Full Show Podcast: 07 March 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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More in a good morning. Welcome to news doalg V.
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(01:16):
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(01:38):
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of inspiration. Right now, it's eight minutes past.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Nine, Jack Team.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
My wife is Iranian. So the only reason, well, I guess,
the only reason she's in New Zealand, the only reason
that we're together, the only reason that we are living
our safe, peaceful, happy lives is that her parents had
the courage and good fortune to escape a terrible regime.

(02:17):
They faced extraordinary persecution in Iran for their beliefs. They've
still got family back home, and to say that it
has been an interesting week in our household would be
an understatement. I've been buried in the news, just buried
in it, like even more than usual. But you know

(02:37):
how it's just like so much coming at you all
at once. It's like a fire hose with all of
the confusion and noise that comes in the immediacy of everything.
I have been reflecting a bit on three little components,
So three different things that I think have been underappreciated
over the last week and are worth pointing out. So

(03:00):
the first is the asymmetric component to the war on
That kind of sounds all grandiose, but my sense, at
least from the US side of things, is that Donald
Trump sees this as a conventional war with conventional armies.
His jets are bombing the Iranian military institutions and defenses,

(03:23):
his military is targeting their military, His submarine is torpedoing
their warship. And he said this morning the war will
only end when Iran unconditionally surrenders, except, of course, even
if Iran does decide to unconditionally surrender, which I don't know,
seems unlikely to me, but who knows, Maybe they will,

(03:43):
that won't be it. That won't be the end of things.
In terms of conventional military firepower, Israel and the US
are obviously vastly better resourced than Iran, right but what
Iran or its proxies can do is attack soft targets.
What Iran can do is resource small pockets of radical

(04:06):
people and countries all around the world to inflict outsized
pain and terror. Think about it that there are billions
of Muslims, there are hundreds of millions of Shia who
will be watching the war this week, and while I'm
sure many absolutely detest the Iranian regime, I'm sure there
will be some who will view this as a war

(04:29):
on Islam, and sadly, I think if we have learned
anything this century, it's not if we've learned anything this century.
I think it's that the conflict is very likely to
inspire terrorism in the future. It might not come in
the next few weeks. It might not come in the
next few months, but that's almost the point, right, You

(04:51):
never quite know. The second component I've been thinking about
is the nuclear dimension to all of this. So if
I were another country watching the events of this week,
there are two ways that I might look at things.
I might draw a direct line between Iran's nuclear program
and the war and conclude that even entertaining the idea

(05:13):
of a bomb might end up getting me assassinated. Or
I might compare the fate of Iran or Libya or
Ukraine with that of North Korea and conclude that the
only way to absolutely one hundred percent guarantee and fully

(05:36):
protect my sovereignty in a messed up world is to
get a nuclear weapon. I think it's very likely. I
think it's extremely likely that this war will lead to
other countries pursuing the bomb. And the third thing that
I've been reflecting on a bit is international law. And

(05:57):
I know this all kind of you know, gets a
bit wishy washy, and you know, it sounds like a
kind of utopian thing, but I really think it's worth
thinking about, because, look, maybe the US will try and
present some evidence about Iran posing an imminent threat. Maybe
they will, but the relative futility of Iran's response so
far has proved they didn't pose an imminent threat, certainly

(06:21):
not to the United States. I thought it was telling,
actually that when Donald Trump made that video address, you
know how, he released a two minute video announcing the strikes,
he didn't even bother trying to make a legal case
about the US facing an imminent threat. And yet, and yet,

(06:43):
the same Western countries that have been wittering on about
the importance of international law and the rules based order
have explicitly supported the strikes, or, in the case of
New Zealand, lamely refused to be drawn on their legality.
I just don't understand why people can't appreciate it's possible

(07:04):
to both abhor the Iranian regime and demand that the
likes of the US live up to the most basic
elements of international law. You can expect both of those things, right,
You can have both of those thoughts in your head
at the same time, and you know, just imagine a
hypothetical scenario, right, But imagine a scenario a few months

(07:25):
from now where I don't know, imagine a Chinese fleet
occupies a reef within the exclusive economic zone of a
Pacific nation. Right, a hypothetical scenario. But just imagine that
Chinese fleet pulls up and occupies a reef within the
exclusive economic zone of another Pacific country. What would we do?

(07:47):
What we'd bleat about international law?

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Lol?

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Sorry, I just think there's every reason to think that
the events of this week have proved once and for
all that the concept of international law is basically dead.
But from New Zealand's perspective, what else do have? What
are the levers to exert influence on the world if

(08:12):
we cannot demand that our friends and partners play by
the rules. I'm sorry, but why on earth should we
expect anyone else to Team ninety two. Ninety two is
our text number if you want to send me your
message this morning. Jacket Newstalks here, b dot co dot
m Z is my email address if you are going
to send me a text, don't forget that standard text
costs apply. We are going to look at race weekend

(08:34):
in Melbourne. This weekend, My gosh, there's a massive weekend
of sport. You've got what Blues says tonight AFC. You
had what they've got the black Caps Sunday Night, Monday Morning,
New Zealand Time Track and Field Champs to so much
to be excited about this weekend. And then after ten
o'clock really really looking forward to this. My friend and colleague,

(08:56):
Barbara Driver, the one and only Barbara Drever, the iconic
Barbara Driver, is going to be with us in studio.
She just released a brand new book called Be Brave,
which tells her story is I don't know, maybe the
world's best known Pacific correspondence. Shall She'll be here with
us very shortly. Right now, it's quarter past nine. Kevin
Milner is in next, I'm Jack Tame. It's Saturday morning,
and this is News Talks he'd be no.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack. Yeah,
Saturday morning with Jack Team News Talk said, b.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Thank you for your messages. Vast numbers of texts have
come in, everyone thinking I'm deluded. Of course, that's right.
Ninety two ninety two is the text number. Lots of
people saying, oh Jack, oh, you don't know anything about Iran. Yep,
that's probably true. And married to an Iranian refugee, that's right.
My entire in law's leader Rhan because of the oppressive regime.
But thank you for that. Jack, You are deluded. There

(09:48):
is no international law, there is no enforcement because the
UN is toothless. I mean, it's true that that the
fact that the Security Council still has the power of
veto means that it's very difficult to get some sort
of a UN mandate. What's interesting, though, like compare it
to Iraq, is that at least with im shouldn't even
say at least but with a rack, it's interesting, right,
with a rack. They tried that. They kind of went

(10:10):
through the motions of trying to build a case. They said, oh,
you know, this is it. We've got evidence, this is
a weapons of mass destruction, et cetera, et cetera. They
went through the motions. They had the veneer of pursuing legitimacy,
whereas Trump doesn't care about that necessarily. It's just it's
interesting how much has changed over the last twenty two

(10:31):
years or so. I'll get to more of your text
in a couple of minutes. Ninety two ninety two if
you want to send us a number this morning, nineteen
past nine, and Kevin Milne is with us, killder Kevin cured.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
Yes, I can't imagine how a difficult work it's been, really,
and I've been thinking about Marvor and Marver's family, and yes,
you will have some really really interesting insights and to
what's going on.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, there's no doubt it's complex
and tricky. Well, I don't think I necessarily am, but
I just you know, it's Yes, I certainly have had
on the regime and what it's done to its people
for a long time now, and yeah, I think it's
I think it's possible to both aboord the Iranian regime

(11:17):
and think that, you know, if if we are demanding,
if we say we believe in the rules based order,
we say we believe in international law, then at the
very least demanding the Americans provide some evidence of an
inminate threat. I think it's pretty reasonable. I just think,
I mean, I don't think international law, you know. I
think it's a nice lofty ambition. I'm realistic about the

(11:39):
kind of nature of international law and the UN and
everything in this day and age. But I just point
out that New Zealand has nothing else to lean on,
that We've got absolutely no other levers, We've got no
other cards to play moment. And I find it interesting
that this year so far, you know, you think about
Mark Kanyon, the rupture in the world order, and all
of these kind of grandiose pronouncements about the importance of
the rules based order and international law, and then this

(12:01):
comes around and everyone goes, ah, yeah, oh, the rules
just don't apply to our mates. I just yeah, except
for the Spanner, which is interesting. The Spanishes have come
out and have earned Trump's ire As a response anyway, Kevin, yeah, obviously, Yeah,
it's a bit of a point, but rather late in
life this week, you have made an interesting discovery.

Speaker 5 (12:21):
Yes, So I'm moving into a slightly lighter note here.
Our family recently holidayed on the east coast of the country,
as opposed to the west coast of the North Island
where we normally lived. The sun was keen. We all
got up one early one morning and watched the sunrise
from the beach. We see a lot of sunsets here

(12:42):
at home, but never a sunrise, So at about five
to thirty am we're head down to the sand. The
first thing that surprised me was when the alarm went off.
It was already light. We had missed sunrise. I thought
I was expecting it to be dark prior to sunrise.
It isn't prior to sunrise. It's already light. I've always

(13:06):
assumed that sunrise is when dark turns to light. I
thought sunrise was the first shafts of light as the
sun comes up over the horizon, but no light fills
the sky well before sunrise. I've always thought dawn and
sunrise were basically the same thing, but no, they're entirely

(13:30):
different events. Dawn occurs before sunrise. In law, when dawn
provides enough light for humans to carry out activities without
the need for artificial lighting, it's known as civil dawn.
It's defined as the exact moment the center of the
sun is six degrees below the horizon, So before sunrise

(13:55):
at Sybil dawn, we can drive cars and sail boats
without artificial lighting. So Jack, what was simply going to
be a hippie sunrise experience on Babba Mob Beach turned
out to be more enlightening than expected. Dawn and sunrise
two totally different events that occur at different times. Who knew?

(14:17):
I didn't, because frankly, I've never I've never spent that
much time out of bed at that time of the day.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
It's uh, yeah, I think I would have thought dawn
and sunrise were exactly the same thing as well. I
know that obviously it gets light before the sun peaks
over the horizon. You know, I can see that. So
is it do we say that dawn is the moment
that you go from you know, it's what's that line,
it's always darkest before the dawn. Do we go Do
we say that dawn is the moment that you go

(14:47):
from that that the light starts to increase, like even
by a tiny bit.

Speaker 5 (14:55):
Yes, it is, it is, And so that's what I
thought sunrise well.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
And so okay, is there an exact time that that happens,
that's my expression. Or does it change depending on atmospheric
conditions and time of year and that kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Yeah, no, it occurs over a small period of time.
But in legal terms, there is there is an exact
time when we're allowed to use vehicles and boats and
do a whole machinery of all differences. Yes, and that's
called civil dawn and that's when there is enough light

(15:28):
to see without artificial light.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Interesting, right, So my question though, and maybe maybe we've
got a mathematician listening or someone who understands the kind
of the different equations we'd need to do here. My
question is, is there a point, like exactly sixty four
minutes and fifteen seconds before sunrise? Is there an exact point,

(15:53):
depending on where you are in the Earth, where it
starts to slowly get lighter before the sun and can
you can you measure that? Is it a consistent point?
Do you understand?

Speaker 6 (16:02):
I think what?

Speaker 5 (16:03):
I think you could do that because yeah, they know that.
As I said, the center of the civil dawns when
the sun has six degrees below the horizon, right, so
it's showing enough light. But when it starts to show light,
I imagine that the sun is you know, what is it?
Maybe ten degrees below the erosion.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah, I'm sure someone's done this. Someone must have worked.
That's very good, okay, Kevin, Look, we'll throw that open
to the text line. See if anyone can help us
with that summation. Appreciate your time this morning, Kevin, and
appreciate all of your tech. Someone messaged me and said, oh, Jack,
you know, were you calling it terrorism when Hamas struck
in Israel? And Dore I suggest that that's because I must,

(16:45):
of course is supported by the Iranian regime. Do I
suggest that's exactly the kind of thing that I think
is now more likely. Those kind of attacks on soft
civilian targets I think are now much more likely going
forward in the future, not just in Israel, but all
over the world because of this. I think it's really
easy to just look at this as a conventional war
for the time being, right for the next week or

(17:06):
next couple of weeks, but I think we will be seeing,
sadly seeing an impact from this for a long time
to come. I'll get to moor your feedback very shortly
a twenty six minutes past.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Nine, getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
Team on News talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
May nine past nine. Our sporto is Andrew Savill. He's
here this morning. Obviously had a pretty busy week so far, said,
pretty busy weekend ahead. Let's start off with the All
Blacks coach, Dave Rennie.

Speaker 7 (17:36):
Were you surprised busy week's been capped off? Trying to
work out the difference between dawn and sunrise. I've got
a migraine now.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
I mean, yeah, we knew that it got light before sunrise,
right we knew.

