Full Show Podcast: 28 February 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
More in a good morning, Welcome to News Talks v
Jack Tae with you through the midday today. Heart Throb Alert,
heart Throb Alert, Saunder Claxon. After ten o'clock this morning,
our feature interview is none other than bona fide key Wee,
Hollywood star and heart Throb. Yep, Carl Luban is going
to be with us right after ten. He's been all

(01:05):
sorts of amazing productions of late. He's had five seasons
on The Boys, which has had ridiculous international success. That's
about to wrap up. But he's got a brand new
film called The Bluff in which he's starring alongside Prianka
Chopra Jones. So he's gonna tell us a bit more
about that after ten o'clock this morning. Massive Day for
the three, Huge Day in christ Church, Electric av The

(01:27):
festival just gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger
every year. We're going to be taking you life to
christ Church for the very late to see how Day
one went. Last night split ends of course, kicking things off.
Dom Dollar is kicking is the headliner tonight. Is it
wrong to admit that I personally have a bit of
a soft spot for Kesher. She's performing this evening, you

(01:50):
know tek Ta Kan Yeah? Anyway, Kesha is performing this
evening at Electric av They're expecting tens of thousands, so
really looking forward to that as well. Right now it
is eight minutes past nine.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Jack Team.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
For my stage and profession, I consider myself about PA
when it comes to technology, So I'm by no means
a tech geek, but I know the difference between an
HDMI cable and a USBC. I don't want to brag,
but right now you are listening to someone who has

(02:25):
successfully set up a dual band mesh Wi Fi at home.
So if your TV isn't working properly, I'm not your
best bet, but I'm not your absolute worst either. Two
weeks ago, though, I tried something with technology that I
have never tried before. I started vibe coding. You might

(02:47):
have heard that term vibe coding, you might have even
done it, but for the uninitiated, vibe coding is when
you use normal language instructions to direct an AI system
to make applications. Do you follow? You're thinking?

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Jack?

Speaker 2 (03:06):
For goodness, say, can't you speak as soon to be
official language of this country? Okay? Put it this way.
I have zero experience programming or coding, right, zero, absolute
zero zeltch nada. I don't know how to write a
single line of code, let alone how to code or
program anything even moderately useful or complex.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
I wouldn't honestly know where to start. But vibe coding
allows people like me to give an aisystem instructions in
English to make a website or to make an app,
or theoretically anything that relies on code. And the reason
I was interested in trying vibe coding is a lot
of the tech writers and commentators I follow have been

(03:51):
going on and on about how good some of the
latest mainstream AI systems are. Forget the chat GPT of
two years ago. They said, try the new AI models.
They said their game changes. The best thing you can do,
they said, to try and prepare for the huge AI
disruption that's coming is just have a play, try and

(04:15):
understand a bit about how the tools actually work. I
don't know about you, but I find it a bit
hard to distinguish the AI hype from reality. A decade ago,
Elon Musk was promising we were all mere months away
from having fully autonomous cars. But I am often reminded

(04:35):
of Amara's law. We overestimate the impact of technology in
the short term, but we underestimate it in the long term.
So in the spirit of trying to get a better
understanding of the frontier consumer AI models, I spent about
forty dollars for a Clawed subscription for a month and

(04:57):
downloaded Clawed code. The first thing I did was ask
it to make a website. Make me a professional website
on which I can showcase my work across radio and TV.
I said, have a sleek look with a charcoal color scheme,
have an about page, a professional layout and font. Have

(05:18):
a contact page with a box for people to get
in touch with their queries. I uploaded a headshot and
hit enter. Claude code went to work.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
All of.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Maybe four minutes later, it was done. I came back
and Claude had coded a multi page professional website. Jack Tame,
journalist and broadcaster. Was it the greatest website in the
history of the world. No, but perfectly adequate to be
put up online immediately. If I wished, Claude had filled

(05:53):
in all of the text gaps it had written the
about page itself. It informed me that it had gone
and swept the internet, found comparable pages with other journalists
and broadcasters around the world. It had copied there font
and layout schemes. And here's where it got really good.
Over the next fifteen minutes or so, I typed basic
constructions into Claude. So I said, change the font to this.

(06:17):
Can you change the text in the about section so
that it says this make the photo of me bigger? Naturally,
with each prompt, it would go away and code for
a few seconds, and then give me the updated version.
It was so easy, so ridiculously easy. Honestly, it didn't
feel at all wasteful when after a few minutes I

(06:39):
got bored and just deleted the whole thing. Next, I
asked Claude to design an app for my Mac. I
want it to work as a journal I said. I
want to be able to upload something every week showing
what I'm up to. It should allow me to upload
photos and videos. It should have a place where I

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can add text. I should be able to easily scroll
through the dates maybe give it an olive green color scheme.
Flawed code went to work a few minutes later. It
was done. With no coding experience, no programming experience whatsoever.
I could make something and it wasn't half bad. Just

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imagine I thought someone with expertise might be able to
produce with the same system. There's a good reason that
when this was released last month, all manner of software
businesses took an almighty hit to their share price. The
generative AI systems that let you code are even better

(07:44):
than the chatbots, so like the open AI version of
coding is even better than chat GPT, and with good reason,
the likes of Anthropic and open Ai, the companies that
own these systems have very deliberately prioritized developing AI coding

(08:05):
systems so they could then use those systems to build
better models. It's kind of hard to get your head
around it, but this is to me an absolutely stunning fact. Anthropic,
which owns Claude, estimates ninety percent of claud code has
been written by claud Code itself. What does my vibe

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coding experience mean for the future of AI, in the
future of our economies. I don't know, Ozie I got
no idea. I still think the AI hype seems extreme,
to say the least, but I would be lying to
you if I said that in mucking around, I hadn't
been genuinely wowed. My first experience of vibe coding was

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really impressive, not perfect, but really really impressive, and honestly,
being able to give it plain language instructions, being able
to speak to it in English and then leave it
to go to work, it felt like kind of magic.
It's really hard not to wonder that, if this is

(09:12):
where it is today, where might it be five years
from now.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Jack Team ninety two.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Ninety two is our text number, Jack at Newstalks hedb
dot co dot z. It is my email address. If
you want to send me a slightly longer note this morning,
or get clawed or chet gpt to do it for you,
be fourteen o'clock this morning. We're in the kitchen. Or
a beautiful little a beautiful little warmer recipe quite rich
but very seasonal. A baked nokie and pumpkin recipe we're

(09:42):
gonna share with you very shortly. Kevin melm will kick
us off for our Saturday morning to get the next
sixteen minutes past nine. I'm Jack Tame. This is Newstalk's
He'd be no.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack
Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks b.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Nineteen past nine on News Talks. He'd be thank you
very much for your messages.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Not sure what you're so excited about. Big deal you
used AI for the first time, by the sounds yawn. No,
I've used the chat bots lots. So I've used the
likes of chat GBT and jem and I and ask
some questions, use them for searchers, you know, got them
to write up all sorts of things. But this is
the first time I'd ever got it to code something.
That's the first time i'd ever got it to make

(10:25):
a program, to make an app, to make a website,
and it was impressive. Honestly, it was impressive. Jack. Vibe
coding equals security issues like manage my health, says Bob.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Look, I'm not I'm not really qualified to speak as
to the security status of my vibe coding, but certainly
I think if you were doing anything that was involving
really private information or credit card details, etc. You would
want to make sure you knew what you were doing,
Bob Vehicle ninety two. I'll get to more of your
messages in a few minutes. It's twenty past nine and
Kevin Milne is with us this morning.

Speaker 7 (10:58):
Kevin calder Jack, you know every Saturday morning, I'll get
to my seat a few minutes early to listen to
your piece so that I, well, I always enjoy them,
but also offer some sort of comment at the end
of it, you know, Yeah, add my.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Little bit and you're going to say you have no comment.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
Exactly. I'd love to comment, but I have nothing to
add to what you've said. Well, not a thing, not
a word.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
All I'm trying to say is that if you are
not particularly technical, and I'm I'm I'm I you know,
I would say that I'm like I said about par
for my age, stage and profession, right, so I'm probably
a bit more technical and some of our listeners, and
probably a bit less than some of our listeners as well.
All I'm saying is that the consumer products now are

(11:49):
so good that theoretically anyone can go and build anything.
So you, Kevin, could go and just using English language prompts,
you could write into a box and say build me
Kevinmilne dot com. And here's what I wanted to do,
and you could just write really basic English instructions and
it will go and do it. And we've never been

(12:11):
at a point with technology where you could do that.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, and you.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Just think about the things that opens up to the world,
you know, Yeah, and it's it is quite you know,
it is quite remarkable, honestly.

Speaker 7 (12:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, but yeah, you've been focused on something else this week,
something a little more, a little less cutting edge, but
very much cutting nonetheless. Spearfishing.

Speaker 7 (12:33):
Yeah, yeah, today the North Island spear Fishing Champs have
just got on the underway at nine o'clock this morning
at par Permu Beach, just down the beach from where
I live. I've never done any spear fishing, and clearly
it's not a particularly good spectator sport, but I do
suddenly have an interest. That's because once the fishing ends

(12:57):
at three o'clock and the prizes are presented, all the
fish that's caught goes up for auction and I love
eating fish. Apparently two hundred and fifty to three hundred
and fifty fish are expected to go under the hammer,
as it were. That's the name that's a ton of
fish literally and it should include or some crayfish and kinner.

(13:24):
So what I have in mind is the wander down
by a damn good looking fish that sets out of
the sea, wander back home and barbecue it. You might
be one with Jacob, I know had a fillet of fish.
Well no I don't, but I see that you can
get filleting done for you down there. What I really

(13:45):
like about the event is that all the proceeds of
the auction goes to Marry Potter Hospice, with is a
great organization. I love these fundraisers where you feel more
like you're getting than you're giving. Excuse me, of course,
hats off to all the spearfishes that are taking part
into the cup, the underwater club that are organized at all.

(14:09):
I could never give away any fish that I caught,
so much work involved, so well done to them. I've
never been to a fresh auction before, so I'm looking
forward to heading down to part of Planoma Beats this afternoon.
If any listeners, if you live in the Wellington region,
I look forward to seeing you there at four. And
they don't bit against me if you can. And Jack,

(14:32):
I can't get out of my mind what a reasonable
sized fresh crayfish mightself for an auction.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
I would have thought it's so hard to know. So
first of all, are crayfish going to be there? Because
this is spearfishing, right.

Speaker 7 (14:49):
So yeah, but they know, they say, they say it
shouldn't the auction should include some crayfish in kinner?

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Okay, Well, well I would have thought that the crayfish
I would hope is fetching a higher price in the kinner.
But is I don't know, seventy eighty dollars Is that
too much?

Speaker 7 (15:08):
Yeah, no, no, it's I think if I could grab
one of that radio, i'd be pretty happy. Yeah, reasonable size.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's all. It's all kind of size based,
doesn't it. But yeah, I mean it'd be very interesting
to see how what sort of strategy you have to apply,
you know, if over the course of the auction, if
they stagger things and then things near the end goo
for a lot more than stuff at that you know
early on there's there's always been a game theory involved.
Given that. I'm sure you've yes account, yes, yeah, yeah,

(15:37):
very good.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
Got I've got till four o'clock.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, that'd be great auction.

Speaker 7 (15:42):
One of nice thing to do on a Saturday.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, and as you say, for a really good course given. Hey,
thank you for that. Keep a melm with us this morning,
and thank you very much for your messages. Jack Claude
could possibly be announcing on your radio show five years
from now. Thus many jobs will be getting replaced. It
is hard not to use these systems and imagine that
lots of kind of grunt work, white collar jobs, you know,

(16:04):
like lea assistant jobs. You know, some accurndancy practices are
already kind of heading this way, aren't they. It's hard
to imagine that it's not going to be really disruptive
some of this AI tech, Jack, AI has a serious
trade off of eternal lost privacy and confidentiality which cannot
be trusted, protected or retrieved. And Jack, this country's falling behind.

(16:25):
We need to put billions into AI now, says Ben.
That's where the money is. That's what's going to drive
our economic recovery.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
N two.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
If you want to send us message, Jack at Newstalks
edb dot co dot inz is my email address. The
black Cats really felt like they kind of snatched defeet
from the jaws of victory over and height against England
in the T twenty World Cup. We'll get our sportos
thoughts on that very shortly. Twenty six past.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Nine, getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
Team on News Talks.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Edb past nine on News Talks. He'd be very shortly
we're going to give you your film picks for the weekend.
One of them Holy Days, stars Miriam Marghli's and sit
in New Zealand. So'm looking forward to that. But we're
also going to take a look at how to make
a killing, which is this film starring Glenn Powell and
Margaret Quality, who I said that today the show is
dedicated to Hollywood heart throbs. We've got Carl Leuvan after ten.

