biggest impediment regarding our development and future. Time for
kiwis to engage in a constitution formation asap. Then, as
opposed to being subject to partisan parties, we can all
engage in best directing our future. Thanks Rob Marcus. Don't
continue to create doom and gloom. Negativity breeds negativity. The
government are an unenviable position right now, so please create

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some joy.

Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
Robin.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
Well, that's not my job in the governm. It doesn't
need false joy. What I'm talking about is whether we
are better off with MMP or First past the Post.
That's the discussion. So you want to talk about that
or anything else, come through. Thanks Robin for your text
though nine to nine to the text head on midnight
tonight if you want to have anything to say about
this or anything else tonight. All the lines are frowed

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like your input, because everything else we discuss people always
say the problem is MMP. Now I've asked you, what's
the problem. No one's ready taken up the echos on
that one, So yeah, come on, now's your chance. We
don't often get to discuss our political system, but you

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don't tell me not to create doom and gloom. I'm
normally a pretty positive person, but the country's in a
I mean, it's not great, and I think it's the
government's job in some ways to create confidence and optimism
or to show her on the right track. And I
don't think we've seen a lot of that. A lot
of leadership might be wrong. That's kind of the way
I can see it, or the way I do see it.

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Hundred and eighty. There's something I want to mention tonight,
good sh eighteen past eleven, Tim Beveridge from twelve Noel.
Nice to hear from you. It's Marcus. Good evening.

Speaker 17 (01:51:18):
Yeah, it's good that I've been listening to you all night,
but you shut off at the last news. Oh yeah,
that's ring. You see what the hell is going on?

Speaker 3 (01:51:30):
What is going on? What is going on? Is the
reception not going out?

Speaker 17 (01:51:34):
Well, it's just not I've been listening all night, okay,
and I just just got off the phone. But he
was the last news and never came back on. It
just was the blink, you know, Marcus, the good show tonight.
It's good to hear and good on the plackus Tracy.

(01:51:56):
I mean they have the ten hour operation be as
wide awake as she was. That's not a pretty good
going and that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 17 (01:52:07):
Yeah, And regards to finish past to pace, no way
do we every want to get back the lady rubbish.

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
Because people don't chase people. I think people when they're
unhappy with politics, they just blame the particles that they
blame the way we're voting, and don't they That seems
to be that that seems to be like, oh we're
not happy, it must be m MP's fault. But I
think actually probably m m P is probably a lot better.

Speaker 17 (01:52:33):
Yeah, And they don't understand it. They don't take it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
They don't they don't understand today the woman that says
she doesn't understand it because yeah, I can't work and
she she said thirty years to understand it.

Speaker 17 (01:52:45):
Yeah, crazy, No, they don't change it. We've had enough aberrations.
You know with people trying to change fair and try
and trying to change.

Speaker 3 (01:52:57):
The thing was crazy. Absolutely the flag thing was absolutely crazy.

Speaker 17 (01:53:06):
People died for that and you're just getting to change it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
J Key had all that popularity, but his whole legacy
was that whole flag thing. I don't even know why.
I don't even know why he tried it.

Speaker 17 (01:53:17):
No so and after Pike River he didn't didn't come
up well with me in no way way. But anyway,
thank you for the good program.

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
Yeap, nice to talk to you. Yep, nice to talk
to Oh, thank you that twenty past eleven cure Marcus,
I'm done with MMP. You can't vote out politicians you're
unhappy with because I often have a high list position
if they lose their electorate. I'm unfair of single transferable
vote STV as we had last year for local body
elections in some regions. I don't know how that will

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affect people that are on lists. Maybe someone can explain
that to me, Marcus, there is nothing wrong with m MP.
People are suffering and disillusioned. This is mainly due to
a lack of leadership and the two tales wagging the
doll shann It's Marcus, thanks for calling in.

Speaker 21 (01:54:09):
Good evening, Yes, good evening, Marcus. Right right, I'll get
a bone people with you.

Speaker 17 (01:54:16):
It's not a fresh.

Speaker 21 (01:54:17):
Spine or dog bone or care fine, but it's the
donsail bone right for starters. You want to keep your facts,
get your facts right, and keep your eye ever else
people's business regarding how old they are? Do they go
asking you.

Speaker 11 (01:54:34):
Hell you are?

