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July 6, 2026 13 mins

FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Monday on Newstalk ZB) And Then the Death of It/Who Gets to Vote/Who'd Be a Ref?/Loving the Rugby

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Bean for Tuesday.
First of yesterday's news, I am Glen Harn. We're looking
back at Monday. It's mostly a Rugby based sort of
podcast today, which we'll get too shortly, but in the
meantime we do actually have to talk about who gets
to vote and who doesn't get to vote in this country.
Because Winston Peters he's found another dog whistle to add

(00:49):
to his collection of dog whistles. Did you just sort
of keep them in a case, But like those guys
who played the harmonica, the blues harmonica, you're gonna have
one in every key, whole selection of dog whistles there.
Although I don't know if he's still got the puff
to blow on them, but we'll find out, I guess.
But first up, busy weekend, especially in the States, well
the world really. You had the start of a big

(01:13):
funeral in Iran, you had a stupid wedding in New York,
and America turned two hundred and fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Effectively, they enjoy many freedoms as we do that most
of the rest of the world just does not, and
we forget about this. Elections, protest, assembly speech. Yes, these
are tested from time to time, but you cannot deny
the fact that America is one of the most liberal
and freely expressive states in the world and in all
of human history. Freedom house tracks democracies, they reckon. Just

(01:43):
twenty one percent of the world's population today actually live
in a free society and a democracy, and it's been
tracking down for decades because you have military cups, you
have conflicts, you have power grabs. In Africa, nine countries
have had successful cups since twenty nineteen, since COVID crazy.

(02:04):
We don't know how good we've got it until it's gone,
and that's the problem. And two hundred and five years
without one is worth celebrating without saying it's been perfect.
No country is. Freedom feels good when you can enjoy it,
as Taita and Travis clearly did on the weekend. Congratulations
to them. Here we enjoy rugby and we beat the French.
And in Iran, the weekend's pictures showed mourning and tears

(02:26):
for the eye are told, but the truth is it's
harder to see without a clearer lens that democracy provides.
Many in Iran and expats around the world would have
seen his funeral not as a sad event but cause
for celebration.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Just going back to the whole democracy and freedom and
all that sort of thing. Do you reckon the USA
is a democracy at the moment? Is it a democracy
where the president can just rang up the head of
the most powerful one of the most powerful sports organizations
in the world and tell them what to do? Just

(03:05):
throwing that out there, the kind of thing that when St.
Peter just looks at and goes, oh, that's the way
to run a country. If not the will, how can
I engineer things so only the kind of people who
vote for me are allowed to vote?

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Should people be allowed to vote if they're citizens, but
they've lived overseas for more than ten years, Why should
they be allowed to influence the direction of the country
when they don't even live here. They have no skin
in the game. If you haven't made any payments on
your student loan while living overseas, you shouldn't be able

(03:43):
to vote unless you've paid it back or you've got
a system in place to pay it back. Why on
earth should you be able to vote when you haven't
paid back your loan to the taxpayers. If you're living
overseas to avoid paying tax. Can think of a few

(04:04):
high profile businessmen you shouldn't be able to vote either.
I mean, I've got a list as long as my arm.
If we're going to start talking about who can vote
and who cannot, I'd go a whole lot further than
just reserving the right to vote for citizens. Anyone who

(04:30):
has chose to make their home outside of New Zealand,
who hasn't been back, who has no intention of coming back.
Anybody who is oversees and still owes a lot of
money to the New Zealand taxpayer and has no system
in place to pay it back, they shouldn't be able
to vote either. What does your list look like?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, I mean I think there's an argument for anybody
who pays tax in this country should be allowed to vote,
because you know, effectively that's what you're voting for, isn't it. Dad,
Have a bit of a say, have a bit of
representation of what happens to the money you pay the government.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
It's what it sort of comes down to.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
Isn't.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
I don't know if it's so important whether you're actually
a citizen or not. If you're here paying tax, maybe
you get to get to have a say. And if
you're a bludging student who's scarf it overseas, maybe not
so much. But yeah, a slip, there's a bit of
a slippery slope. Won't you start making a hug call
on who can and can't vote? Do you want to

(05:32):
start shaking that up?

Speaker 6 (05:35):
Right?

Speaker 2 (05:36):
We're going to move into some rugby talk. We're going
to We've got rugby ref talk first up, because and
this comes up every now and again, doesn't it doesn't
it the old abuse from the sidelines argument, who wants
to be a ref?

Speaker 6 (05:49):
But the biggest issue I have is that if there's
abuse happening on the sideline, the club management allowed to happen,
and the rugby unions allowed to happen. You have rugby
union officials at games and a referee is getting abused
and near attituders. It's up to the referee to give
a red card or see in that person away, but

(06:09):
then they put themselves into a spot. So I believe
that if the sideline carry on is carrying on like
it is, those guys should step in and help.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
So you think it should sort of be self regulated
between what club level, from the actual clubs or the
coaches and or the teams.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
So clubs in their committee should have someone are responsible
and go up and down the sidelines and shoulder tap
people and say not good enough, mate, right, and do
it that way and in that way it takes. Because
what the Union are saying is no, no, The referees
is I've got referee abusive forts. But we as referees
don't want to get in that predicament. We shouldn't have

(06:51):
to get in that predicament, especially if they're standing on
the sideline and are privy to what is going on.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
Where where does most abuse come from? Is it from
the sideline or is it from the players level?

