Full Show Podcast: 05 July 2025

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Yellow to New Zealand. Good morning and welcome to news
talks be on. Jack Tamee with you through to midday today.
Now is the winter of our discontent made glorious summer
by this sun of York. If you like me just
a bit of a culture vulture, you will of course
immediately recognize the unique words of the Bard himself, and

(01:08):
we are leaning into the culture vulture vibe a little
bit on News Talks EDB this morning. We're talking Shakespeare,
of all things on news Talks EDB. Although to be
fear and not Shakespeare as you know him. We're thinking
a reimagining of Shakespeare, a nineteen sixties version of Romeo
and Juliet. We're going to be speaking with the creators
and stars after ten o'clock this morning. Before ten. If

(01:31):
the Bard and Shakespeare himself is enough to get your
cultural juices flowing, maybe Jurassic World Rebirth will be the
fix you need. Our film reviewers being to say it,
so she's gonna give us her thoughts on that. Plus
cannot believe this result overnight. Just in a remarkable result
of first thing this morning, the New Zealand men's under
nineteen basketball team are heading to the semi finals of

(01:54):
the World Championships after comfortably defeating Switzerland this morning. This
really is an incredible achievement. So we'll get our sporto
to put that in context context very shortly. Right now,
it is eight minutes past nine, Jack team. Let's be honest,
so far as All Blacks tests go, this is it's

(02:15):
like a little bit of a funny one, right if
you were just weighing the odds on paper, I suppose
there is good reason why you might favor Leblin. I
hadn't actually realized it until this week. But we're coming
off a three game losing streak against the French, and
you remember last year's first All Blacks test and Dunedin

(02:36):
was a nail biting one point victory. The All Blacks
didn't scream cohesion for their first test under Razor. Add
to that the fact I still don't think we have
an emphatic answer for who should start at ten and
two bo Ai. Surely one of the world's best locks
is starting as blindside flanker tonight. And yet, and yet

(03:01):
the French are playing eight debutantes and have left a
slab of their elite stars back home. If it were
any other Test nation, I think New Zealand Rugby would
have the right to kick up a bit of a fuss,
a bit of a stink about the whole situation. But
given the French, and given the French history of spirited
unpredictability on the rugby football pitch, it probably makes sense

(03:21):
to secure a dominant victory before moaning about the standard
of the opposition. Don't you think you can just imagine it,
can't you? Like, no sooner would we lodge a formal
complaint than a French rugby team with a prop at
first five eight, or a winger throwing the line outs,
would intercept an errant pass in the eighty fourth minute,

(03:42):
or you know, accidentally charged down the match winning clearance
kick with their replacement fullbacks face and a freak moment
of sporting brilliance to pip the All Blacks for yet
another famous victory. An all backs test is an all
backs test in the first of the season always gets
me fizzing. But truthfully, I realized that I had crossed

(04:06):
a curious little rubicon of sorts this week when I
noted in myself an even greater sense of excitement about
a completely different gallic endeavor which happens to coincide with
tonight's test. The Tour de France kicks off tonight, and
I don't know what it is, but over the last
few years it has become appointment viewing for me on

(04:29):
the international sporting calendar. I think it's the kind of
the blend, like the romance and the agony of it all.
The romance and the agony are just so alluring that
you know, the way that writers slowly decay before your
eyes over the three weeks and over more than three

(04:49):
thousand kilometers, The way that teams have to work to
secure individual victories, the spectators lining the road, running with
the leaders, often getting far closer than would ever be
permitted in any other sport, and they're just the psychology
of it. I mean it is imagine cycling for a
couple of hundred kilometers in intense heat or over a

(05:11):
mountain range, only to get back to your bed at
the end of the day and know you have to
do it all again the next day, and the next
day and the day after that. I honestly thought after
the Lance Armstrong saga that I was done with the
Tour de France. But I don't know. Maybe it was
the Netflix treatment or simply the incredible, generation defining rivalry

(05:35):
of the world's two best riders, Pogochar and vinger Guard.
But I am very much back in the saddle, so
that's my pick. I reckon the All Blacks are well
placed to blast the French in Dunedin tonight. But if
you haven't watched it in a while and you want
guaranteed sporting drama, hang around just a few more hours
tonight for stage one of the tour. You will not

(05:57):
be disappointed. Team ninety two. Ninety two is our text number.
If you want to send me a message this morning,
you can email me as well. Of course. Jacket News
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perfect accompaniment for the game tonight. If you're looking for
a little sweet treat, maybe to get you through a
few nervous minutes when the All Blacks in the French
kick off in Dunedin. This evening. We have a delicious

(06:19):
chocolate moose recipe this year before ten o'clock, so our
cook will be in with that very shortly. Kevin melms
here next though, to kick off our Saturday Morning together,
I'm Jack Tae. It's thirteen minutes past nine, and this
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your Saturday Morning with Jack Tame through the midday today,
we're notching up a bit of a first this morning
on News Talks. He'd be over the years. On Saturday
Mornings Together, we have broadcasts from all sorts of remarkable places.
We're broadcast from casinos in Las Vegas. We're broadcast from Wales,

(07:03):
from Spain, from all around the world. But I think
today's at first. We are broadcasting live this morning from
Costa Rica, of all places. Here's the thing, right, I
had a little bit of paternity leave and we spent
the vast majority of it visiting my in laws and
taking the new baby over so that grandparents and great
grandparents could meet the wee chunky thing. But after that

(07:25):
I decided that I was just an absolute sucker for punishment,
and I thought, what more relaxing option could there be
than driving through Latin America with a four month old baby.
So I'm trying that at the moment. It has actually
been a real delight so far, an absolute adventure. We're
on the Pacific coast at the moment, so you know,
you sort of feel like you're somewhat at home. You

(07:46):
feel that you recognize the ocean, you recognize some of
the landscapes, or though things are a little bit warmer
in this part of the world of course. Anyway, I'm
going to tell you a bit more about that very shortly,
including the four month old's first misadventure in the ocean,
which was all my fault according to my wife. So
I'll share that story with you very shortly. But right
now it's seventeen past nine and time to catch up
with Kevin Miln this morning morning, Kevin.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Jack, quite extraordinary really, that not only are you in
Costa Rica, but you didn't mention it at the top
of the show. It was just something you slid in
later on, which I find is incredible. Well, it's just
travering with for four months old.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yes, it's funny.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
You know, I.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Had, you know, several reservations about traveling with a four
month old through Latin America, but I really wanted to
introduce the family to Latin America, to give my spaniship
bit of a dust off and see how we would
go together. And of course one of the reservations I
had was that it's currently the rainy season here. But
as I reminded my wife this morning, actually it wouldn't
have mattered if we hadn't tacked this leg of of

(08:51):
the you know, this league onto our international journey, because
actually it's the rainy season everywhere apparently at the moment,
I don't think we'd be escaping it. So yeah, it's
a it's a real adventure. And actually, Kevin, it's interesting
we were passing. I was passing through a part of
the world yesterday that is one of the world's four
only certified blue zones. You know what these are? No,

(09:13):
they these are These are the four places around the
world that are certified. I don't know how you get
certified for this kind of thing as having an abnormally
high number of people who live to be one hundred,
so they have disproportionately large numbers of centurions. I think
the south of Italy has one, Japan has one as well,

(09:34):
and there might even be a part of the United States,
part of California, in which there is a particular religious
sect who live apparently a pretty healthy life and therefore
have longer life expectancies. But Nicoya and Costa Rica is
the fourth. So there you go. I went through. It
was a it was a fleeting visit through through one
of the longest lived parts of the world yesterday.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
But Leah, extraordinary. You're very lucky, Jack.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, yeah, very lucky.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
Though.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Well the foods, yeah, the foods, it's it's yeah, it's right.
A lot of rice and beans and once you've had
your ice and beans, you can fill up on beans
and rice. So that's good to know. But no, no, no,
we're very lucky to be driving in this part of
the world. But anyway, Kevin, you've been focusing listeners, focusing
on encouraging listeners this week to spend a little bit
more time outside in the nick of the woods.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Yeah, I know it's raining up and orkhand, but it's
actually beautiful down here. And I think the weather forecast
is good for UKRAM. But there's still time to take
part in the twenty twenty five Garden Birds Survey. It
finishes tomorrow and night. What do you have to do
is set aside an hour to sit around your garden
and take an note of the birds you see. You

(10:45):
can send in your bird count results online directly when
you're selling garden Bird survey.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
Go online for a lot.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
There are lots to make the bird count easy for you.
How do I identify some of them? For example? But
you'll identify most of them yourself anyway. It ends tomorrow
night on Mataiki weekend, and I thought we'd take part
in the annual whale and dolphin count. Our little beach
cottage here looks out to Cabody Island over waters where

(11:15):
the humpback whales regularly passed by. Counting whales might sound
more exciting than counting birds. In the five years we've
been living here, we've not yet seen a single whale,
except in other people's videos. We've seen a phenomenally large
school of dolphins about one hundred in pods of about twenty,

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and seals regularly drift past on their backs with flipper
in the air as though they're calling to be rescued.
The nearest five come to singer whale was I heard
whales song one summer night when I had the window
open to the sea. I didn't know that you could
hear wales song from on shore, and my family teased
about Teasney about this for years that have subsequently read

(12:00):
that in the early days of European settlement, before whaling
nearly wiped out the whales, locals here regularly heard the
quite distinct song of the Unbeck whales echoing around the
Kabbitty Hills.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
So I'm certain.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
I heard the umpback whales song through in the bedroom window.
But this weekend, get involved in the garden bird survey.
Great with the kids, and at least you'll know you'll
see that you'll see a few.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
Two.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Right, Yeah, it's so much fun to and it's one
of those classic things. Right if you spend just a
little bit of time being purposeful outside and counting them,
you can be surprised by how many actually passed through. Well,
you know what, I said that the best place. I'm
not suggesting that anyone's going to come across the South
Island Corcack or anything like that, But isn't the best
place to discover a new species your own backyard, you know?

(12:50):
Like often actually just being really purposeful and deliberate and
observing these things can surprise you in terms of the
amount of life that's in your immediate surroundings. But yeah,
I didn't know. I didn't know that about the whales.
You so you can how do you count them from? Sure?

Speaker 7 (13:07):
Can?

Speaker 2 (13:07):
You?

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Can?

Speaker 2 (13:08):
You be very confident them on the surface? Yeah, if
you see that, you see see the water breaking, and
you can you can quite comfortably or safely, that's right.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
But of course, if you've got a slightly choppy c,
very difficult.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, oh yeah, true, which they wouldn't. You never have
a choppy c in that part of the world, Kevin,
I can't imagine. It's always like a millpond out there, one.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Or two, wouldn't it, because they do pour through he
and but no, never seen one. Heaven knows, I don't
know why.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Well, I think I think that the bird counts a
great idea this weekend, though, Kevin, and there I'll do
my last what I hope is my last brag of
the morning. I saw a new species that I hadn't
seen for the first time yesterday. I saw a too cane.
Isn't that like just tell you what? It's an amazing thing. Yeah,
you know, with a giant, colorful beak. Yeah, it looks

(14:02):
like a Yeah, it looks like a like a like
a cartoon more than an animal, you.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Know, yeahtonishing birds.

Speaker 6 (14:09):
Yes, yes, fantastic.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
There you go, and not everyone's not everyone's pleased with
my efforts. My dad has sent me two techs. He
sent one to the family chat as well to say Jack.
Centenarians are people who live to one hundred centurions are
Roman soldiers. I suppose they're also cricketers, aren't they?

Speaker 5 (14:26):
You know?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Came Williams and at Lord's Thanks Dad. Twenty three minutes
past nine our sport. I was the next on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team
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Speaker 2 (14:42):
Brian has sent me an email this morning said Jack
couldn't agree more with regards to the tour of France.
I was a bit cynical during the lance Armstrong era,
But I feel like the race has made a big
effort to clean up on the doping front, and honestly,
I just suspend reality once the race begins. A couple
of years ago, my wife and I saved up for
the trip of a lifetime and plotted the tour on
our own bikes. Fair to say, you get a different

(15:04):
appreciation of the level of a criticism and endurance required
when you are struggling up the VONN two yourself. I
can only imagine, Rian, But thank you very much for
that jacket newsbook ZBO code on Z is the email address.
If you want to send me a note this morning,
you can email me and send me a text if
you prefer. Ninety two. Ninety two is the text number,
of course. Now, usually for the first All Blacks test

(15:26):
of the season would be going straight in with our
sporto Andrew Savill for his pick. But you know what, Sam,
I reckon, we need to pause that for a moment
this morning. An incredible result for the under nineteen New
Zealom men's basketball team this morning, securing a spot in
the semi finals of the World Champs. I mean, given
basketball's prominence and popularity globally at the moment. This is

(15:47):
a hell of an achievement.