Speaker 7 (17:47):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, but the.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, no one's no one has yet answered me. No
one has yet answered if there's an exact time where,
because there must be a moment if it's super dark,
the moment that it starts getting a little bit lighter
in the lead up to sunrise. I wonder if that
is consistent or if that really on kind of atmospheric things,
or you know, have you.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
Ever seen the green I'm not too sure if it's
only in the States. I was in Florida and saw
the green flash where the sun sets and there's a
millisecond of the sun setting over the horizon across the
sea and there's a I don't know whether it's myth,
but well, I thought i'd saw it a green flash

(18:30):
just before the sun sets.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
I never even heard of it.

Speaker 7 (18:34):
People might like to write in about that you don't
have any mathematicians listening to you.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Obviously we attract a lot of mathematicians on the show.

Speaker 7 (18:43):
Look speaking of a new doorn. Yes, Dave really wasn't
entirely surprised. I heard Jamie Joseph was in the front runner,
initially because he coached that All Blacks fifteen team last year.
But then I think the More Disappointments panel did some
digging about both coaches. They started to lean fifty to
fifty for a while Jack, but then in the end,

(19:04):
obviously at the last couple of hurdles they started than
Jamie Joseph. I think, given his coaching record and his
coaching experience, Rennie was the right man. There's been a
lot of due diligence done with current players former players

(19:28):
of Dave Rennie's really dug deep this time, which they
needed to do after that debarkle of three or four
years ago when they appointed Scott Robertson before the World Cup. Clearly,
Dave Rennie is very big on team. Very big on culture,
very big on inclusivity of all the players. That doesn't

(19:50):
that doesn't necessarily mean he's soft. He's a firm coach.
He has a firm hand on teams that he coaches.
I saw at first hand with the Chiefs all those
years ago. Very good guy to deal with again, very calm.
He's his own men, and once he comes up with
the plan and decisions he will stick with him. He

(20:11):
won't to and fro he won't. I wouldn't. I would
imagine he wouldn't second guess himself too much with decisions.
So I think I think it's a good move. The
assistant coaches will be interesting. Drums beating very loudly for
Tatanaki MPC coach Neil Barnes. Vastly experienced forwards coach Jason
Ryan out of the current assistance, is likely to stay

(20:31):
very popular with the players. I think he reviewed well recently.
And then Andrews Strawbridge, who's well regarded for as a
skills coach and from Scotland. Mike Blair formed a Scottish
halfback I think the most capped Scottish halfback of all time.
He coaches up in Japan with Dave Renie, so he's
an option as well, but no, I think overall, and
then Dave Ready the way he handled the media on

(20:53):
Wednesday with David Kirk, I think car was oppressed too.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yeah, I think so too. All Right, massive weekend, so
we've got if one in Melbourne Super Rugby. Of course
they started with the worried.

Speaker 7 (21:04):
As mate last night. Gee whiz. There were a couple
of hairy moments near the end ten or fifteen to play,
but I thought they did very well. They're still down
a couple of key players the Warriors. The Roosters are
full of superstars, let's face it, and this would have
to be I think the Warriors best opening game to

(21:25):
a season in their in their thirty odd year history. No,
they played really well, like a Kalasima's looks like he's
going to have another huge season. And then what a
sporting weekend, right, Super Rugby, the Blues Crusader's big rivalry
game tonight, you've got the NS. It'd be kew the
four million dollar race at alis Lee today, yep awk

(21:47):
And they have seed tomorrow, the Track and Field Nationals,
the finals, the imn's in Topo, where where it should
always be the squash. New Zealand is openers in christ Yuts,
you've got Ryan Fox and Florida Formula One in Melbourne, Indy.
Did you realize IndyCar and NASCAR racing on the same
track this weekend?

Speaker 8 (22:05):
No?

Speaker 7 (22:05):
No, I mean in Phoenix, Arizona. Not at the same time, obviously, no.
But that's that's that's something different to look out for
Six Nations rugby and there's a track cycling World Cup
and Perth. So a heck of a lot, hap.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Is that is that IndyCar Nascar? If they're on the
same track, does that mean that they're not doing they're
doing an Indy car track as opposed to that both
of them are in the arena.

Speaker 7 (22:28):
They're doing an oval, but it's sort of a dog
leg oval, so it's one of those weird ovals where
they don't actually go that fast, not like the super speedways.
It's a smallish oval. But yeah, so you've got you've
got the Scotts and Marcus Armstrong and then East VG
racing in the in the NASCAR.

Speaker 9 (22:45):
So hey, a lot happening before we let you go
the cricket. The cricket, I'm going, yes, caps she whiz. Yeah,
they've got a chance, haven't they. I would imagine, Yeah,
are red hot favorites. Ye, given it's at home and
given the form of some of their batsmen. But all
you need in T twenty cricket aj, all you need
is one or two players to quick like final on

(23:07):
the other day, it was extraordinary and the black Caps
could well win this on Monday.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
You know what, I just I love that finella and
when he scored that century, scored the century absolutely, I
didn't just beat but ground the South Africans into the
du like aliterated them, and that it were that innings
brings up the winning runs by smashing a four down
the ground that also brings up one hundred, and yet

(23:31):
like takes his helmet off and like just very calmly
salutes the crowd. You know, I was thinking, if this
was an Australian, he'd be riding his cricket back like
a horse around the field and like yahooing and carry
on like a walk. Job. I just love that there's
like a real sense of like job's not done yet
was not done. I was like, yes, you know, you'd
love to see.

Speaker 7 (23:48):
It if he click at the top of the innings. Yes,
even some of those shots were just out of this
world the other day. So hopefully he's found his foreman
will carry on Monday.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, here you go. I've seen the green flash at
a sunset and hawkeey hoicker. It's just meant by Andrew Sevill.
Definitely not definitely not just a hey. Barbara Driever is
our feature interview after ten this morning. She just sits
a couple of seats down from you. So any any
key insights, any any questions I should be asking.

Speaker 7 (24:15):
For, Like myself, she's a lover of food.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Got to be careful phrasing these kind of questions. What
do you mean?

Speaker 7 (24:23):
Yeah, I didn't mean it that way, but she brings in,
she brings in elaborate lunches. Mine have face.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, okay, I'll ask her about that. Are very good
to go and draw the weekend. We're catching in very soon,
Andrew savil Our Sport. Oh there, Jack, been thinking about
you and the family all week, looking forward to your
insights and as usual, found them balance and thought provoking.
Thank you for that, Jack, I totally agree with you
this morning.

Speaker 10 (24:45):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
For goodness sake, ask a farmer or anyone who gets
up at four am. They will explain it to you,
asked Mike Hosking. He's an early riser. I'm pretty sure
they worked this out. I dawn dusk, sunrise, sunset at
about the same time as Stonehenge was constructed, says Joanne.
Ninety two. Ninety two is our text number. Twenty four
minutes to ten on Newstalks 'd be night talked to you.

(25:08):
Oh cube ride through and shoes come through my home
and I sound like, oh little is leave. Remember she
was our album of the week we well ago, maybe
the end of last year. Anyway, she's Icelandic. She's kind

(25:29):
of got a captivating sound as this is like a
little blend of jazz and classical and fuse songs and
show tunes in there as well. Anyway, she's announced she's
coming to New Zealand. She's got a special show at
Auckland Spark Arena in August. So that's great news. Twenty
one minutes to teen on News Talks, he'd be Francesca
Rudkins as our film reviewers. He's here with us this
morning and killed her morning. Two films to work through

(25:52):
this morning, two very different sounding films. So let's start
off with one that is showing in cinemas. Tell us
about serrut.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Okay, So I saw this this week and I was
so taken back. But I have to talk about this film.

Speaker 6 (26:05):
It isn't I How film by director called Oliver Luxey.
He is a regular attendee at the can Film Festival
and a regular winner.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
This particular film.

Speaker 6 (26:16):
There was a lot of height when it came out
that you know, this would be an art house kind
of crossover it of the year, and everybody's been talking
about it. It did screen on the New Zealand International
Film Festival, but it is finally now back on general
release here in New Zealand at our cinemas, just in
time for the Oscars, because it does have a handful
of OSCAR nominations, including Best International Feature, So.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
You might've heard heard about it.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
It is an existential, slow burning road trip thriller that
kind of explores how we all sort of stumbles through
life accepting what comes our way until we're sort of
faced with death or in their death experience, and the
director wants to kind of take us on this journey
through a group of lifelong ravers.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
So it also sort of takes a look at Ray Cole.

Speaker 6 (27:07):
And you know, essentially, Jack, we've all been dancing for centuries.
We have been dancing to feel something, release something, process something,
avoid something, celebrate something. You know, dancing is this way
of just being able to get to sort of get
to the bottom of who you truly are. And so
the director is also really keen to kind of look
at this culture. And so the film starts off with

(27:29):
this rave and the Moroccan desert, and it's really lovely.
It's beautiful, it's mesmerizing, the music's incredible. You just get
caught up in the visuals and the techno and it's
incredibly authentic. And it's authentic because this director loves to
work with non professional actors and he got a whole
lot of lifelong raivers who traveled from all over Europe
who came for this shoot. They basically said, you need

(27:51):
to play music his story days and will come and
so he did. And so we start there, but we
meet these two people who are very much out of place,
the father and his young son, and they're looking for
The father is looking for his daughter who disappeared six
months ago, and we.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Don't we don't know why she's disappeared.

Speaker 6 (28:07):
We don't know whether she left home, she ran away,
she left time voluntarily. We don't know how they've lost touch.
We don't know anything about their relationship. But actually it
is a bit of an issue with this film that
a lot of the characters are never put into context,
and they are so fascinating and so interesting you want
to know more about them, But it's about looking forward
at what happens next. And what happens next is that
there is a conflict hepening in a neighborhood, neighboring country.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
We don't know which.

Speaker 6 (28:30):
The army comes, breaks up the rave. Everybody sort of disappears,
gets in their trucks and their vans and their house
buses and starts disappearing. And at this point a group
of ravers sort of take off down down another road
to get out of the mix and to go off
and to find the next rave, and this father and
son join them, and they end off going on this
journey through the desert where they really do face the

(28:52):
worst that can be.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Thrown at someone in life. That happens through this film.
You think, where is this going, what's it about?

Speaker 6 (28:57):
And then there is an event that happens which is
absolutely shocking and kind of jolts you out.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Of the sort of this lovely, sort.

Speaker 6 (29:05):
Of mesmerise, sort of calmness you've found yourself in. And
then the tension just ramps up and builds and builds
and bills to the end of the film.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
You're gonna love it, You're.

Speaker 6 (29:15):
Gonna hate it. It is a visual and audio feast.
It's kind of that's what it's all about.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
It's those two things come together to take you on
this journey. It's really interesting.

Speaker 6 (29:26):
And definitely stays in your mind for a few days
after you've seen it.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Right, Yeah, I like that. I mean obviously it's affected you.
I mean, yeah, so, and there's always a good sign
of it, you know, a good piece of art.

Speaker 6 (29:40):
I found it narratively maybe a little bit unsatisfying, but
I gave into it. I'm just going to go along
the ride here and see where this end. Sure, and yeah,
and so not perfect, but it sure is interesting.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Cool. Okay, So that's Serrat. That's showing in cinemas at
the moment. Next up, something completely different, also showing in cinemas.
Let's have a listened to tenor My Name is Party.

Speaker 11 (30:05):
Very first second I heard that voice they said, why.

Speaker 12 (30:09):
He's one of the best Stanner of his generation. Your
music was everywhere growing up.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Family is everything, brothers singing, opera is their competition. But
this is the second place.

Speaker 13 (30:24):
Feel like.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
It's the story of pen A Party, of course, an
amati party in their journey from some More to platinum
selling success in solid meal.

Speaker 6 (30:35):
This is a wonderful documentary. Pena Party is actually going
to join me at ten am tomorrow morning on the
Sunday session. I do encourage people to listen. He is
such a gorgeous man. But his journey, of his journey
and amatized journey is incredible. I mean, what are the
chances that you would have two world famous tenors in
your family. Yeah, from you know some More, a Mangy,

(30:57):
you know New Zealand. They and I think what I
really enjoyed about this documentary.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yes, you see their.

Speaker 6 (31:03):
Upbringing, and you hear about their family and behind the
scenes and how hard they work. But you get a
little bit of a glimpse into what happened when they
created the band Solomeo, which we all love and you know,
so hugely popular. It was created to raise money to
help them go and train overseas. It became massive, right
they didn't intend it to do. And then there was

(31:25):
this huge pressure that pen I felt to keep going
with the band because it was allowing his family to
add people to have access to this training. And everyone
in the opera world said, you are ruining your career.
This is ruining your career, and he had to make
huge decisions and then he had to try and climb
back into the opera world. You see the incredible work

(31:46):
that goes on behind the scenes. The work ethic is extraordinary,
and not just to get there, but then to stay there.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
So all that behind the scenes information and.

