Full Show Podcast: 16 May 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talk SEDB.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Good and new Zealing.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Good morning, Welcome to news Talk CV. I'm jacktayming with
you through the midday today. I've got to warn you
I am in a triumphant mood. Three nil one two
three nil. Auckland FC over Adelaide last night, securing a
spot in the A League Means Final. We've got the
Phoenix women this afternoon in the final. Auckland FC in

(01:04):
the finals. So good, what a moment Phine Zealand football,
and honestly, what a way to start the day. So
the game, for all condess c was what nine thirty
last night and Nadelaide. I figured that might be a
wee bit too late for me. I went to bed,
woke up this morning. Of course, had the baby in bed.
He's teething at the moment, so he wasn't sleeping well anyway.
I finally managed to rock him back to sleep and
then at about five point thirty I was wide awake.

(01:25):
My wife was asleep, but cunningly I had bought my
headphones and put them on my bedside table. So I
snuggled in underneath the douvet at about five forty this morning,
had my phone on, watched the highlights three goals just
so good, so good. What a way to start the weekend.
We have such a good show for you today. Our

(01:46):
feature inter of you after ten o'clock is the man
behind Slow Horses, Yep mckhern with us in studio. I
love his books. He's been described as the John Lecurrey
of his generation. He is an incredible spy novelist with
a real a real thing for fantastic characters. Jackson Lamb,

(02:08):
of course the star of Slow Horses being top of
the list, so he's going to be with us right
after the ten o'clock news. Before ten, we're in the
kitchen with Nadia Limb. She's got a roasted cabbage wedges
and meso butter recipe she's gonna share, which should be fantastic.
Right now it is eight minutes past nine.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Jack Dame.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
It's one of the many cruelties of motherhood. You can
love your baby unconditionally, you can grow them, you can
literally sustain them with your own body, but at the
end of the day. You can only do so much
for your child. You can change their nappy, you can
feed them a few spoonfuls of kumaa mash, but you
cannot take your baby's first step for them. You can't

(02:50):
say their first word. At first, I thought it was
a fluke. There I was standing over our son, gazing
into his eyes as I wrestled his arms out of
his pajama sleeves, when suddenly he blurted it out, Dad,
not dadda, not bad dad. If I'm totally honest, it

(03:15):
wasn't totally clear what he meant with his first utterance.
Was he using my name? Was he calling me? Was
he trying to impress me? Or just turning shapes over
in that sweet, slobbery little mouth. Can you say dad?
I asked Dad. He said Dad, Dad, Dad. He doesn't

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know what it means, said my wife. But then, as
if disbelieving her own words, she stood above him and
had a crack herself. Can you say mamma? She said, mama, mumma.
He studied her lips, the way they pressed together, the
way the air came out of her nose. He thought

(04:00):
about it, thought about it, and replied, Dad, Ah, sweet
heaven on Earth, she can search speech and language development
and come up with any physiological explanation she likes. Yeah, sure,
maybe the M sound is a bit more complicated for

(04:22):
babies than a D or a B. There's a reason
so many kids say duck or dog as their first word.
Marva reckons he's actually at the point where he uses
the word to mean the both of us. But of
course I have to disagree. I'm confident our son is
so brilliant and bright that he has approached his linguistic

(04:43):
development with purpose and intent, and when it comes to
his vocabulary, he has implemented a strict prioritization. We're now
a few months in. The more our son says Dad,
the more he has come to understand that he gets
a reaction. He can offer up a few sounds. He
knows that a sheep says bah, and that a snake

(05:07):
says and he uses rah rah to mean his brother.
But he still only really has the one proper word.
Do you want more food, We'll ask Dad. Look at that,
We'll say, is a beautiful border collie runs past us
in the park? Dad? And best of all, still, can

(05:30):
you say mamma? Dad? It won't last forever. Obviously a
non balance. I'm willing to concede that it's probably a
good thing. Kids grow quickly. One minute you're swaddling them
in one of those cute little hooded towels. The next thing,
they're queuing up to renew a driver's license. But when
the Plunket Nurse filled out his book this week, recording

(05:53):
his development for all eternity, I was pleased to see
her as an independent party settle any household debate once
and for all. Our son has one word, the Plunket
book says. He says it often three letters, one syllable.
Jack ninety two ninety two is the text number if

(06:17):
you want to send us a message this morning. Jacketnwstalks,
dB dot co, dot z is my email address. If
you are going to send me a text, I forget
the standard text costs apply. Before ten o'clock, we're going
to tell you about this amazing new New Zealand film
called Caterpillar. Our movie reviewer is going to be in shortly.
Next up, though, Kevin Milner is here to kick us
off for our Saturday morning together. It's thirteen minutes past nine.

(06:39):
It's Saturday morning. I'm Jack tame. This is Newstalk's EDB.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well, you're heading out to start your Saturday turn off
Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Tabe on News Talk zed.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
B right, oh, quarter past nine on News Talks. Thank
you for your messages. Jacket's easier for babies to say
d than m all babies say data first. It means nothing.
It's just that it's the easiest. Well, here you go.
The person who's sent that text is called Maria something
to I'm not I'm not saying you're wrong, Maria. I'm

(07:12):
just saying that, given your name starts with a name,
you've got skin in the game here, don't you. Jack
so gorgeous? Is Lee brilliant? Been there, done that three times?
Says David. If you missed it, here he is again
one more time. Dad, Dad, Dad says it for dog,
says it for basically everything. If I'm if I'm being

(07:34):
one hundred percent honest, anyway, I'll get tomorrow your feedback
in a couple of minutes. Ninety two ninety two. If
you want to send us a text. I think that
Maria is honestly right. I think if I'm being one
hundred percent truthful, then it is a little bit easier
for babies to make the d sound. Givin Meloner's with
us this morning killed her koda.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Well, there's a moment this morning, isn't that we have
your lovely son on on the media.

Speaker 6 (07:58):
Yes, for the first.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
Time, making his debut on the airwaves.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
Money Teams at the airwaves.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yeah, yeah, he's I mean, you know, we we often
lament and in the in the broadcasting business that given
the state of the finances, we're hiring people younger and younger,
i e. Cheaper and cheaper than ever. But I think
this is probably going to see a bit of a record.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
I think it's fantastic. I wasn't sure for a second
whether it was you doing an imitation. Yeah, which was
pretty good, and I'm delighted to hear that it was
a real thing.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
It was a real thing. Just before I left this morning,
I thought, oh, you know what, and I said, hey, Manie,
can you say dad? He said Dad?

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Well, I think that that was from the Roten's a
bit of a party pooper. Really, who knows what kids
are going to say first? And I would if I'd
take it all the pleasure you can. Yeah. Out of
the fact that he's gone for.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
The D word exactly.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
It happened with my grandchildren. My name to my grandchildren
is stumpy. Stumpy, yeah, but it's turned in because they
can't say yes, it's it's now turned into dumpy.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
I'm not sure, honestly, what is what is less flattering
of the two options? Maybe dumb dumpy by a nose,
but yeah, both options are bet Isn't that that's funny?
So you don't you didn't want to be called granddad
or pop or grandpa or anything.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (09:23):
The dad, the dad my son used to call me
stumps when you were growing up, and we thought we'd
just keep that thing going.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Isn't that interesting? I think there's a real trend actually
with grandparents who are choosing different names, aren't they. Because
my my dad he is called Skip, so the grandkids
call him Skip. Yeah, which is which is the funny thing?
He wouldn't Yeah, he doesn't. He doesn't have a granddad
or a paw or anything. So yeah, I think it's
a bit of a trender. Kevin, Yeah, oh.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
No, definitely, the great kid Quinn, he he's grumps, I
think one of the other.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, they're all quite still quite endearing, aren't they? But anyway, Ken,
you have been observing people in their gardens this week.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
Yeah, so here's a question where Jack, what is the
expression doing the edges mean to you?

Speaker 4 (10:13):
I know exactly what it means when it comes to
the garden, because I've got a couple of fanatics either
side of me, and I think they always look at
my ages with disdain.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
Well, there are two common meanings. One makes a lot
of sense, the other, in my opinion, very little. This
being a New Zealand Saturday morning, I imagine some people
will be getting out their garden from us and doing
the edges, wandering around the edges of their lawns, trimming
any grass that's sticking out. The idea, I believe is

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to create a clean, crisp lawn perimeter. When I'm out
walking the dog, I see these people and I think
to themselves, have they nothing better to do? Who cares
that the perimeter of your lawn looks clean and crisp.
Doesn't the lawn mower itself tidy up anything of fence?

(11:07):
They of course maybe wondering if I've got nothing better
to do than walk the dog. Fair point, But it's
necessary for both of us, and it's fun. Does anyone
get any fun out of doing the edges? I may
be biased because when I was a kid, I not
only had to mow the lawns, but do the edges
with a pair of hedge trimmers on the knees. We

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couldn't afford the trimmers with long handles. I right, just
string out a length of garden line to make sure
I got the edges straight and on the knees. I'd
be wondering, who.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Cares about the edges of our lawn? Now.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
On the other hand, Jack the other doing the edges
makes a lot of sense. We're talking jigsaw puzzles now,
and the technique of always starting by completing the edge
of the puzzle first, giving yourself a framework to work inwards.
You'd be a puzzle within your Jack.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
I'm not a puzzler. And do you know when you
said doing the edges, I thought there was only one
word for it. I immediately went to lawn care.

Speaker 5 (12:10):
Yes, so did I see. But I checked it up
online and most people use the expression to do with
jigsaw puzzles. Doing the edges sense technique, of course, So
my advice to anyone proposing to do the edges of
their lawns today. Forget it, waste of time. Go buy

(12:31):
a jigsaw puzzle and mass of the technique of doing
the edges on that instead live a little So what
I have to say on that, Jack?

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yeah, well, do you know. The funny thing is I
can be you know, particular, and I I do. I
don't have the time to do it, but I do
look at my neighbors with their with their precise edges
on the berm, and I think it's I do look
at it with with a degree of envy. I think, well,

(13:03):
that does that does look good? You know, it does
look it looks sharp, looks like it's like a short
back and sides for your for your burm. You know.
Part of me, I must admit, is a little bit
seduced by the idea of having really precise edges like that.
But it's I think I almost think that the people
who do it, they do it for the same reason.
It's like the Japanese zen gardens. We're just raking sand.

(13:25):
You know, it's not such a mindless activity and so
so relatively meaningless in the grand context of life, but
there's something that's actually and for disconnecting and you know,
you know, being connected to the outdoors and things. There's
something that's actually really relaxing in and I wonder if
there's something something in that.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
Yeah, there may be something mesative maybe process.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, in the same way that there is with jigsaws,
you know.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
Yeah, and and frankly walking your dog similar Yeah, yeah, yeah,
so I brother walk the dog. But yes, you will
never see me out doing the edges.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
No fair enough to all right, Kevin, have a great weekend.
We will catch you, sir and Kevin Well kicking the
show off this morning. Jack, apart from hearing the first
cry when born, the best sound from a baby is
the first words is clear, pure love, love love. I
heard that cute wee voice of your darling son. Have
a great rest of your show, and Maria's come back
to me. Jack. I've had four kids. I'm definitely right.

