Which one's healthier (1 April 2026)

Marcus talks the change to Easter Alcohol laws, and gets deep into Seagull outboard motors.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Greetings, good evening, My name is Marcus. Welcome here toll
twelve o'clock tonight. I hope it's good where you are.
If it's not good, I hope it's better by the
time I go home. Oh oh eight and eighty ten
eighty nineteen nine to de text. You want to come
through non curated talk, that's the plan tonight. So yeah,
I've got haven't got much tonight. I'm kind of my

(00:34):
topic kittay is just about beer. That's all right, things
will come what I can tell you, okay, And this
is probably neither here nor there. However, well I'm going
to start with this. And it's not a moan, but
it's a what do you reckon? And it's not earth shattering,
but it's all I've got. On some social media platform today,

(01:00):
I saw some click bait that I'm a sucker for
and it was a guy in England and his post
was England's twenty best chocolate Easter Eggs rated you know what.
It might have been thirty, not twenty, but Cheit was
compelling and I watched it from the beginning to the end,

(01:23):
and I thought, wow, I'm not a chocolate person. I'm
not an Easter person. But by the time the end
of this ratings got I thought, wow, I'd buy some
of those, because most of them were giant chocolate eggs.
But there was something very special with the chocolate, whether

(01:43):
it be salted, carameled or do but mind you do
buy chocolate stots these days, with Do Buy being in
the state of crisis. But I watched that whole thing.
I thought, cheapest creepers. These looked delectable, and they had
a quick look at the soup bank on my way
to work. None of them are available, and their own
offerings looked shocking. It's either Rainbow Valley or they look terrible.

(02:08):
And there's always a triumph of packaging over product. So
why am I saying this. I've got no idea and
I've got nothing else. But what I think I might
be asking in some deep way, is I thought I'd
spend some money on a good egg. You work hard
to jobs. Probably there's a good ego, buy it just
to try it. I'm not a food brag and all

(02:33):
I guess what I've heard. But yeah, I thought, well,
if there was a good ego buy it. If there
was one that had a sort of a mature chocolate
taste for an adult, I'd get into it. Nothing nothing
at the supermarket. So my question to you, I don't
know what my question is. Have you tried making your
own more sophisticated eggs or are there any probably I

(02:56):
should try buying that I haven't become aware of. I
know there's some bougie chocolate shops out there. You might
have given it a go, But yeah, I just saw it.
I thought cheap has crep because what happens to the
kids will on wrap them in the red tie and
they'll have a bite. Then you've just got those egg
carcass left lying around for the rest of the easter
before the fog gets wrapped away in the fall and

(03:16):
thrown away. So yeah, I've got no idea what I'm
asking you, but you might want to reply so jumping
if you can, because England seems to take it really seriously,
and they seem to have chocolate tears doing all sorts
of things. We have nothing, so you might have you
might want to pine on that. But maybe you've discovered

(03:36):
making something yourself, or maybe you've discovered some specials shop
doing something anyway, Marcus, did you see oil is now
below one hundred dollars? Wow? For how long? There might
be something you want to say about that? Marcus can't
believe the Easter training will passed through. Karen Macinnaughty's argument

(03:58):
computing forward, what was so wrong about having a four
day breather? People now have been forced to work. He's
argument that these places were open anyway, no bars there
until four am. Jerem it got no problem with it.
Not a drink. It doesn't make sense to me if
you want to drink drink. We're not a Christian nation. Yeah, no,
I don't have a problem with that. Seemed to be

(04:18):
a conscience. But I thought that guy during the news
with his voice, whatever it could came, remember what it said.
It just seemed to be idiotic what he said that
indied first guy. Still can't remember what it was anyway,
But do come through you want to talk eight hundred
eighty ten eighty and nine to nine to text if
you want to be a part of it. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty If you want to be a

(04:39):
part of it'd be nice to hear from you. If
anything else you want to talk about, feel free to
come through. So have you say, there might be something
you want to talk about oil. Everyone's always on about oil.
I will keep an eye on the Brent crude and
there might be some other topic you want to talk about.
And that's God be good to hear from you tonight.

(05:00):
I think brink crude will be down because he said
the United States going to walk away. We can just
police the straight of her moves out. If that's even
a thing. I don't know it is. They are right,
it is down. It's on ninety nine point nine seven five,
so only just low a hundred, but below one hundred
it is. Let's how to keep your texts coming through, Marcus.
I'm still chomping my way through my icing Easter egg

(05:22):
from the nineteen eighty five school fundraiser Loll. Worst Easter
egg even it will wear those white eggs you used
to see, but they're like I sing, terrible Marcus. My
friend wasn't going to buy Easter eggs but saw some
reduced to buy half to four bucks, and when you
got home found they're all just half a mellow egg.
Loll Marcus. Suspicious historygg combos, of course, the easter egg

(05:47):
shoved into a hot crossbun. You can't go wrong. I'm
liking that, Marcus. Why don't we just sell booze twenty
four to seven then? Based on your logic, Oh, I
don't have a problem with it. Do what you want
to do that sort themselves out because it's probably no
market for it. This is not a big deal macanalties bill.
It's not going to change much. I've got no problem
with it. And as soon as they open those bloody
gardens centers on Easter, I'm sick of those stories about

(06:10):
odorings breaking the law and opening up and not being
able to say it's crazy and what's wrong with people
wanting to garden during easter? Fidgetspin. If you want it,
you should be able to That's my saying. There, Hamish,
it's Marcus. Welcome, good evening.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Oh hey, Marcus, how's it going.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
How do you get yourself?

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (06:32):
I'm all right. I just wanted to switch it from
chocolates to boats. Great, you're saying there was so many
awesome chocolates all over the world, and you know we're Keywis.
We do a good job for boating.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
So yeah, I know you've rung up before with some
really interesting tangents. I don't know, are you serious or
you're in for a laugh.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
I just want to know, like, who around New Zealand is,
you know, getting out this weekend to you know, get
on the water and yeah, just enjoy themselves.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
So you want to know who are the New zealanderes
that want to get in boats?

Speaker 6 (07:09):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (07:09):
You know what type of boats? What are they up
to with them? You know, I've seen some great jet
boats around recently. And yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
If you're the talkback host and sitting up the show,
what would your opening game? But be where are the boats?
Who's in the boats?

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Oh? You're well above and beyond me. I don't know
what's I mean?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
What what? What boat of you? What boat of you got? Hamish?

Speaker 3 (07:32):
I'm into yacht myself.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
What sort of yachts?

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Just something that you can live on, you know, something.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
That m plus like a forty footer m m.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Some there someone where you can dance about and you know,
someone where you've got enough room to you know, have
your own and yeah, be good friends.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Have you got a yacht? It'd be nice to, wouldn't it.
Have you got a yacht.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
No, okay, so.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
You're not going away yachting for Easter.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Oh you're allowed to have friends, aren't you. Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Have you got friends with yachts?

Speaker 7 (08:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:10):
I've got some great friends with yachts.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Are you going away with them for Etamply?

Speaker 3 (08:15):
There could be something on the cards. I don't know.
You know, it depends on how they feel at the time.
You know, if we all want to get together and yeah,
go for it.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
You think they would have organized it now, wouldn't you?

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Why would you organize anything? I mean, I know some
things take preparation. If I already set, you know versus
New Zealand, is enough food to go around? You know?

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Isn't East of the Key? Isn't the key to East organization?

Speaker 3 (08:42):
I don't know. How do you play life? I mean enough?

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Thanks Hamu shivning past eight Marcus. I thought you were
a religious man, Jeepers. I don't think just I don't
think we're going to save our booze culture through restricting
the availability of alcohol, that would be my take. And
to restrict it just because of religious holidays just seems

(09:06):
to me makes no sense, makes no sense at all,
because we should be a secular society and people should
be able to do what they want. So yeah, I'm
surprised there. I'm surprised the vote was so close, but
you might want to wear that. There seems to be
some interest in that. It's probably better than Hamish, so
get in touch. So what are the rules? What's changed

(09:30):
allowing businesses to sell booze where once it was prohibited.
The changes would allow premises that are already open on
Good Friday, Easter Sunday ends, Act Day morning, and Christmas
Day to sell alcohol under normal conditions. So I presume
that if you've got a restaurant or a cafe that
normally can sell alcohol, now they can. This is not
bottle shops, this is perhaps not pubs. Oh yeah, but

(09:56):
you can maybe if your pubs are open. You don't
need to sell a meal, you sell a beer. So yeah,
i'd have a problem with that. It seems fine to me.

Speaker 8 (10:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
So the workers will be working there anyway, so it's
not people that would normally not be working now have
to go to work. And there's all those strange workarounds
that people had to buy a bowl of fries or
a passag drill. There was always a nod in a
wink and they did that anyway, and whether that was
a substantial meal, so it was a meal, so it
was all kind of it was all kind of ungrowing up.

(10:28):
But yeah, I don't have a problem with people drinking
on those days. They want to have a meal with it,
the plate will or not have a meal with it.
Got no problem with it at all. So this is
good Friday, Easter, Sunday end, Zac Day morning and Christmas Day.
I don't think there'd be many places open on Christmas Day.
Very few are open anyway. Bottle shops and supermarkets would

(10:49):
still have to be closed. So you're not going to
get people going get in the right pack and sitting
in the park on that day because they can't get them.
I got no problem with it all. Keep those texts
coming through and calls eight hundred and eighty ne'sa moon
launch tomorrow. Do know where to watch that launch? Why
would you watch it? Maybe some people like to watch it.
Marcus just tuned and there is no way Hamish has

(11:10):
any mates. That guy would do your head and if
you spent your weekend with him, great show. Andy and
I sailed from Lyttleton to Redcliffe today bypassing the new
Brighton Pear an amazing day. Bevo I have a boat
at lake gave him more three point three five minutes,
Aquamarina six horsepower, just two of us and the caravan
chasing fish in the boat very good. What will Albow

(11:35):
have to say at nine pm? His resignation or the
new mad Max twenty twenty six cast, that's when he's
going to speak. Someone said I want a nutritious breakfast
before church and needs to give him my guinness. Someone
said pathetic booze culture loses. They're not drinking. No one's drinking,
the kids aren't drinking alcohol. Sales are through the floor.
That's why they're chucking away the grapes in Marlborough. Everyone's

(11:58):
grown out of it or someone else has watched the
Ester egglist. Chocolate orange egg was five places too low
at ten. I was shocked and dismayed. The winner was amazing.
Why don't we have eggs like that? Trump said the
crisis is over now for oil. We can all just
go down and pick up as much as we want.
From Iran A great text, need some calls. Someone says,

(12:22):
unlike Hamish, I think spontaneity needs careful planning. But I
didn't realize people were so prickly about alcohols, and why
would you be prickly about alcohol? But I don't get it.
Is it because you don't trust yourself? You're in denial? Marcus?
A bit of a two for one Easter egg and
Easter eggs and boats. As a kid, our mum would
eat preservatives, couldn't eat preservatives, So my sister and I

(12:46):
made her a carabiste eggs. She said it was lovely,
but I'm sure it was awful. As for the call,
I didn't want to talk about Easter eggs. I live
aboard my forty six foot Hatterrass launch with my dog,
best life ever. Old mate Hamish will take the advantage
of the new laws and get on the ink on
his yacht. Expression on the ink? Is it even? Is

(13:09):
it even a term? It's hard to know what's a
term and what's a typo. In my day, I've heard
a lot of different terms for giving it a lash,
obviously with the sort of meetings I go too, But
I've never heard on the ink? Is it? Is that
a word for getting drunk on the ink?

Speaker 9 (13:28):
Neil hi, so hi?

Speaker 10 (13:31):
Hear me?

Speaker 11 (13:31):
All right?

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah and clear receiving.

Speaker 12 (13:34):
Yes, so with alcohol sales dropping through the floor. I
saw it simple agree when I was younger. And it's
on the gas at it because for a lot of
people really like it, the sum.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Of the air like alcohol.

Speaker 12 (13:48):
Yeah, you know, working in a ball saw high shop arrangement,
you got used to the patterns of which drinking when
on when, And it's not that you know these companies
were earning.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Oh yeah, I think it's the vineyards. I think it's
the great I think it's the wine drinkers that. But
it's the young people aren't drinking. They're all just playing
video games.

Speaker 12 (14:09):
Yeah, they're playing video games. Which one is healthier? Marcus?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
What do you think?

Speaker 12 (14:18):
I think alcohol's healthy because especially social situation, you think it's.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
A castlogen literally gives you cancer.

Speaker 12 (14:26):
I didn't know that. Also, who goes out on the ocean?
My brother's in coast Guard.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Don't say Hamish's topics got leads? This is going to
kill me. This is fantastic. Yep, who's got a who's
got a who's in Coastguard?

Speaker 5 (14:43):
Your brother brother?

Speaker 12 (14:45):
Yeah, he's out from duty tonight and this is up
in a Aukland. And also I've got a friend of
a trailer sale with you know, actors deekend on a trailers,
large trailers. Occasionally, we're not lately because the sea has
been so rough. Yeah, so yeah, that's all I wanted

(15:06):
to say.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I don't know they have a deck end on it.
Do you do you work at Would you say you
work super super super lick a man?

Speaker 3 (15:13):
No?

Speaker 12 (15:13):
I used to when I was younger. It was a
really great job. I recommend any young person wanting to
get ahead in life. The bosses are brilliant. It's a
really good company.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Is that still a thing? Does it still exist?

Speaker 12 (15:25):
I believe so, superlic I mean as I believe they're
still as soon.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
As soon as you said it, Neil, I had in
my mind I was going super liqua, super liquor.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Man.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Is it the jingle?

Speaker 5 (15:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, yeah, I love a good jingle.

Speaker 12 (15:38):
I came up with that jingle while I was working
you Oh whatever?

Speaker 5 (15:42):
Really?

