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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Used Talk said, be you talk, Hello, my.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean For Thursday feels
like a Friday. I am Glen Art and we are
first with yesterday's news, which means we're looking back at Wednesday,
which didn't really feel like a Thursday, even though today's
feels like a Friday. Move on, glean, move on. So today,
what's Labor doing with solar? They had a policy announcement yesterday.
(00:46):
Policy seem to be coming out thick and fast after
they didn't come out at all for a while there.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Now we'll get into that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Liverpool Cities, Why is this a thing?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Social media? Is this a thing?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
And AI has been hassling Marcus like you wouldn't believe.
But before any of that is site access site X.
I don't know why I can't say that, but anyway,
let's give a third attempt.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Site access.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Is that becoming a problem. Turns out tradees have to
pay for parking just to go and build a house.
That's that's complicated for everyone, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
A Wellington plumber says some jobs are now costing clients
up to thirty percent more when homes are on streets
with cycle ways, no parking, punishing, speed bumps, all that
terrible access. And this is not just a Wellington problem.
Every job needs a massive load in and load out
(01:42):
wherever you are. Not so long ago, we were talking
about the team rebuilding Saint James, the Saint James Theatre
in Auckland City and they had absolutely no where to
load in and at kept stinging them with parking tickets
for just trying to get get the job done done.
This is of course terrible for productivity. You know, tradees,
(02:04):
couriers and other service workers don't necessarily hate cycle lanes.
They may, but they don't necessarily hate cycle lanes. I mean,
some people might hate that cyclist that texted me before
and said that they were better than me because they cycled.
You might hate that particular cyclist, but a lot of
these trade, these careers and service workers don't necessarily hate
(02:25):
cycle lanes. But there seems to be a logic floor.
Some modern street designs are based on anti car, anti ute,
anti truck ideology, making it incredibly hard to unload your tools, materials, scaffoldings,
your diggers, your skips, and all the heavy gear you
(02:46):
actually need to get a job done.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, there's a shop that's been fitted out around the
corner from my place and they've got a skip taking
up one car park in front of it, which is fine,
except it's next to the kebab shop that we like
to go to, and sometimes I can't get.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
A park outside the kebab shop, which is a better convenient.
It's all about me.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I do wonder if the problem is that so often,
you know, when there's an empty site, you know where
our building's being torn down and presumably they're about to
put up another one that suddenly becomes a car park
as well. Do you even notice how that happens?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
You needs the car parks?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Eh, pain of modern existence used talks It been right.
So Labor and Solar, now this is the policy we've
been waiting for, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Both of them are now offering plug and solar for renters.
Labor's announced it today as part of the policy National
did it yesterday on Sam and Brown's Facebook page. The
only real difference between these two policies is that Labor
then goes one step further and says, hey, how about
we give you some free money three thousand dollars subsidies
for people in low to middle income homes, because, of
(03:58):
course labor does. Because that is the problem I keep
trying to draw your attention to. There is no problem
in this country that labor does not seem to believe
can't be fixed with free money. If they do not
need to give out that money, as discussed on the
show yesterday, because the plug in solar box can be
brought from my care. If they don't need to give
it out, why do they keep on wanting to give
(04:19):
it out. We could just make that thing legal. It
costs about three hundred dollars according to Mike Casey from
rewiring ol SIA or you probably don't need to help
people pay for that. They could probably do it themselves. Now,
why I am so worked up about labor spending habit
is that it doesn't actually fix any of our actual problems.
It doesn't make us any richer. If you go to
an election campaign and say I'm going to give you
(04:40):
three thousand dollars or five thousand dollars or three free
GP visits or whatever, it doesn't make us richer as
a country. It doesn't make us more productive, It doesn't
make us more efficient. It just hands out more money
that we don't have, which cannot be how we run
every single election campaign until we are completely broke. As
someone said to me on the text today, only labor
(05:01):
could announce national solar policy and yet somehow make it
cost more.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yes, free money good? Isn't it? More national debt? Not
so good?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
But often it's not sort of put that quite that
sick singly, you know, would you like some more national.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Debt but some free money? And even then I think
a lot of people go, hey.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
No, take the money. 's talk city right.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
And this whole Liverpool city thing, the list has come
out again. It does make you wonder when this became
a thing, the Liverpool city thing.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
What is a Liverpool city?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Do we have any? Of course that that's what we
always want to know.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
Auckland absolutely, I mean it's a big, sprawly city. It's
a series of interconnected villages rather than really one big city.