Speaker 14 (01:54:35):
If everyone ask your hell you are?

Speaker 21 (01:54:39):
Would you tell me?

Speaker 17 (01:54:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
Try?

Speaker 19 (01:54:42):
No, you tell me how you are?

Speaker 3 (01:54:44):
You asked me how how are you? Marcus?

Speaker 4 (01:54:47):
No?

Speaker 25 (01:54:47):
I did how hell?

Speaker 6 (01:54:49):
How old are you?

Speaker 3 (01:54:50):
What aren't you how old?

Speaker 20 (01:54:53):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
I'm not going to tell you that.

Speaker 21 (01:54:55):
No, Well, there you go, you go around asking everybody else.

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
I thought how I thought you?

Speaker 3 (01:55:04):
You have those people that ring up Ianne are anonymous.

Speaker 6 (01:55:08):
It doesn't matter, Shanne.

Speaker 3 (01:55:11):
I can do what I want. That woman are you
talking about Glennis that says she didn't understand MMP and
she's been in that system since she's forty one. That's
a dereliction of judy.

Speaker 23 (01:55:21):
No, you said she was seventy three.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
No, she's seventy one now. But MMP's been around thirty years.

Speaker 21 (01:55:28):
Yeah, and you wouldn't yet, but you were not the hell.

Speaker 3 (01:55:32):
She was exactly, because it was as different if she
was ninety nine and she's been seventy when MMP came,
and she had some excuse if she was diminished to
not understand, but to be forty one and not bothered
to understand how it works, that's unbelievable.

Speaker 21 (01:55:48):
Yeah, well, you know you're just wanted them to get
your facts right much.

Speaker 3 (01:55:52):
So, Seanne, I did have my facts right.

Speaker 21 (01:55:56):
You need to keep your sticky pick it out ever else.

Speaker 3 (01:55:58):
Enne, I don't need to do anything.

Speaker 21 (01:56:00):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (01:56:01):
Why don't you take advice from you? Well, I appreciate
your opinion. I find it quite fun.

Speaker 20 (01:56:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:56:07):
Wow, it sounds to me like you're coming and really
strong tonight, like what's going on?

Speaker 6 (01:56:12):
Well?

Speaker 21 (01:56:13):
Have you him? Seemed more than anybody else? What do
you get up there and talk to Christopher Luxe And and.

Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
I don't think you'd come on the show? What are you?

Speaker 25 (01:56:24):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
And the point of the show, and the point of
this show is to speak to the people. The whole
way this show works as people phone and there's never
interviews on, never anything set up. It's a phone in show.
If Christopher Reluxan wants to call up he's more than
welcome to.

Speaker 21 (01:56:40):
Oh yeah, but you'll be working your Marcus.

Speaker 3 (01:56:44):
Towards the election. Towards election, politicians will ring in. But
haven't you got your factory right in the past by
making up fires and ash Burton and making out you're
someone that's tyronic that you're talking about getting your facts
right when you are someone that's a wild fabuloust that's
will then love your show and I appreciate your honesty. Okay, yep.

(01:57:15):
And there's Mark Well you showing what you were you born.

Speaker 7 (01:57:19):
War Oh, I'm telling what I'll tell you.

Speaker 25 (01:57:22):
Do you tell me what?

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
Yeah, you were born secret? Thank you, Pauline, it's Marcus.
Good evening.

Speaker 8 (01:57:28):
Hello Marcus. I'm just ringing out to tell you how
old I am. I'm seventy two. So I understand why
knowing an age of someone means that you can relate
to an error they were working in the fifties or sixties.
I totally understand how that works. I just thought i'd

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tell you seventy two.

Speaker 3 (01:57:52):
And also about people that ring up for anonymous because
they don't know that that. Yeah, I mean, you can
look at Wikipedia find out my age. It's not on
put Okay, thank you. It's a bit of liveliness. Twenty
eight past eleven. Keep it going, I thought you'd talk
about it. Keep keep your st I keep it out.

Speaker 6 (01:58:07):
I love that.

Speaker 13 (01:58:10):
Woo.

Speaker 3 (01:58:14):
A lot of advice from the texts MMP. It's got
the big thumbs up tonight from people. So don't start
ringing me up and saying it's MMP's the problem, because
people seem to be quite happy with it tonight. Tonight,
one point three million people have applied for the twenty
twenty seven London Marathon. Unbelievab how many people obsessed with marathons.

