Full Show Podcast: 07 May 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
No fluff, just facts and fierce debate. The Mic Hosking
Breakfast with Defender, embraced the impossible news talkstead Bedding.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
And welcome today. The job's numbers better than predicted? Or
are they new citizenship test? What's going to achieve? The
PM is in post Singapore, Mel Parsons hasn't been in
for a song for two years, so she's back after right,
Joe mckenning in Italy. And what is in the UK
for election day? Of course, Hosky, So welcome to the day,
seven past six. Latest cab off the rank in things
Australia are doing that we suggested we might is some

(00:31):
sort of deal with tech around local news. Australia led
off the batting with the social media ban. Of course,
that's been picked up and run with all over the world.
It doesn't work necessarily, but people in various jurisdictions feel
good enough about it, and it may well be that
enough people are affected for it to be judged some
sort of success. We, of course, are yet to do anything,
almost as though we don't want to seem odd to

(00:51):
me that we hail the school phone band but can't
take the social media step anyway, tech need to do
deals with local Australian media or face attacks. That is
called a tax. It's a charge, and the charge will
be spread about local media to help offset all the
money big techers hovering up from taking their work and
monetizing it through advertising. This won't work either, of course.
In fact, it will work even less than the social

(01:12):
media ban has worked. But you clearly can't tell Elbanezi that.
He also runs the risk of infuriating Trump, who is
pro American tech, and companies in the firing line like
Meta are of course American. Meantime, in Canada who tried
to do something similar, they've gone without Meta, or at
least gone without local news on Meta for a while now,
because that's the standard playbook taxes, and we're often, as

(01:32):
one piece I read last week said, the sky actually
hasn't fallen in I assume that if enough countries try
to tax even Meta might balk. But we are clearly
a long way from that, and it's entirely possible. Meta
and their ILK are so big they simply don't care.
Fun fact, by the way, less than one percent of
posts on Facebook and Australia contain a URL from a
domestic news site. So you've got regulatory hassle, you've got

(01:55):
no real engagement side. What do they care. I've always
favored government intervention when it actually achieves something. The cold
hard reality in this modern world is a single government
cannot contain, constrain, or manipulate a global tech giant. So
why turn yourself inside out trying? No, it's not fair,
but it's life. Canada have achieved nothing. Australia will learn

(02:17):
the same thing. Maybe maybe the fact we've done nothing
is smarter than many realize.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Wow, news of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, since we will asked here this time and yesterday morning,
Operation Freedom that's paused? Why because it looks like a
deal to end the war is about to unfold.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
For the United States, anything that Iran does to have
a nuclear capability in the futures has to be addressed
and will continue to be addressed every day, regardless of
what you call the agreement.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
And it looks like it is. Fourteen points, sanctions lifted,
uranium needs to be shipped to the States. Uranias have
been badly damaged. The Americans are paying a costly political
price because it was clearly a misguided conflict done on
false premises, but they do. You now both want to
back out of this and that's a good sign. And
I'll give you details in just a couple of moments.
Rat virus update the jew and Spain shortly for a

(03:06):
good old scrub down. But knew this morning is the
news that some of these passengers were at the local
tip watching birds.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Scientists have identified the strain as the Andes virus, which
is a subtype of hunter virus. And there has been
an episode in the past where an individual was infected
and then there was human to human contact at some
event and others picked it up from that.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Now tribute to flying this morning for Ted Turner, as
you may have heard in the news, died at the
age of eighty seven, gave the world CNN.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
One of the greatest of all innovators. Was sad and
it was partly because he was fearless. He would try
any new idea. He led us into the era of
new forms of communication, but when it came to covering
things he knew. CNN was built to be a fearless network.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
And its election day in Britain, reform will do well.
The Greens might well do well in London labor will
be crushed. Of course, it's going to be a miserable day,
which leaves the Tories trying to be upbeat.

Speaker 6 (04:03):
What people are seeing is a new conservative party under
a new leader, and I am changing things. People like
our policies. They're very popular up and down the country.
What we need to really focus on now is winning trust.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Uh, well, we wish them the best with that. Rod's
with us after eight thirty and that is news of
the world. In ninety Let me give you the update.
The Iranian Foreign minister has been talking with China. This
is critical. The Chinese have said, we've got to open
the straight now, so don't underestimate the influence of China.
And this oil has dropped WTI at ninety five, brinted
about a smidge over one hundred. They're on the verge

(04:39):
of securing this one. So it is a one page,
fourteen point memorandum. If signed, you open up a thirty
day window for both countries to negotiate a larger agreement.
It would include the reopening of the strait obviously, the
lifting of all US sanctions, So that's critical for Iram
because that means money, new limits on the nuclear program,

(04:59):
they will not be be able to enriched uranium for
twelve to fifteen years. What uranium they haven't rich will
be shipped to the United States. Problem with this, if
you followed this over the years, you'll be going Doesn't
that sound a lot like what Obama did, the very
deal that's been trashed mercilessly by Trump ever since he's
been in office. Yes, it does, so we'll see where

(05:20):
it goes. Twelve past.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
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Speaker 2 (05:32):
Well, Trump has got some good news today, and I'm
obviously the end of the war will be very good news.
But it's the payrolls. Private payrolls one oh nine thousand
in April, sixty one thousand in March, better than the consensus.
So they're still producing jobs. Fifteen past, whoa hold on?
Who have we found here? From Shore and Partners? Andrew

(05:53):
Keller have welcome back.

Speaker 7 (05:55):
Oh, it's good to be back.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Mike, Good on. You do you enjoy Sri Lanka?

Speaker 8 (05:58):
I did.

Speaker 7 (05:59):
That was very surprise, very hot. But the tourism is
taking a bit of a hit. I noticed you and
Ryan were arguing about lounges.

Speaker 9 (06:06):
Yeah, I was a resort, seventy two room resorts on
the coast. There were only seventeen rooms full the first
nightly there, so finding a lounge it was not problematic.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
What are you paying for that resort? Round figures?

Speaker 7 (06:19):
Round figures.

Speaker 9 (06:20):
Well, it depends on how flash it was, but I
think we were paying sort of. I think it was
around two fifty three hundred New Zealand dollars a night,
so it wasn't expensive. It's not bad, it's cheap and
rugby surprising. Rugby is surprisingly popular.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Is there any good? Are they any good at it?

Speaker 7 (06:35):
Well?

Speaker 9 (06:36):
Our under eighty five kilo team beat them twice, so
they're getting better.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Well supported, good stuff. Glad you had a good time, right,
Labor market jobs five point three is not five point four.

Speaker 7 (06:47):
No, it's not so.

Speaker 9 (06:48):
Firstly, Mike, just talking about these labor data numbers there yesterday,
I think there is in these numbers a higher degree
than normal of sort of rear vision analysis. Given the
fact that you know it captures a period prior to
the Middle East conflict, so you know things have changed,
haven't they.

Speaker 7 (07:03):
The relevance really.

Speaker 9 (07:04):
Are I think is that establishes the sort of starting
point un momentum that lay market had before the global
events sort of intervened in the eponymic economic milieure.

Speaker 7 (07:14):
Look, it does look like.

Speaker 9 (07:15):
The employment market was improving, but albeit at a what
you would say is a pretty sort of tepid pace.
Because yes, unemployment fell to five point three percent, one
hundred and sixty three thousand people unemployed. If you want
the actual number the market was expecting five point four percent.

Speaker 7 (07:30):
It's a bit better than expected.

Speaker 9 (07:32):
The underutilization rate, which is a measure of you know,
people who are either unemployed or underutilized or underemployed or
seeking jobs twelve point nine percent. That stayed pretty static,
but there's four hundred and six thousand people in that
group at the moment. Participation rate fell slightly to seventy
point four.

Speaker 7 (07:51):
Employment grew zero point two percent.

Speaker 9 (07:54):
We were expecting that to come in at zero point
three percent, and it was at zero point five percent
move in the fourth quarter of last year. Average hourly earning,
so what you're getting paid.

Speaker 7 (08:05):
Grew by zero point two percent.

Speaker 9 (08:07):
Look, the RB and Z they'd forecast that unemployment rate
of five point three percent, so it's bang on what
they thought they would get, but the employment group was
weaker than.

Speaker 7 (08:15):
They had expected. Wage growth.

