August 3, 2026 • 12 mins
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
Talk, Hello mon, beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean
for Tuesday versa Yesterday's news. I am lean hat and
we are looking back at Monday. The Winston Peters guillotine
protest certainly seems we've got under his skin, so I
guess they achieved something out of that. Christopher luxon versus
(00:49):
road businesses funny old business, and.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Marcus says, sort of our last word on the Commonwealth
Games now that it's all wrapped up, But before any
of that act want to be want teachers to be
able to grab care by the scrap of the neck
and biff them outside or something like that.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
What does Kerry MacIvor think about that?
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Is this something that teachers have asked for as acts policy,
as articulated by Paul Henry, something that teachers actually want?
Have they demanded the right to be able to grapple
an hysterical violence seven year old out of their classroom
without fear of legal repercussions, or do they simply want
(01:36):
smaller classrooms? More teacher aides more teacher training, more power
to expel a child from their school, special classrooms set
up to deal with children with really severe behavioral problems.
Bag difference across the spectrum, huge difference across the spectrum,
(02:01):
and some of the alysses I believe are not neurodivergent
at all, but actually just like being bad, not many.
It's really hard this election campaign, given some of the
pronunciations that are some of the pronouncements that are coming
(02:21):
from the different political parties to sort out whether they
actually believe this or whether they're doing it in a
dog whistling form of electioneering and campaigning. Looking at New
Zealand first and now looking at ACT, is this something
the education system has been crying out for or is
(02:43):
he just looking for headlines.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I had a conversation with my doctor yesterday about this,
funnily enough, because I walked in there a few months
back demanding my drugs that keep me alive be prescribed
to me on a twelve month prescription, and he pointed
out that, well, actually it's not quite as simple as that,
(03:09):
and yeah, we've gone through the processes involved, because.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
There are and now I am but.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah, he says It's funny how sometimes they are the
last people to hear about some of the things that
are policies that have been made or suggested, and then
the patients come in and want them to and it's
a bit like this. And I actually said to the doctor,
I said, yeah, I think that happens sort of a
few things. I think it might have been an education
as well. The teachers are often the last people to
(03:42):
know about some of this stuff that, in an effort
to gain some kind of political momentum, these things are
suggested and you hear that that high picture sort of
dog whistle noise, don't you Whether anybody actually wanted this
stuff in the first place?
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Is a moot point?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
News talk been.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Actually while we're talking politics, so fake Winston Peters, fake guillotine.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
But you know it's slightly dodgy, look, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (04:14):
You've got to ask yourself what on earth was the
Migrant Association thinking this after their stunt of guillotining an
effigy of Winston Peters because they think he's racist. They
obviously disregarded the fact that Benny supporters of mister Peters
believe that unmitigated immigration allows undesirable migrants to flood the country,
(04:36):
the type who think nothing of guillotining a politician or
anybody else they don't like people that they don't like.
All it does is reinforce the stereotype of the violent
migrant coming to replace the existing population. This is what
Winston is raising against, and it's happening at the same
time as the case of Anne Whittikum that rocked the UK,
(04:57):
the politician bludgeoned to death with a hammer for the
crime of being a politician. Now, this was the same
example used by people who found Paul Henry's statement about
shooting Chris have Can distasteful, albeit in jest, prompted buy
some music jocks. So if the Migrant Association thought the
stunt would strengthen support for their position, then they have
(05:19):
clearly failed, and I think they should apologize. I'm going
to ask them too after five, but that doesn't seem
likely because so far they've defended it as satire, which
it wasn't, because, as Paul Henry discovered, there is nothing
funny in suggesting the assassination of a politician.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Also, it's a lot of effort to go to too,
isn't it. But I always figure that.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
You know, just making the signs for a protest. That's
you know, a bit of a pilarba.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Let alone an effigy in a guillotine.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Ques talk sibbin.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Anyway, apparently if you live in a democracy you get
to do this sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Well that's according to Matt and Tyler.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
But say that you try to hold a protest like
that in China, for example, be headed Shijingping. How do
you think that is going to go down for the
protest is involved in that sort of thing.
Speaker 8 (06:10):
That's my point, Tyler. That's why our country is better.
It's because we allow people to do this kind of
thing and show who they are. Right, You're absolutely right,
you know you would good luck.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah you disappear, but yeah, yeah, that freedom that we
have here to do what people many people think might
be too extreme. But isn't that, you know, that's a
positive for New Zealand itself or is it not? Do
you think this is completely unacceptable and this stuff should
be shut down in this country?
