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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Being the
Weekend edition, first of yesterday's News. I am Glenn Hart
and we're looking back at Sunday and Saturday. It's one
of the best days you can have a weekend on.
Barbara Driver sort of your Pacific correspondent, extraordinary popped in
for a chat with Jack on Saturday the All Blacks Coke.
(00:44):
We've got a new one that's good here is Australia's
old one. Will talk to the guy who fired him
from that job and then pen a party accomplished, Kenner.
I don't know if he came in for a song,
but he consider he came in for a chat with
franchise giver before any of that international law? Is it
(01:04):
just a bit meaningless these days given the US's recent actions.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Though it was telling actually that when Donald Trump made
that video address, you know how he released a two
minute video announcing the strikes, he didn't even bother trying
to make a legal case about the US facing an
imminent threat. And yet, and yet the same Western countries
(01:30):
that have been wittering on about the importance of international
law and the rules based order have explicitly supported the strikes, or,
in the case of New Zealand, lamely refused to be
drawn on their legality. I just don't understand why people
can't appreciate it's possible to both abhor the Iranian regime
(01:52):
and demand that the likes of the US live up
to the most basic elements of international law. You can
expect both of those things, right, You can have both
of those thoughts in your head at the same time,
and you know, just imagine a hypothetical scenario, right, But
imagine a scenario a few months from now where I
(02:13):
don't know, imagine a Chinese fleet occupies a reef within
the exclusive economic zone of a Pacific nation. Right, a
hypothetical scenario. But just imagine that Chinese fleet pulls up
and occupies a reef within the exclusive economic zone of
another Pacific country. What would we do? What we'd bleat
(02:33):
about international law?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Lol?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Sorry? I just think there's every reason to think that
the events of this week have proved once and for
all that the concept of international law is basically dead.
But from New Zealand's perspective, What else do we have?
What are the levers to exert influence on the world
If we cannot demand that our friends and partners play
(03:01):
by the rules. I'm sorry, but why on earth should
we expect anyone else to?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, that's kind of how I felt the last week.
It was like, Okay, I get that we can't do
anything about it, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't say
that we're not happy about it, does it? News Talk
z been Of course, if there's one person who's definitely
not happy about it, it's former Prime Minister of this country,
(03:27):
Helen Clark.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
You were speaking as a former prime minister. Could you
have spoken this bluntly if you were currently Prime minister?
Or is it somewhat easier to the more license once
you've got out of office.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
We were presented with a similar situation in two thousand
and three. There's quite a long lead up to the
invasion of the United States, which was supported directly by
the US, Australia, the United Kingdom and the Spanish Conservative
government of the time. We made it very clear that
we could not support the war on Iraq. We made
(04:04):
the same points as I made in the last week
saying no one likes Saddam Hussein or who's government, just
as no one in New Zealand, like the Ayatolla and
the raising, that wasn't the point. In order to invade
another country, A couple of things have to be in order.
One of them is that there is an imminent threat
(04:27):
of attack against you. There wasn't end a story. There
was not an imminent a threat of attack. Therefore the
defense under international law of self defense in the face
of an attack didn't occur.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Now.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Secondly, the UN Security Council needs to say not only
never approved this war, but did not even have the
issue put to it.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Oh, well, what can you do? Interesting we can hear,
I guess you talk. We're going to stay on global
affairs sort of. Barbara Driva has been reporting out of
the Pacific for a while now, and she came in
to have a chat with Jack about that.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
What's it like as someone who has spent their life
telling other people's stories to turn the attention on themselves
and tell their own.
Speaker 7 (05:22):
You would know this. It's hugely uncomfortable, because you know,
we'd like to give a voice to others. I certainly do.
I don't do this job for me, and it's just
really uncomfortable, But it's kind of cool at the same time,
because I'm giving people a look behind the scenes at
a time when you know, media is not really trusted.
(05:43):
But I really want people to know just the sort
of the work and the effort and stuff that goes
on behind the scenes, and also a little bit of
personal stuff as well, which I'm also hugely uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
But I mean, you had to make yourself vulnerable for
this book.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
This is one of the tough Yeah, I've got to say,
it's one of the toughest things I think I've ever done.
One of the things is I realized how old I
am when I started writing about when I first started
in journalism. But yeah, it was really tough navigating that.