Speaker 6 (15:49):
It is, Jack, Yeah, good morning. I hope you're doing
well in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, it's an amazing achievement. Now,
this team as the under seventeen so ide was it
last year of the year before they'd have very well
in making the semi finals of the Under seventeen World Cup,
So there was a lot of imus there that they
would do well and I hope that they would do
well in the Junior World Cup, which is under nineteenth

(16:11):
and they've done just that. The problem for them, or
the big challenge for them tomorrow morning, is they face
the might of the US of A, which, as we know,
is an outstanding basketball country. But what these young men
have shown, Jack, is that the numbers in basketball here,

(16:32):
which have been going through the roof for some time,
are finally starting to come through the other end, if
you like, whether it's scholarships to American universities, or whether
it's performing as a national team in the junior levels,
and therefore one day you'd imagine the senior level, it's
starting to those numbers and that amount of talent and

(16:53):
good coaching is starting to pay dividends.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, yeah, it's just so good to say. I mean,
that's a pretty tall order expecting a result when they
show up against the Americans. It this far, like I say,
given basketball's kind of growth and prominence at the moment,
really is it's right?

Speaker 6 (17:11):
I mean it's I mean football, football is number one,
but basketball is as global as well. Most of these
kids have scholarships to American universities, and if the ones
that don't, there'll be the scouts all over the place
watching this.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Championship't they won't not have those for long?

Speaker 6 (17:30):
I don't Yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Given right, Let's turn our attention to Dunedin and a
bit of a funny one for the first test of
the of the year. Very interesting calls with regards to
bav By Scott Robinson. But I don't know how How
are you feeling about this French line up? Eight debitantes?

Speaker 6 (17:49):
Yeah, not entirely excited by the French. I'm excited by
this All Blacks team though. I had the chance jack
actually to watch the French train during the week in Auckland,
and unlike most other pro rugby teams, we were actually
allowed in to watch the whole session and film most
of it, which is a luxury these days. And I'd

(18:10):
have to say, not being too harsh on them, but
the French didn't look like they're up to too much.
They looked some of the players. Some of the players
looked a little bit out of their depth. Some of
them looked a bit jaded after what is a long,
long European season.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
However that sure, you're sure you won't but this isn't
roper dope as it's sad for me stranger a bit loud.
They look pretty loudy.

Speaker 6 (18:37):
I actually, I actually felt really sorry for the five
guys that had just landed and got a shuffle from
Auckland the airport to King's College, the five guys who
played in the in the French final on the Saturday
night and then pretty much celebrated and then got on
a plane to en Z. One guy in particular I
spoke to Obviously he was fluent in English, he really

(18:58):
didn't know where he was. So those guys might come
into the frame for the second and thirties. But yeah,
I look, if this all black team can't put thirty
or forty at least on this French be if not seaside.
Then you have to start asking questions. Yes, it's the
All Blacks, first yest of the year and they're usually
rusty or lacking combos, but the amount of talent and

(19:22):
players being picked in certain positions for the All Blacks,
you'd expect them to beat the French and beat them well.
I'm really looking forward to seeing Fabian Holland, this young
locke from Holland play at this level. He's a huge
man jack and he's and he's not only tall, but
he has big size, is very aggressive player, so looking

(19:43):
forward to seeing him tupov on the side of the scrum.
Will it work, won't it work? He's an athletic player,
He's had an outstanding year for the Chiefs, so he
should do okay tonight and then out on the backs.
Rico Yuanni on the left wing where it all started
for him, and Billy Proctor at center. So there's a
lot to look out for in this All Black team
and a lot too swift through. I suppose as the

(20:08):
series moves on, because there's no doubt the series Scott
Robertson will be looking to try a few different combos
with a view too. Obviously, South Africa in September.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
So can I ask a really dumb question here? It
seems to me it's interesting that we're seeing Valu on
the side of the scum tonight and that it's Scott
Robertson who is doing the experimenting. Under the current state
of New Zealand rugby and the relationship between the Super
Rugby coaches and the All Backs coach, will Scott Robinson

(20:39):
have any sway during the Super Rugby season to like
lean on Clayton McMillan or the Chiefs and say, hey,
could you give this guy. He's just a couple of
runs at six. I just want to see how he
goes because once upon a time that would I think
that relationship would have allowed for that, and I just
wonder if that kind of exists now.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
I think, apart from the odd visit, I think the
All Blacks are pretty much hands off of Super teams.
They may suggest from here here and there that a
week off or doesn't have a big training workload for
a week or two, but no, I don't. I don't
think so.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
I know South Africa, I'm sure we wouldn't be seeing
an experiment of sorts, right, But it is It just
seems curious to me that this is the format in
which the All Blacks are experimenting with a pretty significant
positional change.

Speaker 6 (21:30):
I think also with the injuries to Wallace, a Titi
and Luke Jacobson, that's thrown into the mix. But they've
got Summer Penny Fee now on the squad, and I
thought he may well have started at six, with Ardi
at seven and Leo williet eight. But I can sort
of understand what they're looking at doing. They're looking at
versatility and these days for a lot of players jack

(21:52):
the lock and blindside or number eight. It's almost a
hybrid position in this modern game of rugby where players
are more ball handlers. Yes you've got to take your
line out throws, Yes you've got to rummage, but there's
also quite an emphasis on ball carrying as well. So
a little bit surprising, but not entirely.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, you're right, that's a fair call. I think maybe
the distinction between the kind of skill sets and those
players isn't what it once was, thank you.

Speaker 6 (22:21):
Hasn't starting starting a lock at six for the All
Blacks in the recent past hasn't really worked. Yes, later
in a game when a lock has to go to six,
but anyway, we'll see. There's no doubt about it. The
Tupov is an international standard lock and forward. He's very athletic,
very skillful, so we'll see what happens tonight.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Can't wait. All backs France of course, will be called
live on New storok ZB tonight, the build up from
six o'clock kickoff just after seven o'clock and Jason pine
is going to have Weekend Sport live from Emerson's Brewery
this afternoon. There's a tough gig. Something tells me the
bosses didn't have to push too hard. They didn't have
to promise Piney extra per dms for this weekend show.

(23:03):
He'll be there this afternoon, counting down to kickoff right now,
twenty six minutes to ten. You were jacktame On News Talks, EDB.

Speaker 7 (23:13):
You can't be the one that savement.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Saturday morning with Jack tame On News Talks, HEB. But honestly,
with that, it could be Saturday night at any one
of my about eight student flats. It's wonderful by Oasis,
an absolute classic, of course, and Oasis have kicked off
their hotly anticipated reunion tour in Cardiff this morning, so
Liam and Nol have been back on stage together for

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the first time since two thousand and nine. Reports from
this show suggest that they managed to get through their
first show that there weren't fisticuffs on stage, which is
good compared to some of their previous shows. When tickets
first went on sale in the UK, there were fourteen
million people and the digital thank you for just one
and a half million tickets to Oasis. The tour has

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forty one dates in total and the Gallagher brothers are
going to be in Australia come November. Hey, thank you
for your messages this morning on the Texas Morning Jack.
Amazing that you are enjoying cost at Eco. What are
the animals have you seen? Actually, so as well as
the two can that I was mentioning, we have had
a lot of luck. I dragged the family into the

(24:30):
middle of the country so that we could go on
a sloth watching tour, which was an experience, and we
saw a half dozen or so sloths, which would seem
pretty pretty good. The thing about sloss though, that the
tour guides usually know where they are because being sloths,
they don't exactly move around a whole lot. So that
was good. We managed to enjoy what is apparently a

(24:52):
rear site, which was a sloth coming down tree, so
that was good. We've seen an anteacha in the wild,
lots of iguanas, monkeys, those kind of things, two cans,
all sorts of parrots. It's, you know, when it comes
to biodiversity. I think one of the world's absolute hot spots.
So very lucky to be here. I'll get to more

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of your feedback very shortly right now that it's trying
to get your film picks for this week. Francesca Rudkin,
our movie reviewer, is here more dinner.

Speaker 8 (25:20):
I'm very jealous that you've got to see a sloth,
although I am wondering how much sort of time do
you give to watching slots.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
So we did a two hour tour and it was
I'll be honest with you, it was not what I
was described as a relaxing endeavor. Only because no, no,
only because I took the four month old baby in
the front pack and at the very start of the tour,
our tour guide said to us in sort of grave
and serious tones, He's like, the worst thing you can

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do is make a lot of noise. Whatever you guys do,
for the next two hours. Don't make any noise. And
so the whole time I was walking through the jungle
beinging like, please don't cry now, please don't cry now,
and there's fear. He did an amazing job. So I
mean one on the front of me. Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 8 (26:10):
It's it's a it's a learning journey.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
It is.

Speaker 8 (26:13):
That is. It was very wonderful.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Okay, So we've got two films this morning. Let's begin
with one showing in cinemas at the moment, and really
one you probably want to see in the cinema rather
than at home. This is Jurassic World rebirth.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Doctor Henry Wilmis. This is Zora Bennett, our mission specialist.

Speaker 9 (26:32):
Sorry, what mission We've got towards Barbados avoid government patrol.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
But there aren't that many anymore. No one's dumb enough
to go where we're gone.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Scarlet Johansson starring as Zora Bennett in the latest Jurassic
World offering.

Speaker 8 (26:55):
Number seven in the Jurassic Pack franchise. It's set five
years after Jurassic World Dominion. It follows a small team
on a top secret mission to a Caribbean island that
hows to research facility for in gen By this stage,
you know, people are pretty over the dinosaurs. We've all

(27:18):
moved on. They only can live now in a very
specific area due to climate requirements, and that is pretty
much in this sort of area on the equator, and
humans aren't allowed to go there. So everyone's gone, Okay,
you know, they exist, but stay away, and especially stay
away from this island. Because they focused on mutating dinosaurs.

(27:42):
One of the themes here in this film is that, you know,
if you want to genetically modifying nature, you'd better be
prepared for the consequences. I will watch Scarlette to Hanson
and Anything. I will also watch her cost herschelar Ari
in Anything. They're also joined by Jonathan Bailey, who's fabulous.
He was in Bridgeton. He's goat as well, so we've

(28:03):
got a really good cast together.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
They're sort of.

Speaker 8 (28:05):
Calling it a semi reboot Jack by introducing this kind
of new cast of characters, and this is a new
island that we visit. Yet it does feel like it's
a bit of a tribute to the original film, and
I'm very, very fond of the original film. It's probably
the one I remember the best. There is a reference
to Alan Grant played by Sam Neil. There's similar scenes

(28:26):
like there's a beautiful there's a scene in a valley
filled with dinosaurs where everybody has that moment of awe
when they see them in nature. Unusual camera angles, though
it didn't quite emotionally hit that. They also use the
same tactics of you know, you'll have a character facing
the camera, dinosaurs creeping up behind them, something chaotic happens,

(28:48):
we watch their facial expressions and then they tera, but
they are all these sort of little gimmicks throughout that
we've seen before with these films. And then of course
they're trying to outwit and survive the man eating dinosaurs.
So for a sort of a semi reboot in a way,
out to me that it was really sort of HARKing
back to the original Jurassic Pack and what we loved

(29:11):
about it. The story is very simple. A team illegally
goes to an island to get three things they need
DNA from a dinosaur on land and water and in
the air, and then leave again. So really simple. Not
a huge amount here. I don't think they made the
most of the mutated dinosaurs. It was kind of like
all therese are t rex that looks like predator, but
you know, that didn't really go anywhere. And along the

(29:33):
way they pick up a family that's shipwrecked, who do
not want to be on this island, who also have
to try and survive, but they didn't really look they
added a family dynamic to the film, but I don't
know why they were there, Like, they didn't really add
a huge amount to the story. Either. Got to see
it on the big screen, good fun holiday entertainment. I'll
always go and see Jurassic Pack film. I'm quite fond
of this franchise. I was, but I'm easily scared, so

(29:57):
I was on the edge of my seat a bit. Yeah,
yeah it's good, not ok.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah that's fair cool, good, not great. But still if
you you know, we all like seeing a person get
eaten by a dinosaur once in a while, so that
sounds like a bit of fun. Jurassic World Rebirth is
showing in cinemas. Next up, let's have listened to the
great Lilian Hall. I lived my entire life.