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The d sound is a lot easier than the m
enjoy it well, you can, says Maria. Good on you.
Twenty three past nine. Our sportos are next on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
Twenty six past nine on News Talks EDB. Jack, you
gotta tell Kevin, there is a difference to having a
lawn of grass versus a lawn versus a lawn full
of weeds, says Terry. Jack's so cute. Loved your son's
little voice this morning ninety two. If you want to
send us a message our Sporto. Andrew Savill is here. Three,
Neil sav Not sure if you saw that this morning,
three Nel. If it was the yeah, just so good,

(15:05):
so good.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
I think that have to be arguably the best performance
in Auckland FC's brief history.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
From home widely considered the toughest, the toughest venue for
any team, any visiting team in the A League going
to Adelaide one all on aggregate, knowing that basically or
you have to win if you want to make the
A League Final. It was this point last year where
they stumbled. They come in third at the end of

(15:34):
the regular season.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Dominant, dominant before yeah, yeah, and we've been waiting, or
the fans have been waiting a long time this season
to see a dominant performance like that. Let's not forget
they've had a few injuries. Gamo Mai didn't play and
as I would say, still in doubt for the final.
He's a key weapon up front. Francis to Freezer is

(15:57):
still you know, coming back from injury. He played off
the bench, so it was a it was a masterful display.
I think Steve Coriican need the coach needs a big
pat on the back after that one all drawer in
the First League last week in Auckland. He was upbeat,
he was positive. I don't know, we're in the box
set and everyone was thinking you mad mate. But the
positive nature of the build up and the week they

(16:19):
had obviously in Auckland, and the fact that it was
it was nil all basically going into Adelaide and all
they needed to do was win, then I think the
players clearly felt that and the players went in with
a positive mindset. They attacked well. Jesse Randal g he's
going to be missed next season.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
He is just so fast man. You know.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Every time he gets the ball, yeah, he something happens. Yeah,
it feels like he's going to he's going to test
the mate down that left side.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
I remember watching some of those pretty good All Whites teams,
including eighty two Winton Rufer. Uh, there's a guy called
Mike mcgowry. I don't know I don't know if you
remember him, but that sort of play. Every time he
touched the ball, it was exciting. Something always happened, and
Jesse Randall reminds me a little bit of him.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Of course, I've been saying that since he first since
he first came on the pictures as a sub for
Auckland f C. I've been going on and on and
on about it to Jason Pine. But here's my hot
take as well. I reckon Jesse Randall is going to
be for us in the World Cup. I reckon he's
going to potentially have an outsized role. There's a lot
of focus on Chris would of course as the kind
of talisman, but I reckon there is no substitute for

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a bit of youthful pace and aggression up front. And
I reckon we need to give Jesse Mandal as much
opportunity as possible.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Anyway, hopefully now now so they will play either Newcastle
or Sydney FC in the Grand Final. If Newcastle wins
later tonight, it'll be in Newcastle. If Sydney f C
upset and win, and I'm sure the Aukland f C
lads will be cheering for Sydney f c which wouldn't
happen often. The Fine Grand Final will be in Auckland,
so there's still a chance it'll be interesting.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
If that happens. Well, I mean in a way, given
there away record recently, you think, well, actually maybe maybe
it's not such a bad thing if we were playing
in Newcastle. But if that happens, I wonder if the
pressure will be on to have the game at Eden Park.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah, I'd say it. I'd say it would be enough
that would happen.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
I don't know, yeah, but I mean the A League
will be trying to squeeze every dollar out of it.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
I think the Blues got to buy next week.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
They do here you go, they do have a buy
next week.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
And the Phoenix women.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yeah, that is the A League final this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah, it is Melbourne City in Melbourne. Very very tough
assimon in. Melbourne City has been pretty much the benchmark
in this women's competition since it started several years ago.
But great to see the Phoenix have had a very
good season, massive turnaround for the club under the guidance
of this coach, Bev Priestman, who's who's worked wonders. Great
for football, great for women's football. Football on a bit

(18:56):
of a high at the moment, and then if these
two clubs do well and happen to win both championships,
then you go into the World Cup and it's on
a wave.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Yeah. Yeah, it's actually been an amazing week. If you
step back, you think we've just named a named a
team for the men's World Cup. Auk on the FC
through to the final, Phoenix women in the final tonight. Yeah,
what a great week from New film football. Hey the
chief I mean it sort of felt like things were
over relatively soon last night, but too there's some pretty

(19:25):
pretty competitive moments in the chief Landers last night.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Excuse me, I think the Hayland is a little bit unlucky. Yeah,
they've had one of those seasons where they've gone closed.
I've they've stuck with teams and games and then they've
just been pipped. So yeah, it was a thirty point margin.
It blew out in the end, but the Chiefs did
what they had to do at home, especially forty two twelve.
They're now second or still second of the Canes a top.

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The Blues are third. The Canes play the Blues at
Eden Park tonight. Should be a big, big night at
that venue, the two teams that started the competition thirty
long years ago playing tonight, and I think no matter
what happened, I'm pretty sure that the standings on the
table will still be one, two, three. Cane's Chiefs Blues,

(20:12):
so big, big night. He had wonderful day yesterday, Jack
at the the Blues launched their Hall of Fame. And
I know the Crusaders have done these now for three
or four years. I think every franchise needs to do it.
I know most teams work hard with their alumni and
and and remember the past. I still don't think it's
something that this country does a great job of, especially

(20:33):
in rugby union, about remembering the past, remembering the stars.
But it was a great day yesterday. Sean Fitzpatrick, Zenni,
zin Zan Brock and Carlos Spencer the first three inductees
into the Blues Hall of Fame. A lot of a
lot of great faces from the past in the in
the in the theater at the Convention Center. It was.
It was fantastic to see and well done the Blues

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for recognizing their great past.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah, no, I totally agree. It's the sort of thing
that they can really double down on. You think and
kind of trying to build a bit more culture around
some of the super rugby teams at the night dumb
and Rugby's under a lot of pressure. Thank you, sir,
have a good weekend. We will catch again very soon
our Sporto Andrew Saville there before ten o'clock. We have
this amazing recipe for you. Is this a perfect little

(21:19):
winter warmer and there's a little bit of a new
ARMI twist on it, So a roasted cabbage with miso
butter recipe. Nadia Lim's going to be cooking it up
for us and she's going to share the recipe. It's just,
you know, cabbage is one of those things where I
feel like, when cooked poorly, is just so bad. But
and when prepared boringly, it's just like sola really. But

(21:43):
you're able to elevate it if you just if you
go about things the right way, and I reckon this
is one of those recipes that is going to do
just that. So we will share the recipe very shortly.
Next up, though, your film picks for this weekend, including
a cracking new movie from a New Zealand filmmaker of
some serious filmmaking Lineage twenty seven to ten, Crack in

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the Pavement.

Speaker 7 (22:14):
I'm a slip.

Speaker 8 (22:15):
No, I'm afraid my fortune.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
She's a class box.

Speaker 9 (22:20):
Just know what I'm playing.

Speaker 10 (22:22):
But a foca fe good for t that'd start and
no one, So clearly it was woodshots.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
The delicate tones of American singer songwriter Gracie Abrams teasing
her recently announced fourth album. It's called Daughter from Hell
and the single is called Hit the Wall. She does
have beautiful voice a She's open for Olivia Rodrigo, done
collabs with. She's won a handful of Breakthrough Artist awards

(22:54):
last year, so no doubt. One to keep your ears on,
as it were, right over twenty three minutes to ten
on News be Friends. She's car Rudkin is our film reviewer,
and she's with us this morning, killed her Good morning.
We only got two films for us, both of them
are showing at the movies this week, not streaming at home.
Let's begin with one that I am almost certain that

(23:14):
is not for me. If she used this much to you,
this is obsession.

Speaker 6 (23:20):
And I know she does.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
To say, Nikki, I think we should grab a drink.
Sometimes yelling at bone, I.

Speaker 11 (23:30):
Wish Nikky, freaming, loving more than anyone.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
That the dam that's obsession, and it looks like it
would make me a little bit anxious.

Speaker 12 (23:42):
It's really good. The budget was about a million backs.
It's by a director, a guy called carry Backer. He
was a TikToker, did content, done a couple of short films,
did quite a long short film, almost a feature film,
but this is probably his first feature. And what we
often see is the directors often use horror films as
an opportunity to get a feature out because they are

(24:03):
you can come up with quite a clear idea, and
they're affordable, and they can then go on and make
a whole lot of money. And I think that this
is one that might just through word of mouth, do
really really well. The premise is really simple. It's be
careful what you wish for. It's that old sort of
the monkey's Poor kind of story. We've got these four
young adults, they're in their sort of their twenties, they're
trying to work out what to do with their lives.
They all work at this music store and what feels

(24:24):
like a relatively sort of small town. And we've got
Bear played by Michael Johnston, and he's got a crush
on his coworker Nicki, played by Indie Navaretti, and she's
kind of friend zoned him, and one night they're about
to meet up and she comments she's lost her necklace,
so he stops at this shop to buy her a
new crystal necklace. And he's a bit distracted by this

(24:45):
kind of novelty gift and it's a one wish Willow,
and it's basically this little bit of this sort of
stick and you break it and you make a wish,
and you know, auto dreams come true. The night doesn't
quite go according to Plant because Bears decided this is
a night he's going to admit to Nikki that he
has some feelings for her. It doesn't go according to Plants,
and then he in a bit of a sort of
a promptrue mood, he breaks the stick himself, this gift

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he was going to give her, and he basically wishes
that Nicky loves him more than any other person in
the world. And of course this wish comes true, and
you know, Nicki becomes very possessive and completely attached, and
poor Albert is realizing, gosh, there really is a bit

(25:32):
of a consequence to this wish. It's really interesting. It's
very funny.

Speaker 13 (25:36):
It's clear.

Speaker 12 (25:36):
I mean in a way, it's a horror slash dark
comedy slash rom com.

Speaker 6 (25:40):
In a way.

Speaker 12 (25:42):
So it's really funny. It's got some very clever lines.
It's very chilling though, because you know, these characters are
stuck in a nightmare. And that's what's really clever here
is that Nicky knows that she is under duress. Here
there are moments when the real Nicky comes out, so
Bear knows what he is doing to her to drive
her insane. Like this, it turns quite violent, quite bloody,

(26:02):
quite gross, and as I said, it's not a new premise,
but it feels really fresh.

Speaker 13 (26:09):
Hair.

Speaker 12 (26:09):
When I walked into the cinema to watch this film,
they gave me a one wesh willow like, they gave
me the appears like a little gimmick, a little prop
and they gave it to me, and I was like, Oh,
what's this? Is this chocolate?

Speaker 3 (26:21):
That's all excited?

Speaker 12 (26:22):
No, But it all become clear when I got home.
I'm actually really embarrassed to say this. When I got home,
I came straight inside and I went to my wardrobe
and I hid it at the back of the wardrobe,
so that if I bought it upstairs and someone here
saw it and went, oh, hilarious, this is the one
wish thing oh and snapped it, that wish might come true.
That's how disturbed I was by this film. Now, obviously

(26:46):
I went for the next one. I woke up, I went,
you're an idiot, you know, A good sleep and some
sanity had came back to me. But that's that's how
clever they've been with this film. I was really kind
of unnerved and disturbed and entertained and quite delighted by
this number. So if you love the horrors, that should
be at the top of your lisson.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
It's pretty good, very good. Okay, So that is obsession
not showing in cinemas at the moment. Next up, lext
listen to a new Kiwi film. This is Caterpillar A.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
You're right, we did ask that you bring a family
member to the meeting today.

Speaker 6 (27:23):
Have you spoken to your daughter?

Speaker 13 (27:24):
It's pretty clear it's.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
How long? Okay? This is directed by Chelsea Preston Crayford.
Tell us about Caterpillar.

Speaker 12 (27:35):
Okay. This is an absolutely fantastic debut Chelsea Preston Crayford
as an actress who's appeared in all sorts of bits
and pieces, very well known to us, the daughter of
Dame Gailing Preston, the filmmaker, documentary maker. And I think
that she has just put together a very richly observed
film about mothers and daughters. Here it's across three generations.

(27:57):
It is filled with lifes difficulties. It's filled with a
teenager dealing with the teenage years and finding yourself, a
middle aged woman dealing with the struggle of being an
independent filmmaker and a working mother. And then we have
an older person, a grandmother, dealing facing a dimenta diagnosis.
And look, as you heard from the trailer there, it
sounds like it's going to be very heavy and very sad.

(28:20):
But this is what Chelsea has done which is so brilliant,
is she's taken all this honesty and emotion and occasionally
quite brutal words, but she's presented us to us with
this gentle lightness and humor and plenty of warmth. You
will laugh your way through this film before you cry.
I promise. It's her observations of teenage life. And this
is a really other, really cool thing about is you

(28:40):
relate up and down so you know, as a mother
of a daughter, I actually related to Cass who's the teenager.
I was set in early two thousands, and I can
remember being a teenager. I totally related to her experience.
I'm the mother of a teenager. I relate to the
mother who's juggling work and you know, and motherhood and
things like that. And then of course we're all dealing with,

(29:01):
you know, in the Sandwich generation, what's happening with our
older generation and what they're going through. So it's a
film you very much relates sort of up and down
through these characters. And it's very hard to do a
multi protagonist film. Normally you would focus on one character,
and here she spreads the love out, love and a
lot of care in this film over all three characters,
and it really is absolutely delightful. I cannot wait to

(29:24):
see what she does next. I think her attention to
detail on this film, from just the props in the
art direction, to the to the language and things, it's
it's absolutely fabulous.

Speaker 13 (29:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (29:35):
I was really impressed with this.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
I'm really excited to see it because she's lots of
really interesting little things.

