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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said, be you talk.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hello, maybe to pul beanies, and welcome to the Bean
four Thursday, first of yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart.
Almost but not quite a one topic podcast. Today We're
going to finish up talking about bad language with Ryan.
But before any of that or anybody else wanted to
talk about, was Paul Henry. Suddenly the elections turned into
(00:48):
a one horse race. Everybody wants Paul.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
You say, all the chat about Paul Henry was how
good he could be for AX vote. But I think
it's starting to dawn on people myself included, just how
much of a problem Paul Henry could be for National's vote.
Audrey Young has written a piece for The Herald this
afternoon suggesting that Chris Luxen's leadership may come up again,
maybe because of Paul Henry, because, as she says, Paul's
candidacy could be a seismic political event, and she compares
(01:13):
it to the impact that Matheia two Days Benefit fraud
admission had on the Labour Party in twenty seventeen. Labour's
far left voters loved what Matteria said, so they flocked
over to the Greens. The Greens went up four percent,
Labour fell to twenty four percent. The Labour caucus, which
had been loyal to Andrew Little, shifted and Jacinda became
the prime minister, the leader and then the Prime Minister. Now,
Audrey's not explicitly predicting that this is going to happen
(01:35):
to Luxon and nor am I, but I will point
out to you that Paul Henry is a very unique
problem for National because he is a one man representation
of what is happening to National. He was a National man.
He stood for National in nineteen ninety nine, and then
he fell out of love with National because National, he says,
is enormously disappointing to him. They haven't dealt with the
(01:55):
co governance stuff that they said they would. Chris Luxen
isn't connecting with voters. Polling around twenty nine to thirty
percent is not acceptable, he says, and so like many
of National's voters, he's gone off to one of the
smaller parties around National. In his case, Paul is what
a lot of National voters I would imagine wish Luxon
was sure of himself, enthusiastic about New Zealand, confident in
(02:18):
the position that he holds, unashamed of the views that
he holds, a really great communicator. Having him in the election,
I think is only going to show up Chris Luxeon's
weaknesses much more. And what's worse for National is that
Paul is using his communication skills to explain very clearly
and very effectively what is wrong with National.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Yeah, I'm not sure how long.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I mean, I know he's only been doing it today,
but I'm not sure how long Paul Henry can last
if he just keeps torpedoing as coalition partners. Because on
the mic asking Breakfast yesterday morning, he didn't have a
lot of time for New Zealand first obviously.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, I feel like IC don't really get too far
unless they have those partners.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
News talk has been at less.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I've completely misunderstood how even.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You work sweach.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
A lot of people do anyway, Like I say, everyone
that was talking Henry yesterday.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
John Key was a good Prime minister, didn't have to
do the gig and when he got bored he went.
But I think it's widely agreed that he was a
pretty good PM for The Times. This is probably just
going to be a flash in the pan. There'll be
the big announcement. We got it yesterday, scripped the media
(03:40):
news cycle to the extent that you know we're going
to wrap up. I think the twenty four hours of
I don't know what it was really excitement. It wasn't
shocked so much, but it just seemed to be Wow.
It energized It sort of energized the conversation around act.
(04:03):
It energized the conversation around politics, and that's got to
be a good thing. Anything that gets people interested in
politics great, But it's got to go beyond one person.
It's got to go beyond celebrity. It's got to go
beyond face value. As I say, if you're voting for
Paul Henry, you have to be very careful. As young
(04:23):
people did for Winston Peters. They liked him and the
party came second. So be aware that there are broad
ranging policies. Have a look at those before you decide, Oh,
I like that Paul Henry. I'm going to give him
a tick. And be aware too that quick witted, mercurial
(04:45):
people who don't need the gig might not be around
for a long time. It'll be a good time, but
it won't be a long time.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
That's my overall impression Old Paul Henry.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I don't know if he's ever been officially diagnosed with ADHD.
I don't know much about him at all, really. I've
met him a couple of times. Took his hand yesterday
and he came into the studio. But I do get
the vibe that he does get a bit restless after
a while and needs to move on to the next thing.
(05:19):
And I don't know if that's something that you ever
really grow out of. I mean, I guess some people can.