(17:20):
I think both Glenn Powell and Margaret Quality qualify as
Hollywood heart throbs. I've actually go I've got a bit
of a thing for Margaret Quality. Always have a bit
of a thing for Margaret Qualley. Anyway, we're going to
share those with you very shortly right now, though our
sporto isn't speaking of heart throves that you were waiting
for me to make that connection. When you said no,
not quite.

Speaker 8 (17:40):
I thought you were going to say heartbreak for the
black catch.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Oh yeah, I just I mean, this is the thing
about T twenty games. I mean that, you know, I
criticize them as being kind of sugar rush cricket, but
they do, they do have the potential for a lot
of drama in a very small period of time. And
you know, it felt like they just they had it.
They were there, they had one foot in the semi finals,

(18:03):
and then Nick minute England had won.

Speaker 8 (18:04):
They certainly did, and they have T twenty games. If
they're a good T twenty game on a good pitch,
they or even a pitch like last night where it
was turning a mile or very slow. T twenty games
have a lot of momentum shifts, even from over to over,
and that's what I think attracts a fair few people
to them. Look, New Zealand won the toss. To say,

(18:25):
did the bat first one fifty nine, which was about
part in Colombo, But they were probably ten or fifteen shy.
No one really got a big score. They got starts.
Glenn Phillips top scored with thirty nine. It was his
night until I'll explain in a moment the end, So
one fifty nine Mitchell Center at the end couldn't really

(18:47):
get going like he did in the previous game, probably
a six or two shy then, but but but but
the England chasing one sixty there were and all sorts
of bother was at six or seven down for two,
with Locky Ferguson and Matt Henry the fast bowlers striking
early as they did in the previous match. Then Glenn Phillips,
the part time spinner. Now first ball he gets Harry Brook,

(19:09):
who's the most dangerous English batsman. Then he takes an
incredible diving straightforward or diving forwards catch in the outfield,
and it really seemed then like it was Glenn Phillips Knight.
He's an exciting cricket to watch. He's like the energizer Bunny.
But England then needed sixty off thirty balls, so sixty

(19:30):
off the last five overs. Glenn Phillips bowls are eighteenth
over and concedes twenty two runs. Good night, pretty much
game over. England wins it with a couple balls to
spare it. Such a shame because New Zealand had played well.
They dug themselves out of a couple of holes. Will

(19:50):
Jacks and rein armored guys that we don't know too
much about in this part of the world. Couple of
all spinning, all round us for England, they saw them home.
But again sums up t twenty cricket, Glenn Phillips the hero,
top scoring, then taking a key wicket, then a diving
catch and then he bowls the I think over and
they took they took him to part apart. Rather, I'm

(20:13):
not too sure why. In hindsight it's a wonderful thing.
Maybe it would have been better to bowl Matt Henry
a lockey Ferguson for the last couple of overs. Yes,
the wicket was slow year the spinners were dominating, but
maybe against past bowling the two Englishmen might have might
have struggled a bit. However, that means now New Zealand

(20:33):
still in with a chance of making the Semis. Tomorrow
Pakistan play Sri Lanka. Pakistan has to beat Sri Lanka
and convincingly to overtake the black CAP's net run rate
and make it to the Semis. So still with the
firm chants the black Caps. But then they would have
to go and play South Africa, it seems in India,

(20:55):
and that's that would be one stiff assignment. However, as
we mentioned time and time again t twenty, cricket becomes
a bit of a crapshoot in these tournaments at this
level and anything's possible, much so.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
So Super Rugby last night was definitely a night for
the Australian teams.

Speaker 8 (21:10):
Force King, but concerning a mate, Red's beat Thehighlands of
Brisbane not totally unexpected. I think the Highland is of
only one there four times in thirty years, the Force
in poker Koe against Mowana thirty five nineteen. At one
end of the table, you've got two very good Ossie teams,
the Brumbies and the Warrtars. I think Joe Schmidt's hard

(21:34):
work not only is Wallaby's coach, but a man who's
helped out some of these super rugby teams in Australia.
I think his hard work is paying off. The Brumbies
and Warrtars should be there at the pointy end. The
round three table, though at the moment, has a very
familiar look to it, with the Drewer, Mowana and the
Force pretty much down the bottom, along with the Crusaders

(21:59):
who played the Chiefs and Hamilton tonight.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, that's gonna be a big one, big one. Yeah,
all right, Chiefs Crusaders seven o'clock tonight, The Canes Versus
The Drawer at four thirty five, and Brumby's Blues nine
thirty five. Thank you, sir Andrew Sevil our sport over
there twenty six to ten your film picks for this weekend.

Speaker 8 (22:14):
Next I'll pla to see any of the best for
last Would you breathe it be there you are?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
That's say, even the flood solitaries that's pretty.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
I'm just switching in ways are my actions?

Speaker 9 (22:26):
Letting anythings that week and.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
News talks about me with Jack Tame that's Narles Barclay.
Got a new album coming out later this week March six,
what's that Friday of this week? Twenty three minutes to ten.
Thank you very much for your feedback this morning morning, Jack.
I do wonder if schools have been pushing coding and
programming as subjects have been wasting their time. My seventeen
year old didn't choose those options, as he said, he

(22:52):
can just do it all online anyway. Yeah. Yeah, one
hundred percent of really feels like an education. We've been
saying kids need to learn the code for the last
fifteen or twenty years, and all of a sudden it's like,
oh no, you can have it zero coding experience, and
you can just use these new AI systems and you'll
be able to achieve the same thing. Dean has flicked
me an email, as he so often does on Saturday mornings,

(23:15):
Very much appreciated.

Speaker 10 (23:16):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Progress rarely comes from big bangs, but far more often
the cumulative effects of seemingly minor improvements exponentially build upon themselves,
so that when we look back we cannot believe we
used to do things the way we did. Coding easily
lends itself to AI, as so much of it as
taking an existing template and adapting it to similarly themed
new instances. Thanks Dean ninety two ninety two. If you

(23:39):
want to see me your message this morning, Jacket Newstalk
said b dot co dot nz is the email address
that Dean just email. Francesca Rudkin is here with our
film picks for this weekend. Guilder god more Nan.

Speaker 11 (23:50):
Yes, my daughter taught herself to coach. She can whip
you up a website if you want very good.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
I mean, that's great, so she will I mean the
one thing I would saying.

Speaker 11 (23:58):
But if she does that, you can you can teach yourself.

Speaker 7 (24:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
So if I have zeroing experience and I can now
code with AI, then your daughter, with some coding experience
and knowing what she's doing will be able to achieve
so much more than I can.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
That's what I forget.

Speaker 10 (24:15):
Possibly.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah. Anyway, two films for this weekend. The first one
is showing in cinemas. Let's have a listen to Miriam
Marghalie's in Holy Days.

Speaker 10 (24:25):
Brian Collins, what have you done this too?

Speaker 4 (24:30):
Here on?

Speaker 10 (24:31):
And you're still no closer to accepting his mother's punt.

Speaker 12 (24:36):
He's about to change around here, places falling apart, But
they can't just send us away.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Patricia's got the deeds to the convent.

Speaker 13 (24:44):
Why don't we just gonna get them? Yes?

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Indeed, that is a new Zealand accent. You just heard
it is.

Speaker 14 (24:51):
This is an adaptation of Joy Carby's novel. It's adapted
and directed by Natalie Bolt. This is her debut feature
and I'm very impressed because she managed to get Miriam Marghalies,
Jackie Weaver and Judy Davis, three very well known actresses
to start in this film as these lovely three nuns

(25:12):
who live at this very sort of run down rural nunnery,
and they discover that the church has decided that there
it's quite profitable the land that they're sitting on, and they're.

Speaker 11 (25:24):
Looking to sell it to a property developer and move
the old birds on.

Speaker 14 (25:28):
But the old birds decide maybe they're not really ready
to leave this community which they have looked after for
many many.

Speaker 11 (25:34):
Years and still do.

Speaker 14 (25:36):
And we have a lovely young character and here played
by Elijah Tummody. He plays the little Colin's boy and
he is a local and.

Speaker 11 (25:43):
A very regular visit visitor to the nuns. He is
coping with the loss of his mother and his father
moving on.

Speaker 14 (25:53):
He's met this loving new woman and they sort of,
you know, it looks like she might become his stepmother.
And he's really not coping. And these three nuns take
him under, take him under their wing and kind of
look after him and things. So where when they discover
that there is this plot to sell a band, they
decide to go off on a bit of an adventure
on a road trip to find the deed, which just

(26:14):
happens to be down on the South Island and also
happens to be where where Brian's mother is originally from.
So he goes on a little bit of a journey
to try and deal with his grief and things. We've
got these wonderful three nuns who hit the road haven't
really driven a car for quite a while, and it's
just a colorful, heart felt film about loss and family

(26:39):
and community and moving on but also courage about citing
for what's right.

Speaker 11 (26:43):
We've got these really sort of quiet rebels at the
helm here. It's really sweet and it's really fun. As
I said, colorful use of animation in it as well,
just tried to make a little bit more sort of
visually interesting and things. So yeah, very sweet little number.

Speaker 14 (26:58):
And it also does this is a Canadian New Zealand
co production, but also starts some fabulous New Zealand talent.
Craig Callers in there, Johnny Bruff is in as well,
and Elijah is just light.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, oh very good.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Watch.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Okay, that's cool. So that's Holy Days. It's showing in
cinemas at the moment. Next up, also showing at the movies,
This is How to Make a Killing.

Speaker 15 (27:20):
There were seven of them, seven rich pricks between myself
and twenty eight billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
If I were to prove a few branches of the
family tree.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Okay, that's how to make a killing. Starring Glenn Powell
and Margaret Wally.

Speaker 14 (27:47):
Yes, So this is a revenge black comedy. It's loosely
based on the nineteen forty nine British film Kind, Hearts
and Coronets, which was loosely based on a nineteen oh
seven novel, and they've sort of transported this story into modern.

Speaker 10 (28:02):
Day New York.

Speaker 11 (28:03):
I like Glenn Powell. I think he's sort of he's
got that star quality.

Speaker 14 (28:10):
He's getting type casts a little bit as great in
the romantic comedy or this or that, but he does
take risks, and he has taken a risk with this film.
This is from the writer director of Emily the Criminal,
which was a great little thriller that starred Aubrew Plaza.
This film also stars tober Grace and Ed Harris. It's
a fantastic cast. So you've got a great writer director,

(28:32):
you've got a great cast on board. And I was thinking, awesome,
this is going to fight. But it doesn't quite. It's
just a little lackluster.

Speaker 11 (28:39):
It's got all the ingredients just doesn't quite work, and
I wonder whether.

Speaker 14 (28:43):
It's following close on the heels of no other choice,
because it's a slightly similar idea. Here we met this character,
Beckett Redfellow. He's in prison. It becomes clear as he's
given his confessional before he's about to be executed, that.

Speaker 11 (28:56):
He's a member of a very wealthy family.

Speaker 14 (28:58):
He was outcast as his entire life because his mother
got pregnant and his father said, well, if you decide
to keep the baby, you need to leave the high
and he he gets a point in his life where
he goes, actually, I'm going to go after what's mine
and my inheritance and live the life my mother always
told me I should. And he decides the way to
do that is to kill off his family till he's
the only one left, and.

Speaker 11 (29:17):
Hear it, so off we go.

Speaker 14 (29:19):
Look, there's some great cameos in here. They take the
you know, the mickey out of wealthy people, but really
have just kind of created caricatures.

Speaker 11 (29:29):
They're not nice people. But then also I don't know
whether they quite deserve to die. So I'm not sure.

Speaker 14 (29:34):
Whether I'm not sure whether I'm on board plan here
and have any sympathy for him.

Speaker 11 (29:41):
There some really nice twists and turns and lies. Looked
to myself, Oh, here we go, here we goes, It's
gonna be awesome. But they just kind of faded.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, yeah, okay, it didn't quite work. Yeah, very good.
All right, that's a bit disappointing because I saw that
line up and thought that could be amazing total yeah, astonishing. Yeah,
you know, I mentioned it to Libby. I said, are
you a fan of Glen Powell and Margaret Whalli? He
is a big Glen power flan has to be said
with Libby. But Margaret Qually, you know, she said, she
says she likes that Margaret Quality doesn't have iPhone face.