(01:58:38):
They're looking at expanding it to two days. Everywhere I
go there's people obsessed with marathons. Ah. I'm still finding
that woman on Fun today that's doing a super marathon
every day for about a thousand days. It's unbelievable. She's
finishing in September. David's Marcus good Evening.

Speaker 11 (01:58:53):
Oh good evening. Marcus just liked a weigh in on
them MP think yeah. Just as a prelude to it
all happening. Thirty years ago, Bob Jones had a four
out with Muldoon and so he started up his own
party for the list. May I can't remember the name
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:11):
I think it's called the New Zealand Party, was.

Speaker 11 (01:59:13):
It, Yeah, that's right, it was.

Speaker 10 (01:59:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:59:15):
Anyway, I'm pretty sure they got eleven percent of the vote,
but they never got a seat. And I think that
really started the whole debate. Now just moving on to
MMP itself, I mean there's been three significant events. The
first was that the Mary Party when it was formed

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worked with John Keith.

Speaker 17 (01:59:40):
Yep.

Speaker 11 (01:59:41):
Bit hard to imagine the Mary Party today working with
the National Party, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:46):
Well it meant that John Key understood MMP, but I
don't think he worked for them. It was an understanding.
It meant that he had two groups so one couldn't
held him to ransom. So he did something for every clever.

Speaker 11 (02:00:00):
Yeah, yeah he did. Yeah. And I mean, you know,
she Turiana was quite an amazing politician because I mean,
you know, she got things done for her people, and
they never appreciated her for that. They tossed her out.
And yet you know they were a moderl hang.

Speaker 3 (02:00:21):
I don't know who tossed her out.

Speaker 11 (02:00:23):
Oh when it went to the elections, you know, the
the they were voted out. They lost his seats after
I think it was after one election.

Speaker 3 (02:00:34):
Was she was originally from the Labor Party.

Speaker 11 (02:00:37):
Yes, yeah, but then she formed the Mayor Party.

Speaker 3 (02:00:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:00:40):
And then so at that next election he invited her
into his government. And you know, she did two significant things.
One was the best, but.

Speaker 3 (02:00:53):
She wasn't thrown out. She retired from politics Dave Okay, Yeah,
And November November twenty thirteen, she confirmed that she would retire.
At the twenty forty elections, she gave a valedictory and
succeeded by Madama Fox.

Speaker 11 (02:01:09):
Okay, yeah, but they lost, but they lost his seats,
didn't they.

Speaker 3 (02:01:14):
I don't know Madama Fox got back in, but I
think that sometimes they went to Labor and sometimes went
to the Yeah, I know, I thought they got back in.

Speaker 11 (02:01:21):
Yeah, Okay, moving on. You know we talked about landside victories.
I mean to say under m MP the two twenty
three election. You know, Labour got a landslide victory. They
didn't need anybody. No, they probably never to see that again,
but I mean, you know, it did prove that it
could be done. And I mean, you know, we talk

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about left versus right. Who would have thought that Winston
who was died in the Wall National Party protget of
Mauldine would have gone with labor.

Speaker 3 (02:01:59):
You could say that Muldoon was a socialist though, couldn't
you big government building dams. I mean that was the
thing about Muldoone that was his criticism is that he
was a socialist.

Speaker 11 (02:02:08):
Right, I don't remember that.

Speaker 3 (02:02:10):
Well, that was the thing. I mean it was all
about government, think big. It was about government's involvement in
industry and stuff like that.

Speaker 11 (02:02:16):
Yeah, yeah, he certainly. I remember the young fellow of
seventeen going to a meeting at Tia Mutu and he
was speaking and my Goshi could certainly handle a room.
It was quite an entertaining night.

Speaker 3 (02:02:32):
I think what's interest for MP is they said in
other countries, MMP has meant that the minor parties grow
and grow and grow. And in New Zealand we've seen
the minor parties come along and they haven't done much
apart from this time when you've got sort of act
in New Zealand first both over ten percent and for
the first time they look like they're both parties that

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will be sustainable on their own merit rather than having
sweetheart deals in EPSOM and that's probably something significant of
MMP that minor parties have been able to get representation
and then grow rather than just being there for a
term and then getting booted out.