Speaker 9 (08:17):
That's important, Mike, because one of the factors that the
Central banks said they would look at closely when considering
if they need to left the ocr more quickly than
expected that year and year numbers running at two percent,
So hardly concerned, I would have thought, obviously. The issue
is how much is the Middle East conflict impacted on
our economy?

Speaker 7 (08:36):
Was were two months into that.

Speaker 9 (08:38):
Hopefully it will be resolved sort of shortly because we're
stomping through the third month now.

Speaker 7 (08:43):
The labor market very important that question.

Speaker 9 (08:44):
The answer as we don't actually know yet, but as
I normally point out, Mike, I think we always highlight this.
It's a tough time to be young and looking for work.
Fifteen to nineteen year unemployment rate twenty four point nine percent.
There was a staggering number twenty to twenty four to
twelve point two percent, So I don't think there's any
real call to action for the rbn Z from this number.

(09:06):
The market's pricing a forty percent chance of a move
in May, so the twenty seventh of May, I think
that will probably start to come down. But the chance
of a July hike is still pretty high.

Speaker 7 (09:18):
No real change in market reaction yesterday.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Okay, what about theb and their view That was pretty solid.

Speaker 10 (09:23):
Wasn't it.

Speaker 7 (09:24):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 8 (09:25):
Look it's a good read.

Speaker 9 (09:26):
Actually, so this is the arbian Z release. They don't
just do monetary policy. They're also responsible financial stability. They
released the Financial Stability Report yesterday. It's the first one
under their new Financial Policy Committee. Look, if you're interested
in this sort of thing, it's quite a good read.
The key points the global risk environment has worsened over
the last six months. They noted that things like lending

(09:47):
had been recovering prior to the conflict. They say the
economy was slow because of higher energy prices and the
Middle East conflict.

Speaker 7 (09:55):
The associated world energy supplier.

Speaker 9 (09:57):
Risks they add to what were the EXE listing risks
of sort of AI, the right of non backs, private
credit market.

Speaker 7 (10:04):
But they do highlight the fact and we should.

Speaker 9 (10:05):
Take great comfort in this that our banks have strong
capital buffers. Even though they made some changes around the
amount of sort of proposed capital, the results from their
stress tests suggest our banks remain capable of managing even
severe scenario.

Speaker 7 (10:19):
So we will be okay, I couldn't help.

Speaker 9 (10:22):
But notice they did say that volatility and financial markets
are raising the risk of a sharp fall in equity prices.
And while I was stomping around Sri Lanka, US equity
markets are all busy making all time highs.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, it's not going to last forever. What are the numbers?

Speaker 9 (10:37):
Well, very strong overnight. As we've been talking about potential
for an end to the conflict. It will end, though, Mike,
not when these people say it will end when, as
far as I'm concerned, when oil is moving in and
out of the strait of realms.

Speaker 7 (10:50):
That's not happening yet.

Speaker 9 (10:51):
The Dow Jones are up six hundred and twenty five
points one point nine hundred and twenty two, getting ever
closer back to that fifty thousand mark. Sm P five
hundred seven three four five it's up one point two percent,
and the NASDAK twenty five thousand, seven hundred and seventy
one up one and three quarter percent overnight. The fotsy
one hundred are gained over two percent two hundred nineteen

(11:14):
points ten thousand, four hundred and thirty eight, the NIKA
up point three eight percent fifty nine thousand, five hundred
and thirteen Shanghai comps. It gained more than one percent
four one six oh. The OSSI has had a great
day yesterday, up one point three percent eight seven nine three.
And we had a big day on the NZ SEX
fifty up one hundred and nine points point eight four percent.
Infratil very strong yesterday because they had a good good

(11:36):
news out of CDC data centers had a big winday
and half that company Keevy doll up point five ninety
five to two against the US point eight two three
three OSSI point five is six seven euro point four
three eight pounds ninety three point one six Japanese end
gold four thousand, six hundred and eighty four dollars and
break Rude back over one hundred bucks, but still well
down on the session one hundred and one dollars and

(11:56):
fifty cents.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
You're a good man to you tomorrow, Andrew Kella, He's
sure and partners a SCOUBA globally revenue growth of fourteen percent.
What's that mean? Thirteen point two billion deliveries their big business.
The rides are second to getting your cold McDonald's, Nova
and Nordisk. This GLP one story is amazing first quarter
sales are up thirty two percent were GOVI now has

(12:20):
sixty five percent of all new prescriptions in America, and
you know how fat America is. Six twenty two at Newstalks, Edbo.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
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Speaker 2 (12:41):
At b Epstein, a House Oversight and Government Reform committee
wants a word with Lutnik, so has transcribed interviewers in
front of them today. He's probably one of the more
embarrassing characters because he claimed he wasn't mates, but he
turned out to be on the island, which he didn't
deny was on the island once they said, hey, were
you on the island and we said, well, actually I
was on the island, but he was on holiday apparently

(13:01):
with his family. Also was a neighbor of Epstein. So
we'll see where that goes. Six twenty five.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Trending now with Swarehouse The Real House of Fragrances, Why
just cab off?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
The old hype rank for Netflix is the kindly Minogue
story from Neighbors to global pop stardom.

Speaker 11 (13:21):
That feeling a freedom I had been boxed in.

Speaker 12 (13:28):
When you started out?

Speaker 10 (13:29):
Did you mean to be an actress or a singer.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
I became frustrated, singing budget, singing budget, mechanistic, terrible.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
How are you feeling?

Speaker 11 (13:40):
I can't actually speak just yet. I felt removed from
my body. I was so scared of what was.

Speaker 10 (13:49):
Ahead of me.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I'm not sure and grip by that. To be honest,
they thought about it and landed on you know, what
were they going to call it? They thought about it,
landed on Kylie Anyway, made by the same folks that Beckham.
Beckham was very good, So I'll give them. I'll cut
them some slack on that. Three epps. Netflix made twenty
which is This Wednesday Week Michael, which is the biopic

(14:24):
of Michael, just like Kylie Michael Anyway. So Katie goes
Yesterday with our youngest and it gets everyone I know
who's gone to see it, including Ryan, who spends his
entire life at the movies. Everyone I know who's gone
says it's like life changing, mesmerizing, fantastic, gripping, brilliant. Doesn't
deal with any of the drugs and the problem with

(14:46):
the young people, but it's all just basically Michael sang
some songs and his dad was a bit mean to him.
And people who act as Michael apparently are very very good.
What I was disturbed about twenty five dollars fifty for
an adult to go to the movies, Ryan was telling
me before he was playing thirty threety three four dollars.
What the hell's why are you whining about Auckland FC
at forty five of the cost you twenty five twenty
six dollars to go to the movies? For goodness sake?

(15:06):
News is next, then the BSA is no more.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Asking the questions others won't the mic asking Breakfast with
Bailey's real estate one hundred percent key we owned and
operated news tog sad.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
B Mico's on his way back to Rown to visit
the Pope again, increasing amount of buzz. I'm reading this
morning around Marco in twenty twenty eight. You would have
thought that JD's a home and hosed, But it's interesting
what's happening there anyway, I'm done know the Pope's remotely
interested in any of that, but certainly Trump's had another
crack of the Pope. So Joe mckinner and literally for
you shortly at twenty three minutes away from seven back home,
though we got there at last, didn't we The broadcasting

(15:40):
standards Authority is finally getting put out of its misery.
Once podcasts and streaming arrived, it all looked a bit
old world, really, Paul Goldsmith Mini still for media and communications,
as with us, good morning, A good morning, Mike. Do
you reckill anyone cares about? This is a bit of Beltway,
but in house media. I mean I looked up the
other day.

Speaker 13 (15:57):
The world is not going to be fundamentally changed by
but governments tend to grow and add pieces. It's nicely
every now and again to shrink them and say, well,
actually this particular group has served its purpose, but the
world's moved on and we'll just close it down and
look to other solutions.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Why did it take you so long to reach the decision?

Speaker 13 (16:20):
Well, we just had to work through the government processes,
get all the coalition partners agreeing, take it through cabinet,
get an agreement, and.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
The way we go, I would have thought you could
have done it by morning tea on day one. Personally,
well yes, but.