Speaker 12 (15:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:45):
So firstly you've said what's say for alcohol or video games?
And now you've said you've come up with how would
you even come up with that jingle?

Speaker 12 (15:53):
Well, we had a competition and everybody had to submit
a cassette tape with what they thought could be a
possible jingle and mine was national really yeah, yeah, so yeah,
I was. I was a good work when I was young.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
What was the prize?

Speaker 12 (16:14):
Oh, just like a couple days off work or something
that's belief.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Give me the sing me the jingle?

Speaker 12 (16:21):
Now, oh cat, remembery at macas So I'm seventy five
years of age.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
What year were you born?

Speaker 12 (16:29):
Nineteen fifty?

Speaker 2 (16:31):
You sound younger than seventy five. Oh well, you know
i'd have picked you at forty. I thought you're making it.

Speaker 12 (16:39):
No, you don't want to see my white here for
a kick off.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Tear you and they'll enjoyge you greatly. I think the
thing that people I think the thing that it's that
petronizing attitude, that that people don't trust people to rationale
their food and take with their alcohol. I think that's
what upsets me most. Oh yeah, but you've got a

(17:04):
week because we're they to look after you. Let's just
not beat about the bush. If you're there to drink,
have a drink, you know, and be sensible to eat.
But it just seems to be weird that the government's
involved with that. So yeah, I don't I'm no temperance person.
I think this is probably fine. I think the whole

(17:24):
of Easter has become just such a bore with the restrictions.
I don't like the supermarket's been closed. I don't like change.
I like my Monday to Friday to wee they say.
I don't like the supermarkets closing. I don't like the
tariffs or the extra bit when you go out. I
don't know the fact that there's will be hours with
pubs and things. Don't like any of it. And I

(17:45):
don't know the fact that the garden centers have to close,
or there's that damn bookshop, photography shop and warnica that's
always in the headlines. Maybe those laws have change, maybe
the government's freed those up. But anyway, if you want
to actually kick up on that, tim up for that
discussion anyway, get in touch. Murray says. Hopefully the moon

(18:11):
Rocket wrote run out of fuel? Very good point. Didn't
Labor and the Greens bringing that law originally to control alcohol?
Good try. But I would imagine that law has been
around since the beginning of time. That would be my
understanding with that one, probably before there was even a
Labor party. Fight me for that if you've got different

(18:31):
views on that. But yeah, but it's a conscience vote,
as things with alcohol should be. People can vote the
way they like. That's the way anyway, Marcus. Hello Marcus.
The moon is about to be circumnavigated and there is
a fuel crisis. I was at South and Girls High
School physics classes to the moonlanding good luck to those
brave astronauts, Marcus. The Rogers family. Emma nol is he

(18:54):
in Duorgia heading southbound to twice all from christ down
to Warbirds on Saturday. My husband, I've listened to you.
He makes us listen on long trips or there should
be a vote who listens to what? And of course
those for Warbirds over Warnica. It's the Warbirds, but no
longer the current ones. Marcus. Now I'm in tears. Neil

(19:15):
didn't work for super liqr Man I reckon he might
be Hamish's only make great show and getting greater. It
has gone into the quiz and the quiz is looking
very very good. The quiz are at the end of
the year. The quiz is based on things listeners say,
could you believe that? Yes? Yes, so if you want to,

(19:36):
if you want to test of the questions from the
quiz I'll get to some and what famous cookbook and
what famous cookbook were carrots, silver beet and muscle muffins.
Let's just don't answer now because it's for the end
of the year. Andrew, it's Marcus, welcome, good evening.

Speaker 7 (19:54):
Good evening. I was hoping to talk about seagull outboard motors.

Speaker 13 (20:00):
Great.

Speaker 7 (20:01):
Yeah, so just off the back of the other gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
He much the topic, whisperer.

Speaker 7 (20:09):
Yes, correct, Now, me and a bunch of mates we
go down the White Ketto River over a two day
race and inverted commons using seagull autwal motors. So we
start from Lake Carapero and.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
We hang, hang, I'm going to bring up maps. Yeah,
do you go down the river?

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (20:32):
So we we start on the Saturday morning at Lake Carapiro.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
During east of the dam during Easter.

Speaker 7 (20:40):
Yep, during Easter.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Such a such can I just say what? It's such
a great time of the arista with a sort of
getting cool but nice days. It's it's a magic time
with the ear. I mean here I am begging the holiday,
but I love the time of Easter. Yes, okay, so
I'm at the Caterpedo hydro power station. So you're just there, Yes,
just downriver, downriver from Cambridge.

Speaker 14 (21:01):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 7 (21:02):
So the first league on the first day we go
from there through Cambridge, through Hamilton and Huntley and we
end up at Ranguary And for those who don't know
about seagull.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Outboards, hang on, hang on, we're going to get to that.

Speaker 7 (21:19):
Yeah, you're gonna love it.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Okay, I can't find I can't find Rangery? Is it?

Speaker 6 (21:24):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (21:24):
How far up is it?

Speaker 7 (21:27):
It's south of Huntley, north of Huntley?

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Sorry, yep, found it, found it, found it yep. That's
where we go the first day with that big islanders. Yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 7 (21:37):
Yep, yep, yep. First day and we've got to finish
within eight hours in the first day. And then the
second day we launch again at Huntley, sorry, at rung
early in the morning, and we go through Mercer and
we end up at Hood's Landing, which is near the

(22:00):
way Ketto River in the mouth of the right way
Ketta River.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Is that where it is?

Speaker 7 (22:06):
Year? Near Wayuku?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Sure? What's it called?

Speaker 7 (22:09):
Hunts Landing, Hoods Landing hwds?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Okay, I'm loving all of this. How many of you?

Speaker 7 (22:16):
And this is approximately twenty of us. Now, this has
been an annual tradition going on since nineteen eighty five,
and it started out with a couple of guys that
just sort of said, hey, I'll bet I'll race you
from Lake Carapiro to Hoods Landing and DC go up

(22:37):
will motives. They go about five kilometers an hour. They're
really old. More senior folk will know all about them
who grew up on the water.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
What folk did you say, will know about them?

Speaker 7 (22:51):
More senior folk.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, I like the way you call it.

Speaker 7 (22:53):
In the seventies, eighties, nineties, that type of thing. I'll
often pull up to a beach and a gentleman in
his sixties will say, oh, I remember my grandfather had
one of those in the fifties.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
And how is it a conversation you find boring or
excited to embark on?

Speaker 5 (23:13):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (23:13):
No, it's cool, it's cool.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
The old barge pusher.

Speaker 7 (23:17):
That's right, that's right. So you sort of you know,
two horsepower, three horsepower, five horsepower maximum.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
I think what is the history of those.

Speaker 7 (23:29):
They started out in the nineteen thirties and it was
a single cylinder engine. It was used in the war effort.
There were ten thousand of them ordered for the war
effort and they had to be operational for twenty four
hours I think something like that. And they were just

(23:53):
really simple solid engines. And to start them you wrap
a pull rope around the flywheel like the old cartoons,
and if it doesn't start, you wrap the flyover rope
around the flywheel again, give it a big pull. And yeah,
usually it will paul within them.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
When they stop making them andrew.

Speaker 7 (24:16):
Late eighties, they can't. They couldn't compete with the Japanese.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
And you'll have a fuel canister on board because you've
got a small fuel tech you'll need to refill as
you go. That'll be on board, that's right, yeah, yeah,
And are you on Tenney's or clinker Belt boat? To
what are you? And to do this?

Speaker 7 (24:31):
I myself in a rubber ducky. But people get really competitive.
Even though we're going you know, five, six, seven, ten
kilometers an hour, it's people take it really seriously. I
just go for a nice kind of cruise. We've got
to finish an under sixteen hours. I finished in fifteen

(24:52):
hours fifty eight minutes with an average of three point
five to one kilometers perwer.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
And how do people just say they were doing it
about twenty Okay, Now what about the carp. The carp
a lot of fish, a lot of sort of introduced
fish around Canapedo. Now there's a lot of those giant
fish that are everywhere.

Speaker 7 (25:10):
I can't say I have much knowledge on the fishing. Yeah, no, no,
we're full on not racing, but racing. Okay, And you
know you've got to be a little bit mechanically minded
and tinkering your.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, yeah, are you where's home for you?

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Auckland?

Speaker 2 (25:34):
I thought it might be loved it Andrew tell us
small Stenner's photos. So if you're seeing people up the
river on Easter, that's what they are doing. They go
from Cambridge to Hood's landing up the river. It's a
great thing to do and you'd feel a sense of
accomplishment at the end of it. I'm still going out
of the fact that guys see invented that jingle just
off the bat cheapest cream. Still about taking liberty with
the conversations twenty to nine. I enjoyed that. I'm enjoyed

(25:56):
talking about your boat expeditions and plans for I think
Easter is tailor made for an adventure. That's my theory
on that, and I'm looking forward to talking about this.
Get in touch if you got to people. By the way,
people love talking about Fred Ladd and amphibians last night,
so there's been some great communications with that. Why don't

(26:18):
the government do what they need to do, but get
the hell out of our lives. Easter trading should be
up to the businesses to open if they want to
hear here, and let's sort out the licensing trusts when
we can. Unbelievable, Marcus, what's Albanezy up to ex imminent
State of the Nation announcement? Why now? Well, because I
need to afford plan. But we'll find out at nine

(26:39):
o'clock what the announcement's going to be. Marcus.

Speaker 15 (26:43):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
The seagull motor just a massive part of both boating history.
John Popoma, Do I remember right that when I have
been to the Aucklands Maritime Museum that they had a
big display of seagum motors. Am I ra I got
that right? It was all sorts of motors. Because I've

(27:04):
never had a talk back night on seagull modes, I'd
like to talk more about that because yeah, I thought
that last guy was good, but I thought he could
have Yeah, he wasn't. Yeah, I mean it was really good.
It got it started. I thought probably with some new
voices it could be good.

Speaker 14 (27:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
I like a seagull motor. Of course there's one, untalented
mister Ripley. You might remember that, but it wasn't authentic
to the timeframe because of the square tank. But there
will be seagull obsessives. Oh and even in this, even
in the Maritime Museum article, there was talking about the
Waikato Regatta, the four hundred and twenty five climbing along

(27:43):
Waikata River. So there we go. We are talking about
seagull motors if you want to mention those, and about Albanezi. Marcus,
what is your view on the case of the Fjordland moose. Well,
I've been into wet Jacket Sound with mister Tustan and
I've seen none. Yeah, there's no moose there. I strongly

(28:03):
believe that. But it comes up all the time for
topics for those that don't know moose were released. They're crazy,
unfair for those giant animals with those steep hills that
break their ankles, and some say they have survived, although
they would have to survive and breed and there's been
no skeletons found and no verified sightings, so yeah, good

(28:27):
luck with that. Fourteen to nine. Yeah, by the way,
I think that.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
The the the.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
That what was this not that name and that guy
and they'requite in buck Yeah it was Jamie Arbuckle was
saying that the law was passed because it is the
opening of this christ Church stadium and they're worried about
people not going for a bear afterwards. So I don't
have a problem with them doing that for people going
to a bear afterwards, it seems like a perfect thing
to do. Why wouldn't you dB, It's Marcus good evening.

Speaker 9 (29:07):
When I had my bedboat, my engineer was obsessed with
seagull outboards.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Is there something particularly beautiful about the mechanism for people
to be obssessed with?

Speaker 9 (29:21):
And there was a single bang of two stroke and
they could be quite contrary to start. They took a
little bit of finessing to keep going, and they made
not so much noise to make movement, but smoke. And
I can nerve being on top of the floor of
sound to Kiss's Bay and the engineer was out in

(29:43):
his knee, oh say, two kilometers away, and you could
still hear the seagull and he had left because it
was dead car. He had left this trail of bloody
smoke just sitting on the water. Was Yeah, it's like

(30:05):
steam engines. Are certain people that just become in love
with them and yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Okay, I'm trying to look at the diagram of them now.
They are a single piston, is that right? Were the
chamber and it's a direct drive onto the propeller shaft?
Is that right? I think I've got that right.

Speaker 9 (30:22):
And during the war they were built with wooden pistons.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
That is interesting. Now why why would they why would
they be of use during the war? Is this for
the invasion? For the evacuation of Dunkirk?

Speaker 9 (30:37):
Uh, well, we're likely to go to the beaches. They
weren't designed to come back. Okay, it's all being such
a premium. I think the use of them vitie for
the piston.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
The beach, the heaviest wood in the world.

Speaker 9 (30:55):
That, yeah, and they would just get to the beach
and then they were the original one use throwaway item.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Why okay, well that is interesting.

Speaker 9 (31:09):
But just to finish that one off, I'm out in
my dinghy with a modern five horse power on that
now yeah, on the same trip.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Oh, the story is an anecdote. Yeah, you're out in
your your ing yep.

Speaker 9 (31:23):
And and my my engine went and died, and so
the engineer puts over with his and it must have
been a fifty year old on the back says do
you need to toe and carried us both back to
the ship, feeling right slug with themselves that my modern
engine had died and he could still go with his

(31:44):
fifty year old one.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
I hate him for you dB. Yeah, nice to talk,
thank you. Eight from nine. We've got a topic and
it's seagull motors.

Speaker 13 (31:56):
Cory.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
This is Marcus. Welcome and good evening.

Speaker 14 (31:59):
You know, how are you good?

Speaker 16 (32:00):
You're going to see on the on the back of
my Kevin Cruiser yacht and I'm I'm going to take
it out on Friday. I'm going to sail around like
Elsmere with it. But they are very low low talk.
So I mean you can put it at se a
little two horse power seed on a big boat and
still go the same speed as if you put it
on a little boat. And I think that's why they

(32:21):
designed them for the war, because you can actually push
something quite big. You don't go fast but you don't
slip that. It doesn't have much slippage in the water.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Corey, When you say they've got a low talk, could
you pretend I'm a real idiot. Oh, of course you did.
And tell me just exactly what you mean by that.

