July 17, 2026 • 14 mins
Gin Wigmore is exploring the duality of life in her new album.
Her first studio album in eight years, ‘Beautiful Mess’ is a chronical of the last decade of her life – the highs and lows, love, loss, divorce, parenthood, and the complexities of rebuilding oneself.
“Life is messy,” Wigmore told Jack Tame.
“It’s not all, you know, roses and apple blossoms ... and to tell the full picture of anyone’s story, there’s gonna be beautiful parts, there’s gonna be messy parts, there’s gonna be heartache, loss, love... all of it.”
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast
from news Talks at b.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
New Zealand music icon. Jin Wigmore has just released Beautiful Mess,
a double sided album exploring the duality of beauty and chaos.
It's her first new album in eight years, and it
captures the contrast of life's highs and lows and chronicles
the deepest moments of the last decade or so, navigating love, loss, divorce, motherhood,
and the complexities of rebuilding a wonderful human one of
(00:53):
life's great characters. Welcome to the studio, Jin Wigmore.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I had the handmat going right there.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I was. I was trying to remind myself how close
to get to the microphone. This is professional. Yes, yes,
it's probably something you're totally unfamiliar with. I know. Welcome
back to New Zealand. First of all, thank you so much.
Welcome back to the world where you were promoting a
brand new album. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Well, oh my gosh, it's so good. I feel so
happy to have this out and be ready to be
experienced by other people.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Beautiful miss, Yeah, beautiful miss. What's the mess?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Oh my god, the miss?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I carve out half an hour. Do I need to
go and run right now.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
So we're not going there, Yes, exactly, we do. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Miss it's because life is missy ife, just missy. It's
not it's not all you know roses and apple bossoms.
It's just not. And to tell the full picture of
anyone's story, there's going to be beautiful parts, there's going
to be missy parts. It's going to be heartache, loss, love,
all of it. And the last few years have been
(01:57):
particularly missy. Anyone going through a separation and a divorce
would know all about it. Yeah, so yeah, that was
the met part for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It does feel like you've kind of I don't know,
because I haven't been through that kind of major life event,
but it feels like you have responded really proactively by
being like, I'm going to be creating, I'm going to
be doing lots of positive things in the world. Definitely,
in order to try and you know, to whatever it is,
regain the momentum that might have been lost or something, well.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I think you've got to sit in it. What I
learned and what was actually quite a powerful tool is
just sitting in it and confronting that it's really hard
and it's really bad and it really sucks, you know.
And I think once you actually look at something in
the eyes, you know, you kind of it's less scary,
you're not so afraid of it, and then you sort
(02:49):
of just you come out of it, and then you
can actually channel it into something and your silver lining.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Is that what you've done here? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, in lots of ways. I mean I think it
was a lot of beautiful mess is around that initial
thought of oh my gosh, I'm not happy, I'm lonely
and I want to leave. And that's a really terrifying
thought to come into your brain space, because it's like
once you have that thought and you say it out loud,
it's almost like you've manifested it. The writing's on the wall,
(03:18):
you know so, and you're kind of trying to push
it down, push that thought away, and then it just
bubbles out and then the music becomes like a purge.
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You're just like interesting because I reckon loneliness is maybe
it's non underrated feeling, but as I say, it's like
among the absolute worst feelings.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Oh it's horrible.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
It's just the worst thing. And if you are, like
if you're in a situation like that and realizing how
lonely you kind of feel and isolated feel, my God,
and loneliness.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
In a marriage like loneliness when you're in a relationship.
Loneliness when you're single is a different kind of loneliness.
You can do kind of something about it. There's this
feeling of being trapped when you're in this part, like
you've got to go through so many steps to get
out of being lonely. And if that person that you're
with is sort of part of the reason you're so lonely,
(04:08):
it's so sad. It's such a sad feeling. It's very
sad feeling.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So did you kind of did you? Did you having
kind of manifested this and realized this is how you're feeling,
did you did you weigh up different directions? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Right, Yeah, your wig up different directions and you kind
of like daydream almost about like what your life could
have been if you've done things differently, if you've picked
a different partner, if you like all of these things.
