Barbara Dreaver is no stranger to a challenge.
She’s spent the past three decades shedding light on issues across the Pacific – getting locked up in Fiji, threatened in Papua New Guinea, faced natural disasters, and covered military coups and criminal activity.
An international correspondent and veteran of New Zealand journalism, Dreaver’s faced death threats for her tenacious pursuit of the truth.
Though she normally shines the light on others’ stories, Dreaver’s now decided to tell her own in a new memoir ‘Be Brave’.
She told Jack Tame that focusing on her own story has been really uncomfortable, but kind of cool at the same.
“I’m giving people a look behind the scenes at a time when, you know, media is not really trusted,” Dreaver explained.
“But I really want people to know just the sort of work and the effort and stuff that goes on behind the scenes – also a little bit of personal stuff as well.”
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast
from News Talks at B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
And My feature guest this morning is a friend and colleague,
Barbara Driver. One News Pacific correspondent, Barbara Driver the one
and only. She is no stranger to taking on a challenge.
She spent the last three decades shedding light on issues
across the Pacific. She's been locked up in Fiji, threatened
in Papua New Guineas, she's faced natural disasters. She's covered
military coups and criminal activity. She probably doesn't like the term,
(00:35):
but it's a veteran of New Zealand journalism. She has
faced all sorts of criticism, even death threats, for her
tenacious pursuit of the truth and now to share her
incredible experiences, Barbara Dreever has written a memoir. It's called
Be Brave, and she's with us here live and studio.
This morning killed a good morning.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
You're on a bill of Ana at a warm Pacific.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's not hey. So what's it like as someone who
has spent their life telling other people's stories to turn
the attention on themselves and tell their are you.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Would know this? It's hugely uncomfortable. Because you know, we'd
like to give a voice to others. I certainly do.
I don't do this job for me, and it's just
really uncomfortable, But it's kind of cool at the same time,
because I'm giving people a look behind the scenes at
a time when you know, media is not really trusted.
(01:30):
But I really want people to know just the sort
of the work and the effort and stuff that goes
on behind the scenes, and also a little bit of
personal stuff as well, which I'm also hugely uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But I mean, you had to make yourself vulnerable for
this book.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
This is one of the tough Yeah, I've got to say,
it's one of the toughest things I think I've ever done.
One of the things is I realized how old I
am when I started writing about when I first started
in journalism. But yeah, it was really tough navigating that.
And there's been a few tears over it as well,
because yeah, there's some parts in it that I just
(02:04):
would rather not write about. Actually it's my memoir, and
some of those things do affect how I work and
how I approach other people's.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
That's quite insightful if you like to be able to
see how your personal experience impacts the way that you
kind of go about your storytelling. But then to be
able to also appreciate what the people whose stories you
were telling are going through when you're asking them to
be vulnerable as well.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Right, I had to tell us their stories, and actually
it's such a big ask. And you know, my book
is dedicated to my late brother who took his life
Andrew and oh man, he was just the most terrific,
wonderful human being and we all loved them to pieces.
And you know, it's a sort of a grief that
you find really hard to never if it was a
(02:51):
few years ago now, but I still find it really difficult,
and I think about them every day. But then when
I approach other people, you know, for interviews, and sometimes
they are in terrible circumstances like the measles deaths, and
these parents are warning their children, and you know, I
understood where they can me from, and it gives you
a sensitivity that you're able to navigate with them through
(03:12):
that and telling their stories.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, obviously, the decision to dedicate the book to Andrew
is a really significant one, and that has been kind of,
you know, a huge trauma for you and your family.
Why was that so important?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
You know, it's been a few years and it's taken
us a long time to get through it, and you
don't even get through it really, But I can. I
can talk about it now just without crying. And I'm
a private person as well, Jack, But I just felt
if I'm writing about my book and my story then
(03:47):
and the people I talked to, then I didn't need
to talk about him and also pay tribute to him
as as a brilliant young man. And I know a
lot of other families in New Zealand go through these
sorts of trauma.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, well, I think you're not just telling people to
be brave. I think that decision it self was incredibly.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
It was. Yeah, it was a really I rewrote and
rewrote that chapter. It's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Journalism, Yes, please talk about the news. You found it
really tricky to get a job in, which seems crazy
to me now. But take us all the way back.
