April 19, 2026 • 11 mins
The Prime Minister's rubbishing the latest poll - showing the left bloc in a position to win the election.
The 1 News Verian Poll has the left on 66 seats to the right bloc's 58 - assuming Te Pāti Māori keeps its six seats.
Our newsroom understands multiple MPs are believed to be unhappy with Luxon’s performance and want his leadership discussed.
Christopher Luxon has been rejecting talk of a challenge to his leadership - and says [told Mike Hosking] he doesn't buy the results of this latest poll.
He says he simply doesn't believe Kiwis want Labour, the Greens and Te Pāti Māori, when New Zealand needs strong economic management and a stable coalition government.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Prime Minister's with us. Very good morning to you, Michael.
We'll get to you know what in just a couple
of months. Just let me tick off the Chinese thing
and the serious protest. Is this a serious protest? Is
this the thing with a force or not?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
No, we've explained our position. We were completely inside international law,
completely inside civil aviation precautions. We've explained that to the Chinese,
and z f's been pretty transparent about it.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Okay, the petrol deal is coming, when Nicholas said from
Washington the other day, soon this week or not.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
We're in conversations right now with parties. Obviously can't talk
about the timing and the component parts of that.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's commercially sensitive.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
But what we're looking for, Remember there is additional supply
over and above everything we've got.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Okay, are you sick of this? Which part the balling,
but the speculative bullshit and the endless myopic nonsense has
come out from the back being tribute party.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Well, you hear me all the time say I don't
comment on polls, because last week I was led to
believe we had a Coulis Gun would be re elected
and reinstated with a ten MP majority. Yes, how Sheier
needs to improve this last Polly last night it says
that you know, the public of New zum want to
put in CRSs Sipkins and the Greens into party. Marris
don't believe that what's needed right now is strong economic
management and stable coalition government, and that's what I think
(01:09):
we're delivering. Do you believe your polling, our own polling, Yes,
yes I do. But I do think there's an acknowledgment
that there is a massive demographic shift in New Zealand.
I'm not sure all polls are covering all of that,
but by the time I'm going into that level of detail,
it sounds like I'm being defensive about Poles.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
No, because I'm just looking at a couple of things.
Last week New Zealand first was fifteen and this morning
allegedly they're ten.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Which is that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I've seen polls in a given week where I've had
one that has us at thirty six, one that would
have us at thirty, you know, just a couple months ago.
So you can get bounced around by Poles, and I
listened to it to a degree, but at the end
of the day, the public do not want me fixated
on that that you know, we've seen examples in the
Australian election.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Where polls were all over the place.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So you've got to listen to it because there's some
genuinely good feedback in there about you know, what you
need to do better, which is good, but equally our
main focus is deliver the deliver economic people.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Are you disappointed because one of the first things you
did when you came into lead the National Party was
tidy up the discipline that seems now not to be working.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, well we'll discuss that at Tuesday at caucus again,
because you're dead right, you know. The feeling is that
when you get disunity in a party and people talking.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
About that publicly, that just says to the.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
New Zealand public or to anybody that actually, if you
can't manage yourself, you can't run the country. And it's
pretty simple, and you just got to look at the
UK Conservative experience, the Australian Liberal experience, the National Party
twenty twenty experience. And so we did spend a lot
of time rebuilding our team, getting a good culture in place,
unifying it, finding a way to win, unifying and building
(02:48):
a coalition government for the first time. It's I think
being very strong and stable and doing the right thing
for New Zealanders and very difficult times.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Why are they behaving the way they are, Well, they'll
be frustrated.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
There'll be some frustrated, like there will be many party
you know, people have been either missed out for promotion,
maybe in a marginal seat, and understandably concerned and worried.
I want all of those MPs in my caucus return
to Parliament. I think they all have something to offer,
and they all work incredibly hard and all pretty smart,
and so I really want them to be able to
come back to government.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
The difficulty is, I mean, it comes down to personal
sort of interest, doesn't it. At the end of the day,
when you come in on a tide, which you had,
some are going to go out in the tide. It
is a rare day that a party that goes in
on the tide then holds the tide, if not increases
the tide. That's just politics.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, And I think in an MMP environment, if you
look at I studied all the MMP elections in Western
Europe over a number of years now, and you're saying
they're always very tight, but everything That's why it always
you always hear I say in election, party vote, party vote,
because as good as an individual candidate may be in
their electorate, I've seen some very good candidates lose on
a party wave, and it's a combination of we think
(03:55):
you've got to drive the party vote and run a good,
tidy campaign and your local electorate.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So Thomas Coglan, as I've seen a number of times
with the I don't personally know the guy, but I
don't think he makes stuff up. He's got three sources.