And there's been a few tears over it as well,
because yeah, there's some parts in it that I just
(06:17):
would rather not write about, but actually it's my memoir
and some of those things to affect how I work
and how I approach people.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, I know how Baba feels. It's hard when you
can make it about me and not about these including
issues that i'd bring to you. I had somebody the
other night tell me I should be Prime Minister. I
thought it was going a little bit that and he
was pretty drug. I'm very clearly honest with you. So really,
(06:49):
probably the really big story of last week was this
appointment of the All Blacks coach. You know, the All Blacks,
the All Blacks, you know, they go out there and
when they start losing, they don't change what they're doing,
and then they keep going kecks from inside their own
(07:10):
half and kick it back to the opposition and makes
you have mistakes in lineouts and you know, back under
the pressure every single time. Yeah, you know, you know
the team, can't You remember.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Amos, what was your reaction when you heard that Dave
Rennie had this week been appointed new head coach of
the All Blacks.
Speaker 8 (07:27):
I've always thought Dave was a good coach. I think
it's the right decision a David Kirk and as tough
as it is, and it's such a brutal game, and
you know, I've had I've had my issues. I think
it was right to cut Razor, and I feel sorry
for him because he's a good guy and a good coach.
(07:48):
But I think when I reflect on the decision, something
had to be done with the Abs and I still
know a lot of people in New Zealand rugby and
the team wasn't playing to its full potential. And look,
you might have had a master plan and it's unfair.
And I had a master plan and never got to
fight through on it. But you've just got to make
(08:10):
calls in life. And I think Dave learned a lot
playing with the Wallabies. I think there's a big difference
between the psychology of New Zealanders and Australians, and we
have a different sporting market here and so uh, you know,
in a perverse kind of way, I think this really
(08:32):
does help the ads. He never lost the change room,
and he stated that publicly when he coached the Wallabies.
And I think Raiser did Liz the the change room.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Couldn't he just ask hibody where it is? He couldn't
find his way to the changing room. I still, and
I will maintain until the day I die, that if
he'd just done a bit more breakdancing, he wouldn't have
lost that changing room. You know what I mean, you
got to you know, record's way. What do you call
(09:13):
that hung that move? What is that move? That break
dancing move? You know the one you go down on
your tummy. I used to be able to do that.
Now is it good? If you'd just done that all
the way into the changing room, that would have been
late to see him every.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Time news talk ze been all right, we're going.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
To finish up here with pen party. He's a tenor.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Should it be more interested in.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
These guys rather than the all black skuys. It sounds
like this guy takes his jothers them more seriously.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
It occurred to me watching that scene that in my
life I'm trying to embrace the imperfections more right, celebrate
being imperfect. And I watched this and I thought, oh
my gosh, you actually have to be perfect, not just technically,
but you had to put every ounce of the right
emotion into every note.
Speaker 9 (10:07):
It's extra absolutely, And by the by the nineteenth time
you recorded, you're not longer feeling the emotion that you had.
And the first take and it's such you know, it's
it's it really is, it really is. You're bringing up
you're bringing up the feelings. It's it's a tough, tough one.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Oh well, I had to start by talking about that.
But look, let's go back in time a little bit
Solomeo so loved that band. It really did kind of
come together quite organically, didn't It as a way to
fundraise for you and you know, your family and friends
and things, to be able to travel and train overseas.
Speaker 9 (10:51):
Absolutely, and that was the reason why we formed the group.
And we made mention of this. If we make mention
of this every time we sing together. That because everyone thought, oh,
this is just a boy band group that you want
to deform and it's the time of your life, you
gotta go. But we always said, no, we actually formed
this just so we can study. And I encouraged the
boys so many times after after we always catch up
(11:13):
and I'd say, remember, you got to go out there
be a star, gain those credits. We'll put the stars
on your lapal because you know what, people come back
to talent. They would want to come out and see
you in your individual merit. And so the fact that
we've kind of gone our ways is not doesn't mean
that Slimios split up at all. They're just gone to
(11:33):
go collect their stars and then we come back and
do it all over again.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
The worm, that's what that move is. They break down.
Two murders. Finally figured it out. I didn't even have
to google it. You just to take my word for that.
I don't know how to worm your way through any
of pas areas. I'd like to say that have you
ges star raised Robertson way, he's got a fut more
time untains who knows? I am gly and had It
(11:58):
was a very silly weekend edition of Newford's Babe. I'm
just watching Museum lose this Atheq in the final. I
mean it's a good one. Come back from here, get
two week its down and over courth over. I don't
have mind telling you it's so going to be over
(12:18):
over by the time you hear this. Anyway, I'll see
you back here again tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Us Talking Talking, Has it been for more from News Talk,
said b Listen live on air or online, and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Said B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk Said Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Being the
Weekend edition, first of yesterday's News. I am Glenn Hart
and we're looking back at Sunday and Saturday. It's one
of the best days you can have a weekend on.