(30:10):
Have you heard of iPhone face? What's iPhone face? I'd
never heard of it either. The iPhone face is apparently
a phenomenon used to describe generally actresses. But you know,
actors and actresses who appear in period dramas but clearly
are having like filler and botox and stuff to kind
of meet modern beauty standards, so they end up looking

(30:33):
a lot more like movie stars of twenty twenty six,
who are in the Instagram iPhone age, rather than people
from the eighteen hundreds. You know, so she appreciates that
Margaret Quality doesn't have iPhone face, which I thought was
a peculiar way of we're all moving.

Speaker 11 (30:52):
Does that just apply to if you're in a period
film or would it apply across the board.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Do you think I think iPhone face can apply to anyone,
but specifically specifically people complain about iPhone face when they
see iPhone face in period dramas. Yeah, that's my understanding.
You're not exactly asking the experts here. We need to
get Leboon just to explain yourself. But yeah, yeah, anyway,
there you go. I could just imagine seeing that as

(31:19):
a line, you know how they have the lines on
the bottom of the of the big movie posters. Margaret
Qualley doesn't have iPhone face. Yeah, I hey, thanks so much.
Those films again, How to Make a Killing and Holy Days,
both of them are showing in cinemas at the moment.
More details on the news talks, he'd be websites.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Saturday morning with Jack Team. Keep him a conversation going
through the weekend US talks.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
That'd be twelve minutes to ten. Our cook Nicky Works
is here with a delicious hearty sounding recipe for us
this Saturday morning.

Speaker 16 (31:50):
Ha nikey Okay, it's so autumnal. This this jack is
so autumnal. And I mean, I don't know about you,
but it feels as though the year is just about
to ramp up.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (32:03):
So I am just on easy, fast dinners at the moment,
even ones that can be frozen if possible and then
reheat it. It's crazy. So I've had this three times
in the last about ten days, baked baked Nylocki and pumpkin,
And let me tell you and our listeners, it is
just so great and it's so easy because I used

(32:25):
pre bought Nyoki. I know, who knew I would do
such a thing. Wow, Really, I don't really economical, it's
unbelievably economical. You can buy these packs of Nyoki. And
I tried it last night with gluten free because I
had a gluten free gift over and the gluten freen
Yochi was fan clastic as well. And honestly, about six

(32:46):
dolls three ninety five are packet and its seeds six apparently,
so it was just great. So here you got the
oven two hundred threes. So I like to get nice
and hot with fan bake. I'm using buttonuts because buttonut
and all other pumpkins are in at the moment, and
I just love pumpkin.

Speaker 13 (33:04):
Gosh.

Speaker 16 (33:04):
I love pumpkin, and it's is getting to be a
bit cheaper, So cut it into large bite sized pieces,
and then I toss that with a red onion that
I've sliced thinley and half a caps can. Toss it
in a bit of oil and season it well and
either fry it off in a pan until those sort
of onions are started, you know, have sort of cooked
through or roasted off in a tray in the oven.
But it just takes a bit longer if you do
it that way. Take a nice big ovenproof dish. This

(33:27):
feeds two whiskin half a cup of cream fresh or
sour cream with about three quarters of a cup of
liquid vegetable stock and rosemary. So whenever I've served this
dish to people, they say, oh, did you make a beshmale,
And I say, no, I didn't, So you just whisk this.
It's a really easy kind of sauce way to get
a nice little sauce tumble in your KNOCKI and Yoki YOCKI,

(33:49):
I should say, and I use about sort of half
or a third of the packet. You don't do anything
to it beforehand, to straight out of the packet and
into the tray, add a few handfuls of spinach leaves,
and then you roasted vegetables, toss those all together, and
then sprinkle the whole lot with I've been using a
combo of blue cheese and grated cheddar, and then you
bake it uncovered and all of that for about twenty

(34:10):
twenty five minutes, and it is beautiful. I think that
when we try and boil in your key, well sometimes
we end up with little rubber bullets. Yeah, and they're
not as much fun as you'd think, but honestly baking
and they just turn out to be fluffy and fantastic.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
It sounds so good.

Speaker 16 (34:28):
Yeah, it's really good. It's really good. You could put
some chopped Dutch eat so in it, if you put
chopped up anything in it.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Nick, dimensional come on, that's all right, I am, that's okay, no, no,
no no, But it's.

Speaker 16 (34:43):
Really really fantastic. And every time I've served it to somebody,
they have thought that I put in a lot more
effort than I actually did, and It's just a good
one for when we're starting to get a bit but
there and when those evenings are a little bit cooler,
so we perhaps feel like something just a little bit heartier.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
What about what about a few little toasted pine nuts
on top?

Speaker 16 (35:00):
Oh that sounds lovely. So I was going for economy,
but look at you.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
This is the well, this is the thing. You can
have the economy option, but then you can with just
a little you know, a little slight of hand. Yeah, exactly,
you can it out and give the impression.

Speaker 16 (35:16):
Oh yeahel you could do all of that.

Speaker 13 (35:19):
Hey.

Speaker 16 (35:19):
Now, I also have a quick question for you. I
am walking the route Bourn track, coming right up. Yeah,
I want to know you're a tramper. What sort of
food do you take when you're away on a tramp?
Do you do the dehydrated or it depends on how
long I'm going.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, I'm not opposed to the dehydrated yep, So I
reckon salami is a great option for when you're when
you're dropping because at last and you don't need to
worry about stuff. And I'm a big fan of oats,
so oats in the morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just like
porridge to start the day because it's easier to travel.
A little goes a long way, and that because it's
low GI you know, so it burns slowly in light exactly.

Speaker 16 (35:58):
And you could actually just soak them the night before,
couldn't you.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, And then.

Speaker 10 (36:03):
You've got the birch.

Speaker 16 (36:03):
You don't have to waste that pot in the morning.
You're making it a teat Okay, yep, So those.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Are my Those are my two things. But I'm personally
not opposed to to the dehydrated option. The one thing
I would say is that often they often like I
feel like I need two you know, they're not sufficient
for like one thing that's sufficient. That would be my
one complaint. The other option, and this is a bit
of a tame favorite, is you can go to the

(36:31):
I mean, Rubert might work for but you can go
to the supermarket and you can get those like pre
made pastas in a packet that are about three bucks,
like a Watties one or something like that. Look, they're
not you know, they're not Hawk Cuisine. They're not the
fanciest thing in the world. But if you need quick energy,
they go a long way. They're really easy to heat up.

Speaker 11 (36:51):
And they go a long way, So that's because they're
already sort of predna.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, and they're about three bucks honestly, like three dollars
or something like that. So yeah, that could be a
smarther little tip.

Speaker 16 (37:00):
I knew you were the person to talk to because
I know you've done a lot of hiking in your life,
where as I am a complete novel.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Are you gonna love It'll be amazing, especially at this
time of the year. Oh, I can't wait to hear
it goes. Yeah, God, Okay, look forward to your reporting.

Speaker 16 (37:16):
Your family's gonna love.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
It too, right, Okay, we'll make sure that recipe is
up and available on the news talks Heb website, newstalks
heb dot co dot nz ford slash Jack for everything
from our showing you.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
The inside scoop on all you need to know Saturday
Morning with Jack Team News Talks be.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
I've had so many messages this hour, so thank you
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me a really good one to say Jack. First of all,
I love AI, but I want to shed some light
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It's sped up my work no end, but I know
from experience that it can get things frighteningly wrong. As
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(37:58):
and they can't determine if something is right or wrong.
And with that, if you have enough knowledge, you'll spot it.
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Vibe coding, however, is quite dangerous because, as you said,
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(38:19):
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we've got your screen time picks shows to watch your
stream from the comfort of your camps this weekend, including
the America's Next Top Model documentary That's just at Netflix,

(38:40):
and our feature interview right after the News Kiwi Hollywood
legend Carl Urban on his brand new film The Bluff.
It's Almost ten News is next the Saturday Morning I'm
Jack Tame. This is news Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack
Team News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
What any of you with Jactatim on News Talks he'd
be Carl Urban has been on our screens for about
three decades now. He made history on Shortened Street as
the first openly gay character, and he was introduced to
the world as a writer of Rohan in Peter Jackson's
Lord of the Rings. Carl's varied acting career has taken

(39:45):
him all around the world. That sent him work with
some Hollywood legends, and in his latest film, The Bluff,
he teamed up with Prianca Chopra Jones for the nineteenth
century action thriller following a former pirate who attempts to
keep her family safe when her old captain seeks revenge.

Speaker 6 (40:03):
No one leaves the silnce.

Speaker 13 (40:05):
I collect my property.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
Why did you contrain me?

Speaker 3 (40:09):
You think I would just learn you to slip away?

Speaker 4 (40:16):
Bloody, bloody Mary.

Speaker 17 (40:18):
I'm told you have a beautiful new family.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
They know who you really are.

Speaker 10 (40:24):
I'm still your mother and I will do anything in
my power to protect you.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Karl Urban is with us this morning.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Caled a good morning, Good Morning Jack, how are you.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
Thank you so much for having me on the show.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
It's great to have you here, great to be speaking
with you. And congratulations on the Bluff. I can't say
this for every film, but it really looked like it
would have been a hell of a lot of fun
to make this film. So what drew you to the Bluff?

Speaker 6 (40:53):
Yeah, you know, it was a lot of fun to make.
You know. What drew me to the film was well,
two things. Firstly, it was the story itself. I found
it quite intriguing and I was drawn to, you know,
this sort of pirate story. It's a story about a
woman who is defending her family from her nefarious past.

(41:16):
And I play the nefarious past, and I play a
character called Captain Connor, who is a former East India
Trading Company captain who has basically been outlawed. He was
betrayed by the Empire, betrayed by his lover and partner,
and you know, kind of ostracized. And and to me,

(41:36):
that was a very fertile kind of ground to launch
this story. And and and it was it was a
lot of fun when you.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Think about the kind of continuum of heroes and bad guys,
and I know that, you know that probably reduces things
to being a little bit too binary, But you have
played beloved heroes over the years. It strikes me that
that Billy Butcher is kind of an anti hero of sorts.
So where do you think that Captain Connor kind of
sits on that continuum?

Speaker 6 (42:04):
Well, listen, I mean he's a bad guy. There's no pirates,
And I think that's one of the the good things
about the bluff is that, you know, you know, we've
become accustoms a lot of sort of comedic takes on it,
you know, our action takes. You know, this this is
a kind of a gritty look at some of the
right the reality that these were bad men that you know,
the brutal things. But you know, you know, to me,

(42:27):
I think that you know, this film it just it
fires on all cylinders, like it's a lit fuse. It's
like once it starts, it's relentless and it doesn't give up.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, it's there's certainly a lot of action. Like you
you're minutes in and you're completely gripped because everything is
happening on screen. And I think you're right to say
that these are they're not like upstanding members of society necessarily.
It's like, it's not the least violent film I've ever seen.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
Yeah, no, it's you could definitely say that. I think
what was important for me as an actor is to
like always try and find a positive psychology to put
behind the character. And I find that helps if I
know why I'm doing or I have a goal or
a purpose. And then this case, you know, all what
the character wanted was the freedom to live in the
world that he helped build, and so you know that helps.

(43:17):
If I can align myself psychologically with what the character's
goals are, then it helps me to really commit to,
you know, whatever the characters required to.

Speaker 7 (43:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Right, So this was filmed in Australia, but the name
the Bluff comes from those incredible cliffs that came and
Rack and when I first saw them in the film,
having never seen them before, I immediately had to google
does this place actually exist? It's such a remarkable kind
of kind of physical landscape. Did you have an opportunity
to actually visit?

Speaker 6 (43:46):
No, sadly I haven't. But you know, we were blessed
on this film with having our director Frank Flowers actually
be from the Cayman Islands and he kind of really
you know, imbued the film with a whole lot of knowledge,
specific knowledge that sort of really kind of enriched I
guess the tapestry, But I would love to go there
one day. It just it looks so extraordinarily beautiful. And

(44:06):
I met a lot of people on this shoot who
were from the Cayman Islands and the wonderful people. So
as soon as I get the opportunity, I definitely will
will take it.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, it's a remarkable landscape. It's like a screensaver good landscape.
You know, It's like you look at it and you're
like that, truly that's not a real place, and then
that's not real.

Speaker 7 (44:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Yeah, and then Love and Behold. So obviously you're starting
alongside Prianka Chovra Jones. But as well as that, I
don't know what it is about keyw WE actors. They
just have a habit of kind of ending up in
these amazing scenarios. To give it you're offside or as
Tim a waird to Morrison in this film. So how
was it playing a swashbuckling pirate alongside Tim.