Speaker 8 (06:35):
I mean that is the question, isn't it? Does do
violent political displays increase the likelihood of real world violence
or does everyone see this as a pantomime?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So at the end of the day, my doctor and
I decided that if we could just get rid of
all the politicians, not behead them.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
I don't mean that at all. I make that quite clear.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I just mean disestablish the political system and just have
people who are experts in their field being in charge
of things, rather than people like Paul Henry going around
saying we're going to check students out of class and whatever.
The Migrants Association or union or whatever it was doing
whatever they were doing. Let's just have some people who
(07:19):
know what they're doing around the place.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
How about that? Use your right. You can't get away
from it.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
There's an election coming, so politics is everywhere the next
few months.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Sorry, guys.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Is Luxen a political guy or is he a business guy?
And does he say kick ass too often?
Speaker 9 (07:40):
This is what Luxon said, according to the transcript and
part I think that's a negative view, to be honest. Like,
we're entrepreneurs and business people, and I get it. You know,
if you're not retooling and radically disrupting your business, you
ain't doing the job. You know, you have to disrupt
yourself aggressively before you get disrupted by global events. He
then goes on to talk about his time running Unilever
(08:02):
in Canada. I sat in Illinois for six years in Chicago,
and the last person I ever wanted to talk to
is a CEO. Is the government?
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Can I get some grant.
Speaker 9 (08:10):
Money to do something?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
No?
Speaker 9 (08:11):
No, I'm a business person. I'm building a kick ass
company that actually has commercially superior returns, great customer experience,
and awesome internal culture. That is the job of what
makes a great company, not a good one, a great one. Now,
the problem here is not what he's saying. What he's
saying has a lot of truth in it. You shouldn't,
(08:33):
as a business leader be sitting there waiting for a
hand up from the government, and most don't. Any entrepreneur
will tell you that most of what happens is off
their own back. It's the way he's saying it, his tone.
It's a bit off, it's a bit off putting. Trump
does these sorts of things and does these bits quite
well because he's funny. He's so outrageous it's almost entertaining.
(08:56):
You know, I am the greatest leader of all time
in the world, in the history of the world.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
It's like, okay, we get it.
Speaker 9 (09:04):
This is like some sort of David Brent slash, Tony
Robbins mash up and I just don't think it's quite working.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Yep, And I totally agree.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And I think it sort of goes back to what
I was saying before. There's a there's a gap somewhere
between politics and business, and yeah, I don't think that
Luxon's managed to cross it. But I also don't know
if that means that he should be in charge of
the country or not.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
And that So November is it? November?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Right?
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Not far now? News talk z been right? So yeah,
the Commonwealth Games is come and gone.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I was talking to somebody yesterday who didn't even really
realize that it was on.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
It's had that sort of feeling about it, hasn't it.
Speaker 10 (09:56):
We want to to go around with the Calm Games.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
I mean I started.
Speaker 10 (10:00):
Full of cynicism and derision. But Zoey Hobbs and Eliza
McCartney and the netballers, I mean they're big for me.
There's good stuff. David Litty, Yeah, so I'm into it.
Do we want them? If we could do them for free?
I mean you can't really sponsor them, can you? If
(10:22):
we could do them and Charles and Kimiller promise not
to come out, then that might be worthwhile. But if
you've got a thought about that, and would you have
them in Hamilton, because Hamilton's are perfect and they could,
I mean Hamilton, they'd be fantastic for them. Get Richard
O'Brien there, do a time warp for everyone to begin
with huge.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Get the ah.
Speaker 10 (10:46):
Yeah, I'll be into it. If I was the mayor
of Hamilton, That's what I'll be doing. I'll be saying, yet,
we're going to do a bid. Maybe the cargo could
do it it.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Certainly it seems to appeal to a certain group of people.
I spent quite a lot of time over the weekend
in a care home, not as a as a patient,
an inmate. I was visiting somebody there and all the
TVs were on the Commonwealth Games and they seem to
be loving it. I think some of them thought that
(11:24):
it was live, even though they were watching it in
the middle of the day, and obviously at that time
everybody's asleep in Glasgow.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
But it doesn't really matter, does it.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
You've got lots of people doing crazy stuff on TV
that you don't fully understand. I can see how that's
quite compelling viewing for somebody who's doesn't have a lot
going on in their day, whether you want to put
all the money, time and resource and actually hosting it
in your city. That's a tough court, wasn't it. Anyway,
(11:55):
that's done for another four years. It's very interesting to
see what the edge's level is and how much more it's.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Waned this time twenty thirty. Wow.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I don't believe the world will still be here by then,
but you know, you never know where effort is. Maybe
I'll still be doing this and we'll see you then.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
News Talking Talking z it beam for more from News
Talk sat B. Listen live on air or online, and
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Talk, Hello mon, beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean
for Tuesday versa Yesterday's news. I am lean hat and
we are looking back at Monday. The Winston Peters guillotine
protest certainly seems we've got under his skin, so I
guess they achieved something out of that. Christopher luxon versus
(00:49):
road businesses funny old business, and.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Marcus says, sort of our last word on the Commonwealth
Games now that it's all wrapped up, But before any
of that act want to be want teachers to be
able to grab care by the scrap of the neck
and biff them outside or something like that.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
What does Kerry MacIvor think about that?