Speaker 16 (32:39):
Well, the blades.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
It iron Fred the blades. The blades not angled much,
so it just goes aboard very gradually. Is that what
you're saying.

Speaker 16 (32:51):
Yeah, yeah, but that way it doesn't have slippage either.
You can understand a lot of thrust, a lot of
low end thrust.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, I understood, well explained.

Speaker 6 (33:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (33:00):
I think that's why they designed them for the war,
because you could move a lot of troops on a
relatively big boat with a low horse power.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
It's a legendary. It's like the little It's like the
Little Train that could, It's like the Little Are they easy?
I mean, I don't know how many would have come
into the country. But are they everywhere or are they
were his Hen's teeth.

Speaker 16 (33:21):
I think you still can buy them on like Facebook.
I saw for you on there the other week and
only about one hundred backs shave. They're pretty cheap. Yeah,
And but this one's my father's one. So it's been
in the family for fifty years and it keeps going.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Can you tell me what you'll be doing on Lake Ellesmere?

Speaker 16 (33:39):
I'm just sally.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
You know.

Speaker 16 (33:40):
The lake's high at the moment, so yeah, the bottom.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
But will you be hunting kenada geese or will you
be floundering or ealing? Is it is because it's a
funny old lake in it?

Speaker 17 (33:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (33:52):
You know we are brought up on the lake. Okay,
of course these flounders, but there's a lot of hearing
in there. Now, Wow, do.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
You live do you live it? Do you live at
the hats or somewhere?

Speaker 8 (34:03):
Like?

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Are you someone that's got a plant.

Speaker 16 (34:06):
Point the other side? Least inside copy that?

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (34:11):
Yeah, yeah, okay, we had a family home there, spright
by the water bit. The lake is changing because we
my brother put a ned out a while ago and
got some granut in it.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
So is it because is it getting warmer?

Speaker 16 (34:27):
I think it's more salts in it and there's more
seafish coming into it.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Okay, because they they do things with it, don't they?
They breach it? Yeah?

Speaker 16 (34:38):
Yeah, but there's there used to be a lot more
flounders in it, but now there's a lot more hearings.
It's just full of bearings and with.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
A fine neck, could you get like buckets of hearings?

Speaker 16 (34:48):
Oh well, I put a net out a while ago,
one net, and literally the whole boat the bear was
sticking up in the air because there's that many fish
in it.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Did you pickle them?

Speaker 14 (35:00):
That's hearing.

Speaker 16 (35:01):
No, we just use them for baked for sea fishing,
because you go out and off the out of and
just use them for a bait fish with your seagull
and no, no souit cast off the beach. I see
the bar here which you can fish. So we use
the hearings for the the you know, catching the rig
and all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
You're you're the real deal. You've got got it all
down on.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (35:27):
Yeah, I used the duck. Shit that don't don't anymore
like ducks.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, I'm hearing you about that, Koreer. I'm not quite
sure we're a stand on that one. But nice to talk.
Thank you Beck. After the break it's talking about the
seagull engine. So you thank you Hamish your topic whisperer
where all go? So if you've just joined us, thank
you and welcome. It's a two topic nights. So far
we are talking about the fact that now after the
rugby at Jade, the new Jade Steady, you can go

(35:54):
out and have a bear afterwards it's going to be
anaugural night, so well done for doing that. And it
means when you go to a restaurant there's a bus
load of people, you don't have to actually buy a
bottle of chips before you can actually give it a nudge.
It's probably a maturation of New Zealand's and liquor loords
that have been remarkably kind of stuck in the nineteen

(36:16):
fifties over the years, but oh well, there are people
that want to know the lists and the names of
the people that voted for it. Sixty five fifty five
is a conscience vote, as matters of vice normally are
so but mainly we're also talking seagull motors mainly only
kind of Also are elbows speaking now that's Albinizi and

(36:40):
it's all about what's going on with Australia. He's leading
like a leader, haven't got it? There we go? In short,
the Prime Minister has asked those who can switch to
public transport of the coming months to do so, while
assuring Australians should otherwise carry on as normal despite the
global oil crisis. Have Rare addressed to the nation, interrupting

(37:03):
live broadcast on all radio and TV networks. He's asked
the Aussies to trade cars for public treans if they can.
It's hard to be positive, but urged us trains to
go about their business and life as normal and enjoy
your easter and if you're hitting the road, don't take
more fuel than you need. Just fill up like you
normally would think of others in your community, in the
bush and in critical industries. Do we think that our

(37:26):
leaders should be talking to the nation doing an elbow?
Should he?

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Why should he? He's phoning people overseas like the CEO
Steve Marcus welcome.

Speaker 10 (37:37):
Yes, I had a very large launch and he had
a big, big diesel engines in it. But we got
I got a conversion kit for a seagull. Editor took
the petrol tank off and the prop as a gauze
thing that fitted on the bottom. They were made in

(37:59):
England and we used it as a bilge pump hip.
The carburettor off in on the top off a floats
which there was a bit of water in the build.
It would pump all the water out of the bulge.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Goodness.

Speaker 10 (38:13):
Yeah, it went well. I've heard of a few people
converting them for water pumps. Yeah, it was very efficient.
I had one on my little clinker skiff that easter
and around on a manic hour.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
It was.

Speaker 10 (38:32):
It was okay as long as you didn't have a
head wind.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Did not have the guts into a headwind.

Speaker 10 (38:39):
Not really, No, I got caught once went out on
the menu e were bar. I always pulled the boat
behind me, picking up scallops and flounder and all that
sort of thing. I had have been for a flounder
and I couldn't get back the menure were off the bar,
so I had to puddle across to Wayuku stay in

(39:00):
the hotel overnight. Goodness, wait, wait till the wind changed.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
This is good story. So I want to hang on, Steve.
I love the Moneco. I want to explore this a
bit more. What year? What year were talking so pre
cell phones? Well yeah, yeah, so the monad is just
north off I suppose Kraka at the end of the

(39:27):
mouth of the po hoody hoodie and letter is that right?

Speaker 4 (39:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Around that I can see that I'm.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
On Google Maps. I can see that sand above proud
of the sea. By the way, the other week, I
walked around that island that they're turning into into.

Speaker 10 (39:42):
No oh, no, there's another there.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
And I walked around at what a bizarre place that
is Parto Rico, which is it's that it used to
be a farm and they put roads through it and
the house. It was bizarre.

Speaker 10 (39:58):
I don't know, but.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah, exactly. Anyway, I shouldn't say.

Speaker 10 (40:02):
That because I ended up getting getting habit habits the.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Okay, So well, so was no one waiting for you?

Speaker 10 (40:12):
Well no, not really No, No, I was on my own.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
And you weren't married at that stage. No, So you
go all the way across the wayouku and you take
you go up the inlet. I go up to the
hotel New Zeean's oldest hotel the Kentish Is that right?

Speaker 10 (40:27):
This year I saw the chappie that was run on
the place and I told him the story.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
You had flounder and scallops and your and your clinker clinker.

Speaker 10 (40:37):
Scale, he said. He looked at them and he said,
well we'll do it for your trade here, he said,
Scotts and flounder you get a night accommodation, and I'll
give you something to eat. We'll wait until the next morning.
You had changed the plug, put a bit more fuel

(40:59):
than the tank, fired it up, and went all the
way back across the habits back to so the menu.
We were remped to get back to get it back
on the trailer to go home. But while I was there,
I was able to pick up the phone ring back
home and tell Mom what had happened, so she didn't worry.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
So did you refill the bottle? Did he refill the boat?
Did you say?

Speaker 10 (41:23):
I had fuel, extra fuel and enough to get there
and back.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
So you stay the night the night? No money changed
nice meal, no money changes hands.

Speaker 10 (41:34):
No man, he changed hands.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Any and he cooked you your food.

Speaker 10 (41:38):
Well, not only that, I got a little bit of
us a bit and pieces as well, and a little
bit of something that the drink as well. You can't
stand a pab overnight without having a.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Little rooky and and your boat was just tied up
across the road at that and let there.

Speaker 10 (41:54):
Yeah, I pulled it up onto the hard was it here?
There's quite a tital flow there.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
No, that's the money go for you. I can mention okay,
And the next day you just putted with your sig
on motor.

Speaker 10 (42:07):
And we were a little the way back across the
habit were with or where I'd got going and ended
up getting home with nothing, but I had to work
the tide.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
It's a hell of a good story.

Speaker 10 (42:21):
Yeah, No, who are a fun with that one?

Speaker 18 (42:23):
Though?

Speaker 10 (42:24):
We were living a few in my time.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
We're living in Monadowa. Is that where you were?

Speaker 10 (42:29):
No, we lived, not to who I.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Thought you might have.

Speaker 10 (42:32):
Okay, but they are based It's an English design based
on a Villiers motors. The amateur, the carburetor and a
few other little bits and pieces were Villiers motor parts.
Villiers made motorcycles or power cycles I should say Beck

(42:56):
in the nineteen twenties. In some of the parts were
used to construct the seagull motors.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Okay, yeah, it's very interesting, just for the sake of
for the fake effect sake efect chicken. Yeah, it was
scallops and flounder.

Speaker 10 (43:17):
Your head on board, yeah yeah, fish has been full. Yeah, No,
I got there. There was no at those days, there
was no limit. I was going to be taking them
back to a function. We were having a neighbors next door
we had busy gardens and we used to swap things,

(43:38):
and I smoked fish and vegetables and that sort of
thing in the head, a little bit of a neighborhood
party that all I had. All I had to trade
in the party with the vegetables in the back. Yeah,
I said, where's all the fish? I said, oh, yeah,
you think I got back around to the back behind

(44:00):
the west Field freezing rooks and got a couple of
rounder there at the Yeah, just off of freezing works there.
When they were there were beast, he said, the freezing
works there was the place there where you could get flounder.
But yeah, I don't think there's any flounder up that
far in the men account now. Oh lo, I have
heard of people getting crayfish in the harbor.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Sharks used to me, Yeah, do you see any sharks?

Speaker 10 (44:28):
Oh, yes, you see them? I am standing on Yeah,
just see them. They could not going swimming in there, no, yeah,
but they wouldnt have got a life, and they when
the area.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
There wouldn't be crayfish and the monyco were there.

Speaker 10 (44:48):
I've heard people are catching them. Yeah, putting pots up
off Green Bay that somebody's been putting pots out the crayfish.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Do you think you've got a book on your Steve?

Speaker 10 (45:01):
Probably, but nobody will believe it.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
The good stories.

Speaker 10 (45:06):
Yeah, no, why don't you do Why don't you do that?

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Why don't you go to your local Why don't you
go to a writing course and put it all down?

Speaker 10 (45:14):
Oh yeah, okay, all right, Well.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
It'd be interesting and you'd enjoy it. You'd meet other people.

Speaker 10 (45:20):
No, no, nobody believed what I had done on my
time last Thursday to seventy and I'm the last of
my class at school. Who college and.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
All the others did none of.

Speaker 10 (45:34):
Them got the sixty mates.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
No, he's just god, he's gone, he's okay, just dropped out. Well, no,
I don't want to beg on. No, that's we're done.
We're done with them. But nothing bea would happen to
him because we were still could have heard the dial phone,
wouldn't It's just the phone dropped out. We're talking seagull engines.

(46:02):
Oh yes, even taking the bait about the CEO speaking
got you. Guys are easily triggered. It's pathetic. Patty's missing
the crude oil updates. I can give you those right away.
It was below one hundred and I'll check herefore you now,
people we are talking, it's back over one hundred one

(46:24):
oh one point five seven one oh one point five
to nine. What would be like being an oil trader
seems very dramatic. The price points eighteen pass nine. If
you want to be a part of it. We are
talking boats and the liquor or people seem to be
wah wah wah about the fact that you can now
actually get a drink without having to get a meal.

(46:46):
What do you want the state to do?

Speaker 6 (46:48):
Anyway?

Speaker 2 (46:49):
At your back at your twenty past nine. Now, there's
much discussion via the text doors as to whether the
seagull engine had high talk or low talk, which I'm
finding reinteresting. I suspect it might be high talk, but
text is are texting about that high talk, not low talk.

(47:11):
That's why they can push every displacement. It's a bit
like high gear and low gear on bikes. People to
get confused, as do I. Marcus ripped the block off
my seagull, jammed a quarter a drive into the square
stock drive shaft, and pulled the trigger on my DeWalt
impact driver. Give her a swift drive, Marcus. Today's little
change was to allow business owners to get on with

(47:32):
running their business. Allows the sale of alcohol without having
to buy a meal as well. This stops the stupid
situation a bus lot of people having to buy a
plant of chips between them to be able to get
a drink. Opening hours will be dealt with later. Peter,
I'm not around the pubs. He says that you don't
hear about that madness they want. I think we've become
I think we've become better anyway. Marty Marcus welcome.

Speaker 8 (47:57):
Yeah, hi Marcus. Outboard motors and Boats. We've got a
little ski boat that we use on like Carapiro, and
it's got a beautiful two stroke now and a ninety
horse power and runs like a dream, and it has
a The only problem is that it's quite a.

Speaker 7 (48:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
I don't know if you're ready for this, But didn't
you just kill your daughter.

Speaker 8 (48:22):
Son? I don't know. I just about represent.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
I don't think you go back. I don't think you'd
go back.

Speaker 8 (48:31):
I haven't been since that day, but I think I'm
nearly ready again.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
We at least you're laughing about it. Well, I suppose
you've got what happened again? Did you get a code?

Speaker 5 (48:42):
No?

Speaker 8 (48:43):
No, he was untangling a rope. I took off and
it wrapped around his wrist, and I gave it the
full ninety horse power and the rope broke and he
has got like third degree, fourth degree of rope around
his But guess he's made a good recovery. Guest three
is now.