Are there more than three in your party that are problems?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I read the article, you know there'll be a handful
of people who understand it would be disgrunted. Five five,
i'd say, so there's probably five people that are moaning
and frustrated.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I know the refive, obviously you didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
But I'm just I'm just I'm saying of people that
I could think that could possibly be talking to media
about their frustrations, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
What do you do about them?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Well, we need to reiterate the case for why we
need discipline because we've seen the cases as we've had
from our own experience as a national party. Where we
broke the party essentially in a civil war. That's just counterproductive.
We're a long way from that. It's just that any
sign of this, do you want to stamp it out
early and hard?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Is bishop part of it in any way, shape or
form or not.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
No, he's given me, as you've seen public reassurances in
my backing. Chris and I even last night we had
a one on one call on a number of topics
and gave me his private back backing as well. So
privately or publicly, no, he's fully behind me.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Would you accept that this has come about rightly or
wrongly to some degree because you're not quite what people
wanted you to be?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well, I get it, people not everyone want me at
their barbecue, But I think New Zealanders would say that,
you know, I'm able to provide a leadership with a
government that's able to deliver economic competency and be a
good custodian of the economy.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Let's just back up the truck a bit.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
We've all come through COVID, we're dealing with inflation recession,
We've dealt with Trump's tariffs, We're dealing with weather events,
we're dealing with fuel crises, and we're all over it.
I mean, everyone is tired and grumpy and wants us
to get through this. And I think, you know, as
challenging as it is in the world, as challenging as
our environments and our challenges are, you know, we are
doing the right things to work incredibly hard to set
(05:49):
this country up well for its future, and we can
get through.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
These choppy waters to the side.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
But we just need strong hands on the tiller who
understand the economy.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
And that's what I do.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Because the problem, the problem with this is it was
much six that I asked you whether you're still going
to be the leader of the National Party and you said,
hands on heart, you are. And I won't to ask
again because I assume the answer is exactly the same,
the same answer has changed. But the problem is that
you have we have this morning what we had on
March the sixth, which was scuttle but no challenger, no spill,
(06:18):
no numbers, just a handful of half wits at the
back of the National Party who want to cause trouble.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
So that's why unless that stops, yes, it will be
corrosive to your chances of winning this election.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Correct, And that's exactly the message to the caucus, and
they get that. It's just poor discipline and loose talk.
And you know, again, we need to make sure that
everybody understands.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, I've watched political parties come and go and fall
fall over.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
It's because when.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You don't have tightness and you don't have unity, and
you don't have everyone being disciplined actually, which we've been
incredibly disciplined up until this point. You know, we've actually
had forty nine new MPs. We're forty nine MP's big caucus.
We're in government. All forty nine would love to be ministers.
I get it, but it's impossible for that to happen.
And so you know, a lot of them are working
incredibly hard on their set committees and their local community
(07:06):
is doing an amazing job, and I want them all
coming back, and that's our job. We know we've got
more work to do, we know we have to do better.
But that's that's about us managing.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Talk to peters and see more about this, because if
I was them, I'd be concerned that your problem's my problem.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
No, we haven't had an explicit conversation about it, but
we know that you know, a as a three way coalition,
something that's unique to New Zealand. I think we've delivered
stable government for New Zealand. A lot of people at
the time, Mike remember said this ain't going to work.
Luxin isn't going to be able to hold this together.
We have held it together. We've leveraged the talents and
of the party, of the ministers that we've brought each
(07:40):
party is brought to the team, got them on the
right assignments. I think, you know, we've delivered a lot
of really good things for news Ealand and we've got
to continue that work.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So no one seems to accept my logic. My logic
is this that you are the victim of your own success.
In other words, New Zealand First, whatever they happen to be,
they're doing okay. At the moment, there are ten there
are ten percent party ish, they're about act something similar,
maybe seven or eight. When you've got fifty percent center right,
center left, it's a tight race. Your fifty percent doesn't
work with you on forty right. You've got two half
(08:11):
decent parties in your coalition with twenty percent of the vote,
You've only got thirty left. Are where you are. Yes,
you'd like thirty three or thirty five or thirty six,
but you're not going to get it anymore. Well, that's
just the way it is.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yes, Well, I think there's a couple of things going on.