Speaker 6 (07:03):
Right from the sideline mainly just animated people. But at
the end of the day, if you shoulder tap those guys,
or just take a video. You've got phones. Everyone's got
a phone now videos of people send it to the
union and get them bare. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
As I get older, I've become more and more cynical
about the way people act on the sidelines of sports games,
especially you know, heads sport age group support. I used
to ref football games, my daughter's football games, and I
only did it because nobody else would do it, and

(07:39):
if I didn't do it, they wouldn't literally wouldn't be
a red. And then all those people who also could
have been a ref just by putting their hand up
still felt like they could yell at me and tell
me what to do, and I'd often just go over
to them and hand the work whist all over to
them and say, if you want to do it, do it.
But that's why I stopped doing it is because of

(08:01):
the abuse, mostly from parents of our own team, which
was really frustrating. Yeah, I think sports overrated. I think
probably we should take it in. Although it sounds like
Marcus was absolutely loving it over the weekend. Of course

(08:23):
he I guess, being a bit of a night how,
I guess he can stay up all night watching it.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
I watched the rugby.

Speaker 7 (08:28):
There was a sensational match. Loved that thought that was
exciting to the end. I didn't really see the anthems,
didn't see the halftime entertainment, but what happened on the
pitch for those eighteen minutes. No streakers to my Knowlogy that,
which was good. I thought it was sensational, so well done.
We've been involved with that, and I went on and watched.
I watched Ireland play Australia afterwards, and I'm not fully

(08:53):
sure how the competition works, but I think it's fantastic.
It feels like you're about ten hours of rugby in
a row every so often.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I thought it was great.

Speaker 7 (09:03):
I don't know what it's called. I don't know how
often it happens, but I thought it was neat. So yeah,
I don't know if it's every two years or every
four years or every year. I'll do some research about that,
but gee, I thought that was good.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, there is a way to find these things out,
of course, there's a few ways you can ask the internet.
I'm not criticizing really, because I had no idea that
this was happening. I mean, i'd probably heard it in
passing and not taken any notice this Nation's championship. That
what it's called. I'm not even sure that I've got

(09:38):
that right now. And I only knew it was happening
because look, I've got an app on my phone that
tells me the rugby results. It's all you want when
you get up the next morning and you just want
to know what's happened overnight and a few sports ball games.
Can there just be an app that tells me the
results where I can't actually remember the name of the app,

(10:00):
of course it's on my phone, but it does tell
you what the name of the competition. The competition was,
and I noticed that, you know, Italy versus Japan was
part of the same competition as Australia versus Ireland. It
was all part of a but like the Test match thing,
isn't it that they heaven cricket which seems to go

(10:22):
over a long period of time and then eventually a
couple of teams play against each Is that I don't
actually know how this whole nation's championship works, just that
everybody seems to be in it. And South Africa's dominating
so far because they absolutely wasted England. We're not dominating

(10:42):
quite so much because we nearly lost to the French
team that everybody said we would never ever lose to
it in a million years, and yet everybody's still sings
quite pleased with how we went. I didn't really watch it, so.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
I can't comment News talk ze Bean.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Who did watch it though Heather she watched it as
she loved it.

Speaker 8 (11:02):
How good was that All Black stets? I'm gonna you know,
I mean, I want to say I'm a little bit
surprised by the number of comment moaning about it and
saying they're not impressed. But if I'm completely honest with you,
I'm not that surprised. I mean, some of the criticism
is fair. There were fumbles and there were discipline issues.
The French scored first and they threatened the entire game,
and it was a very close score line in the end.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
But some of the.

Speaker 8 (11:23):
Criticism feels a little bit like it's still stuck in
twenty thirteen, twenty eleven, twenty fifteen, back when the All
Blacks were at their peak. The normal it's changed. The
Northern hemisphere has caught up since then. The French are
not aside to be underestimated. We do it every time
we go. They're not sending a full strength team. It
doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what they send, whether it's
an A team, a bteam, or a C team. They

(11:44):
have so much depth in that competition now they are
good whoever comes here. So I think we probably underestimated
who we were playing and thought that there should be
what was a pioneer said thirteen twelve thirteen points on
the French plus don't forget this was the first test
of the season and it is always a shaky start,
especially lately for the All Blacks. It's also the first

(12:05):
test for a new coach, and this was a team
that was only in camp to get for what ten
days something like that. That was actually impressive when you
consider all of that. It was a confident start. It
was fast paced, it was full of opportunities. There was
a hunger for possession there. I loved it. I loved
watching that. I loved watching a team that wanted to
win and seem to have some idea of how they
would do it. Yes, of course the critics do make

(12:26):
some fair points and you have to agree with them.
But the All Black showed some spark and most importantly,
they won. If that wasn't good, it was good enough,
wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
There used to be a time where I was going
to rugby. If I missed a game, I'd go back
and watch it. I don't really bother with that anymore.
You sort of get the vibe, although this time I'm
a bit confused. There seems to be a sort of
mixed views on what whether what was happening out there
was good or not. It sounds like there wasn't as

(12:57):
much kicking, and that seems encouraging. What's less encouraging as
the margin. Maybe I am going to have to go
When am I going to find the time to go
back and watch a whole rugby match that's already happened.
I've got time for that. Make the time. I suppose

(13:23):
when I watched the last forty minutes of the episode
nine of Star Wars Movies yesterday, I suppose I could
have spent that time watching some rugby. You just don't
get as many explosions and space ships and aliens in
the rugby game. Usually that's the difficulty. Anyway, I am

(13:45):
a clean hat that has been news doorks.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
He'd been.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
We'll see you back here again tomorrow when we'll look
back at today.

Speaker 6 (13:52):
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Speaker 1 (13:56):
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