Speaker 6 (44:43):
Yeah, it was like, firstly, it was really important for me.
I was an advocate of having time on board, and
I was so delighted when he came on board. And
you know, Tim is one of those iconic New Zealand
actors you know that inspired a generation. He's a trailblazer.
You know, when I think of actors who have inspired
me in my career, this Sam Neil, the great Bruno Lawrence,

(45:04):
you know, you know, Russell Crown set the bar and
then Tim Morrison with once More Warriors. And to have
the opportunity to go toe to toe with him and
just to have him on set and for him to
bring his his wealth of knowledge and experience really enriched
the film. I mean there was actually a point in
the movie where his contribution was you know, I felt

(45:28):
really added such an incredible depth to it. Like he
he was adamant that his characters should you know, suffer
a loss, a loss of his son, and from that
point in the movie everything wraps up. And so I
think that, you know, we were really blessed to have
him on this on this movie. And yeah, that's a

(45:49):
great guy.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
He advocated to have Tim do you tell him, do
you do you ever say to him, you know, take
him aside and say, you know, for what it's worth
you know, we're here, we're fighting the good fight or
the bad fight sometimes in this film together. But so
you know, you know, two decades ago, three decades ago,
you were someone who had a massive impact on me.

Speaker 6 (46:11):
Oh, he knows. I mean because I knew. I've known
Tim for a very long time. We worked together a
very long time ago, and you know, he was always
very generous with his during the in the Once Warriors
days with offering his vice and I always remember him goes,
plant those boots, boy, plant those boots. And so fast
forward all these years in my career as you know,
gone where it's gone and hiss. You know, he's done

(46:33):
so many wonderful performances and to have the opportunity to
you know, to work with him again and it was
it was really special for me.

Speaker 13 (46:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Am I right in thinking that your son and he
was involved with this too?

Speaker 6 (46:46):
That's correct?

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, how is that?

Speaker 10 (46:49):
It was great?

Speaker 6 (46:50):
It was like you know, I mean, he's sort of
my son. He's been on film sets his whole life
to one degree or another. And I did a film
before this called Mortal Kombat too, and the film producer
came up to me in Sittleton. Do you think you know,
your son would be interested in being a young version
of of Johnny Cage. And I went, I'll ask him,
and I asked him and he said yes, he'd do it.

(47:11):
And he came and he smashed it out of the
park and he was like, my god, this is amazing.
I want to be an actor. And I'm like, well,
slowed down, why don't.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
You cont those boots? Plant those boots? Yeah, canet part
of it.

Speaker 6 (47:22):
I was the opposite. I'm like, well, listen, just not
get carried away, come on the bluff. Be an extra work,
you know, every day for six, seven, eight weeks, get
up at four in the morning, you know, work a
ten and twelve hour day, and then see how you
feel because a lot of it's waiting around, a lot
of it's not getting used. But he absolutely loved it,
and I think he really, you know, took to the

(47:46):
culture and the creative process of working with everybody from
every department, whether it's camera, wardrobe and working with other actors.
You know, great other actors that are coming through in
New Zealand. There's another young guy, Jordan, who's in our movie.
Hugely tell him to go. Brought it from day one

(48:07):
and New Zealand actor. So yeah, so he's going for it.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Having had that full, kind of wholesome experience of the
early starts and the graft and the waiting and everything else.
He's still keen.

Speaker 6 (48:20):
He is, Yeah, No, he's he's He studied at South
Seas last year and he's already landed his first role
in a television show, a copro that's happening in New
Zealand at the moment. So and I'd love the opportunity
to work with him again one day. I think he's
actually far more naturally gifted at his age. He's twenty
now than I was at that age.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
So yeah, how good?

Speaker 7 (48:42):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I think the fifth and final season of The Boys
heads our way in a couple of months, I think April.
It's currently slated for broadcast in New Zealand. It has
had astonishing success, like crazy success. So how has it
been wrapping the production on The Boys after all of
these years and after what has been extraordinary?

Speaker 6 (49:03):
It was, Yeah, it was a bit of sweet. It
was amazing to really be able to go out in
our own terms, to tell a story over a period
of five seasons, to have a succinct beginning, middle and
end and yeah, it was a bit of sweet. I'm
really going to miss that cast and that crew. Really
phenomenally talented people and we've you know, become so close

(49:25):
over the years. I will miss Toronto in the summer,
not so much. In the winter. It's brutal. Just some days,
like you know, you're shooting on set in Toronto and
winter it's minus you know, fifteen degrees and it's just
tears are rolling out of your eyes because that's what
they do when it's that cold. So yeah, it's it's
just just to deliver something to an audience that's invested

(49:48):
and it's been so supportive of the show, and I'm
excited for them to see where it all ends up.

Speaker 13 (49:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Well, look, thank you so much for your time. Congratulations
on the Bluff. We hope to see your home sometime soon.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
Thank you, Jack. Yeah, I'll be home soon.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
It's Carl Urban, so good. The Bluff is streaming on
Prime Video now. We've got all the details up on
the newstalgs 'DB website. Right now, it is eighteen minutes
past ten, so before eleven o'clock on Newstalks 'DB. We've
got some tips on getting your tomatoes to last just
a little bit later in season, I reckon, I need
to start staggering my tomatoes. I actually ripped out my

(50:24):
tomato plants this week. They were done, the cucumbers still going,
the caps can still going, basil still going. Tomatoes have
done though, so I thinking maybe I need to start
staggering them. Anyway, We're going to get our man in
the garden's tips on doing just that as well as
that will catch up with our tech Burt and I've
been vibe coding on this clawed code system which is

(50:44):
owned by Anthropic, which is one of the big AI companies,
but now it is in a pretty big face off
with the US Department of War. So our Textburt will
explain why very shortly. Next up though your screen time
picks for this weekend nineteen past ten. You're with Jack Tame.
This is Newstalk's ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Start your weekend off the right way. Saturday morning with
Jack dam News Talks EVY.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Twenty two minutes past ten, Carl Pushman is here with
this week's screen time picks shows to watch or stream
from the comfort of your catch gid A. Carl, Hi, Jack, Hey,
let's start off with the keenly anticipated reality check inside
America's Next Top Model, which is streaming on Netflix.

Speaker 18 (51:29):
Yeah, there's been a bit of a trend recently to
deep dive into those naughties era reality shows that we
all remember. Last year was Fit for TV The Reality
of the Biggest Loser, and now this three part series
goes beyond the glamour to reveal what was really going
on behind the scenes of what was arguably the biggest
reality juggernaut of that era. For such a frivolous topic.
America's Next Top Model was a hot mess of controversy,

(51:52):
most of its stemming from its host, series creator and
X Top Model Tyra Banks, but a lot of it
to also do with the production of the series itself
and how little it actually cared about its contestants. To
Tyra Banks's credit, she does face up to the documentary makers.
She sort of swaps between her breathless TV speech patterns
and also just talking normally like a normal human being,

(52:14):
depending on the line of questioning she's facing at the time.
The intentions behind the series, which ran for a decade,
was watched by over one hundred million people at its peak,
which is insanely massive and even spawned our own local
version here you might remember We're initially honorable. She relates
how important it was for her that there was ethnic
diversity between the contestants, and how she really wanted to

(52:35):
challenge the conventional norms of what was considered beautiful at
the time. To that end, the show's producer describes a
meeting with a network Big Cheese, one of the most
powerful men of Hollywood, when and watching mortified as Banks
got into a heated and passionate argument with him because
he didn't want to have a latina contestant on the
show before the show was even greenlit. It's worth noting

(52:55):
that Banks did lose that fight. She's there and it's
quite an interesting story seeing how that she made this
vision happen. Along with Banks, the cast you remembers mostly
all here. The two Jay's Catwalk trainer Miss Jay and
the creative director j Manuel are both on hand to
discuss how rare it was to have queer representation in
that era, and also not so quietly revel in the

(53:16):
fact that their double act was more popular than Tyra Banks.
The photographer Nigel Barker also pops up to cheerfully admit
he was only there as a token straight white male
and as network man dated Ye Candy for the viewership.
But despite whatever honorable intentions Banks claims to have had,
the show did quickly become a toxic environment filled with bullying, exploitation,

(53:36):
and men girl behavior on screen. And the documentary goes
into all of that. The former contestants all get their
chance to tell their sides of the stories, and there's
a lot of tears and horrific stories coming through compared
to the cheerful recollections of the hosts. More often than not,
their time on Top Model was downright ugly, and they

(53:57):
tell you all about it. So it's a very compelling documentary.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Yeah, this sounds great, It sounds really interesting. It sounds
grad in that it's men managed to first of all,
get input from the likes of Tyra Banks and the
other stars of that show, but also to try and
to try and balance, you know, some of the arguably
more honorable components of the show. It's just amazing though
in the same way that you know, when we watched
the like I went back and watched the Biggest Loser

(54:24):
documentary last year for what was it called Funning Fit
or something like that. What was it called can you
remember ye.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
TV?

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Yeah, and it's like, oh my god, this was okay,
like we allowed this to go on TV. Like no
one really battered much of an eyelid. I'm sure there
was a bit of criticism at the time, but largely
just it's a it's a good reminder of how in
a relatively short period of time, cultural norms and standards change.

(54:53):
And I think, yeah, it could be quite shocking, you think,
because you know, there's only ten or fifteen years ago
and it's totally by today's standards, it's totally inappropriate.

Speaker 18 (55:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's that's a big takeaway from
the show because there are some of the bigger controversies,
which we won't going to now, they are shown here,
and the effect on the people involved are shown, and
there is just no way any of that would fly,
let alone the bullying and the discussing how they were
discussed on screen, the contestants. It's it's yeah, it would

(55:25):
not fly.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
The body standard stuff a especially you know, these women
who are you know, incredibly slight being described as overweight
and stuff like that, just totally chubby and yeah, just
like anyway, yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:39):
It really is.

Speaker 18 (55:40):
So it is a good reminder that things, no matter
how bad things feel we have, there has been some progression.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Yeah, yeah, things, things have certainly changed. Yeah, so that
sounds really interesting. So that's reality check Inside America's Next
Top Model. It's streaming on Netflix, streaming on Prime Video.
Tell us about Man on the Run.

Speaker 18 (55:56):
Well, the last few years have been great. I've been
fab for Beatles fans. So Pete released his astounding epic
eight hour hangout documentary Get Back. There was the remastered
rerelease of the nineties Beatles anthology trilogy, and just last
year mardin School Safey produced documentary movie Beatles sixty four
came out. This new one, Man on the Run takes
a different tack. It focuses on Bassis Paul McCartney's life

(56:17):
in the aftermath of the band's breakup and the formation
of his follow up band Wings. This was most famously
described by Steve Coogan's comic creation Alan Partridge as only
the band the Beatles could have been, which I think
is a great lis. Now Wings went without their hits.
They had Jet Live and Let Die, the entire Band
on the Run album, But they're also responsible for a

(56:38):
ton of clangers like bit pop and the awful atrocious
Mary had a Little Lamb. McCartney was quite lost during
this era, and the documentary shows the effect that the breakup.

Speaker 6 (56:48):
Had on him.

Speaker 18 (56:49):
He retreated up into the Highlands on his farm, and
he found himself wanting that family camaraderie of a band
that close family feeling that he once felt, so he
started to put together wings. But as the docco shows,
everyone involved was well aware that there was a beetle
in their mists, so the band'socracy was not as democratic
as perhaps.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
He idealized it to be.

Speaker 18 (57:11):
As expected, there is a ton of amazing archival footage
and never seen before photos things like that, and McCartney
is pretty candid. He reflects on his beef with former
songwriting partner and ex bestie John Lennon. He talks about
the time he threw a bucket at a paparazzi photographer
and made it fans his farm, talks about almost drowning
on holiday as a rest in Japan for smuggling pot
into the country. All sorts of those topics and touch

(57:33):
point we've all heard about, but now we get to
hear him recollecting about. There's also other voices his late
wife from the McCartney is present throughout as a former
Wings members, talking about how they felt initially and then
how their experiences kind of sailed a little bit. Sean
Lennon turns up McJagger, people like that, and it's all
through new and archival interviews. None of them are seen

(57:55):
on screen. It does that familiar trope now where you
just hear the voices sort of talking as footage plays out,
but it's still very compelling. At around two hours, it
does cover a lot of ground, but stockers of this type,
it's more a loose overview as it quickly goes through
all these touch points. As a big Beatles fan, there

(58:16):
was some new stuff that was revealed to me, but
I would have liked a little bit more in depth
examination to those big, bigger points that does talk about,
like his solo albums Ram being a flop and how
that affected him. You know, it's a great album making
McCartney one and two, which are really really good, So
it's great, but I would have liked certain moments just
to get a little bit in depth. You know, we

(58:36):
were sort of spoilt by that Sir Pete's get back.
That was just amazing, so now that's that's that the
bar has been set. But of course eight hours it's
hard for anything to.