Speaker 13 (16:34):
Well we've got a lot that we're doing in government
and we just have to work our way through it.
We got there in the end, and now we've got
to legislate for it, so there's a bit of still
more work to do the BSA it does relate to
other pieces of legislation, so there's a little bit of
work to do, but we'll get there pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
How big is the group of people I saw some
woman who I think was a former BSA member yesterday
bemoaning its end. How big is the group of people
who will go it's not fear and you've made a mistake.

Speaker 13 (17:01):
I'm sure there will be plenty, but not huge. I mean,
there were ninety complaints according to the annual port last year,
so we're not talking about huge numbers. And the point
is that there's got the Media Council which will be
there to uphold journalistic standards if people want to do it.
But ultimately the biggest thing is media are vying for

(17:21):
attention with other things such as TikTok and Facebook, and
the primary value is that they can demonstrate that they've
sound independent journalism adding some value. That's what's going to
survive in modern business, not some process that takes a
long time through an independent BSA. I think that if you.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Wanted to, are you going to expand the media Council
to include people like me because I'm not interested.

Speaker 13 (17:49):
Well, the point is it's voluntary, and if you don't
want to be involved, then you can say so, and
you can explain to your listeners why you don't want
to be and if your listeners think that makes sense
and continued listen to you, well that's good. So that
you know it's up to it's up to people to
explain their actions.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, exactly, because I looked up the Media Council and
it's just full of lawyers and consultants. And so the
problem with that is, I mean, on journalistic integrity, I
get around the law. I understand that. But if they're
going to start, you know, making judgments on how I
say things and when I say it and stuff like that,
they have not a clue. They're not qualified to do that,
are they.

Speaker 13 (18:22):
Well, and then well, of course it's up to the
profession to argue about who they want on the council.
And you know that's the same in any kind of
voluntary organization. If you don't like the people in charge,
you can either not be part of it or you
can join it and change the people in charge. And
so that's something you can figure out for yourself over time.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
All right, nice to talk to you, appreciate it. Paul Goldsmith,
Minister for Media and Communications, are the media councils have
literally got lawyers and so the best example I gave
earlier on this week was the Peters story. So Winston
Peter's complains about I think it was stuff Stuff did
a story on the inter Island the ferry. They got
the numbers wrong. They said it was over budget. It wasn't.
They were incorrect. Peters goes to stuff Stuff reject his claim,

(19:04):
which I thought was a mistake. So they truck off
to the Media Council. Media council goes, no, you're wrong,
You've got to correct it. So that's the value of
the media council. I get that, understand it and back it.
But none of those people have ever hosted a radio
program would have a clue what's going on. So if
they start going down the track of you know, I mean,
do I need to explain this to you? You listen,
because I'm what genius small genius, moraately genius, quite entertaining,

(19:26):
slightly off the rails or that that's why you're here,
isn't it? Don't need some quasi group of nutters telling
me what to do and how to do it. Rob
I just got myself in trouble by saying that nineteen
to seven the.

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how will we control the media's standards then with the
appalling Mikey Sherman behavior, Well, you'll do it through the
Media Council, I'm assuming and you'll. But I can see

(21:09):
from the tenor of your text you one of those
angsty people who wants to get on your high horse.
Not that I'm defending the behavior to Mikey Sherman. I'm
just saying that unless she technically breaches a rule, just
complaining about broadcasters is not really a reason to complain,
is it.

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Marco's on his way to see the Pope again. And
what's the outrage level this time with Trump and the Pope.

Speaker 11 (21:41):
Well, we've got a fresh attack, as you might have
heard from Donald Trump attacking Pope Leo, not saying that
he's accusing him of endangering a lot of Catholics because
of his stance on the Iran war. And we were
told by the Vatican that Pope Leo wouldn't be responding,
but he did last night. He actually said he wanted
to preach a message of peace, but anyone was free

(22:04):
to criticize him. He said he'd never supported nuclear weapons
and that those who criticize him need to speak the truth.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Okay, fair enough, No, Now, what was he doing on
the phone to the bank? Is this possible that the Pope?
Does the Pope really wring up the bank and go
and what does he say? Does he go, hello, it's
the Pope here.

Speaker 11 (22:20):
It sounds like a bizarre story. But apparently after his
election he called his local bank in the US to say, oh,
by the way, I need to change my details. And
when he was speaking to the clerk. She said that
you have to come in in person if you want
to do that, and he said, I'm not going to
be able to do that. And then after a little
bit of back and forth, he said, what if I

(22:41):
told you I was Pope Leo and I'm told that
she hung up on.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Him and that was the end of that. I mean,
how many credit calls do you get this deep fake thing?
I'm looking at the photo and Maloney shared this and
this is not a new story per se, but I mean,
where do you go with this? Because when you look
at that photo, you think, my word, the technology is amazing,
isn't it.

Speaker 11 (23:00):
The technology is amazing. And I have to say to
her credit, the Prime Minister, Georgie Maloney was actually making
jokes about these fake images of her wearing lingerie, saying
that whoever created them has actually improved my appearance quite
a bit. But at the same time, she's got a
backlash because some people think it's authentic, and one user

(23:22):
said that, you know, the Prime Minister shouldn't be presenting
herself in such a state. It's truly shameful.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, but see that's the problem, isn't it. She's trying
to say one thing, and some people are so thick
they can't work it out. So I just don't know
what you do about that. I mean, are the laws
of their rules? I mean I assume that it's illegal,
isn't it?

Speaker 10 (23:38):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (23:38):
Goodness knows. I don't know that the Italians have kept
up with that just yet.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
No, precisely. This im forecast twenty two hundred and seventy
euros per year. This is for energy, so this is
gas and power, right, yeah.

Speaker 11 (23:48):
So energy costs could the worst case scenario could cost
Italians more than two two hundred euros. Economic growth, of
course in the Eurozone is expected to low. The IMF
says there's mounting risk of recession as we know, and
Italy is particularly exposed.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Right, so what do they do with the EU? Do
they go to the EU and say, can we have
a little bit of wiggle room on the old debt ceiling? Please?

Speaker 12 (24:13):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (24:13):
Can we have a little bit of wiggle room? They're
pushing for greater flexibility to address the rising energy costs. Interestingly,
the Prime Minister Maloney and Georgia Maloney had a meeting
today with her coalition partners. They want to focus on
reducing Rome's energy dependence. Good luck with that. But I
think behind that, Mike, they want to push for the

(24:34):
reintroduction of or the introduction of nuclear power generators in Italy.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Good that'll be. So it's funny you should say that
because I'm a big nuclear advocate, not because I think
we've all moved from from Three Mile Island and stuff.
And if you want clean energy, then nuclear is clean.
And you've got your data center debate and all that
sort of thing. How angsty is nuclear in twenty twenty
six in Italy?

Speaker 11 (24:57):
I think it'd be very divisive, even though the Wrench,
of course, are a great example of where it can
function function very effectively. Is it a good idea in
a country where there are earthquakes every second day? I'm
not sure about that. You might know more about that.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
No, that's a not unreasonable point. I guess how much
is a house in Milan?

Speaker 11 (25:14):
By the way, Oh, you put me on the spot there.
The prices are certainly going up. A lot of incoming
foreign investment Brits who are disillusioned with the government, they're Americans,
disillusion with Trump. They're coming into Italy and investing at
the top end.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
So exactly, I was reading about that the other day.
There's a nice little tax treatment you've got going there.
So you're bringing your money from offshore and you're essentially
you're not taxed on it, aren't you. There's a tax
break to be there.

Speaker 11 (25:41):
There's a tax break, and there's a flat tax. I
can't remember off the top of my head, but it's
very good for those at the top end for sure.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Forty one hundred euros on told per square meter forty
one one hundred euros per square Meania. That's some serious coin,
isn't it.

Speaker 11 (25:57):
It's not a good situation for the work us exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Nice to see you, Joe, go well, we'll go job
next week. Joe McKenna in Italy. Yeah's funny you should say,
because I'm reading about Belgium yesterday. They're planning to buy
their nuclear reactors from a company Aungie, which is a
French powered giant, to secure their energy supply. So they've
worked out one they need more power and there's a
very good piece in the Herald yesterday by Richard Prebble

(26:23):
on energy abundance, and we don't have energy abundance in
this country and haven't for years, not since the moldoon days.
We are lucky if we get through winter, and all
the climate change nutters are going, oh, just build some windmills,
and that's fine. Renewable's fine, but you're never going to
get abundance. You're just going to get by. And the
problem with constraining your power is you can never grow.