One is, without getting too Connie the commentator on you,
but if you look at MMP environments around the world
and the European environment's are similar to this electoral system
that we have had that has now matured.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
We are thirty years down the road. We're in a
post COVID world.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
You're going to have brands of political parties that are
trying to activate certain small groups of constituents in order
to get that reflected into a government. You know, the
Dutch who I've looked at, they've gone back through an
election after you know, they've gone through another full government
fell apart four party coalition. But there are some coalitions
throughout Europe that are eleven parties and not one of
them will have more than seventeen or eighteen percent support.
(08:59):
So that is the reality of where MMP ultimately goes,
and doesn't matter whether it's a labor lead coalition or
a national lead coalition. You have to allow room for
other parties. In an MMP world, it's not first past
the post.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And do you think you're just a bit ahead of
your time? Potentially? What way do you meant well, well,
in the sense that we're at a stage now where
everyone expects you to be at thirty five, thirty six,
thirty seven percent, you're not. Everyone's made it a barbecue
and suddenly you suddenly you got a problem an election.
Yet you see what I'm saying, it's just.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Well, it's just that we will make the case an
election yet, as will the other five parties in Parliament
that you know you should party vote for them because
you should get them to the table to be able
to form a government with some other parties. But you
know we work in MP the New Zealand public give
us a result on election night and then the largest
someone has to go and make it work. And that's
what we did last time and that's what we'll have
(09:46):
to do again next time.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
The Macron Starmer meeting over the weekend, does that lead anywhere?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, actually, very useful meeting. Fifty one countries over a
quarter of the globe there represented. I actually spoke, they
asked me to talk there and essentially we wanted to
reaffirm this thing called freedom of navigation.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It's a key part of.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
International law because what you don't want happening is other
countries thinking they can toll or take control of keep
its or waterways, and for US as exporting nations, that's
not what we want to see.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
But there's anything tangible coming out of it, or is
it like the last meeting when you're off to the
UN to have a vote that never happens because someone objects.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So first of all, was just a reassurance that that's
what we want to see, no precedent setting freedom of navigation.
Second bit was in a post conflict peace time, you know,
is there a need for a multi national sort of
peacekeeping maritime support program. That's something that we're up for. Obviously,
we need to see it and post conflict.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Even if Trump tells you stay away.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Well, if there's a need for us to do something
as a multilateral community, then there may well be and.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
We don't but we want to see that pretty close.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
A lot about the lead, but we're not part of it.
I take it tangibly.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, we're open to considering it. Cabinet decision. What are
we sending, Well, we've done a lot. There's another things
we could do. You could you know, you get a
phs that do surveillance for example, across their bit like
we do again North Korean sanctions on nuclear on the
nuclear program.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Are you going to be here next week? Yes, I
will definitely be here, so your prime, mister Christopher Luxe.
For more from The Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
news Talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Prime Minister's with us. Very good morning to you, Michael.
We'll get to you know what in just a couple
of months. Just let me tick off the Chinese thing
and the serious protest. Is this a serious protest? Is
this the thing with a force or not?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
No, we've explained our position. We were completely inside international law,
completely inside civil aviation precautions. We've explained that to the Chinese,
and z f's been pretty transparent about it.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Okay, the petrol deal is coming, when Nicholas said from
Washington the other day, soon this week or not.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
We're in conversations right now with parties. Obviously can't talk
about the timing and the component parts of that.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's commercially sensitive.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
But what we're looking for, Remember there is additional supply
over and above everything we've got.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Okay, are you sick of this? Which part the balling,
but the speculative bullshit and the endless myopic nonsense has
come out from the back being tribute party.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Well, you hear me all the time say I don't
comment on polls, because last week I was led to
believe we had a Coulis Gun would be re elected
and reinstated with a ten MP majority. Yes, how Sheier
needs to improve this last Polly last night it says
that you know, the public of New zum want to
put in CRSs Sipkins and the Greens into party. Marris
don't believe that what's needed right now is strong economic
management and stable coalition government, and that's what I think
(01:09):
we're delivering. Do you believe your polling, our own polling, Yes,
yes I do. But I do think there's an acknowledgment
that there is a massive demographic shift in New Zealand.
I'm not sure all polls are covering all of that,
but by the time I'm going into that level of detail,
it sounds like I'm being defensive about Poles.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
No, because I'm just looking at a couple of things.
Last week New Zealand first was fifteen and this morning
allegedly they're ten.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Which is that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I've seen polls in a given week where I've had
one that has us at thirty six, one that would
have us at thirty, you know, just a couple months ago.