Speaker 11 (02:03:10):
Yes, that's that's quite true, and it's not a.

Speaker 3 (02:03:12):
Bad's that's not a bad thing. Is it more parties?

Speaker 11 (02:03:15):
No? No, I think it's good. But and obviously somewhere
along the line they have to jump into bed with
one of the bigger parties, and you know it's got
to be compromise on both sides.

Speaker 3 (02:03:26):
So it looks like the votes, it looks like the
voters are more tolerant now if someone gets in the
like if Winston gets into politics with Nashville, they're not
going to just vote about it the next time. Because
normally when you zeal In first has got into coalition,
they're falling below the five percent. But this time, yeah,
they've managed to use that profile to really look like

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I mean, they're sorted for this time, aren't they. Everyone's
talking about Winston being the deal maker at twenty twenty six.

Speaker 11 (02:03:55):
Yeah, well, old Jamie on the Farming program, he's always
counting in Winston for prime minister. I'm a little bit worried.

Speaker 3 (02:04:03):
Serious, how would you know, Dave nice to talk that
I did want to talk more about that chicken. That
country came in. What it's called now, I can't remember.
There's sixty one shops of it around the country. I
can't go back all through my texts. But is it
worth buying? How much is it a piece? Is it
chapen and KFC that's the one. You get it like

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dairies all around the country. So give me a yell
about that one. I forgot. We started took countries are
called country chicken, so yes, that's the plan. But country
fried chicken? Is it consistent or is it a bit
kind of up and down country fried chicken. I'll welcome
to you, Anne Elbka listening from Durban, South Africa. It's definitely.

(02:04:45):
This is Marcus. Good evening.

Speaker 9 (02:04:48):
Hey Marcus, here the chicken? You get the chicken chicken?

Speaker 3 (02:04:53):
I haven't heard of chicken? Ea, yes, where where would get?

Speaker 9 (02:05:04):
And yes, good stuff?

Speaker 26 (02:05:06):
But it is thick trod.

Speaker 9 (02:05:10):
But all no, No, it's better.

Speaker 25 (02:05:13):
Than k.

Speaker 3 (02:05:16):
Are you are you something? Are you something that's got
one of those metabolisms you can eat what you want? No,
that's that's been that's been a sticky. But because someone's
worry about your truck driver was wondering what wondering what
you can eat?

Speaker 26 (02:05:34):
Yeah, that flop way stuff. No, I can't can't eat that.
That's it's spicy. Yeah, it's yeah, not nice.

Speaker 3 (02:05:42):
It's different, isn't it. It's different to KFC.

Speaker 9 (02:05:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (02:05:45):
I tried some and I through through I had to
throw it away.

Speaker 3 (02:05:50):
What about the country fried you get at the deerries?
He into that.

Speaker 26 (02:05:54):
Haven't had that one, but I presume would be close
to the chicken, which is pretty good.

Speaker 3 (02:06:01):
Okay, I'll find out more, Stiffanie, thank you for coming through.
Mary Marcus welcome.

Speaker 27 (02:06:07):
Hi, Ma, Hi Marcus.

Speaker 4 (02:06:09):
Mary.

Speaker 27 (02:06:10):
I want to know how you're getting on with your
what do you want?

Speaker 3 (02:06:14):
Well, I'm not trying to get rid of it.

Speaker 27 (02:06:16):
I thought you were.

Speaker 3 (02:06:20):
What I'm trying to do right as enable the tea
tree the monica to outgrow it. Ah good, Yeah, And
I think once the monica outgrows it, it gets quite
dense and it'll kill all the gorse and all the black.
So it's a twenty year project.

Speaker 27 (02:06:37):
Oh right, that makes sense that. I hope that works
for you.

Speaker 3 (02:06:41):
You are embarrassing that doesn't. But I still have to
maintain fences and there's still a lot of work was
actually out with the scrub bar today doing it just
because a top pang when the GPR. So I'll tell
you what I'll do, Mary, I'll check some if you
go to Facebook markets last night. I'll check some shots
on tomorrow on Facebook.

Speaker 7 (02:07:00):
Okay, brilliant.

Speaker 3 (02:07:01):
Thank you Mary, John Marcus, good evening.

Speaker 10 (02:07:05):
Hello, because when you were begging for people for.

