Full Show Podcast: 18 July 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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More in a good morning, news Hilla, welcome to news
Talk's ed V Jack Tam with you through the midday today.
It's a grade day in the O nine. It's a
grade day. I've been looking forward to the Ireland test.
I think, wow, perhaps more than I think any of
the any of the other initial tests for the All
Blacks this year. So it'll be interesting to see how
conditions developed throughout the day. Pretty still at the moment

(01:02):
as the All Blacks seek to defend that incredible Eden
Park record. We'll chat to our sportow about that before
ten o'clock this morning as well as that. Are you
a culture vulture? Have you read The Odyssey? Well, good
news if, like me, you haven't and you're just not
sure that you can quite get round to reading it
anytime soon. Christopher Nolan has of course had a crack
at the epic tale, so we're gonna hear all about

(01:26):
The Odyssey, the film version from our film reviewer before
ten and then after ten in studio with us Kiwi
legend friend of the show, jin Wigmore. She is releasing
her first album in eight years. She's been through a
whole heap of stuff recently. Jin Wigmore say she's going
to be with us to talk a little bit about
Beautiful Mess, her brand new album in studio after ten.

(01:46):
Can't wait for that right now, it's eight minutes past nine,
Jack Team. What is the biggest moment of serendipity or
coincidence that you can recall in your entire life. I
want to start with that question this morning. Just think
about it for a moment. What was the biggest moment

(02:07):
of serendipity or coincidence in your life. I can't say
I've had anything too spooky. I don't think a few
like kind of random encounters that have made me think, oh,
you know, I was in I was traveling once in Versailles,
in France. I was kind of standing in a gift
shop as you do, perusing a bookshelf, when I realized

(02:29):
that the person who was standing immediately next to me
was an old friend from christ Church. So neither of
us had any idea that the other was traveling in
Europe let alone in France let alone at the Palace
of Versailles. A minute or two either way, a different bus,
and we would have been ships in the night. But
there must be I don't know. No end of those

(02:51):
narrowly missed connections in life that you actually don't appreciate
have happened, right but for a minute or two either way,
and you miss each other. Certainly, no coincidence, no serendipity
in my life can come anywhere. That of the world's
greatest football player and the young man whom many people

(03:12):
believe is the closest thing to his heir apparent. The
photo has been everywhere over the last couple of days,
but if you haven't seen it yet, it is an
absolute doozy. So in two thousand and seven, Leonel Messi,
a young star on Barcelona's globally famous football team, was
roped into doing a photo shoot for UNICEF le mien Ya.

(03:33):
Mahl's parents entered a competition in the local newspaper to
win a photo shoot for their baby with a famous
sports star, and the rest, as they say, is history.
So in the photos, Messi cares for a chubby little baby.
In one photo, he gives him a bubble bath. In
another he cradles the baby in his arms. Honestly, is

(03:55):
a bit awkward. It's a bit dated. Apparently, as a
twenty year old, Messi had absolutely no idea how to
hold a baby, and you definitely get that impression from
the photos. And it wouldn't really be notable today except
for the fact that the five month old little chubster
in the photo, the five month old being bathed and

(04:15):
held by Messi, is now also the star of Barcelona's
globally famous football team, and that nineteen years since they
met for the first time, these two extraordinary stars of
the world's most popular sport are about to play each
other for the very first time in a football World
Cup final. I mean, honestly, what are the chances? What

(04:39):
are the chances? Just try and consider a fraction of
the different variables that need to line up in order
to make Monday morning happen. So, first of all, right,
go back nineteen years. You need to have a photo shoot.
The photo shoot needs to be with a Barcelona football player,
not just any football player, but the player who will,

(05:01):
in years to come be widely considered the greatest to
ever take a football field. Then you need to win
the raffle not just with any kid, but with a
kid who will also become a professional football player. Not
just any professional football player, mind you, but the vunderkind
of the Spanish national team, one of the world's best

(05:21):
players in the best known sport, and a star of
the very same club as the guy who held them
in the bubble bath. Then the two of them have
to make their respective national teams in the same Football
World Cup. One of them is one of the youngest
players in the tournament, the other is one of the oldest.
Then those two teams need to come from separate sides

(05:42):
of the draw to both make the final. You thought
that Lotto had long odds. The likelihood of all of
these things happening is just absolutely preposterous. Because I'm a
total nerd. I follow a subreddit on social media where
people pose silly maths questions and members of the community

(06:05):
try and show their workings in order to solve them
or get close to solving them. I just knew as
soon as Argentina qualified for the final and the photo
of Messi and your mal as a baby started trending
on the internet once again, there would be a robust
debate about the statistical probability of these events. I knew
it would happen. I was on my subreddit about ten

(06:27):
minutes after the final whistle. While all of the posters agree,
there are honestly too many variables to get a perfect answer.
The best efforts this week put the probability it's somewhere
between one in fifty nine billion and one in three quadrillion.

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It is, in short, highly unlikely. It makes you think,
don't you reckon that little bit harder about the random
encounters in your own life? Who knows if that person
you randomly bump into and almost immediately forget could in
years to come be one of the most important people

(07:11):
in your life. Who knows? Who knows? The photographer who
shot Messi and Yamal almost two decades ago was interviewed
about the experience this week, and honestly, it's hard to
disagree with his take. As the two stars of his
photo shoot prepare to meet once again and face off
on the biggest stage in global sport, he was asked

(07:34):
for his thoughts. It was, he said, a true miracle
of destiny. Check team ninety two. Ninety two is our
text number if you want to flip me a message
this morning. Don't forget the standard textcos supply you can
email me as well. Jacket Newstalks, HEDB dot co dot
nz be fourteen o'clock. Al Brown is in this morning.

(07:54):
He's going to share with us Al Brown's depot sashimi recipe.
So this is the sashimi that they serve at his
incredible restaurant depot. And I know you're thinking, hey, on sashimi.
I'm pretty sure I know how to cook sashimi. Don't worry.
We're not cooking sashimi. It's how you dress the sashimi.
It's really simple but so so delicious. So he's gonna

(08:15):
be with us very shortly. Kevin Mill will get the
show underway in a couple of minutes though. Quarter past
nine Saturday morning. I'm Jack tay This is News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Saturday Morning with Jack tame Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by News Talks EDB. Well, you're heading out to
start your Saturday turn off Jack Saturday Morning with Jack
Tamee on News Talk sed B.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Right eighteen minutes past nine on New Talks EDB, Jack,
I was trying to track down a Canadian army officer
who wrote to my mother when she was in the
British Land Army. I finally found an historian in Alberta
who agreed to help me, and then he exclaimed that, oh,
the office that I was trying to track down was
actually his teacher at his high school Sedland.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
As funny is that. It was one of those moments
where you're like, wow, is however many billion people on
the planet. Actually, maybe we aren't so disconnected. Shari has
just sent me a note to say, ah, don't forget
amazing photo of John F. Kennedy shaking hands with Bill
Clinton when Bill Clinton was a precocious young student. See,
I suppose there are you know, you could break all

(09:17):
of the different kind of probability metrics down, all of
the statistical likelihood of each individual event. But then you
would say that for someone like a US president or
even a famous football star, they are in the nature
as part of the nature of the job, meeting lots
of different people. Probably right, there are lots of different
occasions more than just you or I would be meeting

(09:38):
on a random week. That being said, it still does
seem pretty crazy. I'll get tomorrow feedback in a couple
of some great little examples of coincidences and serendipitous encounters
coming through ninety two ninety two. If you want to
send us a messages this morning, is that that's the
text number. Kevin Milns here with us this morning. Kill
to Kevin Kyoda.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
There are thousands of images on your average news broadcast,
but that one photograph stole the show with our place
last night.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
It's amazing. It's funny because I I've known about that
photo for quite a few years. I've seen it, you know,
quite a few times. But I knew just for the
stars aligning all these little things like for example, you know,
you just think for them to meet for the first
time in a game in the World Cup final like that,
that actually just even little things like you needed to

(10:25):
have Argentina and Spain be on different sides of the
World Cup draw you know, if they'd been on the
same side of the drawer, then they might have met
in a quarterfinal or something that wouldn't have been quite
as interesting. But the fact that they're meeting on the
biggest stage for the first time, I just, yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
Anyway, did you follow it sort of coming out there?
Did you follow it as this extraordinary occurrence got closer
and closer. Had you forgotten you had seen the first?

Speaker 3 (10:50):
No? No, no, the moment I saw the photo. I
saw the photo a couple of years ago when Lemna
Marle broke onto the kind of world football stage at
the Euros. So he was a real star. And he
was sixteen or seventeen at the Euros and broke onto
the world stage. And the photo was online then And
when I saw for the first time, I assumed it
was a I or I assumed that it was people.

(11:11):
I assumed that it was a made up thing, you know,
And I thought, Oh, for goodness sake, there's no way
that the sky can be that these two people can
be connected. And then I saw that it was real.
And so coming into this World Cup, I thought, oh,
it'll be interesting. But I hadn't realized that they had
never played. I never really stopped to think that they
had never really played on a football pitch together until now. So, yeah,

(11:32):
it's remarkable. But Kevin, you have you have for us
this week some fond memories of the late actors of
Sam Neil.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
Among the tributes to Sam Neil this week were reflections
on the contrast between the commanding characters that the great
man played and the choir as almost shy person that
he was personally.

Speaker 7 (11:53):
I have a story that goes.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
Back to when Sam had just become a household name
in New Zealand. He had played the lead role of
Smith and Sleeping Dogs. So we're going back to nineteen
seventy seven seventy eight. We had no Sam a bit
for a year or two. My wife Linda got a
call from him saying he had just landed a role
in the Australian movie My Brilliant Career. It required him

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to be on horseback, and although we could ride, he
needed some coaching on how to manage a horse on hills.
Linda could do that. Sam was a lad of gentle
charm and exceptionally good looks. For Linda, a very shy
twenty two year old, the thought of spending an afternoon
on her own with the gorgeous Sam Neil freaked her

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a bit.

Speaker 8 (12:39):
Anyway, they hid off in the car together, two gorgeous people,
on the journey to where Linda kept her horse. I
feared I might never see my wife again, but Linda
discovered Sam was every bit as shy as she was
as they drove along. Not only was she struggling to

(13:00):
get a sentence out to stamp to Sam, but the
star of Sleeping Dogs was having equal difficulty thinking of.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
What said to her. They were like two fifteen year
olds on a fair state. For a long time, she says,
there was awkward silence, and after a few k's, Sam
broke the ice when a dairy came into view. Shall
we stop at the dairy and I'll buy some summer rolls?

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A very sweet offer from the twenty eight year old
movie star, which Linda accepted. Communications must have improved enough
for Linda to show Sam how to handle a horse
on hills, because the following year we watched him do
it up on the big screen so strikingly, so elegantly

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in the highly successful My Brilliant Career.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
That's a lovely mess, just a little story. Yeah, that
is a lovely memory, Kevin, That's a really lovely Memory's
that sad news this week after after you know, I,
you know, saw them come before his peers at the
TV Awards last year and then and be celebrated, and
then you know, it just sounded like his health was
on the improve. But yes, it was a bit of

(14:16):
a shock.

Speaker 5 (14:17):
It shocked me to the core, really really shocked me.
I mean, I don't know that I've got any other
friend who has been so successful as in and so
you don't imagine that he's going to be cut down
sort of. I know he was seventy eight, but I
mean it feels young when you're seventy seven. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Thank you so much, Kevin. Have a great weekend and
we will catch again. So Kevin Melne with us this morning.
Thank you very much for your feedback.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
I was my name Hermit Park. I'm a big fan. Thanks.
I was reading articles about an Indian writer in the
Indian newspapers and magazines since nineteen ninety five and twenty thirteen.
I was in a hair salon in Mumbai. It happened
to meet the person who'd been writing them as I
was sitting right next to him. A total miracle. It
is amazing when you have those little moments where you think, oh,
here's someone I've thought about in my life. Well, I've

(15:09):
followed from Afar all my life, and then what do
you know, You meet them in the most unassuming circumstances.
Isn't that amazing story Jack about Messi and yourmal best
intro to a show ever. Thank you ninety ninety two.
If you want to send us a message, give me
your examples of coincidences and serendipitous moments, anything that's made
you go ooh, Actually, my brother had one a couple
of weeks ago. So my brother, he more than a

(15:32):
decade ago, went on exchange to Mexico, right, So he
was living in Mexico City for I think the best
part of a year. And when he was living in
Mexico City, he became really good friends with a guy
from Sweden who was also an exchange student. They kept
in touch for five or six years, but then, as
tends to happen, they sort of drifted apart, and so
he hadn't been in contact for five or six years.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Anyway, my brother recently moved to Mexico to live, right,
and so he was he was walking down the street
in Wahaka in Mexico the other day when all of
a sudden, he looked across the street and he recogn
the same guy whom he'd been friends with eleven years ago.
They lived in a completely different city in Mexico that
had been exchange students, and he was like, hang on

(16:15):
a second, I know that I know that gate, I
know that face. And it turns out his mate from
Sweden was just in Mexico on holiday, happened to be
walking down the street that my brother happened to be
walking down on a random afternoon. They bumped into each other,
went and had dinner. How amazing, But it's one of those.
Note my brother was absoutly shaken up. He was so
good to see him. But I'm a little bit unnerved
as well. So I'll get to moor of your examples

(16:35):
in a few minutes. Our Sportos in two twenty six
past nine on News Talk's.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
EDB Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
Team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Twenty eight minutes past nine on News Talks EDB our Sporto.
Andrew sevil is in with us this morning. So conditions
still a little bit gray in the nine head of
the All Backs test against Ireland this evening, Sam, But
how are you feeling about that Eden Park record?