So you can get bounced around by Poles, and I
listened to it to a degree, but at the end
of the day, the public do not want me fixated
on that that you know, we've seen examples in the
Australian election.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Where polls were all over the place.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So you've got to listen to it because there's some
genuinely good feedback in there about you know, what you
need to do better, which is good, but equally our
main focus is deliver the deliver economic people.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Are you disappointed because one of the first things you
did when you came into lead the National Party was
tidy up the discipline that seems now not to be working.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, well we'll discuss that at Tuesday at caucus again,
because you're dead right, you know. The feeling is that
when you get disunity in a party and people talking.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
About that publicly, that just says to the.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
New Zealand public or to anybody that actually, if you
can't manage yourself, you can't run the country. And it's
pretty simple, and you just got to look at the
UK Conservative experience, the Australian Liberal experience, the National Party
twenty twenty experience. And so we did spend a lot
of time rebuilding our team, getting a good culture in place,
unifying it, finding a way to win, unifying and building
(02:48):
a coalition government for the first time. It's I think
being very strong and stable and doing the right thing
for New Zealanders and very difficult times.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Why are they behaving the way they are, Well, they'll
be frustrated.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
There'll be some frustrated, like there will be many party
you know, people have been either missed out for promotion,
maybe in a marginal seat, and understandably concerned and worried.
I want all of those MPs in my caucus return
to Parliament. I think they all have something to offer,
and they all work incredibly hard and all pretty smart,
and so I really want them to be able to
come back to government.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
The difficulty is, I mean, it comes down to personal
sort of interest, doesn't it. At the end of the day,
when you come in on a tide, which you had,
some are going to go out in the tide. It
is a rare day that a party that goes in
on the tide then holds the tide, if not increases
the tide. That's just politics.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, And I think in an MMP environment, if you
look at I studied all the MMP elections in Western
Europe over a number of years now, and you're saying
they're always very tight, but everything That's why it always
you always hear I say in election, party vote, party vote,
because as good as an individual candidate may be in
their electorate, I've seen some very good candidates lose on
a party wave, and it's a combination of we think
(03:55):
you've got to drive the party vote and run a good,
tidy campaign and your local electorate.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So Thomas Coglan, as I've seen a number of times
with the I don't personally know the guy, but I
don't think he makes stuff up. He's got three sources.
Are there more than three in your party that are problems?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I read the article, you know there'll be a handful
of people who understand it would be disgrunted. Five five,
i'd say, so there's probably five people that are moaning
and frustrated.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I know the refive, obviously you didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
But I'm just I'm just I'm saying of people that
I could think that could possibly be talking to media
about their frustrations, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
What do you do about them?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Well, we need to reiterate the case for why we
need discipline because we've seen the cases as we've had
from our own experience as a national party. Where we
broke the party essentially in a civil war. That's just counterproductive.
We're a long way from that. It's just that any
sign of this, do you want to stamp it out
early and hard?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Is bishop part of it in any way, shape or
form or not.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
No, he's given me, as you've seen public reassurances in
my backing. Chris and I even last night we had
a one on one call on a number of topics
and gave me his private back backing as well. So
privately or publicly, no, he's fully behind me.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Would you accept that this has come about rightly or
wrongly to some degree because you're not quite what people
wanted you to be?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well, I get it, people not everyone want me at
their barbecue, But I think New Zealanders would say that,
you know, I'm able to provide a leadership with a
government that's able to deliver economic competency and be a
good custodian of the economy.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Let's just back up the truck a bit.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
We've all come through COVID, we're dealing with inflation recession,
We've dealt with Trump's tariffs, We're dealing with weather events,
we're dealing with fuel crises, and we're all over it.
I mean, everyone is tired and grumpy and wants us
to get through this. And I think, you know, as
challenging as it is in the world, as challenging as
our environments and our challenges are, you know, we are
doing the right things to work incredibly hard to set
(05:49):
this country up well for its future, and we can
get through.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
These choppy waters to the side.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
But we just need strong hands on the tiller who
understand the economy.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
And that's what I do.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Because the problem, the problem with this is it was
much six that I asked you whether you're still going
to be the leader of the National Party and you said,
hands on heart, you are. And I won't to ask
again because I assume the answer is exactly the same,
the same answer has changed. But the problem is that
you have we have this morning what we had on
March the sixth, which was scuttle but no challenger, no spill,
(06:18):
no numbers, just a handful of half wits at the
back of the National Party who want to cause trouble.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
So that's why unless that stops, yes, it will be
corrosive to your chances of winning this election.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Correct, And that's exactly the message to the caucus, and
they get that. It's just poor discipline and loose talk.