Maybe he can us talk SIB now Marcus lash complete
opposite if you ask me. I feel like Marcus is
Founder's place in life. I've talked to crazy people from
eight tril midnight every night, but he wanted to talk
(05:42):
about Bnry as well.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
What happens.
Speaker 8 (05:45):
When the next poll comes out and he's showing in
the preferred prime minister stakes and is higher than see
what happens then? Because they think, oh, well, because that's
when things start moving A mightn't be the plan, but suddenly, ah,
(06:06):
you know, people prefer you as prime than your leader.
So that's what I was curious about whether that would
actually change anything. I don't know whether it will or not.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
By the way, to the other thing, also is that.
Speaker 8 (06:27):
David Seemour he's got a bit of headlines today because
remember a while ago he said that all students should
be given five thousand dollars to invest to teach about investment.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
Remember that, or.
Speaker 8 (06:37):
Five hundred, five hundred, five thousand, but was five hundred. Well,
what he said today he seems to be speaking of
script wish people quite like. What he's said today is
that he thinks he's not talking about a social media band.
He thinks under sixteen year old should be banned from
(06:58):
having cell phones, which is kind of weird because this
is the Party of Freedom, you know. I'm sure there's
plenty of parents out there that would love that because
the kids want the phone to the parents that want
them to have the phones.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
But the kids given or the parents given.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I think before we take phones away from kids, we
need to take them away from grandparents. I was around
my mother in law's yesterday trying to go over wide.
She couldn't get her phone to work. We let her
(07:36):
have a phone that with physical buttons. So I think
for too long we should have got her on to
a smartphone with a touch screen, probably ten to fifteen
years ago, but because she just doesn't have the skills
to work a touch screen, and it's very hard. It's
like trying to teach somebody to use a computer mouse
(07:57):
who's never used one before. I don't think you've ever
had that experience. It's just something that's so innate, so
instinctual these days for most of us. And it's the
same with a phone spring trying to get them to
understand that you're not pinching it, you're just tapping it.
And when I said tapping it, don't do it with
your fingernal No, it won't work with just your fingernail.
(08:20):
I find myself getting quite tense and losing my temper
a little bit, which she shouldn't do with your mother
in law about anything. I'm sorry about that. She's listening,
but she won't be because she can't get your phone to work.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
You guys listening on your phone anyway, And we're not
quite done with the Paul Henry chat. We sort of
but not quite. Sirah has been very.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Inspired by what Paul Henry's had to say, Remember, this
guy's not really going to have any power, but for
some people he's like a whole breath of fresh ear
for New Zealand politics a whole Yeah, he's ushering in
a golden age.
Speaker 9 (09:01):
I don't know what, but I am for solution, very dissolutions.
And I said to a free Land, I don't think
I'm by Oh my god, and I've never I've been
one of those you know, don't vote, but I just
don't know michell And has changed so much and it's
so sad, and I don't know the answers. I'd hate
to be in government.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
What was it the resonated with Paul Henry. I mean
I listened to a couple of interviews he did with
Heather and Mike, and a few other interviews with the
HEROLD Shane Curry. But what I heard from him, I
think that feels like it's been missing, is there was
a sense of hope in some of the things he
was talking about, you know, and he sounded genuine when
he's talking about his grandkids and when he leaves this
place in twenty thirty years time. He's just worried about
(09:43):
that the country that he grew up in he wants
his grandkids to have those same opportunities, which is a
message of hope, right where maybe what we've heard over
the past eighteen months, two years, three years is just
constant winging. You know, we can be better, but we're not.
And it's this person's problem. I mean, is that Do
you feel that way as well, that that message of
(10:03):
hope just hasn't quite been there?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (10:05):
I absolutely, he gagged me a sense of hope.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Oh, we're voting for hope now, it's the Obama effect.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Lots of people voted for hope, nay, and then their
hopes were sort of slowly dashed over eight course of
eight years of non delivery.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
And watered down.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Promises.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
I'm not saying, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Just be careful when people start preaching hope. It's hard
to really quantify whether you've been successful in delivering it.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
News talk Zi been right.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I'm sick of talking about Paul Henry now, so let's
talk about bad language instead.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
Thank you, Ryan.