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Is this something that teachers have asked for as acts policy,
as articulated by Paul Henry, something that teachers actually want?
Have they demanded the right to be able to grapple
an hysterical violence seven year old out of their classroom
without fear of legal repercussions, or do they simply want
(01:36):
smaller classrooms? More teacher aides more teacher training, more power
to expel a child from their school, special classrooms set
up to deal with children with really severe behavioral problems.
Bag difference across the spectrum, huge difference across the spectrum,
(02:01):
and some of the alysses I believe are not neurodivergent
at all, but actually just like being bad, not many.
It's really hard this election campaign, given some of the
pronunciations that are some of the pronouncements that are coming
(02:21):
from the different political parties to sort out whether they
actually believe this or whether they're doing it in a
dog whistling form of electioneering and campaigning. Looking at New
Zealand first and now looking at ACT, is this something
the education system has been crying out for or is
(02:43):
he just looking for headlines.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I had a conversation with my doctor yesterday about this,
funnily enough, because I walked in there a few months
back demanding my drugs that keep me alive be prescribed
to me on a twelve month prescription, and he pointed
out that, well, actually it's not quite as simple as that,
(03:09):
and yeah, we've gone through the processes involved, because.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
There are and now I am but.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah, he says It's funny how sometimes they are the
last people to hear about some of the things that
are policies that have been made or suggested, and then
the patients come in and want them to and it's
a bit like this. And I actually said to the doctor,
I said, yeah, I think that happens sort of a
few things. I think it might have been an education
as well. The teachers are often the last people to
(03:42):
know about some of this stuff that, in an effort
to gain some kind of political momentum, these things are
suggested and you hear that that high picture sort of
dog whistle noise, don't you Whether anybody actually wanted this
stuff in the first place?
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Is a moot point?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
News talk been.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Actually while we're talking politics, so fake Winston Peters, fake guillotine.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
But you know it's slightly dodgy, look, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (04:14):
You've got to ask yourself what on earth was the
Migrant Association thinking this after their stunt of guillotining an
effigy of Winston Peters because they think he's racist. They
obviously disregarded the fact that Benny supporters of mister Peters
believe that unmitigated immigration allows undesirable migrants to flood the country,
(04:36):
the type who think nothing of guillotining a politician or
anybody else they don't like people that they don't like.
All it does is reinforce the stereotype of the violent
migrant coming to replace the existing population. This is what
Winston is raising against, and it's happening at the same
time as the case of Anne Whittikum that rocked the UK,
(04:57):
the politician bludgeoned to death with a hammer for the
crime of being a politician. Now, this was the same
example used by people who found Paul Henry's statement about
shooting Chris have Can distasteful, albeit in jest, prompted buy
some music jocks. So if the Migrant Association thought the
stunt would strengthen support for their position, then they have
(05:19):
clearly failed, and I think they should apologize. I'm going
to ask them too after five, but that doesn't seem
likely because so far they've defended it as satire, which
it wasn't, because, as Paul Henry discovered, there is nothing
funny in suggesting the assassination of a politician.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Also, it's a lot of effort to go to too,
isn't it. But I always figure that.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
You know, just making the signs for a protest. That's
you know, a bit of a pilarba.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Let alone an effigy in a guillotine.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Ques talk sibbin.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Anyway, apparently if you live in a democracy you get
to do this sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Well that's according to Matt and Tyler.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
But say that you try to hold a protest like
that in China, for example, be headed Shijingping. How do
you think that is going to go down for the
protest is involved in that sort of thing.
Speaker 8 (06:10):
That's my point, Tyler. That's why our country is better.
It's because we allow people to do this kind of
thing and show who they are. Right, You're absolutely right,
you know you would good luck.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah you disappear, but yeah, yeah, that freedom that we
have here to do what people many people think might
be too extreme. But isn't that, you know, that's a
positive for New Zealand itself or is it not? Do
you think this is completely unacceptable and this stuff should
be shut down in this country?