(26:46):
You're only just keeping up. You're permanently constrained. So anyway, Belgium,
they're suspending plans to decommission their nuclear operations. They're going
to reverse the phase out of nuclear energy legislation that
was approved in the nearly two thousands because everyone was
freaking out about nuclear. Only two of belgium seven nuclear
reactors are operational. Their operating licenses have been extended to
twenty thirty five. The other five reactors were shut between

(27:08):
twenty two and twenty five. Same story in Germany. So
slowly but surely people are waking up to nuclear. We won't,
of course, We'll be still busy digging holes in the
ground with geothermal and then wondering why the sun doesn't
shine enough. But you know, and that's why we will
never grow the way we should. Night Away from seven the.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Mike Hosking breakfast with Defender news talks had been we.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Questioned on the jobs from yesterday. So I give myself
some credit because one of the editorials yesterday suggested we're
a little bit more robust than most people think. So
you know, credit to me. Five point three is not
five point four. No one was forecasting a drop. So
is that good news? Yes, it is good news. But
the bad news is if you break it down, the
cities aren't working. Auckland is not good, Wellington's not good.

(27:52):
It's the South Island and the rural economy. So what
to do five minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
And the ouse. It's the fizz with business fiber take
your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Talk to the EMA about that. After seven O'clive Prome
Minister's back in the country and in the studio, hopefully
with my duty free because I only gave him a
smallesh order, so I shouldn't have been a problem anyway.
Where am I? Disney reporting season fiscal second quarter got
a new CEO. He only arrived mid March, so we
can't blame him for anything. So what is Mickey ponied
up for us? This morning? Forty two point three billion

(28:27):
in revenue for the quarter that topped both the company's
prior gardance. In Wall Streets expectations, revenue is up seven
percent year on year, So that's good experiences. That's your
theme parks, your cruisers. That's up seven percent year on year.
Sixteen billion for that. Domestic visitations down a smidge, but
it's made up for by the overseas visitors. Global guest
attendance is up two percent, Local attendance down one, so

(28:49):
that's a net gain of one. Entertainment revenue increase of
ten percent there to almost twenty billion. That's your TV.
You're streaming your theater releases. Kadie Texas before I said
twenty six to fifty on the movie theater where she
was yesterday, Twenty six to fifty for a ticket. If
you want a recliner, it's thirty four to fifty.

Speaker 12 (29:07):
Are you serious?

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Thirty four point fifty just to sit in an empty
movie theater. And that's before you get what you said.
The popcorn's eleven dollars. Do you know how much popcorn costs?

Speaker 15 (29:17):
Cost?

Speaker 2 (29:18):
About two cents, It's cost nothing. Why are you paying
eleven dollars for what? Cost of living? Crisis? See I
can't take people who moan seriously. If you're paying eleven
dollars for popcorn and thirty four to fifty for a
reclining seat, you don't have a cost of living crisis.
Stopped bitching about the petrol cut the popcorn, don't buy
the recliner seat and fill your car up. Where was
I Revenue from subscriptions up fourteen percent even though they

(29:42):
put the prices up to three dollars a month. See
you're there, you go. You're paying that, aren't you? For
your Disney you're paying you another two or three dollars.
You paid that, and you got your recliner seat, and
you're buying popcorn, and you're telling me ninety one is
too expensive. Sport on ESPN's that's working for them. Well,
that revenue is up two percent to seven point seven
a billion, yes jobs in the next half hour. And

(30:03):
this new citizenship test, what actually does that achieve? For
goodness sake? More shortly after the news, which is.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Here yourself think it's the mic costume Breakfast with a Veda,
Retirement Communities, Life your Way news togs.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Head be seven past seven, So last half full the
unemployment rate was to the upside given known was forecasting
a drop as far as I know from five point
four to five point three, the underutilization rate, steady wage growth,
of course a bit meager. The cities are the issue.
Allen McDonald is EMA's head of advocacy and strategy and
he's back with us. Ellen Morning, Morning Life. So what
was your read on seeing fire point three? Is that
good news or bad news?

Speaker 16 (30:41):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (30:41):
I think it was a little bit of a surprise
that had gone down. I don't think anyone was predicting that,
and I think, unfortunately it's going to go back up
and we'll get a more accurate picture when Treasury announced
their figures around the budget at the end of the month.
I think that's what I'll give us, the accurate pix.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Do you know I reckon people are more robust than offen.
The forecast is because I mean, to lay somebody off
is a big deal and you don't want to and
you can see through the war, or at least some
people can, So you'll be hanging on, won't you.

Speaker 17 (31:10):
Yeah, I think there's a bit of that going on.
Like I think a lot of people through COVID unfortunately
realize just the value of good staff.

Speaker 16 (31:18):
So at the.

Speaker 17 (31:18):
Moment, yes, things are a bit nasty with the fuel
crisis and they're round conflict, but they're doing their best
to hang on to people as long as they can
because they do see that it's going to get better
when the conflict ends, and they want those good people
around to help the business get going again.

Speaker 10 (31:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Now the glass up empty problem as Wellington, Auckland or
urban New Zealand. So do you see Wellington in Auckland
as the same story or as Wellington's story in itself?

Speaker 17 (31:44):
Oh, I think that's separate. Auckland, of course is probably
what is the biggest manufacturing center in the country, and
manufacturing and construction are two of the sectors that have
slowed noticeably with the fuel crisis. Wellington's a different story.
It's more I guess civils orientated, and you know, while
the streets aren't lined with homeless civil servants, they have

(32:04):
been tightening things.

Speaker 8 (32:06):
Up along the government's spend. So that's I think it's
a separate story.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
How worried should we be about Auckland the growth? You know,
whether you like Auckland or not, it's a growth engine
of the economy, full stop, and it's six been high sixers.
Now that's an issue, isn't it.

Speaker 17 (32:20):
It certainly is, and Auckland I think is contributes about
thirty three thirty four percent of GDP. The other concern
in there is that one of the pockets of very
very high youth unemployment that fifteen to twenty four is
Auckland and there are parts of Auckland where that's well
into the twenty percentage. And that's a problem worldwide, but
it's a particular problem in two or three hot spots

(32:41):
around the country.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
What do we do about them?

Speaker 17 (32:44):
Well, unfortunately, it's the sectors that tend to soak up
those people that are having a bit of trouble at
the moment. So that's distribution, that's manufacturing, and that's construction,
and a bit of retail as well. So when they recover,
I think you'll start to see those going on. But
also there's a shift in the trends for hiring that
we've seen. So those neat numbers have been rising steadily

(33:05):
for about six or seven years now. When the current
government came in, they were in twelves. Now it's at
fourteen and a half. So those young people aren't getting
picked up out of the schools and politechs and the universities.
There's a post COVID bubble that worries employers that they
just not work ready. And there's another trend with they're
very high and rapid shifts in the minimum wage. Employers

(33:28):
are looking to people with one or two years of
proven experience in the workplace paying them a dollar or
two or more an hour, rather than looking to those
young people coming in.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, interesting insight, right, Allen, appreciate it as always. Ellen
mcdonaldyma's head of Advocacy and Strategy, which brings in the
MOOB Business Monitor yesterday increasing dissatisfaction with the government. And
I'll ask Luxing about this after the half hour because
is the dispact. It's the classic question are you dissatisfied
as a business owner because of the war and do
you blame the government for the war? And how can

(33:58):
you blame the government for the war. But more on
that shortly, it's just gone ten minutes past seven. So
to the new citizenship test from next year, applicants are
going to have to pass this multi choice exam covering democracy,
rights and laws. Past marks seventy five percent. Tobias Toehill
is the director of immigration advisor at you visa and he'swell,
this Tobias morning, good morning, How are you very well?
Is this practical or ideological or a bit of both?

Speaker 18 (34:21):
Seems like an election year to me. They have something
in Australia that kind of works. They have a number
of questions, they get a lot of flack about. They're
a little bit of name. They ask, you know, things
like do you do you think that violence is okay?
Or you know, is it okay to disagree with the
neighbor by beating them? Things like that. I really hope

(34:44):
that they have if they're going to do this, have
it done right, and have it more like countries like Switzerland,
where they actually have a sort of a look at
whether the person's living a good life, whether they're part
of the community, whether they're actually understanding how they country works,
rather than just I guess a driving driving US and

(35:05):
stretch test in a short interview with the cop.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
No matter what the test is, I'm going to tell
you what you want to hear, aren't I Because I
want to be a citizen full stop. It's like doing
your driving test, like I'll do yes, I'll do my
three point term. But I might not be a good
driver in twenty years might.