Speaker 19 (49:01):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Is it ironic? Is it because it's to do with
the wrist hobbiton?

Speaker 8 (49:06):
No, No, he's he's in christ Chitch on a rugby
tour with the first fifteen good outcome?

Speaker 5 (49:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Are they billets? Are they billeted?

Speaker 8 (49:14):
A they're staying in some camping ground out at Lincoln.
They're playing I think John Keys Old School and some
other couple of crappy little schools. And they're going up
to the mountains for some mountains and so you run
out to Ham the Springs Springs.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
So to be the country kids going down to the
big smoke Christ Juice. They might come unstuck, do you think,
Uh no, that'll be right.

Speaker 8 (49:38):
They're visiting Lincoln tonight and seeing all the other mathematic
college students that have gone to Lincoln, which would be
about three of them.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Is that right?

Speaker 8 (49:46):
Yeah, Well, there's a big drama because they're all supposed
to come home to their mummies because the holidays and
had to delay their flights to wait for the other
boys to come and see them.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Oh that's the big that's the big agricultural pathway, isn't
it From the dairy farm to Lincoln to get your
get your farming course in, back to dad to inherit
the farm.

Speaker 8 (50:05):
Yeah, well yeah, something like that. Yeah, anyway, back to my.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Hang on them? Will they win? Are they good Rugby school?

Speaker 19 (50:13):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (50:13):
Yes, so we're just we're unbeaten in the way shadow
thing and we're going up a division to the C
and I, which is like one below the Super eight.
So we're we're playing Wesley College.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
And will be hard Wesley at home. Yeah I think so,
there'll be there'll be a fortress.

Speaker 8 (50:35):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that'll be pretty good. But it'll be hard,
but it'll be better than just winning every week by
one hundred points. What's what I've been doing?

Speaker 2 (50:43):
What's your role? Are you fitness or you take the oranges?
Or you just done sitting the.

Speaker 8 (50:48):
Highlax very much, Sit down and try not to yell
at them too much. Try and watch from the sideline.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Oh please please as risks right anyway back to the
ninety c C.

Speaker 8 (51:01):
Motor ninety horse power. So yeah, it's a two stroke
and when it's cold, I quite like it because it
makes quite a lot of noise. It has a lot
of smoke and so that's like quite exciting at the
at the boat ramp because our boat is as a
ski boat, but it's like a nineties sort of Barbie
dream boat. Wow, it's a it's a South African import.

(51:27):
Some stuff has brought it over and.

Speaker 9 (51:30):
Stop using it.

Speaker 8 (51:30):
And we bought it off.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Them marketplace marketplace, through the church.

Speaker 8 (51:36):
Market marketplace and the engineer had it and you know
when the engineers got something, it's all clean and tidy
and yeah and spotless. So I bought it off the
engineer and it's been great. And if it's about ten
people because it's a bar rider, so it's got seating
all the way around and it's got the two stroke
output on the back, so no no V eight taking

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up any room. It's all off the back.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
And old Risty does he does he want to go
to Lincoln?

Speaker 5 (52:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (52:06):
I think it was to be a fuzzio or really after.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
The rest, after the rest, yeah.

Speaker 8 (52:12):
Well he's yeah, he's sprained his ankle into the foot
and now it strips he right out of the ankles up.

Speaker 5 (52:16):
Can do that.

Speaker 8 (52:17):
Here's a bit of a strapper, he'll strap the other teammates.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Oh, not a bat And thought about that coming through
the sporting background, wanting to be for good on them.

Speaker 8 (52:25):
And then when you're a fuzzier, no one dies and
you just sort of patch them up and you can
sort of do it out at the back of your
house or at the back of your youth or whatever,
you know.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
And you're not responsible for people dying with a misdiagnosis,
are you.

Speaker 8 (52:38):
No. No, it's just whether the sprained ankle gets better
than two weeks or six weeks. It's a good bit
of good luck, I think.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Okay, there's plenty of stuff for a quiz there. Yeah, exactly.
I'm liking all of this. Oh, by the way, there's
text is I've got text. I understand they're referring to
Breakfast merit it for his site. The after party bit
in the show, what these girls say off screen is
unbelievably rude. It's not a good show. That's what our

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easy should have been doing. A speaking to the nation
about was how bad married at first sight? Is Marcus
in seventy four to seventy five. I used to be
the rescue boat for the Monadeua High Girls rowing team
based at Weymouth. The good old seagull attached to my
flat bottom founded dinger. Usually the trick nicely till the
day the window POWs are tired. We want to be

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rescued by a bigger boat as the huge waves drag
us out towards the heads flip. You want to have
your wins sorted out of the Monaco. Get in touch
if you want to talk Marcus till twelve. The number
is eight hundred and eighty to eighty nineteen ninety de text.
Remember the must be a lot of tide flow in
and out of the Monaco too. I don't know how

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fast the current goes out the heads. I don't want
to be a million miles away from that. I will
get to full breakdown of what Albanezy said and how
it's been reacted to by the Australian media. He says
the impact will last for months, make that years eh
So yes, get in touch if you want to talk
hit til midnight tonight. My name is Marcus welcome. There's

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great text talking about seagull engines and outboards in general.
Thanks to Hamish. He's our guest host tonight. He's come
up with that topic legend. He just wants to talk
about boats, and last night it was planes or boat planes,
amphibious planes. Now it boats, but mainly seagull engines. And
the fact that you can now get a beer at

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the pub without a meal on Easter morning. I've just
worked out the situation too, where the first match at
one New Zealand Stadium Takaha is going to be on Friday,
April the twenty fourth, and that the next day is
Anzac Day, so you won't be able to get a
bear at the stadium after twelve at those bars around

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there because of the Antic day. But they've changed that
thanks to McInulty, So so now you can get a bear.
That's what that was. In time for it, not in
time for rest its money, and that was going to
be the big worry was at the stadium. There's been
a bit of talk about that, in a bit of pushback.
That's the situation. So I'm there. We've got that resolved
and we are talking about seagull motors and rugby trips

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and anything else, but many seagull motors surance Marcus Welcome,
good evening, Hey.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Join a Marcus nice here for you. I'm saying motors.
I've got a funny feeling that they were invented.

Speaker 7 (55:29):
So they.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
They've done to evacuations. Were they mass produced for that purpose?

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Well, so I've had a quick Wikipedia look. It seems
as though around about nineteen thirty seven they are invented.
But yeah, look I don't know too much about that.
So some people have said like that, Yeah, some people
have said that that was what it was for? Was
the war?

Speaker 4 (55:57):
Yeah? So were we always head one? My dad was
building a launch. I know he goes before then my
father used to go to the marble sounds of his father.
It was also cool Hue and they go and say
at a back somewhere and Tory Channel which was owned
by the Backster family from Marlborough and he currently runs

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sounds Connection takes fishing charters out by the story. But
they sat this farm owned by the Boxes and there
was a clinker bolt thinging there which had a seagull
outboard motor, and so they were allowed to go out
fishing each time. But I liked the boat. But my
father was only like ten or twelve or something, he
was allowed to drive the boat. So he and his

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father took him out in the boat and he went
and his father laid down on the bottom with a dinghy,
and so it looked like my father was driving the boat.
He drove back back and forth up and down the
Tory Channel and the lot of clinker bolt boat and
mother grandmother took photos off the beach, and then my
father took those photos to school with him. Now school

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went them and got a lot of cuteofs for being
in che the boat by himself, because that was like
who lay in the bottom boat? That said later on, but.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
That sounds like photoshop before photoshop.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
That's photoshop before a photoshop and the photoshop boxing Browning
Old Soyle and so then later on, my mom and
dad brought Land of the Marble Sounds in ninety eighty
six and my David Bernie Launcher Pelln thirty five foot
steel fishing drawer boat was actually thirty three foot, but
he extended to thirty five ft six inches or something
like that with a concern of mister Pellin. The boat

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brought in Auckland but as a standby, he was also
going to have a dinghy, of course, and he was.
He collected a couple of Ciga out bore motors and
he restored them lovely because he was a grade motor mckadding.
He restored them lovingly and they were like primo condition.
And I think part of the talk or the pushmner
come from a thing. And I think the propeller mighty

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had six blades on it, or at least five. It
wasn't like the modern popellas you see now where they
have three blades and it's been really fast. This thing,
I think had six individual cutting blades, and so maybe
that's where to talk and the propulsion came from. And
he never got to use that. But he died and

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my brother inhered in that boat. But when we were
at kids, we followed in our grandfather's foot seats and
we were fishing at Resolution Bay in the Marlbile Sounds,
and the Brown family who came from there but brought
the Resolution Bay motor camp in the Marlbro Sounds. We're
friends of my father because he used to fix their
car and they had clinker book things out board motors

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on them. So I liked with motors, and my sister
who is a couple of years older than me, and
me we were allowed to go out in the boat.
I was ten years old and we could get out
fishing by ourselves. And in the middle of resolution bay
it was a whale. And this whale had come in
because it had been mouled by some sharks, and it
was trying to arrest and recovery priory. And we know

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that because one day I got on a forty foot launch.

Speaker 8 (59:02):
He was inking.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
The pay woke up in the morning here and he
looked over the side and there's this forty foot while
nestled up to the side of his whole of his
boat and the back of the thing had all been chewed,
the back fin had all been chewed by something else.
And so it was shodding till it got well. And
we were out in the clinkt dingy with a cigar

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on that board mayor fishing, and the way it was
just like looking around in the bay, jumping out of
the water occasionally. It was pretty cool. Terrifying, but cool
that the most terrifying thing was when in the clinker
belt boat we were fishing with the old green hand
lines trying to get the pood cord, and I can't
if I pulled it, and if my sister pulled it,
and she was a good fisherman, and this bloody octopus

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came over the side, and man, that dingy was not
big enough. When my sister was trying to run away
from the octopus, it was one of the funniest things
you ever imagined. And we were fucking like terrified of
this body octopus. But we're trying to get things and
be brave and get oars and things and click it
back over the side so that would go back in

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the water, and then we start there, should go off
and carry on, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Nice to talk, Q. Thank you very much for that.
It's a big story. I can't believe I swore tonight too.
I feel bad about that. So you can get a
bear on Easter morning if the pub is open. It
could happen as soon as this long weekend. It's to

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clear up a confusing law. Eleven twenty to ten. Let's
call it that. Greg. It's Marcus.

Speaker 20 (01:00:37):
Good evening, Hey Marcus, how are you good?

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Thank you, Greg.

Speaker 20 (01:00:43):
You're just ringing up about the seagull motors.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Great, thank you As.

Speaker 20 (01:00:48):
Young as young people up at Fonger proor little bay
up there called Arkle's Bay. We all all the neighborhood
kids had one and we used to race each other
in our little dinghies. And what we worked out eventually
is if you put a long stick in the in
the handle and got far enough forward on your little dingy,

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you could get it on the plane.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Ah. So you put the weight forward.

Speaker 20 (01:01:14):
You put the weight forward the way you went.

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:01:18):
And we used to race around the little marker boys
and things out there in the bay that had been
made by people that you had their launches that they
could tie up to. Many years later after I saw
that kind of little rig the dingy and the seagulls,
maybe ten or twelve years later, the young man rang

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me and said how much enjoyment he had from that motor,
And said, no.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
One said this, Greg, but I'm going to ask you.
They must have been very reliable, were they?

Speaker 20 (01:01:56):
They were amazing. What I remember about is wrapping the
rope around the top, used to hook it into a
little slough on the top. I think it's probably about
maybe three or four coils to put around them pull
the thing. And I had a make sure the fuel
was on and you had to from me me the

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little throttle on the on the handle open and yeah,
where she went maybe first, Paul, second or third? You
know it was reliable.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Yes, do you know what fuel what the fuel mix was?

Speaker 20 (01:02:31):
I can't remember. I can't remember. I very year at
the time. My father probably taught me a you know,
eight or nineteen year on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
It'll be something, Kaine. I don't think it was just
straight off. Yeah, I don't know what it will, but
someone will know, someone will know. Wish she hadn't. Do
you wish you had? Do you wish you hadn't sold
at Greg?

Speaker 18 (01:02:49):
I do?

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
I do.

Speaker 20 (01:02:50):
I'd love to have it now. Yeah, you know, have
it probably somewhere displayed to look at it, look at it,
which which, by the way, I have seen the people's homes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Really Yeah, I think I might have too, But I
mean that they are beautiful looking things. They look because
they've got no housing.

Speaker 14 (01:03:06):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
That's the trouble with outboards. All that terrible fiberglass housing
looks terrible.

Speaker 16 (01:03:11):
Doesn't it.

Speaker 20 (01:03:13):
Well, it's all got very sleek looking, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:03:17):
I've really enjoyed listening to some of your callers, just
like so many memories, and I just want to think
us and share one of mine as a young young lad.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Really kind Greg, love you coming through with that, and
thank you for your enthusiasm and your support. We are
talking tonight about seeing on motors. That's the plan. Now
you might have your own pen and that's fine. But
thanks to Hamish, the legend that said what about boats?

(01:03:46):
Forget easter eggs, what about boats? And he was quite right.
But the genius was that I knew that to Actually,
I knew his idea was better than mine. And that's
where we've got ourselves tonight on something I've really known
not much about. So I'm very happy with this legend Hamish. Hello,

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cretits Marcus.

Speaker 17 (01:04:08):
Good evening evening, Marcus, seagulls, lovely little outboard. I had
a few long matar. You should chug out the harbor
there and shut at the second point and catch a
lot of fish. Don't tell me anyone, Yeah, my mate
says I, noticing used to go better than natural. When
we got the shore, we pulled the carbo out of

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apart that was up on the sand in the bowl.
So were they good?

Speaker 11 (01:04:34):
Were they?

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Once upon a time? Without the outboard of outboard of
choice before the Japanese ones came along.

