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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You Talk said Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to
the Bean for Friday. First with yesterday's news, I am
Glen Hart and we are looking back at Thursday. The
unemployment number I think was a bit worse than what
people thought it was going to be. So maybe they
haven't hired enough people at the statistics department. But first up,
(00:47):
so are we really going to be able to vote
on how much we hate MMP again? How many times
are we going to do this? Who knows, maybe we'll
get to have another flag referendum as well.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
So Christopher Lackson says he supports having another referendum on
mp if he's elected, as he encourages greater support for
his own party so they can govern, he says, without
some yahoo or numpty in cabinets. So he was speaking
on new Stalk ZB this morning with Kerry and he
made the statement in response to a listener who had
texted in asking whether the PM would address the power
(01:21):
held by minor parties in government are governing arrangements, so
just a refresher memory. The last time it went for
a referendum was in twenty eleven, fifteen years ago, and
at that time you couldn't really call it a landslide.
Fifty seven percent of respondents preferred to keep MMP versus
forty two percent who want to change.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
I mean, if you, if you are a party and
you you want to nullify MMP, then you've got to
get You got to do what Labor did in twenty twenty, right,
get sixty five seats. Yeah, get out of fifty percent
of the boat. Yeah, And is that ever gonna happen again?
I mean, if you want to get, if you get
managed to you're really really popular, then you then you
nullify the whole system, don't you? You do, But it's only
happened once. It's only happened once in the ten MMP
(02:01):
elections that we've we've had. Yeah, I wonder what people
think about it. Do you think it should go to
a referendum? Because of course once and Peter's didn't do
he No, obviously he would be anti MMP being changed
because he has been the most successful, you'd say, utilizer
of the system, hasn't he He has?
Speaker 6 (02:21):
Yeah, he's.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
He's been there or thereabouts, and nearly all of them.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
The King Maker. I think that phrase was made up
specifically for Winston Peter's in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
First, would you vote for to go back to first
past the posts or preferential voting? Some of them get
quite confusing by the time you get down to single
transferable vote. Yeah, or supplementary member.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I've got no idea what supplementary member is.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
I need to look into the pure party list proportional representation.
Would you be into that?
Speaker 6 (02:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
This whole thing that the other systems are more complicated.
Nobody understands how this film works, so that's not an
argument against it. But yeah, I mean anything that stops
Winston Peter's doing anything. I mean, I think you've got
to be in favor of these these days, don't you.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Hu's talk.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Was that the first time.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That we've started this podcast with Matt and Tyler, it
might be one hundred percent, but I think it might
be so they do actually discuss news sometimes on their show.
I didn't realize that I should probably doesn't never have,
but we should. Probably here's Marcus as well. Well, let's
really wreak the mold and put him out the front
(03:32):
of the podcast as well.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
But do we go around with MMP? Yeah, we were
with MMP. I like it. I thought the coattail rules
should have gone, but I can't remember why I got
I thought it should have been the thresholders three percent
with no you get your margin. But that's fine. I'm
not going to die a ditch for that. What do
I like about MMP? Sort of makes the whole thing
more dynamic. I think it's a bit more exciting and dramatic.
(03:55):
Do we get better laws? Well, I guess we probably do.
But yeah, that's the situation because Christopher Reluxen has said
today that there's going to be another referendum next to
another flag referend. I can't wait for other one of them,
but I think we I think the flag was okay
the Calm Games. No one got confused because it was
the idea I was going to get confused. No one
got confused because it was a goal that was an
(04:16):
Australian flag that was normally the way it was, wasn't it?
So I knew they had the five stars. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
So, like I said before, this is starting to feel
like flags all over again, isn't it. I don't even
ask Ai to put the New Zealand flag in a picture.
It gets hopelessly confused about that. I mean, if AI
can't figure things out, and yeah, just listening to Marcus
talking about coketails there I forgot about coach does Is
(04:43):
it the same as the overhang?
Speaker 7 (04:45):
You see what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
We don't understand how this works.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You talk SIV.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I work basically in the news every day and I
really still don't really understand it. Mind you, I did
not vote for it. I'm quite heavy to say.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Now.
Speaker 8 (04:57):
I'm not saying that he is desperate, because I actually
think what happened here is that Chris Luxon fell into
the trap of doing what Chris Luxon often does, which
is agreeing with the person that he's talking to him
because Kerry really liked the idea. All of a sudden,
he liked the idea, and off he went on a tangent.