Speaker 7 (17:02):
Yeah, at least it's not windy and it's not raining.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Jack.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
Yes, good morning, We'll get onto the We'll get onto
the fief for World Cup in just a moment, but
I'm feeling pretty confident. I think I think this Irish team,
yes a lot of regular names in it from the
last four or five years when when they've had the
All Blacks number, but they're missing a few vital players
through injury the Irish, and I just think if the

(17:28):
All Blacks can keep playing the way they're playing, or
at least try to, but also cut down on the
era as we saw against the Italians, yeah, I think
they should win. The Irish will probably kick a lot
put the back three under pressure, which the All Blacks
won't mind because they want to play counterattacking football, transition

(17:49):
football football from broken play, and I think the Irish
would have taken a leaf out of the Italians book
as well and try to slow the ball down at
the breakdown and maybe even rush defend. So the All
Blacks will certainly have a job on the hands tonight.
But I think if they can play with that positive
optimism which is the excuse me, the catch cry of

(18:12):
this new management team, I think the All Blacks should win.
They've beaten the Irish ever since that classic game at
the World Cup in the quarter final and twenty twenty
three they've beaten the Irish twice, so they certainly do
have form running in the All Blacks.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
What do you think Renny selections mean for Boden Barrett's future.

Speaker 7 (18:32):
Yeah, I think I'm a little surprised he isn't on
the bench tonight because I thought maybe he could come
on and just settle things down if needed, like he did.
I think it was against the French and the English
under Scott Robertson. Will he make the South African tour,

(18:52):
Probably because Richie Wonger can't be picked unless there's an
injury to say, a ten or a fifteen Mulonger won't
be picked to South Africa. So I think he'll make
that trip, and I think they'll use him in those
midweek games and with a view to possibly again if
there are injury setbacks or otherwise, that he could still
play in the Test matches. I don't think it's over

(19:15):
for Boden Barrett in this All Black jersey. I think
once the World Cup comes around next year then Boden
Barrett will be gone from New Zealand rugby. But at
the moment I think he's very much in the All
Blacks picture that'll be enlarged picture.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, very annoying. I don't know who's in
charge of the scheduling. You just think that the NRL
and the rugby powers that they would would be able
to share each other's calendar from time to time. But
the Dragons of the Warriors are playing tonight at exactly
the same time the All Blacks are playing.

Speaker 7 (19:45):
At least it's not say an nr ROL playoff games
the Dragons. I think it's great that both games have
sold out jack like forty five to fifty thousand in
Eden Park, twenty five thousand at Mount Smart, so a
great night ahead for the city and publicans around the town.
But yeah, sometimes I do scratch my head and look
at some sporting administration doesn't go to you. They on

(20:07):
the same planet as US. I would imagine the NRL
drawer was out well and truly last year, so they
would have had first DIBs. Last week. The All Blacks
kicked off at five o'clock to accommodate the Irish Japan
game in Australia, so you think something could have been devised.
But anyway, there'll be a lot of interest in both games.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
That's for sure, World Cup final Monday morning. Same Argentina.
What a billing us the young the young buck.

Speaker 7 (20:42):
Yeah, yeah, the the year has gone out of it
a little bit in England didn't didn't. Given England didn't
make a fine, I would have loved to have seen
them make the final. They I mean they ballsed that
up a little bit, but also a.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Little bit a little bit. Yeah it was. It was
a disaster almost entirely of their own making.

Speaker 7 (21:03):
And and Thomas Tookele, the German, who was supposed to
be the White Knight as a manager coach very odd substitutions.
So there's an amazing stat that no foreign coach has
ever coached a national team to a World Cup victory.
And the Argentinians and Spaniards will, obviously, whoever wins, will

(21:28):
keep that trot going. Interesting phrase it's been used, and
I liken this to the All Blacks night jack this quickly.
A phrase around England is that they seem to be
so afraid of losing that game the other day that
they forgot their desire to win, or their desire to
win flew out the window. And I think with the
All Blacks night and that Eden Park record that's their

(21:49):
approach that I've got to take, and I think they
are is that rather than being fearful of losing and
losing this record, they're going out to win. Should be
a classic game on Monday morning. Isn't it amazing that
photograph which you spoke about earlier? What I missed the odds?
Did you?

Speaker 9 (22:05):
Well?

Speaker 3 (22:06):
The problem is that there are so many variables, right,
and so it's hard to get an exactly correct number.
But the place I get my odds from that the
good money, seems.

Speaker 7 (22:19):
To be on com I follow.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
I follow a subreddit where people where people opposed curious
maths questions and then they publicly have to show their workings.
Yeah no, this is this is the tragedy that is
my life. Anyway, The best the good money seems to
be on somewhere between one and fifty nine billion and
one in three quadrillion.

Speaker 7 (22:43):
So you'd probably have better odds in winning lotto, maybe
three or four weeks in a row something like that.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, yeah, like significantly better because it's all of the
little things like in some respects, you go, well, it's
not crazy to think that because they both lived in Barcelona, right,
so not crazy to think that actually a Barcelona football
player would meet a child in Barcelona. But then to think, okay,
but not only had.

Speaker 7 (23:07):
To be good enough to be signed by Barcelona.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
But to be good enough to be to make it
as a professional football player. To then be good enough
to make it as a professional footballer player for Barcelona
one of the best football teams in the world. To
then make the Football World Cup as a nineteen year old,
to then make the Football World Cup final, for then
the World Cup final. To be in a position whereby
you have Argentina and Spain on different sides of the drawer,
like it does, all of these different things.

Speaker 7 (23:30):
And mess and Messi's thirty nine exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I often see I often see photos crop up
of say a little Reuben Love with an Ardie Savia, yeah,
or a young kid with with a with a current
all black, and those odds are long enough. But no,
we're near what we were about to see on Monday morning.
It's a it's a it's an amazing story, amazing story.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
All right, and all the week. He is cash again
very soon, our Sporto Andrew Sail, thank you very much
for your texts and emails. This morning, Hey, of examples
coming through Jack. We were living in Ossi in nineteen eighty.
My husband went to the UK and business he flew
home via Alaska via japan Ai Airlines. While wandering duty free,
he spoke with the customs agent, who told him to
wait until all the Japanese passengers has gone because if

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he wanted to buy anything, because they were typically charged more.
They got chatting. He asked where she lived. I live
in the US. She does, six months since in Alaska?
She said, ah. He said, oh, my sister had emigrated
from the UK to the US many years earlier. Where
blah blah blah blah blah. Chating in fast forward a
few minutes, they worked out that the customs lady lived
exactly next door to his sister. Huh, that's amazing. Yeah,

(24:37):
there is a funny a those little moments. You've got
an example by all men's texteds through twenty four minutes
to ten. Your film picks next, including Christopher Nolan's Odyssey.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
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Speaker 3 (24:57):
A bunch. That's Brian Adams. He's just announced his role
with the Punches tours coming to New Zealand so good.
He's going to be playing christ Church and Auckland in
March of next year, so if you're a fan, tickets
are going to be available from Funtier Touring from Monday.

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It's just coming up to twenty to ten, which means
it's time to catch up with Francisca Rudkin, our film reviewer,
and get her picks for the week Old of Francisca.

Speaker 10 (25:27):
Good morning.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
This one's had a lot of high I'm really looking
forward to your thoughts on it. Let's have a listen,
first of all, to Christopher Nolan's brand new The Odyssey.

Speaker 11 (25:35):
Miss the Household went from Master.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
I want you to chew.

Speaker 12 (25:42):
Scream I because Keen is coming back.

Speaker 11 (25:47):
No he's not.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Don't dun.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
This is, of course, Homer is ancient epic Greek poem.
I'm ashamed to say I haven't read The Odyssey, and
I think I'm probably going to see the film before
I read it.

Speaker 10 (25:59):
Yet. Look, I haven't read it either, so I'm not
coming to this film review as an academic and an
expert on the Odyssey. But from what I do know
about the poem, I think Nolan has stuck to the
kind of the events that we all know of and
the themes as well. That and there are so many
different things in this story and this poem, this twelve

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thousand line poem, and it is a story that has everything.
It's got every story and has sort of been responsible
for creating all sorts of genres from you know, sort
of fantasy and science fiction, all sorts of things. It's
all in here, and as you say, been a lot
of hype. He released a trailer. Everybody got upset about

(26:45):
different things, the modern dialogue, the American accents, the questionable
historical details, the casting choices, and I just think everyone
just needs to calm down and go to the movie.
You're going to need to find yourself one hundred and
seventy to spend minutes because it is very, very long.
We're almost hitting the tour mark. But it is a
it is a masterplce. He has reverted back to sort

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of very classic filmmaking. He's hardly used any computer generated imagery.
He's used puppets and things to create all these monsters.
So there's an absolute joy to watch on the big screen.
It's also been shot. If this is Christopher Nolan's first

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to feature film shot entirely on Imax cameras, so it's
seventeen milimeter film. I saw it in the Imax. I
have a bit of a love hate relationship with the
Imax theater. Unless you're back in the middle, it can
be really distracting trying to watch everything.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 10 (27:46):
Just wanted to sit back and take this in. But this,
you know, this is a film that is made to
be seen at this at a cinema. So just wherever
you are in the country, find the biggest screen you
can and go and enjoy this film. I was a
little worried about Matt Damon as our hero does. Yes,
I didn't know whether he might have the gravitas to
pull it off. But as the film progresses and we
see the huge impact that the Battle of Troy had

(28:09):
on him, how the impact of this war and the
consequences of his leadership kind of broke him as a man.
You know, the weight of the decisions that he made
and the sacrifices that you know that were made by
his men under him as that way sort of wears

(28:30):
him down. I think he does a really beautiful job.
All the performances are very good. They're very intimate. As
I say, you know, it looks spectacular. A little bit
too long. Lots of little came here, lots of famous
people are popping up, the.

Speaker 13 (28:44):
Sort of little rolls here and there. Pace wined a
little for me at a few moments I thought, yeah,
we could have just sped this up a little bit.
But all in all, he's done, and as you'd expect
from Christopher Nolan, it is not a linear kind of
structure to this film. We're sort of flicking back and
forward in time into different places and things, and I
think he's done really a really nice job of it.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Oh, very good. Okay, I can't wait to see it's
The Odyssey is showing in cinemas obviously Imax cinemas around
the country at the moment. Next up, also showing in cinemas,
This is I Object Many.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Hi, Tom, We're worried about you, Thomas. We've seen you
talking to these things.

Speaker 12 (29:23):
Maybe it's just something he's going through.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
No, the boy needs help.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Okay, So that's eye Object.

Speaker 10 (29:31):
So this is a new film from Andrew Nicole, who
is a screenwriter, director and producer. You know, he's a
key with He is responsible for films like Geteka. He
wrote and produced The Truman Show, The Terminal. He you know,
he's been there, done it. This is a really sweet film.
It's a family film. It's a film for children that

(29:52):
discusses some quite serious has some quite serious themes in it,
but he's dealt with it in quite a light and
fun way, but not not sort of but also you know,
I think is respectful of younger people and what they
can potentially manage in things. It's a live action animation
our young hero Tom. He's a ten year old boy.

(30:13):
His father has died and he's really struggling with the
changes in his life. And he has this disease which
actually Andrew and his daughter have and they see faces
and objects and this is actually a real thing, and
these objects talk to him, and this is sort of
he's verted into his imagination to deal with what's going
on in his life. And it's the story of how

(30:33):
he manages to kind of reconnect with humans thanks to
the help of these objects and things. As I said,
really sweet. It's a family film. It's a little bit different.
It's almost like a little bit of a sort of
an artthouthy kids.

Speaker 11 (30:47):
Film in a way.