Speaker 8 (30:18):
In a place that creates illusions.

Speaker 10 (30:22):
Lillian fast, fast, Let's find our places.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Formation looks beautiful, nas and type cue Lillian.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Because I'm afraid of the.

Speaker 11 (30:32):
Afraid of I'm so sorry, I'll get it great.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Okay everyone, Okay, this is well for something completely different,
tell us about the great Lilian Hall.

Speaker 8 (30:46):
So. This is a film written by the niece of
a stage actress, although it's not actually based on her aunt,
but she's kind of taken aspects of her life and
turned it into this original story of a Broadway actress,
a legend who gets diagnosed with demitra waa who seem
to perform Chekhov's The Cherry Orchard. This is kind of
a film about acceptance. You know, Lillian has had symptoms

(31:09):
for two years of dementia, but finally gets the point
where she's really struggling to remember her lines and she
realizes that her life's about to change. And it's that
moment of acceptance of how do you let go of
the film that's most important to you in your life,
that you've dedicated your life to and in this case,
it's the theater, and how do you accept what's going
to happen to you and share it with your family
and things. Jessica Lang stars and this She is absolutely fabulous.

(31:30):
Apparently Meryl Street was originally supposed to play this role.
But I think that Jessica Lang brings a vanity and
I mean that in a complimentary way to the role
and nails it and it's worth seeing for her. T S.
Brosnan also stars. Kathy Bates also stars. They are fabulous.
This was originally an HBO film in the US, but
I'm really pleased to see that cinemas are playing it

(31:51):
here and Jessica Lang is worth checking out.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Great, Okay, cool, that's the great. Lillian Hall Frantisca's first
film is Jurassic World Rebirth. Both are showing in cinemas
at the moment, and both will, of course Beyond the
News Talks, he'd be website and a couple of minutes,
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(33:05):
time segment after in o'clock this morning. Right now, though,
it's time to catch up with our cook, Nikki Wix,
who's in this morning.

Speaker 12 (33:10):
Kilder, God, Kilder, how are you.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
I'm very well, thank you. I've been eating a lot
of cassados over the last few days, which are the
well they're I mean they're not. It's kind of a
very simple Costa Rican meal, rice beans, plantains, salad, tortilla,
bit of meat. That's basically it's good. It's good, but
it's like honest food very simple food.

Speaker 12 (33:30):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it's interesting, isn't I.

Speaker 13 (33:34):
Who did you say before that you have rice and
beans and when you're sick of those, you have beans
and rice.

Speaker 12 (33:39):
And it is true, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (33:40):
And you've got all your you know, you've got all
your proteins and your amino acids in there. But it
does really come from history in terms of people not
being able to afford a lot of food, and those of.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Course tell you what they well, oh yeah, no, there's
there's a lot of cacow and there is also there
are a lot of mangoes. I've been making up being
a lot of mangoes, a lot of passion through a
lot of melons. So yeah, I haven't don't don't feel it,
don't violent for me. This morning. We're bracing this morning

(34:12):
on something a bit different. A competition, a one of
a kind competition that only involves pro chefs and promising
young chefs called Moose Masters.

Speaker 8 (34:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
I really like this.

Speaker 13 (34:23):
I like that it's focused on people who are working
in the industry as chefs and those who are either
newswal it or they've been in there forever. And a
chocolate moose is something that is, if you like a
real classic, everyone gets taught out and make a chocolate
moose at chef or cook school.

Speaker 12 (34:39):
Absolutely.

Speaker 13 (34:40):
So this wonderful company called We's Co Cow and they've
got a great story for our listeners if you want
to go on their website.

Speaker 14 (34:46):
Weave Ca Cow.

Speaker 13 (34:48):
They essentially are trying to really support and us to
the cow growers of Papua New Guinea because the cacao
or cocoa markets or chocolate market, it feeds into this
great bulk industry that when you're a small niche you know,
Pacific grower, it's very hard to survive. So these guys
are really doing great things. So yes, they want to
find New Zealand's top chocolate moose dessert, and I.

Speaker 12 (35:12):
Bet they will be elaborate and fantastic, honestly.

Speaker 13 (35:14):
So I'm going to share my very simple, very classic
done and a little partial.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
And I think over complicated.

Speaker 13 (35:23):
Yes, don't over complicate it, but I know that these
chiefs will probably look for height and towering things.

Speaker 12 (35:29):
And this, that and the other.

Speaker 13 (35:29):
But here's how to make a classic a classic. And
I'm going to stay safe because I don't actually use
the egg whites because they are raw.

Speaker 12 (35:37):
And I think, you know, sometimes people are a little
bit weird about that. But I've got a little trick
for that. So here we go.

Speaker 13 (35:43):
You want to bring and I think it's all about
texture as well as flavor for a chocolate boss to
all sort of almost disappear in your mouth.

Speaker 12 (35:50):
It's so quite. I've got four in the fridge. How
long do you think they're gonna last? Anyway?

Speaker 13 (35:55):
So first of all, take half a cup of cream
and bring that to a near boil in a little
small saucepan.

Speaker 12 (36:02):
And meantime, while that's happening, although keep an eye on it,
in a bowl.

Speaker 13 (36:05):
With together two small egg yolks and a heaped tablespoon
of sugar.

Speaker 12 (36:12):
And you want to do this until it's beautiful and pale.

Speaker 13 (36:14):
And then keep whisking as you slowly pour that hot
cream into the eggs. And that will one kodly the eggs,
but it will cook those egg yolks enough, and then
you've got seventy grams of very dark, good quality chopped.
Of course, I reckon that you use some weave cacao,
because it's got a nice high cocoa and cocoa butter.

Speaker 12 (36:35):
It's not sort of cheap and just walk non cocoa fat.

Speaker 13 (36:38):
So throw that in a you chop chocolate, let it
stand for a little bit, and that chocolate will melt.
So I chop it very small and then allow that
to cool, and then really give it a good old
whisk and you'll.

Speaker 12 (36:50):
See all of that chocolate start to melt through the
sugar and eggs. And then you fold it in.

Speaker 13 (36:55):
Instead of some egg whites, which is traditional, I just
use the cream. So you use half a cup of
cream that you've then whipped with a bit of vannilla
extract and fold that gently through some you're not losing
any of the air into the chocolate, which it.

Speaker 12 (37:09):
Takes quite a while. I got to be a bit patient.
Pour it into four I just use little cups. It's rich,
so you.

Speaker 13 (37:14):
Don't have to, you know, I have a huge amount
of this. Refrigerate it for at least three to four
hours or overnight. Have some patience with that because that
helps set that. You know that chocolate again, of course,
which gives you the texture. Maybe grate some chocolate on top,
maybe save it with a little bit of extra whipped
creep on top.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 13 (37:32):
And it's just beautiful you know, it's the sort of
thing that you know, you dig your spoon into a
moose like and then as I say it just sort
of the mouth feel, it just sort of disappears in
your mouth, which is so good.

Speaker 12 (37:42):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
All right, Okay, well make sure that is on the website.
It sounds amazing. Thank you, Nikki. You enjoy the remaining
four I'm sure, like you say, they won't last long,
and we'll be back in a couple of minutes. It's
sixty ten on News Talks V.

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Yoda, Good morning, Welcome to Newstork ZEDV. You are Jack
Tame through to twelve o'clock midday today. It is a
classic story, the classic story of boy meets girl, their families,
you know, hate each other, chaos since Hughes, but Shakespeare's
Romeo and Juliet really is the tale of star cross lovers.
And it's just a few weeks. The story is going

(39:46):
to be brought to the stage by Auckland Theater Company.
But this is not your grandparents Shakespeare, No, no, this
is a fast paced thriller set in the nineteen sixties
Milan with kiwi accents and soon to be The Romeo
and the Julieta Romeo and Julieta Theo David and Phoebe McKellar,
and they are here with us on new Spooks. He'd

(40:07):
be this morning killed a cordwa and welcome to the show.
Thanks for being here, I think Jack, so nice to
be speaking with you both. Theo. I'm going to kick
off with you just to explain to us how different
is this production of Romeo and Juliet to the one
that we might have seen two hundred years ago.

Speaker 10 (40:26):
Well, for starters, you've got men and women in the cast,
because I know back then it was probably all men,
so that's nice. But like you said, this is set
in kind of nineteen sixties Milanese style, so think high fashion,
think culture, I think really hot passion. And like you
said as well, you know we've got all the actors

(40:46):
retaining their accent, so it's not going to be some
British broadcast network version of Roman Juliet. This is a
Roman Juliet produced in Auckland.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Oh fun, phoebe What about the language? Is it still
very much like Romeo Romeo where for out there Romeo?
Or is it like Romeo Romeo where you at boy?

Speaker 15 (41:05):
I mean I guess that the language is very much
the same. And the intention I mean, wee wet boy
was valid back then and still valid now. So the
language is the same, the intention is heightened.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, it's what four hundred years I think since this
production from this first stage, which is remarkable. But it
really is like kind of like I was saying, it
is the story of Starcross lovers, the story of boy
meets girl. But theo You've done like heaps of Shakespearean
plays over the years, right, like you've played well. I
think you've been Henry the fifth in Romey and Juliet.

(41:42):
You've been much ado about nothing, You've been orthello. So
what is it about Shakespeare that you love so much?

Speaker 11 (41:48):
Ah?

Speaker 10 (41:49):
Just just language, just as words like I mean, I'll
be honest, I like the employment that comes with it too,
our life. But just you know, he has this way
of explaining things that we don't. We don't talk like
that anymore. You know, we're in the era of the
emoji or the meme. You know, we can send that
and try and communicate. But you know, back then he
was saying stuff like, you know, by all my fortunes

(42:12):
at my foot, I'll lay and I'll follow you throughout
the world. Like you know, that's pretty romantic. But you
would never hear anyone say that now.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Yeah, it is quite kind of profound. How do you
feel about the language, Phoebe, How does this compare to
a different kind of production, one one that would use
modern language. How do you find telling a Shakespearean story
in Shakespeare's language?

Speaker 8 (42:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (42:32):
I mean the language is so rich in all of
its imagery, Like you can really roll around as an actor,
just roll around in the in the words that he's
gifted you, and their a gift to the audience as well,
because they might be foreign to their audiences here. But
you really understand the poetry of it, and it is

(42:54):
all poetry. Basically, Romeo and Juliet is all poetry, and
most of it's in verse.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeah. Yeah, how do you find do you find like
the rhythm of it difficult to get into? Does that
kind of help once you're in the production? Help with
the flow of the production.

Speaker 15 (43:09):
Do you find, Phoebe the rhythm one helps learn lines
very much, so much easier than anything else because it
just kind of gets you into that poetry and that emotion.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Immediately.

Speaker 15 (43:26):
And then yeah, the the show itself is so fast,
the journey that they go on is so fast, so
that just kind of the verse keeps the heartbeat alive
and just ticking.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah, yeah, so it kind of drives it forward throughout
as I can imagine that that when you're playing Romeo
and Juliet, chemistry is super important. So can you talk
to us about the process, process of being of being
cast as Romeo and and how you guys try and
kind of nurture the chemistry on stage together.

Speaker 10 (44:01):
We well, we're quite lucky. We've we've known we were
going to play these characters for about a year now,
so and we did our kind of callback audition together
as well. So I think there was something in that
audition that may then go, oh, it's maybe this is
the relationship with nurture. And then just at different points
throughout the past year, you know, we did a photoshop together,

(44:23):
and we shot the trailer together, and that was like
a nice slow build up before we got into the
rehearsal room. But there's a lot We've got Ben helping
us with that. We have an we have an intimacy
coordinator Lara, who kind of helps cultivate you know what
the touch choreography is, what kind of because this might
be all that kind of stuff. So that's very much

(44:46):
it's like a dance. Yeah, it's like learning dance steps
so that way you're not well, so that way you
don't just throw yourself into it if you don't feel
like it, but also so that you just have these
little touch points that you can get to.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Right, they kind of the kind of spark it all
kind of mean continuity or something with that relationship. So
the Ben your your referencing as Benjamin Kilby Henson, who's
the director of this production of Romeo and Juliet. But
how have you found it, Phoebe? Because I can look
from an outsider this perspective, someone with no acting chops,
I can imagine that it's quite a high pressure scenario
to be put in an environment where you are trying

(45:22):
to develop chemistry with someone in quite a public way.