Speaker 12 (29:43):
Yeah, yeah, yes, And look, her cast is amazing Anna
Shand is this plays the young cast. She is a
talent on the rise. Go and see this because she
she's going to be everywhere very soon. She's amazing. Lisa
Harrow is in it now. Lisa Harrow is one of
our most successful acting exports. She's been on every stage
with every big actor in the world, and she comes
back and she's playing this beautiful part. And Marta Dustldwarp

(30:05):
is just hilarious as Maxine. The mum are related and
so yeah, there's a lot to relate to. I don't
think that this is purely skew towards women, but I
would say, hey, grab your mum, grab your daughter, grab
your girlfriends, and go and watch it. You will have
a really great laughter cry. But that's not to say
that there's not a lot in here that men won't
enjoy and relate to as well.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah, that sounds really special. I'm excited to see that. Okay,
that's Caterpillar that is showing in cinemas at the moment.
Obsession is also at the movies, and all the details
for those films will be up at Newstalk SEDB dot
co dot NZED.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Where The Weekend finds its Rhythm Saturday Morning with Jack
dam On News Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
If you do just feel like curling up on the
charts this weekend, totally fire by us. That is all good.
And after ten o'clock this morning, we had a couple
of recommendations in our screen time segment for shows that
would be really good to watch from the comfort of
your place, So yeah, we'll be sharing those after ten,
and of course our feature interview right after ten heron
of slow Horses fame. I'm going to tell you about

(31:09):
a little bit more about him very shortly right now though,
thirteen to ten and Nadia Limb is in the kitchen
for us this weekend. Good morning, Marina. You know, cabbage
is one of those things that I just think has
an eternally bad reputation, Like people just feel so bad
about cabbage. And I think it's because cabbage isn't necessarily

(31:32):
cooked well a lot of the time. Am I being fair?

Speaker 14 (31:35):
Well, I used to grow a lot of cabbages and
then I got into this situation where I had too
many cabbages and was like what do I do with
all of them? And you know the thing that your
mind instantly goes to is saw yeah, cabbage, but there's
only so much cabbage slaw you can eat, and in
winter time when cabbages are really cheap, you know, there's

(31:57):
you don't really feel like eating cold.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Slaw, do you?

Speaker 4 (32:00):
No?

Speaker 14 (32:00):
No, Yeah, So I had to come up with some
other ways of cooking it. And I think it was
a restaurant in Auckland called Jamaze Street.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
I certainly do. I love Jamie Yeah, Lebanese on Kevin's Arcade,
Yeah yeah, on Cutting a Happy Road. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 14 (32:18):
And I'm pretty sure that's where I first experienced roasted
cabbage and I.

Speaker 6 (32:21):
Was blown away.

Speaker 14 (32:22):
I was like, wow, whoever thought of roasting cabbage? And
now I think it is quite a trendy thing.

Speaker 12 (32:27):
Yeah, and now we do it at home all the time.

Speaker 14 (32:29):
We roast cabbage. Instead of just turning it into a
cold floor or you know, stirf rying it, we roast it.
Yeah it's delicious.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Oh great. Oh well, I'm very into that. And I
think I'm having a little miso butter in there. Makes
all the difference. I think about one. I go to this,
You've done this before? Well no, I just think sometimes
the key to cabbage is putting it with delicious sauces
I have you, is it Tanooki's Cave. Just to throw
on another another restaurant, an Auckland, which is a little
Japanese restaurant, and they have a dish that's just like

(32:59):
half of a cabbage and it's basically served with like
a metric or like a kilogram of mayonnaise of Japanese mayonnaise,
and so you just like and so basically every bite
is like like one third cabbage, two thirds mayonnaise. And
I'm always like, this is the way to eat. It's
not the healthiest thing in the world, but yeah, I

(33:20):
think I think putting cabbage with the right things can
make all the difference too.

Speaker 13 (33:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (33:24):
So the recipe that I've got for you guys today
is out of my latest cookbook, Nadia's Farm Kitchen, and
it is roasted cabbage weridges with miso butter. One of
my go to pantry staples is meso. Like, if people
ask me what are some interesting flavor things that I
should have in my fridge all the time, miso is
always one of them because I think it just adds

(33:45):
so much delicious, savory depth of flavor to so many things.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
It's the umami isn't it. It's got that the miso.

Speaker 14 (33:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
That's fantastic.

Speaker 14 (33:55):
What you're gonna do for this receive? Firstly, you have
to make like a meso paste.

Speaker 7 (34:00):
Very easy.

Speaker 14 (34:01):
You just make fifty grams of melted butter with one
table spirit of meso paste. People are confused about what
kind of meso to get. I just get white miso
because there are different types of meso. The white meso
is probably the more common one. But you can even
get the one I've got my fridge at the moment.
It's like meso with some dashy paste, which is what

(34:21):
they use for like making a meso soup. So you
can use either, it doesn't matter, go can use either whatever.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
You can find.

Speaker 14 (34:30):
One garlic clove that's been finally grated or crushed, a
tespin of rice vinegar if you like, a quarter of
a testoon of sesame oil. So you make that all
to get into a paste.

Speaker 6 (34:40):
Yep.

Speaker 14 (34:40):
And then you get a small green cabbage. Be you
could go a purple cabbage as well. Actually, if it's
not small, I would go half of a large one, right, yeah,
And then you need to cut either the small cabbage
or the large half into six to eight wedges. So, yeah,
we want those widges to kind of be i'd say
about two centimeters thick, yes, because obviously if they're really

(35:03):
really it will take a lot longer to cook they're
too than they might over cook. But yeah, and then
all you've got to do so get your oven to
two hundred degrees celsius, arrange those cabbage wedges and a
single layer to make sure it's a single layer on
the oven tray with cutside down. Then spoon or brush
the me so butter paste generously over each wedge and

(35:26):
turn them to coat both sides. Reserve a bit of
the meat soo butter for later, just to finish it off.
And then you simply roast the cabbage at two hundred
degrees celsius for twenty five to thirty five minutes, turn
them about halfway through cooking, and your cabbage to turn
out like very deliciously tender, golden and alertle bit crispy
at the edges. Yeah, if it looks like the edges

(35:46):
are browning or burning too fast, you can always reduce
the heat slightly, because of course everyone's ovens is slightly different.
And then when you take them out hot straight out
of the oven. Just brush with a little more of
that mea so butter, and then if you like, you
can sprinkle with cestame seeds, maybe some finely chopped chili,
and to serve a little squeeze of lemon or lime juice.
Delicious amazing side like this is a pretty knockout side.

(36:10):
But I also think that it could be the main
hero of your dish too, Like if you had like
a noodle cutifried noodles or warm noodle cellar or something,
or even some kind of striped rice dish or whatever,
you know, roast potatoes and stuff like, I feel like
the cabbage could be your your hero, part of the
of the of a beautiful vegetarian dish as well.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
It just looks so so good, thank you, and just
one a way to elevate, you know, someone who's usually
the you know, always the bridesman, never the bride and
the cabbage you know, like it really is. It does
sound amazing and kind of adding all of those interesting flavors,
the miso butter, I've set it with a little bit
of chili as well, a little bit.

Speaker 5 (36:54):
Of leading lime.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
Just so good.

Speaker 14 (36:56):
Yeah, Okay, I'm feeling like eating it for breakfast.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
I know, I know does feel a bit like I
have cabbage for breakfast. Yeah. Hey, thank you. So where
can we find that? That's in your latest right Natties Farm?

Speaker 14 (37:06):
Yeah, Naie s I'm catched on the cookboox. But I'll
give you guys the recipe.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
Yeah yeah, We'll check it up newstalksb dot co dot MD.
Nadie Lim, thank you so much. Have a great weekend.

Speaker 14 (37:16):
Yeah you two.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Jack's cheers, sweet ass listening for your Saturday Saturday morning
with Jack Dave on New Stalks.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
A'B five to ten on Newstalks. Thank you very much.
A few messages, Jack, that recipe sounds amazing. Sue asks,
can you mention those two restaurants again please Jack? Okay, So,
Jamaize Street was the first one that is on Kutunghappy
Road in Saint Kibbin's Arcade. That is a Lebanese restaurant.
Jamize Street is one of the main hospitality streets in Beirut,

(37:47):
so there you go, Sue. And the second restaurant was
Tanuki's Cave, which is a bit of an institution as well.
That is a Japanese restaurant and they've got a dish
where it is basically just half of a cabbage and
an entire jar of mayonnaise, which I'm always very fond of,
and every time I have it, I always lie to myself.
I'm like, oh, healthy, skinny, just starting in a little

(38:10):
salad just to begin the evening. Jack okonomy yuki is
a Japanese cabbage pancake, which is also a good way
to use up cabbage. Very good point coming out to
Newstime on Newstaloks. He'd be after ten o'clock this morning,
as well as our screen time recommendations for the weekend.
Our feature interview is the one and only Mick heron.
He's been described as the John Lecurrey of his generation,

(38:31):
and he's had an amazing writing career. So when he
first wrote Slow Horses, the amazing spy series that has
of course been adapted into an Apple TV series starring
Gary Alban. When he first wrote it, it sold so
poorly that his publisher dropped him at the time, but
then something changed. More and more people started reading Slow Horses,

(38:55):
more and more people started loving Jackson Lamb and next
minute mckherron is traveling the world as the Slow Horses
series continues, So he's going to be with us very short.
It's just coming up to ten o'clock the Saturday morning.
I'm Jack tame This is Newstalk zed b.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Your weekend stance right here Saturday morning with Jack tame
On News Talk zedby.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Mony. You were Jack tame On News Talks ed be
so good to be with you this Saturday morning through
the midday. He's been described, of course, as the John
Lecurry of his generation. A megastar of the genre British
by writer Mick Heron has earned millions of fans and
delighted critics worldwide with his thrilling plots, his rich cast
of characters, and dry sense of humor, all of course

(40:06):
wrapped up in his brilliant slough House series. His work
has won way more awards than I can possibly list here.
His novels Slow Horses and Down Cemetery Road have been
adapted into Apple original series Mix in New Zealand. For
his feature event at the Auckland Writers' Festival to introduce
his newest installment in the Slow Horses series, clown Town,

(40:28):
which focuses on a plot in the troubles mckhern with
us in person killed a good morning, Welcome to New Zealand,
and welcome to our show.

Speaker 15 (40:36):
Thank you very much for I'm glad to be here.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
So the first Slow Horses came out in twenty ten,
and I think didn't do especially well at the time.
But if you are to fast forward sixteen years, you
are nine books deep. You have the Apple TV adaptation
with Gary Olvman. You are traveling the world to promote
clown Town. Emma Thompson is starring in an adaptation of

(40:58):
Down Cemetery Road, your first novel from two thousand and three.
How do you make sense of what has changed? Well?

Speaker 15 (41:06):
And a day at a time, so like most of
our lives do, so it doesn't feel that huge a difference.
Now when you say it like that, it's baffling, isn't it.
But it was a long, slow process, and it's one
in which I mean my partner. It has been the
most days, not every day. Most days I just sit

(41:26):
down and got on with the books that I happen
to be writing, and everything else goes on around me. Really,
I mean, my being here is due to the efforts
of people in marketing and at my publishers, and people
who run festivals and so on. I just respond to
invitations and very happily turn up, And as with the

(41:47):
TV shows, it's the same. I mean, that's been an
awful lot of work for an awful lot of other people.
But I'm just there, very occasionally seeing what's going on.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
The reason those other people are so willing to put
on the work is because your work is so beloved. Though,
what do you think it is about? Are you able
to distill the magic? What is it that you think
think is connected with so many people?

Speaker 15 (42:09):
I'm not entirely sure, and I don't investigate it too
closely because it's a feeling that if I did, I
might break something without meaning to. You know, the one
time I remember falling off my bicycle and hurting myself.
I broke my elbow was when I suddenly started realizing
that I was riding a bicycle and how is this happening?
And I started, you know, thinking about it, and then

(42:30):
of course I've fell off. I feel the same way
about the writing. I just carry on doing what I'm
doing and hope that I'm doing it right. But I
rely on intuition. I don't I don't sort of analyze
what readers might expect next, or try to provide what
whenever you meet whatever those expectations might be. I just
do what I've always done, which is right the novel

(42:50):
that's inside me that I need to write.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Jackson Lamb must be the most disagreeable character in modern fiction.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Oh I hope.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
So, I mean, where where does he come from?

Speaker 2 (43:02):
How do you write Jackson?

Speaker 15 (43:04):
It's mostly his lack of film, so that makes him interesting,
I think, and that is partly due to the kind
of character that he is. I'm very strongly of the
opinion that his actions, his behavior, his words are born
essentially out of a kind of self loathing. I mean,
he's not a man who's happy in himself, and that
shows in all the life choices that he makes, you know.

(43:25):
I mean they're smoking, the drinking. I'm not promoting this
as a lifestyle. I'm indicating what I unhappy past. But
he takes a great deal of pleasure in that having
that lack of filter. As I say, he says things
that he knows will wound, and he does it partly,
I have to say, out of a sense of fun.
I mean, he's brutal to people, but he's also quite clever.

(43:47):
I think in and the words that he chooses, and
that's that reflects my own joy in manipulating language. I mean,
I love working on the page. I always feel funny
about doing interviews like this because I mean, I'm a
twelfth draft person. You know, any thing I say now

(44:07):
straight off the top of my head always feels to
me very inadequate and very you know, sort of woefully
lacking in articulously really, Whereas on the page, I can
carry on working over and over until I've got something
that I think sounds right. So lamb Lamb's one liners,
which on the page seem to be spontaneous, you know,
that's stuff that I've sweated over for days on end.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Isn't it curious that you are both someone who is
storytelling on intuition and you are also someone who is
really considered and goes back and meticulously works from draft
to draft to draft. I mean, those two things can
be true at once. I appreciate it.