Speaker 13 (30:49):
But you know he's done a really nice job of it,
and it's got a fabulous cast as well.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Okay, great, so that is our object. Francisca's first film
is The Odyssey, both of them showing and cinemas at
the moment. Thank you, Francisca. All the details will be
on the news talks he'd be. Webs are honestly so
many great little examples of serendipitis and commincity of moments
over the years. I'm going to share a couple with
you very quickly, Jack. About forty years ago, I was
working in real estate. I was driving in a car

(31:13):
with two other real estate agents, women real estate agents
and an older male agent to view the listings for
the day. We got chatting and for some reason the
conversation turned to Krawo Island. The bloke in the back
seat mentioned that he'd been to Carwo Island once and
that had been queued up on the wharf waiting to
catch the ferry when a little girl had come running

(31:34):
down the wharf and had jumped off into the ocean.
He'd been concerned because she couldn't swim. He remembers the
occasion because he was in a suit and wearing a
gold watch. But he dived into the water to save
this little girl. I remember the story too, because my
father had explained to me that when I was a
little girl, just three or four years old, I had

(31:55):
gone running down the wharf at Carwo Island and jumped
into the water and I was saved by a man
wearing a suit and a gold watch. Ah, that's crazy.
You get the little chills up. You're fine if you've
got a good story. Fourteen to ten. L Brown with
his sashimi next.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Where the weekend finds its rhythm. Saturday Morning with Jack
Team on Youth Talks.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
It'd be fourthen our News Talks, he'd be and L
Brown is in with us this morning with a delicious
little winter recipe for us.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
El cur on, Jack, how are you Mane?

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yeah good, thanks very well. Sounds like you're living the
tough life. Is always up in fun of Naki.

Speaker 14 (32:34):
Yeah yeah, I've had an air operation about a week
ago and ahead, so I'm sort of doing a little
bit of a recovery session. But it's bloody nice out here,
that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Very good. I saw you've been in the Wars a
little bit. I hope that things are improving.

Speaker 14 (32:51):
Just panel beating mate, once you get over your sixties.
You know.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
I'm the executive.

Speaker 15 (32:56):
Are you well to go?

Speaker 8 (32:57):
No?

Speaker 3 (32:58):
No, no, no, Hey, you've got a brilliant little very
generous of you to share this with us, a brilliant
little number here for preparing sashimi like they do it Depot.
And this is with a little bit of your famous
ginger ninja. So why don't you just run us through it?

Speaker 14 (33:13):
Sure I will actually, and you know I've thrown the
ginger ninja in there because it's a really quick and
easy way to do it. But you can actually do
a soy syrup instead of the ginger ninda if you
haven't got that. But that's an undershamed plug from me.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
For that's all right, we do plug.

Speaker 14 (33:31):
But if you have you have, you haven't got ginger ninja,
just do fifty so and fifty sugar and you would
put that so, you know, half a cup of sugar,
half a cup of soy in the pot and reduce
that just a little bit and that's your soy syrup.
So you that's how you do it. But this, this
is this, this has been on the Depot menu for

(33:51):
probably four or five years and people love it. So sashimi,
you know, it's all about fresh fish, so and and
really great sashimi I always think comes from an oily fish.
So you know, we often use travali or kingfish. Obviously,
salmon will work very very well. And salmon, you know,
is always in the in the stores, and we have
great salmon and New Zealand. So thinly sliced fish, that's all.

(34:16):
It is, so sort of mouth sized pieces and if
you were going to serve them as a as an individual,
you just put them on individual plates or as I
like to do, is on a platter. I love that
sort of family style of eating. Yeah, so you spread them,
you cut the fish and nice and thin, put it
on a platter. Then we use Cooopie mayonnaise, which is
this kind of famous Japanese mayonnaise. Many of you all

(34:37):
have heard of it and seen it. You get that,
and they're all supermarkets now in the Asian aisle, you'll
see it. And if you see one with a yellow top,
grab that one. I mean, they're all good, but the
yellow top has a bit of mustard in it, and
this thing seems to go. It just gives out a
little bit of a bit of a swing to the dish,
which we love. So you'll get your koopie and you'll

(34:59):
put a little dot on each of the pieces of
the fish, the sashimi that you've cut thinly and put
on the plate. Then you'll take and with sabi peas.
So there's not a hell of a lot of cooking.
And no, that's good, it's beautiful about.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
I'd be concerned if you were cooking your sashimi.

Speaker 14 (35:14):
Yes, yes you were, Yes, you would be. And so
that you grab some with sabi peas. And again you
can get those anywhere now and you crush those up,
so you use a rolling pin, put them in a
bag or something, or if you have a water and
parcel or crush them that way. So you sprinkle those
over the top of it, all the fish and which
has got the mayonnaise little blob on each piece now,

(35:35):
and then you take the ginger ninja all that soy
syrup that I was talking talking you through, which is
fifty fifty sugar. But the ginger ninjas a ginger and
lime syrup that we made or actually came from Logan
Brown years ago. I used to when I was part
of that restaurant. So it's in a bottle now, but
it's pretty good with well, it's amazing raw fish. So

(35:57):
you drizzle drizzle a little bit of that on and
then then a little bit of chop basil or a
bit of chopped coriander, and and you're good to go.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Oh, how good that sounds?

Speaker 14 (36:06):
Fit so easy?

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah, yeah, so delicious.

Speaker 14 (36:09):
Yeah, we used to call it.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
It came by.

Speaker 14 (36:12):
We were away camping and had some fish. We didn't
have many ingredients, and but there was a local four square,
so we went down there and I went, oh, there's
some coopy this with say peas, there's some soy, there's
some sugar. So we call it that. We call it
the four Square foraging dish. But it's highly effective.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
It sounds so good, so fresh. It's like you've just
you've just highlighted all of those kind of fresh components
in today. So well, we'll make sure it's up and
available on the news talks. He'd be website. You go
and put your feet up, get in front of the fire,
rest up, and we're glad to hear that things are
on the improve. After the couple and.

Speaker 14 (36:52):
Go the warriors and go the A B's and then
have a terrific week end. Everybody, thanks for having me
on Jack so much.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
I always appreciated El Brown with us this morning, and
Ol has very kindly got six bottles of his Ginger
Ninja syrup to give away. So the first six people
to text in where the name and address or when
a bottle will make sure we get that out to
you seven to ten on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
powered by Newstalks EDB. Sweet Ass Listening for your Saturday
Saturday Morning with Jack Days on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
So March Sarah and Depity Jack. Good Morning. I'm a
registered nurse. I was mentoring a student nurse and she
said to me, hey, your style of reaching is great.
It actually reminds me of this other nurse whom I
worked with in a different part of the country. She
named the other nurse and I was stun to learn
it was my sister Jack. While staying with my Welsh
relatives in a small village in South Wales, a dear

(37:48):
old friend of theirs dropped by their friend happened to
have a daughter living in New Zealand. He happened to say, oh,
you might have met her year right, I thought, long
story short, Unbelievably, Yes, I had met her staying with
friends in almal Quarter. Such a small world, honestly, I
feel like that happens regularly. A you go overseas and
someone's like, oh, you're from New Zealand. Yeah, and they're
like you must know Barry and you're like, come on,

(38:08):
don't be ridiculous. We're a country of five million people.
And then you're like, oh, no, I actually do know
Barry Jack. I was in parenting class for pe at
high school in the late nineteen eighties. I'm pretty sure
it was designed to scare us off having kids. Anyway,
a teacher for us who was on leave decided to
bring in their young child for us to hold. Flash

(38:29):
forward forty odd years. I'm listening to a certain Jack
talk about the joys of having a young child. Say
hi to your mum from a former student. So what
you're saying is that you're MESSI and I'm Lamina marl.
Is that how this situation works? So good? Thank you
love that ninety two ninety two. If you've got good examples.
After ten o'clock this morning, we've got your screen time,

(38:50):
picked shows to watch your stream from the comfort of
your couch, plus our feature interview. She's back in New Zealand.
She's had some serious life stuff go down lately, but
she's got brand new music to digest it all. Jin
Wegmore her brand new album, Beautiful Mess us us next
on Newstalk ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Your weekend starts right here Saturday morning with Jack Team
on news Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
New Zealand music icon Jin Wigmore has just released Beautiful Mess,
a double sided album exploring the duality of beauty and chaos.
It's her first new album in eight years, and it
captures the contrast of life's highs and lows and chronicles
the deepest moments of the last decade or so, navigating love, lost, divorce, motherhood,
and the complexities of rebuilding a wonderful human one of

(39:56):
life's great characters. Welcome to the studio, Jin Wigmore.

Speaker 12 (40:02):
I had the handmt going right there.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
I was. I was trying to remind myself how close
to get to this is professional? Okay? Sorry, yes, yes, yes,
it's probably something that totally unfamiliar with I know. Welcome
back to New Zealand. First of all, thank you so much.
Welcome back to the world where you are promoting a
brand new album. Yeah, how's well.

Speaker 12 (40:21):
Oh my gosh, it's so good.

Speaker 16 (40:23):
I feel so happy to have this out and be
ready to be experienced by other people.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Beautiful mess, Yeah, beautiful miss what's the mess?

Speaker 12 (40:32):
Oh my god? The mess?

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Should I carve out half an hour? Do I need
to go and right right now and say we're not
going there?

Speaker 12 (40:38):
Yeah, exactly, we do. No, no, no, no, no, no. Miss
It's because life is missy ife, just missy. It's it's
not all.

Speaker 16 (40:45):
You know, roses and apple blossoms. It's just not And
to tell the full picture of anyone's story, there's going
to be beautiful parts, there's going to be missy parts.
It's going to be heartache, loss, love all and the
last few years have been particularly missy.

Speaker 12 (41:02):
Anyone going through a separation and a divorce would know
all about it.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (41:08):
So yeah, that was the messiest part for sure.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
It does feel like you've kind of I don't know,
because I haven't been through that kind of major life event,
but it feels like you have responded really proactively by
being like, I'm going to be creating, I'm going to
be doing lots of positive things in the world in
order to try and you know, to whatever it is,
regain the momentum that might have been lost or something.

Speaker 16 (41:30):
Well, I think you've got to sit in it. What
I learned, and what was actually quite a powerful tool
is just sitting at it and confronting that it's really
hard and it's really bad and it really sucks, you know.
And I think once you actually look at something in
the eyes, you know, you kind of it's less scary,
you're not so afraid of it, and then you sort

(41:52):
of just you come out of it, and then you
can actually channel it into something and.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Your silver learning is that what you've done here?

Speaker 12 (41:58):
Yeah? Yeah, in lots of ways.

Speaker 16 (42:00):
I mean, I think it was a lot of beautiful
mess is around that initial thought of oh my gosh,
I'm not happy, I'm lonely, and I want to leave.
And that's a really terrifying thought to come into your
brain space, because it's like, once you have that thought
and you say it out loud.

Speaker 12 (42:18):
It's almost like you've manifested it.

Speaker 16 (42:20):
The writing's on the wall, you know, so, and you're
kind of trying to push it down, push that thought away,
and then it just bubbles out and then the.

Speaker 12 (42:28):
Music becomes like a purge.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
You know, you're just like interesting because I reckon loneliness
is maybe it's not underrated feeling, but as I say,
it's like among the absolute worst feelings.

Speaker 12 (42:39):
Oh, it's horrible.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
It's just the worst thing. And if you are, like,
if you're in a situation like that and realizing how
lonely you kind of feel and isolated, you feel, my God.

Speaker 16 (42:49):
And loneliness in a marriage like loneliness when you're in
a relationship. Loneliness when you're single is a different kind
of loneliness. You can do kind of something about it.
There's this feeling of being trapped when you're in this
part that you've got to go through so many steps
to get out of being lonely, and that person that
you're with is sort of part of the reason you're

(43:10):
so lonely. It's so sad. It's such a sad feeling.
It's very sad feeling.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
So did you kind of did you? Did you having
kind of manifested this and realized this is how you're feeling,
did you? Did you weigh up different directions?

Speaker 10 (43:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (43:26):
Right, Yeah, you weigh up different directions and you kind
of like daydream almost about like what your life could
have been if you've done things differently, if you've picked
a different partner, if you like all of these things.
And that's where, you know, starting the album out with
Country Diamond and going into ol Street, I really had
to go back to my little child and go, what
if I'd thought differently? What if I'd chosen differently, What

(43:47):
if I'd taken a different street, what if I had
different different place to you know, live in all of
these things?

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Was it a positive thing to do?

Speaker 10 (43:55):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 12 (43:56):
I like I.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Sometimes I think about some of the mistakes I've made
in my life and I just think like or just
some things that I would do differently. And it's easy
to like just get yourself into.

Speaker 12 (44:06):
Oh yeah, oh yeah totally.

Speaker 16 (44:08):
But there's something I quite like going to those places,
mainly because I think that is part of storytelling and
being a musician.

Speaker 12 (44:15):
You kind of you're a.

Speaker 16 (44:17):
Glutton for punishment, you know, like living in those really
dark thoughts and spaces provides a lot of material.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Because that's the kind of artistic cliche, you know, like
the tortured artist, like.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
The art.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
But if it's kind of true.

Speaker 12 (44:31):
Oh absolutely.

Speaker 16 (44:32):
I mean I think it's not you're not inviting pain,
but everyone has pain, and that's how much you let
it in and how much you actually stare it in
the face. And I think a lot of the times
people think that it's you know, you just bury it
and get on with it, but it's never actually buried.
I like, sorry, it's never actually goes away. I mean,
especially grief and things like that and loss.

Speaker 12 (44:52):
I mean, you.

Speaker 16 (44:52):
Really, it will come. It will come back to haunt
you in some capacity, whether it's in the next relationship
you have or something. So you kind of need to
really like stand in your power and confront it and
then you can really put it to be.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Is you know so country diamond rodeo? Yes, I'm getting
a country vibe. Yes, I mean you can see that.
I'm a really like deep analyst here. But like, are
you is this You've.

