June 28, 2026 • 12 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from the weekend on Newstalk ZB) Probably Not Big Tech/Who Can Save Us from the Greens?/I Guess an Actual Miracle Was Too Much to Hope For/What Producing Is
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Used Talk said be Talk.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Oho, My beautiful Beanies, and welcome to the bean The
Weekend edition, first of yesterday's News. I am Glen Hart.
We're looking back at Sunday, ah and it's Saturday. You
do any at least two days to make a weekend
to a big weekend for act the gay gm old
see more on walk that Up All Whites, but disappointing
(00:47):
in the Inn really wed they or were they? And
toy story five is that are you physiting?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
There is?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Of course in New Zealand, connection, isn't there always? But
before any of that big tech? They're really really evil,
aren't they?
Speaker 5 (01:03):
So?
Speaker 6 (01:03):
Why is the government continuing to drag its feet when
it comes to anything to do with big tech? Be
at social media bands, criminalizing deep fakes, requiring digital platforms
to negotiate payments for news content, or making them pay
an appropriate amount of tax? Is it too hard or
too complex? Is there a lack of interest or is
(01:24):
it self serving? Boucher she had some concerning interactions she's
had from politicians.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Actual things that politicians have said to me in the
last sort of year, you know, one of her one said,
if you were nicer to us, maybe we would care
if you lived or died. One of them says, we
effectively weighed up the interests of you and big tech
and decided they were more important to the country.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Boucher also claimed politicians today are thinner skinned than they
used to be, which they quite possibly are. If you
can't handle scrutiny, I'm not sure you're in the right job.
But after watching scrutiny week in Parliament, I would suggest
politicians are as brutal to their colleagues as the media
can be to them. I've had politicians complain to me
about a media organization or an individual journalist before, but
(02:14):
there's always been an understanding that democracy requires the fourth estate,
and that where there are politicians, there will be media,
and vice versa. I'm giving politicians the benefit of the
doubt that they're not so petty as to allow the
demise of democracy because of their own fears, self interest
and ad in adequacies. How ironical that I can't say
that word, but it still begs the question with all
(02:37):
its social harm. Misinformation, disinformation scams, deep fakes, AI slop
and disregard for suppression. Why is the New Zealand government
so scared of making a move against big tech? Unfortunately?
I suspect it's a clear sign of who wears the
pants in the relationship.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I mean, obviously they'll be quite nerdy looking pants, probably
wearing them a bit high. But yeah, they've definitely got
them on and we haven't. I've really tried to make
that work. But I don't know that there has news
(03:14):
talk Z been right so act they've had a bit
of a hui over the weekend. I don't think that's
what they call it. Probably I think they call it
an a GM anyway, So new Deputy Leader, is that
(03:35):
what's going on here?
Speaker 7 (03:35):
As you know, part of today's rhetoric and everything it
seems to be about locking labor out?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Is it just labor?
Speaker 7 (03:42):
Which is the scariest part of that sort of potential government.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
To you, Well, labor are just cynical. They seem to
believe that we've all given up as a country and
we're actually ready to accept that some discount bus spares
and a few free doctors visits, you probably won't get
an appointment for anyway are enough to win an election.
That's their lack of ambition and their cynicism when it
(04:06):
comes to this country. But it's true that they're outrighters
to party Maori and the Greens to the extent that
they end up with influence will take us further backwards
to the rhetoric of division by race, arguing about who
got you when. And then there's this issue of the Greens.
Their basic messages. Look, you know your problems are caused
by someone else's success, so don't ask what you can
(04:28):
do in your own life. Blame someone else. If you
vote for us, we'll text them and take the money
and give it to you. That's got to be the
most dismal if labor or cynical. The Greens are dismal, right, So.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Clear choice. Then you can vote for dismay, for cynicism,
well for act Oh that's easy then, isn't it. I'm
so greedy to clear that up.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You talk sim So.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I was able to make some microwave popcorn, sit on
the couch and watch New Zealand lose quite a lot.
I say that afternoon. That wasn't quite as fun as
I was hoping.
Speaker 8 (05:07):
I I recently saw this amazing presentation from Richie McCaw
and he talked about the All Backs two thousand and
seven World Cup defeat, and this was his point.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Pressure pressure. Everyone feels pressure.
Speaker 8 (05:23):
But when the world's expectation is that you're going to
destroy another team, all that takes is a few little
sporting twists, the bounce of a ball, a random unlucky deflection,
a footballing force mazeur for that pressure to intensify what
it's worth. I reckon Darren Baisley needs to take a punt.
(05:44):
I reckon he needs to get young blood in their
fresh legs. I want to see Jesse Randall run at
the Belgian defense. I think he waited too long to
make changes in previous games, and who knows what might happen.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
It's interesting.
