April 20, 2026 • 11 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Monday on Newstalk ZB) While Some Poo-Poo the Polls/AI Apocalypse Update/MAFS Symptomatic of the General Downfall of Society?
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Bean for Tuesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Dean Hart, and we
are looking back at Monday. We've got an AI apocalypse
update for you. See how that's going and that's coming along.
And I'm not sure whether married at first sight is
a key element to it, but we'll find out whether
(00:46):
Marcus is interested in that because I think the Night
finale was on while he was on air. That could
be very distraction. But before any of that, are they
Are they rolling the PM or not? What's going on here? This?
He can't get the stench off them no matter how
(01:07):
hard he tries.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Are the Poles going to make a blind bit of
difference to you? We're not allowed to publish polls on
polling Day and European countries there's a blackout on poles
a little bit earlier than that. Quite frankly, I'd like
to see a moratorium on them for three years. I'm
sick to death of them. It's a bit like the
(01:29):
weather news, you know, in a way. I want to
be informed. I want to know where the storm is
coming and when it's supposed to be hitting. But once
a day, not every minute of every hour, because otherwise
you just become inured to the news that they're supposed
(01:50):
to be giving you. I'd like to know, perhaps once
a day. But turning it into a media circus, I
don't think it's very helpful. And it's the same with
the Poles. In the end, you get a bit of
oppositional deviance and stick one finger and say I'll vote
exactly how I want to vote, thank you very much,
And all of the hype in the world, it's not
(02:12):
going to make me change my mind.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's interesting that whole rule about how you know, you're
not allowed to campaign on election day, you know, all
the advertising's got to be taken away. But I found
it quite confronting. The other night we were watched that
was Kirie. By the way, she's back, so it's nice
to have her about. We were watching the second season
(02:35):
of Total Control, which is a show about Australian politics essentially,
and they clearly don't have that rule. They didn't in
the show anyway, and there were you know, literally people
campaigning at the polling booths before you go in. They
(02:55):
still seem to have an election despite that, maybe people
should just be allowed to do whatever they want.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
News talk.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Has it been that big on the sausage sizzles too
at the polling boots in Australia. I know that to
be a fact. And Christopher l Accident yesterday morning with
Mike Hosking said that nobody's inviting him to a barbecue.
I don't know why he said that when you're already
being painted as unpopular anyway that then actually say I'm
(03:26):
nobody's first choice to burn up at a barbecue anyway
is hither barbecuing him or not.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
There has been a lot of poo pooing of the
poles which I frankly just do not buy into. I
have not seen any evidence that we have the kinds
of polling trouble here in New Zealand that they've had
in the UK, the US or Australia where they called
call for one side and then the other side takes
so it basically comes through Largely. We don't have that
problem because as we run MMP, they run first past
(03:55):
the post systems. Now that actually matters because just a
little bit of inaccuracy in those countries, polling can mean
quite a big surprise of a bunch of marginal seats
fall in the way that you weren't expecting. We do
not have that here. Our mistakes in the polling and
marginal's seats get smoothed out by the party vote. Also,
National is now sitting at twenty nine point seven or
thereabouts in four poles in a row, and there was
(04:16):
another one about six weeks ago that started the saw off.
That means that what you're seeing last night is not
a rogue, it is a trend. Choosing not to believe
the poles feels like the last refuge of those who
are in one hundred percent denial of what is going
on here. But ultimately it's not really up to us
as It's not up to us as voters, it's not
up to us as commentators. It's up to caucus, the
(04:37):
National Party caucus. If the Prime Minister can get himself
through tomorrow and then whether whatever happens over the seven
days after that, and then get him through herself through
caucus Tuesday week, So he's got two caucuses to get through.