Speaker 19 (58:46):
Really connect with Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, that sounds good though,
I mean and one for one for like for Beatles
fans might still find themselves pleasantly surprised by seeing some
new images and that kind of thing.

Speaker 8 (58:57):
Yes, and all the.

Speaker 18 (58:58):
Stuff of him talking about has beef with Linen and
there how they made up. And there's also you know
interviews that I had before of Lenen talking about they're
fighting and they're getting back and how they were still
like brothers and you know, things like that. So there
is a lot there, and I would recommend it for
Beagles fans and also to someone curious to see what
that period was like and how one of the biggest

(59:18):
rock stars in the world suddenly found himself adrift and
out of step with musically what was happening at the time,
and occasionally getting it right, but often getting it quite
wrong as well. It's very fascinating.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Okay, good. So that's Man on the Run that's on
Prime Video. Carl's first pick for us was Reality Check
Inside America's Next Top Model, which is on Netflix, and
both of those will be up on our website right now.
It's ten thirty.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News Talks by the.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Word It's Time and it Hub. You were jactating twenty

(01:00:13):
seven to eleven down under his biggest party, Electric Avenue,
got underway in christ UT's yesterday and thousands have descended
upon the Three ninety thousand people are attending Electric Avenue
across two days yesterday and today. That's less than half
of the two hundred thousand people that tried to get
their hands on a ticket though. It just shows you

(01:00:33):
how incredibly popular this festival has become. And of course
the draw card for so many who were trying to
get their hands on tickets was the reunion of New
Zealand's art rock legend Split Ends last night. In their
first performance in nearly twenty years, Tim and Neil, Eddie
Rayner and Noel Crombie, joined by Matt eccles and James Milne,

(01:00:54):
regrouped with trademark Flamboyance on the festival's main stage. Our
music reviewer is there. Of course, he seems to get
into every single gig going. He's going to join us
before midday to all things electric AIRV. I think if
your messages stacks of text and emails this morning, Jack,
I would love to put the star on the New

(01:01:14):
Zealand Walk of Fame for Keith Urban for all of
the fantastic work he's done, says Gary. Thanks for that, Gary,
ninety two ninety two. If you want to send us
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of minutes and before eleven o'clock we've got your wine
pick for the week from our master Somelier.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 17 (01:01:34):
The New Zealand's losing money forty million for the six
months to decemble, worse than expectant. Nicol Rabishanka is the CEO.
If you had all your engines and all your planes,
how different would the number.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Be for the first half?

Speaker 7 (01:01:44):
Mate, did be a ninety million better result.

Speaker 17 (01:01:47):
But you see that would barely be making money though,
wouldn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:01:49):
Yes, the three factors driving the results for us.

Speaker 20 (01:01:52):
One of them is our engine issues, the two other
being we're seeing slowered and expected.

Speaker 8 (01:01:56):
Demand particularly here domestically, and cost inflashing.

Speaker 17 (01:02:00):
You still don't seem to be making the sort of
money other realigns are because travelers booming and their New
Zealand is not booming with it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:07):
Yeah, domestic is half our business.

Speaker 17 (01:02:09):
Back Monday from six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
the Defendant News Talk ZB twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Three to eleven our News Talk ZB, I was saying
just after nine o'clock this morning that I've had a
bit of a wow moment once again with AI. I'm
not a total AI hyper I'm not like going woo
for AI everything, but I've had a few moments over
the last couple of years where using the AI tools
that are available, I thought, oh, my goodness, this is

(01:02:35):
really impressive. So the first time I used chat GPT,
I thought that. The first time I saw some of
the video generation, I thought, okay, this is pretty impressive.
But now, for the first time in my life, I
have created a website, I've created an app. I've created
a few other bits and pieces via Vibe Coding, so
zero programming experience, zero coding skills, but talking to Clawed code,

(01:03:00):
which is one of the big AI systems, I've been
able to just use English prompts to make some of
these things, which has been quite quite a remarkable and
magic thing to experience. Honestly, our textbook, Paul Stenhouse is
a little more skillful, a little more TechEd adapt than I,
tech adept than I am, and he's with us. Now

(01:03:20):
to Paul year morning Jack.

Speaker 20 (01:03:23):
So you went straight for Claude code. That's pretty impressive
because you Claud code you have to use in the terminal.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Did you use it in the term You don't have
to use it on the screen, No, you don't the
desktop app. I use the desktop app to do it.
So yeah, yeah, no, I tried open the terminal. Yes,
I've connected to get hub.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
See, I got clawed. I said, Claude, treat me like
an idiot. I talked to the chatbot. First of all,
I said, treat me like an idiot, Claud, and it said,
don't worry, Jack, we know you're an idiot. And I said,
you tell me, like, talk me through and really basic
steps what I need to do. And I said, okay,
you need to get a GitHub account, you need to
use terminal. I did that and then I was like, oh,
the easier way to do this is this on the
desktop app. So that's what I did.

Speaker 6 (01:04:02):
But I mean it is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
I mean it is. It's hard to distinguish the AI
from reality, right and to work out how warranted it is.
But in seeing what it could do with my basic
English language prompt and seeing how quickly it could do it,
it's hard not to imagine that people who are a
little more skillful than me when it comes to computer
programming and coding and stuff are able to build really

(01:04:26):
impressive things.

Speaker 8 (01:04:28):
Oh for sure.

Speaker 20 (01:04:29):
I think what's really fascinating about the AI type stuff
is that if you're a really good communicator and you
know the right terminology and the words in particular industries,
you can go really far. And the thing in AI
is that every single word matters. So when you're thinking
about how you're prompting it and what you're saying, it

(01:04:50):
just gets better and better, the more specific and the
more if you're using the correct terminology, it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Just does things.

Speaker 20 (01:04:56):
It doesn't have to guess as much, it doesn't make
quite as many mistakes because what it is really is
auto complete on steroids. Yeah right, it's looking at this
massive amount of animation, old projects and all this sort
of stuff, and it's literally just like comparing ones and
two ones and two ones and zeros, I should say,
And it just literally is looking to see where the
patterns are.

Speaker 18 (01:05:17):
And that's but you can create with it.

Speaker 20 (01:05:20):
It's it is, it's remarkable.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
But the thing that's interesting is it can work backwards.

Speaker 7 (01:05:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
So if you say to it, you know, I want
a rhyming sonnet, and you give it the first line,
so make me a rhyming like like or give me
a rhyming couplet, right, So so I want I want
you to come up with a second line that makes
sense and rhymes with this.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
It will.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
If it were just autocomplete on steroids, then it would
just that the obvious thing would is that it would
go to the next word, and then the next word,
and then and then then the next word. But it
knows because you want a rhyming couplet, that it's got
to start with the rhyming point and then work backwards.
So it's smart enough to do. I mean, that's quite
a basic example, but it's smart enough to be able
to kind of contextualize requests in that way. Yeah, I mean,

(01:06:05):
the thing that's amazing about these new systems too is
that obviously a lot of the code for the systems
themselves is being written by the system, which is it's fundating.

Speaker 20 (01:06:14):
It's incredible, wasn't it. It's crazily circular. Okay, So can
we go?

Speaker 10 (01:06:18):
Can we go?

Speaker 20 (01:06:18):
Slightly even more dystopian? So there's Jack Tame, you know,
New Zealand's sexiest personal live turned software engineer.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
What was it?

Speaker 18 (01:06:26):
Wasn't it the award you won?

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Wasn't it a few years ago?

Speaker 13 (01:06:29):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
I mean you were the one who bought it up.
But you know, we need to get lost in ancient history.

Speaker 20 (01:06:35):
Okay, So imagine yourself. You're now working at the US Department.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Of War, yep, and you.

Speaker 20 (01:06:43):
You just create a little app and it decides that
it wants to launch an attack from an overhead drone.
Is that a good idea or a bad idea?

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
Because it's happening.

Speaker 20 (01:06:55):
Well, the conversation about that exact thing is happening right now.
And while I was waiting to talk to you, I
got an alert from CNN saying that because of this
rift between anthropic who makes flawed code and clawed the chatbox,
they've got some hardlines in the stand. They work with
the Department of Defense slash war at the moment, and

(01:07:15):
they've said, you're not going to be using it for
anything like that. We do not want, like, you can't
just start launching missiles that AI directed, and AI decided no,
thank you. It also said you won't be using this
to help surveil the public. So I guess looking at
vast quantities of data and figuring out things that are
going on, the Department of Defense lash War said, well,

(01:07:38):
we want to use it, and we don't want you
to say what we can and can't do, And so
they have until it's currently four forty three here in
New York at the moment. They had until five one
pm to reach an agreement with the Department of Defense.
But President Trump has just tweeted a truth social I
should say, and said that every government department now has

(01:08:02):
six months to get off everything Anthropic and the Department
of Defense is now deciding whether or not they'll be
invoking the Defense Production Act. Well they were previously. Who
knows what they're doing now, but the talk was they'd be.
The threat was they were saying they'd invoke the Defense
Production Act, which would force Anthropic to make its product available,

(01:08:23):
or they're going to go down a different road and
label it a supply chain risk to prevent every military supplier,
which there are obviously a number from using it. So
crazy kind of situation at the moment. And you've got Anthropic,
whose biggest competitor is open AI behind chat GPT that
has backed Anthropic and said, yeah, those guardrails and things

(01:08:46):
sound you know, probably pretty good. So it sounds like
it's going to be the Department of War battling the
AI companies.

Speaker 7 (01:08:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Man, it's going to be amazing to see how this
scends up. And it certainly sounds like what you've advised us.
Read the president's response means that it's only going to
get more and more feisty from here. Thank you, Paul Textbert,
Paul Stenhouse. There's going to be one to watch over
the next few well minutes, hours, weeks, months, et cetera.
Sixteen to eleven. Our Master Somalier with his pick for
the weekend. Next.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
No better way to kick off your weekend then with
Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talk said fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
To eleven and our Master Somalia Cameron Douglas has chosen
for his wine this week and a stern semillon twenty
twenty one from hawks Bay for retelling it about twenty
four dollars. He's for the snag. Get a cameron, good morning,
that's right, A semeon skin.

Speaker 12 (01:09:43):
Both pronounciation, yeah, both pronouncings. Pronunciations are correct. If you're French,
you tend to swallow the end of the words, so you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Say seem and I like to weve it's a year
of sophistication on Saturday morning. Yes, so yeah, I think
we'll seme on sem on very good. Okay, So tell
us about the wine.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
Well.

Speaker 12 (01:10:03):
Semeon is in a grape thatlds from Bordeaux in France
and cultivated around the world and does particularly well in
Hawks Bay, New Zealand. As a dry white wine right
through to a sweet dessert style can be found, and
this particular one is really really nice. It has this
wonderful sort of waxy citrus peel, apple peach bouquet and

(01:10:26):
that follows through nicely on the palette with a little
bit of fruit spice and dry stone minerality. It's a
wine with lots of charm and a satin cream type texture.
It's not too dissimilar. It has some touch points that
are not too dissimilar to Sauvignon blanc, but it doesn't
have that tropical herbaceous drive of Sauvignon blanc. There's a

(01:10:47):
really interesting you know, I use that word waxy before,
and it's this oiliness that you get in the bouquet
of the wine. But it doesn't have a particular chemical makeup,
but it is similar to the lannyl and oil you
might find and some other fruits. Yeah, so that's where
the waxy word comes from.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Okay, so tell us about the sea in it.

Speaker 12 (01:11:07):
Well, twenty twenty five has the potential and is showing
to be true with all of the wines I get
to taste to be one of the better vintegers for
the region and New Zealand that had that dry spring,
lots of flowering and low wind, which meant that the
crop levels were higher and they had an earlier harvest.

(01:11:30):
In fact, overall harvests tending towards a lot earlier this
year round as well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Yeah, okay, what would you match you with?

Speaker 12 (01:11:39):
Well, if you're going for a young, dryer style of semon,
then you and unoaked oysters work particularly well. My preference
leans toward that sort of sushi sushimi, prawn rice dishes.

Speaker 7 (01:11:53):
Side.

Speaker 12 (01:11:54):
But if you like semeon with a tiny bit of
older barrel or oaken there. Then you can lean into
that chicken pork dishes.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
They work particularly well.

Speaker 12 (01:12:03):
Also, anything that's got a little bit of saltiness in
it in the food, you know, sort of that Jamie
Oliver sprinkle of salt works well with this wine because
it's got great acid line. It's particularly high on acid.
So it's juicy, fresh, delicious, just a lovely wine.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
And what does that mean for like lasting in the fridge?
Will it last few days?