And that's where you know, starting the album out with
Country Diamond and going into ol Street, I really had
to go back to my little child and go what
if I'd thought differently. What if I'd chosen differently, what
(04:44):
if I'd taken a different street, what if I had
different different place to you know, live in all of
these things.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Was it a positive thing to do?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I mean, I don't know. I like.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Sometimes I think about some of the mistakes I've made
in my life and I just think, like or just
some things that I would do differently. And it's easy
to like just get yourself into like.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, totally. But there's something I I
like going to those places, mainly because I think that
is part of storytelling and being a musician. You kind
of you're a glutton for punishment, you know, like living
in those really dark thoughts and spaces provides a lot
of material.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Because there's the kind of artistic cliche, you know, like
the tortured artists like you have the art. But it's
kind of true.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Oh absolutely. I mean I think it's not you're not
inviting pain, but everyone has pain, and it's how much
you let it in and how much you actually stare
it in the face. And I think a lot of
the times people think that it's you know, you just
bury it and get on with it, but it's never
actually buried. I like, sorry, it's never actually goes away.
I mean, especially grief and things like that and loss.
(05:49):
I mean, you really, it will come. It will come
back to haunt you in some capacity, whether it's in
the next relationship you have or something. So you kind
of need to really like stand in your power and
confront it and then you can really put it to bed,
you know.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So country Diamond Rodeo, Yes, I'm getting a country vibe. Yes,
I mean you can see that. I'm a really like
deep analyst here. But like, are you this You've.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Just backed out two of the most country living title,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Very country living titles that has to be seen.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You really did your homework.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
On this side. But is it I mean, is it
like because country music has kind of gone through a
bit of a thing, and you've always had a kind
of country edge, But is that like have you leaned
in heavily? Is that like a deliberate kind of No?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I think no, I think I'm always I've always been
drawn to country. I've spent a lot of time in
Nashville and things, but a lot of time in the States,
which is big on country out there. But I actually
like country music for the storytelling. I really like, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Very story It's very story centric than any other music.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Totally totally, and it's like, especially if you're looking back
at like Tammy Wyett and things like that, she was
such a badass and like what she was talking about
at that point of time, which was just such a
no no for women. But you can dress it up
on a story and experience. It might just be a
snapshot of the night, like she doesn't want a man
to come home drinking or drunk, but whatever it might be.
(07:13):
But it's sort of like the front of my thoughts.
That was very much this album. It was these little
snapshot thoughts of like, oh, I'm feeling like this, I'm
going to die on this porch. I'm going to like
if you don't love me or you don't need me anymore.
That's one of the songs on the album, and it's
it's just the sort of one moment thought that you
wrap up into a song, which is quite a country
(07:33):
sort of way to write.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, you're forty, Oh my god, can we not?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Can we not shame? You? See me with the same age.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I'm thirty nine. Only one of us in the studio
is closer to their twentieth birthday than their six years. Yeah, sixtieth.
I hate to bring it to you.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I'm really broke it down like.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
That by sincerely thinking that I was forty two.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Oh my god, no, she think you look like you're twelve.
But yeah, that's dig.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yourself out of that hole. Dig yourself out of it.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
You're forty What a weird time, hey.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I mean it is kind of weird, especially because that
means you've been like.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Making music decades. People talking decads.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
People talking decades, and people observe that you've been creating
music now for more than half your life. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
So that's kind of a cool flex.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
There is actually a very cool flex I feel like
with you know, like there's you, you know your craft
by the stage, there's a kind of wisdom that maybe
that maybe comes to that it's all right, you're not
like make jaga, it's like I did.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Sounds like I'm definitely fucking out my compat.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But do you, aside from the aside from the big
life change that is the divorce, do you find that
being a mum and being at this stage of life, like,
is it giving you a different kind of perspective on
your art that wasn't there in your, say, early twenties,
And do you go back and reflect on the stuff
that you made in your early twenties in this stage
of life, and does it have a different kind of
(09:05):
does it Does it give you a different perspective?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Definitely? I mean, I think you become the older that
you get, which is a cool part of getting old
is that you just you step into yourself so much more,
like you don't worry about some of the things that
I was concerned with when I was in my twenties,
like vanity and what I look like on camera. It's
all about like getting to the root of things and
being more honest with yourself. And I don't know if
(09:31):
that's a sort of side effect of being a parent,
because you're trying to role model what it is to
be a good quality human and that's honesty and leading
with you know, like integrity and all of these sort
of things that you then seep into the way you
write and the way you carry yourself through your art,
(09:51):
which I think is only a bonus to be honest,
it also keeps it really interesting. I'm always looking for
ways to, you know, challenge myself and feel more alive
and feel like I haven't done. You've done so many
things at this point in life, so you kind of
running out of things to be a first. You know,
you've done most of your firsts, so I think.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Like joining the PTA, Yeah, I know, but it's stiff
like that, like that stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Things you need to keep seeking out. Especially for me.