Speaker 15 (45:26):
Now, I feel like Ben himself is an amazing director
and the way that the room has run, like his
process and his preparation has made it. So I mean,
I think easy for us to actually just walk in
and then find this language of intimacy together with his

(45:51):
outside eye of just fine tuning and within the world
of discovery, so we never lose that play, that the
chemistry is still alive and there's always more to be discovered.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Which is again, so tell me more about this intimacy coordinator.
I'm fascinated. I'm fascinated by this, and I know zero
about how an intimacy coordinator actually works. How does what
is the role phobe and how does that kind of
work in a production like this.

Speaker 15 (46:21):
Yeah, so the intimacy coordinator kind of comes in and
we because we had all the photo shirts and stuff,
any kind of intimate touch, you essentially choreograph it and
give yourself a really good base whilst talking about is
it feather touch or is it like muscle touch or

(46:44):
is it bone touch? And you always have to check
in with your other actor almost like a stunt of going, yeah,
how do you feel today? Are were okay? Like yeah,
and rechecking in and then you kind of make the
the goalposts essentially, and then within what you've discussed and

(47:08):
the and the world that you've created together. With that touch,
you can kind of play in there, which is bad.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
I see. So you don't want to be too prescriptive
that again speaking just like you have to forgive me guys,
just a total amateur hear, but speak like I would
have thought. You don't want to be like you want
to set the goalposts in an appropriate distance, right, because you
don't want to coordinate it to the point that you
kind of suck the romance or the serendipity or out

(47:36):
the kind of it is a balance, I would have
thought that.

Speaker 16 (47:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (47:40):
Yeah, and it's just to keep everyone safe too, because
you know, you don't want to be you hear stories
all the time. But it's just to make sure we
know that my hand is going to go here and
it's not going to go any higher or any lower.
And it just takes all that anxiety away for everyone
as well.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (47:54):
And it's not people, yeah, yeah, not even twenty years
ago probably.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
So yeah, sorry I interrupted you there. What were you saying?

Speaker 10 (48:05):
Just opened to my nators are they're not just for
like romantic relationships either. You know, there's a lot of
maternal slash paternal relationships in the show, they helped kind
of cultivate that language as well.

Speaker 15 (48:16):
Yeah, Like I had a meeting with Lara and the
nurse because there's a very physical relationship there, and that
really helped play the groundwork for the realm that we
get to play in together.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah right, yeah, nice. So Phoebe tell us about the
fashion because seeing it in Milan in the sixties has
a very distinct look.

Speaker 15 (48:39):
Yes, lots of bright colors, bowl pattern everything's a lot
of a lot of tight pants for the men.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
And then the ball outfits.

Speaker 15 (48:55):
I mean, you'll just have to come see it, won't you.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Yeah, yeah, But I mean this is part of the
the decision to see it in the sixties. There is
very much because it allows for like the most kind
of impressive visuals possible.

Speaker 6 (49:09):
Right.

Speaker 10 (49:10):
Yeah, it's the era of Romanticism, it's the era of
rebellion and like, because we're already so removed from the
Shakespearean language, so you could set it in a modern setting,
but it would it sounds a bit weird to see
someone you know, dressed in a hoodie speaking Shakespeare.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
So well, Ben's that is.

Speaker 10 (49:30):
Quite amazing because he's kind of given you a step
into the Shakespeare rule by setting it maybe one step
away from us, and then that's kind of the launch
pad into the language.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a great way to do it.
So it's a story about young people, essentially Romeo and Juliet.
I think they're super young, aren't they. Well, the characters
are super young. So when you guys are staging a
performance like this, do you do you do you hope
that it'll bring young people to the theater? Like, is
that a consideration given there are so many different forms

(50:03):
of entertainment kind of vying for people's attention at the moment,
and especially young people. Is this the kind of production
you think that you know that might help to inspire
thest beans of the future and inspire young people who
might not usually go to the theater to head along
and be inspired.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (50:20):
Absolutely, I mean.

Speaker 15 (50:21):
And and the way that Ben has, I guess cut
down the script it is the first time I read it,
I was like forty six pages and I was like,
this is so short for a Shakespeare But I think
it's also what we need and what our younger brands need.

Speaker 11 (50:42):
We don't have.

Speaker 15 (50:43):
The the will to sit and listen to all of
that poetry, but it just rockets forward with the narrative
and the emotion, and I think that will really hit
so well with the younger audience.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah, yeah, you so good. So it's been cut down
a little bit. It's been set in the nineteen sixties.
Sounds like so much dumb but fun. But THEO just
promise us, does it have a happy ending?

Speaker 10 (51:12):
You know, we're going to play it like there's a
happy ending. You know, there's not a tragedy until it's
a tragedy. So yeah, there's going to be and yeah
there they're going to fall in love.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
It's going to be a big and then another stuff
that happens too. Yeah yeah, it will be some fights
there probably, but.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Happily after.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah. Look, no promises, but no. It sounds like so
much fun, guys, and a great way to reimagine one
of the all time classic Thank you so much for
being with us this morning. The O, David and Phoebe
mckella are the stars of Auckland Theater Companies new production
of Romeo and Juliet. It's fast paced, it is set
in the nineteen sixties in Milan. We're going to have
all the details, including we can get tickets up on

(51:55):
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address twenty four past ten, which means it's screen time
time on Newstalks. He'd be Tara Award joins us at
this time every single Saturday with her three picks for
shows to watch your stream at home. Caldatara, good morning, okay, Lee,

(53:42):
Let's begin with the show streaming on three now tell
us about the city is ours?

Speaker 8 (53:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (53:47):
This is a great new British crime thriller that stars
Sean Bean and Julie Graham. It's said in Liverpool, and
it's a gangster drama about a crime family called the Pheelans,
who control the drug trade in Liverpool. The head of
the family, who's played by Sean Bean, is a considering
retirement and the like heir to his crime throne is

(54:08):
one of his trust and associates associates. But what he
doesn't know is that his associate is starting to have
a crisis of conscience. He has fallen in love with
a good woman and that relationship and their plans for
the future is making him question what he's doing with
his life. He's living two lives effectively. One is full
of crime and violence and the other is this perfect

(54:30):
family life and obviously those two worlds are going to
clash at some point. And a few weeks ago I
talked about the show Mobland, which is another show about
a British gangster family.

Speaker 11 (54:41):
This is kind of.

Speaker 17 (54:41):
Similar, but it's a bit grittier and the pace is
a lot slower. But I watched this yesterday afternoon on
a wet, cold Friday and really enjoyed it. You know
where you are with the show. It's not trying to
do anything too different, but it's got some great characters,
some surprising moment Sean Bean as great as this uncompromising

(55:03):
crime boss. Just a really good, solid crime drama to
escape into.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah nice, Okay, cool, that sounds good. So that's on
three now. It's called The City is Ours. Also on
three hour out three hour tell Us about hospice heroes.

Speaker 17 (55:19):
Yeah, this is a new documentary series. It starts on
three tomorrow night and we'll also be on three now,
And it's about what goes on inside our hospice. So
it's films inside talks of the hospice in Auckland, and
the show wants to take us inside a place that
lots of us might not know anything about or might
be a bit scared of. And so it's capturing the
life and the humor and the heart that goes on

(55:42):
every day in a hospice, from the staff to the
patients and their families as a way of kind of
breaking down those stigmas about what we might think a
hospice is and what we might think end of care,
end of life care looks like. And a bit in
the way, like you know, the cask teer took us
inside a funeral home, but it was also full of
these moments of warmth and his heart. This has that

(56:04):
same vibe to it, lots of warmth and to it
as well. It's done with a lot of sensitivity and care,
and it's also an incredible tribute to the work that
the doctors and the nurses and the staff do there,
as well as all the volunteers in the hospice shop
shops and things like that. So probably a different show
for me to be recommending today, but I think a

(56:24):
really important one. You will cry watching this, but you'll
also laugh and feel inspired and feel a lot of
gratitude as well.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
See, I know a few of the staff members that
taught at a hospice. I've spent small amount of time
out there over the years. It's just amazing what has done,
and not just in torturalive but in hospices around the country.
So I actually just think, as well as being you know,
a moving and emotional watch, it's a really important story
and one that needs to be told more. I don't
think enough New Zealanders appreciate, you know, just how incredible

(56:56):
the work is that a lot of people you know,
put in these hospices around the country, often for little
or no money in many occasions as well. So yeah,
I'm really appreciate yet. So you can see that on
three now. And there are three big blockbuster shows returning
to the international streamers, Tour de France Unchained and Squid
Game on Netflix and The Beer on Disney Plus.

Speaker 11 (57:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (57:19):
Yeah, three big shows all dropped new seasons last week.
And so if you haven't seen any of these shows,
or you're wanting to watch a show this weekend that
has a lot of episodes to get through, these are
three great options. The first Tour de France Unchained, which
is I mean, we've talked about this before Jack both
six fans of this. It's a brilliant, fast paced documentary
series that takes you behind the scenes of the Toura France.

(57:41):
Even if you don't know anything about cycling, this is
a really addictive, fascinating, entertaining series. At times it feels
like you're actually in the Palatin And so the third
season of that has just dropped on Netflix. The second
show is The Bear on Disney Plus. Season four has
just dropped, and this is going to be my weekend watch.
The Bear is an award winning American drama about a

(58:01):
chef who comes home to Chicago to take over his
family diner after his brother dies. It's quite a stressful
and and sprenetic show, but an excellent lot, and the
reviews for this new season have been really strong, so
I'm looking forward to that. The third show, it's Squid
Game on Netflix. The third and final season of Quad
Game dropped last week and immediately broke all sorts of records.

(58:23):
Over sixty million people watched Squid Game across three days,
which is a new record for Netflix. It's phenomenal. This
is a Korean series. It's a dark, dark satire about catitalism.
But it's one man's quest to win a large amount
of money by going on this twisted game show where
if you lose the game, you get shot. So it's

(58:43):
pretty bleak but also very good and in one of
those shows that it kind of has weird dreams about
it afterwards, that it gets into your sub consciousness. But
sixty million people, it can't be all wrong, right.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
No, Look, it's a bit of escapism, but it is. Yeah,
it's a satire. It's pretty dark satire, very dark. Yes,
Squid Game is. And I mean the production is like extreme,
does they the lead?

Speaker 5 (59:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:07):
So no, those are Those are great recommendations. Tar off
top of here, is is it the final series of
The Bear? Do you know?

Speaker 17 (59:13):
I don't think it is. I think they've left it
open for another season.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
I'm not sure that just they need to stop, you know,
when there's been a really good show, but you're like,
I really think they're just going to push it too far?

Speaker 11 (59:23):
Now, Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
See with Tura France, the final season. Yeah yeah yeah,
sometimes less more, sometimes just like calling it and being
assertive is a really good decision with the TV. Okay,
love that. Those are great recommendations, So thank you very much.
So the City is Ours? Is that crime drama that
Tara mentioned first, that's on three now, so is Hospice Heroes,
and then the three big blockbusters that are back with

(59:49):
new series. Tour de France. Unchained has its final series
on Netflix, The Bear is on Disney Plus and Squid
Game is also on Netflix. It's just gone ten.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Thirty, getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack
Team on News Talks' Blood.

Speaker 6 (01:00:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
I'm not embarrassed to say I love this song. This
is Kesher and this song is called TikTok I think
it came out before TikTok, you know, the swipey swipe TikTok.
It could be wrong there, but I think it did well. Anyway,
Kesha is taking back her power. So she burst onto
the scene with the song and a couple of other
like really poppy party tracks, but behind the raucous, grungey

(01:00:51):
glam persona as someone who spent the last decade in
a dramatic effort to reclaim her own voice. So she's
been in this big legal battle with music producer Doctor Luke,
who kind of famously ran a bit of a hits factory.
He kind of had this process and this team for
turning out hit after hit after hit. He signed her
to a label when she was eighteen, a contract that
she then desperately tried to get out of. In a

(01:01:13):
civil case, she accused him of all kinds of abuse
and manipulation. So Kesha is now thirty eight as of
March of last year. So March twenty twenty four, Kesha
was free. So she finally became free to create music
on her own terms. And that's exactly what she's doing now.
So she's working for herself. She's created her own label
called Kesha Records and quite pointedly on the US Independence Stay.