Speaker 10 (10:51):
Have you noticed lately the media's obsession with calling out
people for swearing? Exhibit A is a furious, apparently furious
Benji Marshall, West's Tigers coach at the expletive laden presser
is how they described this.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
The fact that people can make up brumors that we're
having a relationship breakdown or a rift between our friendship.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
There's absolutely so.
Speaker 10 (11:12):
The media had been saying he was in a spat
or a row with a now former player and they
were at war, et cetera, et cetera. You know what
the media does, none of which, according to Benji, was
actually true. So he responds and they say he's ranting
and swearing.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
And quote going nuclear.
Speaker 10 (11:27):
Isn't that what they used to call gaslighting?
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Remember that?
Speaker 10 (11:31):
Then there was Winston Peters and you will remember this one.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
I haven't been around this long to come on this
program to talk about that sort of wake upman question.
Speaker 10 (11:40):
Now the media called that a foul language outburst. How
can a word that so many people use describing an
act that clearly so many people do, be so offensive
and worthy of mention? Christine Fletcher Auckland Council complains about
swearing and the council chambers at the moment the Dunedin
Council boss, did you see this yesterday? Was done for
(12:01):
swearing about counselors and calling them bad words behind their backs.
Who hasn't done that. The truth is that most of
us don't mind occasionally too much and you sound like
trash too little, and you sound a bit too cautious
directed in anger. Never a good idea should not happen
at work either. The obsession with people using it from
(12:22):
time to time, though, especially in the age of the Internet,
where people do and say whatever they want, well, that's
a waste of beeping time.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I've always been pretty relaxed about bad language.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
I don't believe it's a thing.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
They're just words, and if you don't use all the
words at your disposal, then you're limiting your vocabulary.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
That's sort of what I feel like.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
But I do agree with Ryan that they sort of
lose their effect if you use them all the time.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
I occasionally use some.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Of those naughty words on this podcast, and I feel
like if you're offended by that, then you can go
away and not.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
Listen to this podcast.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
But yeah, I like to think that I only use
them when they have the best word for the job.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
And there's a lot of words.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I'm going to go and collect them up and I'll
bring them to tomorrow more words. Some of them might
be naughty, some not come back to morrow and find out.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Us Talking Talking Said Bean.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
For more from News Talk Said b listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said b
follow this and our wide Ranger podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said, be you talk.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hello, maybe to pul beanies, and welcome to the Bean
four Thursday, first of yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart.
Almost but not quite a one topic podcast. Today We're
going to finish up talking about bad language with Ryan.
But before any of that or anybody else wanted to
talk about, was Paul Henry. Suddenly the elections turned into
(00:48):
a one horse race. Everybody wants Paul.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
You say, all the chat about Paul Henry was how
good he could be for AX vote. But I think
it's starting to dawn on people myself included, just how
much of a problem Paul Henry could be for National's vote.
Audrey Young has written a piece for The Herald this
afternoon suggesting that Chris Luxen's leadership may come up again,
maybe because of Paul Henry, because, as she says, Paul's
candidacy could be a seismic political event, and she compares
(01:13):
it to the impact that Matheia two Days Benefit fraud
admission had on the Labour Party in twenty seventeen. Labour's
far left voters loved what Matteria said, so they flocked
over to the Greens. The Greens went up four percent,
Labour fell to twenty four percent. The Labour caucus, which
had been loyal to Andrew Little, shifted and Jacinda became
the prime minister, the leader and then the Prime Minister. Now,
Audrey's not explicitly predicting that this is going to happen
(01:35):
to Luxon and nor am I, but I will point
out to you that Paul Henry is a very unique
problem for National because he is a one man representation
of what is happening to National. He was a National man.
He stood for National in nineteen ninety nine, and then
he fell out of love with National because National, he says,
is enormously disappointing to him. They haven't dealt with the
(01:55):
co governance stuff that they said they would. Chris Luxen
isn't connecting with voters. Polling around twenty nine to thirty
percent is not acceptable, he says, and so like many
of National's voters, he's gone off to one of the
smaller parties around National. In his case, Paul is what
a lot of National voters I would imagine wish Luxon
was sure of himself, enthusiastic about New Zealand, confident in
(02:18):
the position that he holds, unashamed of the views that
he holds, a really great communicator. Having him in the election,
I think is only going to show up Chris Luxeon's
weaknesses much more. And what's worse for National is that
Paul is using his communication skills to explain very clearly
and very effectively what is wrong with National.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Yeah, I'm not sure how long.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I mean, I know he's only been doing it today,
but I'm not sure how long Paul Henry can last
if he just keeps torpedoing as coalition partners. Because on
the mic asking Breakfast yesterday morning, he didn't have a
lot of time for New Zealand first obviously.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, I feel like IC don't really get too far
unless they have those partners.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
News talk has been at less.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I've completely misunderstood how even.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You work sweach.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
A lot of people do anyway, Like I say, everyone
that was talking Henry yesterday.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
John Key was a good Prime minister, didn't have to
do the gig and when he got bored he went.