And you know, again, we need to make sure that
everybody understands.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, I've watched political parties come and go and fall
fall over.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
It's because when.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You don't have tightness and you don't have unity, and
you don't have everyone being disciplined actually, which we've been
incredibly disciplined up until this point. You know, we've actually
had forty nine new MPs. We're forty nine MP's big caucus.
We're in government. All forty nine would love to be ministers.
I get it, but it's impossible for that to happen.
And so you know, a lot of them are working
incredibly hard on their set committees and their local community
(07:06):
is doing an amazing job, and I want them all
coming back, and that's our job. We know we've got
more work to do, we know we have to do better.
But that's that's about us managing.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Talk to peters and see more about this, because if
I was them, I'd be concerned that your problem's my problem.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
No, we haven't had an explicit conversation about it, but
we know that you know, a as a three way coalition,
something that's unique to New Zealand. I think we've delivered
stable government for New Zealand. A lot of people at
the time, Mike remember said this ain't going to work.
Luxin isn't going to be able to hold this together.
We have held it together. We've leveraged the talents and
of the party, of the ministers that we've brought each
(07:40):
party is brought to the team, got them on the
right assignments. I think, you know, we've delivered a lot
of really good things for news Ealand and we've got
to continue that work.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So no one seems to accept my logic. My logic
is this that you are the victim of your own success.
In other words, New Zealand First, whatever they happen to be,
they're doing okay. At the moment, there are ten there
are ten percent party ish, they're about act something similar,
maybe seven or eight. When you've got fifty percent center right,
center left, it's a tight race. Your fifty percent doesn't
work with you on forty right. You've got two half
(08:11):
decent parties in your coalition with twenty percent of the vote,
You've only got thirty left. Are where you are. Yes,
you'd like thirty three or thirty five or thirty six,
but you're not going to get it anymore. Well, that's
just the way it is.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yes, Well, I think there's a couple of things going on.
One is, without getting too Connie the commentator on you,
but if you look at MMP environments around the world
and the European environment's are similar to this electoral system
that we have had that has now matured.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
We are thirty years down the road. We're in a
post COVID world.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
You're going to have brands of political parties that are
trying to activate certain small groups of constituents in order
to get that reflected into a government. You know, the
Dutch who I've looked at, they've gone back through an
election after you know, they've gone through another full government
fell apart four party coalition. But there are some coalitions
throughout Europe that are eleven parties and not one of
them will have more than seventeen or eighteen percent support.
(08:59):
So that is the reality of where MMP ultimately goes,
and doesn't matter whether it's a labor lead coalition or
a national lead coalition. You have to allow room for
other parties. In an MMP world, it's not first past
the post.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And do you think you're just a bit ahead of
your time? Potentially? What way do you meant well, well,
in the sense that we're at a stage now where
everyone expects you to be at thirty five, thirty six,
thirty seven percent, you're not. Everyone's made it a barbecue
and suddenly you suddenly you got a problem an election.
Yet you see what I'm saying, it's just.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Well, it's just that we will make the case an
election yet, as will the other five parties in Parliament
that you know you should party vote for them because
you should get them to the table to be able
to form a government with some other parties. But you
know we work in MP the New Zealand public give
us a result on election night and then the largest
someone has to go and make it work. And that's
what we did last time and that's what we'll have
(09:46):
to do again next time.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
The Macron Starmer meeting over the weekend, does that lead anywhere?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, actually, very useful meeting. Fifty one countries over a
quarter of the globe there represented. I actually spoke, they
asked me to talk there and essentially we wanted to
reaffirm this thing called freedom of navigation.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It's a key part of.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
International law because what you don't want happening is other
countries thinking they can toll or take control of keep
its or waterways, and for US as exporting nations, that's
not what we want to see.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
But there's anything tangible coming out of it, or is
it like the last meeting when you're off to the
UN to have a vote that never happens because someone objects.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So first of all, was just a reassurance that that's
what we want to see, no precedent setting freedom of navigation.
Second bit was in a post conflict peace time, you know,
is there a need for a multi national sort of
peacekeeping maritime support program. That's something that we're up for. Obviously,
we need to see it and post conflict.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Even if Trump tells you stay away.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Well, if there's a need for us to do something
as a multilateral community, then there may well be and.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
We don't but we want to see that pretty close.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
A lot about the lead, but we're not part of it.
I take it tangibly.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, we're open to considering it. Cabinet decision. What are
we sending, Well, we've done a lot. There's another things
we could do. You could you know, you get a
phs that do surveillance for example, across their bit like
we do again North Korean sanctions on nuclear on the
nuclear program.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Are you going to be here next week? Yes, I
will definitely be here, so your prime, mister Christopher Luxe.
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