(01:01:36):
July fourth, she has released her first album as an
independent artist. So the album is called Period. Our music
reviewer Estelle has been listening to it. She's going to
join us before mid day today to give us her
thoughts and led us in on whether the album has
stayed true to Kesha's kind of party girl spirit or
if she softened into something new, if she's headed into

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a different direction. So we're going to make sure we
save a little bit of time after eleven o'clock to
play you that this morning as well as that after eleven.
Our travel Chorus has just had an incredible time in
the Galapagus Islands and Ecuador. But he has come back
with some really useful tips on his favorite travel apps.
And these are apps that it doesn't matter where you're

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going in the world, they can be incredibly useful. They
can smooth you run when you're traveling, not anything that's
going to give away the game too much, because you
want to have a little bit of a little bit
of risk and jeopardy when you're on the road. But
he's got some really great tips for his favorite travel
apps that he's going to share when he joins us
after eleven o'clock. Our texpert is in next it's twenty
five to eleven. You're jactaying. This is Newstalk ZEDV.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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TAPO updating the two thousand and nine Joint Management Agreement
between the Council and NATI two pilly to the critics
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But he now we're ready to present to the public
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What did the public go? We're sick of this, we
don't want it.

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Well, first have to go and do a payrin. What
consultation looks like?

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
Is it a possibility?

Speaker 18 (01:03:10):
What do you mean is consultation of possibility?

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Surely you're going to consult.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
No, Well, it's an agreement between two party jar and
the council.

Speaker 18 (01:03:17):
So maybe no consultation. David back Monday from six am.
The Mike Hosking Breakfast with the land Driver Discovery News
Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Twenty two to eleven on news Talk ZEDB. Open ai
is the company behind chat GPT and now their top
talent is being poached by some of the other big
tech companies. Four crazy amounts of money. Our textbook paulstine
House is waiting for his phone to light up. He's
just got us on Saturday mornings, one hundred million bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Are you serious?

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
This for a scon bonus for a computer technician.

Speaker 19 (01:03:50):
So this is what Sam Altman, the CEO of open ai,
has said.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
People are being poached for right.

Speaker 19 (01:03:56):
And so they must It must be like employees that
are in his top ranks have come to and said,
buddy there, yeah, I've got this offer.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
What can you do for me?

Speaker 19 (01:04:04):
And I don't know, he's probably the same to see ya,
or he's reluctantly said, see yea, I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Know if you work from home every second Thursday, yeah
about right in summer.

Speaker 19 (01:04:15):
But that's just the staggering number, isn't it. I mean
these are the types of numbers you typically hear for
you know, any of our stars or your like big
Hollywood A listers, And these are like nerdy folks working
out okay, working out the future of AI. I guess
so maybe they do need to be paid this sort
of money like these big like these other big names
we know about.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
But it certainly has.

Speaker 19 (01:04:38):
Been ruffling feathers. There was every week Meta does a
big like all hands meeting, and this came up in
there all hands meeting, and they kind of addressed it
and kind of couched it, and they were sort of saying, well,
it wasn't a one hundred million dollars signing bonus. It
was structured maybe slightly differently. So maybe they're earning one
hundred million dollars and being paid twenty five million dollars

(01:05:00):
a year, But even then I wouldn't say no to that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Can I ask this though? So our individuals and the
expertise that individuals bring, are they so valuable in the space?
Are there people who are so unique with what they
bring to AI development that they can possibly justify this
kind of spending, you know, like it is one person
worth one hundred million dollars versus another five people for

(01:05:25):
five million dollars each, you know what I mean?

Speaker 19 (01:05:28):
I would only suggest that quite possibly, I think there's
a real shortage of people who have experience in this
area and what we're seeing probably unlike other technologies that
have come about, a lot of these AI folks have
kind of been dabbling with some of the stuff in
a research capacity. You know, a lot of them have

(01:05:49):
probably been around academic or academic adjacent institutions. I mean
Open AI had a whole nonprofit kind of part to it,
and then chat GPT's part of their kind of commercial
arm and so these I think were folks who had
kind of yeah, really dedicated themselves to some of this work,
and now they're obviously seeing the fruits of their labor.

(01:06:11):
And I don't think that there are that many who
would be at that caliber, but certainly those who those
who are kind of like leading the charge and have
and writing the papers and being deep into this research, Yeah,
commanding serious dollars. I mean, this is the just have
to remember this is the hottest technology. And I know
we talk about a lot of things, and over the years,

(01:06:31):
you and I've talked about things, and I've seen things
come and seeing things go. God, look, we don't even
get me started on the three dtvs and things like that.
But this is actually but this is different, right, This
feels like a real step change. And these big companies
like look at Google, right, their whole livelihood has been
around data and search and connecting dots, and now AIS

(01:06:55):
come in and potentially up ending their entire business. So
would you take one hundred million dollar bet on a
guy a girl?

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Maybe if you hold a few come like Meta, you've
gone hundred million bucks, right, Like that's the thing. Everything's relative,
like one hundred million dollars exactly to another, to another company.
But it does set a very high standard when it
comes to when it comes to attracting talent. I think
you're right though, Like the if even only a ten

(01:07:24):
percent of the hype for AI at least in the
next couple of years is warranted, it's the kind of
technology that has the potential to upset the power balance
between the big tech companies. Right. So we've seen the
lights of Apple and Google and Meta dominate for the
last you know, ten or twenty years, and all of
a sudden that could be about to change and change

(01:07:46):
super quickly, which is what's kind of interesting.

Speaker 19 (01:07:48):
Yeah, unless they do something drastic, right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Unless there's been a hundrellion dollars on talent, Yeah, yeah,
exactly on the I think.

Speaker 19 (01:07:55):
And I think that they're desperate. I think some of
these companies, like you know, open ai, was a nothing
and it's become the company, like chet GPT has become
the word has become the Google of you know what
Google is to search, they are to ai? And would
you pay for that? Look at your trillion, multi trillion
dollar companies and you're like, okay, rounding.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Out, Yeah, maybe maybe we will. Yeah, all right, Paul, Look,
if you need a referee, we certainly don't want to
lose you on Saturday morning here. You need a referee
if you're looking for you know, we're always here, So
I appreciate your time as always. Our texpert Paul Stenhouse.
Before eleven o'clock, rude climb passes in the garden talking
too much water. I think that's going to be a
problem affecting hundreds of thousands of gardens around the country.

(01:08:39):
There are a few little things you can do if
your place has been completely sodden and undated over the
last couple of weeks, so he will share his tips
very shortly. Next up, our personal finance experts here with
a very simple test that asks can I invest sixteen
to eleven a.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Little bit of way to kick off your weekend.

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Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Fourteen two eleven on News Talks EDB. It's called the
can I invest Test, the questions you should be asking
yourself before any significant purchase that might get you into
more debt than you had anticipated. Ed McKnight from OPI's
partners is here with the details. This morning, Hey, yed
oh Jack, nice to talk to you. Yeah, nice to
be speaking with you. So when would the can I

(01:09:25):
invest test be appropriate to be used?

Speaker 9 (01:09:28):
So we often use this with a lot of our clients.
So we're thinking about buying an investment property, and especially
today with the high interest rates that we've seen, the
rent for your investment property might not cover all of
your costs and so you might have one hundred dollars
a week top up that you've got to make to
an investment property. So if we're ever dealing with a
client or a couple who's saying, look, I'm not sure

(01:09:50):
if we can afford that, we always say, well, before
you take on any debt, why don't you just try
for the next three months, setting aside that one hundred,
one hundred and fifty dollars a week, whatever it happens
to be, and automatically transfer that to a separate account,
and just make sure you really can afford that. And
then if you can do that for three months and

(01:10:10):
you've seen the money pile up in your account, great,
You've proven to yourself that you really can invest. And
I think this applies not just with investment properties, but
with all types of investing. If I think about myself
when I recently bought my first time after buy investment properties,
so many years I was renting. And then when you
don't buy a house, often you know, with all of

(01:10:32):
your costs, your rates, insurance, you're paying a big mortgage,
you end up paying more than you did in rent.
Now that's okay, But like most keywis, you grab it
old below, you turn it over, you've got the back
of it. You find a mortgage calculator, and you do
some quick thumbs and you look at your partner or
yourself in the mirror if you're single, and you say,
could I afford that?

Speaker 20 (01:10:52):
Yeh, she'll be roight.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Yeah, I think you all right? Yeah, I think it's
such a smart idea to actually not just wait three months,
but to really purposefully put that money aside into a
different account, because often people just say, well, you know,
even if they're running a budget, they'll say, I spend
this monch this week and this much on that. But actually,
once you are like experiencing you know, less less money

(01:11:21):
for other things because you're putting that money in a
different account expendable income, then all of a sudden you
have a much better flavor for whether or not you
could weather additional storms, you know, like, for example, if
you had an investment property and it didn't have tenants
for a few months, so something like that could come up,
it could cause a real shock otherwise.

Speaker 9 (01:11:39):
And the other thing, the other place I find it
really useful is if you're thinking about I'm doing a
higher purchase. Say you want to buy a new Count,
or you want to buy a new car and you've
got to take out a loan for it. It's really
easy to think about, Wow, my life's going to be
so good once I've bought that car. My life's going
to be so much better once I've got that Count.
But I often call those kinds of expenditure bubblegum debt,

(01:12:00):
because just like bubblegum, you pop that in your mouth
and you're like, oh, it tastes lovely, lovely and sweet.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
I love this.

Speaker 9 (01:12:06):
But then the trouble with bubblegum is that after you've
tewed it for a while, it starts to get really
yuck and you don't like it anymore. And what I
often see with car debts or higher purchases, it's great
at the start, you love having that new thing you
wanted to buy. But with debt, it's the bubblegum. You
can't spit out because you have to keep making that
payment again and again and again until you've paid that off.

(01:12:28):
And with the can I invest tests, all was saying
is try seeing what life is like, because you might
find that actually, we don't like having to put it
aside one hundred bucks or ninety bucks a week for
that car payment. We can't really afford that. Well, it's
better to know before you take out that debt until
waiting until laughter you've got it and you think, okay,

(01:12:49):
we bought that new car, but actually it's lost value
because we drove it off the lot and we don't
really like this car payment yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
One hundred percent. You're speaking my language of their things.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
Ed.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
That's really really good advice. In fact, my thing is
unless there are you know, extreme circumstances. I'm real, I'm
probably speaking of privilege here. You never want to go
into debt for a car, that's my car is no
an investment. Thank you so much. You appreciate your time.
Evening night. From Opie's Partner's ten to eleven non news talks, he'd.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Be guarding with still sharp one hundred bucks of free
accessories on selected chainsaws.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Eight to eleven non news talks, he'd be a man
and the Gardener's rude climb past. And he is the
master of the understatement. He sent me a note this
week that begins with these words. So far this winter
of ours has been pretty wet. Oh, I think it's
past you, sir, But have.

Speaker 20 (01:13:41):
We did you?

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Spotty?

Speaker 11 (01:13:43):
Or the typical thing?

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
That's what it's about, isn't it?

Speaker 11 (01:13:47):
But it's also causing a lot of troubles. But by
the way, goodness me two cars? Yeah, which one did
you see?

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
I saw the colorful one. I don't know what I saw.
I'm sorry to say, yeah, I mean yeah, well so
not only the two cars. I actually say, my favorite birds, sorry,
we'll come back to the to the rain in just
a moment, are the hummingbirds. I could watch all day.
They are incredible, Like they move like the Snitch moves

(01:14:17):
and the Harry Potter films. And I know that's not
a very good analogy, but the fact that they can
kind of go forwards and backwards, it's just so amazing.
I could honestly, I find them mesmerizing. So yeah, it's
a real treat to be able.

Speaker 11 (01:14:28):
To and it would be wonderful. Yeah, and anyway, jealous,
I've never been in I've never been in Costa Rica.
I've been next door, of course, in Panama, Finish of
Ala Equid or all these places, but never in Costa Rica.
I've always wanted to go there, So I'll ever chat
about that another day, though, very.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Good, we'll have to. I think it would be your
kind of place. I think twenty five percent of the
country has been given over to national park, so I
think it's just the optimistic that would be a client
pass kind of the part of the world.

Speaker 11 (01:14:56):
Yeah, yeah, Auro trucial production kind of world.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Yes, anyway, to the rain, it's if it rains.