But for people who didn't hear the whole exchange and
just see the headlines, this looks desperate. The second problem
(05:18):
is that this is now dominating what should really be
a very good news day for the National Party. Their
star minister Erica Stanford, has just released the new subjects
for students who are doing Year twelve and thirteen. Chris
Bishop has finally revealed the date for the new train
system in Auckland. We should be talking about that, but
instead we're talking about the Prime Minister saying the second
weird thing in a week. For the record, if there
(05:42):
was a referendum, and there will not be a referendum,
which is why this idea is cocked. If there was
a referendum, it would fail because look at how many
people currently vote for parties only there because of MMP,
the Greens, the Act Party, New Zealand First top the
Opportunity Party if you believe the current polls, the two
FPP parties, the two old parties National and Labor can't
(06:02):
get themselves out of the low thirties. So it's gonna fail.
And that is the third problem. Prime Minister should never,
if they can avoid it, back an idea that is
destined to fail.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, because what he's done is he's forgotten that. And
this is what happened with the flag is that while
the majority of people wanted to change it, they couldn't
agree on what to change it too, And that's why
you get stuck with the thing that everybody hates, and
that's why we've voted for this bloody thing twice already.
Speaker 9 (06:35):
All Right, So, as I suggested at the beginning of
the podcast, it seems like they must be a bit
short staff at the statistics Department because nobody thought the
unemployment figure was going to be as bad.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
As it was.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
It looks worse than actually it is because a bunch
of people decided they would start looking for work in
the second quarter than the one before it. So there
are a bunch of reasons for this happening, but basically, you.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Don't really know.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
You don't know what you don't nuns anyone's guess. It
could be that people go, oh, the job market is
on the up, so it's actually worth me trying to
look for work now, which would be a good thing.
But also, the neat rate is better than it was
in March. There a couple of reasons, a couple of
good takeaways from yesterday's number. The neat rate better than
(07:22):
it was in the March quarter. That's young people, so
ages fifteen to twenty four, who are not in employment,
not in education, or not in training, so you want
fewer of them. It was fourteen point four percent, it's
now thirteen point eight percent. Sure, it's definitely room for improvement,
but there is a slight improvement. Young people who couldn't
(07:43):
find work have gone into education to up skill, which
is exactly what you want them to do at a
time like this. The numbers still higher than you want.
Of course, they both are actually on the whole, but
with context, not as bad as they look at first glance,
and with some promising signs under the hood. And every
economist and his dog right now will tell you don't
let this put you off. Unemployment is the lagging indicator,
(08:05):
so it's the last one that will turn in an
economic turnaround. And gee, this thing's been a titanic of
a turnaround job. But there are plenty of reasons to
be optimistic despite the headline number that came out yesterday.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Do we need to stop trying to get people to
look past the headlines and to actually, you know, investigate
the whole story. I think we do, don't we. I
think we had that age of getting the full story,
having all the information. Where we've done with that? That's gone.
(08:40):
If you can't sum it all up in the headline now,
news talk ze been, but kiriy would I. I'm sure
she's more interested in what happens after the headline. She's
pretty old school that way.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
Human to human connection jobs shouldn't be replaced by AI,
so it can do the, as Cross said, the grunt
work doing the accounts, answering emails while you're connecting with
clients and guests and making people feel special, giving people
human interaction that they're looking for. So in hospo, for instance,
(09:20):
you'll have more time. So the proponents of AI to
be out there schmoozing and doing what you do best
while AI deals with the paperwork in the trades. Again,
they say you should be fine. AI and robots, apparently
(09:41):
because I thought more and more robots were doing the
drain work and then finding out where the holes were
in the pipes. But according to the experts, AI and
robots struggle to navigate unpredictable, messy real world environments like
old pipes and the rewiring of unique buildings. So we've
(10:03):
been given a glimpse of the future and expecting things
to go as they are now would be foolish. We're
going to have to adapt, we're going to have to pivot,
so that young people know there is a place for them,
there is a path for them. It might not have
been the one you or I did when we started
(10:25):
our jobs, but there'll be a different role. And if
you focus on an area where face to face people's
skills is what's required, you should be fine.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
And of course we had the story yesterday that there's
some new subjects that are going to get taught in
school that seem to me mostly about how to teach
AI to be more human. So even those jobs will
then be under threat. See what they were doing something
like that. I don't think it's about the human to
human thing. I think it's about the human to AI
(11:01):
to human and then eventually our robot overlords will be
able to take over fully and we can just listen
to podcasts that sort of thing anyway, So hopefully you're
already there doing that. Otherwise, who am I talking to?
(11:24):
And I'll talk to you again with a weekend edition
of this on Monday, after which, at which point News
Talks you will have turned one hundred. Amazing, isn't it?