I'm a bit of adrenaline junkie. Yeah, a little bit,
just a coach. A coach, So I like testing the
boundaries and I think that's something I keep doing and
going more and more raw and vulnerable is exciting.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Speaking of new I tried to go to Wigmore Delhi.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, well you one day, We're close.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I know.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Off, I know you look at the hours opens.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Very like it's not open. But to give us the
for people who haven't heard of it, yeah, give us that,
give us the pitch and then and then why from
what I've read, hospitality is a tough business.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
It's a great business.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You're like, you know what, tamement wasn't tough enough, Making
music wasn't tough enough. I want to get into a safe.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Weg More Dela located at five or seven New North
Road in Kingston, Yeah, yeah, it's really cool. It's actually
I wanted to have I wanted to be really busy
when I moved back from LA because I needed to
make sure I still had that pace. You've got this
real and built ingrained pace when you live in Los Angeles.
I mean you came out.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I know you saw me. Do you know I came
to your house? Sorry, this is a side and interview
supposed to be about you know, about me, But.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Let's talk about you.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
No. I remember being at your house and I remember
doing an interview with Mike Hosking. Yeah, and it was
the day after Donald Trump announced that he was going
to first run for president. It was twenty sixteen. I
remember where I was standing in your backyard when I
was interviewed by Mike Hosking, and Mike Hosking said to me,
what do you think? And I was like, he doesn't
have a charge. I don't have a hope in hell. Now, well,
(12:02):
you know, at least I admit I was wrong.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, Wow, that was fun. A we
were wrapping around the canyons or the dogs the truck
I had, Yeah, we got the dogs on the bed.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That was definitely not like a it was like it
felt like you would be burning quite a lot of
fuel if you had that truck in New Zealand. That
would not be an eco option.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
That it would not be I would change the divisiual world.
Apparently people do that.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Does that work?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Apparently it does.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I feel like I need to research that I would
need to do as well.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah, so anyway we digress. Yeah, so the Delhi is
really cool. It's like, I want to have this compound.
I wanted to create a compound where I had everything
there and I had this I met this really cool dude,
Aiden Williams, and I was just he's a young cat
and he's got the fire, and we just wanted to
do something together. And so the idea was to sort
(12:55):
of create like a wine barrow, local hang type of thing.
There's a lot of paperwork in a wine but a
lot I'm not used to so many rules. I'll be
living out in America where anything goes. And so yeah,
we sort of we changed it into morphed it into
a deli and sort of a place where and we
asked the neighborhood. We kind of gathered thoughts of the
neighborhood and what was missing and Kingson's a very community based,
(13:19):
local sort of spot, so we didn't want to. We
wanted to sort of be at one with the neighborhood.
And I felt like fresh made to order sandwiches was
what we were missing, and just a place where you
could be. It honestly feels like a couple of kids
running a spot, like a little bit of their Empire
Records type vibe. You know that we play loud music.
We play all kinds of music.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's a little bit anarchic, but it's it is for
the community.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
It is, And like currently the whole windows just being
graffited by Hazer, who really amazing graffiti artists on purpose,
on purpose. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's been tagged out with
all the beautiful mess stuff. So the cool thing is
we can be super reactive in there. A sandwich isn't working,
we cut it and we change it up the next day.