Speaker 15 (44:43):
They are they're lining out mistakes, both in terms of
the language that I use and under plotting. I would
plot more deeply before starting to tried if I were
able to, But I find that for me, creativity is
a dynamic process. We're going back to bicycles again, in
like a dynamo on of bicycle and you turn the
pedals and the lights go on. I'm like that when
I'm working. When I'm actually writing, I can see what

(45:04):
I need to do next. I can see where the
plot needs to go. When I'm not writing and just
thinking about it, I kind of have a destination in mind.
But the getting there, the step by step bit, is
done at the typeface. I said, well, you know, I
work out the details as I go along.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
For many people, Gary Oldman's portrayal is going to be
the is synonymous with Jackson Lamb. Do you watch the
series and then find that his performance is Jackson Lamb?
His voice the influences your writing of the character. Are
you able to distinguish between those things or is it helpful.

Speaker 15 (45:39):
It's a bit of all of those things. Really, I
don't have Gary in my mind when I'm writing. I
was very lucky in that the success came at quite
a late stage. When I first saw Gary with that
coat on, with that hair, doing his thing, which was
on set rather than on screen. I was writing the
eighth book in the series, so I was well established

(46:00):
in how I approached writing the character. I don't feel
that I've changed my approach in the book, since Clowmtown
is the only book since then. If I have done that,
I think readers will notice it before I do, I expect.
But I think Gary's doing a fantastic job. He's got
the he's got the character really nailed down. And I

(46:22):
mean it's a bit different than the Jackson that you
see on screen is not exactly the same as the
Jackson on the page, which can never be, which is
always going to be the case in any adaptation. But
I couldn't hope for a more for a better performance,
and one that is more loyal to the character as
I created him. The thing is that Gary, because of
the actor he is, needs to put in bits of

(46:43):
history that I haven't. I can just write the character.
I never tell you we know where Jackson came from,
or haven't you know, done very much of that so far.
Whereas Gary, when he started, he wanted to know all
these sorts of details that aren't in the books. You know,
where did he go to school and all that sort
of thuff. So we chatted about that quite a lot,
and he absorbs that and puts that into his performance,

(47:04):
which that's what he needs to do, that's how he operates.
I don't need any of that, so I don't touch it.
So it means that you know, his character is coming
in some ways from a slightly different direction. But I
have absolutely no worries about that at all. You know,
he's for the show to be successful, and it's got
to have an independent life, and I think that's what
it has.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
So you wrote slow Horses in the aftermath, excuse me
the of the financial question in two thousand and eight.

Speaker 15 (47:30):
I was writing about the same time I started writing
two thousand and eight.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
And then the storyline kind of seen it on some
you know, a white nationalist cell, and I think a
lot of people felt like you were really prescient in
seeing in maybe linking that kind of environment or moment
with the rise in white nationalism. Did you see yourself
as being kind of prescient or as foreseeing something that

(47:56):
would maybe come to the four in the years that followed.

Speaker 15 (47:59):
I was clearly worried about it at the time, but
putting using that as the sort of element of a
villainy in the book was as much a kind of
pragmatic decision as anything else. I wasn't thinking, oh, this
is the direction we're going in. I was saying, these
people are out there and they are a problem. But

(48:19):
mostly it was you know, my book needs that element
of danger and you know, needs something to fight against.
And I just chose it, you know, chose ultra right
wing nationalism as being the force in the book that
I kind of have my characters reacting against. I could
easily chosen something else, and then I wouldn't have this
reputation for pressings, as you say, And it wasn't altogether

(48:42):
greeted that warmly at the time. I mean, my then
publisher complained that the book, the politics of the book
were thrown back to the nineteen seventies. Is it not
how we are anymore? You know, this is all this
is all wrong, This is all wrong, and I didn't
think it was wrong, and sadly it's turned out to
be right. I would much rather my publisher had been correct.

(49:02):
And I've been, you know, putting up this this sort
of straw man of a villain and it all came
to nothing, and I'd rather that, you know, we hadn't
undergone Brexit, which is something else that I threw into
the mix. Buck in two thousand and eight. So I
take no great joy in having accidentally foretold if you.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
Book no, I suppose from a reader's perspective, we're just
fortunate that you know that that we have this kind
of art to help us, you know, interpret, interpret the world,
and under and understand it as it is. So Clowntown
opens with a missing book from rivers grandfather's library, donated
to what you called the Spooks College that's right at Oxford. So,
without giving too much away, what made the Troubles the

(49:45):
right kind of setting for Clowntown?

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Even?

Speaker 15 (49:49):
It came about because I think it was the first
time ever I actually went actively looking for something to
hang the book on. When you're writing a series, I
find that, you know. So this was nine books in.
I know quite a lot of what is going to
happen long before I've got a plot, because I have
these characters and I know where I want them to
I know where they are, I know what's happened to them,
I know roughly where they want to be at the end.

(50:13):
There is that, Yeah, I know where I want them
to be, not necessarily where they want to be, And
what I need is something that will trigger all those
you know, the necessary events to make what I want
to happen happen. And I had a conversation with somebody
whom I met quite by chance through mutual friends, who
had had a very senior position in the civil service
in the UK, and he had worked with the heads

(50:34):
of both m I five and m I six and
as a liaison with Number ten Downing Street. And I
simply asked him what's the worst thing the Intelligence services
had ever been involved in? And without missing a beat,
he said State Life, which was the code name for
an operation that's carried out in Northern Ireland during the troubles.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
There's a whole lot more information just coming out at
the moment.

Speaker 15 (50:57):
There is there is at the time the guy who
has been identified as being staked, and I was still alive.
He died a few months later when I was actually
writing the book Jure Kevinson, and I took that as
the starter for the book larger because I was interested
in the notion. I'mren't going to do any details about
Steateknife because I didn't research it what I really wanted.

(51:18):
I don't sort of do recreations of tradecraft operations. I'm
not terribly interested in writing that kind of material. What
I was interested in was what it must have been
like to have been involved in an operation like Steake Knife,
where people who worked in intelligence services were protecting somebody
who was a monster. I mean, he was a torturer, murderer, rapist, terror,

(51:38):
terrible man. But he was informing for the Intelligence services,
so therefore he was under the protection of the intelligence services.
What I was interested in was what must it have
been like to sign up to a certain way of life,
you know, working for the service, you're there to protect
the community, and you end up protecting someone like this instead,
and to feel that it must have tainted their career.

(52:00):
So I have a group of people who were involved
in that operation. It's set in the hearing now, So
these are people later on in life essentially suffering post
traumatic stress from what their job led them to do,
and leads to them seeking reparation for that. Really, and
of course, as always in my Big Orders, terribly wrong.

(52:22):
That's a very good way putting it. Yes, the beehig
gets kicked over quite early on, and they spend the
rest of the time trying to put the bees bank
in the box.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
Clowntown is your latest book. How far do you think
this can go make How power are you interested in
taking it?

Speaker 15 (52:39):
I never look forward further than the next book. Really,
I'm writing a non series novel at the moment, and
the next book that I write, which will be starting
sometime next year, will be a slow House novel, and
I do have a title for it, but I have
nothing else.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
I want to give it to us. It is such
a joy to have you in New Zealand, and thank
you so much for giving us your time. You've given
just delight to so many millions of readers around the world,
So thank you very much.

Speaker 15 (53:07):
Ready, Conry Jack, thank you so much. Enjoyed us.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
That is Mick Heern here is the author of Slow
Horses and the entire slough House series. It is brilliant.
Let me say this, if you have only watched the
Apple TV series, you are missing out. You have to
go and read the books as well. Mick is of
course in New Zealand for the Auckland Writers Festival. It's
on now this weekend. Writers Festival dot co dot enz

(53:32):
has more information and tickets. That have been a whole
series of amazing events this week. There are still some
incredible events to go, so if you haven't heard it
along and you're keen to do so. Writers Festival dot
co dot enzed is the place to go. Before eleven o'clock,
we're going to catch up with our personal finance expert
who has come across a very interesting advertisement on Facebook,

(53:53):
an investment opportunity promising returns of fifteen percent. Surely too
good to be true? Yes, surely too good to be true. Anyway,
he's gonna tell us why. He's going to break it down.
He's gone through the fine printer. He's going to explain
that to us very shortly. Next up, we've got your
screen time picks for this weekend. Right now, it's twenty
one past ten.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
The best way to start your weekend Saturday morning with
Jack Team on newsborg Zedby.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Twenty four minutes past ten on Newstalk's EDB Carl Pushman
is our screen time experty there with us this morning,
did I, Carl jack Cloth? You must be a Slow
Horses fan, aren't you?

Speaker 16 (54:30):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (54:30):
I love Slow Horses so good.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
It's such a good series. This Gary Oldman is just
the perfect character for it as well, and funny because
he's played George Smiley in the modern adaptation of tinker tailor,
soldier spy. I'm really showing my colors here. I'm a
big geek for the British spy drummers. But yeah, he's
Oh my gosh, he's just so amazing as Jackson Man,

(54:52):
but a real privilege.

Speaker 17 (54:54):
His transformation in that is unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Isn't it. He's just he's such an odious kind No
odious isn't right, because there is there are probably Yeah, yes, Slobbily,
he reminds me, do you remember this is really turning
back the hands of time? I remember keeping up appearances.

Speaker 17 (55:10):
Oh my gosh, yes, you remember that you're.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
Going away back? Do you remember? Was it Onslow? Oslow?
He was the son in law of Hyacinth's bouquet, and
he was this kind of grotesque, farting, beer drinking blob
who sat on the couch watching horse racing all day.
And to a certain extent, there are some qualities that
I think Jackson Lamb and he share. Anyway, you got

(55:37):
two more cracking shows for us this weekend, so let's
begin with the return of The Broken Wood Mysteries on
TVNZ one.

Speaker 17 (55:43):
Yes, back to the most deadly town in art. The
show's now in its twelfth season, which, you know, that's remarkable,
not just for the longevity the show started way back
in twenty fourteen, but also for the fact that the
small town still has anyone living there after constant grizzly
murders year after year, full on crazy investigations going on,

(56:04):
but five thousand people still choose to make that their home.
You know, the show focuses on investigating those grizzly murders,
but the tone is light and cozy, and you know,
after all this time, the formulas is calculated as a
murderer's scheme, but unlike the baddies, the writers do get
away with it. It's just such an enjoyable watch. The
episodes are ninety minutes long, so they're you know, episode

(56:27):
or is that a film? Sort of find the balance there,
But the show doesn't drag or lull. It just gently
sucks you into its cozy little mystery that's going on,
almost in complete opposite to the grizzly murder that's being investigated.
It's quite funny, but you know, it would appeal to
those mystery fans who've done it, Fans that like Agatha

(56:48):
Christie style mysteries or the knives out movies. It's it's
an obvious recommendation for those people. First episode of season
twelve kicks off with an absolute doozy. A man is
murdered on the Broken Wood golf course and all signs
point to it being aliens. So they're starting to get
out there, and they make this sort of wacky premise

(57:08):
believable because obviously the two long standing, grossly overworked detectives
seeing Sergeant Mike Shipid played by Neil Rear and Detective
Christen Sims played by Fern Sutherland. They're on the case
and they have their cynicism, but there's an alien convention
in town. There's a multitude of suspicious characters or with
their own little motives that they could have, and acting

(57:30):
very dodgy and suspicious. So you'll get no spoilers from
me whether the small town now has an alien invasion
going on. But it's a very cozy watch, like sort
of wrapping up in your dressing gown and having a
nice hot cup of tea. It's cozy and comfortable, and
i'd consider those two items mandatory if you're going to
sit down and watch the show.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Yeah, Yeah, it's so much fun. I mean that The
Broken Wood Mysteries is a bit of a key We classic,
and like you say, it is kind of a good
one for curling off on a couch and suspending your
disbelief just for a few minutes.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Belief.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah No, it's a lot of fun. Okay.
So that's on tvnz'd one and TVNZ plus your neque show.
For us this morning is The Punisher One Last Kill,
which is on Disney Plus.

Speaker 17 (58:14):
A handbreak from the extremely cozy Murders into extremely gory, graphic,
ultra violent action packed murders. This is the latest from Marvel,
and they've hyped this as a Marvel Television special presentation,
and I was quite curious to see what that meant.
After watching it, I've sort of discovered that a special
presentation means cramming a full season or a full movie

(58:37):
into a lean forty five minutes, which is quite an
enjoyable way to do things. You don't have to tune
in week after week after week, and Marvel sort of
let their movies drag over the two and a half
hour mark, which is too long for what they're doing.
So this forty five minute compacting of both of those
things that worked for me. Now, the Punisher, if you're

(59:01):
not aware of him, he's Marvel's most controversial hero. He's
a former marine who saw his family gunned down by
the mid during a family picnic, and he vows vengeance
on all criminals from that moment. Unlike Batman, he does
not follow a code. Instead, he is just a brutal
vigilante with lethal force, torture, murder, extreme violence. That's all
on the table for him to clean up the city.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
Yea.