Why did you want to become a journalist?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Well, I did a degree in education at university and
I decided I didn't want to be a teacher. No,
And I just decided that there was other stuff I
could do that I wanted to do and writing. I
became a print journalist fast. I really wanted to make
I know it sounds sort of cliche, but I did
want to make a difference. And I think for me,
(04:49):
putting Pacific voices on mainstream and mainstream platform is really important.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
And give us a sense of how elevated or otherwise
those voices and stories were when you started telling Pacific stories,
because we didn't say a whole lot of Pacific.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
No, there wasn't and there was hardly any. And I
found out how to get a job because people didn't
rate them, and not the public. It was you know,
managers and mainstream media didn't and they didn't have to.
They just were like, no, we don't care. And in fact,
one person actually said to me, I just don't care.
We don't care about this. And I went to the
(05:26):
Cook Islands because I couldn't get a job here and
started co owned a newspaper at the time and also
word for Cook Island News, and that gave me a
great grounding. But yeah, so it wasn't very popular and
then you know, you come back and for me, a
story is a story is a story, right, and also
what happens in the Pacific affects us here in New Zealand,
(05:48):
and it's becoming more and more evident as time goes
on just how important the Pacific is to us. And also,
sorry Jack, but Mum and Dad's on the couch. They
love Pacific stories.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Also.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, and I get people up to me, coming up
to me all the time because my job isn't to
be hold the flag for Pacific people. My job is
to give a platform for Pacific voices. Some of those
voices ain't that good. I've had to chase some of
those voices down long corridors. But that's important, of course,
(06:20):
we have to be fair and balanced. And but then
you know, there are such great Pacific people and it
is such a privilege to be able to feature some
of those, you know, like children like tay Kami, who
is a hero in my and she still makes me
cry when I think about it. She had terminal cancer.
I interviewed her like a couple of weeks before she died.
(06:41):
And she flew the flag for Tonga and she was
much loved by the people. She got a medal from
the king and I was there when the Tongue and
King gave it to her. And it was such a privilege.
And it's stuff like that, you know, you can see it.
I'm excited, suddenly get excited, okay, and so stuff like that.
I do think and I'm really grateful to Television New Zealand,
(07:04):
Jake like, because they have given me that platform for many,
many many years one news we've had that, and it's
fair to say that I do put you know, as
you know, in the newsroom meals here my little feet
dogs stamping across the floor, and I think my story
should be higher up. And you know, so I do
really know how to advocate yea, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It occurs to me if we're to put on we
started the show this morning being a bit more geopolitical
than we usually are, and if we're to put our
geopolitical hats on just for a moment once again, it
really occurs to me that over the time you have
been the Pacific correspondent for TVNZ, we've gone from wanting
to elevate Pacific stories in New Zealand more than they
were for the reasons you've outlined. I mean, first of all,
(07:52):
the audience wants them, but also I mean these are
there are people, right people? Yeah, But second of all
that there's been a real shift in the last couple
of years where all of a sudden the world suddenly
looking at the Pacific and going, actually, this region really
really matter, and this big contest between these world powers,
this is where it's all going down. So what have
(08:12):
you observed there?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I'm kind of frightened for the Pacific right now. I
think that we are at the cusp of enormous change.
And even this you know, current conflict with Iran and
or in Iran around Iran Middle East is affect already
the Pacific countries are worried from a grassroots level. They're
worried about the cost of fuel and they're already securing
(08:35):
their their essentials in the Pacific right now. But yes,
it's a competition for this space, which is you know,
it's one of the biggest stations in the world right
and it's where ships come through. The China would like
ports there, and the US have already got ports there,
would like more. And so when you have that sort
of contestation and they're picking countries off, it suddenly becomes
(09:00):
a big issue. And for New Zealand, we see it
as they say, our is our backyard. But actually it's
our front yard and we better remember that because that
what happens there is going to affect us here.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It's such a good distinction. That's really important. Yeah, you
have had your share of hear raising experiences over the years.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I've been locked up a few times.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Well, yeah, it is easy to laugh about it, and
that's where my instinct goes to be like, hahaha, what's
it like to be locked up? And what's your tip
on surviving being locked up, whether it's in Fiji or
whether it's a narrow wherever else. But I also know
it can be potentially really traumatic thing to go through it.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
It really was.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, So how do you reflect on those kinds of
experiences you know?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I have. I'm very methodical in how I deal with things,
so and as I've got older, I've got more more
measured about things, and I have strategies that I put
in place to protect myself and to actually so when
I was locked up in Fiji, for example, I do
know it sounds really weird and it's embarrassing, but I
you know, when I was told that the military probably
(10:02):
come for me that night and I was in a
detention center, I would taking my clothes off and on.