Speaker 18 (35:18):
I Yeah, that's that's a pretty accurate depiction. There are
countries that do this well. I would say, well, they
do it in a way that maybe its intending. So
Japan they have I was looking at living in Japan
at one point, looked at citizenship there, and they have
a good conduct text So you have to pay your textes,

(35:38):
pay all your driving traffic infringements, or not have any
I certainly can't have any criminal record.

Speaker 8 (35:43):
You've got to have a stable life.

Speaker 18 (35:45):
You've got to actually have a stable address, work regularly,
support your family. And so they look at all of
those things and decided this person actually someone who's being
a good citizen. Okay, we'll let them become a citizen
of our country exactly.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
And that's why Japan is the way it is. I mean,
I love Japan.

Speaker 18 (36:00):
You do too, Yes, fantastic place. They can go too far. Switzerland,
where my sister lives, there's three levels, so they have local, state,
and federal testing. Until about two thousand and three. At
the local level, they actually had a vote in a
community hall where you were there and people would decide
whether they want you to be in the country and
not but bring your hands up, which I think is
a bit brutal. But they have an assessment of not

(36:23):
just proficiency in one of their three languages, but also
they expect you to be assessed at government level as
well as at local level. Has been a good part
of the society and respecting the norms and practices. I
think New Zealand could look at more fundamental things like
the English test is very thin test at the moment,

(36:43):
and we could perhaps expect people to have a bit
more robust English to be able to become a citizen,
or even just being able to sing the national anthem
at the current citizenship test.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (36:55):
Well, my wife became a citizen. She's origin from Japan,
and I stitched up and told her that she had
to be able to send the anthem and Maldi in
English to be able to become a citizen. So she
assiduously learned it for you know, the two three months
going in and then on the day when they were
saying there was quite a little mumbling when you get
to the anthem part, and she was really worried because
she thought lots of people weren't going to pass theismship test.

Speaker 8 (37:17):
It was disappointed if I there.

Speaker 18 (37:19):
Wasn't actually a single test individually at the end of it.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Do you like pulling pranks on your wife and moving
to Japan?

Speaker 7 (37:28):
And I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 18 (37:32):
I do think that genuinely. I do think it's it's
good to want people to learn more about New Zealand
society and government and if they want to be citizens,
actually know more about it. But I think what what
ex putting forward sounds like an election year plug trying
to sound tough but not really having any substance to it.

(37:54):
I would hope that they actually look at things that
bring coat social cohesion more into society and say, you
want to be part of a study to try and
be part of us society, be part of the community,
be part of our churches, or be part of our
sports clubs, or show that you're connected, and then have
people say this person connected and make an assessment saying yeah,
they can be part of us side because they're really
committing to it.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Good on you, mate, Listen. I gotta go. Tobias Towhill,
director of Licensed Immigration advisor at you visa sort a
guy i'd go for a beer with. And I don't
say that very often. He sounds like a fun guy,
doesn't he. And if I was coming to the country
and he was my immigration advisor, I'd befriend them. Got
some news from Trump in a moment for your fifteen
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Speaker 1 (38:33):
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Speaker 2 (38:38):
Ad Be Prime Minister. Shortly seventeen past seven, christ Dutches
looking to lease or sell some red zone land after
a vote from the council yesterday. It's about twelve hectores
out of six hundred, so it's not a lot. If
you know christ Church places like Avnside Drive, Wine Only,
road Breezes, road Film Majors, the Mirror of christ Church.
And he's with us on this feel good morning to
you good one, So it seemed like an easy vote,
no pushback. Is everyone on board with us?

Speaker 16 (39:01):
Well, we've got six people on a co governance committee.
There's three from local Rununga and there's three from council
and we just want we just want to get on.
As I say, it's only where as you said, as
twelve hectares. We're putting it out for a registration of
interest or whatever and we'll see what comes back. We
will not they're all little blocks here and there, so

(39:24):
we won't do the whole lot. We might say we'll
try that but there, and try that there and see
how it goes. We'll see what comes back. We're not
it's not second concrete.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Okay, lease or sell? What's your what are your favor?

Speaker 16 (39:35):
Well? I know up in Auckland they have a lot
of lease land. I wouldn't wind leasing it because banks
apparently will lend money to people buying a house that
see you, and if you don't have to borrow more
money to buy the land as well, it means that
younger people or people that aren't earning as much money
can actually own a house. It's important to own it.
My grandfather was a builder and he used to give

(39:58):
young couple second and third mortgages to get them into
a hat.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
What do you reckon? Demand is? Is it tainted this
land you reckon or not? Psychologically I'm talking.

Speaker 16 (40:06):
About I don't think so. Down as you know christ is,
but down below the Anzac bridge or the bestest street bridge,
we're moving the stop banks back and letting the river
flood out when it gets up in height. But in
the higher reaches the ground is not as bad. Well,
there has to be some work done on the foundation,
so I'm sure. But you've got to remember that when

(40:28):
way back fifteen years ago egg Zone Land was red
zoned by the thickness of All Point pen by someone
in Wellington. Now we know a lot more about things
and there are some little pockets that could well be used.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
All right, Well, I'm wish you the best well and
I hope it works well. Avenside drives a beautiful part of
christ Your job was just used to grow up down
the road from avernside drive and fired the opportunity to
buy a lesson land and Avenside driver. Take it, Mike,
I did the English test when I applied for citizenship
English as my first language. It was a tough test.
It cannot be made more difficult to requirement to get
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Very happy seven twenty four Right, I worry about Paul
Goldsmith's ability to make a decision, as I tried to
suggest to him you know, quietly and politely earlier BSA.
And it's abolition is I would have thought had done
by morning tea, let's move on to the important stuff
sort of call. But he seems to have been waxing
and waning and pontificating for the past two years of government.
At least he's got there though. So the broadcasting Standards

(42:35):
Authority is over, Thank the Good Lord for that. It
was basically from another time, pre streaming, pre international no
boarders broadcasting. It caught a few originals like us left
in a weird old net that made no sense. And
that's on top of the fact they had next to
no complaints anyway, given one, who can be bothered these days?
And two most of the industries professionally run anyway. So
the Media Council will apparently take over some of these duties,

(42:58):
which I'm kind of torn over. I think we need
someone who corrects actual mistakes, you know, factual mistakes. Decision
I gave earlier on the inter Islander story. Found that
the numbers used in the story on the costings were wrong,
so Winston Peters complained he was right, they need to
correct the record.

Speaker 12 (43:14):
Now.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
The point in that particular example, just this week, as
he went to the company who published the story, they
rejected the argument. Now you would have liked to have
thought they were better than that, hence the need for
the Council. But those sort of examples aside. What these
quasi court scened up doing is adjudicating on nuance and
argument based on the moaning of some board loser in
suburbia who'd be probably better off watching less tally, reading

(43:35):
less news and writing a fewer letters. I do worry
about the council. The current lot appear all lawyers and consultants.
There's not a single proper broadcaster there they do. They
tell me have some industry peeps who offer advice. But
let me tell you this, unless you've driven a three
hour live radio program or a live television show with
its varying unpredictables, he got no idea of the pressure
that unfolds literally instantly, therefore the potential for verbal carnage.

(43:58):
And yet that's the sort of thing they passed judgment on. Anyway,
the BSA been they had done that made no difference
in idea, passed its time and will not be missed.
Husky is trumpy on the wall.

Speaker 19 (44:11):
They can't have nuclear weapons. It's very simple. But what's
start to submit. So they had a navy with one
hundred and fifty nine ships and now every ship is
blown to pieces and lying at the bottom of the water.
They had an air force, lots of planes, and they
don't have any plans. They don't have any anti aircraft,
they don't have any radar left, their missiles are mostly decimated.

(44:31):
They have something, they're probably eighteen nineteen percent but not
a looted by comparison to what they had, and their
leaders are all dead.