Speaker 8 (06:35):
I mean that is the question, isn't it? Does do
violent political displays increase the likelihood of real world violence
or does everyone see this as a pantomime?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So at the end of the day, my doctor and
I decided that if we could just get rid of
all the politicians, not behead them.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
I don't mean that at all. I make that quite clear.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I just mean disestablish the political system and just have
people who are experts in their field being in charge
of things, rather than people like Paul Henry going around
saying we're going to check students out of class and whatever.
The Migrants Association or union or whatever it was doing
whatever they were doing. Let's just have some people who
(07:19):
know what they're doing around the place.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
How about that? Use your right. You can't get away
from it.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
There's an election coming, so politics is everywhere the next
few months.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Sorry, guys.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Is Luxen a political guy or is he a business guy?
And does he say kick ass too often?
Speaker 9 (07:40):
This is what Luxon said, according to the transcript and
part I think that's a negative view, to be honest. Like,
we're entrepreneurs and business people, and I get it. You know,
if you're not retooling and radically disrupting your business, you
ain't doing the job. You know, you have to disrupt
yourself aggressively before you get disrupted by global events. He
then goes on to talk about his time running Unilever
(08:02):
in Canada. I sat in Illinois for six years in Chicago,
and the last person I ever wanted to talk to
is a CEO. Is the government?
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Can I get some grant.
Speaker 9 (08:10):
Money to do something?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
No?
Speaker 9 (08:11):
No, I'm a business person. I'm building a kick ass
company that actually has commercially superior returns, great customer experience,
and awesome internal culture. That is the job of what
makes a great company, not a good one, a great one. Now,
the problem here is not what he's saying. What he's
saying has a lot of truth in it. You shouldn't,
(08:33):
as a business leader be sitting there waiting for a
hand up from the government, and most don't. Any entrepreneur
will tell you that most of what happens is off
their own back. It's the way he's saying it, his tone.
It's a bit off, it's a bit off putting. Trump
does these sorts of things and does these bits quite
well because he's funny. He's so outrageous it's almost entertaining.
(08:56):
You know, I am the greatest leader of all time
in the world, in the history of the world.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
It's like, okay, we get it.
Speaker 9 (09:04):
This is like some sort of David Brent slash, Tony
Robbins mash up and I just don't think it's quite working.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Yep, And I totally agree.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And I think it sort of goes back to what
I was saying before. There's a there's a gap somewhere
between politics and business, and yeah, I don't think that
Luxon's managed to cross it. But I also don't know
if that means that he should be in charge of
the country or not.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
And that So November is it? November?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Right?
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Not far now? News talk z been right? So yeah,
the Commonwealth Games is come and gone.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I was talking to somebody yesterday who didn't even really
realize that it was on.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
It's had that sort of feeling about it, hasn't it.
Speaker 10 (09:56):
We want to to go around with the Calm Games.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
I mean I started.
Speaker 10 (10:00):
Full of cynicism and derision. But Zoey Hobbs and Eliza
McCartney and the netballers, I mean they're big for me.
There's good stuff. David Litty, Yeah, so I'm into it.
Do we want them? If we could do them for free?
I mean you can't really sponsor them, can you? If
(10:22):
we could do them and Charles and Kimiller promise not
to come out, then that might be worthwhile. But if
you've got a thought about that, and would you have
them in Hamilton, because Hamilton's are perfect and they could,
I mean Hamilton, they'd be fantastic for them. Get Richard
O'Brien there, do a time warp for everyone to begin
with huge.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Get the ah.
Speaker 10 (10:46):
Yeah, I'll be into it. If I was the mayor
of Hamilton, That's what I'll be doing. I'll be saying, yet,
we're going to do a bid. Maybe the cargo could
do it it.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Certainly it seems to appeal to a certain group of people.
I spent quite a lot of time over the weekend
in a care home, not as a as a patient,
an inmate. I was visiting somebody there and all the
TVs were on the Commonwealth Games and they seem to
be loving it. I think some of them thought that
(11:24):
it was live, even though they were watching it in
the middle of the day, and obviously at that time
everybody's asleep in Glasgow.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
But it doesn't really matter, does it.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
You've got lots of people doing crazy stuff on TV
that you don't fully understand. I can see how that's
quite compelling viewing for somebody who's doesn't have a lot
going on in their day, whether you want to put
all the money, time and resource and actually hosting it
in your city. That's a tough court, wasn't it. Anyway,
(11:55):
that's done for another four years. It's very interesting to
see what the edge's level is and how much more it's.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Waned this time twenty thirty. Wow.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I don't believe the world will still be here by then,
but you know, you never know where effort is. Maybe
I'll still be doing this and we'll see you then.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
News Talking Talking z it beam for more from News
Talk sat B. Listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
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