And the reason I did that was because we'd heard
about some of the things that were happening to people
who were being taken up to the military. Woman women
who were being taken up to the military camps. And I'm,
you know, and I'm quite a scrappy old thing and
I and I thought, I am not going to let
(10:24):
these guys get the better of me. And so I
thought if I could practice that, I could look at
people in the eye and men in the eye and go, yeah,
that won't best me on that. But you know, it was.
It was a really tough night. And I keep running
to the window every time I heard a car and
was like looking out the bars and thinking, is that
a military car come to get me? So there are
(10:46):
things that you know, And actually, Jack, when I was
writing some of these chapters, I'd had glossed over it
in my head and moved on to we looch from
story to story to story, and so when I'm writing,
I was like, oh my gosh, and the nullery thing,
you know, I mean, you've been locked up and now
it was just like, oh my gosh. I was writing
and thinking, oh man, how did I cope with that like,
(11:07):
I did, but I did, and I'm glad that I did.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah. Yeah, It's like an incredibly kind of rich diversity
of experiences that you've had over the years. But your
time as specific correspondent kind of reminds me of Robert
Fisk and that the great Middle East and journalists, or
late great Midlasee and gurists, because I remember watching a
(11:31):
documentary with him in which he is an amazing fist
documentary in which he says, once he became the correspondent
in the Middle East, he felt like a lot of
journalists would just look at what's the next gig, what's
the next gig, what's the next gig, and try and
move from one thing together. But he was like, no,
that there The more time I spend in this role,
the more I appreciate and understand the issues that are
(11:52):
at play. The more I developed my contact base, the
more value I can give to my readers or followers.
And I feel like, that's one of the amazing things
you've done, is you have just poured yourself into this
role over such a long time and you just get
better as a result. And there's honestly, there is nothing,
There's no there's nothing that there's no alternative for just
(12:15):
time and experience.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, that's right. And we have to hold leaders and
people in power to account. We do, because if we don't,
who does. And and I just think that's super important.
And there's no there's no one who's off my menu.
So and yeah, so I do think that's really important
as well.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
There's no other job you aspired to a news necessarily.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Not a news No. I've always wanted to be. I've
always wanted to be the perfect correspondent. And I'm the
perfect correspondent and I'm grateful for it.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And the funny thing is that, I mean, not only
are you a Pacific correspondent to your New Zealand audience,
but you are like the kind of you are, the
kind of queen of the Pacific traveling around, right, And
I mean the story that the book has all these
amazing photos and experiences with colleagues and that kind of thing.
But I walk around sometimes with John Campbell and I'm,
oh my god, it's like walking around with you know,
(13:09):
like with Oprah or something like he's just contantly stopping
the street. But I feel like that's pales in comparison.
To your experience in the Pacific.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Well, I do come back looking very fat and tanned
because I keep people keep voisting food on me. And yeah,
and so people think I've actually been around holiday and
actually I have worked my guts out. I worked like
fifteen to eighteen hour days. But I will come back.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, But what does it mean to you to see
that kind of response from people across the Pacific and
a range of Pacific.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Company Look, and it means a lot. And it's a privilege.
And it's the fact that one news gets played and
I don't know twenty three different on twenty three plus
different broadcasters across the Pacific, and it's important. It's important
that they see Pacific voices elevated and voices that matter
(13:58):
and that count and that you know, are important. And
so yeah, it means a lot to me. But also
seeing young people and you know, trained a lot of
young journalists across specific as well. Yeah, and so to
see that coming up behind me just makes me feel
really happy.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, I'm so pleased. Well, look, congratulations, I'll be brave.