We don't worry about what people get drawn to. It's
(14:03):
always evolving. Nothing is permanent.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Amazing, it's really cool. It's so good. Yes, well, I
promise I'm going to come on a Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Come on a Tuesday or Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
The other day I visited. Yeah, okay, look, it is
so good to have you back in New Zealand, so
good to see you in such a good place. Congratulations
on beautiful mess and we cannot wait for you to
be touring this left, right and center and blowing your
socks off.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Thanks mate.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
New Zealand music icon. Jin Wigmore has just released Beautiful Mess,
a double sided album exploring the duality of beauty and chaos.
It's her first new album in eight years, and it
captures the contrast of life's highs and lows and chronicles
the deepest moments of the last decade or so, navigating love, loss, divorce, motherhood,
and the complexities of rebuilding a wonderful human one of
(00:53):
life's great characters. Welcome to the studio, Jin Wigmore.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I had the handmat going right there.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I was. I was trying to remind myself how close
to get to the microphone. This is professional. Yes, yes,
it's probably something you're totally unfamiliar with. I know. Welcome
back to New Zealand. First of all, thank you so much.
Welcome back to the world where you were promoting a
brand new album. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Well, oh my gosh, it's so good. I feel so
happy to have this out and be ready to be
experienced by other people.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Beautiful miss, Yeah, beautiful miss. What's the mess?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Oh my god, the miss?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I carve out half an hour. Do I need to
go and run right now.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
So we're not going there, Yes, exactly, we do. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Miss it's because life is missy ife, just missy. It's
not it's not all you know roses and apple bossoms.
It's just not. And to tell the full picture of
anyone's story, there's going to be beautiful parts, there's going
to be missy parts. It's going to be heartache, loss, love,
all of it. And the last few years have been
(01:57):
particularly missy. Anyone going through a separation and a divorce
would know all about it. Yeah, so yeah, that was
the met part for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It does feel like you've kind of I don't know,
because I haven't been through that kind of major life event,
but it feels like you have responded really proactively by
being like, I'm going to be creating, I'm going to
be doing lots of positive things in the world. Definitely,
in order to try and you know, to whatever it is,
regain the momentum that might have been lost or something, well.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I think you've got to sit in it. What I
learned and what was actually quite a powerful tool is
just sitting in it and confronting that it's really hard
and it's really bad and it really sucks, you know.
And I think once you actually look at something in
the eyes, you know, you kind of it's less scary,
you're not so afraid of it, and then you sort
(02:49):
of just you come out of it, and then you
can actually channel it into something and your silver lining.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Is that what you've done here? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, in lots of ways. I mean I think it
was a lot of beautiful mess is around that initial
thought of oh my gosh, I'm not happy, I'm lonely
and I want to leave. And that's a really terrifying
thought to come into your brain space, because it's like
once you have that thought and you say it out loud,
it's almost like you've manifested it. The writing's on the wall,
(03:18):
you know so, and you're kind of trying to push
it down, push that thought away, and then it just
bubbles out and then the music becomes like a purge.
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You're just like interesting because I reckon loneliness is maybe
it's non underrated feeling, but as I say, it's like
among the absolute worst feelings.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Oh it's horrible.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
It's just the worst thing. And if you are, like
if you're in a situation like that and realizing how
lonely you kind of feel and isolated feel, my God,
and loneliness.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
In a marriage like loneliness when you're in a relationship.
Loneliness when you're single is a different kind of loneliness.
You can do kind of something about it. There's this
feeling of being trapped when you're in this part, like
you've got to go through so many steps to get
out of being lonely. And if that person that you're
with is sort of part of the reason you're so lonely,
(04:08):
it's so sad. It's such a sad feeling. It's very
sad feeling.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So did you kind of did you? Did you having
kind of manifested this and realized this is how you're feeling,
did you did you weigh up different directions? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Right, Yeah, your wig up different directions and you kind
of like daydream almost about like what your life could
have been if you've done things differently, if you've picked
a different partner, if you like all of these things.