Speaker 12 (44:41):
So I think we're won.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah, he said that about a million times before, and
he threatened to blow them up again. The difference, he's
got to stop talking like that, either do it or don't.
I think a deals close. If you've missed the news
this morning, one page fourteen point plan the enriched uranium
goes to the state's twelve to fifteen year moratorium on
enriching uranium. The same actions on Iran get lifted, and
that well, then if they agree to that bit, open

(45:04):
a thirty day window to negotiate. Obviously the straits open,
We'll open a thirty day window to do something a
little bit more complex. But by and large, it feels
like this thing is almost over. Mike, I employed twenty
five people historically have employed school leaders, but that's dropped
in the last decade as they're hugely less educated than

(45:25):
they once were, tend to participate in the social problems
endemic in that particular age group, and in that lies
one of the great problems of the age. The Prime
Minister is back in the country and the first thing
he wanted to do is come straight in and talk
to us, So he'll do so next.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
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Speaker 2 (45:51):
Twenty three minutes away from eight. The Prime Minister's been
off sure, of course, in Singapore signing the deal, so
he's he he's high tailed inn as soon as he
as soon as he possibly good when you go back,
Good to see you. Without criticizing the trip of w
it was more photo what because from what you've explained
to us, the deal you signed has in fact been
in action since like last year anyway, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 20 (46:11):
I mean we did it in October last year. We've
been operating under it essentially since then. But it is
quite world leading. You know, there's no other deal that's
like this that's been put together where there's a guarantee
of no export controls on each other in the center
of a crisis. But the other thing I was trying
to do, Mike is I took thirty senior CEOs from
New Zealand and had them meet for a day with
thirty senior CEOs from Singapore as well.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Because while we've had good.

Speaker 20 (46:33):
Relationships prime minister, prime minister and ministers to ministers, we
actually want to broaden out what more investment, what more
opportunities can there be between our.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Businesses as well. So we had our first.

Speaker 20 (46:42):
What's called Singapore and New Zealand Leadership Forum, and we
only do that with Australia. So that went down really
well and there was really good interest.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
So what is the potential, Well, I think it's massive.

Speaker 20 (46:50):
I think you've got two small, advanced economies that actually
are complimentary, actually get on with each other instinctively. These
are the countries that have actually pioneered a lot of
our global trade architecture. CPTPP came out of what was
called the P four which is what we started. We're
doing a whole lot of stuff on this future of
investment and trade partnership with sixteen other small countries, which

(47:10):
Todd McLay will be chairing the second meeting in the
middle of the year here. So you know, there's just
in a will where it's real chaotic and you know
the old orders breaking down from multilateralism to big countries
with more power. Actually small countries coming together a little
like mind like this is really.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Important without diminishing our status in the world. Don't you
feel when you go to Singapore that you'd like to
be more like Singapore?

Speaker 7 (47:31):
Well, it's a lot of great things there.

Speaker 20 (47:32):
I think you've been there like me many many times,
and every time you go, it's just impressed of how
they keep upgrading it. I was when I was eighteen.
One of the first books I read was The Singapore
Story and First World to Third World to First World,
which was the story of Leek on You. But I
was in my hotel room, you know, the other morning.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Just as I which is staying, I say it to
a place where.

Speaker 20 (47:51):
The shangril are. But as I was thinking about it,
I turned the water I'd clean my teeth, and I
was thinking, yeah, okay, where's the water come from and
you know, you remember Singapore doesn't.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Have natural resources.

Speaker 20 (48:01):
They pipe it in from Malaysia, or they've got a
desalination plant that turns salt water into freshwater, and of
course the whole place you could actually pick it up
and plumke it into Lake Talpo exactly.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Having said that, see, I look at Changi and I
look at Singapore as the leader of a country. Why
can't we have a Changy and why can't we have
a Singapore.

Speaker 20 (48:18):
Real line, we have some serious work to do on
our infrastructure if we're really honest.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
The way they go about.

Speaker 20 (48:23):
I met with the SEEO of Changi Airport when I
was up there. They're putting an airport I call it
Number five that'll be bigger than Changy one, two, three
and four combined, and it's going to be quite an operation.
What's impressive there is they do infrastructure planning exceptionally well,
and that's a real opportunity for New Zealand because we're

(48:43):
probably in the top ten percent of countries that spend
on infrastructure, but we're in the bottom ten percent in
terms of the efficiency we get from it. And a
lot of that is because we do add hoc projects.
We don't plan out the joint and the Singaporeans have
a fifty year plan. So if you think about that
Marina Bay Sands, know that that was planned out fifty
years ago about with what they're going to go into
that land, what they were going to put on at and.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
We need a little bit more of that. And you
can't escape the advantage they have, which is yes they
have democracy, but not really and it's a particular model
seems to work well in long term planning day. It's
well accepted.

Speaker 20 (49:16):
I mean they've been going sixty years. They just started
their fourth Prime minister, and their parliament meets are two
or three days a month.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
As it should. Which if you read Kadie Breafort's piece
this morning, we'll have twenty okay, so sure about the CRL.
So he's saying exactly that. So he says we could
have done the CRL for half the price. He's just
reiterated everything you said, which then leads me to ask
the question, why are we the way we are?

Speaker 20 (49:43):
We have been doing things in a really inefficient way,
and like it's nineteen seventy five at times, we haven't
moved on and changed the way we do things.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I agree with that article.

Speaker 20 (49:52):
I actually think I did read that one because essentially,
you know, you can go to I went to Denmark
and you look at Copenhagen to Malmo. They've built what's
called the sun Bridge there that went from idea to
finish within.

Speaker 7 (50:03):
Four or five years. If you look at there's.

Speaker 20 (50:05):
A metro in Quebec that you know, started about the
same time as our light rail project. Within five years
people are actually on a light rail using it every day.

Speaker 8 (50:14):
We are.

Speaker 20 (50:15):
We spend money on infrastructure, but we get a very
poor return on it, and only if you bring it
into even government. You know, how does Ko build houses
that are fifteen percent more expensive in the market. How
do we have one point two million dollar classrooms that
actually when you standardize them, you get them the cost
down half and you can do twice as many classrooms.
So I think you know we have we You know,
part of the RMA reforms is all about that. Getting

(50:36):
rid of regional councils is all part of that. We
have to get much better and more strategic about our
infrastructure planning.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Do you do you reckon people? Hear you when you
say that? See I enjoy talking about the stuff because
I personally think you're right. But there's a couple of
polls out while you're away, one of which is the
NYOB Annual Business Monitor, and there's an increasing number of
people who are dissatisfied with your government. And that's it's
around the very things you talk about. And the other
pole that was out was indicating that that you've mismanaged

(51:03):
the fuel crisis. I disagree with that.

Speaker 9 (51:05):
I know you do.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
I get what I get, of course you do. But
the fact is, do you run the problem an election
year of saying the right stuff but people just don't
want to hear it or believe it.

Speaker 20 (51:15):
Or you've got to say it because you know, if
we just leave things as the way they are and
keep doing things the way we've always done them, we'll
keep getting the same results. And so yeah, you know,
the reason part of the reason I've come to politics
is because you do believe this country can be innately better.
There are aspects of the way that Singapore approach, and
for structure planning, you know you've seen us try that
here with housing and Auckland with a thirty year vision

(51:35):
or plan of where that growth should and should go
to and I get it's a difficult conversation because it's
one we haven't had before, but we've got to have them.
So I think you've got to keep pushing and making
the case for it. But on the fuel stuff, I
push back on that. I mean, you know, we got
organized early, We are actually working well with industry.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
I don't know if you saw the poll. This was
Horizon right, first fifty six percent. I know you don't
like talking about polls, but this, this is the thing
that you should be worried about. Fifty six percent of
people have no confidence in your ability to manage what
some would argue you already have managed. So the only
thing I could take out of that poll was what
they actually wanted was free money. Correct.

Speaker 20 (52:11):
They're in a COVID frame of mind where the cash
Berzuka was sprayed around, the credit card was maxed out,
and the rainy day fund is gone, and the banks
are telling us, hey, listen with credit rating watches, you
need to be careful here, and so we have to
be careful here.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
We don't have But what do you say that? But
what do you do with the fifty six percent of
people who don't want to hear it?

Speaker 12 (52:27):
Well?

Speaker 20 (52:27):
I get people may not want to hear it, but
I have to do the right thing for the long term.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
For would you Hill rather let me ask you this,
Would you rather lose the election having done what you
perceive to be the right thing, as opposed to do
what say Albanese is doing, which is just right, checks left,
right and center and get people on board.