But I think it's widely agreed that he was a
pretty good PM for The Times. This is probably just
going to be a flash in the pan. There'll be
the big announcement. We got it yesterday, scripped the media
(03:40):
news cycle to the extent that you know we're going
to wrap up. I think the twenty four hours of
I don't know what it was really excitement. It wasn't
shocked so much, but it just seemed to be Wow.
It energized It sort of energized the conversation around act.
(04:03):
It energized the conversation around politics, and that's got to
be a good thing. Anything that gets people interested in
politics great, But it's got to go beyond one person.
It's got to go beyond celebrity. It's got to go
beyond face value. As I say, if you're voting for
Paul Henry, you have to be very careful. As young
(04:23):
people did for Winston Peters. They liked him and the
party came second. So be aware that there are broad
ranging policies. Have a look at those before you decide, Oh,
I like that Paul Henry. I'm going to give him
a tick. And be aware too that quick witted, mercurial
(04:45):
people who don't need the gig might not be around
for a long time. It'll be a good time, but
it won't be a long time.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
That's my overall impression Old Paul Henry.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I don't know if he's ever been officially diagnosed with ADHD.
I don't know much about him at all, really. I've
met him a couple of times. Took his hand yesterday
and he came into the studio. But I do get
the vibe that he does get a bit restless after
a while and needs to move on to the next thing.
(05:19):
And I don't know if that's something that you ever
really grow out of. I mean, I guess some people can.
Maybe he can us talk SIB now Marcus lash complete
opposite if you ask me. I feel like Marcus is
Founder's place in life. I've talked to crazy people from
eight tril midnight every night, but he wanted to talk
(05:42):
about Bnry as well.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
What happens.
Speaker 8 (05:45):
When the next poll comes out and he's showing in
the preferred prime minister stakes and is higher than see
what happens then? Because they think, oh, well, because that's
when things start moving A mightn't be the plan, but suddenly, ah,
(06:06):
you know, people prefer you as prime than your leader.
So that's what I was curious about whether that would
actually change anything. I don't know whether it will or not.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
By the way, to the other thing, also is that.
Speaker 8 (06:27):
David Seemour he's got a bit of headlines today because
remember a while ago he said that all students should
be given five thousand dollars to invest to teach about investment.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
Remember that, or.
Speaker 8 (06:37):
Five hundred, five hundred, five thousand, but was five hundred. Well,
what he said today he seems to be speaking of
script wish people quite like. What he's said today is
that he thinks he's not talking about a social media band.
He thinks under sixteen year old should be banned from
(06:58):
having cell phones, which is kind of weird because this
is the Party of Freedom, you know. I'm sure there's
plenty of parents out there that would love that because
the kids want the phone to the parents that want
them to have the phones.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
But the kids given or the parents given.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I think before we take phones away from kids, we
need to take them away from grandparents. I was around
my mother in law's yesterday trying to go over wide.
She couldn't get her phone to work. We let her
(07:36):
have a phone that with physical buttons. So I think
for too long we should have got her on to
a smartphone with a touch screen, probably ten to fifteen
years ago, but because she just doesn't have the skills
to work a touch screen, and it's very hard. It's
like trying to teach somebody to use a computer mouse
(07:57):
who's never used one before. I don't think you've ever
had that experience. It's just something that's so innate, so
instinctual these days for most of us. And it's the
same with a phone spring trying to get them to
understand that you're not pinching it, you're just tapping it.
And when I said tapping it, don't do it with
your fingernal No, it won't work with just your fingernail.