I think we can join together. And urging our audience
to go and buy by by by three copies to
yourself every special occasion. But thank you so much and
congratulations and thank you for being brave and telling your
story is Yeah, we really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
That is Barbara Triever. She is of course the one
news correspondent for the one New Specific Correspondent and her
new book is Be Brave. The details will be up
on the News Talks. He'd be website for.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
More from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame. Listen live to
News Talks he'd be from nine am Saturday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast
from News Talks at B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
And My feature guest this morning is a friend and colleague,
Barbara Driver. One News Pacific correspondent, Barbara Driver the one
and only. She is no stranger to taking on a challenge.
She spent the last three decades shedding light on issues
across the Pacific. She's been locked up in Fiji, threatened
in Papua New Guineas, she's faced natural disasters. She's covered
military coups and criminal activity. She probably doesn't like the term,
(00:35):
but it's a veteran of New Zealand journalism. She has
faced all sorts of criticism, even death threats, for her
tenacious pursuit of the truth and now to share her
incredible experiences, Barbara Dreever has written a memoir. It's called
Be Brave, and she's with us here live and studio.
This morning killed a good morning.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
You're on a bill of Ana at a warm Pacific.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's not hey. So what's it like as someone who
has spent their life telling other people's stories to turn
the attention on themselves and tell their are you.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Would know this? It's hugely uncomfortable. Because you know, we'd
like to give a voice to others. I certainly do.
I don't do this job for me, and it's just
really uncomfortable, But it's kind of cool at the same time,
because I'm giving people a look behind the scenes at
a time when you know, media is not really trusted.
(01:30):
But I really want people to know just the sort
of the work and the effort and stuff that goes
on behind the scenes, and also a little bit of
personal stuff as well, which I'm also hugely uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But I mean, you had to make yourself vulnerable for
this book.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
This is one of the tough Yeah, I've got to say,
it's one of the toughest things I think I've ever done.
One of the things is I realized how old I
am when I started writing about when I first started
in journalism. But yeah, it was really tough navigating that.
And there's been a few tears over it as well,
because yeah, there's some parts in it that I just
(02:04):
would rather not write about. Actually it's my memoir, and
some of those things do affect how I work and
how I approach other people's.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
That's quite insightful if you like to be able to
see how your personal experience impacts the way that you
kind of go about your storytelling. But then to be
able to also appreciate what the people whose stories you
were telling are going through when you're asking them to
be vulnerable as well.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Right, I had to tell us their stories, and actually
it's such a big ask. And you know, my book
is dedicated to my late brother who took his life
Andrew and oh man, he was just the most terrific,
wonderful human being and we all loved them to pieces.
And you know, it's a sort of a grief that
you find really hard to never if it was a
(02:51):
few years ago now, but I still find it really difficult,
and I think about them every day. But then when
I approach other people, you know, for interviews, and sometimes
they are in terrible circumstances like the measles deaths, and
these parents are warning their children, and you know, I
understood where they can me from, and it gives you
a sensitivity that you're able to navigate with them through
(03:12):
that and telling their stories.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, obviously, the decision to dedicate the book to Andrew
is a really significant one, and that has been kind of,
you know, a huge trauma for you and your family.
Why was that so important?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
You know, it's been a few years and it's taken
us a long time to get through it, and you
don't even get through it really, But I can. I
can talk about it now just without crying. And I'm
a private person as well, Jack, But I just felt
if I'm writing about my book and my story then
(03:47):
and the people I talked to, then I didn't need
to talk about him and also pay tribute to him
as as a brilliant young man. And I know a
lot of other families in New Zealand go through these
sorts of trauma.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, well, I think you're not just telling people to
be brave. I think that decision it self was incredibly.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
It was. Yeah, it was a really I rewrote and
rewrote that chapter. It's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Journalism, Yes, please talk about the news. You found it
really tricky to get a job in, which seems crazy
to me now. But take us all the way back.