Speaker 17 (59:24):
Furthermore, his characters sort of got co opted a little
bit in the real world. Military units, police officers, political
extremists started putting his logo onto their uniforms and things,
which sparked quite intense debate over the character's real world symbolism.
But we'll leave that side of the character alone, because

(59:44):
the character is a very good anti hero if you
like that kind of action stuff. Now. I enjoyed the
Punish comics back in the day, but I haven't been
keeping up with Marvel's interconnected world because there's so much
going on there. So I went to this very much
just as a standalone special presentation. Lets see what it's
all about, and it was quite good. It was quite
a strange watch because the first half is Frank Castle,

(01:00:07):
the Punisher, dealing with his suffering extreme PTSD. He's from
one Marine, so he's haunted by all that and he's
in a very very dark place. It's sort of like
those trauma aspects from Rambo one, if you will. Then
he gets drawn back into the world his life as

(01:00:29):
the Vigilante, and the special presentation then launches into the
insane action of Rambo five. You get this kind of
jarring like, yeah, this is very traumatic and here's a
guy suffering very deep dark trauma and now we're in
full action, over the top schlock like this is this

(01:00:51):
is a hard M show, so it's not a kid's
at all, which is quite it's quite weird seeing it,
you know, the Disney logo and then hard M. But
for a full action shlock, it's a good watch.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
Yeah, it sounds a lot of fun. Okay, So The
Punisher One Last Kill is on Disney Plus. Carl's first
pick for us, The Broken Wood Mysteries is on TV
and Dead one and TV and Dead Plus, and of
course you can hear more from Carl on his sub
stack scream Crack.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Getting your weekends started It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team
on News TALKSB.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
I just think this might be the favorite start to
an album of all time for me. Dun dun dun

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dun dun.

Speaker 8 (01:02:09):
Dun dum dunn dan du dun damn BA.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
Honestly injected in my veins. Hook me Up, Hook me Up.
That is, of course, the distinct opening of Based on
a True Story. That's Ernie by Fat Freddy's dropped, the
debut album that band is celebrating. Prepare yourself for it.
The twenty first anniversary of Based on a True Story.
Oh my god, this just makes me feel sick. The

(01:02:40):
twenty first anniversary. Anyway, They're going on a major tour
at the moment across altied Or Australia, Europe, the UK,
and of course honoring the legacy of founding member DJ
MoU Chris Foemu, who passed away suddenly last year. Sold
out shows all over New Zealand, the last of which
finished up this weekend in Tarmaky And featuring classic tracks

(01:03:02):
from the two thousand and five chart topping album. Our
music reviewer and five gig junkie Chris Schultz went last
night to Fat Freddy's at the Auckland Town Hall. He's
going to be in here before midday to brag, to
give us the lowdown on the swagging beats of Fat
Freddy's drop and based on a true story. Man, I

(01:03:23):
am so envious our texpert is here in a few
minutes twenty four to ten to eleven on newstalks. He'd
be bam bam, bam, bam bam.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Here yourself. Think it's the mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 6 (01:03:46):
Not getting any easy for a New Zealand.

Speaker 13 (01:03:47):
Fuel bills up two hundred and forty million, capacities cut
three to five percent.

Speaker 6 (01:03:51):
Now they're looking at cost cutting programs and jobs. Nicol
Rebbie shankers with us, is this it or is there
more to come?

Speaker 11 (01:03:56):
If you're referring to the financial outcome for the airline,
it's tied into how long the conflict's going to last.

Speaker 6 (01:04:02):
So the longer it lasts, the worse it could get
for you.

Speaker 11 (01:04:04):
Will necessarily get worse from a red perspective, but it
will mean that it weighs us down as far as
our financial.

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
Results fuels down. So is that not getting better for you?

Speaker 11 (01:04:12):
Fuel being done is helpful, But it's all context isn't
it normal for US as eighty five dollars a barrel.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
It's gone down from the heady heights of two hundred
to about one fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
So it's down but not done enough.

Speaker 16 (01:04:23):
Back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Defender Newstalk ZEDBAT.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
Twenty one to eleven on News talks 'BAT. The US
delegation to China has just wrapped up. But everyone who
went for the Big Journey had to leave everything they
were gifted in China in China, and there was a
whole lot of stuff they were gifted, not necessarily big stuff,
but you know, like everything from little badgers and lapel
pins to the gifts they received had to be chucked

(01:04:53):
in a bin before they got on air Force one.
Our textb at Porlsteinhouses here to explain why. Good morning Paul.

Speaker 9 (01:05:00):
Yeah, there's not a lot of trust between these two. No, no,
And do you know what I find fast about this?
That so in America, if you're usually if you work
for a large corporation and your job requires you to
go to China for a trip, you will be given
a burner device, burner, laptop, burn a phone. Right, Yeah,

(01:05:21):
they don't want anything basically coming back from China. So
this is in like, you know, the corporate setting, because
they're worried about what could have been done to it.
But what really struck me about this was that you
would have to have assumed that the US delegation was
in a pretty secure kind of vacuum, you think so
when they were there, you would think so. So Yeah,

(01:05:42):
I was surprised when I saw this that everything had
to go so all of the burner devices in the
bin before you get on air Force one. And I
guess it probably makes sense too because it is air
Force one. Yeah, yeah, it is only like the it
is the plane of planes, you know, but everything lapalpins,
as you said, the credentials to show who you were

(01:06:05):
that were issued by the Chinese government, that all had
to go to. I assume they were worried that there
could be just something in these.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
Yeah, I'm very small. I just think it was I mean,
I suppose. I just think they were kind of listening
devices or tracking devices or the potential any kind of
you know, devices that might be following them, right, and
they're just taking no. It's much easier just to no chances. Yeah,
that's it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
Yeah, anyway, I.

Speaker 9 (01:06:33):
Think it probably goes to show where things are politically.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
Yeah, I think it does too. Yeah, very interesting. Okay, Mythos,
which is your favorite? My favorite of the of the
big AI models. This is the one from Anthropic that
hasn't been released to you and I yet, but has
been given to lots of the big tech companies because
it's so good at finding security deficiencies. Has found security
holes in Apple's MacBooks, and that is a concern because

(01:06:59):
I thought Apple's whole thing was that they're really good
when it comes to security.

Speaker 9 (01:07:03):
Yeah, I mean, if not safe as anyone safe, I
think that's probably We're starting to see a lot more
vindication of why this was held back from the public
and given to trusted organizations, some of the biggest infrastructure
and software kind of providers around, so they can test there,

(01:07:24):
they can test their stuff against this thing.

Speaker 17 (01:07:26):
Look, I will say this.

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
What we don't know is.

Speaker 9 (01:07:29):
Whether or not you can just go hello, you know
Claude with your special model, Please find a bug for me?
Or how can I get into the MacBook without a
log in credential and it goes away and does it?
I don't know that it's doing that. No, but it
certainly suggests that if you know what you're doing, because
the people who found these were security researchers, so you
think that if they can give it a really good prompt,

(01:07:51):
it can go away and find that now. I think
the other thing that I guess was a little bit
of peace of mind with this is that if you
read the kind of if you read what they found
quite closely, it mentioned that they found a vulnerability for
a local user to get complete access to one of
the brand new M five MacBooks.

Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:08:09):
Right, so I guess local user means you probably already
have to have got access to your computer, which means
hopefully that there didn't mean that a remote user would
have been able to get into your device. Yeah, but
we haven't seen that. We haven't seen the detail. Apple
hasn't commented. I imagine they are fixing it, and I
imagine you'll probably see a patch come through.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
It's honestly been amazing over the last couple of weeks
just the number of apps and things that I've had
that have comely said, oh, we've just got a quick
new patch to improve it a little bit. Just totally
unrelated to this, totally unrelated. Yeah, it is. It is
really curious. And obviously you know open Ai, the company
that makes Chat gpt now has a model that apparently
does something very similar. So yes, interesting times. Thanks Paul,

(01:08:50):
appreciate your time. That is our texpert, Paul Stenhouse. Before
eleven o'clock, our man in the garden route climb past
is looking at the beautiful autumn leaves and has some
tips on how to put them to good use at
your place and in your garden. And next up, our
personal finance its expert is in debunking something he's just
seen on Facebook.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Well, you're heading out to start your Saturday turn off
Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Dab on News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
Fourteen to eleven on News Talk zed B. Ed McKnight
is our personal finance expert. He's with Opie's partners and
he's with us this morning. Kilder, great to be here, Jack.
You know, I have this kind of theory of life
that says you should never believe anything on Facebook. If
it's a photo of your mum, you can't believe it.
You know, it's either your friends and family who are
trying to make their lives look way better than they

(01:09:39):
actually are or it's a scam these days? Am I wrong?

Speaker 7 (01:09:44):
Well, I think you're probably right. Maybe I'll have to
be careful about my own mother. But what I wanted
to talk about today was I've seen some really interesting
ads on Facebook promising or promoting specific investment returns, especially
around property investment, and one caught my eye recently claiming
that this developer had a property that you could buy

(01:10:05):
that would deliver a fifth steen point four percent annual
rental return. And the reason that caught my eye is
that most properties deliver a rental return around four to
seven percent, so claiming that this property would be over
fifteen percent would be like double them what's normal? Now,
it can take a lot of time to dig into

(01:10:25):
the detail and look at the numbers and decipher that claim.
So I've gone ahead and done it for everybody today,
and what I've found is a couple of things that
are pretty concerning.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
Jack, Okay, so run us through it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
Well.

Speaker 7 (01:10:38):
The first thing is when we calculate a rental return,
typically you'd say how much is it going to rent
for per week?

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
What's it?

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
What's it worth?

Speaker 7 (01:10:45):
Here they were using it as an airbnb, and when
properties are Airbnb's they tend to get a lot more
money in, but they have a lot more costs. Now
that on its own would not be what I'd considered dodgy.
But here's what our side found when they were running
the numbers. We all know that an Airbnb is not
going to have a guest in their one hundred percent

(01:11:07):
of the time, but that's how they round then ran
the numbers. You're going to have a guess one hundred
percent of the time when around seventy percent is normal.
And in fact I called up a local Airbnb property manager.
They reckon, at best it could ramp up to eighty
five percent, so you're probably not going to be able
to get that exact return.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
But that's not all. They then ignored all of the costs.

Speaker 7 (01:11:31):
So when you go ahead and run the numbers on
an Airbnb, you're going to have way high cost because
you've got to have linen in there. We've got set
up costs. We're going to pay fifteen percent of our
revenue in some cases to Airbnb. Then you might have
another fifteen percent for a property manager, and there are
so many more costs, and once you factor all of

(01:11:52):
those in, I reckon this property is more around about
a six percent net yield than the fifteen percent grossield
they were claiming.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
Yeah, and that's if everything goes well, right, Like, there
are all manner of risks when you're, you know, looking
at property investments, and certainly when you're looking at short
term rental investments like airbnb.

Speaker 7 (01:12:13):
But here's the worst thing, Jack, I could probably I
could probably overlook some of these things. As you know,
developers aren't financial experts, so I don't really like it
when they are promoting specific returns because the truth of
the matter is they often get their number crunching wrong
because they're good at building houses rather than running property math.
But the worst thing that I can't get over is

(01:12:35):
that they were promoting these properties as an airbnb in Queenstown,
and deep down in the itty bitty fine print, it
said that these properties had a consent application for them
to be an airbnb three hundred and sixty five days
of the year, but the consent hadn't been granted and
this specific developer would give no warranty that it actually

(01:12:59):
would get the consent, so there was no guarantee you
could actually run it as an airbnb. But that's what
they were promoting, and if that consent doesn't go through,
well that's tough luck. Doesn't matter that you saw that
type of rental return promoted on a Facebook ad. You
didn't get consent, So tough luck there. And I just
think that leaft a really bad taste in my mouth, right,

(01:13:21):
I mean, what are you view of that?

Speaker 5 (01:13:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
I mean, of course, but I mean again, I'm extremely
skeptical of anything like this, anything that's promising what to
me sounds like an unrealistic return. I'm automatically skeptical of
when it's something promoting an unrealistic return on Facebook, I'm
triply skeptical of it. But I mean, that is just
so cheeky, isn't it to have applied for consent but

(01:13:43):
not actually you know, not having been granted consent means that,
you know, potentially there are people who are going to
sign up to this thinking they could have an airbnb
that's available all year round, and they might not.

Speaker 7 (01:13:55):
And look, ultimately, this isn't about airbnb.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Is it good?

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
Or is it not?

Speaker 13 (01:14:00):
Right?