Speaker 6 (31:55):
Just watching the footage of him performing on stage around
the world at some of the biggest operas.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
I defend Goosebumps the whole way.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Fantastic.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Okay, really looking forward to seeing that and to your
interview tomorrow morning. So that's tenor my name is party
any party on the Sunday session tomorrow morning with Francesca's
first film for us this morning was said rut and
both of those films, all the details will be up
at Newstalks headb dot co dot nz.

Speaker 5 (32:16):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
There can't be an exact differential between Sunrise and Dawn
is weather conditions and cloud cover play a part. That's
why Sybil Dawn has the definition that was quoted this morning,
and I only did year thirteen maths at Anna Ana, didn't.
I also say that atmospheric conditions must play a part,
and I also think that we around the world plays
apart right depending on what certainly what latitude I would

(32:38):
have thought would play a part. But anyway, if anyone
who has a slightly more astrological astronomical education is able
to get in touch and confirm that for us, would
be very much appreciated, And a couple of minutes on
news talks, he'd be a delicious pan fried fish with
potato salad recipe thirteen to ten.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Saturday morning with Jack dam keeping the conversation going through
the weekend US talks.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
It'd be it is eleven minutes to ten on news Talks,
he'd be Alice Taylor from Alice Taylor eats us with
us this morning with an amazing sounding recif he good
a elis.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
Good morning, How are you? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:18):
So well? Thank you so good to have you back
with us again on Saturday mornings. Oh thank you, this
sounds great and looks amazing and this is like a
really simple and easy way to cook fish at home, right,
because I know that some people go, oh, it can
be a bit messy and can stink things out and
all of that kind of thing, but this is a
nice simple way of doing it.

Speaker 14 (33:37):
Yeah, well exactly. And I mean I was one of
those people. I didn't really like to cook fish because
often it would stick to the pan and it's a
bit messy and it can smell a bit, you know,
and all of that. But I saw my partner, he's
a chef as well, cook fish like this, and I
just couldn't believe it. So we shared it on on
my page last week and people loved it. So I

(33:57):
thought maybe you guys would enjoy it as well.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah, great, so run us through it.

Speaker 14 (34:01):
So basically, in terms of preparing the fish, it's really easy.
It's kind of like, it's so simple that I can't believe.
I didn't really think about it before. But essentially, what
you're going to do is take your fish filets. If
you have the skin on, that's great. We're gonna get
really crispy skin this way, and heat up your pan.
We use a cast iron pan, but you can use

(34:22):
like a stainless steel pan whatever you have really really
really hot, and don't add any oil or anything. Instead,
what you're going to do is take your fish filets,
put it into like onto a plate or something, pour
over some oil and some salt, and then place those
onto like a big sheet of baking paper that fits
the pan. And then all you do is just take

(34:44):
the entire sheet of paper and just.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Chuck it on the pan. And you don't get any mess.

Speaker 14 (34:50):
It's the most crispy skin that it's so so easy.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Oh my gosh, it's just like it seems so obvious,
you know, yeah, nice, yeah, but you get get the
benefits of the crispy skin without it getting sick to
the pan exactly.

Speaker 14 (35:04):
And what you do is, you know, when you done,
you just lift the baking paper off, and your pant
is clean. It goes in the bin, and the fish
is perfect. And so that's that's the way that we
do it. And the recipe, the recipe that I've given
you guys today, has a really easy potato salad in
it as well, because honestly, the fish I'm not even
sure if you can consider in a recipe, but the

(35:25):
potato salad a fish cook cooking hack but it's so
it was so good that I had to share it.
But in terms of the potato salad, it's it's really easy.
One of my favorite ways to sort of save money
on food is to go out to the supermarket less,
and so by doing that, what we do is keep
like lots of little pickles and capers and sort of

(35:46):
things and jars that last a long time. So this
is a really easy potato salad where you basically boil potatoes,
you add pickles, capers, you can add a little onion,
and the dressing is just olive oil and vinegar and
any fresh herbs that you have. If you don't have them,
that's completely fine. And it's just the most delicious potato salad.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
It's so good. Looks amazing. Okay, hey, thank you so much. Yeah,
it looks super easy, like, well do you reckon twenty
twenty five minutes maybe at most, yeah, at most super
fast and also just incredibly like nutritious and healthy and tasty,
so all of the things we love. Thank you. What
I will do is we'll make sure that recipes up

(36:26):
on newstalksb dot co, dot ins and if people want
to find you on Instagram and your socials. What is
the best way to do that, Alice.

Speaker 14 (36:33):
I'm kind of everywhere now, but I'm mainly also on
Inagram and Alice Taylor Eats everywhere wherever you kind of
go do your social media, I'll probably be on there
at Alice Taylor eats.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Hey, look, IMA's just text to say, get a good morning.
I cook burger patties and steak like this as well.
So I don't know, if you've tried that, maybe that
could be a good way of you could expand this technique.

Speaker 14 (36:57):
I'm going to have to try it today, I think.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, because that would make sense. Actually, I suppose if
you if it's anything you want the crispyiness on the outside, ay,
but you don't want to stand it. Yeah, yeah, that
makes sense. Yeah, exactly, bloomy potentially you know sometimes yeah,
oh my gosh, we might have just revolutionized cooking.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
I reckon else.

Speaker 14 (37:16):
Well, I think so, And I think the non stick pan.
You know a lot of people don't like using non
stick pans. They might not have them, and even those
you can't get really really hot. So this is a
great technique. Yeah, anything you want to cook, really, it
probably works perfect.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Hey, thank you? All right, we'll catch again very soon.
That's Elie Taylor from Elis Taylor Each. You can find
her on the social platforms. Of course, that pan fried
fish with potato salad recipe is going to be up
on the news Talks. He'd be website Jack. Any crusty
old seaman could have told you the difference between nautical twilight,
civil twilight sunrise, and how to calculate the actual time
of each anywhere in the World's is my sorry, Mike,

(37:50):
I should have checked with you first six minutes to
ten on News Dogs.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
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Speaker 3 (38:03):
I just coming up to teen o'clock on Newstalks. He'd
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Glinks Gully, we always watch for the green flash at sunset.
Lots of people have seen it. I, however, have only
seen it once. It does exist, though, says Ronnie, I've
never heard of the green flash at sunset, never heard
of this phenomenon. Yeah, so thank you very much. If
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(38:25):
Jacketewstalks dB dot co dot nz. It is the email address.
After ten o'clock, we've got your screen time picks for
this weekend. Scrubs is back. After all these years, Scrubs
is back. I always get a bit nervous when they
bring back a classic show. I always think sometimes it's
best just to leave it. But we'll get our reviewers
thoughts on the new series of Scrubs and as well
as that, our feature interview right after the ten o'clock

(38:47):
News this morning, the one and only, the legendary Barbara Driaver,
one New Specific correspondent is going to be with us.
She's just written an amazing new book called Be Brave,
so we're going to ask a little bit about her
story very soon. Almost ten News is next. I'm Jack Tamee.
This is Newstalgs ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Cracking way to start his Saturday Saturday morning with Jack
tame News Talks.

Speaker 15 (39:36):
Yo.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Do we know my hear to my with Jack tame
on News Talks d B this morning. And my feature
guest this morning is a friend and colleague, Barbara Driver,
one News Pacific correspondent. Barbara Driver, the one and only
She is no stranger to taking on a challenge. She
spent the last three decades shedding light on issues across
the Pacific. She's been locked up in Fiji, threatened in

(39:58):
Papua New Guinea. She's faced natural disasters. She's covered military
coups and criminal activity. She probably doesn't like the term,
but it's a veteran of New Zealand. She has faced
all sorts of criticism, even death threats, for her tenacious
pursuit of the truth, and now to share her incredible
experience as Barbara Dreava has written a memoir. It's called

(40:19):
Be Brave, and she's with us here live and studio.
This morning killed a good morning.

Speaker 16 (40:24):
You're on a bull of a knack at a warm
Pacific greeting warm outside.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
It's not hey. So what's it like as someone who
has spent their life telling other people's stories to turn
the attention on themselves and tell their own.

Speaker 16 (40:39):
You would know this. It's hugely uncomfortable, because you know,
we'd like to give a voice to others, and I
certainly do. I don't do this job for me, and
it's it's just really uncomfortable, But it's kind of cool
at the same time because I'm giving people a look
behind the scenes at a time when you know media
is not really trusted. But I really want people to

(41:01):
know just the sort of the work and the effort
and stuff that goes on behind the scenes, and also
a little bit of personal stuff as well, which I'm
also hugely uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
But I mean, you had to make yourself vulnerable for
this book.

Speaker 16 (41:13):
This is one of the tough Yeah, I've got to say,
it's one of the toughest things I think I've ever done.
One of the things is I realized how old I
am when I started writing about when I first started
in journalism. But yeah, it was really tough navigating that.
And there's been a few tears over it as well, because, yeah,
there's some parts in it that I just would rather

(41:34):
not write about, but actually it's my memoir and some
of those things to affect how I work and how
I approach people.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
That's quite insightful if you like to be able to
see how your personal experience impacts the way that you
kind of go about your storytelling, but then to be
able to also appreciate what the people whose stories you
were telling are going through when you're asking them to
be vulnerable as well.

Speaker 16 (41:59):
Right, that's it exactly, because you know, we expect people
just to tell us their stories, and actually it's such
a big ask. And my book is dedicated to my
late brother who took his life Andrew and oh man,
he was just the most terrific, wonderful human being and
we all loved him to pieces. And you know, it's
the sort of a grief that you find really hard

(42:22):
to never if it was a few years ago now,
but I still find it really difficult, and I think
about them every day. But then when I approach other people,
you know, for interviews, and sometimes they are in terrible
circumstances like the measles deaths, and these parents are warning
their children, and you know, I understood where they're coming from,
and it gives you a sensitivity that you're able to

(42:43):
navigate with them through that and telling their stories.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, obviously, the decision to dedicate the book to Andrew
is a really significant one. And that has been kind of,
you know, a huge trauma for you and your family.
Why was that so important?

Speaker 16 (42:58):
You know, it's been a few years and it's taken
us a long time to get through it, and you
you don't even get through it, really, but I can.
I can talk about it now just without crying. And
I'm a private person as well, Jack and but I
just felt if I'm writing about my book and my story,

(43:19):
then then and the people I talked to, then I
didn't need to talk about him and also pay tribute
to him as a as a brilliant young man. And
I know a lot of other families in New Zealand
go through these sorts of trauma.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yeah, well, I think you're not just telling people to
be brave. I think that decision in itself was incredibly brave.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
It was.

Speaker 16 (43:43):
Yeah, it was a really I rewrote and rewrite that chapter.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
It's a tough one. Journalism, Yes, let's talk about the news.
You found it really tricky to get a job, which
seems crazy to me now. But take us all the
way back. Why did you want to become a journalist?

Speaker 16 (43:59):
Well, I did a degree in education at university and
I decided I didn't want to be a teacher people
of course, yeah, no, And I just decided that there
was other stuff I could do that I wanted to
do and writing. I became a print journalist.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
Fair.

Speaker 16 (44:15):
I really wanted to make I know it sounds sort
of cliche, but I did want to make a difference,
and I think for me, putting Pacific voices on mainstream
and mainstream platform is really important.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
And give us a sense of how elevated or otherwise
those voices and stories were when you started telling Pacific stories,
because we didn't say a whole lot of pacifiction.

Speaker 16 (44:38):
No, there wasn't and there was hardly any. And I
found out how to get a job because people didn't
rate them, and not the public. It was you know,
managers and mainstream media didn't didn't and they didn't have to.
They just like, no, we don't care. And in fact,
one person actually said to me, I just don't care.
We don't care about this. And I went to the

(44:59):
Cook Islands because I couldn't get a job here and
started co owned a newspaper at the time and also
witical kind of news, and that gave me a great grounding.
And but yeah, so it wasn't very popular and then
you know, you come back and for me as stories,
a story is a story, right, And also what happens
in the Pacific affects us here in New Zealand, and

(45:21):
it's becoming more and more evident as time goes on
just how important the Pacific is to us. And also,
sorry Jack, but Mum and dad's on the couch. They
love Pacific stories. Yeah, And I get people up to me,
coming up to me all the time because my job
isn't to be hold the flag for Pacific people. My
job is to give a platform for Pacific voices. Some

(45:43):
of those voices ain't that good. I've had to chase
some of those voices down long corridors, and but that's important.
Of course, we have to be fair and balanced. And
but then you know, there are such great Pacific people,
and it is such a privilege to be able to
feature some of those, you know, like children like Tai Kami,

(46:06):
who was a hero in my and she still makes
me cry when I think about it. She had terminal
cancer and I interviewed her like a couple of weeks
before she died, and she flew the flag for Tonga
and she was much loved by the people. She got
a medal from the king, and I was there when
the tongue and King gave it to her, and it
was such a privilege. And it's stuff like that, you know,

(46:27):
you can see it. I'm excited, I suddenly get excited, okay,
and so stuff like that. I do think and I'm
really grateful to Television New Zealand, Jake like, because they
have given me that platform for many, many many years
one news we've had that, and it's it's fair to
say that I do put you know, as you know,

(46:49):
in the newsroom, you'll hear my little feet dogs stamping
across the floor, and like, I think my story should
be higher up, and you know, so I do really
know how to advocate.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. It occurred to me if we're
to put on we started the show this morning being
a bit more deploitical than we usually are, and if
we're to put our geopolitical hats on just for a
moment once again, it really occurs to me that over
the time you have been the Pacific correspondent for TVNZ,
we've gone from wanting to elevate Pacific stories in New

(47:21):
Zealand more than they were for the reasons you've outlined.
I mean, first of all, the audience wants them, but
also I mean these are there are people, right yeah.
But second of all that there's been a real shift
in the last couple of years where all of a sudden,
the world suddenly looking at the Pacific, going actually, this
region really really matters, and this big contest between these

(47:41):
world powers, this is where it's all going down. So
what have you observed there?