And that's where you know, starting the album out with
Country Diamond and going into ol Street, I really had
to go back to my little child and go what
if I'd thought differently. What if I'd chosen differently, what
(04:44):
if I'd taken a different street, what if I had
different different place to you know, live in all of
these things.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Was it a positive thing to do?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I mean, I don't know. I like.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Sometimes I think about some of the mistakes I've made
in my life and I just think, like or just
some things that I would do differently. And it's easy
to like just get yourself into like.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, totally. But there's something I I
like going to those places, mainly because I think that
is part of storytelling and being a musician. You kind
of you're a glutton for punishment, you know, like living
in those really dark thoughts and spaces provides a lot
of material.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Because there's the kind of artistic cliche, you know, like
the tortured artists like you have the art. But it's
kind of true.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Oh absolutely. I mean I think it's not you're not
inviting pain, but everyone has pain, and it's how much
you let it in and how much you actually stare
it in the face. And I think a lot of
the times people think that it's you know, you just
bury it and get on with it, but it's never
actually buried. I like, sorry, it's never actually goes away.
I mean, especially grief and things like that and loss.
(05:49):
I mean, you really, it will come. It will come
back to haunt you in some capacity, whether it's in
the next relationship you have or something. So you kind
of need to really like stand in your power and
confront it and then you can really put it to bed,
you know.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So country Diamond Rodeo, Yes, I'm getting a country vibe. Yes,
I mean you can see that. I'm a really like
deep analyst here. But like, are you this You've.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Just backed out two of the most country living title,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Very country living titles that has to be seen.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You really did your homework.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
On this side. But is it I mean, is it
like because country music has kind of gone through a
bit of a thing, and you've always had a kind
of country edge, But is that like have you leaned
in heavily? Is that like a deliberate kind of No?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I think no, I think I'm always I've always been
drawn to country. I've spent a lot of time in
Nashville and things, but a lot of time in the States,
which is big on country out there. But I actually
like country music for the storytelling. I really like, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Very story It's very story centric than any other music.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Totally totally, and it's like, especially if you're looking back
at like Tammy Wyett and things like that, she was
such a badass and like what she was talking about
at that point of time, which was just such a
no no for women. But you can dress it up
on a story and experience. It might just be a
snapshot of the night, like she doesn't want a man
to come home drinking or drunk, but whatever it might be.
(07:13):
But it's sort of like the front of my thoughts.
That was very much this album. It was these little
snapshot thoughts of like, oh, I'm feeling like this, I'm
going to die on this porch. I'm going to like
if you don't love me or you don't need me anymore.
That's one of the songs on the album, and it's
it's just the sort of one moment thought that you
wrap up into a song, which is quite a country
(07:33):
sort of way to write.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, you're forty, Oh my god, can we not?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Can we not shame? You? See me with the same age.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I'm thirty nine. Only one of us in the studio
is closer to their twentieth birthday than their six years. Yeah, sixtieth.
I hate to bring it to you.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I'm really broke it down like.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
That by sincerely thinking that I was forty two.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Oh my god, no, she think you look like you're twelve.
But yeah, that's dig.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yourself out of that hole. Dig yourself out of it.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
You're forty What a weird time, hey.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I mean it is kind of weird, especially because that
means you've been like.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Making music decades. People talking decads.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
People talking decades, and people observe that you've been creating
music now for more than half your life. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
So that's kind of a cool flex.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
There is actually a very cool flex I feel like
with you know, like there's you, you know your craft
by the stage, there's a kind of wisdom that maybe
that maybe comes to that it's all right, you're not
like make jaga, it's like I did.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Sounds like I'm definitely fucking out my compat.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But do you, aside from the aside from the big
life change that is the divorce, do you find that
being a mum and being at this stage of life, like,
is it giving you a different kind of perspective on
your art that wasn't there in your, say, early twenties,
And do you go back and reflect on the stuff
that you made in your early twenties in this stage
of life, and does it have a different kind of
(09:05):
does it Does it give you a different perspective?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Definitely? I mean, I think you become the older that
you get, which is a cool part of getting old
is that you just you step into yourself so much more,
like you don't worry about some of the things that
I was concerned with when I was in my twenties,
like vanity and what I look like on camera. It's
all about like getting to the root of things and
being more honest with yourself. And I don't know if
(09:31):
that's a sort of side effect of being a parent,
because you're trying to role model what it is to
be a good quality human and that's honesty and leading
with you know, like integrity and all of these sort
of things that you then seep into the way you
write and the way you carry yourself through your art,
(09:51):
which I think is only a bonus to be honest,
it also keeps it really interesting. I'm always looking for
ways to, you know, challenge myself and feel more alive
and feel like I haven't done. You've done so many
things at this point in life, so you kind of
running out of things to be a first. You know,
you've done most of your firsts, so I think.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Like joining the PTA, Yeah, I know, but it's stiff
like that, like that stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Things you need to keep seeking out. Especially for me.