Speaker 12 (45:17):
Just backed out two of the most country living title.

Speaker 16 (45:20):
I mean they are very country living titles that have
to be seeing you really did your homework on this.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
But is it I mean, is it like because country
music has kind of gone through a bit of a thing,
and you've always had a kind of country edge, but
is that like, have you leaned in heavily? Is that
like a deliberate kind of No.

Speaker 12 (45:36):
I think no. I think I'm always I've always been
drawn to country.

Speaker 16 (45:40):
I've spent a lot of time in Nashville and things,
but a lot of time in the States, which is
big on country out there.

Speaker 12 (45:46):
But I actually like country music for the storytelling.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
I really like, you know, very story It's very story
centric more than any other music.

Speaker 12 (45:54):
Totally totally.

Speaker 16 (45:56):
And it's like, especially if you're looking back at like
Tammy Wyett and things like that, she was such a
badass and like what she was talking about at that
point of time, which was just such a no no
for women, But you can dress it up in a
story and experience. It might just be a snapshot of
the night, like she doesn't want a man to come
home drinking or drink but whatever it might be. But
it's sort of like the front of mine thoughts. That

(46:18):
was very much this album. It was these little snapshot
thoughts of like, oh, I'm feeling like this, I'm going
to die on this porch. I'm going to like if
you don't love me or you don't need me anymore.
That's one of the songs on the album, and it's
it's just the sort of one moment thought that you
wrap up into a song, which is quite a country
sort of way to write.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Yeah, you're forty, Oh my god?

Speaker 12 (46:40):
Can we can we not say that loud?

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Shame?

Speaker 12 (46:45):
You see him with the same age.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
I'm thirty nine. Only one of us in the studio
is closer to their twentieth birthday than their six years Yeah,
sixtieth birthday. I hate to bring it to you.

Speaker 12 (47:05):
I'm really you broke it down.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Like that harder by sincerely thinking that I was forty two.

Speaker 12 (47:11):
Oh my god, No, she think you look like you're twelve.
But yeah, dig.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Yourself out of that hole. Dig yourself out of it.

Speaker 12 (47:19):
You're forty. What a weird time, hey.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
I mean it is kind of weird, especially because that
means you've been like.

Speaker 12 (47:26):
Making music decades. People talking dicads.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
People talking decads, and people observe that you've been creating
music now for more than half your life.

Speaker 12 (47:32):
Oh my gosh. So that's kind of a cool flex.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
There's actually a very cool flex I feel like with
you know, like there's you you know your craft by
the stage. There's a kind of wisdom that maybe that
maybe comes to them. That's all right, You're not like
make Jack, it's like I did.

Speaker 12 (47:46):
It sounds like I'm definitely fucking out my copa.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
But do you aside from the aside from the big
life change that is the divorce, do you find that
being a mum and being at this stage of life, like,
is it giving you a different kind of perspective on
your art that wasn't there in your, say, early twenties,
And do you go back and reflect on the stuff
that you made in your early twenties in this stage
of life and does it have a different kind of

(48:09):
does it Does it give you a different perspective?

Speaker 12 (48:11):
Definitely?

Speaker 16 (48:12):
I mean I think you become the older that you get,
which is a cool part of getting old is that
you just you step into yourself so much more, Like
you don't worry about some of the things that I
was concerned with when I was in my twenties, like
vanity and what I look like on camera. It's all
about like getting to the root of things and being

(48:32):
on it more honest with yourself. And I don't know
if that's a sort of side effect of being a parent,
because you're trying to role model what it is to
be a good quality of human and that's honesty and
leading with you know, like integrity and all of these
sort of things that you then seep into the way
you write and the way you carry yourself through your art,

(48:54):
which I think is only a bonus to be honest,
it also keeps it really interesting. I'm always looking for
ways to, you know, challenge myself and feel more alive
and feel like I haven't done. You've done so many
things at this point in life, so you're kind of
running out of things to be a first. You know,
you've done most of your firsts, so I think.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Like joining the PTA, Yeah.

Speaker 16 (49:19):
I know, but it's stuff like that, like that stuff
things you need to keep seeking out.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Especially for me.

Speaker 16 (49:25):
I'm a bit of adrenaline junkie, Yeah, a little bit,
just a coach, So I like testing the boundaries and
I think that's something I keep doing. And going more
and more raw and vulnerable is exciting.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Speaking of new I tried to go to Wigmore Delhi.

Speaker 12 (49:44):
Yeah, well you one day, we're close.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
If I know, you look at the hours open very
like it's not open. But to give us the for
people who haven't heard of it, give us that give
us the pitch. And then and then why from what
I've read, hospitality is a business.

Speaker 12 (50:07):
Oh no, it's a great business.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
You're like, you know what, Entertainment wasn't tough enough. Making
music wasn't tough enough. I want to get into a safe.

Speaker 12 (50:16):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (50:17):
Weig Moore Dela located at five or seven New North
Road in Kingston. Yeah. Yeah, it's really cool. It's actually
I wanted to have.

Speaker 16 (50:25):
I wanted to be really busy when I moved back
from LA because I needed to make sure I still
had that pace. You've got this real and built ingrained
pace when you live in Los Angeles.

Speaker 12 (50:34):
I mean we you came out. I know you saw me.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Do you know I came to your house. Sorry, this
is a side and supposed to be about you, not
about me.

Speaker 12 (50:41):
But let's speak about you.

Speaker 6 (50:43):
No.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
I remember being at your house and I remember doing
an interview with Mike Hosking. Yeah, and it was the
day after Donald Trump announced that he was going to
first run for president. It was twenty sixteen. I remember
where I was standing in your backyard when I was
interviewed by Mike Hosking, and Mike Hosking said to me,
what do you think? And I was like, he doesn't
have a charge, he doesn't have a hope in hell. Now, like, well,

(51:05):
you know, at least I was wrong.

Speaker 16 (51:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, Wow, I know that was fun.
A we were wrapping around the canyons or the dogs
the truck I had. Yeah, we got the dogs on
the bed.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
That was definitely not like a It wasn't like it
felt like you would be burning quite a lot of
fuel if you had that truck in New Zealand. That
would not be an eco option.

Speaker 12 (51:25):
That it would not be I would change the di
visiual world. Apparently people do that.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Does that work?

Speaker 12 (51:30):
Apparently it does.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
I feel like I need to research that I would
need to do as well.

Speaker 16 (51:35):
Yeah, so anyway we digress. Yeah, so the Delhi is
really cool. It's like I want to have this compound.
I wanted to create a compound where I had everything
there and I had this I met this really cool dude,
Aiden Williams, and I was just he's a young cat
and he's got the fire, and we just wanted to
do something together.

Speaker 12 (51:55):
And so the.

Speaker 16 (51:57):
Idea was to sort of create like a wine barrow
local hang type of thing.

Speaker 12 (52:02):
There's a lot of paperwork in a wine.

Speaker 13 (52:03):
But a lot.

Speaker 16 (52:04):
I'm not used to so many rules. I'll be living
out in America, where anything goes. And so yeah, we
sort of we changed it into morphed it into a
deli and sort of a place where and we asked
the neighborhood. We kind of gathered the thoughts of the
neighborhood and what was missing, and Kingson's a very community based,
local sort of spot, so we didn't want to We

(52:25):
wanted to just sort of be at one with the neighborhood.
And I felt like fresh made to order sandwiches was
what we were missing, and just.

Speaker 12 (52:32):
A place where you could be.

Speaker 16 (52:33):
It honestly feels like a couple of kids running a spot,
like a little bit of their Empire Records type vibe.

Speaker 12 (52:39):
You know that we play loud music, We play all
kinds of music.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
It's a little bit anarchic, but it's it is the
community it is.

Speaker 16 (52:46):
And like currently, the whole windows just been graffited by Hazer,
who really amazing graffiti artists on purpose, on purpose. Yeah yeah, yeah,
it's been tagged out with all the beautiful miss stuff.
So the cool thing is we can be super reactive
in there. A sandwich isn't working, we cut it and
we change it up the next day. We don't worry
about what people get drawn to. It's always evolving. Nothing

(53:08):
is permanent.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Amazing, it's really cool. It's so good. Yeah, well, I
promise I'm going to come on a Tuesday.

Speaker 12 (53:14):
Come on a Tuesday or Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Sunday, the other day, the day I visited. Yeah, okay, Look,
it is so good to have you back in New Zealand.
So good to see you in such a good place.
Congratulations on Beautiful Mess and we cannot wait for you
to be touring this left, right and center and socks off.

Speaker 12 (53:30):
Ah, thanks mate.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Jen Wigmore. The brand new album is Beautiful Mess. So
good to have her back in New Zealand and making
new music. Before eleven o'clock this morning, we're going to
catch up with our personal finance expert who has this
fascinating study to share with us.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
So, the study has looked at the top performing funds
in New Zealand. Right so, I think, like your key
we savior funds are your investment funds. And then it's
gone and it has worked out. What would happen if
every year you change your fund to the previous year's
top performing fund, right, and it's worked out exactly what

(54:07):
would happen with your finances. So he's going to share
share that with us very shortly. Next up, though, it'll
be time for your screen time picks for the weekend,
including a brand new show, The Hawk, that our screen
time expert is going to tell us all about twenty
two minutes past ten on newstorgs edb.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
The best way to start your weekend Saturday Morning with
Jack Team on newsborg.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Zedby twenty four past ten on newstalks 'b Are glad
you guys loved JOm Wig more as much as I
did Jack loving this interview. Join is such an amazing
breath of fresh air. Just what we need, is Kathy
and napier Jack. Is this the most coolest, most relaxed,
most chilled out woman you've ever interviewed? She's fantastic, sys
muzz she is indeed, Hey, thanks for your feedback. We've
had so many messages this morning for like the serendipitous

(54:51):
and coincidental little dird dirr dor doo moments in your life.
So I'm trying to share some of the best ones
with you this morning, Jack. I was traveling through Dublin
with my husband because my husband wanted to find his
mum's old family home. Were given many misdirections, but we
eventually found the home and we decided to celebrate we

(55:11):
would go to the Guinness Factory to have a jar,
as you do. The bar lady in the Guinness factory said, oh,
what are you doing in Dublin and we explained, Oh,
we're here to see my husband's old mum's mum's old
family home. She said, ah, right, well I could have
told you where that is. Your mum and my mum.
We're best friends and we live right next door. I

(55:35):
got heap to them, so I'll share those with you
in a couple of minutes. If you've got any good examples,
by all means, text them through ninety two. Ninety two
is the text number. This morning. Time to catch up
with Carl Pushman for this week's screen Time Picks Cutter.
Carl Jack Clue. We have two shows this morning. The
first one is streaming on Netflix starring one of my
all time favorites, Will Ferrell, So tell us about the Hawk.

Speaker 17 (55:56):
Yes, the Genteel game of golf once again finds itself
at the heart of another sports comedy, Will Ferrell ruining
a nice walk as a washed up pro golfer teeing
up for one shot at glory like yourself, Jack. I
was really hyped for this. I've been rooting for Will
Ferrell to make his comeback. He hasn't had a comedy
hit for a little while now. He's been putting stuff

(56:18):
out but they haven't quite landed. And I thought this
had all the ingredients to to really bring him back.
Oh how do we put this?

Speaker 7 (56:29):
Maybe?

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Maybe that's all I need to say is.

Speaker 17 (56:32):
It's he plays Loney Hawkins, the washed up pro golfer,
and it's a little bit of imitating life. It's sad
to say. Loney Hawkins feels like a bit of a
mash up of his previous characters but doesn't quite get
his own personality. He's that, you know, the the fool
who's full of bravado and arrogant. But yeah, there's not

(56:54):
much more to him than that. Where you know, Ron
Bergundy and Command the Classic had that charisma about him,
and Loney Hawkins just does doesn't quite land. He sort
of seems more like I said, a mash up or
a collage of Will Ferrell's greatest hits rather than his
own identifiable character. You know, golf is such a favored

(57:15):
target for comedy because its reputation is sort of stuffy
and old fashioned, and you can populate it with all
sorts of characters, you know, the states back to Ronnie
Dangerfil and Bill Murray's classic Caddy Shack, which really popularized
that snobs versus slobs genre archetype. Then Adam Sandler's Happy Gilmore,
of course, and more recently Owen Wilson and Mark Maron's

(57:36):
dramedy Stick and the Hawk borrows from all three of those,
which is quite interesting, so has the Will Farrell broad comedy.
And then a little bit of drama seeps in as
his son is also competing in the pro tour, so
you get sort of father dad rivalry into redemption story there.
And yeah, all the stuff's there, but it just doesn't

(57:57):
quite land. It's just too stuck in the two thousands. Yeah,
he leans on his old mannerisms instead of bringing something new.
In the pop culture references are was like two thousand
and five's Right and Dirty, which gets like an gated
dance sequence so, but you know that said, he has
a single a hot shot cast around him, Molly Shannon
as his foul mouthed ex wife, Ohen Wilson gets an

(58:19):
on the golfing action like his brother and from Stick
as the Hawk's main rival. And you know, even even
Wilf Farrell on a bad day can still be funny.
And there are some chuckles to be had throughout. It
just wasn't the hole in one I was hoping for.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Yeah, I just think when they hit, they hit so hard, yes,
but when they miss, they sort of miss equally hard,
don't you think? And I mean I I do love
with Farrell. I mean he could do anything now and
I still would be interested in giving it a crank.
But yeah, when it doesn't quite land, it's just a
bit of a bit of ateresting.