Why did you want to become a journalist?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Well, I did a degree in education at university and
I decided I didn't want to be a teacher. No,
And I just decided that there was other stuff I
could do that I wanted to do and writing. I
became a print journalist fast. I really wanted to make
I know it sounds sort of cliche, but I did
want to make a difference. And I think for me,
(04:49):
putting Pacific voices on mainstream and mainstream platform is really important.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
And give us a sense of how elevated or otherwise
those voices and stories were when you started telling Pacific stories,
because we didn't say a whole lot of Pacific.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
No, there wasn't and there was hardly any. And I
found out how to get a job because people didn't
rate them, and not the public. It was you know,
managers and mainstream media didn't and they didn't have to.
They just were like, no, we don't care. And in fact,
one person actually said to me, I just don't care.
We don't care about this. And I went to the
(05:26):
Cook Islands because I couldn't get a job here and
started co owned a newspaper at the time and also
word for Cook Island News, and that gave me a
great grounding. But yeah, so it wasn't very popular and
then you know, you come back and for me, a
story is a story is a story, right, and also
what happens in the Pacific affects us here in New Zealand,
(05:48):
and it's becoming more and more evident as time goes
on just how important the Pacific is to us. And also,
sorry Jack, but Mum and Dad's on the couch. They
love Pacific stories.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Also.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, and I get people up to me, coming up
to me all the time because my job isn't to
be hold the flag for Pacific people. My job is
to give a platform for Pacific voices. Some of those
voices ain't that good. I've had to chase some of
those voices down long corridors. But that's important, of course,
(06:20):
we have to be fair and balanced. And but then
you know, there are such great Pacific people and it
is such a privilege to be able to feature some
of those, you know, like children like tay Kami, who
is a hero in my and she still makes me
cry when I think about it. She had terminal cancer.
I interviewed her like a couple of weeks before she died.
(06:41):
And she flew the flag for Tonga and she was
much loved by the people. She got a medal from
the king and I was there when the Tongue and
King gave it to her. And it was such a privilege.
And it's stuff like that, you know, you can see it.
I'm excited, suddenly get excited, okay, and so stuff like that.
I do think and I'm really grateful to Television New Zealand,
(07:04):
Jake like, because they have given me that platform for many,
many many years one news we've had that, and it's
fair to say that I do put you know, as
you know, in the newsroom meals here my little feet
dogs stamping across the floor, and I think my story
should be higher up. And you know, so I do
really know how to advocate yea, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It occurs to me if we're to put on we
started the show this morning being a bit more geopolitical
than we usually are, and if we're to put our
geopolitical hats on just for a moment once again, it
really occurs to me that over the time you have
been the Pacific correspondent for TVNZ, we've gone from wanting
to elevate Pacific stories in New Zealand more than they
were for the reasons you've outlined. I mean, first of all,
(07:52):
the audience wants them, but also I mean these are
there are people, right people? Yeah, But second of all
that there's been a real shift in the last couple
of years where all of a sudden the world suddenly
looking at the Pacific and going, actually, this region really
really matter, and this big contest between these world powers,
this is where it's all going down. So what have
(08:12):
you observed there?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I'm kind of frightened for the Pacific right now. I
think that we are at the cusp of enormous change.
And even this you know, current conflict with Iran and
or in Iran around Iran Middle East is affect already
the Pacific countries are worried from a grassroots level. They're
worried about the cost of fuel and they're already securing
(08:35):
their their essentials in the Pacific right now. But yes,
it's a competition for this space, which is you know,
it's one of the biggest stations in the world right
and it's where ships come through. The China would like
ports there, and the US have already got ports there,
would like more. And so when you have that sort
of contestation and they're picking countries off, it suddenly becomes
(09:00):
a big issue. And for New Zealand, we see it
as they say, our is our backyard. But actually it's
our front yard and we better remember that because that
what happens there is going to affect us here.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It's such a good distinction. That's really important. Yeah, you
have had your share of hear raising experiences over the years.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I've been locked up a few times.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Well, yeah, it is easy to laugh about it, and
that's where my instinct goes to be like, hahaha, what's
it like to be locked up? And what's your tip
on surviving being locked up, whether it's in Fiji or
whether it's a narrow wherever else. But I also know
it can be potentially really traumatic thing to go through it.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
It really was.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, So how do you reflect on those kinds of
experiences you know?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I have. I'm very methodical in how I deal with things,
so and as I've got older, I've got more more
measured about things, and I have strategies that I put
in place to protect myself and to actually so when
I was locked up in Fiji, for example, I do
know it sounds really weird and it's embarrassing, but I
you know, when I was told that the military probably
(10:02):
come for me that night and I was in a
detention center, I would taking my clothes off and on.