But it's starting to get its groove back. I noticed
that yesterday when I was in downtown Auckland and I
saw some gorgeous young people, well dressed striding down the street.
(06:06):
The shops are great and worn'd as many empty ones.
There were the public spaces that weren't filled with people
who looked like they needed professional help in making their
way through the day. You know, it just looked like
it was starting to get back to being a real
city again. Hamilton. I'm going to have to do something
(06:30):
about Victoria Street before you could call that a world
class liveabool city. But when it comes to what makes
a desirable city, the economist has its criteria stability, prevalence
of crime, healthcare, culture and environment, education and infrastructure. When
(06:53):
it comes to the cities around New Zealand, how would
you rate them, I'd probably put christ Church first, then
Auckland maybe tote on her, although it's got its issues.
I'm looking at the schools as well, Timadoe, Hamilton and
Wellington's got some work to do.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I feel like it's a bit like the Pile Awards.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Like presumably people had opinions about which pile was the
best pie before the Pile Awards came along, and then
it became a really big thing, didn't it. And if
you didn't have a winner of something around the category
and the Pire Awards on your bakery window, then why
would you go there? And I feel about that way
(07:37):
about the Liverpool Citi's thing. It's like that's something that's
sort of just been invented out of nothing, doesn't really
mean much from one specific person to the next. One
person's Liverpool City isn't quite so livable for the next person.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I don't even know how to spell liverball. Do you
keep the e in the middle of it or not?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
So I think we've all decided social media is pretty
much the worst thing that's ever happened to the world.
But yeah, we're still doing it. Can we undo it?
Speaker 8 (08:11):
Where is National Social Media Bill at? We know that
Seymour doesn't like it, Winston is apparently having conniptions about
the wording of it, so Labor might need to step
in and save the day by supporting it. From across
the aisle. In Australia, half the kids who were on
the social media's are still on the social media's Here
there's no shortage of famous and even big money backers
behind a ban. Erica Stamford's of course in charge of it. Yesterday,
(08:33):
Jim and McCaul was the latest coming out saying she
was in support of that part of that group that's
wanting a band. Personally, I don't think social media is
a net positive for society. I think it's probably on
balance as a bad thing. But I don't think we'll
ever get rid of it completely. Either. Doesn't happen really happens.
Look at booze, look at cigarettes. You don't ever really
get rid of stuff, do you. And it won't happen
with social media either, Which is not a reason not
(08:55):
to do it, of course, But it does seem like
National is having a hard time getting it across the line,
which Luxon won't like. Of course, he wants it wrapped
up in a bow by election time so he can
go to parents and say your kids will be saved
from the perils of the inn. So the ball really
is in Hipkins court. Does he help Luxon out and
make himself look more prime ministerial above the fray, as
(09:16):
Key did with Helen Clark over the anti smacking Wall.
Remember that probably depends on the actual wording of the bill,
doesn't it, which we haven't seen yet, Because you can't
back something that won't work or doesn't make sense, no
matter how morally or politically worthy it might be.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
And raising the subject of VPNs as well, and somehow
getting that mixed up in it at all.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
It just I think you want to make this whole
thing less complicated, not more complicated. But that's the problem
when your band start, isn't it. You've got to you.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Sort of got a ban all. Should we just stop
turn off the internet, turn.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
It off news talk zep been.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
I feel you haven't quite turned it off yet. You're
still with me. That's good.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Let's hope Marcus hasn't turned on his Internet even though
he keeps being wrung up by AI.