Speaker 20 (52:43):
Well, I'm writing the sequel to the labor government. It
was it's a lovely movie, but the first one. But
I'm actually living the sequel. When the sequel is that
I don't have the flexibility to go spray the cash
around anymore. You know, when you triple the debt and
you write out a ten billion dollar interest bill only
on all of that debts, that is five delead in
hospitals we don't get to build. That is a huge
amount of investment in the country don't get to have.

(53:05):
So we have to be financially responsible. We're actually getting
credit for that. You people internationally think we're doing it.
I get it, I get it, but actually I have
to be a good steward of the finances. And I
think we are trying to find the right balance through that.
And I think when you see other countries picking up
some of our approach. It's a good sign.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
So the moob thing, it's thirty five percent of people
are dissatisfied with you. That once again dovetails in with
that other one, which it seems to be war related.
And you can't be blamed for the war, you.

Speaker 10 (53:33):
Know, But I get it.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
You might be.

Speaker 20 (53:35):
Yeah, but my people are tired, right, I mean, we've
been through a pandemic, painful process. We've been through inflation
and cost of living it's terrible. We've been through Trump's tariffs.
We're now going through a war that's causing consequences for
us here at home. All I can tell you is,
having been around the region, there are countries in the
world that are doing it incredibly difficult tough. Now that
means nothing to a New Zealander because it's actually about

(53:57):
what happens for me here at home. But it's about
our relative performance, you know, if you think about it,
we went into this crisis actually with some quite good
economic momentum. We want to come out of it as
clean as we can and pop back up on those
rails and not have a two or three year hangover
like we did with COVID. You know, the reason it's
been hard is because that COVID spending caused a massive

(54:17):
crash hangover the night after.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Would you still blame that on Auckland because the jobs
numbers yesterday, which was pre war. If you look at Auckland,
they're bad numbers. Then there's about good numbers.

Speaker 20 (54:26):
Yeah, well there's on one level, that's the first time
we've seen a slight dip in unemployment is a month
and there of the conflict of that quarter. But you know,
there's more for.

Speaker 7 (54:37):
Us to do.

Speaker 20 (54:38):
But if you look at the fast trap projects, we've
got twenty fast track projects with thousands of jobs coming
through that you know that have been kicking off. You
think about the Auckland warf, you think about the developments
and Dreary, there's some really good stuff happening there. The
second thing I'd say to you is, you know I
get criticized from some people about my major events fund.
Well it's been really deliberate because that drives jobs and

(54:58):
hospitality and tourism and other things like that, and so
we've just got to keep going with that plan. And actually,
people you go to the South Island, yes, it's different
because primary industries are on fire. There's a whole bunch
of startup businesses in christ Ships that are very exciting,
that are taking on jobs. But you know there are
We've just got to keep going with that.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Okay, citizenship idea that this is act, isn't it? I mean,
you know, answering questions, have become a citizen.

Speaker 20 (55:21):
I mean yeah, look, I mean I could take it
or leave it probably, but the answer for me is
actually it's very very similar to what the UK and
the Australians have been doing for years, and it's probably
not a bad thing that actually New Zealand, you know,
New New Zealanders are positively ascribing you know, some pretty
basic stuff about women's rights, you know, freedom of speech.
You know there'll be you know, I mentioned four categories

(55:42):
as a bunch of questions. They'll be developing about it,
but it's not that it's exactly what Australia and the
UK have been doing for some time.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
So appreciate it. Did you get the four tobler owns
I asked for all?

Speaker 20 (55:55):
Didn't you want some Korean ideal for men's skin care,
moisturizer or.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Something after that? Nice to see Prime Minister Christopher Lacks
than thirteen to two.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
The VIC Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered
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Speaker 2 (56:09):
B brilliant interview with the Prime Minister. He makes so
much sense. Don't understand the other view, Mike bs bs
bs bs bs bs when THATOB Business Monitor though thirty
five percent, I didn't think it's actually that bad thirty
five percent. It's one thousand SME owners dissatisfied with the

(56:32):
Coalition government thirty five percent, thirty three were satisfied, So
it's an even split in thirty one sort of we're
neutral what they want, among other things, reinstating the a
SEC no claims discount for small businesses greater if it's
to simplify health and safety compliance requirements. I mean that's
an AGEOB that's been asked somebody in the Muldoonier. Though
we're saying that change in the current doesn't mean they're
not right. I'm just saying it it will never be

(56:53):
changed to everyone's satisfaction. Change in the current low value
asset right off one thousand and two be a permanent
instant asset right off of ten thousand, doesn't increase the
provisional tax threshold. Action to address insurance affordability for SMEC.
I mean, what do you want the government to do
on that insurance affordability? I mean, do you want to
be in north career? And the government makes the rules
on insurance? Insurance is its own thing. This is what

(57:13):
worries me about the whole election year. There's clearly a
group of people in this country that want the government
to wipe their bum literally, so my insurance bill goes up,
that's the government's fault. Is that the war starts in Iran.
That's the government's fault. How do you square that circle?
How do you explain that in a way that makes
any sense? Energy bill relief via tax rebates. Now, a
tax rebate is just free money. We don't have. How

(57:36):
much free money that we don't have before you're satisfied
if you're one of those people who thinks that free
money is the answer to everything. Eight to eight on.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
My Costing Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate newstalgs NB, if.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
You have no reference that with the Prime Minister. Kady
Bradford this Morning Rights and the Herald about she's interviewing
Shan Sweeney, who was running the CRL project to leave
scarp It off to Ireland and then you scarp it
off somewhere else. He's quit that job as well. But
the point being he's come out and said we're over
specifying jobs, we're making them too expensive.

Speaker 7 (58:04):
Now.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
If I was him, I would have said that a
long time ago. In fact, in the job, I would
have said, we're over specifying this one, we're making it
too expensive. I would have had the courage of my
convictions to say what I believe he's saying it now,
which is better than nothing. But if you look at
the CRL and just to bore people outside of Auckland,
the CRLs are connecting railway line basically underground that's going
to connect up a bunch of other railway lines and
people are going to well, basically, the whole world's going

(58:27):
to change, and the mood's going to change its access
and we're all going to jump on a train or
something like that. Anyway, it's a tiny little bit of
the network. If you look at it on a map,
what's taken years and billions of dollars is a tiny,
tiny little bit of the network. And when you see
it on and mate, you think is that it is
that five and a half billion dollars worth and he's right,
so he's seen it in Ireland as well. A quick

(58:49):
question for you, maybe get back into it after eight thirty.
This Vaughn maybe story right and the Amersfield so Cuisine
yesterday is in the magazine remove them from their Good
Food Guide after multiple problems with these accusations. Now is
this virtue signaling? Is this the cancellation policy? Now, I'm

(59:09):
not defending Vaughn maybe for a moment. I don't know.
I've interviewed them a couple of times on the radio
and I've always talked to him about food. But when
Cuisine hand out their food guide for being the best
restaurant committed to excellence, innovation and consistency and food, do
they then go into the kitchen do they and say
anyone a prick, anyone treating people badly? Of course they don't.

(59:30):
They're judging the restaurant, They're judging the food, they're judging
the service, they're judging the wine list. Why because a
bloke allegedly turns out to be a problem, do you
suddenly feel the need to put yourself front and center
in the public spotlight to go and we're taking them
off the list. It's got that about it, doesn't it?
Or am I being unfair here news in a couple

(59:51):
of moments, it is two years, ironically to the day
since Mel Parsons was last on the program. As soon
as I saw that diary, I thought, hold on, So
I gave Mel a call and she's popping in shortly
with a guitar for a song in a chat and
a ketchup.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
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Speaker 10 (01:00:21):
Lo our Cosmas.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
In a seven past eight. It was this time two
years ago we last talked to Mel Parsons literally to
the day. This morning, the news is good. The old
one is called Castle Hill, the singles grain by grain,
and the tours on all of those details will give
you shortly, but Mel Parsons is with us again. Mel,
good morning, good morning. Now Castle Hill? Is it the
Castle Hill? Asn't just outside of CHRISTI to or something else?

Speaker 21 (01:00:49):
That's right, Yes, it is the Castle Hill, just outside
of christ Church.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I have made who owned a house there and we
used to jump in his Series one land Drover and
drive up to Mount Cheeseman.