Speaker 9 (01:14:00):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:14:00):
No, No, I think what I wanted to get across
today is, well, how do you decode the spin in
Facebook ad and whether it's for a developer promoting an
Airbnb or any other sort of investment, and just be
a bit careful about specific returns that are claimed from
anyone on Facebook.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
Yeah, very prudent advice. Thank you so much. Appreciate your time.
Ed McKnight from his partners with us this morning. Right now,
it is nine to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Gardening with Steel Shop autumn deals on tools built right Rude.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
Time passes in the garden as autumn leaves continue to fall.
Good sir, Yes they do.

Speaker 6 (01:14:37):
I am sure they do the same thing at your place.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
We've got a plane tree. Yeah, we've got a plane
tree in the backyard and it's just it's just a
symphony of color. It's so beautiful. And actually our neighbors
have planted in their berm like a little Japanese maple,
and so it's still kind of fledgling. It's probably two
meters or three meters high, so it's still quite small.
But my gosh, those leaves are astonishing.

Speaker 6 (01:15:01):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 16 (01:15:02):
Now, Well, you know what you do with those leaves,
You recycle them and make the plat that plant. That
plant go up and up and up with its colors, exactly,
isn't it so that's really what I know. I've got
a couple of minutes, but that's basically what this is about.
The weekly recycled bin. I always say, really, do you
use that or do you use your own stuff? Why

(01:15:23):
don't you put it yourself.

Speaker 6 (01:15:24):
In the garden. You know, that's the stuff that I'm
talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
Okay, so how do we do so?

Speaker 6 (01:15:31):
Well?

Speaker 16 (01:15:31):
A couple of ways. Collect a huge heap of leaves
if you like, and chuck them in the compost bin.

Speaker 6 (01:15:36):
That is simple.

Speaker 16 (01:15:37):
People that don't have a lot of garden can do that,
and it's wonderful and it's absolutely brilliant.

Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
You have to remember that anything that once lived can
be composted.

Speaker 16 (01:15:47):
And I leave it at that, okay, number that number
two is what you do is you can chuck it
as a material over as a mulch over your garden
at the moment, so it's say four inches or so,
and that will keep your plants really happy, especially in
the cold places.

Speaker 6 (01:16:04):
Where I am here.

Speaker 16 (01:16:05):
Of course you keep them gond and frost free and
all that nonsense, but it also will give you then
the stuff for next year. That's the number. That's a
really important thing you can do too. Number three though,
is my favorite. And imagine you go to you get
yourself a nice compost type thing or a plastic container,
and you chuck all these specimens, all that leaves in there,

(01:16:27):
and you stand on them you literally keep going got
and then you turn them upside down and you have
literally a drying bin that is completely empty of anything
else but the drying bin that will be completely good
for a six months away or twelve months away and

(01:16:47):
you can use it to Oh that's great, But the
best thing is basically what you can do upside down
with a huge if you're like a bin that you get,
you know for the rubbish bins, a real big one.
You've got to be careful and you stand on that
literally very high. Yeah, and you've got something that is
a meat and a half high, and that is the

(01:17:08):
best place for next year, honestly.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
Oh yeah, I mean that's the that's the key, right,
Like you have to first of all, can we just
say you've got to be super careful. And my old
friend Jason Gunn, of course then remember he fell over
in his bin and broke his back like he was
standing in the bin and then fell out. Yes, so
very important. You have to be super safe and don't

(01:17:33):
don't do what Jason did. Fortunately, of course, yeah, yes,
A lucky thing was I never told him that. Oh god, yes,
so you can be blamed. I was lucky you were
very clear of any liability. Well, I see, I'm obviously
a little bit nervous about that. But you reckon at
least a meter high eight it's got to be yeah, okay,
and then it.

Speaker 16 (01:17:51):
Keeps trying, and then you can spread it out as
a soft, wonderful material, absolutely brilliant.

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
And in spring, like we're leaving it for the time being, right,
you've really got to let it dry out for a
good Yeah, probably five.

Speaker 6 (01:18:04):
You can do it. You can do it in spring,
which you can not, should do it again in the
next autumn.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
Yeah, true. Okay, Hey, thank you sir. Have a great weekend.
We'll climb pass in the garden for us after eleven o'clock.
We're enjoying some indulgences in Queenstown and our travel segment
and the reason that hairdresses can improve your mental health
news us next. Though it's almost eleven, it's Saturday morning.
I'm Jack Tame. This is Newstalk's EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Where the weekend finds its rhythm Saturday Morning with Jack
tame on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
Yod You're with Jack tame on newstorgs EDB through the
midday today. Is so good to have you with us
this Saturday morning. So you know, of the two New
Zealand passengers from that Hunt of IRUs stricken chip, they've
been split up for their quarantine. So one of them
is in Perth doing a three week quarantine and the

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other one, it's been it appears from reporting in Taiwan,
is doing their quarantine in Taiwan in a hospital quarantine there.
I don't have any indication as to the standards of
the quarantine facilities. I know the one in Perth was
a purpose built facility they Australian set up during COVID.
Don't know what the one in Taiwan is like. Don't

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know what the food is like. Can't imagine there's a
whole heap of socializing for either of those passengers. Unfortunately,
hopefully I think both of them won't be contracting hunt
of IRUs, but of course it's got this really long
incubation period compared to COVID, which is what has the
authorities keeping a very close eye on them. Indeed massive weekend,

(01:19:59):
Massive weekend for New Zealand football, Massive week for New
Zealand football, actually massive Fortnite for New Zealand football. So
as well as the All Whites team being named or
the being named for next month's Football Men's Football World Cup,
you had Auckland FC with an incredible performance in their
second League semi final against Adelaide last night, three nil

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up against Adelaide, keeping in mind that Adelaide finished second
in the regular A League season, Auckland FC going to
what is widely considered I think to be the toughest
venue in the A League, beating Adelaide at home to
secure a spot in next week's A Men's A League
Grand Final. And of course tonight even more exciting perhaps

(01:20:40):
the women's Phoenix are up against Melbourne. Melbourne City in
the Women's A League Finals. Six fifteen is kick off
that's been played in Melbourne, so a tough ask for
the Phoenix to go over there and play, but they've
had an amazing season so really hoping they can get up.
We're going to catch up with Jason Pine before midday.
He is in Australia for a weekend sport this weekend

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a no doubt very excited about the women's Phoenix as
well as Auckland FC, and ask him about that New
Zealand or White squad headed to the World Cup as well.
Right now, it's nine minutes past eleven, Jack, Team Google.
Southerland is our clinical psychologist. He's with Umbrella Well Being
and he's with us this morning. A Google cur a.

Speaker 11 (01:21:22):
Jack, Yes, looking forward to the Phoenix woman tonight at
six fifteen for hopefully a big win.

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
Yeah, yeah, hopefully.

Speaker 17 (01:21:29):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
It's I mean, that would be amazing. It's I mean
the first Grand Final but she would just be would
be an extraordinary you know. I mean Melbourne Cities, you
know they have what won three seasons straight. I think
the one the premiership and not the championship?

Speaker 12 (01:21:45):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
So something?

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
Yeah, yeah, the regular season but not the final. So yeah,
lots on the line this evening. Anyway, you have this
incredible knack I don't know how you do it of
bringing us the most fascinating studies, the most fascinating little
academic studies that might not have come across our desks otherwise.
And this morning you have some really interesting research that
suggest hairdresses and barbers can influence people's thoughts on climate

(01:22:09):
change and more broadly, can help to improve their clients'
mental health.

Speaker 13 (01:22:15):
Yeah, it's it's fascinating, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:22:17):
It's you know, if you if you think about when
you go and get your haircut, you know, it usually
starts with how's your davy or how's your week been?

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Or how have you been since?

Speaker 11 (01:22:25):
So there's there's that, there's that process of often people
have a regular, ongoing relationship with their hair dress or
the barber. And and look, the stuff around mental health
really came out of this searching round for trying to
see how can we make positive influence on people's mental
health without everybody having to go and see a psychologist

(01:22:46):
or a counselor because simply there aren't enough psychologists or
counselors and you don't know, not everybody needs to see
one either. But so they kind of started looking at, well,
who are influential people in our lives and and you know, came.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
Up with the idea of what about barbers, what about
hair dresses?

Speaker 11 (01:23:03):
These are people who have this ongoing relationship and so yeah,
they looked at there's been a series of studies now
looking at how barbers, particularly in hairdresses, can potentially influence
people's mental health. Not you know, we're not trying to
train them to be psychologists or anything like that, but
just being able to it's regularly checking in with somebody,

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giving them some emotional support and with just a little
bit of training, potentially equipping them to help people figure out,
you know, where it might be a good place to
go if they need further help, or just you know,
just being able to chat and unload about there about
how they're going.

Speaker 13 (01:23:41):
And it seems to be quite effective.

Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
So they've looked at the areas where there are kind
of some key things that can can help at least
you know, can help to foster a stronger relationship and
can assist both clients and here dresses or barbers. So
how does it work? What are those areas?

Speaker 11 (01:23:56):
Yeah, look, the probably the core, well two cores. Perhaps
one is the regular the fact that you see somebody
regularly so you can check in with them, you know,
every six weeks or so, how you're going since I
last saw you, which is you know a thing that
counselors and psychologists all the time. You know, Good to
see you again. Been a couple of weeks, how has
it been. So there's firstly, there's that regular relationship, so

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you build up some trust.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
And the other key part really is that that you know, it's.

Speaker 11 (01:24:23):
A warm, trusting relationship, and that's at the heart of
any therapeutic, you know, counseling or psychology session. You've got
to get on with the person. If you don't really
like them, If you don't get on with them, you
probably won't go back. And people will have had that
with their barber. Oh, he was a bit of a dick,
but I'm not going to go back there. But no,

(01:24:44):
I really liked him, so I'm going to go back
and see him. So it's that it's and I think
I think too, there's something extra there about when you're
getting your haircut. It's kind of you know, it's it's
it's intimate. And I don't mean that in a you know,
a a in a romantic way. It's just an intimate relationship.
People are touching you. Somebody else is touching you, and

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we don't have a lot of that in our day
to day lives, and they're touching you for quite a while,
and so it's quite a personal, tight intimate relationship. Yeah,
And I think that probably adds to it as well,
that that you can build up that sense of, hey,
I can just talk to this guy about what's going
on in my life. And how many of us have
got good advice from our barbers or head dresses about something.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
You know, Yeah, that'sda go and do that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
Yeah, it's interesting to you sort of force to you're
forced to stop, which I think might be part of it.
You know, like as someone who's having the haircut, there's
not a lot else you can do while having a haircut,
and I reckon for some people that wouldn't necessarily happen
all together often, but also the kind of convention is
that you at least have some conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
I know there'll be some people who go to the
head dresser and just say, hey, sorry, I just don't
want to talk today, and that's fine, do you, But
I reckon for most people, the kind of social convention
is that you talk, and because you're talking, you kind
of you know, you are subconsciously building trust and building
rapport and building relationship. And if it is someone you
get along with, then it's little wonder that actually you
start to I mean, there's probably a reason that you know,

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the kind of cliche is that hair dresses always have
the best gossip, right, Yeah, that that's that's totally warrant
to cliche.

Speaker 11 (01:26:21):
Yeah, absolutely, you have people texting in and them. I
think also there's something about it. It's it's time just
for you. So I you know, when I when I'm
getting a haircut, it's almost I don't feel a huge
compulsion to be asking that my barber about himself. It's
it's kind of like, this is time about me, and
so that the conversation gets directed towards you as an

(01:26:45):
individual rather than you know, most social relationships, that's sort
of a bit of balance. You're asking about them and
they ask about you, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
But this is a bit more.

Speaker 11 (01:26:53):
No, it's focused on you, and I think it's it's
you know, it's it's great opportunity to try and find
people in our just in our everyday lives that can
be an influence. You know, you mentioned at the top
around influencing around recycling and climate change, and they did
a study where they looked at giving hairdresses a little

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bit of training around climate change and what could be done,
and then having some you know, just some little stickers
on the mirror that prompted people to ask about them,
and then the hair dress and say, oh, yeah, look
this is what we are doing for our climate. You know,
we're doing for recycling and and and their clients reported
that they were much more likely to go away and
do that themselves and even extend it. So it's that

(01:27:36):
role of Yeah, it's the role of people as an
everyday people as influencers rather than you know, a TikTok
star or a movie star being an influenced everyday people
being an influence on your life and behavior changes that
you that you make because somebody else who's who has
a role in your life has suggested it or said

(01:27:58):
that they are doing it as well.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
Yeah, that is so interesting. Thank you very much. Doogle
have a great weekend and yeah, yeah, I look forward
to how you can possibly top this one. I don't
know where are you getting these, what journals are you
subscribing to.

Speaker 11 (01:28:12):
There's a whole range yes them sometimes, but yeah, there's
a whole range of things that I have to look at.

Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
The very interesting Yeah, thank you, Google. Suddling from Umbrella
Well Being with us this morning up in a couple
of minutes. How Travel correspondent is here and he is
indulging in Queenstown for us this week. A tough gig. Indeed,
sixteen past eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Travel with Windy Woo Tours where the world is yours down.

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
Travel correspondent is mister Mike Yardley, the man with the
toughest gig, and the broadcasting bears.

Speaker 13 (01:28:41):
Good morning, it's a formidable job. Jet Good morning from
Hemma's Springs. I'm looking at Conical Hill rather frigid here.

Speaker 4 (01:28:50):
I have to say, yes, but I mean this is
actually the time of year. I reckon that hen is great,
especially if you can when it's real those really beautiful,
crisp cold mornings and you can duck into the hot
palls and kind of be delicious and warm and looking
at the beautiful surroundings.

Speaker 13 (01:29:03):
It's yeah, yplying, it's just buying a Yeah, it's amazing
how many locals are here as opposed to going to
six sixty tonight. But I yes, just got a coffee
from a local cafe and Ryan Crosty and his family
wandered out, So I think half of Christ is just
here for a hot dipod.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
I'm pleased to hear Ryan Crady, of course, the most
underrated man in New Zealand rugby for many years in
my view. Yes, indeed, anyway, we are focusing on things
a little further south this morning, probably equally cool and
crisp and indulgent. You're indulgent dips in Queenstown and starting
with dips of the watery kind. The wellness wave is
popping up all over Queenstown. So what is trending at

(01:29:44):
the moment.

Speaker 13 (01:29:46):
Yes, if you can see a fin like frolic on
lake waker Tipu Jack with contrast therapy, you are in luck.
I have recently taken the Plunge at Watershed, which opened
about six months ago, New Zealand's first floating sauna experience.
It's part owned by Dominic Bowder and it's beautifully designed,

(01:30:08):
dreamy views. The sauna sits on a pontoon by a
syntyma wharf and after feeling like a rather cooked chalk,
I then submitted to a seven degree fridgid lake water
plunge ah into Waka Tippoo and I've got like a
little punge pool next to the sauna, all sort of

(01:30:29):
screened off, but it's very much rinse and repeat. You know,
you just go in the sauna, bake yourself, then chill.
It is startling, it's shocking, it's stimulating. And I've got
a second floating sauna that will soon open on the
Fringdon arm by Queenstown Marina. But yeah, it's very scandy

(01:30:50):
feeling in Queenstown.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
So what else would you recommend?

Speaker 13 (01:30:54):
Then?

Speaker 12 (01:30:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:30:55):
I also went to bathe by a Loom, which is
another new opening on Brecon Street close to the Gondola.
And this is such a stunning little complex of private
outdoor hot pools and they come with a jet cold
monsoon rain shower, so you can do that whole contrast
therapy thing if you want. I went full fin Jack,

(01:31:18):
I went fully naked and I had a private outdoor pool,
but it was soundtracked two balls being hit at the
neighboring mini golf course. Thankfully, I was concealed by some
very well positioned pisosporum for my fully naked dip. But
what I love about a loom is you are bathing

(01:31:40):
in magnesium rich water. Yeah, and I have to say
I had the best sleep of my life after a
dip there.

Speaker 4 (01:31:47):
Really that's interesting. So a magnesium that you absorbed the magnesium,
which presumably helps us asleep right from baby Like that? Okay,
very good. So the Skyline gondola is undergoing a major
upgrade at the moment.

Speaker 13 (01:32:02):
Ay indeed, tens and tens of millions of dollar. So
if you haven't zipped up to the top of Bob's
Peak in a while, yeah, a major refresh is taking shape.
You may recall they launched the new ten seater gondolas,
so they are already installed, and the first half of
the new Peak building complex is now open, with a

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considerably larger viewing deck extending out beyond the main building
for extra thrills. But the thing when I was up there, Jack,
I was thinking, you know where, if you go in Queenstown,
you're always just swiveling your head at the epic scenery.
But the view of views from Bob's Peak really is inconquerable.

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So it's the place to go. Soak it all in.

Speaker 4 (01:32:46):
All right for sweet tooth indulgence. Just asking for a friend,
of course, what are the top wants?

Speaker 13 (01:32:52):
Yes, top of your list, Jack, will have to be
anita gelato. So this is a swanky new comer to Queenstown.
This place brims with one hundred and fifty flavors. Doesn't
that insane one.

Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
Hundred and fifty. Tell me you're not one of these
people who insists on having a little taste of everything
before they finally decided.

Speaker 13 (01:33:15):
Yeah, well I was. I was seduced by Pavlova and
mixed Berry's. I don't think I've ever had that as
a gelato flavor for and you get that really crispy
maringhi quite a complexion within the ice cream. It's just fantastic.
By the way, I should also mention on the sweet
Tooth front. Patagonia Chocolates an icon when it comes to

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eye candy in Queenstown. They've just celebrated twenty years in business.
They're such a local hero. And oh those glistening cabinets
always slay me. At Patagonia, Jack, I highly recommend the
mon Blong tarts and interestingly, given it still autumn, these
tarts had chestnuts in them along with vanilla and which

(01:34:00):
I thought was a really unusual mix. And if you
do want to build your own box of chocolate bars
at Patagonia, do not go past their dark chalk and maceademia.
It really is fabulous.

Speaker 4 (01:34:13):
Yeah, there are some new Hospo spots right at Steamer Wharf.
So what is good there?

Speaker 13 (01:34:17):
Yeah, yeah, Well if you want to do a bit
of a glorified Irish pub crawl, of course, pog Mahomes
is well known in Queenstown. But to add a bit
more crack to your Irish pub cal the Irishman Bar
has just opened at Steamer Wharf. Fantastic fit out. And
also the old sky City Wharf Casino has been replaced

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by the Queenstown Wharf Bar and it's upstairs and Steamer
Wharf with wrap around floor to ceiling windows, so you
have got the most incredible ringside seat to goggle at
the glory of that lake front setting. Really cool spot,
great food, highly recommended.

Speaker 4 (01:34:57):
Yeah nice, Okay. Across the road, why is the Terrace
Restaurant at Rorkey pulling the crowds?

Speaker 13 (01:35:04):
Yes, Rourkey translates as Tranquility and Maori and no expense
has been spared on this brand new boutique five star hotel.
The room rates at Rocky Collection are eye watering, but
I would suggest if you want to preserve your bank balance,
just go for dining. They've got the most incredible restaurant,

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the Terraces and it's under the helm of Paul Foggett,
who used to head up all things culinary at Hooker
Lodge and cold E Cliffs. He knows his food and
his crayfish roles are divine. At the terrace. Also, enjoy
a drink or two at the library bar at Rocky

(01:35:48):
at glimmers In a gold foil finished with deco chandeliers.
It is quite the glamor pad.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
Yeah, oh so good. Okay, So, if maybe staying at
Rockie is not going to be possible for most of us,
where would you suggest parking up?

Speaker 13 (01:36:04):
Yeah, well, for a really affordable lot lodge like experience,
I think one of the hidden gems, and Queenstown's the
Queenstown Park Boutique Hotel. The location is brilliant, just a
couple of minutes walk from the Gondola Bay Station, far
enough away from the overcrowded town center to be a
haven of carm but you're still close enough to be

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in the thick of the action on foot within minutes.
It's the best of both worlds. And it's got on
site parking, which is always a semity saver in Queenstown.

Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
Yeah very much so, all right, Hey, thank you that
sounds amazing. So for more of Mike's tips on wellness
and indulgence in Queenstown, you know a bit of yin
bit a Yang. His article is up at newstorksdb dot
co dot injed, along with everything from our show. So
if you're looking for our film recommendations, are that amazing
recipe that we shared before ten o'clock for roast cabbage
with Miso Buttera. That's up on the website now our

(01:36:58):
screen time picks everything Newstorks hedb dot co dot nzed.
In a couple of minutes, we are going to take
you to Brisbane, Queensland with Jason Pine is counting down
the minutes to weekend sport.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
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Jason Pine is with us from Brisbane, Queensland for the

(01:38:04):
NRL Magic Round this week, and how good? How good?

Speaker 5 (01:38:08):
Jack?

Speaker 19 (01:38:08):
Honestly, you cannot walk five meters in this town without
seeing a Warrior's shirt. The place has been infiltrated and undated,
completely swamped by Warriors fans. Magic Round is amazing and
the Warriors are a huge part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
I was gonna say, I mean, these days, like half
the population of Queensland and New Zealand is an't there.
So I think it's like part of is no great surprise,
And it might be that we've had lots of Warriors
fans come over for the weekend. It could also just
be that live upsticks over the last few years, and
it may Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna ask more about Magic
Round in a second, but I think we need to
begin with the Big three to zero. My goodness. Auckland

(01:38:45):
FC last night unbelievable. I think, like among the very
best performances, if not the single best performance of their
fledgling A league history. Wouldn't you agree the best?

Speaker 19 (01:38:58):
The best?

Speaker 13 (01:38:58):
For me?

Speaker 19 (01:38:58):
Jack, I thought about this after the game last night
and I was like, you one of the best, you know,
given the circumstances, given the backdrop, given where they were,
given what was on the line, all of those things.
But then having watched it back a little bit this
morning in preparation for the show, the best performance that
team has ever put on and in there, as you say,
their young life, but still a hugely successful life. Here

(01:39:19):
they are premiers last year, couldn't make the Grand Final.
They've taken that step this year. They wait now for
their opposition. I think everybody in Auckland is cheering for
Sydney tonight because of course, if Sydney FC beat Newcastle,
then the Grand Finals at go media next media.

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
See you say that, I wonder if the A League
would would stick their finger in and say, hang on,
can we do it at Eden Park?

Speaker 19 (01:39:39):
A good point.

Speaker 6 (01:39:40):
I hadn't even know.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
And the Blues have it. The Blues have a buy
next weekend, so Eden Park would mean I'm sittling this
live on air. Well, yeah, I mean I haven't. I
haven't checked that with Eden Park. I'm just you know,
I'm just doing a little bit of a bush scheduling,
if you like. But I actually don't know if there's
in their interests. I'm getting ahead of myself here, but
I do wonder. I think if it's at home, you
can't in a way you kin'd of wanted to go.

Speaker 19 (01:40:00):
Media I agree, I think I think that's their cauldron,
that's their fortress. And look if they put some extra
seats and get it up towards sort of thirty thousand
plus that it'll sell out.

Speaker 4 (01:40:08):
Obviously.

Speaker 19 (01:40:09):
I think that would would probably benefit them more than
going somewhere. I mean, if they go to Whedon Park,
they've never played their jacket. It wouldn't feel like they're home.
You know that where are the changing rooms, the bus
is going a different way, how do we get there?

Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
All that sort of stuff. And even if I mean
Newcastle are going to be the favorite tonight, if Newcastle
do get up and they are playing the Grand Final
in Newcastle next week, I still think of any team
to be playing away in the Grand Final, AFC is
going to be the most confident as it would. They've
had such a good away season, you know.

Speaker 19 (01:40:38):
I totally agree, Jackie, they haven't. They haven't had any
any qualms about going away and winning in last night.
I mean, Adelaide's a hard place to go anyway, let
alone in a in the second league of a semi
final and to come away with a three nil win
so convincing. Look, I mean it was just yeah, an
absolute yeah, yeah it was. It was their best performance ever.

Speaker 6 (01:40:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
Okay, so we're getting ahead of ourselves, I suppose anyway,
because we have an a League Grand final on today
the Phoenix women this evening. What is it like six fifteen?
I think New Zealand Timers kick off this evening. How
are you rating their chances?

Speaker 19 (01:41:11):
I think they're an absolute chance. So you know, you
get to a grand final and all of a sudden,
it actually doesn't matter where you finished in the regular season.
But Melbourne City were first and the Phoenix for second.
So we've got the best two teams across the regular
season in the grand final.

Speaker 4 (01:41:25):
I just feel like there's.

Speaker 19 (01:41:26):
Something special about this team, Jack, you know, you know
I watched them last week overturn that deficit against Brisbane.
The heart, the spirit, the commitment in this team. Bev
Priestman overseeing it all some players playing at the at
the top of their game. Look, Melbourne City are favorite,
they will be, of course, they're at home. They were
top qualifiers, They've been there before. But history is littered

(01:41:46):
with Grand finals and all sports where underdogs win the trophy,
and I would not be at all surprised, and I'll
certainly be locked in from about it will be four
to fifteen over here, so make sure I get the
time difference right.

Speaker 6 (01:41:57):
Don't want to miss it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:58):
You do not want to miss that, Come on, I
think the idea is right. I'm just yeah, yeah, that's
just the type that's definitely it.

Speaker 19 (01:42:04):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
Yeah, So you're at Suncourt this afternoon your feature interview
Breath and Asta.