Speaker 6 (11:38):
I feel it.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I don't think we look at but I certainly feel it.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Used Talking Talks it beam for more from News Talks
it B Listen live on air or online, and keep
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on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said B,
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
You Talk said Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to
the Bean for Friday. First with yesterday's news, I am
Glen Hart and we are looking back at Thursday. The
unemployment number I think was a bit worse than what
people thought it was going to be. So maybe they
haven't hired enough people at the statistics department. But first up,
(00:47):
so are we really going to be able to vote
on how much we hate MMP again? How many times
are we going to do this? Who knows, maybe we'll
get to have another flag referendum as well.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
So Christopher Lackson says he supports having another referendum on
mp if he's elected, as he encourages greater support for
his own party so they can govern, he says, without
some yahoo or numpty in cabinets. So he was speaking
on new Stalk ZB this morning with Kerry and he
made the statement in response to a listener who had
texted in asking whether the PM would address the power
(01:21):
held by minor parties in government are governing arrangements, so
just a refresher memory. The last time it went for
a referendum was in twenty eleven, fifteen years ago, and
at that time you couldn't really call it a landslide.
Fifty seven percent of respondents preferred to keep MMP versus
forty two percent who want to change.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
I mean, if you, if you are a party and
you you want to nullify MMP, then you've got to
get You got to do what Labor did in twenty twenty, right,
get sixty five seats. Yeah, get out of fifty percent
of the boat. Yeah, And is that ever gonna happen again?
I mean, if you want to get, if you get
managed to you're really really popular, then you then you
nullify the whole system, don't you? You do, But it's only
happened once. It's only happened once in the ten MMP
(02:01):
elections that we've we've had. Yeah, I wonder what people
think about it. Do you think it should go to
a referendum? Because of course once and Peter's didn't do
he No, obviously he would be anti MMP being changed
because he has been the most successful, you'd say, utilizer
of the system, hasn't he He has?
Speaker 6 (02:21):
Yeah, he's.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
He's been there or thereabouts, and nearly all of them.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
The King Maker. I think that phrase was made up
specifically for Winston Peter's in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
First, would you vote for to go back to first
past the posts or preferential voting? Some of them get
quite confusing by the time you get down to single
transferable vote. Yeah, or supplementary member.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I've got no idea what supplementary member is.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
I need to look into the pure party list proportional representation.
Would you be into that?
Speaker 6 (02:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
This whole thing that the other systems are more complicated.
Nobody understands how this film works, so that's not an
argument against it. But yeah, I mean anything that stops
Winston Peter's doing anything. I mean, I think you've got
to be in favor of these these days, don't you.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Hu's talk.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Was that the first time.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That we've started this podcast with Matt and Tyler, it
might be one hundred percent, but I think it might
be so they do actually discuss news sometimes on their show.
I didn't realize that I should probably doesn't never have,
but we should. Probably here's Marcus as well. Well, let's
really wreak the mold and put him out the front
(03:32):
of the podcast as well.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
But do we go around with MMP? Yeah, we were
with MMP. I like it. I thought the coattail rules
should have gone, but I can't remember why I got
I thought it should have been the thresholders three percent
with no you get your margin. But that's fine. I'm
not going to die a ditch for that. What do
I like about MMP? Sort of makes the whole thing
more dynamic. I think it's a bit more exciting and dramatic.
(03:55):
Do we get better laws? Well, I guess we probably do.
But yeah, that's the situation because Christopher Reluxen has said
today that there's going to be another referendum next to
another flag referend. I can't wait for other one of them,
but I think we I think the flag was okay
the Calm Games. No one got confused because it was
the idea I was going to get confused. No one
got confused because it was a goal that was an
(04:16):
Australian flag that was normally the way it was, wasn't it?
So I knew they had the five stars. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
So, like I said before, this is starting to feel
like flags all over again, isn't it. I don't even
ask Ai to put the New Zealand flag in a picture.
It gets hopelessly confused about that. I mean, if AI
can't figure things out, and yeah, just listening to Marcus
talking about coketails there I forgot about coach does Is
(04:43):
it the same as the overhang?
Speaker 7 (04:45):
You see what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
We don't understand how this works.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You talk SIV.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I work basically in the news every day and I
really still don't really understand it. Mind you, I did
not vote for it. I'm quite heavy to say.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Now.
Speaker 8 (04:57):
I'm not saying that he is desperate, because I actually
think what happened here is that Chris Luxon fell into
the trap of doing what Chris Luxon often does, which
is agreeing with the person that he's talking to him
because Kerry really liked the idea. All of a sudden,
he liked the idea, and off he went on a tangent.