Speaker 16 (47:46):
I'm kind of frightened for the Pacific right now. I
think that we are at the cusp of enormous change
and even this current conflict with Iran and in Iran
around Iran Middle East as a fact, already the Pacific
countries are worried from a grassroots level. They're worried about
the cost of fuel already securing their their essentials in

(48:10):
the Pacific right now.

Speaker 7 (48:12):
But yees.

Speaker 16 (48:13):
So it's a competition for the space, which is you know,
it's one of the biggest stations in the world right
and it's where ships come through. The China would like
ports there, and the US have already got ports there,
would like more. And so when you have that sort
of contestation and they're picking countries off, it suddenly becomes
a big issue. And for New Zealand, we see it

(48:37):
as they say, our it's our back backyard, but actually
it's our front yard and we better remember that because
that what happens there is going to affect us here.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
It's such a good distinction. That's really important. Yeah, you
have had your share of hair raising experiences over the years.

Speaker 16 (48:54):
Locked up a few times.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
It is easy to laugh about it, and that's where
my instinct goes to be, like, hahaha, what's it like
to be locked up? And what's your tip on surviving
being locked up, whether it's in fig or whether it's
a narrow wherever else. I also know it can be
potentially really traumatic thing to go through it.

Speaker 16 (49:08):
It really was.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Yeah, So how do you reflect on those kinds of experiences?

Speaker 2 (49:13):
You know I have.

Speaker 16 (49:14):
I'm very methodical and how I deal with things so
and as I've got older, I've got more more measured
about things, and I have strategies that I put in
place to protect myself and to actually so when I
was locked up in Fiji, for example, I do know
it sounds really weird and it's embarrassing, but I you know,
when I was told that the military probably come for

(49:35):
me that night and I was in a detention center,
I would practice taking my clothes off and on. And
the reason I did that was because we'd heard about
some of the things that were happening to people who
were being taken up to the military. Woman women who
were being taken up to the military camps. And I'm,
you know, and I'm quite a scrappy old thing and
I and I thought, I am not going to let

(49:56):
these guys get the better of me. And so I
thought if I could practice that, I could look at
people in the eye, men in the eye and go, yeah,
I that won't best me on that. But you know,
it was. It was a really tough night. And I
keept running to the window every time I heard a
car and was like, but looking out the bars and thinking,
as in a military car come to get me. So

(50:18):
there are things that you know. And actually, Jack, when
I was writing some of these chapters, I'd had glossed
over it in my head and moved on to We
looked from story to story to story, and so when
I'm writing, I was like, oh my god, and the
nullery thing, you know, and we've been locked up and
now it was just like, oh my gosh. I was
writing and thinking, oh man, how did I cope with that?

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Like I did?

Speaker 16 (50:40):
But I did, and I'm glad that I did.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like an incredibly kind of rich diversity
of experiences that you've had over the years. But your
time as Pacific correspondent kind of reminds me of Robert
Fisk and that the great Midlase and journalist. Yeah, well,
late great melasiin Gurnists because I remember watching a documentary

(51:04):
with him in which he is amazing documentary in which
he says, once he became the correspondent in the Middle East,
he felt like a lot of journalists would just look
at what's the next gig, what's the next gig, what's
the next gig, and try and move from one thing together.
But he was like, no, that the more the more
time I spend in this role, the more I appreciate
and understand the issues that are at play, The more

(51:25):
I develop my contact base, the more value I can
give to my readers or followers. And I feel like
that's one of the amazing things you've done, is you
have just poured yourself into this role over such a
long time and you just get better as a result.
And honestly, there is nothing there is no there's nothing
that there's no alternative for just time and experience, you know, Yeah,

(51:50):
that's right.

Speaker 16 (51:50):
And we have to hold leaders and people in power
to account. We do, because if we don't, who does.
And and I just think that's super important. And there's
no there's no one who's off my menu. So and yes,
I do think that's really important as well.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
There's no other job you aspired to a news necessarily.

Speaker 16 (52:13):
Not a news No. I've always wanted to be. I've
always wanted to be the percifict correspondent. And I'm the
perfect correspondent and I'm grateful for it.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
And the funny thing is that, I mean, not only
are you a Pacific correspondent to your New Zealand audience,
but you are like the kind of you are, the
kind of queen of the Pacific when tailing around, right,
And I mean the story that the book has all
these amazing photos and experiences with colleagues and that kind
of thing. But I walk around sometimes with John Campbell
and I'm like, oh my god, it's like walking around

(52:40):
with you know, like with Oprah or something like he's
just contantly stopped on the street. But I feel like
that's pales in comparison to your experience in the Pacific.

Speaker 16 (52:48):
Well, I do come back looking very fat and tanned
because I keep people keep voisting food on me, and yeah,
and so people think I've actually been around holiday and
actually I have worked my guts out or worked like
fifteen to eighteen hour days, but I will come back.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Yeah, but what does it mean to you to see
that kind of response from people across the Pacific and
a range of Pacific coming Look.

Speaker 16 (53:11):
And it means a lot. And it's a privilege. And
it's the fact that one news gets played and I
don't know twenty three different on twenty three plus different
broadcasters across the Pacific, and it's important. It's important that
they see Pacific voices elevated and voices that matter and
that count and that you know, are important, and so yeah,

(53:33):
it means a lot to me. But also seeing young
people and you know, trained a lot of young journalists
across the Pacific as well, and so to see that
coming up behind me just makes me feel really happy.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Yeah, I'm so pleased. Well, look, congratulations, I'll be brave.
I think we can join together and urging our audience
to go and buy by by by every special occasions.
But thank you so much, and congratulations and thank you
for being brave and telling your stories. Yeah. Really appreciate it.

(54:08):
That is Barbara Triever. She is of course the one
news correspondent for the one new specific correspondent and her
new book is Be Brave. The details will be up
on the news Talks. He'd be website before eleven o'clock.
On News Talks, he'd be the dangers of sitting. Yeah,
our resident doctor, our resident GP has looked into some
of the research about sitting. Obviously, sitting in itself is
not dangerous, but if you do too much sitting, it

(54:30):
can be a bit problematic. So he's going to be
here with us with those numbers very shortly. And as
well as that, our texpert is looking at the big
announcements from Apple this week that you're coming out for
the first time with a much cheaper laptop by their standards,
and a much cheaper phone by their standards. So he's
going to tell us about those and compare them with
some of the other Apple products that are already on

(54:51):
the market. Twenty two past ten on News Talks, he'd.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Be start your weekend off the right way Saturday morning
with Jacktam News Talks.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
B It is twenty five past ten, which means it's
screen time to TI I'm Carl Pushman is here with
his picks for this week for shows to watch or
stream from the comfort of your place. Good morning, Carl. Oh,
we're just lost you there, and I'm sure we will
manage to get you back up. Let's begin this morning.
Who've got two shows. Let's begin with one that is
streaming on TV and Z plus. I've seen the previews

(55:25):
for this. It looks so good. Tell us about Run Run.

Speaker 17 (55:28):
Yes, the brilliant Robin Malcolm channels in a Bogan the
star in the sixth part Ossie crime drama. But that's
where the comparisons to our beloved crime scentered series Outrageous
Fortune ends. Run is no comedy. Instead, it tells the
true story of Australia's most notorious bank robber, Brendan Abbott.
Like fellow outlaws Ned Kallian Chopper, Abbot's story has also
shifted to modern Ossie folklore. After robbing a bank by

(55:50):
dropping in from the ceiling through an airvent back in
the eighties, Abbot was quickly captured and sent to Freemantle Prison,
but that's just the beginning of his story. While there,
he executed one of the most famous and ingenious Dale
breaks in Australian history and went on the lamb for
over five years, robbing banks up and down the country
in evading all police attempts to nab him. During this time,
he was nicknamed the Postcard Bandit thanks to reports that

(56:12):
he was taunting the police on his tail by sending
them postcards from around Australia. It's a neat story that
really capture the imagination, but sadly was later debunked as myth.
As we all know, crime doesn't pay, and eventually the
cops did get their man. He was in a sentence
to Queensland Prison, where remarkably he escaped again. A major
police manhunt apprehended him five and a half months later,

(56:34):
which is still an incredibly long time for a high
profile criminal to be on the loose. So with all
that you can see how Abbot's story makes for a gripping,
action packed series and Run doesn't trip up telling it.
It's incredibly well made, with a look that resembles a
gritty Australian film rather than a standard TV drama. I
also really enjoyed how Run catches its eighties early nineties
settings in a far more relatable way to us kiwis

(56:57):
than American retro based efforts like Stranger Things and shows
like that. It really did take me back to that eerror.
The show's big set pieces are fantastic. The opening episode's
prison break is an especially tense ride. Occasionally, however, Run
does run out of puff. It's time shifting tom foolery
can slow its pacing down. You get the feeling it
could have been a little bit tighter as it jumps

(57:19):
around its timeline. I'm sure there's details the show skips over,
as adaptations of true stories often do, but overall it's
an enjoyable series that I think is worth a run.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Fantastic, very good zing. So that's Run plus where you
can see that starring George Mason and Robin Melcam mixed
up on Disney Plus. Scrubs is back.

Speaker 17 (57:40):
Yes, the popular naughty sitcom Scrubs has been resuscitated after
more than fifteen years. The comedy that followed wide eyed
medical interns learning the ropes from a grizzled senior veteran
in a private hospital was hugely popular back in the
day thanks to its unique structure. Each episode would see
a new patient wield in while the crew traded fast
paces z any gags that often led into cartoonish dream

(58:01):
sequences and non sequitur cutaways. Then in its final minutes
would shift gears and hit you with an emotional that
would really pull up the heartstrings as patients would die
or have complicated medical outcomes. Lead JD would have a
reflective voice over while an indie music tear JERKERD played
in the background. It was a winning formula. The show
was off the wall but also had that emotional impact,

(58:21):
giving you something to invest in as you want.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Oh dear, we seem to have just lost Carl. All right,
well hiss uh the second show there was Scrubs that's
streaming on TV and Z plus, or see if we'll
go back up. No, we got on there. I think
I'm here. I don't know what happened there. I think
we had a green flash over the internet this morning.
Mine so sorry we were well, I was gonna say, pleasingly,

(58:50):
the old gang is all back, led by Zach Brad,
who has aged annoyingly well, it must be said.

Speaker 17 (58:55):
The verbose and vitrolic Doctor Cox played by John C
mcginnley is as delightfullly insulting as ever, but sadly, he
doesn't stick around past episode one. This leads it to
the core for characters JD, Turk, Ellier, Karla the shoulder
of the series, which is no problem o. Their comedic
chemistry and off kilter exuberance is as strong as ever.
Time or changing comedy trends has not impacted the show

(59:15):
at all. As example, you get Turk leading his in
turns through a robot dance off and JD murdering his
new rival and a gruesomely silly Goldfinger inspired dream sequence.
The show's fun and funny, even if it does take
a minute to acclimate back to its comedic style. As
wucky as all that is, Scrubs hasn't gone the other
half of that winning formula. The first two episodes both

(59:36):
line up satisfying, highly emotional endings that criticize and highlight
the failings of the American for profit healthcare system. Got
to say, after all this time, scrub still works. It's
warm and likable, easy and fun to watch, and where
it's hard on its sleeve with pride, it could be
good fort Ailsier.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Yeah, that's great to hear, because usually you know when
you hear a show is being revamped some think, oh,
that think's going to be any good. Sometimes you sort
of wish that just leave things, leave things rest. But
that sounds fantastic. It's rank you for them. Okay, so
that's Scrubs. It's on Disney Plus. Carl's first pick for
us this week is Run, which is on TV and
Z Plus. And of course you can hear more from
Karl on his sub stack screen Crack. Thank you for

(01:00:13):
your feedback, Jack. I love Barbara Dreavers. She's so passionate,
so elegant in her delivery on Behalf of the Pacific
People's Jack love Barbara Dreaver. She presents facts, not opinion. Jack.
I feel connected and I'm genuinely I feel connected to
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Speaker 7 (01:00:39):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Twenty nine minutes to eleven get with Jack Tayne. It's
Saturday morning, and this is News Talk's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
EDB Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack
team on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
That is aft by Harry Styles. He has just dropped
his brand new album. It's not very snappily titled. It's
called Kiss All the Time Disco Occasionally. It's the fourth
albums that's going solo from one direction back in twenty sixteen.
And though you might assume that someone on his global
superstar level of fame would automatically be a chart topper

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and culturally relevant no matter what he releases, he's actually
spoken about the introspection required to keep pushing himself forward creatively,
to not just make music that's expected from him, prep
to not even make music that his fans actually want.
I don't know, we'll see. Our music review is going
to join us perform a day to lay out the
disco teche Berlin Knight, LCD sound system inspirations behind the

(01:01:56):
music and give us his thoughts on how mister Harry
Styles has delivered. So really looking forward to that. Twenty
six to eleven our Textbert's are next on Newstalk Ened.