If he can get himself through those two caucuses, he
will most likely survive until at least well after the budget.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
So it seems like she's having a go at Mike
hosking there about the pole poop pooing. Two completely different
approaches to poles. Mike's a big pooh poor and Heather
not so much. I think I'm more of a pooh poor,
(05:22):
and it's based solely on sample size, like how hard
you've got to work to get somebody to do a
pole these days? Surely they can't mean anything, And from
all the results and poles I've heard about, they always
say something different. I don't know where she's getting this
training stuff from, but I admittedly haven't actually looked at
any of them. I've just listened to various different reports
(05:44):
about them. And I need to stop doing that because
I am a polepood poor. Are you a poop pooor
us talk zib.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Is Ryan a poop Pooor if there wasn't enough support
on the right to form a government, you can't tell
me that Winston wouldn't do a deal with his devil
to keep the left honest. But back to Luxon and
the leadership for a second. He's had a bad poll
no doubt about it, But there have been plenty of
late with the right keeping the treasury benches. That's why
most of his cabinet keeps his support. That and the
(06:12):
fact that nobody else seems confident enough that that actually
do a better job and improve those numbers. The next
best preferred prime minister for the NATS is Bishop on
two percent. Until it's clear in not just one poll,
but a trend of polls that these guys wouldn't be
part of a cabinet because they wouldn't have the numbers
to form one in the first place, then the leadership
won't change. There's still plenty of time before election day.
(06:36):
There's more than six months to go, and a lot
can change by then too. Descenda didn't need long to
turn and transform Little's vote into enough support to seize
powdered cheap. This idea that all must be decided this
Tuesday or next Tuesday, before Luxon's trip to Singapore ahead
of the budget that follows it is a red herring.
Caucus would be making a decision without enough time to
(07:00):
gather the facts and without confidence in a decent replacement.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Interesting how important Tuesdays are in politics. Isn't it. You know,
in America it's the first Tuesday November is there is
the election and all this stuff here seems to happen
on Tuesday, after caucus meetings and stuff. I've always found
Tuesday to be sort of like the turning fourteen of
(07:28):
the week. It doesn't you know, it's a bit sort
of meaningless. It's not very significant. It's not like the
middle of the week. It's not really the beginning of
the week. It's not really anything. I'm saying to think
if I worked a four day week, Tuesday might be
the day i'd have off. It's popping for Monday and
take Tuesday because it's so it's not really anything, you
(07:51):
know what I mean? Right, So, how's that AI apocalypse going?
Have the robots completely taken over yet? And if not,
why not?
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Unfortunately, it's looking, you know, research at the stage of
saying that AI is currently turning our brains into mush
And anytime, it's like muscles, right, anytime you're not using
your muscles, they become flabby. Anytime you're not using your brain,
it becomes flabby. So the things I reckon as we
have it now as a data driven system that learns
(08:22):
patterns from large amounts of information, and it generates predictions,
it generates responses. It works through mathematics, not perception training
and offer it human. What it has is an interface
that tries to impersonate a human being, and that's where
it gets confusing. It is confident about everything it says
because it has no emotional involvement in the answer.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
It's just output, but it's output that's.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Presented like a human being that we are talking to
and having a great time.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
So it's a tool. It's an amazing tool.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
As callers this how I have pointed out how they
use it for various different applications. But it's not a
human and it's nowhere near becoming a human, despite what
the CEOs of big AI companies they're trying to get
market share and trying to raise capital say, there's nowhere
near becoming a human. In fact, it's becoming obvious as
(09:17):
people test the edge cases how far away it is
from becoming a human.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, people, we say that sort of thing, though they
seem to forget that humans make mistakes and know nothing
bozos and confuse information and conflate facts as well. And
sometimes I think the more AI does that the more
human it actually is. I mean, I know they're not
(09:43):
really AI, but did you see the robots in the
half marathon in China over the weekend. Unusual running style
but effective when like he's talking, you should see my
running style. My running style looks suspiciously.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Like a walk. News Talk, zip Bean, We're.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Going to finish up with Math's talk VP. Does Marcus
a fan or is he not a fan? Hard to
be a fan when you're actually on air on the
radio while the program's on, isn't.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
It, Marcus? Great to have your back? Final have married
at first Sight tonight? It's a probably ninety percent men listening.
Thanks Phil. Yeah, I'm please. I've avoided that. I'm addictive
by nature, and each day I air punch and count
my lucky lucky stars. It's not for me. Married at
first Sight? I mean, each to your own. I don't
want to bar your watching it. But when the magic
(10:38):
source of a TV program is vulnerable people with unrealistic,
unrealistic expectations, been fed alcohol into a stressful situation, then
filmed never going to end well.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Vulnerable people, unrealistic expectations and alcohol, I mean, other than
the being film part. That's just life, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
It's just life.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It's never going to end well. Bit like this podcast,
here comes here, it comes, here, it comes, he comes
to the end.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Us Talk is Talking zid bean For more from News
Talk st B, listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcasts on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk said B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk said B Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Bean for Tuesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Dean Hart, and we
are looking back at Monday. We've got an AI apocalypse
update for you. See how that's going and that's coming along.