And the reason I did that was because we'd heard
about some of the things that were happening to people
who were being taken up to the military. Woman women
who were being taken up to the military camps. And I'm,
you know, and I'm quite a scrappy old thing and
I and I thought, I am not going to let
(10:24):
these guys get the better of me. And so I
thought if I could practice that, I could look at
people in the eye and men in the eye and go, yeah,
that won't best me on that. But you know, it was.
It was a really tough night. And I keep running
to the window every time I heard a car and
was like looking out the bars and thinking, is that
a military car come to get me? So there are
(10:46):
things that you know, And actually, Jack, when I was
writing some of these chapters, I'd had glossed over it
in my head and moved on to we looch from
story to story to story, and so when I'm writing,
I was like, oh my gosh, and the nullery thing,
you know, I mean, you've been locked up and now
it was just like, oh my gosh. I was writing
and thinking, oh man, how did I cope with that like,
(11:07):
I did, but I did, and I'm glad that I did.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah. Yeah, It's like an incredibly kind of rich diversity
of experiences that you've had over the years. But your
time as specific correspondent kind of reminds me of Robert
Fisk and that the great Middle East and journalists, or
late great Midlasee and gurists, because I remember watching a
(11:31):
documentary with him in which he is an amazing fist
documentary in which he says, once he became the correspondent
in the Middle East, he felt like a lot of
journalists would just look at what's the next gig, what's
the next gig, what's the next gig, and try and
move from one thing together. But he was like, no,
that there The more time I spend in this role,
the more I appreciate and understand the issues that are
(11:52):
at play. The more I developed my contact base, the
more value I can give to my readers or followers.
And I feel like, that's one of the amazing things
you've done, is you have just poured yourself into this
role over such a long time and you just get
better as a result. And there's honestly, there is nothing,
There's no there's nothing that there's no alternative for just
(12:15):
time and experience.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, that's right. And we have to hold leaders and
people in power to account. We do, because if we don't,
who does. And and I just think that's super important.
And there's no there's no one who's off my menu.
So and yeah, so I do think that's really important
as well.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
There's no other job you aspired to a news necessarily.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Not a news No. I've always wanted to be. I've
always wanted to be the perfect correspondent. And I'm the
perfect correspondent and I'm grateful for it.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And the funny thing is that, I mean, not only
are you a Pacific correspondent to your New Zealand audience,
but you are like the kind of you are, the
kind of queen of the Pacific traveling around, right, And
I mean the story that the book has all these
amazing photos and experiences with colleagues and that kind of thing.
But I walk around sometimes with John Campbell and I'm,
oh my god, it's like walking around with you know,
(13:09):
like with Oprah or something like he's just contantly stopping
the street. But I feel like that's pales in comparison.
To your experience in the Pacific.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Well, I do come back looking very fat and tanned
because I keep people keep voisting food on me. And yeah,
and so people think I've actually been around holiday and
actually I have worked my guts out. I worked like
fifteen to eighteen hour days. But I will come back.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, But what does it mean to you to see
that kind of response from people across the Pacific and
a range of Pacific.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Company Look, and it means a lot. And it's a privilege.
And it's the fact that one news gets played and
I don't know twenty three different on twenty three plus
different broadcasters across the Pacific, and it's important. It's important
that they see Pacific voices elevated and voices that matter
(13:58):
and that count and that you know, are important. And
so yeah, it means a lot to me. But also
seeing young people and you know, trained a lot of
young journalists across specific as well. Yeah, and so to
see that coming up behind me just makes me feel
really happy.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, I'm so pleased. Well, look, congratulations, I'll be brave.
I think we can join together. And urging our audience
to go and buy by by by three copies to
yourself every special occasion. But thank you so much and
congratulations and thank you for being brave and telling your
story is Yeah, we really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
That is Barbara Triever. She is of course the one
news correspondent for the one New Specific Correspondent and her
new book is Be Brave. The details will be up
on the News Talks. He'd be website for.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
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