Speaker 12 (01:02:08):
The Headlines and the Hard Questions. It's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 18 (01:02:12):
So the committee looking into whether we should bran social
media for under sixteens has produced its final report. Cold
Bates is one of the national members on that committee.
Some of the recommendations you make are from outer space.
They're not real, they're just theoretical whiteboarding.

Speaker 7 (01:02:25):
So there's a range of recommendations, a number of what
you reflect what's happening internationally, and.

Speaker 11 (01:02:30):
Some of what are about immediate actions that can be taken.

Speaker 18 (01:02:32):
Now regulate algorithmic recommendation systems. Do you honestly think New
Zealand Incs capable of doing that when no one else
in the world is.

Speaker 7 (01:02:40):
From a committee perspective, we said the government should explore this,
not saying let's just go and say this should happen
right now.

Speaker 18 (01:02:47):
Back Monday from six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
rain Drivers, fort sv News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Twenty three to eleven News Talks ZEDB. Apple has launched
a more affordable by ample standards Important Caveat, a more
affordable laptop and phone. Our textbook pollstin house is here
with the detail. So Paul tell us about the MacBook Neo.

Speaker 13 (01:03:09):
Yeah, you took the words out of my mouth, theo
jeck because it's it's designed to be competing with these
lower end kind of Chromebooks and lower end Windows PCs,
but low end for Apple is still high end for
those devices. I took a look at the New Zealand
price and going to start at one one four nine,
so not exactly still the cheapest option, but certainly a

(01:03:31):
very affordable way to get into that Mac ecosystem. And
I do think that they have really found I think
they probably should have done this a very long time ago,
and I think they're doing I think they're going I
saw a comment on one of the websites with one
comment to see that Apple's going to sell these by
the palette, and I do think they probably are.

Speaker 19 (01:03:50):
Because for the.

Speaker 13 (01:03:51):
People who spend a lot of their day on email,
doing things in your browser, in a couple of docks
and some spreadsheets, you don't need all the power of
a MacBook Pro. This is kind of the machine for you.
And if you think about kind of the student market,
you know, you want to listen to some music, you
want to watch some movies every now and then, you
want to do some schoolwork. Maybe hey, perfect machine. So

(01:04:14):
it's kind of designed for that everyday type person. And
if you have an iPhone and you you know you
want to get into that Apple ecosystem a bit more.
I really think This is going to be a really
great device, especially if you want the keyboard, you can
dock it to an external monitor. The one thing it
doesn't have that I think I think it's missing. I

(01:04:34):
don't think it's a deal breaker, but it doesn't have
a backlick.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Keyboard, right, which, and the backlick keyboard is useful for
if you're just sitting in the dark, or just because
it looks nicer, just.

Speaker 13 (01:04:45):
Because you're sitting in the dark the lights are a
bit dim.

Speaker 19 (01:04:47):
You can also just turn a lamp on.

Speaker 13 (01:04:49):
So just just to point out, I mean, you're saving
you're saving literally hundreds of dollars to not have a
backlick keyboard. Yeah, so it's it's it's probably not actually affective.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I put to you know, I'm an
Apple yuppie. I think it's a really good idea. I
think the truth is that the vast majority of us
overstate the kind of computing or overthink the amount of
computing that we're actually doing. Yes, so the vast majority
of us are just using like Microsoft Word or Google
Docs and some emails, and we've got our browsers open.

(01:05:20):
We're just kind of sculling through the Internet, and maybe
there's an Excel sheet every now and then, but we're
not actually doing high end video editing or the kind
of gaming that requires really complicated graphics chips and all
that kind of thing. So this is probably perfectly adequate.

Speaker 13 (01:05:34):
And can I just see too? So I have a
MacBook here, love it again, perfectly adequate. I do every
now and then need to edit some videos. It's not often,
but it's perfectly capable of doing that too. I'm not
editing a feature film over here. I'm editing like a
three minute video down to like cutting out some stuff
out of it. More than capable. And I've done the
same thing with the phone too. So they launched the

(01:05:54):
iPhone seventeen e. Basically it's missing a couple of kind
of nice to have features to the dynamic island in
the center stage, there's the thing that kind of keeps
you in center on the video calls. It does, though,
have things like that satellite SOS mode, which is I
think industry leading game changer. I think everybody in New

(01:06:14):
Zealand probably should have that, given how vast and remote
New Zealand is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
But the price of that, so it's going to start.

Speaker 13 (01:06:20):
At one one ninety nine New Zealand dollars. That is
five hundred dollars less than the normal iPhone seventeen and
one one hundred and fifty dollars less than the seventeen pro.
So yeah, I mean, again, a really good option if
you're thinking about getting a new phone.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
If you want to be in the Apple ecosystem. We're
going to find a better term than ecosystem, don't we,
because it's not an ecosystem, you know, like just the
Apple system doesn't quite sound right, but I know what
you mean. Monopoly, have monopoly the monopoly if you want
me no, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, we'll work
on that. Hey, thank you so much, Paul. Really interesting
and yeah, it'll be intriguing to see just how popular

(01:06:59):
these things are. My intuition is the same as yours,
and that I think they'll be very very popular. Indeed,
coming up before eleven o'clock, we're in the garden with
Ruge climb Pass. We're looking at one of his favorite
birds this morning, kingfishes, which I reckon one of my
favorites too. There's such smart looking little birds, aren't they.
So he's going to be with us very shortly. Next up,

(01:07:20):
our Resident GP with the Dangers of Sitting eighteen to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
No better way to kick off your weekend with Jack.
Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks AV.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Sixteen minutes to eleven, Non News TALKSZ'DB. Doctor Brian Betty
is with us this morning. Brian, you've been caught up
in the same thing. I've been caught up in these
Facebook scams, these online scams showing videos of us and
asking people for money. So I'm sorry to see you've
been affected, but you have.

Speaker 11 (01:07:51):
Yeah, no, Look I've become I had one a couple
of years ago, but in the last two weeks have
had three or four come up. And the reason I've
become aware of them is a couple of people have
just contacted the surgery asking if they could send money
directly to the clinic for these products. So really really
worrying that this occurs. And they are absolute scams. So

(01:08:12):
whether it's for the Manuka honey fortinitus or muscle extract
for rhematoid arthritis, or garlic drops or whatever these things
are promoting, and there's been a number of them. Yeah, people, Yeah,
people need to be very very wary of what's posted
on the internet or Facebook.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Yeah, yeah, okay, and if they say the one of you,
obviously reported if they can, but also most importantly, don't
send any money.

Speaker 10 (01:08:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:08:35):
Look, look I think yes, please please report it if
you see me promoting any of that stuff. And please
do not do not, under any circumstances, please send any money.
It's it's it's it's it is a total scam. So yeah,
it's sort of the area we're living in.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Oh, I know, it is, sadly it is. Unfortunately. Hey,
look we're focusing this morning on some research that looks
at how sitting for long periods can impact your health.
And I know that people are rolling my eye or
rolling their eyes. Sitting is bad for you. But obviously
it's not all sitting. It's sitting for extended periods, right.

Speaker 11 (01:09:13):
Yeah, well look, I mean this is what it is.
If you go back, you know, a couple of generations,
we lad very physical lives. But we are now in
a situation where most of us sit in front of
computers for long periods of time. And there's now been
some big research done around this, and yeah, what they've
found is long periods of sitting is actually linked to
a higher risk of death. So what we seen tend

(01:09:36):
to see is high risks of heart disease, type two diabetes,
and actually some cancers. Now, this risk is time dependent,
so every hour that you sit spend sitting without a break,
your risk goes up, and sort of six to eight
hours tends to be a real critical point at which
things tip over. Now, some people can exercise during the day,

(01:09:58):
which is great, and exercise absolutely helps, but actually they
can still sit for eight to ten hours a day,
and that in itself is a risk factor, regardless of
doing separate exercise after work or during your lunch hour.
So yeah, really really interesting stuff that's emerged around this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
So what does it actually say about the harms that
can be caused by too much sitting?

Speaker 11 (01:10:20):
Yeah, well, look, we think it's got to do with
low muscle activity, especially in the legs. The legs are
very big muscle bulks and the legs are very and
muscles are very important in terms of sugar and fat
metabolism in the body. So what tends to happen is
you get these metabolic changes when you're sitting for long

(01:10:40):
periods of times, where sugars may rise, where where fats
may rise in the body. And also you tend to
get a reduced blood flow and this leads to reduce
caloric burns, so you don't burn as much much calories
and you tend to put on weight. Now it can
lead to other problems like back and neck problems which
people I think will be very familiar with if they
sit at computers for a long period of time. And

(01:11:02):
interestingly enough issues with mood. So there's been associated with
low mood if you spend long, long periods of time sitting.
So there's all sorts of effects that sort of come
into play, but a lot of them around what we
call metabolic our metabolic health, which is the sugar fats,
energy burn type stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
How do we reduce the risk?

Speaker 7 (01:11:23):
Then?

Speaker 11 (01:11:25):
Yeah, look, I mean, look, you can reduce the risk,
but you need to think about it. And the thing
is small, regular interruptions in you're sitting actually what dramatically
reduced the risk.

Speaker 10 (01:11:37):
So look, just.

Speaker 11 (01:11:38):
Thinking about standing every thirty minutes and maybe just moving
around the desk as simple as that, even for a
minute or two, will make a profound difference.

Speaker 10 (01:11:46):
Taking short walks.

Speaker 11 (01:11:48):
During your you know, your morning break, your afteroon tea,
or your lunch break, a sit stand desk, They are interesting.
So stand desks, those ones where people stand at the desk,
you actually tend to use more, more calories, you tend
to have better blood flow. Walking during phone calls now
I tend to do now, soem on the phone call,
I actually tend to walk around. So people could do

(01:12:09):
that very easily at the office if they chose to
simple things like taking the stairs if you want to
move between floors rather than the elevator. And actually, if
you're going to work or you're coming home from work,
maybe getting on the bus one bus stop further on
so you walk a bit further, or maybe park a
little bit further away from work. So these type of

(01:12:31):
things are really really beneficials. I think you can do
things on your phone, like set your phone to remind
you to get up and just walk around, or do
something to rate just to break the cycle. But you know,
so you know, it's not necessarily the fact you're sitting. Yeah,
it's the length of time that you're sitting is actually
the critical thing. So breaking it up is the number

(01:12:52):
one thing you can do to reduce that risk.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
I also reckon you do better work. I'm convinced that
if you get up, like you know, like if you
get up every forty five minutes from your desk and
you just go for a little walk around and get
a coffee or whatever, I'm convinced you do a better job.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
Honestly, Look, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 11 (01:13:08):
Yeah, so again it just gets things going.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Yeah right, thank you very much. Brian really appreciate that.
We'll put all of those points up on the news talks.
He'd be website and catch you again very soon. Good luck.
Well the scams. I really hope that with plenty of
people reporting them, that the powers that be might take
them down, although having been through all of that myself,
it feels like whack them all a lot of the time.
I tell you what, if you take Brian's advice and

(01:13:33):
you make sure you don't sit for too long, you
do get up, you work around, there is a bit
of a chance you might be a superagor because genetics
play a role, but they reckon that lots of lifestyle
factors can also contribute and superages. You know, people in
their eighties have have like really really good memories and
really good different measures of health. After eleven o'clock this morning,

(01:13:54):
we're going to take a look at some of the
other components that can help you become a superager. Right
now it is ten to eleven. We're in the garden.
Next on news talks, he'd.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Be gardening with still sharp bottom deals on tools, builth right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Rude climb past is our man in the garden. Good morning, A.

Speaker 8 (01:14:11):
Very good morning to you. And are you all well there?

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
I'm very well, thank you, very well. You you've been
looking at kingfish and I reckon they're one of my
favorite birds. Kingfishers obviously disagrees your temporary there for a moment,
My goodness, I thought i'd offended.