Speaker 12 (01:12:22):
Yeah, it's one of those wines I get to, you know,
I put the wine in the fridge and taste it.
I bring it out, bring it to room temperature and
taste it. So over a two or three day period,
this wine holds its integrity. It tastes exactly the same,
which means that you can spread it out over a
few days, or if you're a one glass a day person,
or you can pop it in your salafas. Every year,

(01:12:42):
Semion ages particularly well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Oh very good. Hey, thanks Cameron. So camera's picked for
us this week and a Skern Semion from Hawks Bay
retails of about twenty three ninety nine. The details will
be on the news talks. He'd be website.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Godling we still sharp charge for life this summer.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Rootcline passes our man in the garden.

Speaker 10 (01:13:02):
Good morning, any, very good morning to you doctor team
that you've had with your tomatoes, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Well, I don't know troubles. I don't know if I've
had troubles I just had, do you know? I actually
think I've had the best season I've had with my
tomatoes at the family home. No, I've had a really
good season because I just grew cherry tomatoes. I got
kind of, to be honest, I got sick of the
chunkier tomato varietals because I was just kind of having
issues with them. And then they'd be really I'd get
the kind of the central fleshiness, but they'd be like

(01:13:30):
overly fleshy, whereas the whereas the cherry tomatoes are quite
they've been quite sweet, they've been abundant, but they're done.

Speaker 10 (01:13:41):
Funny that because you know, we've had a very creepy summer,
if you like. I mean even in Auckland, Ay, it
was just ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (01:13:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:13:50):
Yeah, and there's and we were making it even a
bit more difficult. We had to build a new tunnel
house from Worriyfield Greenhouses and in Vergagle, and that was
done just littlely after Christmas. Now can you imagine I
had nowhere to put any tomatoes at all. I just
said about four of these things for five of these things,
waiting for the tunnel house to be put up, and

(01:14:13):
suddenly I started working. How do you do that so quick?
Because it's well beyond the normal time, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
Of course, so I thought.

Speaker 10 (01:14:21):
And so the last thing you said last week was yeah,
the tomatoes are finished, and I thought, no, blow it.
We can do better than that. So here are the
stories of how to keep your tomatoes going. Get yourself
a greenhouse versus the wall. You know, it is a
bit warmer, to be quite honest, but it was still
rotten here in christ It's okay. Here comes to thing.

(01:14:45):
You need to put the tomato in a really nice,
warm area, which is what I did in the new greenhouse.
Six hours or more of sun is important, so that
probably seven or eight would be even better. Now you
take off this is important. You take the laterals off
at the bottom, which are all the little bits of

(01:15:06):
pieces that grow up which are not going to give
you any fruit at all. But also at ground level,
you've got to take those little things out of there
because you need a lot of decent airflow there to
stop everybody getting stroubles, you know. Number Three, you use

(01:15:26):
the best soil that you can get to put around
your main plant, because even your plant could have actually
gone a bit longer, I would say, and the roots
go down better than and they are much more resilient
as well. Finally, you get no, not finally, almost finally
you get rid of the yellow leaves. Did you get
yellow leaves on your plants?

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Only a couple, not too many? Yeah, okay, yeah, I
want to Okay, yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:15:53):
Secrets, get them off, forget about them. You don't need them,
all right, And then here comes the watering regime, and
this is probably mostly important. Your water once a week,
every ten days maybe decent watering really lots put a
bit of nicoposca blue in the air. But every other
day you'll follow it up with regular use of what

(01:16:15):
I call liquid fertilizer. And my favorite one for tomatoes
is seaweed tea from wet and forget so every two days, yeah,
because that actually makes the flowers come and then the
fruit set as well, and if you do that on
a regular two day basis, you'll find the devil work
and ten days later again big lot of water again

(01:16:37):
to really make it nois and moist and all that
sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Once you do that much fertilizer are you giving in?

Speaker 10 (01:16:44):
I put a little bit of no Nitroposca blue in
the root zone. But what I give them is seaweed tea,
which is something that you can mix with water and
your watering can and literally you don't just water it
a little bit, you also fertilize it at the same time,
and then the plant opens everything it has and guess what,
even Jactane will have still tomatoes at this time of

(01:17:07):
the year.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Okay, very good, because I'll tell you what. The cucumber
is still absolutely gunning it, crushing it at the moment.
So thank you for that. Okay, Well, look, each year
if we just aim to improve slightly on the year before.

Speaker 7 (01:17:19):
So you know, I know you do.

Speaker 10 (01:17:21):
That's why I want to keep you going.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
Very good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Thanks road climb, passing the garden for us. We'll wait
for those tips and that seaweed tea are up on
the news talks. He'd be website after eleven o'clock on
news Talks, he'd be, Oh, we've got a couple of
cracking reads to recommend. Our book review is going to
be and she's looking at spies and other gods. This
really really interesting new book sounds like a better me
as well as that our sustainability expert on her tips

(01:17:47):
on sustainable tramping and hiking. She'll be with us after
the news news is next time. It's almost eleven o'clock.
I'm Jactam. It's Saturday morning. This is news Talks. It'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Saturday morning with Jack team keeping the conversation going through
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More you're a jactatim on news Talks. You'd be thank
you for turning us on this morning, thank you for
tuning it. It is so good to have you here.
Although I've got to be honest, I'm a little bit envious.
I'm a little bit envious. I wish I was back
home in the three today. Electric av just looks extraordinary.
Every year it gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.
The lineup this year is amazing, And just to think

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that what eighty thousand people, eighty ninety thousand people are
going to be making their way sometime over the two
day festival. Last night, of course things kicked off some
amazing acts, Lights of the Streets, Basement, Jack's Lab, Super Groove,
we're playing last night, Drags Project, and of course Split
Ins kicking things off for night one on the main stage.

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So before midday, we're going to go to our music reviewer,
Chris Schultz. He I think goes to more live shows
than anyone I've even thoughn in my entire life. He
was there for Split INDs performing together for the first
time in almost twenty years last night, so he's going
to tell us about that performance and we will see
who he is planning to prioritize with the remaining acts today,

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counting down to Dom Dollar playing later on this evening,
so very much looking forward to that as well as that.
If you're having a slightly quiet weekend, well I don't know,
maybe maybe you're heading up the Electric av main stage
later on this evening, but you just want to save
a little bit of energy. Then we've got two fantastic
books to recommend. When our book reviewer joins us very
shortly right now though it is nine minutes past eleven,

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Jack team and time to catch up with our sustainability
expert Kate Hall's here with us this morning. Killed her.
You've chosen a subject close to my heart this morning,
or though has to be said, I haven't been doing
a whole lot of tramping over the last year or
so since our family expanded a little bit. Has been
a great cell to my wife and Ham are going
to pop off for three nights and just go and go. Bush.

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I'm going to be uncontactable, but you have to for
us this morning on sustainable tramping and hiking.

Speaker 21 (01:20:26):
Yes, yeah, and like you, I haven't done as much
as I would have liked to have the last little while.
But I just got it one of those that carry
kind of hiking pack car things. So I hope to
do more. Yeah, more hiking.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
I've got. I've got one of those. We were we
were gifted a second hand one buy some some friends.
And it's so good. It's so yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
It's even got like a little it's got like a
little sun slash rain hood. You put it like a
little canopy that you put over heat. It's so good.

Speaker 21 (01:21:00):
It's like I wish they had those little sunshades that's
for you know, to put on your pack so you
could you could have fun. Yeah, really handy speaking, I
mean that's great. You got that, you know from friends, right,
So that's what i'd say by second hand outdoor clothing
and equipment, borrowing or hiring as well. I think a
lot of people go, oh, I'm going to go tramping,

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that's going to be my new thing, and they go
and you can spend you know, a thousand bucks on
like buying all the stuff and then you may not
even you know, use it at the coffpo where may
be really really quite high. So yeah, borrowing or hiring
is really really important. But that's why there is such
a great secondhand market for outdoor tramping stuff because you

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can find people who thought they're going to get into tramping,
bought all the gear but haven't actually used it. So yeah,
it's a really great kind of section of your life
to get second hand because there's just so much good
like new stuff out there on the online sicken hand platforms.
Choosing durable and repairable gear over the old cheap options.

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I know it might be hard if you're just starting
out and you're wondering if you're actually going to get
into trampion or not, but that means it's also a
bit more resellable. So yeah, the durable goods stuff, the
brands you know, and trust rather than.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Yeah, the cheap So funny you mention that my parents,
you know, when they were you know, when they were
kind of first married, they loved doing a bit of
tramping themselves, and they went kind of backpacking around the world.
And this was in the early nineteen eighties. They both
bought bought Macpack canvas packs, and so my dad when

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he goes into the bush now and he said, a
few ups and downs on the bush over the years,
but he still has the same pack, a nineteen eighty
one canvas macpack, and a keyword, it's like it's actually
just it's like a thing of beauty to see the
brush canvas for all this time. Yeah, I mean it's yeah,
there's got a few holes and but some pieces, but
you can appear it.

Speaker 21 (01:23:10):
That's the key exactly.

Speaker 13 (01:23:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:23:13):
No, I think some of the best outdoor yet again
now is from that kind of era because they just
made them differently about then. Isn't that classic cliche saying
I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:23:22):
Make them like they used to exactly?

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
But there's a reason it's a cliche a good reason.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
Yeah, what about it?

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
What about food if you're on the track, Yeah, so.

Speaker 21 (01:23:30):
Pet food and reasonable containers or even you know, reuse
your ziplock bag. So these vax rats are really good
one because they're quite a lightweight option. That's what I
do in like when I've done some hikes then and
I are trying to walk the talladeer trail top to
one of New Zealand. But in sections, oh yeah, we'll
often try to like dehydrator dehydrate some meals and then

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pop them into a yeah, resealable, reasonable little bag. Things
like that is yeah, really helpful. Obviously if you do
have any rubbish, not leaving that anywhere on the track,
everything everything back with you. Just avoiding that singles oft
snack packaging where possible also means that you don't have

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to worry about, you know, accidentally dropping your rubbish here
and there and carrying it all home.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I mean,
I'm a big fan of the salami option.

Speaker 7 (01:24:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Now, I just feel like salami does everything when you
when you're tramping, and like you get a good stick
of salami and you know it doesn't even need to
be in plastic or anything, but you can just you
can take that and that'll get you through every meal
over over a few days.

Speaker 21 (01:24:36):
Yeah, and some good scrugina go to a bolting store
and pick all the little parts that you want to. Yeah,
how you want to make it up?

Speaker 13 (01:24:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:24:45):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Obviously you should be taking your rubbish home, including food scraps,
because otherwise that gives the rats and the ferrets and
the stoats and everything that gives them food as well.
And you should be sticking to the tracks as best
as possible so that you kind of protect the ecosystems.
But what about cleaning yourself when you're on the way.

Speaker 21 (01:25:04):
Yeah, So using a biodegradable soap, one that you know
is often when they say that they're gray water or
sip dictanks safe, or they may even say that they're
safe for the outdoors is really important. And making sure
that you're not you're kind of using that away from
main waterways and just I think it's about trying to

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impact the environment as little as possible. Even if you're
using things that you know aren't toxic, it's still an impact. Yeah,
So just being cautious about that. I mean when I
go hiking for three days, I don't need a shower. Yeah,
but when you're washing dishes and things like that. Yeah,

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just making sure that the products you have and the
spaces you're using it just I guess using your common
sense is a big one.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
And Marino Marino Marino is a great option for cly Tame.

Speaker 21 (01:25:55):
Oh my gosh, So I actually did a test once.
I wore a Marino top for I think it was
forty five wears. Yeah, and I actually like I test,
did I ask people like it didn't smell like when
it started to smell a little bit, kind of must
not terrible?

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Yeah, it is an amazing fabreak. Yeah, yeah, incredible. Hey,
thank you so much. We will make sure all of
those tips are up on newstalksb dot co dot nz
and we will catch again very soon. K You can
find Kate on social media as well. She's ethically Kate
on the main platforms. Our Travel Coross is in in

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a couple of minutes quarter past eleven on news Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Travel with Windy Woo Tours Where the World Is Yours book.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Now Mike Yardley's Our Travel Coross one. He's with us
this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
Good morning, good morning, Jack. I just said to Libya,
I went to bed last night to the soundtrack of
Supergroup and Split Ends wafting beautifully and acoustically across the city.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Amazing. So came all the way to your paper.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
Was so good. Yeah, yeah, So I think it would
be about probably six seven k from my place to
Hegley Park, but yeah, just the wind just carried the
avoid this is across to me. It was so good.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:27:10):
Required So i looked at the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Close tow Eden Park and I'm not one of these
people who knowns about the noise. I'm like, you know,
you choose to live there, And honestly, I like the
sound of I like knowing that there's kind of activity
and there's life, and there are events and things. I really,
I really enjoy it. And even if I'm not there,
I think, oh, well, you know, it's great that this
is on. You know, sometimes even I know this.