Speaker 17 (01:04:41):
Yeah, I think so, And I think they ran on
twenty five to one. There was quite a mornment and
it's written on them. Don't flush. Actually can bear it
on the head, not to flush with fresh water. You
just pull them out of the sand and out of
the boat and just leave it, because.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Most outboards are a fair thing around what you put
out to see. Don't you got to purge the whole thing?

Speaker 5 (01:05:02):
Is that right?

Speaker 17 (01:05:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:05:04):
And I'm think you had two Mark he's on a
rescue boat. Which boat they gave us? Nothing but problems
went through three? I think half two twins.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Would you see a lot of other and that? When
are you talking about going fish? And what are you
talking about?

Speaker 17 (01:05:20):
Oh? I, I mean maybe. I was born in sixty
five and moved along the town in sixty nine, so
I lived at the wharf on my very young age.
That's where I grew up swimming across the other side.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Were there a lot of other were a lot of
There are a lot of seagull engines about them, and
they're quite common.

Speaker 17 (01:05:38):
Yeah, it was very common then. He had the odd
little Gamaha and there was another there was some really
weird military. They were just coming into it. I've actually
got two seagulls in my shid one and four and
a half. It's got the clutch. They're going to two
and a half at seas. But yeah, there was just
onement so and then what I was going I was
going to take the waller when I went in next

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and just come to the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
At the boat club to do one at the boat clubs.

Speaker 17 (01:06:03):
Give them to the guy at the boat club at
him they where they sell rods.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
And do you think they show the nights inspired you
to go out and restore them?

Speaker 17 (01:06:14):
No, that's you. I don't do a lot of things now,
just gardening.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Which were you living now? Are you're still there?

Speaker 6 (01:06:24):
No?

Speaker 17 (01:06:25):
I maintaining?

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Oh oh yeah, I know you. I don't like you.
But where do you have a burger.

Speaker 17 (01:06:31):
Bar across the road from the Fishure Theater?

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Did you own it?

Speaker 17 (01:06:39):
Parents? Did?

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
What was it called?

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (01:06:43):
I can't remember, I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
I don't like you being so far in land. I
don't like people from the sea ending up there now.

Speaker 17 (01:06:51):
I'm just looking at my fishing on the sheet. I
used something years since I've been here, I used to
drive for posts, but I don't do anything more anything legendary.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Did your parents invent anything at the fish and chip shop?
I always liked people that come up with their own stuff.

Speaker 17 (01:07:06):
No, husband and my swap that's all they did with
someone from what was someone that worked there. No, they've
known each other for over thirty years in each other's
weaving photos and edd happily. Yes, yeah they were married.
Father was married to missus Riley probably ten years.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
What a good story.

Speaker 17 (01:07:31):
Then they got crooked and mother's still live. I'm looking
up to her now. She's got one hundred between a
bit crazy diseago forget.

Speaker 14 (01:07:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Yeah, oh really nice to talk to you, Brenda of
that's maybe night that thank you. Ten to ten ninety
ten Jefferts Marcus good Eveling.

Speaker 7 (01:07:48):
Yeah, I'm Marcus.

Speaker 21 (01:07:50):
I was just listening to you talking about the Seagull outboards,
and as I understand it, I used to be in
the marine game. And the Seagull outwards were designed by
two brothers in England and they were initially used as
a disposable outboard for the D Day invasions to push

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barges across the English Channel and the fuel to oil
mixture they ran on was ten to one because they're
the design of the motors they were. They didn't have
a needle roll of bearings on the crank shaft. They
had a sleeve on the crank shaft, and they needed

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a very viscous oil mix to run them. And yes,
that was the original design or what they.

Speaker 7 (01:08:44):
Were used for.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Yeah, I'm quite interested in all of this. You say
you're in the marine game, were you, Jeff I.

Speaker 21 (01:08:51):
Was, Yeah, for about thirty years.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
So different.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
So the outboard engines complicated because they need to be called.
They're complicated because they need to be called is that right?

Speaker 21 (01:09:01):
Not necessarily like the original outboards, the American outboards Evan
Rude and Johnson, they were they were the pioneers of
the outboard motor and they were quite a basic design.
And originally they they the engine, the propeller, the exhaust

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of the engine came out above the propeller. And then
in the early sixties there was a German guy called
Kai Kapper who designed the Mercury outboard and he revolutionized
it because he designed the exhausts of the outboard to
go out through the propeller.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Yes, and the original simplifies it all, does it.

Speaker 14 (01:09:49):
Well?

Speaker 21 (01:09:49):
It made a lot more efficient in the original outloids
were they were normally just one and two cylinder designs,
and then mister kai Kaffer came along. He designed four
cylinder and six cylinder engines, and of course from then
the technology became a lot more efficient. And then the

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Japanese got involved and they and they designed oil injection,
and then came fuel injection. So yeah, but the original
two strokes are very good because they just were very
basic design, very few moving parts. They just had obviously
a piston and an inlet port and an exhaust port.

(01:10:35):
And the oil fuel mixplicated the crank shaft and the
bore and the piston rings. But they, because they were
quite a basic design, were particularly fuel efficient. So I
think in the late nineties and early two thousands they

(01:10:57):
were pretty much outlawed and in America because I think
for every twenty eleters of fuel the outboard used that
probably put a round about half a liter of oil
out the exhaust. Most of it wasn't burnt, It just
went out the exhaust pipe and into the water.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
What I like about the discussion about the seagull engines,
unlike some British engineering that seemed these seemed to be
extremely simple but extremely reliable.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
They were.

Speaker 21 (01:11:29):
They just had they were just a single cylinder all those,
I think, yeah, I think most. Yeah, they were all
single cylinder ones, and yeah, just carbureted. They made the
seagull outwards through till believe it or not, through to
the early nineties, and I can remember the later ones
actually had a recoil start on the top of them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Who would have been the market for that, Jeff.

Speaker 21 (01:11:52):
Well, yeah, they were just sort of like a small
auxiliary motor.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Yeah, did you have your backup at the side of
your side of your Yeah, yeah, okay, that's that's where
I've seen them.

Speaker 21 (01:12:01):
Yeah, but they were very basic points ignition. They did
have a little bit of if you stored them for
quite a big long period of time because the the
ignition points that are a silver coating on them.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Which were oxidized.

Speaker 21 (01:12:17):
So if you store them for a long period of time,
the points that oxidize of course an engine and have
no spark, so if you but if you got them
out and gave the points of it of a clean
and made away, they'd go again.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
So you great to talk, Thank you very much for that,
Jeff Gosh, I'm loving people's expertise. Marcus. If our n
z LEF pilot James rank And is listening, he may
remember grabbing the seagull out board as it fell off
the back of my dinghy when we hit the rocks
at full speed. He probably still has the burn marks
on his hands. Tough guy, Happy memories. Marcus, Havelock and
Marlboro have seagull races every few months. Graham and Sharings

(01:12:50):
with organize them. Their family apparently owned about two hundred
British seagull outdoor motors. If you google to Hoidy Seagull
flick you can read about them in I s U
U Jen twenty twenty three, audition got a lot to have.
We are talking about seagull engines and outboards in general,
loving it, loving it, loving it. I don't think anyone

(01:13:14):
could own two hundred. Oh yes, there's some great images
of all of these. But are passion, isn't there? We
like passion? All about passion, right, all about things people
are passionate about. That's the key, Peter Marcus. Thanks thinging on,
They're welcome. Good evening, Yeah, good evening.

Speaker 19 (01:13:30):
Marcus I've got a service manual for for a seag outboard.
It's actually quite a humorous book. And on the outboard
it says on the top Pulley the best outboard motor

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for the world, in big letters. Now, with the oil,
it's a reduction. The oil is ten to one, a
ratio of ten to one for the petrol, so it's
pretty high. And for the deer box it is about

(01:14:13):
a one forty or higher oil. It's got to be
a really thick or otherwise it just leaks out because
there's no actual seal in there. And the propeller spring drive.
And my one has got the bigger box in it,
reduction box, and it's got the five propeller blades, which

(01:14:36):
is called ah, they call it a barge blade or something.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
You could get a four blade or a five blade.
I gather, is that right? You have nine to five
and if you'd have the five.

Speaker 19 (01:14:50):
And yeah, I have, and it's got a four to
one reduction. Sure, and yes, but it's very important you
get quite a high viscosity oil. The same with the engine,
or you've got to get the type of all.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Well, how long have you had your seagull.

Speaker 19 (01:15:11):
I've only had it a week.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
O pillar.

Speaker 7 (01:15:15):
It was on the wharf.

Speaker 19 (01:15:17):
I was in Russell last week visiting a sea captain
and he said, I was a guy there who does
up seagulls and he's he had threeedom and it was
all done up, and I said, oh, I'll buy that
for you. I'll buy that off you. I just gave
him cash and yeah, a very good order.

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
It's I knew, what are you going to do with it? Oh?

Speaker 19 (01:15:44):
Probably I haven't got a boat at the moment because
I'm getting on but I sold my boat. But I'll
just probably use it as an ornament in my put
on my office desk.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Sure where about? Where about?

Speaker 6 (01:15:58):
To you?

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
You in Auckland?

Speaker 19 (01:16:00):
No, I'm in farm or a Kensington.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Oh yeah, okay, Oh you're to shame. You're not going
to run it, but that's your I suppose I.

Speaker 19 (01:16:07):
Quite might run it because I've got a friend who's
got a clinker dingy, so that the ideal on a
clinker dingy.

Speaker 5 (01:16:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Can you run it on land to test it? I
suppose you can, or you have a bear on the sea.

Speaker 19 (01:16:21):
You can only run a few minutes though dry, but
you can. You have to put it in water and
make sure, that covers the covers the innits. But the
pump is the water pump is a rotary type pump. Oh, yeah,
it's quite strange. I've never come across a well, on

(01:16:42):
big ships you have rotary pumps. Well not that necessarily
big ships, but that sentrifugal.

Speaker 15 (01:16:51):
But on.

Speaker 19 (01:16:53):
A lot of diesel engines have rotary pumps.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Did you always did you always want to own one?

Speaker 19 (01:17:00):
I like engines. I used to work on list as well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Don't get me started. People get obsessed about those one
are those again?

Speaker 19 (01:17:10):
List of diesels? His H one's H two, H three,
H four. And I used to go to the Islands
rail and Campbell and overhaul all there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Let Oh yes, how would how would you get to ral.

Speaker 19 (01:17:26):
I used to go there on a fishing boat and
I'd stayed there for a year and overhaul machinery and
the Fox Way and I read built and bulldozerfore them. Yeah,
it was a great place to be. One of the
best years of.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
My life at Campbell or ral.

Speaker 19 (01:17:43):
Raw was great. Campbell was great, cold but wonderful. I
went there with a guy who had the shark attack there.
Oh yes, that was for those of Mike Fraser was
his name. There was back then a woman jumping with
his sharking glew him out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
What year was that, Peter?

Speaker 19 (01:18:04):
That would have been in the nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Is that the one where the guy took the seat
out of his helicopter and chuck you fuelling and refueling
the way down?

Speaker 19 (01:18:14):
Was Mark Beal? And im just thinking the other guy
TAPA Rescue.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Had John Fernel was it? Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:18:22):
Yeah, John for now. Yeah, I've worked with him and
Mark Beal owned Brimworth Puppets. They used to do be
for this thing because that's a dangerous trip doing that, James,
you'd be They took a pretty big risk doing that. Yeah,

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so they had a speed drum of aviation feel on
the back.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
M hm, Hey, Peter, why were list of engines used
in remote places? Were they just? Were they just the
Rolls Royce of reliability? Were they?

Speaker 11 (01:18:58):
Oh?

Speaker 19 (01:18:58):
They're very simple. Quite overall you can do the fuel
pumps are separate, a bit like a gardner there in
some ways. Yeah, I used to Yeah, that quite easy. Overall,
very reliable. Once again, the only thing is you had
to decoke them a lot, so you had to take

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every five hundred hours take the heads off and do
decoke them in the cylinder in the valves.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
How many people were when you're because I don't think
there's anyone at the Campbell's now, was there? What was there?
A met station?

Speaker 19 (01:19:33):
There was there, Yeah, mets station, that's right, and doc
were there. We used to do the albatross count there
as well. It's three and a half thousand albatrosses, wondering
and royal, wonderful place, beautiful. It was cold, but it
was wonderful. You just drank more whiskey when it was cold.

Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Are they still down there? They decommissioned.

Speaker 22 (01:20:01):
Now.

Speaker 19 (01:20:01):
I was the last person with the last team that
went there back in the nineties. We were the last
ones off the island.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
And there's still people at Rawl, aren't there?

Speaker 5 (01:20:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:20:14):
Yeah, the scientists still go to Campbell but Raw still
has the team going near every year.

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
They have four I think.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Are they there permanently?

Speaker 10 (01:20:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:20:26):
For it twelve months?

Speaker 8 (01:20:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:20:29):
When I was there, I had a dog at Jack Russell.
You're not allowed dogs on the islands, but I was.
It's a shipwrecked dog, come off a ship.

Speaker 10 (01:20:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:20:41):
So, but that place has changed now because it's all
been derated because and they got rid of the feral cats.
Now they've got seventeen different bird species, back migrating birds.
Before there was only the two he used to survive

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because that was a very tough bird. Yeah, an intelligent bird.
So yeah, the very enjoyable years. They were probably the
best years of my life I had. Just I couldn't
settle down when I came back to the New sum
because there wasn't used to traffic and people anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
I think there was a pretty interesting rescue and rail too.
I think people got injured there with the volcano. Do
you remember we.

Speaker 14 (01:21:30):
Were up there for there?

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
No, that guy he died, but they had to chop
Did they chopp her up there for that? They must
have lower helicopter.

Speaker 19 (01:21:40):
Yeah, that's right, and that guy. Yeah, there's sulfur in
the lake there.

Speaker 7 (01:21:45):
You see, I have been.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
I went, I went up to rail with the navy.
I was fortunate enough to go and see that.