Speaker 8 (01:14:31):
Yeah no, no, no, not really, but I got you know, yeah,
yeah right, I had to look at kingfisher. You know
I'm a bird, No don't you, Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
I know that about you. But do you like birds?
Are in six more?

Speaker 8 (01:14:43):
To be quite honest, it's birds that is my number
one hobby. That's why I think the bugman is actually
a fraud.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Ah, I didn't know that. I thought it was going
to be a bit of a Sophie's Choice situation.

Speaker 8 (01:14:53):
But okay, it will be all the time. But this
is why I think it's so good. By the way,
I'm really hacked off. I'm not in roder Ua today
where the Guardian ship is happening at Wingspan, which is
absolutely once a year.

Speaker 20 (01:15:05):
That's beutiful.

Speaker 8 (01:15:07):
But this is what this is what I learned from
the guys at Wingspan. Kingfishes are also if you like
birds of prey, you know, I've been looking after those.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
They shook like prey, don't they. They just don't look
a bit sort of streamlined and sharp in a way
that some other birds don't.

Speaker 8 (01:15:25):
And no sense of humor, yeah, exactly. Yeah, and fast
and fast as well. Now anyway, so there's a whole
lot of stuff here on the on on the website
you'll find. But what I was doing, I was asking
people what do you think king fishes eat? And they
come up with all sorts of stuff from tunneling mud
crabs and things like that, lizards, but also cora and

(01:15:48):
things like that. They are really amazing. So what I've
been doing with my twelve year old grandson, and We've
been looking at kingfishes and bending them, putting rings around
their legs, and I've been looking at the nest to
see when they finally leave, because these kingfishes are very
crazy creatures. They actually chuck out what they cannot digest.

(01:16:09):
And I kept an eye on what's below the Kingfisher
Inness this year, and guess what we got large bones,
mice just like that mice boom, gray skins and all
that carabbit beetles, beautiful large beetles that are eaten. Alexander
beetle they're called, And they only occurred the only place
in the world where they occurs cantly, so it's the

(01:16:30):
thing I'm having an eye on anyway. But they eat
heaps of them. They got a red admiral butterfly, but
it was in such perfect condition that I reckon the
baby said no, we're not going to eat that, Mum and.

Speaker 10 (01:16:42):
Dad, and they chucked it up.

Speaker 8 (01:16:44):
They chucked it out, And then I came to this
two bird bands, two of those metal bands that go
around the legs of other creature, other bands other birds
in this case, and both those birds were silver eyes.
When I and I collected those two and I went

(01:17:05):
through the CEA, and I found that both of the
silver eyes that were banded were banded by me. Wow,
one one five years ago and one eight months ago.

Speaker 5 (01:17:17):
Oh my god.

Speaker 10 (01:17:18):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Well not so for the silver eyes but yeah, no, no,
but it shows you they are relentless, so they can
sure hunt a silver eye.

Speaker 8 (01:17:30):
Yes, absolutely, and smack them to death on a on
a on a piece of timber or whatever. Oh yeah,
bang bang bang that's how they killed them. Jeez, this
is this. This We should look at this a bit
more often. You know, this is brilliant. Anyway, have a
look on the website.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Yeah, yeah, the photos are amazing. I should have seen
that at the very start. Roads seen to have some
photos of this. I know it sounds a bit grizzly.
It's not nearly as grizzy as it sounds, but you
can see, for example, you can see the banding of
those silver eyes and that incredible butterfly. Yeah, like you say,
it sounds like my baby kicking the best food out
of the nest. Thank you so much, Rope. We will
catch you again in the garden next week, and we'll

(01:18:09):
make sure all of those photos are up on the
news talks. He'd be websites so you can see all
those bits and pieces. Here you go, I saw a
kingfisher in my garden that grabbed a wex. I flew
up and then started bashing it, says Barb.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
It's almost eleven o'clock news. Is next on news talks.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
He'd be Saturday morning with Jack team keeping the conversation
going through the weekend news talks.

Speaker 12 (01:18:29):
It'd be.

Speaker 21 (01:18:53):
Mord enough.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
If you're just joining us on news talks. He'd be
this morning. It is so good to have you here.
I'm still shocked. I didn't realize that Kingfishers were so violent.
We only just found out right before the eleven o'clock news.
Felt like a man in the garden climb pass just
ripped the pin out of the grenade, tossed it into
the air, and then turned us back on us that
Kingfishers are terribly violent. They beat silver Eyes to death.

(01:19:17):
I know, shocking a haha. Jack, has the Kingfisher drop
from the top of your favorites list they have for
me on the text? Well, yeah, I don't know if
they were the top of my favorite list. I think
maybe Tooy, Well maybe not too maybe the toehe in
the backyard or actually, you know what. It's hard to
go past a care on a good day, isn't it. Anyway? Yeah,

(01:19:39):
I'm certainly looking at Kingfisher in a slightly different light
this morning. Thank you for your text. I'm going to
get to more of those this hour and then before
midday on news Talk Z'DB. I just you know, one
of the things we love to do is challenge stereotypes
on the show, and for many years now, one of
our favorite segments has been our book reviews. About twenty
to twelve. Every Saturday morning, Catherine Rain's, our book reviewer,

(01:20:03):
joins us and talks us through a couple of cracking
that she's enjoyed, but she is always one who's full
of surprises, and this morning Katherine Rains is going to
be joining us with her book picks, not from the
comfort of her couch, not from home, but from the
Formula One in Melbourne. Because as well as being a
mad mad book lover, Kathin Rains is a moto head. Yeah,

(01:20:26):
she absolutely loves it. She's a petrol head. She is
there for the F one weekend. She has been looking
forward to it for months. So we're going to cross
live to Melbourne, get our book picks for the week
and Hot takes trackside from the F one Weekend with
Katherine Rain. So really really looking forward to that as
well as that we're gonna have a listen to Harry
styles brand new album Kiss All the Time just go

(01:20:49):
occasionally as the name of the album, which is a
wee bit confusing, but we'll try and find out the
story behind that. Right now, it's nine past eleven, So
we said before eleven o'clock that sitting for too long
can be bad for your health. It turns out all
manner of factors, including diet and lifestyle, go into whether
or not someone can be considered a superagent. So superages

(01:21:10):
are someone over the age of eighty who have excellent memory.
And Google Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being is here with
all the details this morning, get a Doogle cure.

Speaker 15 (01:21:21):
Jack, Nice to be with you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
Yeah, you too.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
So what do we know about superages.

Speaker 15 (01:21:26):
Yeah, so, as you said that they are over eighty
and and particularly it means you've got they've got really
excellent memory skills. And that's memory for for two types
of broadly, for memory, both of sort of everyday events
that happened to you and for what we call those
episodic memories, so that's personal history, that's sort of remembering

(01:21:47):
things from back in your life. And and they're almost
like the sort of the opposite of someone with Altzeimer's disease, right,
and often and often they're sort of compared as maybe this,
maybe what what what can we learn from superages that
might help us understand Alzheimer's more and to some of

(01:22:07):
the things that goes on there and certainly in the brain.
We know that superages they have that they produce a
lot more young brain cells, in fact, almost more sometimes
than people in their thirties and forties. So they've got
this prolific production of brain cells. And when I first
studied psychology, and you know it was doing my training

(01:22:29):
back in the nineties, the accepted wisdom at that stage
was that brain cells don't reproduce. You don't grow new ones.
You know, you're born with them and you do lose some,
but that you can't regenerate them. But that's changed really
in the past twenty to thirty years. Are understanding we
know that in fact, we do generate new brain cells.
And the advantage of having new kind of brain cells

(01:22:52):
is they're much more plastic and pliable, so they can
be adapted for different things. They're not sort of set
in their ways. You know, we talk all the time
about oh, you know, I'm making new neural pathways and
the brain and that kind of thing. And in fact,
this is kind of this is perhaps sort of true
for superages that they are producing new brain cells and

(01:23:12):
that's helping perhaps your brain to grow and be more
resilient and be more flexible.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Right, So genetics play a role, but lifestyle factors like
sitting too long at your desk and obviously exercise, those
are big things to right.

Speaker 15 (01:23:28):
Absolutely. I mean, I think almost everything, particularly in psychology land,
almost everything is a mix of nature and nurture. There's
very few things around psychology that are purely one or
the other. There's always a mixture of two. So yes,
you can't and you can't change your genetics. So it's like, oh, well,

(01:23:48):
you know, what's the point in a way in terms
of what can you do personally? But you know those
things that Brian was talking about before before the news
around sitting and being active, and we talked about this
sort of last year, I think a little bit when
we talked about blue zones, and those are people that
you know areas in the world where people live long

(01:24:08):
and they tend to have more active lifestyles. But there's
also psychological tools you can you can use to help
with your help your brain really, and these are associated
these tools are associated with long longevity, and there's no
direct connection with superaging. But the idea is maybe if

(01:24:30):
you're using these psychological tools, you're actually helping your brain
be a bit more flexible. You're you're keeping it active
in the same way that getting up and moving around
is keeping your body active. Using some psychological tools can
actually help your brain become or stay flexible, stay supple,
stay stay new.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
That's amazing. So and these are true psychological tools, not
like just doing suduku or something like that. These are
actual yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:24:55):
Yeah, yeah, they are. Look and and there's sort of
mixed evidence from what I can see around things like
suduku and cross words and that kind of thing. And
I certainly wouldn't say to anybody, don't do those at all.
But this really is what we call developing an optimistic mindset.
And that can sound a little bit eerie fairy, and
it's like, oh, well, isn't that just you know, you know,

(01:25:17):
isn't that just thinking the world's a wonderful place when
it's not really and blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
And it's not that.

Speaker 15 (01:25:24):
I mean, there's some specific things that we know. So
first yary optimism or an optimistic mind frame is associated
with longevity, so living longer, and the idea here is
that maybe that's also helps with your brain. So what
can you do to be to adopt an optimistic worldview? Well,
that we know from looking at optimists there's two things.
So they look at bad when bad things happen. So

(01:25:46):
it's not pretending that bad things don't happen, but when
bad things happen, they're much less likely to blame themselves.
They see themselves not as this bad thing happens, not
because I'm a terrible person or something. It just bad
stuff happens sometimes, and it's only temporary.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
It's only temporary.

Speaker 15 (01:26:03):
So that's optimists look at the bad things like that,
and then they flip when they look at good things
that have happened, so they have an opposite mindset. They
look when they look at bad things are not about me,
it won't last long. Good things, they go, oh, yeah,
much more likely to be something I've done and I
can take control of it, and it's probably likely to continue.

(01:26:25):
So in the sense, you take credit for the good
and make it and don't take any credit for the bad.
And you think, oh, yeah, this positive stuff, this is
going to continue, This is really going to continue for
me in the long term. And we know that that
optimistic style of thinking is associated with better aging, and

(01:26:46):
it is, of course something you can train your brain
to do. It's not you know, and most of us
don't look at the world in an optimistic way. We
tend to be looking for thread and looking for negativity.
But you can train your brain to look at that
sort of optimistic worldview.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Yeah, right, and so you can do things like it's
what grace for atheists?

Speaker 15 (01:27:05):
Yeah, yeah, yes, A couple of a couple of a
couple of sort of practical tools. We've call this grace
for atheists. I mean, obviously, if you're a person of faith,
you don't have to be an atheist. You can just
say grace. But grace for atheists is sitting down, you know,
stereotypically with your evening meal, but it could be any
time of the day and just bringing to mind and

(01:27:28):
even better, writing down or discussing with other people who
are around you the good things that have happened, things
that you are thankful for that day, and those might
be very very small things. Sometimes it's not like every
day you get up and win lotto or you know,
or something amazing happens. Sometimes it's just the very small

(01:27:49):
kind of things. It could be like last weekend, for example,
I was taking the dogs for a walk and going
back to the topic of birds that you were talking about,
just before these two just flew past me and landed
on a tree just about at my eye level, just
about ten meters away, and it was like, man, these
are New Zealand falcons right there. So that's just an

(01:28:11):
example of sort of you know, small things that you
can be thankful for every day. So it's trying to
bring to my getting. It's training your brain to look
for those positive things, however small they are in your life,
as they happen every day.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
Yeah, and it'll pay off over time. That really is
quite extraordinary that you can try and teach yourself those
little psychological tricks. You know, that you can teach yourself
those little practices, those routines, and that they can pay
off meaningfully in the long run. Yeah, it's funny.

Speaker 12 (01:28:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:28:45):
Yeah, they're very much like you know, training your body.
You know that you do, you know you do. Going
back to the sitting, the analogy with the sitting, you're
getting up.

Speaker 12 (01:28:52):
You're being active.