Speaker 4 (01:27:32):
Yeah, I was just going to say, I know this
is going to show my age check. But I was
a bit taken aback around christ Church yesterday the number
of electro Gaeve goers who seem to be dressed in
no less than just kind of like a super yette.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Yep, you're right, you're showing your age.

Speaker 4 (01:27:54):
Yeah, I know what you mean.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
I mean, first of all, we can yeah, I mean
some people go some people go all out, and some
people kind of go the other direction, don't they. You know,
you can be very extravagant out and there can be
some less than expec Anyway, this morning you are road
tripping through wy Cuttle town and country. So beyond the

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bright lights of Hamilton, why Cuttle offers so much variety
across the region?

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
A It sure does, and of course it's all an
easy reach for Aucklanders, but for South Islanders it's never
been easier or cheaper to get to the Wyketto because
both in New Zealand and Jetstar you may know this sect,
they've been going head to head with a three twenties
on the Hamilton christ Jutu route. So the firs are
so cheap and of course you get there so fast.

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And what I love is beyond the tron Yeah, mighty Wyketto.
The spoil of towns and sites just project so much
distinctive character and personality. You know, you think of Raglan
or Tito or Orto, ahunger Matamata, They've all got their
own sort of sense of who we are. And I

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think Kido, perhaps more so than any other province in
New Zealand, just has so many drive two towns as
opposed to drive through towns, if you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Yeah, So if we're talking drive two towns, Cambridge would
be a still right.

Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
Oh Man, it is no wonder Cambridge is undergoing such
a population boom. The lifestyle there is second to none,
and it's such a good base for a town and
country TICKI tour. It is, of course the town of champions,
and they flaunted that sporting heritage with that fantastic Walk
of Fame all through town, all of their sporting heroes,
the local Olympians, over a dozen Melbourne Cup champions, you

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name it. And I have to say, if you can
to yourself away from Cambridge's really good retail and hospital offerings,
go to that world class of allodromans, spend some track
time there. I was there a fortnight ago the ocean
your champs were on, which was very lucky for me. Man,
I was transfixed. The speed of those track races, Jack.

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To see it in the flesh is absolutely staggering.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, you realize, like hat gutsy it
is you really can't give a full perspective a and
like one little goes wrong and you've got a long
way to slide around.

Speaker 4 (01:30:21):
Yeah, and a lot of timber to slide on. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
So what's the latest hospitality hero in Cambridge?

Speaker 4 (01:30:29):
Yes, well it's the sort of town that doesn't rest
on its laurels. And you may recall on Juke Street
there used to be this really scruffy down at Hill Pub,
the Massona Hotel. I was actually there. It's sort of
I've got trauma over the Massonic Hotel, Jack because when
Jasindo a Durn declared the Delta lockdown, I happened to

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be having a beer in the bar at the Massonic Cotel,
many miles from a home.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (01:30:56):
Anyway, there was a few years ago in our in
our dark history. The hotel has been there since eighteen
sixty six, and a few months ago it reopened reborn
as the Clements Hotel after the most meticulous tip to
toe restoration. It's been just transformed into a boutique affordable

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luxury hotel. The lovely local owners they've spent millions hushing
up this old girl. So it's now just got this
red hot following as the trendy gathering space indoors and
out in Cambridge. Super impressive. Whether you're staying in the
house or not, you've got to go there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Nice. They've got a speakeasy bar, right, Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:31:38):
This is what the locals love and it's something you've
definitely got to check out. Down in the basement, this
very intimate, evocative, underground speakeasy. It's named eighteen sixty six,
but it's such a great little spot for cozy libations
after dark. Really good bar tracks. Man, those bartenders they've
been watching that cocktail movie Farm and Party many times.

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And the live music there super cool. By the way.
The Gallery restaurant in the hotel, that's also attracting a
lot of buzz and I thought it, you, Jack, when
I considered the dessert menu. You've got to try their
black forest chocolate bruleat with poached cherries. It's as uncxious
as it sounds.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Yeah, yeah, no, that sounds good. I feel like I
feel like the poach, cherry and chocolate combination is an
absolute winner. Did you got to hobitin?

Speaker 4 (01:32:29):
Well, I'm a sucker for a really good tourist trap
and those whip smart guided movie set tours on the
Alexander family farm. They just keep on keeping on selling
out virtually every day. It's like the world is that
Hobbit and it's just incredible. But if you haven't been
in a couple of years. The added feature now is

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bagshot rows Hobbit holes, which now include two walk in
the Hobbit houses, so everything is purposized and crafted for Hobbits,
from the beds and the well stopped pantrees, all of
the family heirlooms passed down from generations of Hobbits. It's
also magnificent, magnificently executed, and it just reaffirmed to me

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how hobbiton has nailed that task of blurring the lines
between reality and fantasy. It's like you've gone into a
third realm. It really is so special.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
Further south, how good is Sanctuary Mountain among the totdih.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
I went there for the first time two weeks ago.
What a sanctuary and it's got one of the world's
biggest predator proofenses, forty seven kilometers of fence. Unbelievable. So
the forest in the wetland, it is so beautiful, but
as you sort of wander around, and they've got over
seven hundred native species at the centuary. It really is

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a national arc. I found myself eyeballing to Atara while
squawky saddlebacks and kaka and bury binging kennedoo flu all
around me. The place is a revelation.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
That's so good. Do you know I've never been there.
I've always wanted to. I've got like a little list.
I keep it a list on my phone of activities
to do with the family from time to time, and
that's always been there. I always thot it'd be an
amazing thing to do because they've got kiwi right.

Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
Yeah, they do, and it's fascinating there. Story of success
go back twenty years ago. That's when they translocated the
first kiwi to Monga Totade. A century had passed since
the Kiwi call had been heard there before they took
that first kiwi there. Today, this gorgeous old growth forest

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has a Swiss cheese lock to it, Jack, because the
forest floor is pop marked with so many Kiwi boroughs.
Wherever you lock, there's all these holes. There are now
three thousand Kiwi in this forest.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Wheesh, three thousand. That's remarkable. What an incredible success story.

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
That's a lot of breeding.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean that is that is something,
isn't it? Okay, Oh, that's definitely going to be bumped
further high up the list. I reckon. Okay, cool, that
sounds amazing. Thank you so much, Mike, Thanks Jack, very good.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend, and enjoy the sounds
of Electric A Day two wafting across the city Today.

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Before midday, we are going to take you to our
music reviewer who was there to see Split Ends perform
last night, and he'll be there again today alongside seventy
nine ninety nine others who'll be no doubt enjoying Electric
av twenty seven past eleven, Here with Jack Tame on
News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team
on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
You gotta get down.

Speaker 10 (01:35:54):
You're not like to do.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Eleven news talks. It'd be after midday today. Jason Pine
is in for weekends. Spoken wanting Sir color Jack Andrew
Whips on the show.

Speaker 7 (01:36:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:36:12):
Looking forward to chatting to the Warrior's head coach for
the first time in twenty twenty six. This first game Friday,
next Friday. Yeah, so this time next week when we're chatting, well,
we'll be able to talk about the first game Vegas.
Of course, couple of games tomorrow. The Warriors were there
last year, not there this year. I think they'll be
quite happy about that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
I'm not sure that.

Speaker 22 (01:36:28):
I mean, obviously, they lost the game to the Raiders
fairly comprehensively their last year, and I remember Andrew Whipster
saying there was a few too many distractions, which I think, yeah,
you know, in Vegas is probably fair enough. But yeah,
the Roosters at home and then the Raiders at home
in their first two games, so two good sides, but
both at home. So we should get a fairly good
gauge I think in the first couple of weeks about

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where the Warriors are at.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
What do you make of that black Cap performance last night?

Speaker 22 (01:36:52):
I think one that got away. You know, you look
at the way they batted and a couple of in
a couple of ways. The power play was very good
for Allen and Tim Seifert. You know, they put on
fifty odd sixty in the first six overs but only
got us New Zealand. They got through to one sixty
or one fifteen nine, and then with England on the ropes,
really Jack, you know, I think they had one of
those win predictors which had at one stage England just

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a thirteen percent chance of winning year and they got
there with forty odd fifty odd in the last three
or four overs, so one that got away, thankfully not terminal.
We do need Sri Lanka to see yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Well we need Srilanka to be Pakistan or Pakistan to win,
but not win by heaps. I think the equation is
if Pakistan win by sixty five runs or inside thirteen overs,

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if they're chasing, then they'll go past us on net
run rate. So you'd hope that Ri Lanka on home soil,
even though they're out of their tournament, regardless of the result,
will at least want to finish with a flourish So
let's hope that happens, and then the black Cats will
be into the Semis.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
So AFC home this afternoon, the Phoenix tomorrow. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:37:54):
I'm really curious to see the bounce back from Wellington
after last weekend. You and I have spoken about the derby.
Everybody seems to have spoken about the derby. I mean,
awklead fcal going to their game against Melbourne City this
afternoon full of confidence. Phoenix changes of head coach Chris
Greenacre back into the breach for a fourth time as
interim coach. I really hope they give them the job
full time. That, of course remains to be seen, but

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you often get a bounce back after a new coach
comes in. Things are at a bit of an all
time low. And they changed the coach, and players and
coaching staff kind of galvanized.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
I mean, it's not beyond the rights. Possibly they wouldn't
be really felt like it was a so last week.
I mean they kind of I don't want to say
they dominated the first twenty minutes, but they were certainly
the ascendant team in that first twenty minutes of the derby,
right and then after that that own goal, That own
goal seene around the world, which was an absolute shocker, obviously,
but it was as though they're just kind of mentally

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capitulated as much as anything. Yeah, they all had just thought, oh, well,
actually the football and gods actually have something in for us,
and so what can we do. See that's the thing.

Speaker 22 (01:38:55):
You're still only one Niel down, No I mean in
the previous derby they were one nil down after twenty
eight second.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
That's way worse.

Speaker 22 (01:39:01):
I know, the circumstances are like, as you say, football
and gods are conspiring against us, but you're still only
one kneel down. It was the reaction to that that
I think was most disturbing, and probably you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Know, you can actually understand it, like from a rational perspective.
I mean, obviously the professional sports people they should be,
but you can understand how just having been ascendant for
twenty minutes and having seen Aorkland really struggle and then
seeing that own goal, they just like somewhere in the
back of your mind, as someone saying, so man, just
for whatever it is, the football and gods have decided

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that this is in your game.

Speaker 22 (01:39:34):
Yeah, I think it's probably quite good for them. There's
no more Darbies this season. You know, they can just
concentrate these last eight games, pick up as many points
as they can. You know, a lot of these guys
are playing for contracts as well. Chris Greenack, as I say,
is probably on. I don't think he's beyond in an
audition of any sort. I think they'll give him the
role they should. He deserves it, but he'll want to
make a difference. So so yeah, Aukland FC this afternoon,

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that'll be a good game to Melbourne City of the
reigning champions they won the Grand Final last year. The
Aukland FC side, of course won the Premiers played, so
reigning premiers against reigning championship be a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
Yeah, it'd be very interesting. Super Rugg this evening as well.
Of course you've got well the Canes at four o'clock,
Crusaders Chiefs seven and then the Blues at nine thirty tonight.
Crusaders could be going three. I know I was hoping
you wouldn't say that, but let us not forget they are.
If there is one thing that defines Crusaders seasons, it's
a poor start. They are very often slow starters and

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then going to win the championship. So don't get two
cocky just year Las tonight. You know, going into that game,
I will will confess to feeling a little bit nervy.
But they do start slow.

Speaker 22 (01:40:39):
Yeah, as long as from Crusaders fans point of view,
they don't do what they did two years ago, yes,
and then stay slow, stay slow, But that was that
was an aberration that's an outline, so right, check. They
always come home strong. We always expect them to be
there or thereabouts. They normally win it, so you know. Yeah,
but yeah, interesting to see what happens on Hamilton tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
Good to hear from Andrew webs Of this afternoon as well. Yeah,
it just maybe slightly less this is our season chat.

Speaker 22 (01:41:04):
Yeah, it won't take it won't take long though, probably
won't be too good that I wouldn't imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
So yeah, I'll looking forward to it. Thank you, sir,
They Shason Pine, we'll have all weekend sport. He's with
us right after twelve o'clock on News Talks EDB. Before midday,
we're going to take you to Electric Avenue and next
up we've got your book picks for this weekend, including
the latest from JP Poorlmardi. The Gambler is this new book,
so we'll get our book viewers thoughts on that. Twenty
five to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Twenty two to twelve on News Talks EDB. Not only
is our book reviewer Katherin Rain's a big fan of reading.
She's a big fan of motorsports. So, Catherine and you'll
be looking forward to that interview. The host cares with
Liam Lawson this Tuesday.