Speaker 19 (01:21:55):
That's right, they used to go there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
It feels it feels very much on the old on
the volcanic edge. It's free active, isn't it.

Speaker 19 (01:22:03):
Yeah, it's right on that what do you call that
ring of fire? And it very deep, very deep, yeah,
very deep yeah, only it's very dangerous to put a
boat alongside on by the Fox Way because of the.

Speaker 4 (01:22:25):
The waves and that.

Speaker 19 (01:22:28):
A lot of people have lost their lives there.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
It was quite Yeah, it was quite herey getting ashore
there in the in the navy boat.

Speaker 19 (01:22:36):
There was a fishing boat in the ground there on
the other side.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Yeah, I've walked across to that, have you.

Speaker 19 (01:22:46):
I can't remember. That was Taiwanese. Suddenly all these guys
turned up because he's going to go over the hill.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
You remember, were you there when the boat?

Speaker 19 (01:22:55):
Were you there when.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Thet were you there when the boat turned up?

Speaker 19 (01:22:59):
Now before?

Speaker 14 (01:23:01):
But yeah, I was.

Speaker 19 (01:23:05):
I went afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Yeah, okay, hey, Peter, it's been fantastic to talk. I've
got to move on. But that's great. I appreciate that greatly.
At Texas his hobby broadcast A Hamish needs to be
sent a dozen these threeggs for us wonderful topic suggestion.
Yeah wow, someone wants two topics. Svens Sea Gold out jeepers, creepers.
These are good. This is good. This is gold eighteen

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past ten, Good evening. Terriot's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
Yeah, hi, hi Marcus, just ring. You get the seagulls.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Good, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:23:39):
Yeah, we have a sea on. It was made in
nineteen fifty two. It's a short shaft and we bore
a clinking. We needed a mowner to go on the back.
And there's a chap down the road. And when you
knew his sons the sons of my age, and he
was a ship broker, and he has two and a

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half and a four and a half, and we're heard
that you might want to sell one of them. So
the saw he wanted to sell the four and a
half and he wouldn't have a rookie backs for it.
This was in nineteen seventy nine. Wow, And so reason
as guy Laurie Collins, and he sees are who want

(01:24:27):
to buy your seagull? He goes, oh, do you want
to buy it? Or do you want to buy it?
I said, we want to buy it? And I says
the four and a half, He said, dances in year five.
And I don't know what I sent you seg idea,
but since somebody had put just a thin plate of

(01:24:49):
albanium above the propeller, they called it a kevitational plate.
And he gave a seagull a more boyte on the
propeller and num selling for the order of the off
camera propelled to push against and he could gives you
more more power.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
What did they call it? What did they call a
bit of aluminium?

Speaker 5 (01:25:05):
I cached cavitational plates? Cavitational yeah plate okay, and so
we said him as the four and a half A
guess I'm not just year five. So we took got
the diggy out of the boat she had down local
beach and put on the deck and started up and
went for his sport, raced off and stopped. Okay, So

(01:25:29):
I realized the letter choke, and so I pulled the
choke out, put the revel and again the way it
goes like a robber's dog. It's a good good Moder
hasn't been newspaper for about twenty years, but we're always
run on ten to one. And one time we must
have got a film mixed up slightly wrong. She missed
on a big beach. I feel like four four gallons

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to go from from Sansport to Carroll Island.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Were you were you up there?

Speaker 5 (01:25:58):
You go on? Yep? So you know I'm assueing, yes,
So when they kick Carrow Island and the seagull slow,
the end we've seen slur and slow and slower as
they running a bit of house speed, but it goes
to Caro well. And then so the next day I
took the seal up up on the up on the
beach and had a few tools and pulled apart. Did

(01:26:21):
just the basic motor part. I thought, needs are gases
and things to fight. It was sis going on, but
I didn't have anything. So I put a little bit
together again and was time we come home. We put
it on the back of the bows and for it
full of fuel and my brother says, I'll get it going.

Speaker 8 (01:26:39):
You see.

Speaker 5 (01:26:40):
So the heat, the the flying that fired up at
ren house speed all the way from from Caro on
the thing sped and then we may many a juni
home and got home. A few days later. I pulled
it apart, and what actually happened was the shells on
the beginning that that that they'd gone black. I think
the shells will beginning later were probably player made a bronze.

(01:27:03):
So just went and drive the beginnings and pop a
little bit together again, and they're quite good. The actual
bolts that hold the conrad together wire and so that
they don't fire. They undone okay, and so that that
moment was running for years and years and that's sort

(01:27:25):
of out.

Speaker 22 (01:27:25):
And then.

Speaker 5 (01:27:27):
One time my brother that freshly by himself, and he's
in the think of it was taking on too much
water and he's banging it out. But he took the
boat over and the seagull got swamped out with water.
So I pulled the whole oder apart and put it
in a bucket of picks for and oil and soaked

(01:27:49):
it for a while and keep tinder little salt out
and then good God got it going. But that the
salt order had gone into the into the coral, and
you get a spark and started up, and then you
switched it off and it wouldn't go. So I had
a spare us stationary and put that on there. And

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though it really well alfter.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
This, I'm going to leave it. David, thanks very much
for that information. That was great to hear. Hold your
horse if you don't want to come through here until
twelve we are talking seagull. Got a lot to unpick
from that one. Wow, I guess for a lot of people,
this is the show. This is the show, This is
the seagull show. And you I'm excited about that, Ted,
it's Marcus.

Speaker 18 (01:28:32):
Good evening, Yeah, good evening, Marcus. Yeah, it is seagull time.
I bought the first. I bought my first two and
a half for seagull from Guinness Brothers on the Strand
in nineteen sixty for fifty nine pound ten and I
used that motor for years. I built myself a little

(01:28:53):
five dinghy and I used it until the dingy felt
the bits, and then I bought bought another boat used that.
They were a wonderful little motor. And I still remember
the oil mixture in my head today. It was three
quarters of a pint to one gallon of petrol, three
quarters of a pint of thirty SAE thirty mineral oil.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
And where were you going in the spot?

Speaker 18 (01:29:17):
Did just out in the harbor off caddy cat?

Speaker 5 (01:29:20):
Oh? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
Wonderful? Was keddy cat?

Speaker 7 (01:29:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Okay?

Speaker 18 (01:29:23):
But in Yeah, when I when I finally decided to
try and upgrade my motor, I swapped it for a
ten horse end Zani and it was the worst bloody
thing I ever did.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
You're crazy doing that, I could have told you then
you'd be mad to do that. I came in, What
did you do with a seagull.

Speaker 18 (01:29:39):
Yeah, I swapped it for a ten Yeah. And I
came into another couple of seagulls in later years, and
I've just got rid of them about four years ago,
after I had to sell the orchard and get off there.
And the guy that's got a little museum in tower
and he's got every sort of water pump you can imagine,

(01:29:59):
And he said, can I buy those two sea dolls
off you? And I said, yeah, sure, So he gave
me six hundred bucks and he's got them on a
little rail in his shed with all his other water pumps.
And if ever you want to meet a genius, you've
got to come to Tara and meet this guy and.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
His museum as water pumps.

Speaker 18 (01:30:18):
He's a water pump man now. He's does all irrigation
and stuff and he's done it all right. He's got
every imaginable little water pump up to probably a ten
horse water pump, all in going order, in beautiful condition,
in about two or three little sheds he's got. He's
not open to the public, but because I've got to
know him over the years, he said, you know, maybe

(01:30:39):
you want anybody to come and have a look.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Oh wow, what a what a what what I am?
It's what a great opportunity for you to go and
look at all the pumps.

Speaker 18 (01:30:47):
Oh it is. I've been a couple of two. Every
time someone wants to go, I go with him because
it's such a bloody such a wonderful thing to see you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Did you did you? Did you ride the Kiwi fru
It Wave?

Speaker 11 (01:31:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:31:00):
And the Avocado Wave?

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Oh yep. You'll be living in the south of France,
are you?

Speaker 18 (01:31:05):
Oh no, not right? Yeah, So if ever you're coming
to bloody terror you look me up and walk down here.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
Yeah. Oh look, honestly, how many? How many water pumps
would they be?

Speaker 10 (01:31:17):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (01:31:18):
One, hundreds of hard to tell? Heaps of us? Beautiful?

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Well I find you in the flesh part of town, Ted.

Speaker 18 (01:31:25):
Yeah, any retirement village?

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Good on you going?

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
All right?

Speaker 6 (01:31:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
All right, yeah, brilliant, lovely you talk?

Speaker 5 (01:31:32):
Ted?

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
Are you the guy that had the bottle of whiskey? Ted?

Speaker 18 (01:31:37):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (01:31:37):
I am?

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Oh yeah, no I do you took your whiskey to
your show? And tell show me having got your old
seagulls for your Thursday night drinks?

Speaker 18 (01:31:45):
Oh yeah, Tuesday. Yeah, there's only about an inch left
in the bottom of that bottle too.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
Oh you've done well with that. Good to talk. You're
looking forward to the tour of the retirement homes. Brilliant,
But it wasn't to be on the lecture circuit. Hey,
you're going people, what's happening? They're listening and get in
touch with you all about seagulls. If you're not until
seagull motors, I suggest you get into them. Quite so.

(01:32:12):
And it's pretty fascinating, Marcus, appointment listening for a topic
I've absolutely no idea about and no knowledge. Love the enthusiasm, dedication,
knowledge of the callers giving their all. Ted was a
gym on the water Pump Museum. You got You can
imagine going around that, couldn't you.

Speaker 10 (01:32:27):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
When he said no, I'm to the public thought, wow,
there you go, Marcus. Anyone mentioned the key week Kim Newcombs,
who used a Koenig outboard marine engine to build a
Grand Prix motorcycle and going to win quite a few
races on the German circuits of the seventies. I think
five hundred cc forcel in a boxer engines, another number
eight wire man Liken to Bert Munroe and John Britton

(01:32:51):
Kim Newcombs, don't haven't heard of him? Appointment viewing the
calling the show tonight, Logan.

Speaker 23 (01:32:58):
Good evening, Marcus, how you doing good?

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Thank you, Logan. I'm liking you. I'm liking your voice
and clarity of phone line. Let's cut into it.

Speaker 23 (01:33:07):
I've got a cracking good story for you about seagull outboards.
In nineteen ninety two, I was lucky enough to sail
up the East coast of Africa on a on a
forty four foot catamaran, stopping in all sorts of places
that you'd only stopped and on a leisurely cruise eye
that up to the Red Sea and on. We stopped
at a number of places, and one of them was
the Camors and more particularly the island of Grand Comore.

(01:33:30):
And we stayed there for about a week. And I
was sitting on the wharf one day and I saw
a guy jump into his dingy on a boat we
way out and come putting in, and he finished up
sitting near me, and we got talking. Tell me was
he was quite a good bloke. And I noticed he
had a seagull outboard on this very small little dingy
that he came in on. And we got talking about that.
Turns out he was actually a seagull outboard salesman, and

(01:33:51):
he told me about their sales pitch that they used
at boat tows and so forth. And what they did
was they had a they had a very large glass
fish tank full of salt water, and they would they
would dump a seagull outboard into it and let it
rest on the bottom, and then when someone came along
and expressed interest in a seagull, he'd haul it out

(01:34:12):
and slap it onto the dolly and start at first
pop and people were just blown away, and more often
than not they would they would buy one. And I
was quite amazed by the story, and we yarned for
about an hour, and then after a while he said
he had to go, and he jumped back into his
dinghy and went to pull the cord and it wouldn't start.
And he was so confident he had he'd let his

(01:34:37):
rope go and he was just drifting slowly out to sea,
and I washed him and he was pulling like crazy
and sweating something terrible, and the boat was rocking around,
and he was looking a bit embarrassed. And he probably got.

Speaker 11 (01:34:48):
Sixty or eighty maybe one hundred meters out and he
was just about beyond where you could hear him. And
he stood up in his boat and he faced me,
and he cupped his hands to his mouth and he
sang out at the top of his voice. He said,
I knew I should have dunked it first.

Speaker 9 (01:35:06):
Just priceless.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
That's good. Just tell me before you go, logan, where
will you I'm up on the east coast of Africa.
Where were the islands and the camors Camoras? Okay, copy,
I've got a visual of that now if I can
see it on the map. An interesting place.

Speaker 11 (01:35:21):
It was not quite as interesting as nassyb and northwest Madagascar,
though that was a that's another story altogether.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
We'll do that night one time. Let me look at
the Camoras. Don't know much about them, the Camorras.

Speaker 24 (01:35:34):
C O.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
M O. Ros Beck at your twenty six to eleven, Tony,
it's Marcus. Good evening, Welcome.

Speaker 13 (01:35:44):
Believing Marcus. I'm sorry to hijack your conversation about Seaguy Mass.
I have had one and they're great, but I just
wanted to get a message through to you about the
Grubb and aircraft.

Speaker 5 (01:35:57):
Can we talk about that?

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Oh? Yes, the Grummers, of course you can.

Speaker 13 (01:36:00):
Yes, I am from Kerry Carey and one of the
origin Grummings is here in Kerry Carey. It's been restored
absolutely beautiful to its original condition and I'm looking at
the name plate on it dates back to nineteen forty

(01:36:26):
six where it started off in New York. It's been
through Cuba, Florida, through christ Church Auckland and it's now
been totally renovated. Flying out of carry Carey doesn't land

(01:36:46):
in saltwater anymore, but it does land on a freshwater lake,
which is just a beautiful thing to see. I've been
for a ride in it and it's absolutely magnificent. So
it's called living the Dream and it absolutely is such

(01:37:07):
a magnificent machine. It's a credit to the new owner
or to the current owner.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
And he's a mate of yours. Well I know, yeah, okay, yep, yeah, yeah,
that's right. I thought it was going to say, so
it's a grumb and goose or a grumb and widget widget. Okay, yeah, yeah, No.
I spoke to the guy last night that owned CBA
and he said it had been beautifully restored, so I did.