Speaker 15 (01:28:53):
You're creating a pattern, a habit of being regularly active
in your physical body. And maybe while you're doing that,
while you're standing up from your desk, use the time
mentally to think about a couple of good things that
have happened that day. Yeah, combine the two together, and
actually you're exercising not only your body but your brain
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
It's amazing. I thank you so much. Google, Google Southerland
from Umbrella Well being with us this morning in a
couple of minutes, our travel correspondence, and he's counting down
the days to Flavors of Plenty and Bay of Plenty.
It's the big food festival there, so he'll be with
us very shortly. Seventeen past eleven on newstalk Z'DB.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
Travel with Windy Woo Tours where the world.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
Is yours for now, like Hardley is our travel correspondent.
Good morning, Oh Mike, you're there, I am here, JACKB morning,
Thank goodness, good morning. How are you.

Speaker 10 (01:29:46):
Very good? Thank you. I've just come inside.

Speaker 21 (01:29:47):
I feel like I need baffles in my house because
the cicadas who had sort of gone into a slumber
when some had disappeared, some has come back with a vengeance,
and so have the cicadas.

Speaker 10 (01:29:58):
It's like the screaming.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
Really yeah yeah, oh well, I mean it's good, I guess, yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:30:05):
Good.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
At least summer's going to come back a little bit.
But yeah, it's been a funny old little period day.
He sure has you counting down to Flavors of Plenty,
which is Bayo Plenty's big food festival. It's sort of
become one of New Zealand's premiere food festivals. So how
long has it been around now?

Speaker 21 (01:30:22):
Yes, this year's bash will be its fifth outing Jack
and it is quite amazing how a festival which is
still reasonably new has just stemmed itself on the culinary
calendar as a signature event.

Speaker 10 (01:30:34):
What I love about it is that it's.

Speaker 21 (01:30:35):
Strung right across Coastal Plenty, from way He Beach to
Fakatan and there's just so many lips smacking events to
sink your teeth into. I was up in the bar
plenty two weeks ago just to get a taster of
some of the festival offerings and it's very, very diverse.

Speaker 10 (01:30:52):
So they've got lots of.

Speaker 21 (01:30:53):
Restauranteurs involved, obviously, but the growers in the region will
feature heavily in the festival, so it all kicks off
in mid April.

Speaker 7 (01:31:01):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Okay. When I think about Bay of Plenty, I think
about green stuff, so I think about fruit and I
think about avocados. They're kind of synonymous with Bay of Blendy.

Speaker 21 (01:31:11):
Yeah, totally to Porkykvy fruit capital of the world, and
the avocado capital of New Zealand undoubtedly is Carti Cuti.
So starting with the latter, I took this really good
tour on Tim and Michelle Rosamond's Avocado Watchard and Kati
cutting a fortmight a go and it comes complete with
great tastings.

Speaker 10 (01:31:31):
I have to say.

Speaker 21 (01:31:32):
It's amazing, though, just on a little orchard tour, how
much you will learn about this marvelous superfood, which of
course is botanically classified as a fruit. I know that
can be controversial for some, but a lot of our
avocado's jacka exported to North America, and the Americans just
can't believe how good our avocados are compared to some
of the slushy stuff they get from across the border.

(01:31:55):
Is I strolled under Tim's trees, they were just positively
groaning in fruit and I found this fascinating. You can
actually see this year's crop and next year is crop
on the same tree because the avocados can stay on
the tree for eighteen months.

Speaker 10 (01:32:11):
So wow, you just learned so many things.

Speaker 21 (01:32:14):
But the guacamole that Tim whips up is worth the
trip a line so it comes and I thought I
will pass this by you to see if you think
this passes Jack Thames Pub test. It's avocado with kilipinos,
red onion, lime juice and coriando.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
Oh cheeky, yeah, just extraordinary, and I feel like the
jalapeno is kind of offsetting the creaminess of the of
the avocado as well. You know you've got the heat
and in the core cheeky yeah, Okay, plenty of salt
in there as well. I reckon salt.

Speaker 21 (01:32:47):
What about truffles, Yes, for a complete pellet change venture
to truffle Watch.

Speaker 20 (01:32:53):
Now.

Speaker 21 (01:32:53):
They're based in Pieing, Auraa and you can have a
wed dabble with sustainably grown black peer regard truffles. So
truffle Ward is just one or a handful of commercial
blocks in New Zealand. Again, you can do a little
tour with Lance and Nicky who own it. They do
great urs in their true for year, which is the
official name for a truffle orchid, and it's got several

(01:33:16):
hundred several hundred English oak and hazel nut trees and
then the truffle spores attached themselves to the tree roots underground.
And I mean, man, if you have a bump of crop,
you will feel like you've won Lotto Division one because
one truffle gram sells for about four dollars one gram. Yeah,

(01:33:39):
I mean, it's such a mercurial sort of industry. Every
season is so different, it can be so hidden miss
And the amazing thing about it in the New Zealand context,
possums are our biggest truffle thieves.

Speaker 10 (01:33:53):
They are a menace.

Speaker 21 (01:33:54):
They will sniff them out, they'll dig them up, and
they'll happily binge on several thousand dollars worth of truffles overnight.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
That I necessarily knew that possums could dig, but of
course they can do you know. That's yeah right. So,
I mean it's quite a secretive world, the truffle world day.

Speaker 21 (01:34:10):
Oh, it's actually quite menacing. There is so much sabotage
overseas in the Truple World in France. Lance was saying
to me that in front, a lot of truffle pigs
and dogs are just stolen or mysteriously disappear or are
found shot because the rivalry between producers is just so fierce.

Speaker 10 (01:34:31):
There's very little collaboration, right, and.

Speaker 21 (01:34:34):
Even in New Zealand, people tend to keep to themselves.

Speaker 10 (01:34:40):
Interestingly.

Speaker 21 (01:34:40):
Yeah, so, Lance said to me that the only fellow
producer that they've managed to sort of swat notes with
and glean a bit of advice from is a family
in Oregon. And that is after that family had actually
created one hundred million dollar in your business, and then
well we can start to share ourselves around a bit.

Speaker 10 (01:35:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:35:00):
Right.

Speaker 21 (01:35:02):
So the other really cool thing about Truffle World is
alongside the actual raw t they also do some really
cool products. So try things like truffle and fused oil,
truffle salt, and best of all, they're a wonderful truffle
balsam vinegar that really hit the spot for me.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
Yeah, okay, cool. So what are some of the headline
events in Flavors of Plenty this year?

Speaker 21 (01:35:25):
Yeah, Well, wildly popular is what they call the Battle
of the Snack.

Speaker 10 (01:35:30):
This is a bit of me, and I'm sure it's
a bit of you, two jeck.

Speaker 21 (01:35:32):
So basically, it's a whole lot of really tasty snacks
and canterpase and you can just graze heartily all over.

Speaker 10 (01:35:39):
The Plenty in pursuit of the Battle of the Snack.

Speaker 21 (01:35:42):
So they what the organization does is they team up
a top local chef with like a rising culinary talent,
and these pears will compete against each other to get the.

Speaker 10 (01:35:56):
Nod for the best snack.

Speaker 21 (01:35:57):
The other big competition is called Plates of Plenty, so
they'll have about twenty eateries going head to head, and
each etery receives a box of local produce and products
and I've got to just confine themselves to those items
to create a signature dish, and then diners ultimately vote

(01:36:17):
for the winning dish.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
Yeah, oh mate, that's so good. Any novelties that are
worth mentioning this year?

Speaker 21 (01:36:24):
Well, I was grazing the program and there are just
so many events over the eighteen delicious days of Flavors
of Plenty. But yeah, some really cool temptations. I like
the sound of the big fat Greek Cypriot lunch. I
really like the sound of a cake and cocktails picnic.
Bit different because you're so partial to all things Mexican Jack,

(01:36:46):
I thought of you with respect to Rosy's Red Hot
canteena which is in the Mount Great Joint. In the Mount,
they are hosting the Wings of Fire Challenge, so think
Coney Island and hot dogs with hot sauce. Wow, escalating
spice levels of hot locally made hot sauces on each
chicken wing to find who can win the Battle of attrition.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
Basically, yeah, great, ah, fantastic, Okay, cool, this sounds really good.
I've never been to Flavors of Plenty. That could be
a be a bit of me I reckon, especially over
eighteen days superb. So Mike's article is up on the
news talks 'DB website if you want to know a
bit more about Flavors of Plenty. We've got all the
details for this year's festival there. Thank you very much, sir.
We we'll catch again this time next Saturday before midday

(01:37:31):
on News Talks. He'd be new music from Harry's Styles
Kiss all the Time Disco occasionally is the name of
the new album and he's gone in a different direction.
He always tries to go in kind of a different direction.
Harry styles, that's his thing, So we'll have a bit
of a listen to that. Pick out a couple of
songs and share those with you. We've got your book
picks for this weekend coming up shortly as well. Right now,

(01:37:51):
it is twenty nine past eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team
on News Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
Edb damn Bam.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
This is Dancingrself Clean LCD sound System. Honestly one of
my favorite bands ever. My favorite thing when I lived
in New York. One my favorite thing, one of the
many things I enjoyed doing when I lived in New
York was that if I had been away and I
flew back into the city, especially if I was coming
from New Zealand, I would often the nature of the
flight schedules meant that you often landed at like midnight

(01:38:52):
at Newark Airport in New Jersey, and I used to
love if I was flying at from New Zealand to
New York, you get in at midnight, or maybe if
the flight was a bit delayed to get in at
one am and you'd be on the New Jersey Turnpike.
You'd get in the car, you'd be driving back towards
Manhattan and you'd see the whole of New York City,
the whole styline lined up in East of Love, putting
all the windows down and then putting LCD sound system

(01:39:15):
on as loud as I could, and be like, yeah,
New York anyway. The reason we're playing a bit of
that is because that apparently is some of the inspiration
for Harry Styles new album. So we'll see if we
can compare that sound to his when we play you
a couple of Harry tracks before midday. After midday, of course,
Jason Pine is going to be on the hot seat
for weekend Sport, and what a weekend of sport it is. Piney,

(01:39:38):
you were focusing on the appointment of the All Backs coach.
Kevin Milamu, who of course was part of that appointment panel,
can be with you as your feature interview this afternoon.

Speaker 22 (01:39:47):
He is, indeed, Jack and a yeah, no, he's on
after midday. You're right though about it being a busy
sporting weekend. Lots of other things to cover off too,
but yeah, without a doubt, the biggest sporting story of
the week, and I guess we've had a bit of
time to reflect now, to ruminate, to let the thoughts
sort of you know, percolate in our minds and kite
keen to hear people's thoughts on on Dave Rennie and

(01:40:08):
his big decisions moving forward. But yeah, Kevin Milamu not
only on the recruitment panel for Dave Rennie but also
part of the review in twenty twenty five, So an
intimate knowledge of what went on the last couple of years,
the course of events that led to the change being made,
and now of course the appointment of Dave Rennie. So yeah,
looking forward to chatting to one of our great all blacks,

(01:40:30):
one of our great rugby men, Kevin Milamu, about that
after midday.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
Yeah, he'll be fantastic. So do you reckon Sam Ruth's
going to win tonight? Well, no Sam Tanner anymore? Right,
So yeah, I mean Sam Tanna will be back. He's
injured for tonight, right Yeah, yeah, yeah for tonight. Yeah,
I don't mean that he's gone for gone for good.
I didn't mean to scare people, but yeah, I think
Sam Ruth will be okay, although I did read that
he's been He's been building up quite a decent body

(01:40:54):
of work in recent times. So if there's any thought
that he might break another record tonight, maybe that might
not happen. But then it's Sam Ruth, isn't it. So
every time he hits the track, something special seems to happen.
We have eyes on it a bit later on tonight
it's yeah, the Track and Field Champs. It's good to
have it back.

Speaker 22 (01:41:11):
On Free to Wear. And actually Tom watsh is on
the show this afternoon as well. He's going for a
fifteenth national shot put title. You know, Jack o'gill's there
as well, so he's always kept honest, but I wonder
after so many how he stays motivated for these things.
You know, he's got his big Diamond League events, the
Commonwealth Games this year at the Olympics in a couple
of years. How does he get himself motivated for an

(01:41:34):
event like this which is quite near the start of
a season. Only a couple of events up till now.
So looking forward to to chatting to Tom Walsh and
Tanner boarders on the show as well. Out of the Warriors,
what are performance last night against the Roosters to start
their season? So yeah, maybe twenty twenty six on an
o Jack, maybe it is yeah, our year, Yeah, who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
Maybe I'm very good? All right, Yeah, well we'll see. Well,
I mean, certainly in true Warriors style, they seem have
swung from one extreme to the other if you have
to compare their preseason games with that performance last night.
But yeah, we see, Thanks so much. Looking forward to
this afternoon. Jason Pine with us for weekend sport right
after the midday news. Of course, it's F one weekend
in Melbourne as well Round one for the twenty twenty

(01:42:15):
six competition. So in a couple of minutes, our book reviewer,
yes you heard it right, our book reviewer Katherine Rains,
who's over in Melbourne for the F one, will give
us her thoughts on the ground track side, as racing
is set to.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
Begin Saturday morning with Jack Tame Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
EDB twelve on News Talks. He'd be Katherine Rains is
our book reviewer. She's with us this morning. Good morning,
Good morning Jack. How is our resident petrol head?