Speaker 8 (05:57):
Ecuador beat Germany yesterday for the first really kind of
big upset in the Football World Cup. But the thing
about that game was there was no jeopardy for the Germans.
They had already qualified for the next round, so they
were resting their stars. They were taking it easy. This
Football World Cup is still waiting for a really, really big,
football universe shattering upset.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Belgium needs to win. We need to win, so come on,
why not?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, So it's so hard to know, isn't it. What
what the differences at that level? It really was what'sitting
there watching? I felt like it really was sort of
a mental psychological thing more than we just didn't I
think when I say, were the all Whites team just
(06:49):
didn't seem to back themselves? Is that what it was?
Where I was I just superimposing my take on to them? Yes?
So anyway, yeah, Jack was a little bit too hopeful there.
What what what was the reaction after the game? After
(07:11):
the All Whites tournament? Seems that's all over now, doesn't it? Mate?
Speaker 7 (07:14):
How would you as says first of all, in general terms,
the all Whites tournament at this World Cup.
Speaker 9 (07:20):
Yeah, look, I think it's always good once once there
dost settles a little bit to start with some perspective, really,
and you know, I think, first and foremost, I'm sure
the coaching staff and Basil will be feeling the same.
It's okay to, you know, to feel disappointed. I think,
you know, everyone wants to see progress. But I think
(07:41):
when you kind of zoom out and take a little
bit of perspective of things, I think you know, we'll
look back and see that this World Cup represented you know,
another kind of big step and you know, a lifting
of standards on and off the pitch that that the
All Whites have produced. So it's obviously been a long
time since we've been at you know, this pinnacle event.
(08:03):
And you know, as I said, I think once we
take a few weeks to kind offer and go through
go through the process of looking back, we'll see that,
you know, as disappointed as will feeling. Now, you know,
I think the team and the players have really taken
things forward to another step.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Just expand on that for us. Then if we strip
away the score lines, and you're right, there is disappointment.
I saw the team as they were jumping on a
bus earlier today, and there is obvious disappointment that their
World Cup campaign is over. But what did you like
the most about what you saw from New Zealand and
the way that they tried to play the way that
they did play.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I mean, at least we scored We scored goals in
every single game. I know I sound like one of
those people, now, don't I Well, at least leading to
leading in a couple of those games and then not
leading that was the annoying thing, Gog, move on news talk,
(09:08):
has it been right? Jess Troy? And then you don't
know who Jess Troy is. She's like a mover and
shaker in Hollywood and she's a New Zealander, so she
is connected to for a story five. So let's talk
(09:30):
to her and find out what producing actually is.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
Now that the film is out, is this a crazy
busy time or can you just kind of chelly you
just totally relax now, Yeah, we're chell.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
In for a bit here, just enjoying everyone going to
the theaters and hearing what they think. Yeah, I'd be
sitting in on some screenings or I'll just sit there
and hear like kids laughing and or like crying. So
that's been nice.
Speaker 8 (09:53):
Hang on, So do you still have to go as
part of your job? You just have to go to
random screenings?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
No, it's a personal thing. I just I feel like
a you know, creeper. But I go into the theaters
and I just watch other people watch the movie.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
There must be so satisfying when it's a good film.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
When it's a good film, when it's.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
A good film, Yes, great, a few I think kats
I went to a parody screening, and they gave up
ears right before the screening, and then they screamed every
time they saw human hands. And I was sitting there like,
oh no, yeah, A good one.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
In a minute.
Speaker 8 (10:31):
But I just wanted if I could start with some really, really,
really basic questions. So when if we're squinting, and of
course we all hang around for the credits at the
very end of the film, what does what does it
say next to gest joy?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Says producer producer?
Speaker 8 (10:46):
Okay, so what does a producer do?
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Yeah, So we basically bring the whole team together and
we help drive the director's vision for the film. We
had two phenomenal directors, Andrew Stanton and Kenna Harris on
this one, and so you're kind of working with them
to figure out the best way to tell the story
they want to tell.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
We could deja like when Shrek was super successful, and
Andrew Adamson, who nobody had ever heard of before, we
basically gave him full credit for everything that happened with
that movie. It was couldn't happen without him. I mean,
good on us. You see now I'm doing that other
(11:30):
typical news the thing, aren't I I was like, you
know not, determined not to be a hype machine. The
Kiwi success overseas sort of the opposite of what I
was just doing with you all lives. Come on, then
you get it together. Which is it going to be
Kiwis are great or Kiwi's underachievement. Well, come on, I'm
(11:52):
going to go have a good hard look at myself
and I'll see you back here again tomorrow with another
new books.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
He'd been used.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Talking Talk For more from news Talk, said b listen
live on air or online, and keep our shows with
you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said be Talk.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Oho, My beautiful Beanies, and welcome to the bean The
Weekend edition, first of yesterday's News. I am Glen Hart.