Speaker 17 (58:52):
The interesting thing here is like it was definitely landing
in the rough more often than the green, that's for sure.
But I kept clicking next episode, and it's just kept
on kept on rolling with it because there are you know,
each episode, you know Will Ferrell he is going to
to get it in the hole. Yeah, every now and then,
and there are definitely funny chuckles to be had in

(59:13):
the show, So I think if you're a Ferral fan,
it's definitely worth a shot. Just don't expect him to
be back.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Yeah yeah, yeah. Okay, So that's the Hawk that's on Netflix.
Next up on Apple tv plus, tell us about Lucky Well.

Speaker 17 (59:27):
This is a glossy, star driven crime thriller about a
young conn artist forced to go on the run after
a multimillion dollar highs goes wrong. They she double Lucky
as the main character. She double crosses the crime boss,
then she herself is double crossed by her partner and
crime boyfriend, who takes off with all the money, and
she sort of wakes up in the casino sweet that
they were staying and by herself no money and with

(59:50):
the crime bosses goons storming into the place and the
FBI swarming in. So the first episode is largely set
in that casino, with her desperately trying to escape, and
that sort of sets the tone for the series, which
is very much a cat and mouse thriller. She's CONTs
Lucky as constantly in these inter scalable situations, scraping out
of them, and the fun is really seeing how she

(01:00:11):
does get out of them, which sort of stretches believability
close to breaking point because there are so many improbable
coincidences or strokes of luck or just things that happen
that gets her out of these jams. You know, she's
constantly getting out of the frying pan then landing just
in another frying pan where the fires beneath. All that,
but it's just done so well that you go with it.

(01:00:33):
You know, it's the Apple TV plus premium drama here
so or premium show. So there's explosions, there's chases, there's
big budget, there's her cunning. It's extremely those well timed
coincidences to get her out of the jam. So it
gets the you know, it keeps you invested in, gets
the heart rate pumping, has the net titans. It stars
on your Taylor Joy as the lead character Lucky, and

(01:00:57):
she really is a compelling action performance, but the real
star is screen legend and Nette Benning, and she plays
the crime boss hunting like he's trying to get her money,
which of course Lucky doesn't have because of the double crossing,
et cetera. So you know, it's a really fun show.
It does try to get depth in there with the
sort of family drama Lucky and her jailed con man

(01:01:18):
father have a bit of a difficult relationship that kind
of gets in the way of the escaping and the
thrills and the heights. In my opinion, that's why I
like to see is all that running around and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's a great word for it, because it does get
it does start to feel a little bit silly, like
even though her name is Lucky, the amount of luck

(01:01:39):
this person has is incredible. Yeah yeah, but it some
of becomes part of the part of the fun, you know, So.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, all right. So that's Lucky. That's
on Apple TV plus The Hawk. The one with Will
Ferrell is on Netflix. You can hear more from Karl
on his sub stack. Of course. It is screen crack.
And it's just after ten.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Thirty Saturday Morning with Jack Tame Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News talks'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack team on News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Edb as Painted Town Green. I'm not sure we wanted

(01:02:36):
it too much to that today, but then right, hey,
thanks for me messages. Gosh, we've had so many great
examples this morning of serendipity and coincidence. This doesn't quite fit,
but it's still a good story. So I thought I
was here at Jack serendipity. I had two proposals from
two different men within twenty four hours in the same hotel.
I mean, that's wow. One was an ex boyfriend, one

(01:02:56):
was a current boyfriend. I can report that I'm happily
married twenty eight years later. I presume that means you
made the right choice, and I presuming you went with
the current boyfriend. Although maybe not, maybe not, we don't know.
It's all right. That is a that is yeah, a
pretty wild, wild little week you had there, Jack. I
was the only New Zealander traveling on an overland truck

(01:03:19):
in the early nineteen eighties. I was born in Carterton
in the Wided Upper and the truck was following a
path through the desert in the north of Sudan. We
suddenly noticed a couple way ahead of us traveling on bikes.
They had backpacks and most excitedly for me. As the
truck pulled up, we excitedly saw they had New Zealand

(01:03:39):
flag badges on each of their backpacks. We caught up
to them and asked where they were from, and they said,
we're from a space called Carterton and the Whited Upper
in New Zealand. Jack. Some years ago, I was teaching
on exchange near the ski resort Veil in the Rocky
Mountains in Colorado. Towards the end of the ski season,
the ski company gives out lessons to the school students

(01:04:01):
that I was working in. I was lucky enough to
be asked to go on as a supervising teacher. When
I took my group into the gear room to get
fitted for ski gear, I heard a Kiwi accent. It
was the first New Zealand accent I'd heard in months.
So I turned and spoke to the guy, who explained
he was a ski instructor taking another group. I asked
where he was from. He said a little town that
I probably hadn't heard of, a place called Wayuku. I said, Wyuku, No, Way,

(01:04:24):
That's where I'm from. He turned to me and said,
hang on, I know you. You used to be my teacher.
I taught him as a five year old when he
started school. Now we were both working together as ski
stra instructors in Veil. Yeah, that's amazing. Twenty three to
eleven on the news talks be I'll get to more
of his stories very shortly. Our textpert in next with
a big development in AI. But would you yet be
comfortable trusting your passwords to the technology.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Feelers focused informed. It's the Mike Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 18 (01:04:53):
Gareth Kenan is the Infimetric's chief forecaster cashwat at two
and a half, you see three and a half, So
that's four ish increases that happens what between now in
the middle of the year.

Speaker 19 (01:05:02):
Yeah, and financial markets are reasonably consistent in terms of
that expectation, and then we've got two more penciled in
through twenty twenty seven. Look, I guess for us it's
a case of tapping the brake on the economy a
little bit by the time were getting to that two
point seven percent growth, And that's quite a different scenario
than we were looking at before, where we thought, well,
the OICR may need to get to four and a
half just to try and bring the car back under
control because we've been hit by an old man with

(01:05:23):
a fake tan in the bazoukery. Doesn't really look where
it's going back.

Speaker 18 (01:05:26):
Monday from six am The Mic Hosking Breakfast with Defender
Trophy News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Tween to eleven on News Talk ZEDB. Your AI agent
can now use your passwords securely? Would you trust it?
Paul Stenhouse is our text, but he's got the details.

Speaker 20 (01:05:43):
Get O for I know it's tricky, isn't it, Because
if they have your password, they have access to a
lot of things and a lot of services. Don't know
the difference between an AI agent of Jack and Jack
TAM do they?

Speaker 21 (01:05:57):
So I don't know how that works with all of
the liability.

Speaker 20 (01:06:00):
Like you know, if Jack team's agent accidentally sends the
boss an email, it comes from jactat's actual email address,
so you do to be very careful about that stuff.
But no, look, people are certainly starting to get agents
to do more and more for them, and with that
means they need access, and so you want to make
sure you're doing it securely. And one password, and we've

(01:06:22):
talked a lot about one password. I think we've both
beg one password fans. One password has a new plugin
that allows clawd to basically get access to your account,
but only for only for the ability to do the
task that you've asked it to do. And they've done
some really kind of sticky little things there, like they

(01:06:42):
they check even after they've done the autofill thing with
the with the agent, that it hasn't saved any of
it anywhere. So they are actually trying to check. But
ultimately in the end it is passing. It is passing
the password from one password over to the agent, but
it never goes anywhere near it's memory, right, It just
stays in its transaction. Yeah, well okay, yeah, so it's

(01:07:04):
it's it's doing some nice stuff. And look, they've got
a big problem to solve those guys, because you know,
it's only going to become more and more prevalent that
we're going to want to share access with these agents,
and we're going to want to make sure that past
word doesn't end up in the wrong person's hands or
the wrong agent's hands, a bad agent.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
True. Okay, Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, it's kind of
an inevitable a that that each of these kind of
programs and things are slowly going to give access to
these AI agents as they become more reliable. Hey, you've
got a bit of an update for us. I feel
like you could change this most weeks when it comes
to the most valuable company in the world.

Speaker 20 (01:07:36):
Wow, it's interesting, isn't it. It hasn't actually officially changed because
so yes, So in Vidia is the world's most valuable
company today. Their years took a little bit of a tumble.
Apple's didn't take quite as much of a tumble. So
Apple overtook in VideA for just part of the day

(01:07:56):
to become the world's most valuable company.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Idiot maker, So they make the maker.

Speaker 20 (01:08:02):
Yeah, yeah, they make the AI chips, but they came
up on the inside Jack towards the clothes and overtook
Apple again. So they are still now the world's most
valuable company. Okache again pretty number two?

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think either of them are moaning
too much. Thanks for that's our Texsbert Paul Stenhouse with
us this morning. Our personal finance expert is in in
a couple of minutes at seventeen to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Well, you're heading out to start your Saturday turn off
Jack Saturday Morning with Jack team on news Talk Zedby.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
It's a classic mistake and investing, whether it's with your
Kiwi Saver, whether it's another whether it's with another managed
fund you've got keywis will often look at whatever went
up in value last year and think, oh, that is
the fund I should be going with. But Ed mcnin
our personal finance expert from Opie's Partners, is with us
this morning with a cautionary tail about trying to chase winners. Hey, Ed,

(01:08:58):
good morning Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
It's great to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Yeah, nice to be chatting with you. So run us
through this recent study. It's absolutely fascinating.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:09:05):
Well, as you know, my wife is a financial advisor
and she's much smarter than me, so you can imagine
what we talk about around the dining room table. So
the other day she says, come look at this grafh love,
come come every we squisite this and I say to her, Angela,
explain it to me. So there's this wonderful New Zealand
company called Concilium, and they did a piece of analysis
that looked at what would happen if every single year

(01:09:28):
since twenty eleven, every year you sat down and you said, okay,
which managed fund provider got the highest return last year?
And let's say it might have been Milford. Okay, I'm
going to switch my fund across to Milford. Then a
year later you sit there and say, okay, well who
got the best return last year. Oh oh, okay, it
wasn't Milford this time it was Fisher Funds. Okay, I'm

(01:09:50):
going to switch to Fisher Funds. And then you keep
doing that here after year until today, so about sixteen
odd years. And they looked at how much money you
would have made if you did that, and then they said, well,
what if you did the exact opposite. What if every
year you sat down and you switched back, or you
switched to the fund that had the lowest return. And

(01:10:12):
what they found is that if you switched to the
fund manager with the lowest return each year, you made
slightly more money than if you switched to the winner.
And I've got even better. Even if every single year
you just picked a random one, just close your eyes

(01:10:33):
while you're on the Sordid fund website and you just
pick a random one each year, you didn't actually make
that much less money than if you'd just chosen the
best or the worst. So what I'm trying to get
across here is that just because of fund has a
really good return one year, and the fund managers, they
love to advertise their returns. I was walking through the

(01:10:54):
airport the other day I saw ASB advertising their returns.
The fact that a fund manager got a good return
last year or over the last three years tells you
absolutely nothing about the return that you might get over
the next three years as well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Yeah, that's so interesting, isn't it. I love that the
ones that performed worst last year did slightly better than
the ones that performed best. So what should you be
considering if you are thinking about trying to find the
right fund or thinking about changing funds, you'd be looking
at things like fees, right.

Speaker 22 (01:11:31):
Well, fees is a very important one. The first thing
you'd want to think about is are you going to
go for an active fund where you've got really smart
analysts there trying to beat the market, or are you
looking for a lower cost index fund where they are
just going to follow the market and buy whatever is
in the market. For instance, you might have an S

(01:11:53):
and P track of fund. Now, people have different views
on this. Over the long term, in the States, the
index funds have tended to provide higher returns than those
that are actively managed because if you've got a what's
called a low cost track of fund, then the fees
are going to be substantially lower, and so that's where
you get that additional margin, and typically what we've seen overseas.

(01:12:16):
My understanding is it's a little bit different in New Zealand,
but certainly overseas, what we've found is that active managers, Yep,
they might win for a couple of years, but then
for some of the other years they don't do as
well either, And so looking at fees as very important.
I think the other thing that you've got to consider
and sort It has actually got a really good website
for this is what sort of fund are you actually

(01:12:37):
going to go for?

Speaker 21 (01:12:38):
Now?