(08:20):
I find myself getting quite tense and losing my temper
a little bit, which she shouldn't do with your mother
in law about anything. I'm sorry about that. She's listening,
but she won't be because she can't get your phone to work.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
You guys listening on your phone anyway, And we're not
quite done with the Paul Henry chat. We sort of
but not quite. Sirah has been very.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Inspired by what Paul Henry's had to say, Remember, this
guy's not really going to have any power, but for
some people he's like a whole breath of fresh ear
for New Zealand politics a whole Yeah, he's ushering in
a golden age.
Speaker 9 (09:01):
I don't know what, but I am for solution, very dissolutions.
And I said to a free Land, I don't think
I'm by Oh my god, and I've never I've been
one of those you know, don't vote, but I just
don't know michell And has changed so much and it's
so sad, and I don't know the answers. I'd hate
to be in government.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
What was it the resonated with Paul Henry. I mean
I listened to a couple of interviews he did with
Heather and Mike, and a few other interviews with the
HEROLD Shane Curry. But what I heard from him, I
think that feels like it's been missing, is there was
a sense of hope in some of the things he
was talking about, you know, and he sounded genuine when
he's talking about his grandkids and when he leaves this
place in twenty thirty years time. He's just worried about
(09:43):
that the country that he grew up in he wants
his grandkids to have those same opportunities, which is a
message of hope, right where maybe what we've heard over
the past eighteen months, two years, three years is just
constant winging. You know, we can be better, but we're not.
And it's this person's problem. I mean, is that Do
you feel that way as well, that that message of
(10:03):
hope just hasn't quite been there?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (10:05):
I absolutely, he gagged me a sense of hope.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Oh, we're voting for hope now, it's the Obama effect.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Lots of people voted for hope, nay, and then their
hopes were sort of slowly dashed over eight course of
eight years of non delivery.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
And watered down.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Promises.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
I'm not saying, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Just be careful when people start preaching hope. It's hard
to really quantify whether you've been successful in delivering it.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
News talk Zi been right.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I'm sick of talking about Paul Henry now, so let's
talk about bad language instead.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
Thank you, Ryan.
Speaker 10 (10:51):
Have you noticed lately the media's obsession with calling out
people for swearing? Exhibit A is a furious, apparently furious
Benji Marshall, West's Tigers coach at the expletive laden presser
is how they described this.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
The fact that people can make up brumors that we're
having a relationship breakdown or a rift between our friendship.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
There's absolutely so.
Speaker 10 (11:12):
The media had been saying he was in a spat
or a row with a now former player and they
were at war, et cetera, et cetera. You know what
the media does, none of which, according to Benji, was
actually true. So he responds and they say he's ranting
and swearing.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
And quote going nuclear.
Speaker 10 (11:27):
Isn't that what they used to call gaslighting?
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Remember that?
Speaker 10 (11:31):
Then there was Winston Peters and you will remember this one.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
I haven't been around this long to come on this
program to talk about that sort of wake upman question.
Speaker 10 (11:40):
Now the media called that a foul language outburst. How
can a word that so many people use describing an
act that clearly so many people do, be so offensive
and worthy of mention? Christine Fletcher Auckland Council complains about
swearing and the council chambers at the moment the Dunedin
Council boss, did you see this yesterday? Was done for
(12:01):
swearing about counselors and calling them bad words behind their backs.
Who hasn't done that. The truth is that most of
us don't mind occasionally too much and you sound like
trash too little, and you sound a bit too cautious
directed in anger. Never a good idea should not happen
at work either. The obsession with people using it from
(12:22):
time to time, though, especially in the age of the Internet,
where people do and say whatever they want, well, that's
a waste of beeping time.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I've always been pretty relaxed about bad language.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
I don't believe it's a thing.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
They're just words, and if you don't use all the
words at your disposal, then you're limiting your vocabulary.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
That's sort of what I feel like.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
But I do agree with Ryan that they sort of
lose their effect if you use them all the time.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
I occasionally use some.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Of those naughty words on this podcast, and I feel
like if you're offended by that, then you can go
away and not.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
Listen to this podcast.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
But yeah, I like to think that I only use
them when they have the best word for the job.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
And there's a lot of words.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I'm going to go and collect them up and I'll
bring them to tomorrow more words. Some of them might
be naughty, some not come back to morrow and find out.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Us Talking Talking Said Bean.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
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