Speaker 19 (01:37:31):
It's the same guy. That's the same guy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
No, No, it's not the same guy, because this guy
was called Murray. He was the guy they talked about
that last night. He talked about that one that had
been but he said he didn't think it flew. But
has the guy put in his own lake to land
it in?

Speaker 13 (01:37:45):
No, No, there was a lake which was in Kerry
carry it. So it's actually a damn irrigation dam. Yeah,
and he has some permission to land on it in
the fresh water. I've been for a ride and when
you land in the water, it's quite spooky because the
water goes completely over the aeroplane and you think you're

(01:38:10):
in the submarine. But it's okay, it comes out again.
So yeah, No, Murray is not the guy that owns it.
The parenner.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
I won't mention dot Mension his name, that's hey, But
tell me something you said about all its history?

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
And it started in New York yep is that where
they were made?

Speaker 13 (01:38:31):
I have no idea where they were made. But it
was delivered on the twelfth of April nineteen forty six
to a.

Speaker 24 (01:38:40):
M. L.

Speaker 13 (01:38:40):
Priyan in Kisco, New York. It's been to Cuba and
Florida and ended up in New Zealand in nineteen sixty three.
I tried to send her through to you last night
but I couldn't get through. And then was Mount Cook Eline?

Speaker 5 (01:38:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
I thought it must be And was it?

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
Mount Cook?

Speaker 8 (01:39:03):
Was it was?

Speaker 19 (01:39:04):
It?

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
Was it flying in the Stuart Island sounds or does
it say where it was flying?

Speaker 11 (01:39:10):
Then?

Speaker 15 (01:39:11):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:39:11):
But no, I don't know about that.

Speaker 13 (01:39:13):
But it ended up in Cbe and was flying in
the Bay of Islands.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
Wow.

Speaker 13 (01:39:18):
And the pilot, the pilot, the current owner or pilot
owner talked about landing in and amongst the boats moored
in the bay and the Bay of Islands and dropping
people off. And it's quite a fantastic story.

Speaker 6 (01:39:35):
It really is.

Speaker 13 (01:39:36):
And it's an amazing machine. It's like it's it's beautifully restored.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
And has he restored that himself?

Speaker 19 (01:39:44):
Yes, he did.

Speaker 13 (01:39:46):
Apparently, I think during COVID or somewhere where he had
a lot of spare time. They just spent a lot
of hours doing it up into a beautiful machine. Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Oh, you're very lucky to go. And you just took
off and land in the same lake. You didn't go anywhere.

Speaker 13 (01:40:07):
No, you take off from the Kerriki Airport, fly around
the Barbari Okay land land in the lake and then
go back and land back in the in the airport.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
Of course I forgot they can land on land on
land as well. Tony. Look, thank you so very much.

Speaker 5 (01:40:23):
Ringing.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
I'm glad you've come through to break us up from
the seagulls. It's great to talk nineteen to eleven. It's
all about seagull motors. But a bit of a leakage
back to the discussion from last night, which is fascinating
that we got into that on the basis of Fred Ladd.
Good evening, met It's Marcus, Welcome.

Speaker 5 (01:40:42):
Evening, Marcus.

Speaker 6 (01:40:43):
That was an interesting cool about the Grumman buyers to
fly Grummers little tree sort of grumm AA one C
great little planes. The Auckland Aero Club ran operated Grummans.
Got the first one in nineteen eighty three, but then

(01:41:03):
random right through to the early two thousand they had
a fleet of four of them. They were quite well known, but.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
They were they were the amphibious one, were they.

Speaker 15 (01:41:13):
No, No, just.

Speaker 6 (01:41:16):
Just a little two set of trainer.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
Yeah, with a kind of a distinctive sort of looking
clear hatch over the front. Haven't they like a bet
and look.

Speaker 6 (01:41:26):
Smaller, smaller version of those those Air Force trainers. But
they were one hundred and fifteen horsetail like homing, really reliable, horizontal,
four piston, horizontal for so long, horizontal.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
Yeah, are you still flying?

Speaker 6 (01:41:46):
I'm still licensed, but no, I haven't been flying for
a few years.

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
Oh well I I did fly last year.

Speaker 6 (01:41:51):
Yeah, so yeah, partially, can you just can you just
do that? To be rated on any aircraft, part of
the rating is you have to do three takeoffs and
landings every ninety day. I think it's quite a lot,
but you can do that with several circuits. Is touching

(01:42:12):
and going counts as a takeoff and landing, so you
can do.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
A comp's just one, it's just one go.

Speaker 6 (01:42:20):
Yeah, three, Yeah, you can touch and go landings and
but yeah, three and ninety days. So that's any air
craft to fly, as you'll know, you have to have
a rating to fly it.

Speaker 7 (01:42:33):
Yeah, but they were great float over.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
I am kind of kind of festered by aviation and
I've never failed a desire to fly, but I I'm
always pretty amazed by it.

Speaker 6 (01:42:44):
I'm scared of heights actually on buildings, I can't stand it.
But in a plane suddenly enough.

Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
That stuff and why did you why did you want
to do it?

Speaker 5 (01:42:52):
I had.

Speaker 6 (01:42:53):
We used to go surfing over the Great Area Island,
you know, and after after school sea and we did
that for a number of years, and one we had
to contact one of the guys older brothers. Hammer pilot
went on and he was an orpan Aera club instructor,
so building is ours. He used to fly us on
our camping and surfing trips to grab Aria of Island,

(01:43:16):
and then he got into moved on into Air New Zealand.
His younger brother's a close friend of mine, continued the
tradition and I was working up in Naru and construction
for a year. When I came back, Oh well, Aru
had seven really nice seven three sevens for their you know,
the Banana Republic kind of airline, which was free for

(01:43:38):
the Narruins. But there were qui expact pilots, and so
we our construction contracts. Every eight weeks we got two
weeks off and airline tickets to go anywhere that I
Naru flew a free part of our package and employment.
But the first trip my friend and I did, the John,

(01:44:01):
one of the expat Kiwi pilots he when we board it,
he grabbed us and said come up here, guys. He
put our surfboards in first class and then set us
in the jump seats to the takeoff coming out of Nauru.
And so we we were in the on the flight deck.
This is ninety six, so you know. And so we

(01:44:25):
were in the flight deck going into Sydney and Auckland.
We're at a guam and takeoffs. It's funny. Those the
wide body jets wrapped rattle just the same as as
a light aircraft, which was surprising. So that that's how
that's how I got into it. So when I came
back from that, my my friend was instructing at the
Aukanserry Club on these little grummers. But there'd be a

(01:44:48):
number of New Zealand pilots that have trained on grummers.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
I can imagine. You didn't think of going commerce, didn't
think of going into the airlines yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
Oh yeah, well I did.

Speaker 6 (01:44:59):
I did my jet rating and I did most of
them my commercial and it could have done it, but
I realized qualit early on. I'm not I didn't want
to fly the line, or you know, fly for an airline,
flying the line for decades. I'm not really a.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
Quip because it would because it would be boring.

Speaker 6 (01:45:19):
It was more the same job working for a corporate.

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
I don't need it to be boring.

Speaker 5 (01:45:24):
Their great job.

Speaker 6 (01:45:25):
And I had to stand and I had to you know,
good airmanship to do it. But I realized it wasn't
for me. I'm a bit more autonomous work. I've been
known in my own business, running and company for twenty
seven years, so that's more my things. Fortunately, I recognize
that quite early.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
I've often wondered what it's like being a pilot because yeah,
you know, wait, they talk more and more about it
being flowing. You know, from control, there's less and less
things that you're doing yourself. So I just wonder as
a job, how interesting it is.

Speaker 7 (01:45:59):
Yeah, it's it's a tough job.

Speaker 6 (01:46:01):
There's they're always you know, operating training and you know,
some of the guys that I came through, you know,
flying elines around the wood in Britain, easy Jet and
Cafe and dragging the out just subsidiary of cafe, an
set out of road and you know, before going into

(01:46:23):
your New Zealand. But it's challenging career, but they get
good running and some of their training captains on about
half a million dollars now, so it's worth it, but it's.

Speaker 4 (01:46:37):
It's not ye. Have you got a job.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
Have you got a seagull engine?

Speaker 7 (01:46:43):
We used to have outdoor boats.

Speaker 6 (01:46:45):
Yeah, but little Johnson Yeah, mahas probably second. I shouldn't
even say then, should I?

Speaker 19 (01:46:51):
It's a seagull.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
Come on.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
It's nice to talk, Matt. Thank you. Ten to eleven.
Hello Margaret, it's Marcus. Welcome and good evening.

Speaker 25 (01:47:01):
Good evening, Marcus. Listening to the seagull outboard talk and
bits and peace. I have heard no one mentioned that
during the war the seagulls made in Britain had wooden
pistons because they didn't have them metal to make them.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
There was a caller before nine o'clock called dB who
did talk about that and said they were made from
lignum vity the African hardwood, and they were almost disposable.
So you tell me what you know about that, if
you know a little bit more.

Speaker 25 (01:47:31):
No, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
I presume they were short of steel in the war,
is that right?

Speaker 25 (01:47:36):
They were? They were short of the steel, and so
they made them out of woad. They well, they didn't
cast them, they laid them or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
Yes, how do you know that?

Speaker 25 (01:47:46):
I've lived a different kind of life to a lot
of people, So I've had a bit of.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
Experience that sounds intriguing. Okay, but you weren't in the
Dunkirk invasionery what the Dunkirk was? The was what's the
opposite of invasion? Evacuation?

Speaker 25 (01:48:05):
Yes, yes, okay, now that they were they were around,
you'd see them. I'm talking in the fifties now, so you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
See the ones with the wooden shaft, would you.

Speaker 25 (01:48:17):
You would see them with the wooden piston?

Speaker 17 (01:48:19):
Yes, yes, okay.

Speaker 25 (01:48:22):
And I've spoken to people since you know, the last
ten years or so that have mentioned them too and
sort of lifted their eyebrows when I've made comment on Okay,
but there must be someone out there that can fill
us in a lot more well.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
According to chat Ai It said, it can be. According
to chat It says, the seagull motor wooden piston story
is a maritime myth or urban legend.

Speaker 25 (01:48:51):
No, I know, no, I've actually seen them in them.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
I'll do some more research on that.

Speaker 11 (01:48:56):
Marrow.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
That's fascinating, sort out chat Ai. It is interesting our
discussion about this. There's a story going around them during
wartime aluminium. Surely there's some seagull out bold. Most were
made with wooden pistons that expected working life for twenty minutes,
which was thought to be enough for resulting beaches crossing rivers.

(01:49:17):
I suspect this is an urban myth or a maritime myth.
As you want to know more? So there was They
say there was a kernel of truth. It says the
kernel of truth is a large number of seagulls were
made for light assault craft when you were not using
buried in sand dunes. So I can't get if any
look if anyone's the oracle about the seagull motors, and

(01:49:42):
I'm going into some pretty deep dives into this, but
if anyone's got any more information about this where they
had wooden pistons, I can't see anything that is dead
sert on it. But do some gurgling if you can. Oh, yeah,
let's go people, if you want to talk, I'll be
up for a breather, because why not. John, it's Marcus, welcome,

(01:50:06):
good evening.

Speaker 22 (01:50:07):
Yes, look yeah John here from Palmston, North John, that
was correct. What happened was for D Day the British
wanted to put a tender out for an outboard motor
and I think they was forty eight hours that all
had to go. And they did have an aliminium piston.

(01:50:28):
Sorry I wouldn't piston, but I think they had to
put a bit of strew, bit of template on the
top for where the actual spark went. And it was hot,
and I do know in the nineteen seventies there were
still some of those outboards on Lake Talpa being used for.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
Trolling the trail with wooden pistons.

Speaker 22 (01:50:50):
Yes, yes, there's definitely a wooden piston because I only
wanted him, like someone else said, it's for d Day
and it just a straight away and Seaga got the
the ten and they made them.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
John, You're not going to like me when I ask this,
But how do we prove that?

Speaker 22 (01:51:14):
Well, I'm eighty two now and we used and we
used to go up to tow both fishing and there's
one guy up there had it. No, it's definitely right.
I like all the old stuff. I was born on
the Second World War and it's definitely correct. It just
had a wooden piston, but it only had to last

(01:51:35):
I think forty eight hours, and that's that's what they needed.
Someone said the right thing too. They wanted to just
get in across rivers and moats and all those kinds
of things.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
Okay, okay, what do you think of the internet?

Speaker 22 (01:51:51):
Well, what do you mean by that?

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
Because I can't see anything there that says they had
wooden pistons. Because you think this would be something, you
think this would be something that people would study and
there'd be pictures of them and and like war museums
and stuff. It would be one of the great British stories.

Speaker 22 (01:52:11):
Yeah, well yeah, I've seen it written down anyway, because
the old seagull, you know, that's what made them and
the finest outboard motor for the world. I think it
had written on the top. Well, we we made and
I we were teenagers where we had one and we
used to go up from Partners North got to tower,

(01:52:32):
both Hushing and Nate and they are a great, great unit.
There's nothing to them. You can fix the things at sea.
There's nothing really in them. And you can even use
your belt, put your belt on to fully thing to
start if you if you lose the rope. They're an
unbelievable motor.

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
Oh, it's a great thing. It's a great thing. I
just don't know any proof about the engine in World
War Two, but thank you, yeah for stealth. Stealth like
to get across with the noise. But I can't see
any articles about them having a wooden piston. Now, I

(01:53:16):
just as soon as dB rang about that, I instantly
believed it. So if I google seagull outboard motor, which
I think is the right thing, wooden piston, then you
think something would come up that said about that, wouldn't you?