I'm a bit of adrenaline junkie. Yeah, a little bit,
just a coach. A coach, So I like testing the
boundaries and I think that's something I keep doing and
going more and more raw and vulnerable is exciting.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Speaking of new I tried to go to Wigmore Delhi.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, well you one day, We're close.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I know.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Off, I know you look at the hours opens.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Very like it's not open. But to give us the
for people who haven't heard of it, yeah, give us that,
give us the pitch and then and then why from
what I've read, hospitality is a tough business.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
It's a great business.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You're like, you know what, tamement wasn't tough enough, Making
music wasn't tough enough. I want to get into a safe.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Weg More Dela located at five or seven New North
Road in Kingston, Yeah, yeah, it's really cool. It's actually
I wanted to have I wanted to be really busy
when I moved back from LA because I needed to
make sure I still had that pace. You've got this
real and built ingrained pace when you live in Los Angeles.
I mean you came out.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I know you saw me. Do you know I came
to your house? Sorry, this is a side and interview
supposed to be about you know, about me, But.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Let's talk about you.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
No. I remember being at your house and I remember
doing an interview with Mike Hosking. Yeah, and it was
the day after Donald Trump announced that he was going
to first run for president. It was twenty sixteen. I
remember where I was standing in your backyard when I
was interviewed by Mike Hosking, and Mike Hosking said to me,
what do you think? And I was like, he doesn't
have a charge. I don't have a hope in hell. Now, well,
(12:02):
you know, at least I admit I was wrong.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, Wow, that was fun. A we
were wrapping around the canyons or the dogs the truck
I had, Yeah, we got the dogs on the bed.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That was definitely not like a it was like it
felt like you would be burning quite a lot of
fuel if you had that truck in New Zealand. That
would not be an eco option.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
That it would not be I would change the divisiual world.
Apparently people do that.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Does that work?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Apparently it does.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I feel like I need to research that I would
need to do as well.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah, so anyway we digress. Yeah, so the Delhi is
really cool. It's like, I want to have this compound.
I wanted to create a compound where I had everything
there and I had this I met this really cool dude,
Aiden Williams, and I was just he's a young cat
and he's got the fire, and we just wanted to
do something together. And so the idea was to sort
(12:55):
of create like a wine barrow, local hang type of thing.
There's a lot of paperwork in a wine but a
lot I'm not used to so many rules. I'll be
living out in America where anything goes. And so yeah,
we sort of we changed it into morphed it into
a deli and sort of a place where and we
asked the neighborhood. We kind of gathered thoughts of the
neighborhood and what was missing and Kingson's a very community based,
(13:19):
local sort of spot, so we didn't want to. We
wanted to sort of be at one with the neighborhood.
And I felt like fresh made to order sandwiches was
what we were missing, and just a place where you
could be. It honestly feels like a couple of kids
running a spot, like a little bit of their Empire
Records type vibe. You know that we play loud music.
We play all kinds of music.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's a little bit anarchic, but it's it is for
the community.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
It is, And like currently the whole windows just being
graffited by Hazer, who really amazing graffiti artists on purpose,
on purpose. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's been tagged out with
all the beautiful mess stuff. So the cool thing is
we can be super reactive in there. A sandwich isn't working,
we cut it and we change it up the next day.
We don't worry about what people get drawn to. It's
(14:03):
always evolving. Nothing is permanent.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Amazing, it's really cool. It's so good. Yes, well, I
promise I'm going to come on a Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Come on a Tuesday or Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
The other day I visited. Yeah, okay, look, it is
so good to have you back in New Zealand, so
good to see you in such a good place. Congratulations
on beautiful mess and we cannot wait for you to
be touring this left, right and center and blowing your
socks off.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Thanks mate.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
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