Speaker 19 (01:42:08):
Yeah, I can't wait to chat to Braith and also
melman Ninger's on the show talking about Queensland rakeby League Royalty.
I hope you can make it because they'll be stopped
every two minutes. Boy, everybody wanting to chat to them. Yes,
So Braith and Asta and melman Inger are are our
feature chats this afternoon. I do want to talk about
Luke Metcalf as well, because I know I know our
listeners will want to have their say about that whole

(01:42:29):
saga that's played out this week. But yeah, so much
to cram into the show to today, Jack, So we'll
give it a crack.

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
Before we let you go. Any major surprises with the
All Whites naming this week. I think it was basically
the squad that most people would have picked the day before, right.
Obviously some tough calls and some players who are very
unlucky to narrowly miss out. But any big surprises for you.

Speaker 19 (01:42:49):
No, no, no shocks, no bolters. Michael Valved the goalkeeper.
I think that's the right decision and again he was
good last night. Tommy Smith, Yeah, Tommy Smith a big
talking point, but I think we've been over that and
what he adds to the team. And Lockie Bayless, who
will see tonight for Newcastle also making a late run.

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
So no, no real surprises. Just can't wait for it
to get going now, Yeah, no, I can't wait all right?
Thanks her enjoyed this afternoon. That is Jason Pine. He's
going to be with us right after the midday News
live from Brisbane, Queensland for the NRL's Magic Round on
Weekend Sport. Before midday, we've got new music, well not
new music, we've got old music this morning from Fat

(01:43:24):
Freddy's Drop. They have been going on a tour to
mark the twenty first anniversary of Based on a True Story,
their debut breakout album that honestly just one of the
all time greats. Certainly my top five, probably my top
three albums of all time. Chris Sheltz Music Reviewer went
to their big gig at Aucklands Town Hall last night,

(01:43:45):
so he's going to be here to give us all
the goss, all the inside word on that. Next up though,
your book picks for this weekend. If you're looking for
a cracking read right now, it is twenty three to twelve.
You're a Jack Tame on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
Saturday Morning with Jack Tame Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
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Speaker 4 (01:44:03):
Pray to twelve on News Talks EDB. Katherine Rains book
of viewers with us this morning, Killed Her Morning. Have
you been heading up the Auckland Writers Festival over the
last few days?

Speaker 20 (01:44:14):
Just one event that you're probably quite familiar with, the
Patrick Keith, which was fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:44:20):
It was really good, so good. Yeah, gosh, he's an
isn't he.

Speaker 12 (01:44:24):
He certainly is.

Speaker 4 (01:44:26):
Yeah, it's ridiculous. What the kind of story? So he
is For anyone who doesn't know him, he's the author
of a whole series of box He's a New Yorker
writer as well. So his latest book is called London Falling.
But he wrote Say Nothing, which is this amazing story
from the troubles. He wrote Empire of Pain, which is
about the family behind the company that made Oxyconton and

(01:44:48):
contributed massively to the opioid epidemic in the United States.
He's written all sorts of profiles on people like Anthony Bourdaine,
Al Chapo, the head of the Cinela cartel. He's just yeah,
he's a kind of swashbuckling Clark Kent style journo. Is
it like, yeah, he is, Yes, yeah. It was a

(01:45:09):
real privilege to be with him for The York and
Right Assessful this year. But you have two cracking reads
for us to recommend this morning. So let's begin with
The Things We Never Say by Elizabeth strad So.

Speaker 20 (01:45:22):
This is set in a point of time and these
characters are knowing that there's this presidential election going to happen.
I'm not terribly sure of what the outcome is in
said in America, and so there's a lot of fear.
It's for the heart of this novel and anxieties and
rage and despair. But it's set in the hometown of
a character Artie dam in Massachusetts Bay and he's this

(01:45:45):
well loved high school history teacher. He's kind, he's smart,
but when we meet him at the start of the book,
he's considering suicide and trying to work out why he's
feeling this way. He's been married to Eve for thirty years.
He has a son, Rob, who's seventeen, but somehow he
feels really apart from them, and he doesn't quite know why.

(01:46:05):
And then his friend Flossi has moved away as well,
and no one seems to talk to each other. And
then sort of overlaying, this is a tragedy that had
happened in a car accident in seventeen year old Rob
was involved of this, and during the story, Artie learns
a secret and his entire world spins on an axis.
And it's really thought provoking and perceptive about human life

(01:46:29):
and what we think about. And she's exceptional as an
author at that human observation, and her novels are often
very thought provoking and perceptive, and this book has some
particularly good observations about the current state of America and
its point in history and its years. She kind of
winds that into the story, and it's really fascinating.

Speaker 4 (01:46:47):
Okay, cool, So that's the things we never say by
Elizabeth Strade. You've also read The Calamity Club by Catherine Stockett.

Speaker 20 (01:46:55):
So Katherine Stockett about ten years ago wrote a book
called The Help, and this is her next one, so
ten years last. It's been been a while, and this
one again is set in Mississippi, in Oxford and a
place called Oxford in nineteen thirty and we're deep in
depression era South. And she writes in such a way
that you feel like you're there in Mississippi, and the
historical context of what she writes or resonates, And at

(01:47:18):
the center of this novel is the Calamity Club and
this deeply unlikely group of females and they bond together
to survive their society. Woman black maids, prostitutes, and ex
convict to medical student and they're all together. And you know,
this is at a time probably still is in lots
of ways where you know, the South was often barely integrated,
and this social mixing is a particular achievement, you know,

(01:47:42):
when society has judged that these women should not even
be in the same room together. But the story itself
is told through two different points of view and alternates
between the experiences of Bertie Calhoun, who's unmarried and outspoken,
and she arrives in Oxford to see her sister Francis,
and she's really got nothing with her and nothing left
in her life. And then there's eleven year old Meg Lafleur,

(01:48:03):
who's been abandoned and she's fighting to keep her spirit
and she's navigating life as an older girl and an
Orthorage orphanage. And these characters are completely believable. It's quite dark,
but it's got comedy in there as well, and lots
of hope. And there's lots of fames, racism, sexism, mental illness,
and this unethically moralized government and just the failures around

(01:48:27):
how women are treated. And it's just this real reminder of,
you know, these radical women who managed to get together
and decide that they will that they will not be
swept under the carpet. And she writes writes so well,
and it's such an interesting look and a historical context.

Speaker 4 (01:48:42):
Is great, great, okay cool. So that's The Calamity Club
by Katherine Stockett. Catherine's first book, The Things We Never
Say by Elizabeth Strad and the details for those reads
will be up on the news Talks. They'd be website.
It's just coming up to courter.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
To twelve, sweet ass listening for your Saturday for Saturday
Morning with Jack Day on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 19 (01:49:14):
You know, I feel so good when I know you're
scanking with you, and I know you're scanking so.

Speaker 12 (01:49:23):
Good when you doteen to twelve on.

Speaker 4 (01:49:27):
News Talks Envy. Oh so good. That's Roady by Fat
Freddy's drop. You know it, Poor old Crest is just
coming to the studio, and I've just been renting away
in the airs, being like this is one of the
best albums of all time, which was a defining album.
Sing to me, yeah, I mean I could. I could, Honestly,
I could sit down and sing this entire album lenked

(01:49:47):
to link like every note, every notation I've been poor
listeners have already heard me this morning. It just I mean,
for me, I was seventeen when this album came out.
I was almost eighteen. It was just before my eighteenth birthday.
I've told people before. I can remember where I was,
I remember the I remember the Sounds Music Store where
I bought it. I remember the feeling of having based
on a true story the CD in my bag and

(01:50:10):
thinking I cannot wait to get home so I can
play this. Yeah, I just think this is I think,
and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels
that way.

Speaker 8 (01:50:17):
Absolutely not not. I was in Wellington when this album
was released two thousand and five.

Speaker 4 (01:50:21):
It came out.

Speaker 8 (01:50:22):
You could not go to a house, party, a cafe,
a restaurant. It blasted from cars, it was everywhere. I've
probably heard this album more than any other album because
it's it's such a classic. They were playing this album
in full last night at the Oakantown Hall. Sold out tonight,
sold out tomorrow. The CIVICX also sold out on Sunday.
This might be the most popular tour Fat Freddy's drop

(01:50:45):
Have You Ever Done? And some of that's based on yes,
nostalgia for this album. Everyone knows these songs as first,
as soon as those piano notes. You did feel it
in the crowd last night, This this ripple of excitement
through them. Just as that started, that kicked it all off,
and then we were away. So there's that, right, But

(01:51:07):
then there was this other thing hanging over this show.
You could see it up on the screen behind them.
They had this big cartoon image of Moo. DJ Fitchy
Chris Foemu, the founder creative.

Speaker 18 (01:51:21):
Genius.

Speaker 8 (01:51:21):
Genius is the word. Yes, he was the guy who
made Fat Freddy's what. They passed away tragically last year
at the age of fifty seven.

Speaker 4 (01:51:28):
He was the kind of guy that everyone like when
you thought of when you pictured Fat Freddy's, you thought
of Moo as well. You thought of Moo in Dallas, right.

Speaker 8 (01:51:34):
I saw them play Summer twenty twenty four, and he
was the first guy to come out on stage. And
every time I've seen Fat Freddy's he was always the
first guy to come out in stage and set it up,
set those opening notes, set the tone.

Speaker 4 (01:51:46):
So this show was going to say, this is so
much about Fat Freddy's that they don't all come out
at once, like they just sort of like amble on
the stage. Yeah, let the others play for five or
six minutes. Then I would just come out and add
another little vein anyway, Sorry, that's how long.

Speaker 8 (01:51:59):
Their songs are.

Speaker 4 (01:52:00):
Yeah, I've got time to do it.

Speaker 8 (01:52:01):
Some of their songs like teen fifteen.

Speaker 18 (01:52:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:52:04):
But so that was hanging over the night and Dallas
Tomida the front man. He paid tribute to mo several times.
Last night, I think we have some some audio of that.

Speaker 18 (01:52:17):
Who all his.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
Kills, his viperations, soul.

Speaker 18 (01:52:25):
Into those recordings and.

Speaker 7 (01:52:29):
Useless.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
Uh well it was now on the famous in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:52:40):
Yeah, that's nice.

Speaker 8 (01:52:41):
Yeah, I mean it's true, you know that that that
album is iconic, and I think that's that's part of
the reason this album is o This tour has sold
so well. They're playing thirty dates, are touring Europe through
the rest of the year. I believe this is the
biggest Fat Freddy's drop tour they've ever done. They're clearly
they haven't done any interviews, they haven't sort of explained
to anyone how most passings affect the affected them. Instead,

(01:53:03):
they seem to be hosting these parties and last night,
you know that there were undertones of of of you know,
like this maybe this is like a party at awake. Yeah, thing,
But I also think it's one of the best Fat
Freddy shows I've seen. It was so raucous. At one point,
the guy on the tuba in his underwear walked his

(01:53:26):
way through the crowd with this massive tuber, got down
to the mixing desk, stood up on it and that's
how they finished the show with this guy in his
at the mixing desk with everyone around him. It was
it was sensational and it really did end and it's
quite you foric, like almost like a rave lifted the
tempo and it was incredible to see.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
It's just so special. I'm really really pleased. So they're
playing Orkant town Hall tonight and then playing the Civic
as well Sunday. Yeah, how good? And then and then
off to Europe where they're probably even you know, bigger
than they are in they already sold out a lot
of those shows. Yeah, yeah, I'm not surprised. All right, Chris,
thank you so much. We will play a great fat
Freddy song to close out our show in a couple

(01:54:07):
of minutes eight to twelve on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
Your weekend stance right here Saturday Morning with Jack tam
on News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 4 (01:54:18):
Right, oh, that is us for another Saturday morning together
on news Talk ZIBI. Thank you so much for your
company throughout the morning, for all of your texts and
emails communication throughout the morning. I oh you know this
For everything from as show, you can go to news
talks HEB dot co dot NZ Ford slash Jack. We
put all the good stuff up there. Jason Pine has

(01:54:41):
the extremely tough job of being in Brisbane this weekend
for the NRL's Magic Round, which is going to be
so much fun as feature interview on weekends for this Afternoon,
Braith and Asta, and of course he's counting down the
hours to the A League Women's Grand Final for twenty
twenty six, the Phoenix taking on Melbourne at quarter past

(01:55:01):
six this evening, so all the very best to them.
We're going to leave you this morning with that pretty
strong from the classic based on a true story released
twenty one years ago. This is Wondering. I thanks to
my producer Heidi, and I will see you next week.

Speaker 10 (01:55:19):
When the seats the Pens Family of Ours Friends basis
familiar farm from the same come on.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
Family name full step through the back, Steen.

Speaker 13 (01:55:37):
Barns, Happily.

Speaker 10 (01:55:41):
Puss your name and the names you name.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:55:53):
And song cook and start, I can tell half way
to look pass.

Speaker 18 (01:56:24):
By b couldn't a thing, couldn't a document, can act,

(01:56:55):
didn't a decent Dinna

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
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