Speaker 9 (01:41:45):
I certainly am, and my daughter and I are actually
in Melbourne next weekend for the grass.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
I just love this. I just like you know, there
will be people who've listened to you on Saturday mornings
and said, oh, Catherine, you know she's obviously a prolific reader.
There's no way on earth she'd have any interest in motorsport,
but there you go. It's some Oh you can thank
my dad for that. It's great on Melbourne will be incredible.
Have you been to that Grand Prix before?

Speaker 4 (01:42:09):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:42:10):
I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
Oh my gosh, Yeah, I'd love to go. It'll I
mean the atmosphere in this he will be just unbelievable
in't it. Yeah, and we'll get a good steer on
where the where the Red Bull cars are actually in
positioned this year or the Racing Bull cars are positioned
this year, which is always nice.

Speaker 9 (01:42:26):
Yeah, well go Liam Lawson looking forward to seeing Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:42:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
So Tuesday morning he's going to be speaking with Mike Costking,
which would be superb. Now to this weekend's book picks.
Let's start off with the last from JP Porlmarty tell
us about the Gambler.

Speaker 9 (01:42:39):
So this features private investigator Vince Reid, and he's a
PI for hire and he's kind of that classic detective.
He's always after answers, even if he's sort of putting himself,
and in the middle of what's going on, he questions everybody,
and you know everything, even though you know, even when
it's people he knows. And he's catching up with an
old friend of hers, a guy called Nash, and Nash
offers him a job after this young woman, a girl

(01:43:01):
called Katie, has been shot dead at a political rally,
and Jason, who was a friend of hers, shot the
attacker who killed her in this heroic act, but then
he disappears, and Kate's parents are really desperate to find
out why their daughter was targeted or was it an accident?
Was she just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
But of course the only way that reader is going

(01:43:22):
to get answers is if he tracks down Jason, who
has disappeared. And the shoot is also kind of this
really interesting woman, a woman called Barb, and she has
no obvious connection to Katie, and she was very respected
in the community, and so read of course realizes that
he's stepping into something you know, much more dangerous than
he thought it was. And he digs deeper, and there's

(01:43:42):
all of these agendas and influences and kind of pushing
shadow influences, pushing them in different directions, and you know
there's a real personal cost to him as well.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
And a story.

Speaker 9 (01:43:52):
You hear it through several different points of view, which
adds to that mystery and that air of it, and
about Jason and Bub's widow and the Marshals who are
Katie's parents just not sharing everything that they know. And
so he gets really engrossing read with these storylines and
point of view whose time jumps around in great characters
and some good intrigue along the way.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
Very good. That sounds awesome. Okay, So that's by JP Paulmartia.
The book is The Gambler that now you've also read
Spies and Other Gods by John Wolfe, So this is a.

Speaker 9 (01:44:22):
Really good espionage story. It's Sir William Reynold. He's six
months away from retirement, but he's making a lot of mistakes.
His memories not quite what it was, and he doesn't
really seem to be following the situations very well and
potentially in the early stages of dementia. And the book
opens with the British Parliament's Intelligent and Security Committee having

(01:44:44):
received this complaint about a particular case that is run
by Sir William's department. What happens to be six and
it's highly classified and there's this hunt for an Iranian
assassin who's been killing Iranian dissidents in Europe, and much
to his annoyance, a parliamentary researcher has been sent in
to review the file and Afromerqueen is that investigator, and

(01:45:06):
she's smart, she doesn't back down, and when she's sent
into review, she's on the lookout for any wrongdoing by
the department as well in the sensitive case, and it's
not concluded. And also as the story moves through, you
get unforeseen things and the story turns in different directions
and events move from London to Birmingham to Paris, and

(01:45:26):
as Ephor and sa William end up in the same
cities at the same time, and there's lots of chaos,
and there's a serial killer, and you enter this world
of spies and secrets and lies and undercover operations and
it's really well done. It's written by a former spy,
and it's got a really unique style to it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
That is definitely definitely a bit of me. Thank you
so that Spies and Other Gods by John Wolfe. Catherine's
first book is The Gambler by JP Pormarty, and we'll
make sure both of those books and details about them
are up on the news Talks. He'd be website. Catherine
will be speaking to you next weekend, but travel safely.
Can't wait to hear about your if one experience.

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
Inside scoop all you need to know Saturday morning with
Jack Team News Talks.

Speaker 6 (01:46:11):
It be.

Speaker 16 (01:46:16):
Just like the world is our.

Speaker 21 (01:46:20):
We're teving in.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
You'll know we's here for stars.

Speaker 3 (01:46:26):
We are where it is.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
I'm not embarrassed to Simon to her love a little
bit of Kisher, have a little bit of Kisha, especially
on the weekends, dance away to that. That is we
are who we are because one Christis may have of Keisha.
It's how she how she titled some of her songs,
So that's we are and instead of are, she's just
got the letter we are who we are a little

(01:46:53):
bit irritating anyway, The reason we're playing Kisher is of
course that Keisha is playing christ Church today. She's playing
Electric Gav one of the big names to come in
for what is now an enormous for Chris Schultz, our
music reviewer, is there in the O three lapping your
lapenings with us now today.

Speaker 23 (01:47:11):
Chris got a Jack I am it's I don't know
if you can hear the base in the background, this
is christ Church when Electric Avenue is on.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
Yeah, boy, could be Columbo Street, could be lower Columbo
Street at sort of seven thirty on a Tuesday evening
as well, couldn't it doing a couple of lumber runs.
But yeah, things have already kicked off for the Saturday.

Speaker 23 (01:47:34):
Huge first Day Jack it was. Yeah, they're showing off
a new festival layout. It's got a whole new, massive
main stage. They've put in just another stage to accommodate
all the people coming this year. It's up another seven
thousand from last year's event. This thing just keeps getting
bigger and bigger. It seems unstoppable. At this point they've

(01:47:55):
taken over like most of North Hagley Park. Yeah, and
you can just feel it there's it actually works really well.
There's a lot more space. The main stage has an
led backdrop on it that apparently is as big as
anything at coach Schalla. Wow, it's become that kind of
festival now where it's just a behemoth. It's hard to

(01:48:16):
describe the scale of it because it would probably take
you half an hour to walk across the site and
just sort of take up the space and see what's
in it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:28):
It's huge.

Speaker 23 (01:48:29):
It's just a huge festival. It's you ever had anything
like it?

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
No, I mean, it is fantastic to see so much
success and you know it's kind of a tribute to
the regeneration of christ Church I Reckon and the post
quake Kears. You know, it's just going from strength to
strength at the moment. So talk us through day one.
Tell us about your day one. Electro gave twenty twenty
six experience.

Speaker 4 (01:48:51):
So there was a real generation gap there.

Speaker 23 (01:48:53):
You could feel the kids who were there for the
big name you know, doft Off, DJs, the Becky Hills,
the Sammi Virgis that kind of stuff, and then there
were people like me, an older generation there for the
nineties acts, so they had the streets. Mike Skinner's great
great laconic streets rap group from the UK. They had

(01:49:13):
Basement Jack's doing this kind of big circus themed show
at the end of the night, and the hangar so
you could go and see all that have a great
time in reminisce. But then, you know, the main big
headline act for the day was Split Ends, this big reunion,
shock reunion that they pulled together. And you know, look,

(01:49:36):
I had questioned, Split Ends haven't played for fifteen years.
I hadn't been born when they reached their peak. You know,
it's so long ago that Split Ends were a thing.
I turned up at that main stage and there were
kids everywhere, and I just thought, how is this going
to connect with people like so far removed from this music?

(01:49:58):
And then they turned up on the main stage in
a sack. They shuffled out in an orange sack. They
whipped off the sack and they're all wearing those Do
you remember the suits? No one for the zany colorful suits.
They dressed up for the occasion and they just got
straight into it. There was no lag, there was no like,
let's figure this out, let's remember how to do this.

(01:50:20):
They were just straight into it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:21):
And of course you got season performers, right.

Speaker 23 (01:50:23):
You got Tim Finn up there, You've got his brother,
younger brother, Neil Finn on lee guitar, and they've got
these anthems like songs that just have permeated New Zealand's fabric,
you know, like you just know them. You know, I
see reds. You know, history never repeats, you know, poor boy.
And my favorite was Message in a Bottle, Message to

(01:50:44):
my Girl. Just this like one of the best songs
ever written. I reckon, just an absolute stunner. It really
brought those generations together. The kids around me were filming
themselves singing along to these fifty year old songs. It
was remarkable. I had actually a dad next to me
who had his arm around his kid, just mere and
he was pointing out members of the band and sort

(01:51:06):
of explaining who they were and what they've achieved over
their careers.

Speaker 4 (01:51:11):
It was just that kind of like show.

Speaker 23 (01:51:14):
It was kind of magical.

Speaker 3 (01:51:16):
It's really special.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
Yeah, so what is your plan for today? I see
that the temperature is probably actually pretty amenable, right, seventeen
is the higher today, so it's not going to be roasting.
Mainly stretched in the imagination.

Speaker 23 (01:51:27):
We need to talk about christ stitchers with it because
it is wild. It was freezing cold yesterday and then
got to the festival in a jersey, two T shirts
and a jacket and the sun came out and suddenly
I didn't need any of it. It's so changeable down
here today. The sun is out, it's looking really magical.

(01:51:48):
There's a lot more of that those danced DJs on today,
so I'm hitting along to see phase of day's was
one of the local New Zealand acts playing. And then yeah,
the big one, the one making the most of that big,
gigantic led screen. That's Don Dolla, this international DJ who
apparently has big, the big show, the big climax, the

(01:52:08):
big end of the festival. So yeah, another big, big
day ahead. I'm trying to like look after my feet
and my legs and not too many steps this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's have a bit of energy
for tonight. Do you get a sense from being there,
like the kind of split between local and and you
know and out of town visitors.

Speaker 4 (01:52:29):
I think it. They have told me.

Speaker 23 (01:52:31):
I think it's around sort of fifty to fifty or
forty sixty, you know, like airport's are maxed out. I
tried to get an over this morning and couldn't think.
You know, they have maxed everything out down here. Organizers
told me they've taken every portalo within like one hundred
kilometer radius, so it's it's yeah, I don't know how

(01:52:51):
they get bigger from here, because it's just you can
feel everything kind of like squeezed. It's reaching this pinch point, Like,
how how can it possibly grow when it's already just
so big?

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Yeah, so I to see. Yeah, well, look, make sure
you hydrate, make sure I know you're a season you're
a season festival goer, but make sure you get a
little bit of time off your feet at some point
and have a wonderful time. I'm deeply, deeply envious, so
make sure you lap it up.

Speaker 4 (01:53:22):
Thanks Jack.

Speaker 23 (01:53:23):
I'm not sure anything of the top spleens today, but
we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
Yeah, Oh very good. Can't wait to hear how Day
two goes. Chris Schultz there at Electric Avenue in christ Hitch.
Of course you can hear more from Chris on his
sub stack boiler room and given Dom Dollar is going
to be closing out Electric GAV twenty twenty six, this
evening with a big duff duff thing on the stage
with the with the massive screen. I reckon We'll pick
a Dom Dollar Show song to close out the show

(01:53:49):
in a couple of minutes, eight minutes to twelve. On
News Talks, he'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
Cracking.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
Way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack Team News.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
Talks, it be.

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
It is time for us to hand over the mic.
On News Talks, he'd be Jason Pine is standing by
for weekends. Bought this afternoon his feature interview Andrew Webster,
Warriors Coach as the Warrior's twenty twenty sixth season gets underway.
For everything from our show, you can go to News Talks,
hedb dot co dot nzed Ford slash Jack. We'll try

(01:54:20):
and bang it all up there. I think most of
the show's up there now, so if you want to
make Nicky's amazing sounded sounding baked Yoki and pumpkin recipe,
you'll be able to do that. All of our book picks,
screen time picks, film reviews are up there now. Thanks
to my wonderful producer Libby, and for all your texts
and emails throughout the morning, I'm back with your next

(01:54:41):
Saturday Morning. Until then, we're going to leave you with
dom Dollar playing the main stage at Electric av and
christ Church tonight. This song is Dreaming Sweden.

Speaker 4 (01:55:08):
The story.

Speaker 5 (01:55:10):
Now I Think, consoling, chains, everything change.

Speaker 13 (01:55:55):
My friends so sweet and innocent. The story Netherlands woke.

Speaker 21 (01:56:00):
Up and no I thing con say that.

Speaker 1 (01:56:34):
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