And I'm not sure whether married at first sight is
a key element to it, but we'll find out whether
(00:46):
Marcus is interested in that because I think the Night
finale was on while he was on air. That could
be very distraction. But before any of that, are they
Are they rolling the PM or not? What's going on here? This?
He can't get the stench off them no matter how
(01:07):
hard he tries.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Are the Poles going to make a blind bit of
difference to you? We're not allowed to publish polls on
polling Day and European countries there's a blackout on poles
a little bit earlier than that. Quite frankly, I'd like
to see a moratorium on them for three years. I'm
sick to death of them. It's a bit like the
(01:29):
weather news, you know, in a way. I want to
be informed. I want to know where the storm is
coming and when it's supposed to be hitting. But once
a day, not every minute of every hour, because otherwise
you just become inured to the news that they're supposed
(01:50):
to be giving you. I'd like to know, perhaps once
a day. But turning it into a media circus, I
don't think it's very helpful. And it's the same with
the Poles. In the end, you get a bit of
oppositional deviance and stick one finger and say I'll vote
exactly how I want to vote, thank you very much,
And all of the hype in the world, it's not
(02:12):
going to make me change my mind.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's interesting that whole rule about how you know, you're
not allowed to campaign on election day, you know, all
the advertising's got to be taken away. But I found
it quite confronting. The other night we were watched that
was Kirie. By the way, she's back, so it's nice
to have her about. We were watching the second season
(02:35):
of Total Control, which is a show about Australian politics essentially,
and they clearly don't have that rule. They didn't in
the show anyway, and there were you know, literally people
campaigning at the polling booths before you go in. They
(02:55):
still seem to have an election despite that, maybe people
should just be allowed to do whatever they want.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
News talk.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Has it been that big on the sausage sizzles too
at the polling boots in Australia. I know that to
be a fact. And Christopher l Accident yesterday morning with
Mike Hosking said that nobody's inviting him to a barbecue.
I don't know why he said that when you're already
being painted as unpopular anyway that then actually say I'm
(03:26):
nobody's first choice to burn up at a barbecue anyway
is hither barbecuing him or not.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
There has been a lot of poo pooing of the
poles which I frankly just do not buy into. I
have not seen any evidence that we have the kinds
of polling trouble here in New Zealand that they've had
in the UK, the US or Australia where they called
call for one side and then the other side takes
so it basically comes through Largely. We don't have that
problem because as we run MMP, they run first past
(03:55):
the post systems. Now that actually matters because just a
little bit of inaccuracy in those countries, polling can mean
quite a big surprise of a bunch of marginal seats
fall in the way that you weren't expecting. We do
not have that here. Our mistakes in the polling and
marginal's seats get smoothed out by the party vote. Also,
National is now sitting at twenty nine point seven or
thereabouts in four poles in a row, and there was
(04:16):
another one about six weeks ago that started the saw off.
That means that what you're seeing last night is not
a rogue, it is a trend. Choosing not to believe
the poles feels like the last refuge of those who
are in one hundred percent denial of what is going
on here. But ultimately it's not really up to us
as It's not up to us as voters, it's not
up to us as commentators. It's up to caucus, the
(04:37):
National Party caucus. If the Prime Minister can get himself
through tomorrow and then whether whatever happens over the seven
days after that, and then get him through herself through
caucus Tuesday week, So he's got two caucuses to get through.