(01:53:38):
And there's nothing apart from a saving our Seagull's website
that is no longer there. It's got an error. But yes,
if you've got some more information about that. But I
can't find anything about the wooden piston, and there's no
storge of articles about them. But if you've got some
more information about that, because I can't find anything, so

(01:54:02):
there we go. I'd hate to be the purveyor of misinformation,
there's so much of it around these days, or the
spreader or the amplifier. I mean, not that it worries me. Marcus.

Speaker 7 (01:54:13):
This is.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
Marcus on Seagull, wooden pigeons. Wooden pistons, their reputation of
running under almost any condition led to TL tall tales
about bizarre internal components. The idea is a myth amusing
persistent but unsupported marcus our southern rata, what is the
world's second most dents next to the lignum vity. Such

(01:54:39):
woods have properties even exceeding that of various metals, so
I've had specialized industrial uses in history. Such woods and
trees are increasingly rare due to past historical non sustainable harvesting.
I do think there were some special stories about the

(01:55:01):
German baron using Rata von Luckner when he got away
from the Campbell Islands and his boilers. Is that the
story off? I misremembered that one ted AT's Marcus. Good evening?

Speaker 5 (01:55:14):
Is that you Marcus?

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
Yes, welcome?

Speaker 5 (01:55:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:55:17):
How are you?

Speaker 6 (01:55:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
Good things nice to hear from you.

Speaker 6 (01:55:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:55:20):
I had a seagull I bought off the Mary Cap
And you know why they put the wooden pistons in
them during the war. They put them in there, the
pistols piston wooden pistons in them because they're only able
to use them once and they could just leaven behind

(01:55:42):
so the Japs couldn't get them. That's why they put
the hard It was a hardwood. The Australia and the
New Zealand hardwood they use for a piston, and that
guy must have put metal on top of the piston
to make it last longer. If they still used tom
after the war. Okay, so they did actually put wooden pistons,

(01:56:07):
and my one was great and I ended up swapping
it for a Johnson fifteen horse. And that was the
biggest dud I've ever done. I mean, the seagull never stopped.
It was a two and a half and I had
a four and a half one too for the island.

(01:56:27):
But they were a great motor They did put what
what island out of long are out? The heads there
go to Ireland? And I was looking after that for
about seven years.

Speaker 2 (01:56:45):
Did you say, did you say had the funger Owa harbor?

Speaker 20 (01:56:48):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:56:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
What were were you doing? Pstradication? Pardon were you doing
piest eradication? Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:56:58):
Killing the possums and they're going des Ireland.

Speaker 7 (01:57:02):
But it's not going justs island.

Speaker 5 (01:57:04):
On the map. I can't think of what it was
there quite a few years on, just about nineteen yards,
but I used to do with the fencing in that
they used to call it an island. But when the
tide was out, it was actually joint to the to
the land.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
It was inside. Was it inside the harbor?

Speaker 5 (01:57:23):
Yes, yes, before he went out the exit.

Speaker 2 (01:57:26):
On the southern side, of the north side, on the east.

Speaker 5 (01:57:32):
Side, on the western side, going up before the pub.
I don't think of the name the pub up there,
and they used to have the what's the name there
for the when they had the machine guns there for
any boats coming in during the war.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
Oh, yeah, yeah, I have seen no ko yek.

Speaker 5 (01:57:56):
Yeah, up past Kerry Kerry. That's going back for a
few years now.

Speaker 2 (01:58:02):
But but it's not a harbor outside the island inside the.

Speaker 5 (01:58:09):
Yeah, because when Cook first came past there, he didn't
realize that he he cruised passed there. He didn't realize
that harbor was there until he was turned around and
come back. Then that's where they burnt the boy. The
mountings come board.

Speaker 2 (01:58:28):
Wasn't the mil wasn't called Milford or White Alpo Island.

Speaker 5 (01:58:31):
No, no, no, no, no, it's on it's on your
on your computer. I just can't think of it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:38):
Yeah, Okay, how far how far from the mouth of
the harbor?

Speaker 5 (01:58:42):
Ah, not that far, about ten minutes on a little
run about to go out the mouth with a seagull. Okay,
it's the name of the Hope the hotel there now.
It used to be for the army in the early days.
What was the name of that one?

Speaker 2 (01:59:01):
No, I can't remember.

Speaker 5 (01:59:02):
Why you can't give it me. No, I'm not good
on that, but you've got it on your on your computer.

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
Yeah, but are you're talking about on the side I
talked about on the on the side where the fun
and our sport fishing side is on the Totra north side.

Speaker 5 (01:59:18):
On the fishing side Toatu north. It's further up where
the mill up where the mill.

Speaker 2 (01:59:23):
Was fisherman dwarf you missus a saying yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:59:30):
It was out there, eyes up, the mucking around coming
and big days. We'll see if they did make one
of those those a week with a wooden piston.

Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
Okay, well lot more into that, did thank you? Eighteen eleven.
I love a battle Marcus Fani card dump has two
seaboard outboard motors, one with three blades, one with four blades.
Market at a Google on on did seagull motors have
a wooden piston? Reply No, old British seagull output was
you don't have a wooden pisto as a stand feature

(02:00:07):
during normal production, while a persistent maritime myth suggests they
were used during World War Two due to shortage material
is generally considered false. Jason says Wooden Pista is a
good name for a band. A try different search engine?
What's it? What do you mean? They say, try different
search engine? Dan surely asked Jeeves is not still around?

(02:00:37):
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to end this month. Dan, is he in April or March?
Is Trump in April or March? He'd been April? Is

(02:01:00):
just today? He's about four hours into April, isn't he?

Speaker 15 (02:01:03):
Well?

Speaker 2 (02:01:06):
So must be two or three weeks. They'll get out.
They are saying he could unleash a good Friday surprise.
There we go, that's happening. Hello, James, it's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 15 (02:01:20):
Sorry mar guess I've only been jumping in every now
and again. I haven't haven't been listening all night, but
I typed in Google. There are Wooden pistons out there.
Maybe not for the seagull, but there are wooden pistons.
I didn't go right into death, but I thought I
just have a quick look. But yeah, did you not

(02:01:41):
come across that?

Speaker 7 (02:01:43):
No, I just.

Speaker 5 (02:01:47):
In Google.

Speaker 15 (02:01:48):
I just typed in wooden pistons for motors, and it
just came up with all these different videos where people
have made pistons out of wood. Oh yeah, yeah, but
the old seagull, Well one video did say, well, I
just caught the burnt out in twenty six the piston

(02:02:09):
did in the moor.

Speaker 2 (02:02:10):
So well, maybe it's hard to James. Maybe what people
have done is they've heard the myth and they've tried
to replicate it to see if it would work, which
is quite the sort of thing you do on MythBusters,
isn't it true?

Speaker 15 (02:02:23):
And on the news a couple of weeks ago there
was a guy, much of it was in New Zealand
or America. He's made push bikes out of wood, the
entire frame, the only thing that's not wood, and other
tires and he said it's stronger and it lasts longer
than any metal bike.

Speaker 6 (02:02:43):
Yeah, he guarantees it. Yeah, looking there was.

Speaker 2 (02:02:46):
A guy making bamboo bikes and you go to a
workshop and build one on a weekend in America, and
the good flex and all sorts of good things.

Speaker 15 (02:02:54):
Ah, they were beautiful colors. I mean, I can't wait
for them to come out on the market over here.
But yeah, just just saying that what is extremely strong,
some aren't, some aren't. If my well, let's prove it
wrong and do do it and let's see if it's okay.
But what i'mton say too is what is the importance

(02:03:16):
of a wooden piston than a metal one?

Speaker 2 (02:03:19):
I think they said that there was a great myth
that the spirit of Dunkirk, which the Britons love, that
is their defining Is it the defining moment for Britain
with the evacuation of Dunkirk when everyone got involved with
these tiny little boats and they got all the troops out.
I mean it was pretty remarkable, okay. And what they
and what they what what and probably as a myth

(02:03:43):
of British resilience is that they had no more aluminium
to make pistons. They made them out of wood.

Speaker 6 (02:03:49):
Ah.

Speaker 15 (02:03:51):
Very interesting. You love research. I'm going to go research it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:55):
Thank you from dB. I apologize for perpetrating a myth.
I've been searching various maritime websites plus Facebook. The bulk
of them can find that wooden pissed through a myth?
Is he dead? Marcus? It seems to really common for
a marine motors is ligdan vity for shaft bushings if
bronzed and short supply. But I don't think a wooden

(02:04:16):
piston would survive. But we never really know. You need
to actually have one in your hand. That's a wooden piston.
It would be my pick on that. Let's talk about
the price of petrol.

Speaker 24 (02:04:33):
Dave Marcus wooden pistons, and I'm fascinated inside what sort
of a block is it?

Speaker 14 (02:04:41):
What a wooden block or a steel luminium block.

Speaker 5 (02:04:44):
Or what is it?

Speaker 24 (02:04:45):
Because these pistons have got to operate within something. And
why would you make a wooden piston when the obviously
the block cannot be also made out of wood.

Speaker 14 (02:04:54):
It's impossible. Why would you, I wonder, Dave?

Speaker 2 (02:04:59):
Yeah, when people talk about the block, what are they
talking about?

Speaker 24 (02:05:03):
Well, the engine block, the thing the piston goes up
and down to compress. And well, because it is a
it's an engine. So that's my question. And I'm fascinated
to find out why you make a piston when the
block is obviously wouldn't contain the pressures required to some

(02:05:25):
some you know, was it?

Speaker 8 (02:05:28):
I agree?

Speaker 15 (02:05:29):
You know?

Speaker 24 (02:05:30):
Yeah, I mean it's got to compress and a heck
of a revolution within what you know, what sort of
engine block? That's the question, because I'm fascinated. I cannot
see how it would work.

Speaker 14 (02:05:44):
And why would you?

Speaker 2 (02:05:45):
Have you worked out your easter eggs for this easter?

Speaker 3 (02:05:48):
No easter eggs for me.

Speaker 14 (02:05:49):
I'm pre diabetic. I don't need to know, Marcus.

Speaker 2 (02:05:52):
No, what does pre diabetic mean? How long have you
got before you come diabetic?

Speaker 15 (02:05:57):
No?

Speaker 14 (02:05:57):
I've turned it round, Marcus. I've lost enough weight.

Speaker 24 (02:06:02):
I'm down to one hundred and fifty or just under
one hundred and fifty kilo and feeling better for it,
and I'm not going to go back.

Speaker 23 (02:06:09):
In other words, I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (02:06:11):
You know, you're really taking charge of your own destiny, Dave.

Speaker 14 (02:06:16):
Yeah, absolutely, mate, But that's.

Speaker 2 (02:06:19):
IM Sorry to trigger you with asking you about your
That was poor question. My behalf done.

Speaker 14 (02:06:24):
No, you're welcome, Yeah, you're welcome.

Speaker 24 (02:06:26):
I'm proud of it more than anything else, So I
let it blow out a little bit. I blew out
that one hundred and eighty. K. I've always been a
big frame feller, but I turned it round. So yeah,
good on me, Good on.

Speaker 2 (02:06:38):
You, Dave, you got your good on you go you.
They say one to eighty. That's a big union, isn't it?

Speaker 11 (02:06:43):
What height?

Speaker 5 (02:06:44):
Dave?

Speaker 2 (02:06:44):
I was gone. We should do a guess the weight night,
but it would be tricky. This Friday is Good Friday.
This Sunday is Easter Sunday, and there will be commercials
on the radio right throughout Monday and Friday. Dan, I
don't even know which is the most special day. I've
never quite fully understood Easter. Which is the day? Are

(02:07:06):
the ads on the Saturday and the Monday and the Friday,
So every day that we adds jeepers, creepers, where's the respect?
What they are saying is that Facebook and YouTube can advertise,
and why can't. It's just to make the media platform
more ether and hello Joe.

Speaker 26 (02:07:26):
Hello, I'm really about a different subject. It's to do
with the government saying that they're going to let pubs
stay open later after midnight, Yes, during the Easter weekend.
I think it's rather foolish there's enough trouble with junk
driving already.

Speaker 2 (02:07:47):
I don't think there's much of a problem. I think
we've done very well with drink driving. You don't see it,
you don't see it like you used to.

Speaker 23 (02:07:53):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:07:53):
I think we've done well without drinking.

Speaker 11 (02:07:56):
Ah do you?

Speaker 4 (02:07:57):
Ah?

Speaker 26 (02:07:58):
I don't know. Just one person dead's enough for me.

Speaker 2 (02:08:01):
But yeah, people do enjoy a drink, I know.

Speaker 26 (02:08:09):
But if you have an accident because you have, can't
your judgments changed. It's not good, is it?

Speaker 2 (02:08:17):
What they are doing if you can already have a license,
if you're already licensed to stay open. Right, so you're
a cafe a restaurant, you need to serve a meal
before you can serve alcohol. But now they've taken away
that requirement to serve a meal.

Speaker 26 (02:08:33):
Yes, and that having something to eat stops people getting
for drunk. I believe I'm an old yes, But.

Speaker 2 (02:08:42):
I think the decision is. I think the decision is
people probably can choose themselves to have something to eat.
They don't need the government to say you need to
eat a meal.

Speaker 26 (02:08:51):
Oh well, I'm afraid people aren't very sensible, So I
think there'll be more accidents.

Speaker 2 (02:08:55):
But never But people I don't think people drink as
much as they jo. People don't drink as much as
they did, But I think people are remoderate what they're
drinking these days.

Speaker 26 (02:09:04):
Some are, but some aren't.

Speaker 2 (02:09:06):
Are you in christ Church?

Speaker 26 (02:09:09):
I'm there christ Church.

Speaker 5 (02:09:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:09:10):
Okay, well that's a that's a different story, isn't it.
Glug glug, glug, get in touch people, welcome, handle end,
bitter end. Thank you for that. It's always good to Yeah.
I think they've done the right thing. I think they
should do everything with these till I open up the
shopping too.

Speaker 1 (02:09:24):
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