But for people who didn't hear the whole exchange and
just see the headlines, this looks desperate. The second problem
(05:18):
is that this is now dominating what should really be
a very good news day for the National Party. Their
star minister Erica Stanford, has just released the new subjects
for students who are doing Year twelve and thirteen. Chris
Bishop has finally revealed the date for the new train
system in Auckland. We should be talking about that, but
instead we're talking about the Prime Minister saying the second
weird thing in a week. For the record, if there
(05:42):
was a referendum, and there will not be a referendum,
which is why this idea is cocked. If there was
a referendum, it would fail because look at how many
people currently vote for parties only there because of MMP,
the Greens, the Act Party, New Zealand First top the
Opportunity Party if you believe the current polls, the two
FPP parties, the two old parties National and Labor can't
(06:02):
get themselves out of the low thirties. So it's gonna fail.
And that is the third problem. Prime Minister should never,
if they can avoid it, back an idea that is
destined to fail.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, because what he's done is he's forgotten that. And
this is what happened with the flag is that while
the majority of people wanted to change it, they couldn't
agree on what to change it too, And that's why
you get stuck with the thing that everybody hates, and
that's why we've voted for this bloody thing twice already.
Speaker 9 (06:35):
All Right, So, as I suggested at the beginning of
the podcast, it seems like they must be a bit
short staff at the statistics Department because nobody thought the
unemployment figure was going to be as bad.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
As it was.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
It looks worse than actually it is because a bunch
of people decided they would start looking for work in
the second quarter than the one before it. So there
are a bunch of reasons for this happening, but basically, you.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Don't really know.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
You don't know what you don't nuns anyone's guess. It
could be that people go, oh, the job market is
on the up, so it's actually worth me trying to
look for work now, which would be a good thing.
But also, the neat rate is better than it was
in March. There a couple of reasons, a couple of
good takeaways from yesterday's number. The neat rate better than
(07:22):
it was in the March quarter. That's young people, so
ages fifteen to twenty four, who are not in employment,
not in education, or not in training, so you want
fewer of them. It was fourteen point four percent, it's
now thirteen point eight percent. Sure, it's definitely room for improvement,
but there is a slight improvement. Young people who couldn't
(07:43):
find work have gone into education to up skill, which
is exactly what you want them to do at a
time like this. The numbers still higher than you want.
Of course, they both are actually on the whole, but
with context, not as bad as they look at first glance,
and with some promising signs under the hood. And every
economist and his dog right now will tell you don't
let this put you off. Unemployment is the lagging indicator,
(08:05):
so it's the last one that will turn in an
economic turnaround. And gee, this thing's been a titanic of
a turnaround job. But there are plenty of reasons to
be optimistic despite the headline number that came out yesterday.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Do we need to stop trying to get people to
look past the headlines and to actually, you know, investigate
the whole story. I think we do, don't we. I
think we had that age of getting the full story,
having all the information. Where we've done with that? That's gone.
(08:40):
If you can't sum it all up in the headline now,
news talk ze been, but kiriy would I. I'm sure
she's more interested in what happens after the headline. She's
pretty old school that way.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
Human to human connection jobs shouldn't be replaced by AI,
so it can do the, as Cross said, the grunt
work doing the accounts, answering emails while you're connecting with
clients and guests and making people feel special, giving people
human interaction that they're looking for. So in hospo, for instance,
(09:20):
you'll have more time. So the proponents of AI to
be out there schmoozing and doing what you do best
while AI deals with the paperwork in the trades. Again,
they say you should be fine. AI and robots, apparently
(09:41):
because I thought more and more robots were doing the
drain work and then finding out where the holes were
in the pipes. But according to the experts, AI and
robots struggle to navigate unpredictable, messy real world environments like
old pipes and the rewiring of unique buildings. So we've
(10:03):
been given a glimpse of the future and expecting things
to go as they are now would be foolish. We're
going to have to adapt, we're going to have to pivot,
so that young people know there is a place for them,
there is a path for them. It might not have
been the one you or I did when we started
(10:25):
our jobs, but there'll be a different role. And if
you focus on an area where face to face people's
skills is what's required, you should be fine.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
And of course we had the story yesterday that there's
some new subjects that are going to get taught in
school that seem to me mostly about how to teach
AI to be more human. So even those jobs will
then be under threat. See what they were doing something
like that. I don't think it's about the human to
human thing. I think it's about the human to AI
(11:01):
to human and then eventually our robot overlords will be
able to take over fully and we can just listen
to podcasts that sort of thing anyway, So hopefully you're
already there doing that. Otherwise, who am I talking to?
(11:24):
And I'll talk to you again with a weekend edition
of this on Monday, after which, at which point News
Talks you will have turned one hundred. Amazing, isn't it?
Speaker 6 (11:38):
I feel it.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I don't think we look at but I certainly feel it.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Used Talking Talks it beam for more from News Talks
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