Speaker 11 (01:15:05):
Too much, and your plans are constantly inundated with water.
Your roots do not know where the heck to go.
It's a hazard for the plants. You get fight top trae,
you get pity and fusarium, i'm malaria, all sorts of
root roots. So this is what we're from now on
talk back radio. I bet you we'll get a hell
of a lot of questions about a whole hedge rows

(01:15:26):
dying as a result of that. So I just want
to say, you know, keep your keep your stuff clean
if you like, clean of water, if you get if
it's on an angle, why not get nice little.

Speaker 19 (01:15:41):
If you like.

Speaker 11 (01:15:42):
You know places that you can actually get rid of
the water. Just steer it away, steer it to the neighbors,
for instance, which is always very very good. Anyway, Yeah,
you go, But what's you quite off? You can see
this with the stress of the plants, discoloration of the
leaves that blisters and the leaf for you can pick

(01:16:05):
it quite quickly, and it is really hard check to
do anything about it. You've got to be quickly on
the ball to get these things going. And you know,
one of the good materials is to plant health boxes,
lightbuster I like that name the plant help boxes lightbuster,
and that can actually control some of these root rot

(01:16:30):
species like fight offtra et cetera. As long as you
are on the ball, that's basically what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
A yeah, so I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
A little bit of dital landscaping is very a smart idea.

Speaker 6 (01:16:42):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
You don't want to be digging a whole trench, but
if you can just try and divert some of the
some of that you've got it drainage away from from
your most vulnerable plants. That makes a lot of especially.

Speaker 11 (01:16:54):
If you've got a slight hangar if you like in
your garden, that you can actually take it away. So
it's all The second thing is, and that's a really
good one. Some of the plants are really good to
put in big pots, like large pots, but they need
to have holes, drainage holes, good drainage holes in the bottom,

(01:17:14):
and check those drainage holes are not clogged. All these
things count in this case and remove all And first
is if you've got them on trees sources, remove their
plants from the trees and sources and let them dry out. Honestly,
it's the only way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I made the
mistake last season with my passion for it. I didn't
have big enough holes and my pots. So I learned
that the hard way. But that's really really good advice
because we're going to do even before we can at
the moment to drown to dry out plants. After a
couple of weeks we've had thank you so much, rude
route climb passed in the garden for us these years,
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Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
'b what any of you?

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
With Jack Taime on News Talks, he'd be through to
twelve o'clock and it's a bit of a week of
firsts for us. We have broadcast the show from all
sorts of places over the years. I've been doing a
bit of a stock take over the course of the morning.
I think we have probably broadcast this show from eight
countries over the last twelve years or so, but we've
added one this week. Costa Rica is where we're broadcasting

(01:18:47):
from Live this morning. I've come here for a few
days with the Farno. I've been dragging them across the
country and what I've not described as a particularly relaxing
holiday for anyone involved, but an adventure, which is what
I was hoping for. And speaking of first, it really
has been a few days of first for us here.
So we've seen two can't We have seen sloths in

(01:19:08):
the wild, We've seen an anteita in the wild, which
has all been very exciting, feel very lucky indeed. And
I had a bit of a first this morning, or
the family had a bit of a first when we
took our four month old for his very first swim
in the ocean. Now I'd never done it with a
baby before, Like I'd never taken a baby into the ocean,
and I'd kind of been looking forward to the moment.

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Our family is a real ocean going family. We love
swimming in the ocean, Like we're all big body surfers
and you know, kind of grew up grimacing through cold
water and everyone having their own wetsuit and that kind
of thing. So I was looking forward to taking money
in for a bit of a dip. But I didn't
really think things through super well, so I took him in.
I knew the water temperature would be okay. I went

(01:19:50):
and checked it beforehand. Given we're in Costa Eco, we're
relatively close to the equator. It's pretty tropical kind of
temperatures are nice and comfortable, a clean beach. The waves
aren't too nari or anything like that, although there are waves.
But anyway, I got a bit excited. I took him in,
put him in his litt natty little outfit, took him
in and I was holding him so I had my
backs to the wave and my back to the wave

(01:20:12):
and my face towards the beach if you get my drift,
and so I was holding him there facing me. So
I was holding him at kind of arm length with
the waves coming up and hitting me from behind. And
you know how every now and then, if you're on
a surf beach, there'll be like a double wave, even
just in the shallows it. You can have a wave

(01:20:33):
that's already broken and then another wave comes up behind it,
and the two waves combine and there's kind of a
force of waves. You can see where the story is going.
With my highly disapproving wife watching on, I was holding
MANI out. His first feel of seawater seemed perfectly fine.
He was delighted. He was all going fine, he was
feeling it didn't seem too cold, he wasn't shivering or anything.

(01:20:54):
It was kind of giving me a few smiles. And
then because I had my back to the waves, I
didn't see a double wave coming, I came up behind me.
I turned out I was far deeper than I should
have been. It didn't knock me over, but the wave
did crash into my four month old face. So but
what had been a smile very quickly disappeared when he

(01:21:16):
was frightened by the wave, and very quickly turned to tears.
And his first swim lasted no more than about three minutes.
It was an experience for all involved. But we're gonna
need a little bit more practice, I think, before we
let him out there by himself. Anyway, feel very lucky
to have these kind of these kind of moments, but
might need to think a bit more about it before
I'd take him in for a dip tomorrow. Right now,

(01:21:36):
it's ten fast eleven. You were Jactaime on New Storks,
he'd be Jack tam Google someone from Umbrella Well Being
is here with us this morning with some really interesting
research into the benefits of getting outside with nature. Doesn't
have to be with sloths and two guards and in
the ocean or anything like that. No, it can just
be somewhere nice and simple. And here's the thing, it's
not physical benefits we're talking about this morning, Google. There

(01:21:58):
are obvious kind of physical benefits, but actually a lot
of recent research talks about the mental health benefits with
being connected to nature.

Speaker 16 (01:22:07):
Yeah, Cura Jackets, it's and you sound like you and
the family are doing your your bit to really improve
your mental health by getting out and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
About I'm improving my wife necessarily. Yeah, it's at our
side this morning.

Speaker 16 (01:22:22):
Yeah, a little bit of trauma perhaps, but you know,
that's that's all right. I could recommend a good psychologist
in the future if you ever need one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
So it was just such an it's such an amateur move,
you know, like, don't put everyone knows that, you know,
and you go.

Speaker 16 (01:22:37):
Yeah, but you get so focused on the kids, don't you,
And you know, making sure they're having a good time,
that sort of everything else goes out of your head
of but it doesn't it you end up doing things.
But yeah, look yeah, absolutely, I think for many of us.
I mean, there are obvious benefits to being outside and nature,
and often when I talk to people, you know, people

(01:22:58):
have a semi spiritual connection. And I don't mean that
in any dismissive way at all, but you know, a
semi spiritual connection. Many people were nature and talk about
that impact for them, which is great, and obvious physical
benefits too, you know you're out there walking or running
or cycling or trying to swim with a double wave
or whatever it is. But you know, mental health benefits too,

(01:23:21):
and we know that even just to getting like two
or three hours of sustained time out in nature really
helps reduce stress and improves people's sleep. And one of
the one of the studies around this was the longitudinal study,
because often that's the thing is you sort of people
go out for a short time those years I feel

(01:23:43):
better and it's like, well, you know, are you just
saying that? But they've tracked twenty thousand people who moved
who moved around the country. This was in the UK,
and they found that those who moved to green spaces
or so off and out into a rural area had
an improven in their mental health that lasted over two
years when they followed them up. So I think that's

(01:24:05):
you know, that's a really good sort of indication about
how long this benefit can last for us.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
That's interesting. What do they put it down to, Like,
is it you know, can you work out why it
gives us this benefit? Or is it just one of
those kind of like to me, it's almost like cosmological.
I think that's the right. I think that's right astrological.
I can never well in the in that it's kind
of a it's quite a it's quite a grounding and

(01:24:32):
humbling experience to be with nature, because you realize, you know,
in a world where we're so focused on ourselves in
our immediate existence and the people in our lives, to
be reminded of your relative insignificance and the kind of
you know, the kind of beauty of the greater space
that you've been brought and born into, I suppose can

(01:24:53):
be quite a I don't know, it's kind of a
I find it quite a humbling but also strangely nourishing thing.

Speaker 16 (01:25:00):
Yeah, yeah, And nourishing, I think is a great word. A.
And I know that I have this season, you know,
when I take the dogs for a walk, which I'm
sort of trying to plan on doing today but in
Wellington as the weather does not look like it's going
to help me doing that. But even just getting out there,
I just just feel a real relaxation. It's just I
can just there's that sense of just relaxing and de stressing. Look,

(01:25:24):
even when I stand out on our balcony and we've
got this deck that sort of sits across the top
of the trees, you just breathe in and it feels
I don't know if this is true, but it feels
like there's extra oxygen floating around and it's just like, ah,
just I almost feel that the stress drip away, which is.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
You know, amazing.

Speaker 16 (01:25:46):
But look, I think the other thing too that a
recent study twenty twenty five study has shown is the
impact And this is fascinating. I found the impact actually
on people's perception of pain. And they found that that
people's experience of pain actually reduces when they are in nature.

(01:26:07):
And this is they've looked at this in two ways.
They asked people, you know, do you feel more or
less pain?

Speaker 6 (01:26:11):
So the great thing.

Speaker 16 (01:26:13):
About this study was they were giving people electric shocks,
which is classic old classic trek and psychology, shock your
participants and see what they say.

Speaker 20 (01:26:22):
Tricky getting ethical approval, but there you go.

Speaker 16 (01:26:25):
So yeah, people said, yes, I rate the pain as
less when I'm looking at a nature of scenic view.
But not only did people say that, they also they
were also scanning their brain at the same time with
an MRI, a functional MRA, and they found that the
strength of the pain signals in the brain was actually reduced,

(01:26:47):
so suggesting that that nature has a real, an actual
analgesic biological effect on us in our brains, which I
just thought was quite an amazing study, isn't.

Speaker 9 (01:26:59):
It's just like, I mean, if I.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Was dondergoing an amputation or something like that, I think
they'll still go for the harder stuff. But yeah, I
mean that does it does kind of make sense? Yeah,
I mean it kind of strangely intuitively makes sense. That
sounds a bit whisking. I know it does sound a
bit like lala, but yeah, I know I can believe
it because I mean, if you feel better, like if
you feel better going outside, you feel better, taking the

(01:27:22):
dog for you feel better, you know, going and feeling
the elements on your face, then is it crazy to
think that actually you would feel less bad during a
painful experience. I don't think it is yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:27:34):
Yeah, no, no, I know what you mean. There is
something intuitively, oh yeah, that makes perfect sense and nice
to but often, you know, people can just say, oh, well,
you know, that's just people's perception, and that's still real.
I'm not just dossing that at all. But noticing that
it's even got, you know, an actual reduced pain signal

(01:27:54):
in the brain, I thought was really amazing. I think
the takeaway is getting out, getting out at least sort
of two to three hours a week if you can,
and doing that in blocks of at least thirty minutes.
We know that that you need to be out there
for at least about thirty minutes to rarely get that hit.
So five minutes around the block at lunchtime, it's okay,

(01:28:17):
there's nothing wrong with that, but you're not going to
get the full benefit of being out in nature. So
trying to and I know that's not easy for everybody
if you're living in an urban area, but trying to
get out at least two or three hours a week
if possible, and at least in thirty minute chunks. If
that's doable for you.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Nice, that's such good advice. I thanks so much. Doogle
appreciate your time. As always, Google Subbland from Umbrella Well
Being with us this morning It's seventeen past eleven Our
travel correspondence and next with his all time favorite most
trusted travel apps The Things that you need on your
phone if you're heading off on your adventure.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Travel with Wendy wu Tours Where the World Is Yours book.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Now when he passed the leave it Mike Yardley's our
travel corresponding, good morning.

Speaker 20 (01:29:03):
I am gripped by the green eyed monster jectaim.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
It's so rich coming from you. I just feel like
you that we can never hear those words out of
Mike Godley's voice. I mean, he's You've spent the last
month telling us about your excursions in the Galapagus Islands.