Speaker 22 (01:12:38):
A lot of keywis will know, well, there are aggressive funds,
we've got growth funds, we've got balanced funds. But what
you need to do is just scratch the surface a
little because on Sortid's website you can see, well, of
a growth fund, what percentage of their assets are actually
in growth versus income. I'll give you an example, Jack,
because I looked at this literally the other week. There

(01:12:59):
are some growth funds in New Zealand that call themselves
growth funds, and they've got sixty seven percent of their
assets and growth assets, so that it'd be stocks and
equities and those kinds of things. If you look at
a balanced fund and you say, well, which ones have
the most growth assets? The balanced funds with the highest
amount of growth assets was about sixty four percent. Right,

(01:13:22):
Oh wow, it's pretty con My point here is that
a growth fund is not a growth fund.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
They're not all the same.

Speaker 22 (01:13:29):
Some are going to be much more aggressive than others.
And what you want to do is look at, well,
what's the percentage of growth assets in there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Yeah, that's so interesting. That's a really good way of
doing it. Thank you very much, appreciate your time and
expertise is always in McKnight from OPI's partners with us
this morning. In a couple of minutes, we are in
the garden. Rude has some very useful advice if your
place is being overtaken by Nostock aka Gorilla Snot.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,
part by News Talks.

Speaker 14 (01:14:04):
That'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Thing with still sharp winter dollars off selected still tools.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Gorilla Snot. It's a hell of a name. It's a
hell of a problem too for anyone who's got in
a near back yard, because you pour a bit of
round up on it and it does not go away.
Rude climb past as our men in the garden. He's
here with us this morning and he's got a few
tips on controlling gorilla snot at your place. It's called nostoc, right.

Speaker 11 (01:14:30):
It is called nostoc Isn't it a lovely word, a
lovely name. It reminds me of Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
It's lovely, Yes, it does. It sounds like a yes exactly.
Some former Soviet agents has put it in the tip
of a sharp umbrella. And yeah, anyway.

Speaker 11 (01:14:50):
Yeah, gerrilla snot I like that, or star jelly it's
another one, and which is butter?

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
Yeah? Which?

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
But yeah, yeah, it's not nice.

Speaker 11 (01:15:03):
Have you have you ever seen it?

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
I don't know that.

Speaker 11 (01:15:05):
You've got to be unlucky. You've got to be unlucky
to have it in your garden. But in Northland it's
quite common as well around here in the south. And
it's one of those things that is if you like
like a blue green elgaeus no bacteria. Yeah, and it's slippery,
it's dangerous if you drive your car up when it's

(01:15:27):
when it's going on your on your driveway, you could
you could have all sorts of troubles there. Yeah, it's
nasty stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
So what do you do about it?

Speaker 11 (01:15:36):
Well, that's the last the last thing that I said.
A good question. Let's know if we hear any success
stories from from people that listen to the radio. But
there are a couple of things that that can be done.
Like some people talk about benzol conium chloride and things
like that. That may be the answer. Some people say,

(01:15:58):
yes it is. But here you go. What it looks like.
Let me first describe it if we got a minute.
It's that blue greenish type stuff. At this time of
the year, especially when it's wet, it goes up to
about two or three inches high, and this is slippery
as hell. When it dries up, it is as hard
as heck. You know, you can't You have to kick

(01:16:21):
it with your feet to get but that it doesn't matter.
It just keeps on growing. It just keeps on going
for a next one. So that is the problem. And
people say, as you said before, copper sulfate and sodium hypoglorate,
you know, are they effective. Well, some people say yes,
other people say I don't think so. You know, this
stuff occurs in the dry valleys of Antarctica, Are you serious?

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Wow? Yeah, which are basically closest landscape to miles on
Earth right.

Speaker 11 (01:16:52):
Exactly impressive range of climatological conditions if you think about it,
and so you can try what you like. But if
you can stand antarctica, boy, your garden is down to SOMERB.
And that is basically what this was about.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
What did we do?

Speaker 11 (01:17:11):
A colleague once did some experimental showing that it could
be losing more than seventy percent of its weight in
water before cell metabolism was affected. It just that sort
of stuff. Yeah, so we actually we actually don't know chloroplasts,
fixed nitrogen whatever, nasty stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:17:30):
So this is why if you if there's any people
that knows what to do, I'd love to know, because
there's a lot of people looking forward to that, especially
at this time of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Yeah. I suppose it doesn't burn. Not that I'm suggesting
you burn things seriously, but because so because it's so liquid, right,
it's not the sort of thing you can just Yeah, Okay,
thanks Road, We'll see what we can find out. See
ivenone's got some good suggestions for getting rid of your
rocksnot by all means, two is the number. Thanks Road.

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We'll make sure we've got some photos up on the
Newstalks the website as well, so you can compare it
if you think you've got it at your place. News
Talk dot co dot zed Ford's last Jack. There's the
easy way to get everything from our show. We put
all the good stuff up there. L Brown's little tashimi
number who are looking to do? Is what do you
call it? A four square forage sashimi? That's up on

(01:18:21):
the website right now. We got our movie picks, our
screen time picks as well. After eleven o'clock on news
Talk zedb our Travel Correspondence taking us to the Rocky Mountains.
Plus we're gonna have a listen to Jin Wigmore's Beautiful Mess.
News is next. It's almost eleven. Give a Jack Tame
on newstorg.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Zb where the weekend finds its rhythm. Saturday Morning with
jackdam on News Talks edb.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
More in a good morning, Welcome to Newstalks eDV. If
you're just turning us on this morning, it is so
good to have you turning us on. Tould be careful
what I say there, but it's so good to have
your company, the pleasure of your company on Newstalks EDB.
I'm Jack Tame with you through the midday today, counting
down to the All Backs Ireland Test at Eden Park

(01:19:31):
this evening feeling relatively comfortable, although it has to be
said I reckon that I think a lot of people
thought that, you know, the Orbecs would kick off this
season under Dave Rennie that kind of cleaned the slate,
that things would look a little bit cleaner than they
had in recent seasons, and so far, at the very least,
it hasn't been quite like that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
It actually feels kind of akin to the last couple
of seasons under Scott Robinson, where it was like, oh,
you know, the Orbacks are there or thereabouts. There are
moments of like where everything's working well and they look
cohesive and they look like they know what they're doing,
and then there are the mo we're actually stuff isn't
quite there. So hoping that we're going to see the
complete performance at Eden Park this evening, of course, we're
going to have live coverage view from seven o'clock Elliott Smith,

(01:20:17):
the Voice of Rugby, with the call for you as
the All Backs look to defend that incredible record at
Eden Park. Before midday, we're gonna have a bit of
a listen to jin Wigmore's brand new album, Beautiful Mess,
has just been released. If you weren't here with us,
we had her in studio after ten this morning. She's
just such a delight. Gin Willmore was just so so

(01:20:38):
She's just such good fun honestly, so that was a
real pleasure. We've made sure the the interviewers up at
newstalk SeeDB dot co dot nz you can listen to that.
We're going to listen to her album before midday as
well as that we've got your book picks for this weekend.
And our travel correspondent is looking at the Rocky Mountaineer,
one of the world's top luxury rail journeys through the

(01:20:58):
Rocky Mountain, so he'll be with us shortly right now
though it is nine minutes past eleven. Jack Dan and
our sustainability expert Kate Hall is with us this morning.
Killed her.

Speaker 9 (01:21:09):
Good morning, Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
I can tell you that whenever I'm thinking about my
various beauty products, and you know, as you can imagine,
there are just dozens of them, ethical standards are not
something that necessarily is front of mind, which I know
is just shameful, but no truth be told. I actually
because I have to wear makeup right for work, and.

Speaker 9 (01:21:36):
Even if you were in a personal sun that's you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
Know, twenty twenty six. Yeah, you do you. I couldn't
even tell you, or I couldn't tell you like the
most basic things about the makeup that I wear, except
that it's liquid foundation when I'm in the studio. Yeah,
that's all I could tell you.

Speaker 9 (01:21:52):
But I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
But no. But sustainability is like when it comes to
the stuff, it's actually about so much more than just
like natural ingredients and recyclable packaging, right for those who
really are into their beauty and cosmic Yeah, there is so.

Speaker 9 (01:22:08):
Much to it. I think a lot of kind of
the mainstream brands will slapper natural ingredients or slapperless kind
of label on their packaging and move on. But there is,
Oh my gosh, there are so many different levels environmentally
ethically to beauty products that you purchase. So you're thinking

(01:22:30):
about where the ingredient ingredients sourced, what are they because
you're putting them on your face, like potentially you're eating
them a little bit too, you know, like lipsticks and
even the foundation that gathers in the corner of your mouth.
Like you're very up close and personal with these products.
So I think it's one that is important we think

(01:22:50):
more about. So yeah, I like, I'm not one to
kind of throw around the big names or you know,
point fingers, but I guess celebrating the brand who we
have in New Zealand, who are great, we think about
all these things. Alice is my favorite brand, A L. E.

Speaker 4 (01:23:10):
P H.

Speaker 9 (01:23:11):
They like they're pretty much the only one. Actually, I
was on a photo shoot set in this makeup artist.
This is in twenty eighteen. She was doing my makeup
and she was saying, oh, I hate all these all
these products that I'm having to use.

Speaker 7 (01:23:26):
They're so.

Speaker 9 (01:23:28):
Unethical because it was for a piece about sustainability, and
she kind of felt quite bashful, I think putting all
this on me, and she see, one day, I'm going
to have a business that I can, you know, use
my own products that I know that they are sourced well,
have refillable or taxable containers. And that is now Alice,

(01:23:48):
Oh amazing, Yeah you can do it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
Yeah that is cool. Yeah. Years later, Yeah, that's impressing.
It's an easy thing to do.

Speaker 9 (01:23:57):
No, no, well absolutely, because you think you're not just
there's just so many different components to it. You're not
like to source the ingredients back into to try to
uphold you know, not tested on animals, good for like
actually a good product too, because you don't want to compromise.
You know, we still want Jack Taine to look awesome

(01:24:18):
when he's on the TV.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
That they are still in there. We still want him
to thank you, K, We'll take that.

Speaker 9 (01:24:26):
I want to compromise on the quality of your liquid foundation.
So yeah, I think looking out for brands actually knowing
that we can ask brands questions. I think that's a
big part that people think, Oh, you know, Laurial wasn't
going to reply to me, but you are their customer
and you have the right to ask where is this
product made, who made it? Where does you know the

(01:24:49):
ingredients come from? What kind of policies do you have
within your company? You know to ensure these types of
things we can actually ask of our brands. So if
I was someone listening, I would look at the main
products they love and use, and then ask your those
companies by email or like social media message, asked in

(01:25:09):
these questions and see what they come back with. And
if you're not happy with putting it on your face
every day, you're not happy with you know, supporting that
brand by buying their product all the time being stopped.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
Yeah, yeah, that's good. You can actually be surprised sometimes
if you actually go and challenge challenge brands in this way.
And I suppose the other thing is, so you've got
the ingredients side of things, you've got the packaging, you've
got the workers, but just trying to be attuned to
those very clever little marketing claims like the eco freely's

(01:25:41):
or the cleans or the natural ingredients, right, just being
a little bit cynical. And I know that you're vital skeptical.
You're very good at being skeptical with these things.

Speaker 9 (01:25:48):
Yes, or anyone like I could make a product today,
be made from any type of thing, and I could
put the word green or clean or eco friendly on it.
It's not like there's no legislation out there's.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
No Yeah, there's no regulation.

Speaker 9 (01:26:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah, no no regulation. So don't just hate
that as face value, ask you know, how do you
how can you make that claim? What can you tell
me to support that claim to so I know as
a customer that it's actually true?

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
Yeah okay, oh that makes a lot of sense. Thank
you so much, Kate. I promise that I'm going to
pay a little bit more attention when I'm in the makeup. Yeah,
when I'm getting a bit painted up for you know,
at the panel of leaders and they're trying to you've
got the angle grinder up, I'm going to pay a
bit more attention and maybe ask some questions to thank
you very much. You can find Kate, of course on

(01:26:39):
social media. Just search ethically Kate. Her name will pop
right up all morning on newstalks. They'd be We've been
talking about coincidences and serendipitous moments in your life, looking
at this incredible photo of Lionel Messi and lamin Ya
Marl and we've been comparing our experiences over the years
with that of the two or two of the best

(01:27:00):
footballers in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
A couple of years ago, my partner and I were
staying at the campground or more could all. While I
was making dinner, I took a photo of my dinner
at different stages, and I put these photos on Facebook overnight.
There was a comment on the post the next morning
from an old school friend who'd moved to France in
the nineteen nineties and was still living there. But she
said take a close look. I'm in the background of

(01:27:24):
your photo since she had come back to New Zealand
and was visiting an aunt who happened to live in
the same campground and was immediately behind us in the photographs.
We had a lovely catch up the next morning. That
is pretty cool, Jack coincidences. My wife is from Canada,
I'm from Blenham. We ended up living in christ Church,
but our house was destroyed in the earthquakes and we

(01:27:45):
ended up buying a new house on Bristol Street. In
the meantime, a cousin was researching family on genealogy and
found genealogy was researching family genealogy and found that old
relatives of my wife's keeping in mind my wife's was
from Canada, had actually come to New Zealand on the
first four ships in Canterbury. She followed my wife followed

(01:28:09):
the family and followed all of the genealogy and discovered
through rates records that a direct descendant lived in exactly
the same address on Bristol Street that we had just
bought in christ Church. Cirys lindsay, that is pretty crazy.
All of these are crazy. I still reckon. Nothing comes
close to the fact that you had Leonel Messi giving

(01:28:32):
Leamin Yamal a bubble bath nineteen years before they met
for the first time in the Football World Cup final.
But hey, if you've got a good story by means
share at ninety two to ninety two as the text
number if you want to get in touch. Jacket Newstalk
SeeDB dot co dot n Seid seventeen past eleven our
travel experts in next.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Travel with Wendy Woo Tours where the world is yours
for now?