Speaker 9 (10:06):
Marcus, we can say we come. Ai've been used to
take drive through waters. But what about the jobs lost,
typically young people's students. A will bring about the end
of humanity? Well that was my feelings flowed of today,
was that sense of all those jobs of people and
call centers doing cold calling and trying to get leads
for advertising sales and stuff like that, or doing political
(10:29):
polling or any of that. All that is gone because
this was so convincing. There's no difference. The only thing
that was dodgy for me is that they didn't tell
you're an AI robot, because when you get phoned by
cold callers. You try and be polite to them because
you're realizing it's someone doing a job. That's probably not
that I don't sound patronizing, but you know, if someone
(10:51):
rings you and says, you know, I want to know
if you're interested in this, you do feel empathy for
them doing that job. You don't want to be rude
to them because you know they're just doing it for
money to feed their family, pay for their studies and
stuff like that. So I also think that this cold
calling computer was taking advantage of that. It's exactly what
they were doing. It's it was really sleazy. So I
(11:15):
don't know what the get to me. It should be illegal.
You should say if you're a robot, you should.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Say, im AYI.
Speaker 9 (11:23):
I mean they can be platy, I am jack, I
am an AI. This is an AI generated phone call.
They should say that.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Like that thing.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Well in America anyway, where if you think somebody's an
undercover cop and you ask them are you a cop, that.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
They are legally obligated to tell you they are.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I actually don't think that is a thing. I think
that was an urban myth. But it's like that isn't it?
But how do you make a robot who is doing
something illegal? Probably anyway, I admit that there are robots.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Do it.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
By now, we've all got our AI stalkers, don't we.
I get wrung at least once a week by the
New Zealand Immigration Service. But the weird thing about it
is it comes from an Australian number and each time
I block it and report it as spam and all
the rest of it. And then of course they just
(12:24):
go to the next number on the on the list
and call from that clear, are these robots?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Aren't they? Why couldn't we have made stupider robots?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So yeah, as I have said before, I think the
robot apocalypse has already happened, and we said it didn't
really notice. On that note, either the real me or
the Aime will be back with you on Monday. Won't
be here tomorrow because it's you know, it's that holiday.
(12:56):
What do you mean that's a surprise, It's on the calendar.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Used Talk Talk Bean for more from News Talk Said B.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Listen live on air or online, and keep our shows
with you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said, b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said, be you talk, Hello, my.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean For Thursday feels
like a Friday. I am Glen Art and we are
first with yesterday's news, which means we're looking back at Wednesday,
which didn't really feel like a Thursday, even though today's
feels like a Friday. Move on, glean, move on. So today,
what's Labor doing with solar? They had a policy announcement yesterday.
(00:46):
Policy seem to be coming out thick and fast after
they didn't come out at all for a while there.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Now we'll get into that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Liverpool Cities, Why is this a thing?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Social media? Is this a thing?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
And AI has been hassling Marcus like you wouldn't believe.
But before any of that is site access site X.
I don't know why I can't say that, but anyway,
let's give a third attempt.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Site access.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Is that becoming a problem. Turns out tradees have to
pay for parking just to go and build a house.
That's that's complicated for everyone, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
A Wellington plumber says some jobs are now costing clients
up to thirty percent more when homes are on streets
with cycle ways, no parking, punishing, speed bumps, all that
terrible access. And this is not just a Wellington problem.
Every job needs a massive load in and load out
(01:42):
wherever you are. Not so long ago, we were talking
about the team rebuilding Saint James, the Saint James Theatre
in Auckland City and they had absolutely no where to
load in and at kept stinging them with parking tickets
for just trying to get get the job done done.
This is of course terrible for productivity. You know, tradees,
(02:04):
couriers and other service workers don't necessarily hate cycle lanes.
They may, but they don't necessarily hate cycle lanes. I mean,
some people might hate that cyclist that texted me before
and said that they were better than me because they cycled.
You might hate that particular cyclist, but a lot of
these trade, these careers and service workers don't necessarily hate
(02:25):
cycle lanes. But there seems to be a logic floor.
Some modern street designs are based on anti car, anti ute,
anti truck ideology, making it incredibly hard to unload your tools, materials, scaffoldings,
your diggers, your skips, and all the heavy gear you
(02:46):
actually need to get a job done.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, there's a shop that's been fitted out around the
corner from my place and they've got a skip taking
up one car park in front of it, which is fine,
except it's next to the kebab shop that we like
to go to, and sometimes I can't get.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
A park outside the kebab shop, which is a better convenient.