Speaker 23 (01:42:48):
Oh fantastic and Melbourne at the F one could not
be any better.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
Ah, so exciting. So things kick off this afternoon, right,
We've got qualifying. We've got another practice run this afternoon
and then qualifying this evening. I think is six o'clock
New Zealand time at four o'clock your time.

Speaker 23 (01:43:02):
That's correct. So yeah, watched FP one and I f
Peter yesterday which was great. Yeah, it's just it's awesome.
But the atmosphere is fantastic. This is always the cars everything.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
Yeah, so this is your first time you've been to
any f one weekend day. You're a massive, massive Motorabale fan.
Your first time on any one weekend. So what surprised
you about it? What? What hadn't you anticipated?

Speaker 23 (01:43:25):
I don't think i'd quite anticipated how like large the
track was. I knew it was, but just yeah, just
and what's going on around it as well, like the
atmosphere around it, and what's going on in Melbourne. Like
I've you know, I saw Little Hamilton and I've seen
Felfry boats. I've seen Max for stepping and I've blog
off the track. So a couple of them white complete accident.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
So amazing. Yeah, what's going on? Yeah? Yeah, so what
about the sound, Because you've got new cars this year, right,
and they've got this sort of they're almost like Hybrid's ay,
they've got the they've got the normal motive, but they've
also got a kind of battery thing inside them. So
what is the sound of the cars like? Is it
what you anticipated?

Speaker 23 (01:44:05):
No, I think it's less and general kind of when
chatting to people around the track, the general thought is
that but it's still loud, don't get me wrong, but
the general thought is that it's definitely quieter.

Speaker 10 (01:44:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
And are people happy about that or a bit miffed?

Speaker 23 (01:44:18):
No, No one seems particularly bothered. I mean f P
one was interesting because they were obviously all out testing
the cars and you know, trying to work out how
well it was going, and it was a bit. If
we're P one they were pretty quiet.

Speaker 12 (01:44:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:44:28):
If P two they just absolutely took off.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
They gunned it.

Speaker 23 (01:44:32):
Yeah, certainly wouldn't want to be Aston Martin, that's for sure.
I think that's probably pretty stressful few days for them.

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 23 (01:44:38):
You know, Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren, they're all up there as
you would expect.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
Very good. Oh look, I'm going to be thinking of
you all throughout the weekend, and I'm sure you're not
going to have a whole lot of downtime. But if
you did and you were looking for something good to read,
well good news, as you've got two recommendations that you'd share.
So let's begin this morning with Witch Trail by Harriet Tye.

Speaker 23 (01:44:58):
So this story is told from the perspective of a
guy called Matthew Phillips, and he's a heart surgeon and
he's been called for jury service and despite the fact
that could have been excused due to the nature of
his job, he decides that he's going to perform his
civic duty, not for a you know, he's not because
he really feels he has to, but actually because he's
trying to escape issues in his work in personal life.

(01:45:19):
And it's not as easy as what he thinks when
he discovers that he's actually part of this jury for
two girls who are on trial for more murdering their
school friend. And the two girls called Eliza Lawson and
Elizabeth Smith, and they're accused of murdering and bullying this
eighteen year old girl called Christian Shaw whose body was
found in Edinburgh Park And to add into the mix,
they decide to claim to be witches. And Matthew at

(01:45:42):
this point is starting to recreate his choices and life
is beginning to unravel in ways that you wouldn't expect.
And Tis the author takes you into the inner workings
of the Scotland jury system and the antics that have
gone on in this particular jury room, and Matthew's mindset
is really odd, and the jury are not above twisting
the rules, and the jury members and the lawyers and

(01:46:05):
evidence and the girls are under complete scrutiny with these
changing perspectives and kind of a hysteria that's growing around
this case and the trial and public sentiment labels the
young woman, depending on what side you're on, as either
a victim or a villain. And social media and the
fair and that blurring of boundaries of what's real and
his box has this really tense, tense atmosphere and lots

(01:46:27):
of layers and it's actually really quite unsettling. But it's
a really interesting look at what constitutes truth and judgment.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
Okay, yeah, this sounds really intriguing. So that's Witch Trail
by Harriet Tice. You've also read The hard Line by
Mark Greeney, so.

Speaker 23 (01:46:42):
This is You've got lots of action and danger and
death in this and it centers on international intrigue in
the US intelligent community. And the main character is a
guy called Court Gentry, and he's a former CIA Parliament,
Parliament Palamilitary operations officer, and he's quite perceptive and he's able.
He's one of those guys that can sort of sum

(01:47:02):
up a situation pretty quickly. And his former boss, a
guy called Harle Hangley, has been commissioned by the Director
of Intelligence and Operations to set up this undercover intelligence
group to grapple with who in the US government has
been leaking secrets to the Chinese and Russians. And so
Hanley sends Gentry down to Nicoagua to reserve to rescue

(01:47:24):
this intelligent ast who's in danger, and what follows next
just goes horribly wrong, and he encounters these two Chinese
nationalists and he's lucky to escape with his life along
with the asset. And then kind of back in the US,
there's this guy called James Westwood who's determined to be
elected a senator from New Hampshire and has this great

(01:47:45):
ambition to become president and to achieve his goal, he's
done a deal with the Chinese in exchange for intelligence
that the Chinese want so much more on return and
it sets off the series events and so there's multiple
plots criss crossing. There's lots of action and intrigue. And
the author Greenya is a great storyteller and it's with
interesting characters of action.

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
Oh so good, all right, this sounds this sounds fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:48:09):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
So that's The hard Line by Mark Greeney. Your first
book is Witch Trailed by Harriet Tyres. Both of those
will be on the website. Of course. You have an
amazing weekend, Catherine. I'm going to be scouring the TV coverage.
I'm going to be looking at there the whole timing.
I'll be looking at this Lewis Hamilton on the left,
this Toto Wolf over there. Okay you ah, there's this
step and stepping in. Maybe Liam Lawson's passing through fro
there's Katherin, there's Catherine.

Speaker 10 (01:48:31):
Only.

Speaker 5 (01:48:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:32):
Yeah, seriously, have an amazing time. Can't wait to hear
about a day.

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
Thank you giving you the inside scoop on all you
need to know this Saturday Morning with Jack Team News
talks it.

Speaker 12 (01:48:43):
Me j.

Speaker 8 (01:48:49):
Friend.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
That's Harry Styles. The song is called American Girls. He's
got a brand new album called Kiss all the time
disco occasionally, which is a confusing title. As I've said
on multiple occasions, This morning, Chris Schultz has been listening
to the album and as well as this morning, Good morning, sir.

Speaker 17 (01:49:21):
Go to Jack.

Speaker 19 (01:49:22):
You're right, I don't like that title either.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
What's the deal with the title?

Speaker 8 (01:49:25):
Do we know?

Speaker 19 (01:49:27):
It probably relates to the album cover? Right, He's got
to disco ball on there. This this is an album
that has its roots in that kind of like New
York early two thousands club scene. You could hear it
in that song. There's a bit of a thump to it.
So he wants this to be experienced on a dance floor. Yeah,
he's a man of refined tastes. Howry starts. You know,

(01:49:48):
he's not a man who I think who would walk
into a coffee shop and order a double shot late.
He's probably getting like a chumric later something like that.
You see him in the widely pants and the button
down cardigan's of therapy chic. I saw someone describe.

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
Yeah, that's a good term. Yeah, Hey, I mean he's
definitely he He looks like he's always kind of determined
to be thought of as an artist. Yeah, like he's
not just kind of going like pop pit pop up
pop pit popit all the time totally, and he puts
a lot of thought into his kind of presentation in
every sense. But yeah, I mean I was interested when

(01:50:26):
I heard that he'd kind of been listening to LCD
sound System and he've been going to a couple of
their shows and was seeking that iss inspiration. I thought, oh,
this could be a bit of me.

Speaker 19 (01:50:36):
It is too like he's he has done what he
set out to do, which he's made this kind of
soft you know, an album full of soft bangers. It
is a front to back listen. You do want to
hear it in full. It's an album experience. I think
where the criticism comes in is that he hasn't leaned
into it far enough. He hasn't fully immersed himself into
that club space almost. I feel like you can't help

(01:50:58):
but compare this to Bruno Mars album from last week right,
where's it's so much honoring what's been, and Bruno Mars
is sort of seventy pop, the Jackson five, that kind
of thing that it almost becomes pistigious, doesn't add enough
new things to it to forge its own identity, and
that's certainly the case with this Harry Styles album. There
are some big songs on here. American Girl is the

(01:51:20):
one everyone's listening to right now, I love Aperture. The
first single Pop has these beautiful horns in it, and
there are some choruses in here that would sound amazing
at one of those thirty Madison Square Gardens shows he's doing, yeah,
or if you're traveling to Australia, which you'll have to
do to see him over here. But there's also moments
where his voice just doesn't quite fit. Especially on some

(01:51:41):
of the verses. It just sounds a little awkward. It's
still spoken word, almost like James Murphy does what else
he sees sound system. There are these spoken word bits
and so it just doesn't quite go far enough to
make it original and new and special the whole way through.
But there are definitely moments here where this does connect.

Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
Yeah, I'm glad there are some moments. And it's funny
you say that about the voice not quite fitting, because
that's what he said as well. So she listened to
it and she was like, oh, it's just like it's
like he's got a good voice, just like his voice
isn't quite right. For it or something.

Speaker 19 (01:52:13):
It's that you know, we've spoken about these artists like
Lord and Lily Allen who are diving into their personal
lives and being super raw, and these songs feel more
like their stories. About his friends. He mentions a lot
of names American girls, that the hookahs all my friends
are falling for American girls. Yeah, it's not about him, right,
And so I don't feel like I get to know
Harry Styles sure any better with.

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
This album than not the kind of vulnerability that you
might expect. Yeah, yeah, And I mean he does, like
really noticeably kind of shift the sound between his albums,
like he's quite purposeful in doing that. But I wonder
is there He's probably beyond this being concern, but is
there a risk that he kind of ends up, you know,
isolating some of his fans or something or not. He's
too He shows at Madison Square Garden Jake that.

Speaker 19 (01:52:59):
He didn't even have the album out when he did that.
He sold them all out. I read the story the
other day. Yeah, I read a story about people are
wrenching out their couches for hundred dollars a night for
fans who are coming to see those shows. Like that's
how big he is. When you've got these six he's
written six of the biggest pop songs in the last
ten years. They're just you bitquitous, and when you've got those,
you can it doesn't matter if new album connects or not.

(01:53:21):
You can build a stadium show around. I would love
to see how we work these songs into the mix.
By the way, I think some of them would really
connect in a stadium, super loud around fans who are
like all dancing and singing along. Yeah, we won't get
that chance, unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
Yeah, no, no, no, we won't unfortunately. Okay, So what'd
you give it?

Speaker 19 (01:53:40):
I give it three and a half starts.

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
Okay, all right, Yeah that's a lad seven out of
ten if you prefer that way, all right for kiss
all the time? Just go occasionally by Harry Styles. So
we listened to a bit of Aperture before we listen
to American girls will pick out pop. Maybe haven a
bit of listen to that one in a couple of minutes.
Thank you so much, Chris. You've recovered from electric air. No, no,
not at all. It's good to honestly believing to hear

(01:54:04):
you say that. Given the number of shows you go
that maybe you do need a little bit of a
rest a week break.

Speaker 19 (01:54:09):
I'm going to just lie on the couch and watch
some TV.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
Good I'm pleased to hear it. Well, thank you very much.
You can hear more from Chris of course on his
substeck boiler Room. Bit more Harry Styles in a couple
of minutes. It's eight to twelve on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 12 (01:54:23):
Cragging.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
Way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack Team
News talks B.

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
Oh my gosh it races by, doesn't it Saturday mornings?
Such a pleasure to be with you for Saturdays. Thank
you so much for all of your messages and texts
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That's the fastest way to get there, the fastest way
to find everything. Thanks to my wonderful producer Libby for

(01:54:50):
doing the tough stuff. I'm going to be back with
your next Saturday morning, and of course Jason Pine is
going to have a weekend sport right after the midday
news on News Talks HEB. We're going to leave you though,
with Harry Styles. His new album is kiss All the
time disco occasionally and this song is called pop.

Speaker 20 (01:55:06):
O Kats Waiting to be of games.

Speaker 12 (01:55:12):
They say you.

Speaker 20 (01:55:15):
First time tasting. It's nice touings to play together together.

Speaker 12 (01:55:31):
It's just me on my head.

Speaker 8 (01:55:45):
To stop.

Speaker 3 (01:56:50):
Specy stop

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
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