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
Just coming up to twenty past eleven on news Stalks,
he'd b. Make Yardley is our travel correspondent and he
is here with us this morning, killed her. Good morning, Jack,
You are riding the rails of the Rocky Mountaineer in
Canada for us this morning. That's built as one of
the world's greatest luxury rail journeys. So does it live
up to the billing.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
It does?

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
Jack?

Speaker 4 (01:29:15):
Yes, I think it is what bucket lists were made for,
to be honest, and obviously Canadians are very proud of
this train journey because it is really a prize to
tourism experience. It is not cheap. You will feel swept
up in supreme comfort, but what I think underpins its
success is that across just a couple of days of

(01:29:36):
train travel, the sheer range of changing landscapes is remarkable,
and you've got very intimate encounters with the heart of
the Rockies stealing the show. The hospitality on board Jack
is lavish, if not lush, because you've got a complementary
open bar. The dining is seriously gourmet. I mean, it

(01:29:59):
just amazes me what they can whip up in the
train gilly for five hundred passengers. But the whole experience,
it's just like a perfectly orchestrated symphony, you know, just
it feels seamless and knowing and very indulgent.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
Oh so good. So are there a variety of roots?

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Yeah, there are.

Speaker 4 (01:30:21):
So Vancouver is the main departure point, but you can
choose from a trip that will zip you up to Jasper.
You can actually take a longer trip that also takes
in Whistler and Quesnela on the way to Jasper. They've
also headed across the border and recently launched what they
call the Canyon Spirit. So this takes you from Denver

(01:30:43):
through Moab and through to Salt Lake City. And the
thing about the Rocky Mountain here, which I think is
really good. All train travel is in daylight hours, so
you don't miss any sites. They'll put you up in
our hotel overnight at the end of each day. But
I took a ride last month on their flagship route,
which is called First Passage to the West.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
First Passage to the West, Okay. So from Vancouver, where
does it take you?

Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
Yeah, so this is very much tracing that the Transcontinental
Rail Route, which very much stitched Canada together back in
the day. And the flagship route runs between Vancouver and
Lake Louise and bamf And you can do it in
either direction, but I would suggest you start in Vancouver

(01:31:32):
because the scenery just gets better and better and grander
and grander by the hour, climaxing with day two immersed
in the Rockies. If you do it the other way around,
you just get the best stuff too fast, too early,
you know, too quick, And you have that overnight stop

(01:31:53):
in Kamloops after day one, which is a really unusual place. Check.
It's like a semi arid desert and I was quite
gone away by this. In the highest summer, their temperatures
will hit forty five degrees right in winter they'll go
down to minus forty. I don't know of many places
with such an extreme temperature range. So yeah, the landscape

(01:32:17):
is pretty wild, even brutal in these parts. And then
you have these enormous rivers like the Fraser that the
train snakes along between Vancouver and Kamloops.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
So how is the wildlife?

Speaker 4 (01:32:32):
Well, yeah, really good question because at its very much
a case of you want Lady Luck on your side.
It can be a famine, it can be a feast.
So obviously beer spotting is a big drawer, right. I
only saw one grizzly scampering up the hillside from the
river with a salmon. Only one. But I was chatting
to some passengers who had done the Rocky three times

(01:32:55):
and they said on their last journey two years ago,
they counted forty eight beers, which is insane. Yeah, but
I have to say the birds of prey, they are
a very common sight. And I just loved seeing balled
eagles and osprays swooping down snagging a salmon straight from

(01:33:17):
the river. I mean, the light ram raiders of the
sky smash and grab on the water. You can never
get sick of seeing that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
How varied is the landscape.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
It is amazing, Jack that the variety is just so
tightly packed, so like parts of British Columbia look like
Central Otago, sun burnt mountains, topped and snow surging rivers
coming through the landscape. Then you've got those gnarly old
suspension bridges crisscrossing the river, sort of reaching back to
the gold Rush once again, a bit like Central Otago.

(01:33:49):
And then suddenly you're in this like blaze of green.
Just the density and the immensity of the rainforests is stunning,
and I became quite the tree freak. I have now
after nerding out, been able to decipher the difference between
you know, your Douglas fir, your trembling aspen. I love

(01:34:10):
that name of a tree, trembling aspen, mountain, hemlocks, lodge polepines,
so many different types of trees, and yeah, it's quite
fun just to sort of like play spot that tree,
what's its name? And then in addition to Central Otago,
it does after a while, I feel like you are

(01:34:31):
just rolling through a giant highlights reel of Central Otago
with a bit of McKenzie, the Southern Alps and the
West Coast rainforest all rolled into one.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Yeah, yeah, that sounds amazing. What was the highlight for you?

Speaker 4 (01:34:45):
Well, an unexpected site, I'd have to say, which was
a highlight seeing harbor seals who had fifty five kilometers
upstream on the Fraser River to Binge on salmon Berg swimmers.
As to the scenery, it is absolutely no question the

(01:35:07):
untamed glory of the Rockies. Once you cross the continental divide,
you've got lakes as luminous as Lake Pukake, one after
another of these lakes, all fed by glaciers. Then this
huge procession of peaks that reach higher and mightier than Aldraki.
Mount cock are like nature's grand cathedrals, and they've got

(01:35:28):
such very self explanatory names jack like Temple Mountain and
Castle Mountain. So yeah, the scenery in the Rockies is
engrossing to the point of feeling oversaturated. You know, you
just think, have I seen too much? Now? My eyes
need to rest. But it is quite captivating.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
So when's the best time to go?

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
Yeah, well, the Rocky Mountaineer rolls from April to October.
I would say definitely give summer the flick July August,
And interestingly, the wildlife is typically very low energy in
summer for spring growth, hungry bears and snowclad scenery. I
would say April is really good and if you like
your autumn colors October we'll see you sort it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Oh nice, Okay, thank you so much, Mike. It does
sound incredible. We've had a text through saying Jack, I
did this trip Vancouver Camlob's band Rocky Mountaineer fifteen years ago.
It is still a magical memory. As Mike describes, absolutely
amazing scenery. So thank you for all of Mike's tips
on riding the rails of the Rocky Mountaineer in Canada.
You can go to news Talk shadb dot co dot
nz and his article and tips will be up there

(01:36:37):
before midday. We're going to listen to Beautiful Mess, the
new album from Jin Wigmore. We'll have your book recommendations
for the weekend as well. Right now, it's just coming
up to eleven thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
powered by News Talks EDB. Getting your weekends started. It's
Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
This is Gracie Abrams. Her new album Daughter from Hell
has just been released. Her last album, The Secret of Us,
was an absolute chart topper, so it'll be interesting to
see if this one can match up. Just gone eleven
thirty on your Saturday morning, you're with Jack Tame through
the midday and then Jason Pine is in another week,
another weekend sport broadcast live from a bar as Jason

(01:37:49):
Pine comes down to the All Wax and Ireland Test
at Eden Park seven o'clock kick off this evening of course,
and Piney the Kingslander this afternoon, the.

Speaker 15 (01:37:58):
Iconic Kingslander Jack on New North Road. I know a
lot of Auckland folk have spent some time here over
the years, whether it be before a game, during a
game if they haven't got a ticket, certainly after a game. Yeah,
we're looking forward to building up towards this big test
mate at Eton Park tonight from midday until three. Looking
I reckon it's about a decent Jordy Barrett punt from

(01:38:18):
here to Eden Park.

Speaker 21 (01:38:20):
It's really really close.

Speaker 15 (01:38:21):
So we're going to be able to sort of gauge
the atmosphere at the seven o'clock kickoff obviously, so I
think people start sort of drifting into this part of
town early afternoon. We'll try and get a few punters
on and see if they've got any sense of trepidation.
That is the All Blacks ones. I'm sure there'll be
some Iris fans around as well who have a sense
of excitement about what might be about to unfold. Fifty
two matches without defeat for the All Blacks at Edon Park, Jack,

(01:38:42):
How are you feeling about that?

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
Yeah, I feel relatively confident. That being said, I reckon
the first couple of games under the Reny era haven't
gone quite as they might have hoped. I don't think
things have looked quite as cohesive as they might have,
and it actually reminds me of a little bit of
how I felt under Scott Robinson in his first couple
of games, and it was like eventh kind of there
are there abounds, but it's not quite clicking yet. Looking

(01:39:06):
forward to seeing a complete performance at some point.

Speaker 15 (01:39:08):
So am I.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
So I think I've heard it called growing pains.

Speaker 15 (01:39:11):
I mean when a new coach comes in, yeah, you know,
with an entirely new coaching staff except Jason Ryan of course,
and they try to imprint their ideas on a new team,
then we are going to get a little bit of
clunkiness to start with. This as though the last test
before the All Blacks head off on that monumental tour
of South Africa. Of course, the three tests over there,
the one in Baltimore, all the games against the Super

(01:39:31):
Rugby or the former Super Rugby sides as well. So yeah,
I think they'd want to go off with a bit
of wind in their sales, a bit of momentum. I
think they'll win the game tonight. Okay, this isn't the
Island of four years ago. I don't think who came
here and of course famously beat us in that Test series,
So yeah, it should be should be an intriguing contest
with quite a few layers to it tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
At Eden par Yeah. Yeah. So how are you feeling
about the Football World Cup Final and how disappointed to
you that England's not there?

Speaker 5 (01:39:57):
Well?

Speaker 15 (01:39:57):
I am disappointed England that there. I think we've all
got a bit of a soft spot for England, haven't we,
And we were hoping maybe that it would be coming
home as they say after sixty year have hurt. But
then I thought to myself for the Spain England final,
I think I'd be heavily favoring Spain. In that Spain,
we're just excellent against France in the semi final. Argentina
are just a completely different kettle of fish, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
There.

Speaker 15 (01:40:19):
They're a side that runs on emotion more than anything.
They've got the dark arts down to a bit of
a fine art as far as some of the some
of the things they do is concerned. And of course
they play for the greatest player in the world and
Lionel MESSI never have I seen a team completely, you know,
give themselves over to serving one of their players. But

(01:40:39):
that's what they do, and I mean for their benefit.
Of course, here they are in another World Cup final
and who's to say they can't go back to back.
Spain a favorite, I think, Jack, but Argentina could win
the game. It's a it's a one off, it's a
World Cup final.

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
Yeah, it's so funny. I just have this real softness
for English sports writing. And there are two sports in
particular where I think sports writing is at its best,
and that's test cricket and football. And it said it's
absolute pinnacle. When England suffers some form of catastrophe like
this is just so. This week, the last three days

(01:41:14):
has just been like actually the last month when you
include the Test lost to the black Caps, the series
lost to the black Caps, and Ben Stokes standing down
as captain, followed by this catastrophe in the semi final
of the Football World Cup. It has just been an absolute,
like true golden period of English I'm desperate, you know,
despair ridden English sports writing. It's been it's been amazing

(01:41:37):
to see.

Speaker 15 (01:41:37):
Yeah, I agree. I love reading English sports writers and
you're right, it seems as though they're, you know, forever
involved in one tragedy or atrope or another, and they
seem to be able to find new ways of describing them.
And I've enjoyed that bit of it, if I haven't
so much enjoyed the fact that that England are not
going to be the winners of the World.

Speaker 9 (01:41:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
Yeah, it's gonna be very interesting to see Monday morning
for the third fourth playoff of course tomorrow first, which
no one ever wants to play, but sometimes it's a
good game, so we'll look forward to that. Thank you, sir,
than I enjoyed this afternoon. Jason Pime broadcasting Weekend Sport
Live from the Kingslander on New North Road as he
counts down to the all Blacks Ireland test. Of course,
we'll have the call live view on newstalk's he'db from
seven o'clock this evening before midday on newstalk's He'd Be Beautiful.

(01:42:19):
Mess is the new album from jin Wigmore her first
and eight years and it has just been released, so
we're going to play you a couple of tracks from
that and next up, if you're looking to put your
feet up and enjoy a good new read, we've got
a couple of recommendations from our book reviewer right now.
It's twenty five to twelve twenty two to twelve on
news Storks He'd Be Catherine Rains is our book reviewer

(01:42:41):
on Saturday mornings every week at this time she gives
us her recommendations for the weekend and she's here with
us now Goday. Catherine, Good morning Jack. Let's begin with
It Could Have Been Her, which is a new book
by Lisa Jewel.