We're looking back at Sunday, ah and it's Saturday. You
do any at least two days to make a weekend
to a big weekend for act the gay gm old
see more on walk that Up All Whites, but disappointing
(00:47):
in the Inn really wed they or were they? And
toy story five is that are you physiting?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
There is?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Of course in New Zealand, connection, isn't there always? But
before any of that big tech? They're really really evil,
aren't they?
Speaker 5 (01:03):
So?
Speaker 6 (01:03):
Why is the government continuing to drag its feet when
it comes to anything to do with big tech? Be
at social media bands, criminalizing deep fakes, requiring digital platforms
to negotiate payments for news content, or making them pay
an appropriate amount of tax? Is it too hard or
too complex? Is there a lack of interest or is
(01:24):
it self serving? Boucher she had some concerning interactions she's
had from politicians.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Actual things that politicians have said to me in the
last sort of year, you know, one of her one said,
if you were nicer to us, maybe we would care
if you lived or died. One of them says, we
effectively weighed up the interests of you and big tech
and decided they were more important to the country.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Boucher also claimed politicians today are thinner skinned than they
used to be, which they quite possibly are. If you
can't handle scrutiny, I'm not sure you're in the right job.
But after watching scrutiny week in Parliament, I would suggest
politicians are as brutal to their colleagues as the media
can be to them. I've had politicians complain to me
about a media organization or an individual journalist before, but
(02:14):
there's always been an understanding that democracy requires the fourth estate,
and that where there are politicians, there will be media,
and vice versa. I'm giving politicians the benefit of the
doubt that they're not so petty as to allow the
demise of democracy because of their own fears, self interest
and ad in adequacies. How ironical that I can't say
that word, but it still begs the question with all
(02:37):
its social harm. Misinformation, disinformation scams, deep fakes, AI slop
and disregard for suppression. Why is the New Zealand government
so scared of making a move against big tech? Unfortunately?
I suspect it's a clear sign of who wears the
pants in the relationship.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I mean, obviously they'll be quite nerdy looking pants, probably
wearing them a bit high. But yeah, they've definitely got
them on and we haven't. I've really tried to make
that work. But I don't know that there has news
(03:14):
talk Z been right so act they've had a bit
of a hui over the weekend. I don't think that's
what they call it. Probably I think they call it
an a GM anyway, So new Deputy Leader, is that
(03:35):
what's going on here?
Speaker 7 (03:35):
As you know, part of today's rhetoric and everything it
seems to be about locking labor out?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Is it just labor?
Speaker 7 (03:42):
Which is the scariest part of that sort of potential government.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
To you, Well, labor are just cynical. They seem to
believe that we've all given up as a country and
we're actually ready to accept that some discount bus spares
and a few free doctors visits, you probably won't get
an appointment for anyway are enough to win an election.
That's their lack of ambition and their cynicism when it
(04:06):
comes to this country. But it's true that they're outrighters
to party Maori and the Greens to the extent that
they end up with influence will take us further backwards
to the rhetoric of division by race, arguing about who
got you when. And then there's this issue of the Greens.
Their basic messages. Look, you know your problems are caused
by someone else's success, so don't ask what you can
(04:28):
do in your own life. Blame someone else. If you
vote for us, we'll text them and take the money
and give it to you. That's got to be the
most dismal if labor or cynical. The Greens are dismal, right, So.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Clear choice. Then you can vote for dismay, for cynicism,
well for act Oh that's easy then, isn't it. I'm
so greedy to clear that up.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You talk sim So.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I was able to make some microwave popcorn, sit on
the couch and watch New Zealand lose quite a lot.
I say that afternoon. That wasn't quite as fun as
I was hoping.
Speaker 8 (05:07):
I I recently saw this amazing presentation from Richie McCaw
and he talked about the All Backs two thousand and
seven World Cup defeat, and this was his point.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Pressure pressure. Everyone feels pressure.
Speaker 8 (05:23):
But when the world's expectation is that you're going to
destroy another team, all that takes is a few little
sporting twists, the bounce of a ball, a random unlucky deflection,
a footballing force mazeur for that pressure to intensify what
it's worth. I reckon Darren Baisley needs to take a punt.
(05:44):
I reckon he needs to get young blood in their
fresh legs. I want to see Jesse Randall run at
the Belgian defense. I think he waited too long to
make changes in previous games, and who knows what might happen.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
It's interesting.