Barbara Driver sort of your Pacific correspondent, extraordinary popped in
for a chat with Jack on Saturday the All Blacks Coke.
(00:44):
We've got a new one that's good here is Australia's
old one. Will talk to the guy who fired him
from that job and then pen a party accomplished, Kenner.
I don't know if he came in for a song,
but he consider he came in for a chat with
franchise giver before any of that international law? Is it
(01:04):
just a bit meaningless these days given the US's recent actions.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Though it was telling actually that when Donald Trump made
that video address, you know how he released a two
minute video announcing the strikes, he didn't even bother trying
to make a legal case about the US facing an
imminent threat. And yet, and yet the same Western countries
(01:30):
that have been wittering on about the importance of international
law and the rules based order have explicitly supported the strikes, or,
in the case of New Zealand, lamely refused to be
drawn on their legality. I just don't understand why people
can't appreciate it's possible to both abhor the Iranian regime
(01:52):
and demand that the likes of the US live up
to the most basic elements of international law. You can
expect both of those things, right, You can have both
of those thoughts in your head at the same time,
and you know, just imagine a hypothetical scenario, right, But
imagine a scenario a few months from now where I
(02:13):
don't know, imagine a Chinese fleet occupies a reef within
the exclusive economic zone of a Pacific nation. Right, a
hypothetical scenario. But just imagine that Chinese fleet pulls up
and occupies a reef within the exclusive economic zone of
another Pacific country. What would we do? What we'd bleat
(02:33):
about international law?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Lol?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Sorry? I just think there's every reason to think that
the events of this week have proved once and for
all that the concept of international law is basically dead.
But from New Zealand's perspective, What else do we have?
What are the levers to exert influence on the world
If we cannot demand that our friends and partners play
(03:01):
by the rules. I'm sorry, but why on earth should
we expect anyone else to?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, that's kind of how I felt the last week.
It was like, Okay, I get that we can't do
anything about it, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't say
that we're not happy about it, does it? News Talk
z been Of course, if there's one person who's definitely
not happy about it, it's former Prime Minister of this country,
(03:27):
Helen Clark.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
You were speaking as a former prime minister. Could you
have spoken this bluntly if you were currently Prime minister?
Or is it somewhat easier to the more license once
you've got out of office.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
We were presented with a similar situation in two thousand
and three. There's quite a long lead up to the
invasion of the United States, which was supported directly by
the US, Australia, the United Kingdom and the Spanish Conservative
government of the time. We made it very clear that
we could not support the war on Iraq. We made
(04:04):
the same points as I made in the last week
saying no one likes Saddam Hussein or who's government, just
as no one in New Zealand, like the Ayatolla and
the raising, that wasn't the point. In order to invade
another country, A couple of things have to be in order.
One of them is that there is an imminent threat
(04:27):
of attack against you. There wasn't end a story. There
was not an imminent a threat of attack. Therefore the
defense under international law of self defense in the face
of an attack didn't occur.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Now.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Secondly, the UN Security Council needs to say not only
never approved this war, but did not even have the
issue put to it.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Oh, well, what can you do? Interesting we can hear,
I guess you talk. We're going to stay on global
affairs sort of. Barbara Driva has been reporting out of
the Pacific for a while now, and she came in
to have a chat with Jack about that.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
What's it like as someone who has spent their life
telling other people's stories to turn the attention on themselves
and tell their own.
Speaker 7 (05:22):
You would know this. It's hugely uncomfortable, because you know,
we'd like to give a voice to others. I certainly do.
I don't do this job for me, and it's just
really uncomfortable, But it's kind of cool at the same time,
because I'm giving people a look behind the scenes at
a time when you know, media is not really trusted.
(05:43):
But I really want people to know just the sort
of the work and the effort and stuff that goes
on behind the scenes, and also a little bit of
personal stuff as well, which I'm also hugely uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
But I mean, you had to make yourself vulnerable for
this book.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
This is one of the tough Yeah, I've got to say,
it's one of the toughest things I think I've ever done.
One of the things is I realized how old I
am when I started writing about when I first started
in journalism. But yeah, it was really tough navigating that.