It's all about me.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I do wonder if the problem is that so often,
you know, when there's an empty site, you know where
our building's being torn down and presumably they're about to
put up another one that suddenly becomes a car park
as well. Do you even notice how that happens?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
You needs the car parks?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Eh, pain of modern existence used talks It been right.
So Labor and Solar, now this is the policy we've
been waiting for, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Both of them are now offering plug and solar for renters.
Labor's announced it today as part of the policy National
did it yesterday on Sam and Brown's Facebook page. The
only real difference between these two policies is that Labor
then goes one step further and says, hey, how about
we give you some free money three thousand dollars subsidies
for people in low to middle income homes, because, of
(03:58):
course labor does. Because that is the problem I keep
trying to draw your attention to. There is no problem
in this country that labor does not seem to believe
can't be fixed with free money. If they do not
need to give out that money, as discussed on the
show yesterday, because the plug in solar box can be
brought from my care. If they don't need to give
it out, why do they keep on wanting to give
(04:19):
it out. We could just make that thing legal. It
costs about three hundred dollars according to Mike Casey from
rewiring ol SIA or you probably don't need to help
people pay for that. They could probably do it themselves. Now,
why I am so worked up about labor spending habit
is that it doesn't actually fix any of our actual problems.
It doesn't make us any richer. If you go to
an election campaign and say I'm going to give you
(04:40):
three thousand dollars or five thousand dollars or three free
GP visits or whatever, it doesn't make us richer as
a country. It doesn't make us more productive, It doesn't
make us more efficient. It just hands out more money
that we don't have, which cannot be how we run
every single election campaign until we are completely broke. As
someone said to me on the text today, only labor
(05:01):
could announce national solar policy and yet somehow make it
cost more.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yes, free money good? Isn't it? More national debt? Not
so good?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
But often it's not sort of put that quite that
sick singly, you know, would you like some more national.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Debt but some free money? And even then I think
a lot of people go, hey.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
No, take the money. 's talk city right.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
And this whole Liverpool city thing, the list has come
out again. It does make you wonder when this became
a thing, the Liverpool city thing.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
What is a Liverpool city?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Do we have any? Of course that that's what we
always want to know.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
Auckland absolutely, I mean it's a big, sprawly city. It's
a series of interconnected villages rather than really one big city.
But it's starting to get its groove back. I noticed
that yesterday when I was in downtown Auckland and I
saw some gorgeous young people, well dressed striding down the street.
(06:06):
The shops are great and worn'd as many empty ones.
There were the public spaces that weren't filled with people
who looked like they needed professional help in making their
way through the day. You know, it just looked like
it was starting to get back to being a real
city again. Hamilton. I'm going to have to do something
(06:30):
about Victoria Street before you could call that a world
class liveabool city. But when it comes to what makes
a desirable city, the economist has its criteria stability, prevalence
of crime, healthcare, culture and environment, education and infrastructure. When
(06:53):
it comes to the cities around New Zealand, how would
you rate them, I'd probably put christ Church first, then
Auckland maybe tote on her, although it's got its issues.
I'm looking at the schools as well, Timadoe, Hamilton and
Wellington's got some work to do.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I feel like it's a bit like the Pile Awards.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Like presumably people had opinions about which pile was the
best pie before the Pile Awards came along, and then
it became a really big thing, didn't it. And if
you didn't have a winner of something around the category
and the Pire Awards on your bakery window, then why
would you go there? And I feel about that way
(07:37):
about the Liverpool Citi's thing. It's like that's something that's
sort of just been invented out of nothing, doesn't really
mean much from one specific person to the next. One
person's Liverpool City isn't quite so livable for the next person.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I don't even know how to spell liverball. Do you
keep the e in the middle of it or not?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
So I think we've all decided social media is pretty
much the worst thing that's ever happened to the world.
But yeah, we're still doing it. Can we undo it?