Speaker 8 (05:57):
Ecuador beat Germany yesterday for the first really kind of
big upset in the Football World Cup. But the thing
about that game was there was no jeopardy for the Germans.
They had already qualified for the next round, so they
were resting their stars. They were taking it easy. This
Football World Cup is still waiting for a really, really big,
football universe shattering upset.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Belgium needs to win. We need to win, so come on,
why not?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, So it's so hard to know, isn't it. What
what the differences at that level? It really was what'sitting
there watching? I felt like it really was sort of
a mental psychological thing more than we just didn't I
think when I say, were the all Whites team just
(06:49):
didn't seem to back themselves? Is that what it was?
Where I was I just superimposing my take on to them? Yes?
So anyway, yeah, Jack was a little bit too hopeful there.
What what what was the reaction after the game? After
(07:11):
the All Whites tournament? Seems that's all over now, doesn't it? Mate?
Speaker 7 (07:14):
How would you as says first of all, in general terms,
the all Whites tournament at this World Cup.
Speaker 9 (07:20):
Yeah, look, I think it's always good once once there
dost settles a little bit to start with some perspective, really,
and you know, I think, first and foremost, I'm sure
the coaching staff and Basil will be feeling the same.
It's okay to, you know, to feel disappointed. I think,
you know, everyone wants to see progress. But I think
(07:41):
when you kind of zoom out and take a little
bit of perspective of things, I think you know, we'll
look back and see that this World Cup represented you know,
another kind of big step and you know, a lifting
of standards on and off the pitch that that the
All Whites have produced. So it's obviously been a long
time since we've been at you know, this pinnacle event.
(08:03):
And you know, as I said, I think once we
take a few weeks to kind offer and go through
go through the process of looking back, we'll see that,
you know, as disappointed as will feeling. Now, you know,
I think the team and the players have really taken
things forward to another step.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Just expand on that for us. Then if we strip
away the score lines, and you're right, there is disappointment.
I saw the team as they were jumping on a
bus earlier today, and there is obvious disappointment that their
World Cup campaign is over. But what did you like
the most about what you saw from New Zealand and
the way that they tried to play the way that
they did play.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I mean, at least we scored We scored goals in
every single game. I know I sound like one of
those people, now, don't I Well, at least leading to
leading in a couple of those games and then not
leading that was the annoying thing, Gog, move on news talk,
(09:08):
has it been right? Jess Troy? And then you don't
know who Jess Troy is. She's like a mover and
shaker in Hollywood and she's a New Zealander, so she
is connected to for a story five. So let's talk
(09:30):
to her and find out what producing actually is.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
Now that the film is out, is this a crazy
busy time or can you just kind of chelly you
just totally relax now, Yeah, we're chell.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
In for a bit here, just enjoying everyone going to
the theaters and hearing what they think. Yeah, I'd be
sitting in on some screenings or I'll just sit there
and hear like kids laughing and or like crying. So
that's been nice.
Speaker 8 (09:53):
Hang on, So do you still have to go as
part of your job? You just have to go to
random screenings?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
No, it's a personal thing. I just I feel like
a you know, creeper. But I go into the theaters
and I just watch other people watch the movie.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
There must be so satisfying when it's a good film.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
When it's a good film, when it's.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
A good film, Yes, great, a few I think kats
I went to a parody screening, and they gave up
ears right before the screening, and then they screamed every
time they saw human hands. And I was sitting there like,
oh no, yeah, A good one.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
In a minute.
Speaker 8 (10:31):
But I just wanted if I could start with some really, really,
really basic questions. So when if we're squinting, and of
course we all hang around for the credits at the
very end of the film, what does what does it
say next to gest joy?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Says producer producer?
Speaker 8 (10:46):
Okay, so what does a producer do?
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Yeah, So we basically bring the whole team together and
we help drive the director's vision for the film. We
had two phenomenal directors, Andrew Stanton and Kenna Harris on
this one, and so you're kind of working with them
to figure out the best way to tell the story
they want to tell.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
We could deja like when Shrek was super successful, and
Andrew Adamson, who nobody had ever heard of before, we
basically gave him full credit for everything that happened with
that movie. It was couldn't happen without him. I mean,
good on us. You see now I'm doing that other
(11:30):
typical news the thing, aren't I I was like, you
know not, determined not to be a hype machine. The
Kiwi success overseas sort of the opposite of what I
was just doing with you all lives. Come on, then
you get it together. Which is it going to be
Kiwis are great or Kiwi's underachievement. Well, come on, I'm
(11:52):
going to go have a good hard look at myself
and I'll see you back here again tomorrow with another
new books.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
He'd been used.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Talking Talk For more from news Talk, said b listen
live on air or online, and keep our shows with
you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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