Speaker 20 (01:29:21):
This morning. I woke up this morning and I seem
very jealous that all those people have been to an
oasis concert overnight. I am so ends. And then I
hear you in Costa Rica.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Ah, I know, it's amazing. I'm very very lucky. I'm
only here for I think we're here for like six
days or a week or so. So we're not seeing
all of the country. And I'm this is the first
sort of dipping the toe into adventure with children, which
is a new stage of life for me. And so
I'm just kind of just trying to, you know, learn
the balance between the things that I might have once

(01:29:52):
done or the things that you know, might need to
be held off a little bit. How many things can
be crammed into a day, those sorts of things, you know,
you know, whether or not the the the flooded four
wheel drive tracks should be navigated today, or whether or
not we should just go for a go go to
the Tarsil road instead of that kind.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
Of Yeah, it's a good start.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Yeah, and great great to you know, to be in
a place where we can expose the kids to a
little bit of culture. So I'm very lucky, indeed, but
this morning I wish we'd had you last week. Actually,
you have some fantastic advice your favorite travel apps, and honestly,
with the advent of cell phone technology in the digital age,
traveling has arguably never been easier. So what is your

(01:30:40):
preference to Google Maps?

Speaker 20 (01:30:42):
Yeah, well, I do love Google Maps if I'm road tripping,
and obviously Google Maps has become a fixture in our lives.
But if you're overseas, say on foot or on a
bike or taking public transport, I actually reckon City Mapper
is a better option. And the reason for that, Jack
is that just as very very steavy the way it

(01:31:02):
optimizes your journey to give you the quick quickest route
from where you are and where you want to go.
And then I've got some other little funny features like
the walking and ciphering options will show you the calorie
boon and compare it to food and drink, you know,
like one and a half a larvees or a cheeseburger. Yeah, right,
And then it's also integrated with Uber, so if you

(01:31:24):
go on city Maper and you need an Ober, you
can actually book it from that app and about four
hundred cities worldwide.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Right, Okay, well that's interesting. Yeah. I am usually a
big fan of Google Maps as well, but I have
been using ways well, okay, WAZD, which I think is
they use that and maybe in Brazil and a few
other countries as well, which is kind.

Speaker 20 (01:31:44):
Of very South America.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
Yeah yeah, but they people add was very South America
because that people add the hazards, so other moment. So
when you're driving along, it says in one hundred and
fifty meters there will be a giant pothole. And I
mean in South America, every one hundred and fifty meters
as a giant pothole. But these are the biggest of
the big potholes. These are the Olympic sized swimming pool
hothole potholes, so that could be quite useful too.

Speaker 20 (01:32:09):
I am I'm a virgo, so I have a tragic
obsession trying to be a super organized So yeah, trip
it is right up my street, Jack. So what you
do is you get the app, you're loading your email address,
send it all of your reservations in your boxings, you know,
whether it's flightscar higher, hotels, tours, and tripp it just
automatically curates the lot into this beautifully organized itinery and

(01:32:33):
you can sync it with your calendar. You can send
the trippet itinery to friends and family, really shareable, and
then there's also a paid premium version which I've actually
been checking out and it's very accurate. So it's got
all these live smart features. So if you've got like
a delay or disruption, you know, airport or whatever, you'll
get a notification, you'll get real time risk alerts. So

(01:32:55):
let's oppost you somewhere and there's a terror attack, Boom,
it will tell you straight away, gate change information at
the airport, all that sort of stuff. It's like a
one stop shop.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
That's so good. Oh yeah, I mean that's I didn't
even know that it existed. That sounds a really really
useful little bit of technology. And what about for outdoorsy,
nature loving travelers, whatever would you recommend? What should they download?

Speaker 20 (01:33:18):
There are so many options, but let me super quickly
give you four. First of all, do not leave home
without downloading all trails producer Libby and we are raving fans.
There's over a four hundred and fifty thousand trails listed
there at the moment, and it's regularly updated by the apps.
Global users lots of searchable tracks wherever you happen to

(01:33:43):
be or are heading to, and even for like off
the grid hikes, you can easily use the downloadable maps
and it will still be GPS tracking location available on
those as well. For Stargaze and Jack iPhone users. A
lot of iPhone users will have the night Sky at
If you're on Android, download Delarium I love so Delarium.

(01:34:05):
So with both apps you can pinpoint constellations and planets
overhead by simply pointing your phone into the sky. And
then there's all the other superical things like where is
the International Space Station at the moment and when is
it going to fly above me? Also speaking of big things,
Peak Lens I love Peak Lens. So this app allows

(01:34:26):
you just point your phone at any mountain pretty much
in the world and you will find out what you
were looking at. And similarly to your experiences in Costa Rica,
I must mention birding. When I was an ecuador at
Mishpi Lodge, I came across Merlin bird. This is such
a cool lapse. So this swiftly identifies exactly what bird

(01:34:49):
comes into view of your phone, and then it stacks
with all these fun facts. It gives you bird call,
so you can talk to the bird and it works worldwide,
and it even worked on the house sparrows outside in
my backyard this morning. Great fun, quietly addictive. Yeah, yeah
very good.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
So do you could you know the neighborhood bird counts on.

Speaker 20 (01:35:11):
At the moment right, Yes, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
This would be great for that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Yeah, this would be perfect for that. Okay, great, So
what about for food and drink? Any good advice?

Speaker 20 (01:35:20):
Yeah, for food is I would say go with in
the no local knowledge every time, and a really good
app for that is Yelp. You may have come across
yelp Jack. It's very popular in the States. In fact,
I've noticed Americans they will use yelp, you know, sort
of like second nature when they're going out. So it's

(01:35:40):
actually available all around the world, but really good for
staking up the best eats and the destination you're going to.
You can book reservations directly in the app. You can
order take away food on the app. So yeah, Yelp
is fabulous. And if you're a bit of a coffee snob,
oh my goodness. I've only recently come across this this
roasters app r STRs and your Cup will run it over.

(01:36:05):
So it's about seventeen thousand cafes and more than one
hundred countries and it's all focused on specialty artisan roasters.
There are a lot of news on this app, which
I was impressed to see. But yeah, it'll come with
like tasting notes and recommendations and reviews. R STRs really good.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Oh nice, So I know you like finding kind of
quirky sites and attractions on your travel. Is there an
it for that?

Speaker 17 (01:36:30):
There is?

Speaker 20 (01:36:31):
I adore Atlas Obscurer. They have a website as well.
It's all free, but they are nothing beats uncovering those offbeat, curious,
less trafficked experiences, and Atlas Obscura has become like my
holy Grail guide to fit in gym. So I checked
this morning. I've currently got twenty thousand unexpected sites and

(01:36:52):
landmarks worldwide and may each come with your own little
curious story. So it's well worth a Atless Obscurer nice
and what.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
Would be the most kind of creative new traveling that
you've come across?

Speaker 20 (01:37:05):
Well, I haven't tried personally, but several of my mates
have been swearing by nanny Bag. So it's essentially a
problem solver that as to where you can leave your luggage.
So let's suppose you're staying at an airbnb. You want
to spend all day in that destination, but you've got
to check out at ten, or perhaps you've got a
few hours to kill somewhere but don't want to clatter

(01:37:26):
your heavy suit case across cobblestones. This is where nanny
Bag enters the fray. So nanny Bag links you up
with like shopkeepers, hoteliers, businesses, train stations, anywhere that offers
safe storage space for your baggage. So it comes to
the location map, real time reviews, all the storage costs
are listed and it's worldwide.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
Very cool, amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
That's such a good idea, such a simple idea, but
it's such a good idea. Yeah, okay, can I add
one more? Mic Can I just say this is a
really simple one, and I promise I'm not being paid
to say this, but I use whys Do you use wise?

Speaker 20 (01:38:03):
Yes, I've come across wives.

Speaker 6 (01:38:04):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
So it's basically it's like it's kind of like a
like a debit card that you can use overseas, but
they have much much more competitive rates for exchange rates
than banks, so you kind of pay a small one
off fee for each exchange that you do and you
get the real time exchange rates. So if you google
an exchange rate between countries, you get that as opposed
to getting the bank one. And then you can set

(01:38:26):
up on the app you can set up automatic transfers. So,
for example, if the New Zealand dollar was really weak
as it has been, against the against the green back.
You can wait until you can say, right, if the
US dollar hits sixty six cents at any time, then
I want you to transfer the two hundred dollars I've
got on here into US dollars immediately, so you can

(01:38:47):
set up kind of a threshold where the automatic transfers happen.
So I use that, And I also like having it
because when you travel, I don't want to have my
kind of credit card on me all the time because
I feel like if I had it taken off me
or was stolen or I lost it or something, then
you know, potentially on the hook for a lot more money.
And you can kind of you know, by having a

(01:39:07):
preloaded debit card and the app wise that goes along
with it, you can kind of stay on stay on
top of things that way as well. That's my we tip.

Speaker 20 (01:39:15):
Yeah, that's a good recommendation. I know a number of
people have been using it recently and yeah, they reckon.
It's been very very trusty.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
Yeah, it's so, I mean, it's it's just a visa
it's you know, it's basically because you can get a
physical visa card with it as well and the app,
so you can use both, which I just find it.
I find it super reliable and like so for this trip,
because we were going to Canada and Costa Rica, I
could exchange some money into Canadian dollars and exchange some
money into the the golon is which are used here

(01:39:42):
in Costa Rica, and then also have some US dollars
on there as well, so you can have multiple currencies.
So yes, why is the name of that which is
my foundation? Very good? All right, thank you so much
for that, really appreciate it. We're going to make sure
that Mike's top apps for heading out in your next
adventure are up on the news Talks he'd be website,
so you can make sure they are downloaded before you depart.

(01:40:03):
It's just after eleven thirty, Yeah, with Jactaime.

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
On Newstook, getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
It's Saturday morning with Jack team on news TALKSB I got.

Speaker 18 (01:40:19):
That's names good, that's night, good night.

Speaker 15 (01:40:27):
That's a days.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
The producer Libby who chose this, so don't put the
commentator's curse on me. That being said, I do feel
cautiously optimistic about the All Blacks first test of twenty
twenty five. We are what seven hours and thirty minutes
from kickoff, and this afternoon on weekend Sport, Jason Pine
is going to be broadcasting live from Emerson's Brewery as

(01:40:53):
he counts down to kick off.

Speaker 14 (01:40:54):
Get a poney, what a terrible job this is, I
have to say, Jack, when you get the chance to
not only come to the city where the first test
of the year is taking place in seven and a
half hours, as you say, but to broadcast from the
icon like Emerson's Brewery and the lead up to it,
I don't think it gets much better than this, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
Yeah, I just thought, you know, when the boss was
looking at the travel itinery and was sending it through,
they probably weren't going to be happening to promise double
per diems or anything like that. Nothing like that, nothing
like that. Yeah, So it's I mean that being said,
it is a funny old game, right, Eight debutants in
the France team for today, which you know, given you

(01:41:36):
know they've got a whole stack of stars who've been
left at home after the domestic final, is a bit
of a shame. But then you have twop of a
starting at six for the all backs, which is a
curious thing as well. Still debate around that ten position.
But how are you feeling about it tonight? Yeah, I'm
looking forward to it. I think first test of the year.

Speaker 14 (01:41:51):
You know, the All Blacks aren't going to be perfect
in the first test of the year, but there's always
high excitement around you know some of the things. And
I think you know, Razors helped us out with a
few selections in terms of talking points, as you say,
took Paul Vatti on the blindside flank. I don't think
anybody picked that. Riko Yoani shifting out to the wing.
I think a lot of people wanted to see that
but weren't sure whether he would do it. Billy procked

(01:42:13):
her into the centers.

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
I love that.

Speaker 14 (01:42:14):
And the debutantes, I mean, Fabian Holland, what a story.
This is the you know, the young kid from the
Netherlands who who looked towards New Zealand as the rugby
capital of the world and thought, well, I want to
chase my dream. That's where I need to go. And
here he is, you know, interned and where he made
his provincial and super rugby debut and will tonight make
his test stapoo. What a story for Fabian Holland Christian

(01:42:37):
Leo Willie will debut to see Karifi Oli Norris as well. Look,
I think it'd be drawing along bow jack to suggest
that France would be able to push the All Blacks
in one or any of these three tests. But it's
a test one of the year, so there's always a
bit of extra excitement about what might play out tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, you never know where the French
team as well, Right, don't go on about this, but
I mean like, if there was ever you know, if
there was ever a team that was going to upset things,
even we thought the All Backs were looking a little
more settled than they were in the first season under Raiser,
then you know, a team with eight divitons would be
the team. Yeah, will surely be the team to do it.
What do you make of this remarkable under nineteen men's

(01:43:18):
basketball results? So the three of the semi finals of
the World Cup after defeating the hosts Switzerland in the
early hours of this morning. Now they're going to face
the US and the semifinals, so that is a pretty
tough ask, but what an incredible achievement.