Speaker 8 (08:11):
Where is National Social Media Bill at? We know that
Seymour doesn't like it, Winston is apparently having conniptions about
the wording of it, so Labor might need to step
in and save the day by supporting it. From across
the aisle. In Australia, half the kids who were on
the social media's are still on the social media's Here
there's no shortage of famous and even big money backers
behind a ban. Erica Stamford's of course in charge of it. Yesterday,
(08:33):
Jim and McCaul was the latest coming out saying she
was in support of that part of that group that's
wanting a band. Personally, I don't think social media is
a net positive for society. I think it's probably on
balance as a bad thing. But I don't think we'll
ever get rid of it completely. Either. Doesn't happen really happens.
Look at booze, look at cigarettes. You don't ever really
get rid of stuff, do you. And it won't happen
with social media either, Which is not a reason not
(08:55):
to do it, of course, But it does seem like
National is having a hard time getting it across the line,
which Luxon won't like. Of course, he wants it wrapped
up in a bow by election time so he can
go to parents and say your kids will be saved
from the perils of the inn. So the ball really
is in Hipkins court. Does he help Luxon out and
make himself look more prime ministerial above the fray, as
(09:16):
Key did with Helen Clark over the anti smacking Wall.
Remember that probably depends on the actual wording of the bill,
doesn't it, which we haven't seen yet, Because you can't
back something that won't work or doesn't make sense, no
matter how morally or politically worthy it might be.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
And raising the subject of VPNs as well, and somehow
getting that mixed up in it at all.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
It just I think you want to make this whole
thing less complicated, not more complicated. But that's the problem
when your band start, isn't it. You've got to you.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Sort of got a ban all. Should we just stop
turn off the internet, turn.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
It off news talk zep been.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
I feel you haven't quite turned it off yet. You're
still with me. That's good.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Let's hope Marcus hasn't turned on his Internet even though
he keeps being wrung up by AI.
Speaker 9 (10:06):
Marcus, we can say we come. Ai've been used to
take drive through waters. But what about the jobs lost,
typically young people's students. A will bring about the end
of humanity? Well that was my feelings flowed of today,
was that sense of all those jobs of people and
call centers doing cold calling and trying to get leads
for advertising sales and stuff like that, or doing political
(10:29):
polling or any of that. All that is gone because
this was so convincing. There's no difference. The only thing
that was dodgy for me is that they didn't tell
you're an AI robot, because when you get phoned by
cold callers. You try and be polite to them because
you're realizing it's someone doing a job. That's probably not
that I don't sound patronizing, but you know, if someone
(10:51):
rings you and says, you know, I want to know
if you're interested in this, you do feel empathy for
them doing that job. You don't want to be rude
to them because you know they're just doing it for
money to feed their family, pay for their studies and
stuff like that. So I also think that this cold
calling computer was taking advantage of that. It's exactly what
they were doing. It's it was really sleazy. So I
(11:15):
don't know what the get to me. It should be illegal.
You should say if you're a robot, you should.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Say, im AYI.
Speaker 9 (11:23):
I mean they can be platy, I am jack, I
am an AI. This is an AI generated phone call.
They should say that.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Like that thing.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Well in America anyway, where if you think somebody's an
undercover cop and you ask them are you a cop, that.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
They are legally obligated to tell you they are.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I actually don't think that is a thing. I think
that was an urban myth. But it's like that isn't it?
But how do you make a robot who is doing
something illegal? Probably anyway, I admit that there are robots.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Do it.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
By now, we've all got our AI stalkers, don't we.
I get wrung at least once a week by the
New Zealand Immigration Service. But the weird thing about it
is it comes from an Australian number and each time
I block it and report it as spam and all
the rest of it. And then of course they just
(12:24):
go to the next number on the on the list
and call from that clear, are these robots?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Aren't they? Why couldn't we have made stupider robots?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So yeah, as I have said before, I think the
robot apocalypse has already happened, and we said it didn't
really notice. On that note, either the real me or
the Aime will be back with you on Monday. Won't
be here tomorrow because it's you know, it's that holiday.
(12:56):
What do you mean that's a surprise, It's on the calendar.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Used Talk Talk Bean for more from News Talk Said B.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
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