Speaker 6 (01:42:55):
So this is about Jane Travalli and she's in her
mid fifties and she had a pretty traumatic childhood and
now in a fifties, she's sort of very lonely and
doesn't really know where she in the world, and she's
out walking one day and she comes across this lost
dog and the girl that was seen with this dog
earlier has vanished, and so and she goes to the

(01:43:16):
local vet and tracks down this owner and then when
she gets to the house, she realizes that she's still missing.
But there's something about this house that really haunts her.
She knows that she's been there before, but none of
the locals really seem to care that this woman is missing.
And so jane Enliss, the help of her steps on
a man called Dexter to help and uncover the secrets

(01:43:37):
and what's going on. And so you get this really
unsettling atmosphere to the book, and this it's got quite
a slow burned pacete, but it really helps ramp up
the tension, and you get these character flaws and not
knowing who to trust in the book, and it jumps
from one thing to another continuously, which helps to addswers
that creepy, eerie feeling that you're getting. And it's a

(01:43:59):
really well told psychological thriller. It's got some dark themes
in it, but the twists keep you reading as you
just really need to know what's happened to this woman
and what's happened to Jane and what the backstory.

Speaker 4 (01:44:10):
Of it all is.

Speaker 3 (01:44:11):
Yeah, okay, this sounds interesting, So that's it could have
been her. That's by Lisa Juel. Next up, Nothing to
My Name by King King Lee Kovacs.

Speaker 6 (01:44:19):
This is historical fiction, but the author draws on her
own family history, and she covers a century so sort
of those brutal chapters of Chinese history, the Chinese Civil
War and the how society completely changes, and the Cultural
Revolution and the tensions that arose from that, and then
the aftermath of the nineteen eighty nine tenem And Square massacre,

(01:44:41):
and she centered the focus of the story over the
three generations of Chinese woman. So it begins in nineteen
forty eight in a fishing village of Sanjao and twelve
year old Azoo is Aju is observing her mother's kind
of quiet labor really, and she combs here for wealthy
clients and it's just kind of get absorbed in the
story here, but it's as the Civil War and the

(01:45:03):
communist regivolution are about to happen. And then you follow
her daughter, Mimosa, who navigates the Cultural Revolution and what
her parents have gone through and what she's going through.
And then the granddaughter, Fay, who's raised as a boy
by her activist father, and there you get this significant
impact of the one child policy and the direct impact
it has on phays life as she sort of navigates

(01:45:25):
both her identity and the politics all at once.

Speaker 7 (01:45:28):
And it's just this story.

Speaker 6 (01:45:29):
It is beautifully written, and it focuses not only on
these massive events in history, but the small events in
each of their characters' lives. You know, the silences of
the family, the small acts of defiance, you know the
weight that family secrets carry, and as these women navigate
their way through what's thrown at them by history. It's
beautifully written, it's character driven story, and it's one of

(01:45:50):
those stories that stick in your mind long after you've
finish reading it and just you know, kind of the
thoughts of it. And even though it's historical fiction, obviously
those chapters of Chinese history occur, and it's really really
fascinating story.

Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
Okay, so that's nothing to my name by King King
Leko Catherine's first pick for us. It could have been
her by Lisa Jewell, and both of those books will
of course be NEWSTALKSB dot Co dot n Z. All right,
she's been in the studio already this morning. It a
lot of fun as always, but now we're gonna have
a bit of a listen to gin Wigmore's brand new album.

(01:46:23):
The album is called Beautiful Mess. It's her first and
eight years and we'll pick out a good track to
play with you in a couple of months.

Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
Saturday Morning with Jack Tame Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
Powered by News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
Sweet Ass listening for your Saturday Saturday Morning with Jack
Day on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
I Ready, that is Jen Wigmore. The song is Strange Love.

(01:47:24):
It's from her brand new album, Beautiful Mess, which of
course dropped yesterday. Well, the hell of her backstory listening
in as our music review of Chris Shultz, Who's he
ever us?

Speaker 21 (01:47:33):
This morning?

Speaker 5 (01:47:34):
Morning?

Speaker 23 (01:47:34):
Good morning Jack, Strap yourself in for that backstory writer, Yes,
something to behold. It all started back in twenty eighteen,
when she'd sort of stopped making music. She was She
went and bought a hotel on a whim, as you
do in Desert Springs on Boxing Day and created the
Sayalst Resort, and then found it was too much for
her because everyone was coming out there and partying, and

(01:47:56):
she was pregnant with her second child, so she gave
that away, moved back to LA and then she got
divorced and she moved back to New Zealand then she
brought a deli in Kingsland, also on a whim.

Speaker 21 (01:48:06):
This woman lives life at a pace I cannot fathom.
But she's she's so much fun to be around.

Speaker 23 (01:48:11):
I went and hung out and heard all of this
in her deli for an hour, and it might be
the most fun interview I've ever done. She was like
making sandwiches and setting up coffees, and customers were banging
on the door, like let me in, and they all
wanted to see and experience Jim Wigmore. She's got a
lot of fans, I think, who all just wanted to
kind of come and experience.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
That she's like she is. I mean, I've known her
for many years now and just just you know, from
around the traps, and she has always had that kind
it's just like it said, it sounds like wishy washy
when you say this, but she's she's got an amazing energy,
Like she's got a real energy to her, you know,
And and obviously that is how she has attacked this

(01:48:52):
album having gone through all of that crazy life stuff.

Speaker 23 (01:48:54):
Yeah, so it's an album of two halves. Beautiful mess
sort of sums up the kind of like different different
moods on this album. The first half was made a
little longer ago. It was a batch of songs she
made more melancholy, more folky, a little more country, very personal, introspective,
more probably related to how we know jin wigmore, you

(01:49:15):
know as this kind of like you know, gravelly voiced soul,
Indie pops sort of singer. She's got that beautiful, like
grit to a voice.

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
Such a unique voice.

Speaker 23 (01:49:26):
Yeah, Instantly, from the first song she ever did it
was like that smashproof brother the number one hit for
eleven weeks. It set her career off, and then obviously
all the awards followed. I like the second half of
this album better. This is the half where it came Later.
She went off into the desert for a week and
just had some fun with a bunch of friends and

(01:49:47):
came back with a set of songs that sounds more
like Queens of the Stone Age or the White Strokes,
Like there's a blues rock vibe. You could hear it
in that song we just played. There's almost a punk
rock spirit to it. I think that's where she should
be heading in the future, and I wonder if that's
why the album sort.

Speaker 3 (01:50:05):
Of separated the point of that, Yeah, he asked in the.

Speaker 23 (01:50:08):
Present and possibly a nod to the future. Those songs
are full on, they've got hooks, they've got choruses, they
sound awesome, loud, and it suits her voice, you know,
like again that that kind of gravelly voice with with
now these these personal stories that she's folding into her music,
it really suits her.

Speaker 3 (01:50:27):
Yeah, it's amazing. I had jin like she's really over
the years, she's kind of had these hits that they
they have a real tendency like pop up in interesting
places like international advertising campaigns, TV shows.

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:39):
Yeah, yeah, you know, like she said, there's there's really something.
There's a kind of sound that she's like a quality
to her voice that makes it kind of, you know,
really attractive in that sense. And did you get from
especially from the second half of that album, did you
get a sense that there are kind of hits of
that quality in there.

Speaker 6 (01:50:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:50:55):
The title track to me sounds like how i'd imagine
Amy Winehouse to sound like if she was still with us. Uh,
there's a real quality there, there's a real depth.

Speaker 21 (01:51:06):
And you know that's the thing.

Speaker 23 (01:51:07):
They don't feel like tossed off songs. They feel like
because of these personal stories in them, and she's got
this connection to them. Yeah, I think they can they
can stick around for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
What did you have at the Dewli?

Speaker 21 (01:51:21):
I can't even say the name. They've all got these
riskue names.

Speaker 23 (01:51:23):
And one of the delightful things is hearing people come
in and trying to pronounce them.

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
Like risk ae as in rude okay right, as opposed
to like, oh it's it's an Italian name that you
can't pronounce.

Speaker 23 (01:51:33):
That comes on word yeah, And she has she loves
making people say them like's like you've got to give
it some snap.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
What was in your sandwich?

Speaker 23 (01:51:42):
Can I ask that brictto sundried tomatoes, some pisto? Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:51:49):
No, good sandwiches, very good sandwiches.

Speaker 23 (01:51:51):
And if you wanted a little taste of the gin
wordmore experience, that's you're going to get it there. Like
she's she's exactly as she sounds, and interviews and on
this record of.

Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
A good touring album as well, do you reckon one?

Speaker 5 (01:52:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:52:05):
I think there's a touring. I don't think it's been
announced just yet.

Speaker 23 (01:52:08):
I think there's a bunch of overseas dates as well.

Speaker 21 (01:52:10):
It will depend I guess on a deli and her
two kids.

Speaker 3 (01:52:13):
So yeah, yeah, all of that stuff. Yeah, okay, yeah, well,
I mean she's fantastic live, so I hope that's the case.
Very good. What did you give a beautiful mess?

Speaker 23 (01:52:22):
I'm going to give it three and a half. I
would love more of that second half in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:52:27):
Definitely cool. Okay, we're gonna have a bit more of
a listen in a couple of minutes. We'll pick out
a good track from that and play it to you
very shortly. Chris Schultz. There's a music review you can
hear more from Chris, of course on his sub stack.
It's called boiler Room.

Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
Your weekend stance right here Saturday morning with Jack Team
on news Talk Ziby.

Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
Tell you what we have had an extraordinary collection of
serendipitous and coincidental stories this morning. I'm not even sure
if I can properly define the difference between a coincident
and serendipity. Anyway, it all came from this incredible photo
of Leonel Messi the glow football superstar holding a baby

(01:53:09):
in his arms and actually giving the baby a bubble
bath nineteen years ago as part of a campaign for
unseft Well. As it turns out, of course, the baby
whom he was giving that bubble bath nineteen years ago
is now himself a global football superstar le Menuamal, and
the two of them are going to be facing off
in the Football World Cup Final on Monday morning. I

(01:53:30):
reckon for all of our various coincidence and serendipity stories,
though we haven't quite quite matched that one. We've come close.
We've come close. We've found long lost family members together
this morning. We have encountered long lost friends from across
the world and funny places. But I just don't know
that there is anything that can quite match the one

(01:53:51):
in three quadrillion chants which we reckon. Are the odds
for those two meeting nineteen years ago, being photographed in
that circumstance, and then facing off for the first time
in a football game together on none other than the
world's bigges stuf. It's the Football World Cup Final. Before that,
of course, we've got the All Blacks. They'll be facing
off at seven this evening, Eden Park Elliott Smith has

(01:54:12):
the call on News Talks Heed b Jason Pine just
down the road at the kingslanded with Weekend Sport right
after the midday news for you, thanks as always for
all of your feedback and stories this morning, and to
my wonderful producer Heidi for doing all the buttons and
dials and pulling everything together with us. So for us
this morning, we're gonna leave you with Jin Wigmore. Her
brand new album is Beautiful Mess and this song is

(01:54:35):
tipping my tongue.

Speaker 24 (01:54:47):
Monday comes Sundays it feels the same.

Speaker 12 (01:54:55):
Is this bl One's blass One time the games?

Speaker 3 (01:55:05):
I thank you you too?

Speaker 12 (01:55:07):
On my runaway.

Speaker 25 (01:55:10):
All on the days, time run on the days, Tell
me secs, tell me hides, tell me Lord, tell.

Speaker 24 (01:55:24):
Me lies, tell me everything.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
I just wanna love you.

Speaker 24 (01:55:29):
Wanna days all the pieces of your wall. I'm gonna
dip in my tongue. I know you'll get no lives,
are you tip up? No your lines, no your fly
spots and everything. I just wanna love you. Wanna taste
all the pieces of the worm on the tip of

(01:55:49):
my tongue.

Speaker 12 (01:55:58):
I'm secrets up.

Speaker 24 (01:56:01):
You gotta down before you learn.

Speaker 25 (01:56:06):
It's a fire in my house.

Speaker 24 (01:56:08):
Sometimes it's best to let it boom. Rolling my Dad's song,
brulling the dance on you.

Speaker 12 (01:56:22):
Tell me see face down.

Speaker 24 (01:56:25):
And hides down, the loads down the limes.

Speaker 25 (01:56:28):
Tell me have a thing.

Speaker 24 (01:56:30):
I just wanna love you, mom tat.

Speaker 3 (01:56:34):
Other pieces out of your warning.

Speaker 24 (01:56:36):
I'm a dip of my tongue. I know you get
five best ah you die a your limes, all your
minds fox in heaventhing. I just wanna love you, mom
tas other pieces out in the world. I don't. I'm
a dip of my tongue. Show me where it curse.

(01:56:56):
Tell me how to stop I'm being 'em socking mom.
You how you wanna be a love?

Speaker 22 (01:57:03):
Uh?

Speaker 12 (01:57:03):
Now you gotta be in love?

Speaker 3 (01:57:06):
Love I love.

Speaker 12 (01:57:08):
I show me where to come to.

Speaker 24 (01:57:17):
Roll on Today Time, Roll on Theday so you.

Speaker 12 (01:57:24):
Want you, Roll over the day.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
Roll out of days on me too.

Speaker 1 (01:57:34):
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