Speaker 3 (02:07:08):
No thank you, I appreciate that. Yeah, that's good, thank you.

Speaker 10 (02:07:12):
I'll make the country happy. The particians have said that
they're going to take half a pay cut.

Speaker 14 (02:07:17):
Wow, wouldn't that be fantastic.

Speaker 11 (02:07:19):
It didn't make us all happy people.

Speaker 3 (02:07:22):
Some people though, say if you pay, if you pay half,
you'd get people with half the ability.

Speaker 19 (02:07:27):
Or so, so we'll have who have no ability.

Speaker 3 (02:07:34):
Good on you, John. Flip from that one on the
head at nine to midnight. Now someone has said a
text you said that you vote with your party vote
to become government. But that didn't work for Bill English.
The New Zealand first box of votes should not have
been able to be offered to labor until the National
Party could not form a government. Well they couldn't. Then

(02:07:57):
there were enough votes they needed Winston and then Winston
wouldn't work with them. So yeah, I mean, I understand
your subtleties, but you want to vote for the you
vote for the government. Will you know you vote for
the party that you want to form the government one
of the most votes. But they've got to have people
that can work with as well, and I think people
understand that, or maybe they don't. But Certaey hasn't harmed

(02:08:20):
Winston has it that he went with Labor in twenty seventeen,
he got voted out in twenty twenty, he came back
in twenty twenty three, and now he's polling higher than
he ever has. I believe. So the fact that he
went with Labor in twenty eight seventeen, people seem to
have forgive forgiven him for that. So what does that mean.

(02:08:44):
I don't know what that means. People just can't seem
to get him out of their system. Well, I've enjoyed
tonight in a manner of speaking, if you want to
come through quickly, I can talk to Otherwise I'm going
to go home. But if you want to be on air,
that would be good to hear from you. Yes, we
got there. In the end, it's like to say, tonight
we got there in the end, and hopefully it's got

(02:09:05):
people thinking a bit more MMP and what they're going
to do with that. I've enjoyed the heat pump texts
heat pump people that turn them on and crack the
temperature of thirty to heat their house up quicker and
it gets hot. So turn it back off of the
people that have the high power bills if you set
it twenty two heating and when to leave it on
that lot cheap to run d That's right, Jillian, This
is Marcus. Good evening.

Speaker 13 (02:09:27):
This good evening, Marcus. Just to bif comment about MMP.
The system we've got in New Zealand has been twisted
by the political parties. MMP is meant to have the
people that are meant to vote for the people that
they want in parliament on the list. Overseas, in Belgium,
for example, you choose your political party. The political party

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have put out a list of people that they want
to represent their party on the list, and the voters
go through that list. For example, you might to the
Green Blue Party and then you go one, two, three,
four people that you should be I think should represent
that party in the list. The people in Belgium elect

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the list MPs themselves. The political parties do not put
out a one, two, three, four list of our favorite people,
the hopeless ones at the top, and we get what
they want us to have our system. The Commission recommended
that that's what we have in New Zealand, that the
parties put out a list of names and then the

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voters tip to the party they wanted, and then they
ranked the names on that list for the people they
wanted from that party. That is what we need to
have in New Zealand. And I guess we have to
lobby to get that system in as possible the political party.

Speaker 3 (02:10:52):
It doesn't seem to be anyone that. There doesn't to
be anyone were the appetite for lobbying though it does there?

Speaker 13 (02:10:58):
No, Well, perhaps maybe maybe I might have to do it.

Speaker 3 (02:11:01):
Yeah, well, you seem to be well versed in an ord, Gillian.
Could could you be bothered with the battle coming to
explain it to people?

Speaker 13 (02:11:09):
I could be, But I guess I've been bothered battling
other things and maybe this one's more important. But perhaps
I'm in my eighties now. But and it would be
great if other younger people battled for it. But that's
what we need, that's what the Commission recommended, you know.
I think it's a great, big three page volumes of
whatever they decided all those years ago, the recommendations from

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the Commission.

Speaker 3 (02:11:32):
I remember that.

Speaker 13 (02:11:34):
I don't remember who's on it. I I did get
the documents once and read them. That's how I know.
But I do know that in Belgium that is a system.

Speaker 3 (02:11:44):
Appreciate that you then, thanks so much for that.

Speaker 1 (02:11:46):
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