Speaker 14 (01:43:31):
Absolutely love this. Got up this morning to watch this
game and they were behind by ten, just heading towards
half time, thought or maybe it comes to an end here,
as you say, against the host nation. But man, this
is a generational team. Five of this squad were also
in the under seventeen team that last year made the
semi finals of their World Cup. So to emulate that
with you know, a bunch of new faces. Look, I

(01:43:51):
think what's happened with basketball now, Jack, is that these
players and it's a bit like football. You and I've
talked about this. They go to these tournaments now not
just happy to be there, not just happy to participate.
They go into these tournaments to win games and to
go deep. And look, I think it would be it
would be a pretty old domestic New Zealand basketball fan
to suggest that they could beat the United States tomorrow.
But what an opportunity for these guys, many of who

(01:44:13):
are either in college in the United States or shortly
heading over there, so they're going to be playing these
guys anyway. I think this is a is a absolute
you know, this is a chance for another golden generation.
We remember the team that made it all the way
to the semi finals of the World Cup in the
early two thousands, you know Pero Cameron, Phil Jones, Mark Ticle,
Sean Marks and others. Well, Phil Jones' son, Hayden Jones,

(01:44:38):
is one of the stars of this team. And I'll
tell you what, he could be just as good of
not better than his old man from what I can see,
so exciting times. Matt Lacy's their coach, got him on
the show this afternoon, so we'll unpack that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
That'd be great, Yeah, looking forward to it. He enjoy
this afternoon, enjoy the game tonight. We really appreciate your time, finey,
and we'll catch again very soon. Jason come man. Jack
Backs with Weekend Sport live from Emerson's Brewery in Dunedin
as they count down to the All Blacks France kickoff
just after seven o'clock this evening. Don't forget, of course,
we're going to have live commentary of the All Backs
first Test for twenty twenty five. Coverage and the countdown

(01:45:12):
starts from six pm on News Talk this evening, and
of course we'll have the game call live just after
seven o'clock. Thank you for your feedback, Jack, regarding taking
your toddle for a swim, You're an absolute clown. Don't
turn you back to the sea. I totally agree. I
take that on the chin wasn't very smart. I was
in the shallows. I should not have had my back
to the sea. Fortunately there were Like the double wave

(01:45:32):
that hit us wasn't like a massive one. It wasn't
a waist high or anything like that. It just splashed
the little one on the face. So he was a
little bit surprised. Jack. You're broadcasting from Costantica this morning.
Do you have a special setup? Is it as simple
as using your work laptop with some headphones and a
good mic or anything like that. Well, the thing is
that the technology in this department does tend to improve
over the years. So in the past, like I remember broadcasting,

(01:45:56):
we did a show once from Alaska of all places,
and it was very complicated. We needed all sorts of
special equipment and a special broadcast unit called a brick.
These days, with the likes of all the streaming action
of things like Zoom and those things have made the
end to end communicative Internet enabled systems so much better

(01:46:18):
than they used to be. But of course we have
you know, professional microphones and that kind of thing. But yeah,
you basically anywhere with good Internet. You can do a
good broadcast these days, well hopefully you can that. The
real question is what happens when the internet drops out,
you know. But anyway, thank you for that. I'll get
to worrow your feedback before before the end of the
show this morning, We're going to make sure we save
some time for some new music from Kesher. Next up,

(01:46:38):
though your book picks for this weekend. It's twenty to
twelve on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
Seventeen to twelve on Newstalks EDB, Katherine Rains has her
to read recommendations for us this weekend. Kilder Catherine Morning, Jack, Okay,
two box to talk through. Let's begin with The White Crow,
which is by Michael Robotham, the second in his Filamina
McCarthy series.

Speaker 7 (01:47:07):
So, Philamina is the daughter of a notorious gangster who's
the leader of a local crime family. And she had
severed ties with her family when she became a police
constable in London, and I've had a bit of a
reconciliation or a bit of a truce when she married Henry,
who happens to be a fireman, but now it passes
about to collide and she's on patrol in the middle

(01:47:28):
of the night AND's on a three am food run
for her colleagues at the Kentish Town Police station and
she spots this child in pajamas wandering the street and
it turns out it's five year old Daisy kemp Low
and she says that she can't wake her mum, and
Filhmina goes to learn why, and then across town her
colleagues are called to the jewelry store Robbie robbery, which

(01:47:49):
happens to net the thieves about four million pounds and
the owner's been tied to a chair with a bomb
stretcher's chest and there's a lot to suggest that Philamina's
family may be involved, and so before all the matters
are resolved, they're more deaths and extortion and black man
in abduction and along with this great cast characters, and
there's lots of twists and turns and miss direction misdirection,

(01:48:11):
and it's a really good, brilliantly written crime fiction. And
Michael Robotam does this very well.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
Nice okay, cool, Yeah, he's yeah, like the first Philamy
and McCarthy. The story, I know, had a lot of praise,
A lot of people absolutely love that so great that
he's followed it up so quickly. So that's The White
Crow by Michael Rowbotham. Next up, This Is Not a
Game a Novel by Kellie Mullen.

Speaker 7 (01:48:36):
So ADDIE's video game developer and she's having lots of
business and relationship conflicts and she gets this call from
her grandmother, Mimi, asking her to attend a party on
Mechanic Island in Michigan. And her grandmother has been invited
to this charity auction party by a neighbor, a woman
called Jane Ireland, and she hates her, and there's a

(01:48:57):
black mail demand that's come along with this party invitation,
and so she wants Addie to come along with her
for moral support. And so they attend and then their hostess, Jane,
turns up dead and there's a snowstorm that traps them
in the house, and Addie and her grandmother are trying
to team up to solve the murder themselves, and it's
one of those coziest locked in room mysteries, and the

(01:49:21):
house and guest party goes a really unique blend of
people that are weird. They're suspicious, sometimes delightful and other
times completely vile, and every character, of course, raises suspicion.
And the house is huge, and it has its own
secrets and secret passageways, and it's one of those perfect
who Done It books. And the book itself is kind

(01:49:41):
of atmospheric, and it's fast paced and gripping, and there's
plenty of humor in it, and it pulls inspiration from
the likes of those Golden age locked room murder mysteries
like Agatha Christie. And it's perfect for curling up on
a Sunday afternoon and not doing too much, to be honest,
a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
Of escapism of a weekend. We love it. Okay, cool,
Thank you. This is not a game. A novel by
Kelly Mullen. Catherine's first recommendation for us the White Crow
by Michael Robotam, and both of those will be up
on the news Talk Said b website. A couple of
people on the text just asking about the bird app
that Mike Yardly recommended this morning in our travel segment.
It's called Merlin Bird. Merlin like the Wizard Merlin Bird.

(01:50:20):
But you can find all of Mike's app recommendations on
the website as well. Thirteen to twelve new music for
you from Kesher next.

Speaker 1 (01:50:27):
Giving you the inside scoop on All You Need to
Us Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and Bpure dot co
dot Nz for high quality supplements.

Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
US Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
That is Kesher. The song is delusional. She just released
a brand new album to coincide with the fourth of
July in the US. The album is called Period, and
it is the first album she's released as an independent artist.
The Stale Clifford music reviewer is with us this morning.

Speaker 21 (01:51:15):
Stell Yeah, yolder period as in full stop like ed Shearon,
you know he's doing like plus minus all that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
I was trying to work this out. Is it period
end of full stop? Is that the name of the album.
So it's just it's just a period, like yeah, because
Americans say period, right, that's the end of that period.

Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:51:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:51:35):
And it's a great place, isn't it? Market in the set, No,
we're clear our market in the sund She's gone like
nearly decades with of drama with Doctor Luke and she's
finally out of her contract. She had to wait about
six months until she was allowed to make and release
music again. So this is an album she's released under
her own record label, and she says that her goal

(01:51:56):
for it was to create a safe space for people
to feel fully embodied and liberated, unfiltered and fearless. Now
it's not just unfiltered at times, it's actually a bit unhinged.
So if you think of the hot mess of kit
show in like twenty ten when she was brushing her
teeth with a bottle jack, we are kind of right
back into that. Like that is her, that's her pop?

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
Was that song twenty ten?

Speaker 21 (01:52:21):
Yes, don't count the years. It's okay, it's all right,
but how cool you?

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
I listened to her this morning. Sorry, I'll come vict her.
I listened to it this morning, and because I love
that song. You see, TikTok is the song that Estella's
referencing here. I love it song. It's such an ear
wom And I was like, oh, yeah, it's been you know.
I do love that song. And I mentioned it to
Libya producer, and Libby said, yeah, that was the best
song at my year eight disco bad For God's sake.

Speaker 21 (01:52:50):
We've bonded over music different eras, but we've bonded over music.

Speaker 8 (01:52:53):
Where we heard it, I.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
Would have seen it was about three years old. If
you'd asked me, I would have seen the years. She
really said about twenty twenty two, you know.

Speaker 21 (01:53:00):
Apparently the time. I think the great thing is she's
gone back to that. But we really loved her and
she was really fully embodying that. Just power like and
just say it how she means it. I mean, she's
full of swears on this album, so it's quite explicit.
But I think that she comes from, you know, fully
tongue in chic with her lyrics in where she's going.

(01:53:21):
Sometimes it's a persona.

Speaker 8 (01:53:23):
I don't think she's.

Speaker 21 (01:53:24):
Tongue in chic in her belief now in her self praise,
in her recognition of surviving some pretty icky stuff so
her career, and it really puts some brakes on it.
So this is her being like, well, I'm back just
doing what it is I like to do. And yeah,
like I say, unhinged electro pop. At times, she's doing
that thing that everyone's trying where you throwing some pop country.

(01:53:47):
There's a song called Yippie Kaye doesn't follow through with
a full die Hard quote. Yeah, yeah, but it's very
You know, if she was doing it with Shaboozie, you
wouldn't be surprised because it's kind of where everyone's at
with that country pop crossover, some big catchy riffs, choruses.
Delude there has got that kind of sentimental powerbillity thing

(01:54:10):
that kind of surprises you a little bit, like it's
not all. I've sort of summarized this album as being
a bit fluty and dirty because I feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
Okay, I like that, Yeah, fluty and dirty. That's kind
of where she's at.

Speaker 21 (01:54:22):
And she's sort of back doing there, and I wonder like,
is everyone ready or okay to go back to where
we were in twenty twenty twenty five?

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
And I think we are?

Speaker 21 (01:54:32):
Yeah, Yeah, Like I just I think that's what she
does really well. I don't know that she's pushing boundaries
sonically and pop music. She's definitely pushing buttons, yeah, And
I kind of love her for there's some this. It
opens with a song called Freedom, and I think Lovey's
got a little bit of it actually here It's got
this piano surge and very hypnot at whales and then

(01:54:55):
her big voice that comes to hello listen like it
kind of almost don't expect this like jelicky, kind of
big vocal, and then it turned into like Acquire sing
along featuring a sex shop on some swears.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
Sorry, okay, you know what I mean? Likesh know, blirty
and dirty. Yeah, it's hazy. Okay, So why did you
give it?

Speaker 11 (01:55:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:55:22):
Me, Look, I think it's I think it's good. I
think she can push more. I'm going to give it
a seven out of ten.

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
All right, I'm looking forward to listening to it because
obviously I'm a bit of a Kesha fan from way back.
So seven out of ten for period. But Kesha is free.
She's recording music under her own independent label, which I'm
sure she's delighted about. Thank you so much, as seal.
We'll listen to a bit more in a couple of minutes.
Six to twelve on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with
Jack Day and the fewer dot Co dot ins head
for high Quality Supplements News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
Well, Jason Pine is live standing by at Emerson's Brewery
and Dunedan counting down to the All Blacks, France and
the All Backs first Test of twenty twenty five seven o'clock.
This evening, of course, news Talks dB will have live commentary.
The voice of Rugby Elliot Smith is there counting down
the hours. That's us though, for another Saturday Morning together.
Thank you for all your text and emails throughout the morning,

(01:56:16):
and to my wonderful producer Libby for doing all the
tough stuff. We are back next Saturday morning from nine o'clock.
Until then, all of the stuff from our show this
morning will be on the News Talks EDB website. Right
now though it has just come up to twelve o'clock,
which means the news is next. Have a great week.
You'll see you next Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
to News Talks ed B from nine am Saturday, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.

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