And there's been a few tears over it as well,
because yeah, there's some parts in it that I just
(06:17):
would rather not write about, but actually it's my memoir
and some of those things to affect how I work
and how I approach people.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, I know how Baba feels. It's hard when you
can make it about me and not about these including
issues that i'd bring to you. I had somebody the
other night tell me I should be Prime Minister. I
thought it was going a little bit that and he
was pretty drug. I'm very clearly honest with you. So really,
(06:49):
probably the really big story of last week was this
appointment of the All Blacks coach. You know, the All Blacks,
the All Blacks, you know, they go out there and
when they start losing, they don't change what they're doing,
and then they keep going kecks from inside their own
(07:10):
half and kick it back to the opposition and makes
you have mistakes in lineouts and you know, back under
the pressure every single time. Yeah, you know, you know
the team, can't You remember.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Amos, what was your reaction when you heard that Dave
Rennie had this week been appointed new head coach of
the All Blacks.
Speaker 8 (07:27):
I've always thought Dave was a good coach. I think
it's the right decision a David Kirk and as tough
as it is, and it's such a brutal game, and
you know, I've had I've had my issues. I think
it was right to cut Razor, and I feel sorry
for him because he's a good guy and a good coach.
(07:48):
But I think when I reflect on the decision, something
had to be done with the Abs and I still
know a lot of people in New Zealand rugby and
the team wasn't playing to its full potential. And look,
you might have had a master plan and it's unfair.
And I had a master plan and never got to
fight through on it. But you've just got to make
(08:10):
calls in life. And I think Dave learned a lot
playing with the Wallabies. I think there's a big difference
between the psychology of New Zealanders and Australians, and we
have a different sporting market here and so uh, you know,
in a perverse kind of way, I think this really
(08:32):
does help the ads. He never lost the change room,
and he stated that publicly when he coached the Wallabies.
And I think Raiser did Liz the the change room.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Couldn't he just ask hibody where it is? He couldn't
find his way to the changing room. I still, and
I will maintain until the day I die, that if
he'd just done a bit more breakdancing, he wouldn't have
lost that changing room. You know what I mean, you
got to you know, record's way. What do you call
(09:13):
that hung that move? What is that move? That break
dancing move? You know the one you go down on
your tummy. I used to be able to do that.
Now is it good? If you'd just done that all
the way into the changing room, that would have been
late to see him every.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Time news talk ze been all right, we're going.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
To finish up here with pen party. He's a tenor.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Should it be more interested in.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
These guys rather than the all black skuys. It sounds
like this guy takes his jothers them more seriously.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
It occurred to me watching that scene that in my
life I'm trying to embrace the imperfections more right, celebrate
being imperfect. And I watched this and I thought, oh
my gosh, you actually have to be perfect, not just technically,
but you had to put every ounce of the right
emotion into every note.
Speaker 9 (10:07):
It's extra absolutely, And by the by the nineteenth time
you recorded, you're not longer feeling the emotion that you had.
And the first take and it's such you know, it's
it's it really is, it really is. You're bringing up
you're bringing up the feelings. It's it's a tough, tough one.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Oh well, I had to start by talking about that.
But look, let's go back in time a little bit
Solomeo so loved that band. It really did kind of
come together quite organically, didn't It as a way to
fundraise for you and you know, your family and friends
and things, to be able to travel and train overseas.
Speaker 9 (10:51):
Absolutely, and that was the reason why we formed the group.
And we made mention of this. If we make mention
of this every time we sing together. That because everyone thought, oh,
this is just a boy band group that you want
to deform and it's the time of your life, you
gotta go. But we always said, no, we actually formed
this just so we can study. And I encouraged the
boys so many times after after we always catch up
(11:13):
and I'd say, remember, you got to go out there
be a star, gain those credits. We'll put the stars
on your lapal because you know what, people come back
to talent. They would want to come out and see
you in your individual merit. And so the fact that
we've kind of gone our ways is not doesn't mean
that Slimios split up at all. They're just gone to
(11:33):
go collect their stars and then we come back and
do it all over again.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
The worm, that's what that move is. They break down.
Two murders. Finally figured it out. I didn't even have
to google it. You just to take my word for that.
I don't know how to worm your way through any
of pas areas. I'd like to say that have you
ges star raised Robertson way, he's got a fut more
time untains who knows? I am gly and had It
(11:58):
was a very silly weekend edition of Newford's Babe. I'm
just watching Museum lose this Atheq in the final. I
mean it's a good one. Come back from here, get
two week its down and over courth over. I don't
have mind telling you it's so going to be over
(12:18):
over by the time you hear this. Anyway, I'll see
you back here again tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Us Talking Talking, Has it been for more from News Talk,
said b Listen live on air or online, and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts
on iHeartRadio.
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