If he can get himself through those two caucuses, he
will most likely survive until at least well after the budget.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
So it seems like she's having a go at Mike
hosking there about the pole poop pooing. Two completely different
approaches to poles. Mike's a big pooh poor and Heather
not so much. I think I'm more of a pooh poor,
(05:22):
and it's based solely on sample size, like how hard
you've got to work to get somebody to do a
pole these days? Surely they can't mean anything, And from
all the results and poles I've heard about, they always
say something different. I don't know where she's getting this
training stuff from, but I admittedly haven't actually looked at
any of them. I've just listened to various different reports
(05:44):
about them. And I need to stop doing that because
I am a polepood poor. Are you a poop pooor
us talk zib.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Is Ryan a poop Pooor if there wasn't enough support
on the right to form a government, you can't tell
me that Winston wouldn't do a deal with his devil
to keep the left honest. But back to Luxon and
the leadership for a second. He's had a bad poll
no doubt about it, But there have been plenty of
late with the right keeping the treasury benches. That's why
most of his cabinet keeps his support. That and the
(06:12):
fact that nobody else seems confident enough that that actually
do a better job and improve those numbers. The next
best preferred prime minister for the NATS is Bishop on
two percent. Until it's clear in not just one poll,
but a trend of polls that these guys wouldn't be
part of a cabinet because they wouldn't have the numbers
to form one in the first place, then the leadership
won't change. There's still plenty of time before election day.
(06:36):
There's more than six months to go, and a lot
can change by then too. Descenda didn't need long to
turn and transform Little's vote into enough support to seize
powdered cheap. This idea that all must be decided this
Tuesday or next Tuesday, before Luxon's trip to Singapore ahead
of the budget that follows it is a red herring.
Caucus would be making a decision without enough time to
(07:00):
gather the facts and without confidence in a decent replacement.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Interesting how important Tuesdays are in politics. Isn't it. You know,
in America it's the first Tuesday November is there is
the election and all this stuff here seems to happen
on Tuesday, after caucus meetings and stuff. I've always found
Tuesday to be sort of like the turning fourteen of
(07:28):
the week. It doesn't you know, it's a bit sort
of meaningless. It's not very significant. It's not like the
middle of the week. It's not really the beginning of
the week. It's not really anything. I'm saying to think
if I worked a four day week, Tuesday might be
the day i'd have off. It's popping for Monday and
take Tuesday because it's so it's not really anything, you
(07:51):
know what I mean? Right, So, how's that AI apocalypse going?
Have the robots completely taken over yet? And if not,
why not?
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Unfortunately, it's looking, you know, research at the stage of
saying that AI is currently turning our brains into mush
And anytime, it's like muscles, right, anytime you're not using
your muscles, they become flabby. Anytime you're not using your brain,
it becomes flabby. So the things I reckon as we
have it now as a data driven system that learns
(08:22):
patterns from large amounts of information, and it generates predictions,
it generates responses. It works through mathematics, not perception training
and offer it human. What it has is an interface
that tries to impersonate a human being, and that's where
it gets confusing. It is confident about everything it says
because it has no emotional involvement in the answer.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
It's just output, but it's output that's.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Presented like a human being that we are talking to
and having a great time.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
So it's a tool. It's an amazing tool.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
As callers this how I have pointed out how they
use it for various different applications. But it's not a
human and it's nowhere near becoming a human, despite what
the CEOs of big AI companies they're trying to get
market share and trying to raise capital say, there's nowhere
near becoming a human. In fact, it's becoming obvious as
(09:17):
people test the edge cases how far away it is
from becoming a human.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, people, we say that sort of thing, though they
seem to forget that humans make mistakes and know nothing
bozos and confuse information and conflate facts as well. And
sometimes I think the more AI does that the more
human it actually is. I mean, I know they're not
(09:43):
really AI, but did you see the robots in the
half marathon in China over the weekend. Unusual running style
but effective when like he's talking, you should see my
running style. My running style looks suspiciously.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Like a walk. News Talk, zip Bean, We're.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Going to finish up with Math's talk VP. Does Marcus
a fan or is he not a fan? Hard to
be a fan when you're actually on air on the
radio while the program's on, isn't.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
It, Marcus? Great to have your back? Final have married
at first Sight tonight? It's a probably ninety percent men listening.
Thanks Phil. Yeah, I'm please. I've avoided that. I'm addictive
by nature, and each day I air punch and count
my lucky lucky stars. It's not for me. Married at
first Sight? I mean, each to your own. I don't
want to bar your watching it. But when the magic
(10:38):
source of a TV program is vulnerable people with unrealistic,
unrealistic expectations, been fed alcohol into a stressful situation, then
filmed never going to end well.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Vulnerable people, unrealistic expectations and alcohol, I mean, other than
the being film part. That's just life, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
It's just life.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It's never going to end well. Bit like this podcast,
here comes here, it comes, here, it comes, he comes
to the end.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Us Talk is Talking zid bean For more from News
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