Speaker 21 (01:01:03):
To skip amazing, amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
So I didn't write an album about it? Why did you?

Speaker 19 (01:01:08):
Well?

Speaker 22 (01:01:08):
I have written an album about it, Mike. But it's
it's where we made this it's where we made this
album that's coming out. So yeah, Originally it was just
a sort of a placeholder name and then it stuck.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
So, yeah, you didn't make it at my mate's house,
did you? Because there's not many people in Castle Hill,
of course, there.

Speaker 21 (01:01:25):
Aren't many people on Castle Hell.

Speaker 10 (01:01:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 21 (01:01:27):
What's your mate's name, maybe John John? Why didn't you
say so, Mike?

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Did you make it at John's house?

Speaker 21 (01:01:36):
It wasn't.

Speaker 22 (01:01:36):
We made it a big lodge up there actually, but yeah,
unless I mean, look John maywell have a big lodge Mike,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
So do you hire it?

Speaker 10 (01:01:45):
We did? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Okay? Is that where the video was made? A video
was shot in little that, wasn't it?

Speaker 21 (01:01:52):
Watch video video it's coming out my ears?

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Yeah, no, have you well the one I was watching
yesterday where you're standing in your group of four? I
think it was. I think it was done at Littleton,
wasn't it.

Speaker 22 (01:02:03):
You're absolutely right, yes, that was at Loans in Littleton
just after sound check that video was shot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Okay, was that done in one because I was reading
the reviews of that, somebody said everyone loves a one shot.
Was it done in one take as well as one shot?

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
It was yep, pressure a little.

Speaker 22 (01:02:24):
Look, I'm used to the pressure, Mike. I've been doing
this for years now. Yes, Yes, we don't muck around.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Yes you have. Do you realize it's been two years,
literally to the day, since you've been on this program.

Speaker 21 (01:02:34):
That's bananas, isn't it.

Speaker 17 (01:02:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:02:37):
Isn't it just it speeds up? Time just speeds up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I think that's true. But that's just us getting old now.
That do explain because I was doing, as you well know,
my research for this interview. The take that you got
nominated for was that last year and you missed out
to Marlon?

Speaker 16 (01:02:50):
I did?

Speaker 21 (01:02:51):
Yes? Was it Marlon? Was this year?

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
When did you get nominated that time?

Speaker 21 (01:02:58):
That was the year before?

Speaker 12 (01:02:59):
Yees?

Speaker 22 (01:03:00):
Yeah, and yeah I did mess out. But look, it's
always nice to be in the running for these.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Things because Marlin's and Littleton as well, isn't.

Speaker 22 (01:03:06):
He Yes he is, well, yes, he's from Littleton. He's
in the in the close vicinity.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
For goodness sake. So it's all the talents in Littleton
these days? Is that all?

Speaker 10 (01:03:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:03:16):
I mean we've we've just kind of been yeah, exactly,
soaking up the airwaves down there. I don't know what
it is, but yeah, they're sure is a high concentration.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Because the Tate of Courses is named after my old mate, Dylentate. Yes,
and I worked with Dylan Tate for many, many years,
and I could tell you all sorts of riotous stories
about Dylanate, but he's one of those people that when
you know him and you love him, and when you
love him, you never forget him. So I'm glad that
there's a prize that and it seems like a beautiful
prize in terms of what it's required, you know, for

(01:03:46):
you to win it.

Speaker 21 (01:03:47):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 22 (01:03:48):
It's a very cool celebration to have every year. And
it's the fact that it's that it's purely based on
you know, creativity and your industry peers rather than any
kind of commercial, you know, sort of measure, I guess
is pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Where are we at with the number of singles from
this album? Because thinking I'm the album's not out yet,
is it?

Speaker 21 (01:04:10):
It's not out? No, it comes out. It comes out
in August, seventh of August.

Speaker 22 (01:04:14):
Look, there's quite a few songs that have come out
from it already, Mike. It's just kind of the way
that people are releasing these days. I think with the
you know, the way that Spotify and the streaming side
of things works is that you Yeah, you just sort
of start teasing them out, I suppose, And yeah, that's
that's the way we've done it for this record.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Hey, have you got headphones on?

Speaker 7 (01:04:37):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (01:04:37):
I do?

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Right, do you want to play a game?

Speaker 8 (01:04:40):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
So yesterday the Rolling Stones. It's just that suddenly occurred
to me. Yesterday the Rolling Stones released an album, right, yes, Now,
I'm going to play your little clip from the single
and just and first of all, I'm going to play
you the clip. I'm going to ask you what does
this remind you of? If anything, and then I'm going
to play you what I think it reminds me of.
So you're happy to played this game with me?

Speaker 21 (01:05:01):
Absolutely?

Speaker 16 (01:05:01):
OK?

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
So here's the Rolling Stones, right, you got that?

Speaker 12 (01:05:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Does that remind you of anything of a famous song?

Speaker 21 (01:05:18):
Kind of?

Speaker 22 (01:05:18):
It sort of sounds like every famous song and kind
of every Rolling Stone song rolled into one, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Okay, well let me tell you what I thought it
sounded like.

Speaker 12 (01:05:27):
Was this.

Speaker 21 (01:05:30):
Ah too right?

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Yes, Michael Jackson, Oh my god, is that played jurism?

Speaker 22 (01:05:39):
Look, it's such a It's a slippery slope, isn't it.

Speaker 21 (01:05:43):
I think everyone is.

Speaker 22 (01:05:45):
We're all just you know, everyone's a product of their influencers,
and you're just kind of gathering all the sounds and
bits as you go and then you spit them.

Speaker 10 (01:05:52):
Out in your own way.

Speaker 22 (01:05:53):
Well, if you're a human, that is, I mean, the
whole AI things. That's nextly, Well, I thought you were
going to tell me that that first song was actually
an ai no and ai.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
But they're both real. But as soon as I heard
the Rolling Stones, yes, stay, I thought that's Michael Jackson
bang just like that?

Speaker 21 (01:06:06):
Interesting?

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Yeah, it is just speaking of Actually, now you've opened
up the whole new thing. Where are you at? Where
they are? You're freaking out about that?

Speaker 22 (01:06:14):
Oh look, it takes a lot to freak me out, Mike.
I'm not. I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued by I feel like,
I mean, you know me, I'm I'm the eternal optimist,
and I feel like for people like us, you know,
touring artists, people who perform live predominantly. I feel like
it's kind of an opportunity because I think that people

(01:06:34):
actually want, you know, your I r L in real
life experiences more, you know, because you just don't know
online what's what's real and what's not.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
You know, what's touring mean to you, by the way,
because you do a lot of touring. Is touring about
the revenue generation these days? Or you need to be
in front of people.

Speaker 10 (01:06:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 22 (01:06:54):
I mean, you know, I guess it's on the one hand,
it's my job, but also I genuinely it's my favorite
part of the whole thing, is that time with an
audience and and and I don't I don't think it's
I don't think it's being in front of people, But
I think it's it's the what that opportunity gives you
being on stage. Is this this very very special chance

(01:07:17):
just to connect with people. And it's like this, I'm
not particularly who we're Mike, but it's like a bit
of an energy kind of transfer, you know, like you
get out, it comes around and it's it's a very
very special, unique feeling performing live and it just.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Yeah, I'm not either but you know what I mean.
I fully get what you mean. Now you to do
grain by Grain for us? Are you doing something else?

Speaker 7 (01:07:42):
No?

Speaker 21 (01:07:42):
I can do grain by graind for you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Yeah, unless you're taking request. But I want to hear.
I want to. I want to hear grain by Grain,
So to warm yourself up, and we'll take a break
and we'll do it in the moment. How does that sound?

Speaker 21 (01:07:51):
Sounds great?

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Okay, Mel Parsons. She's in our Christ You studio. By
the way, it's our fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
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Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Zippy News Talks. It be seventeen minutes past eight mel
Parsons as well as do you want just before you start? Mel,
do you want me to read you the last text
I got?

Speaker 21 (01:08:10):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
I think so the world needs more mel Parsons. Great lady.

Speaker 21 (01:08:16):
Oh that's so kind, isn't that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Isn't that lovely?

Speaker 7 (01:08:19):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
So, the album's Castle Hill not quite out yet, but
the single is Grain by Grain. Hit us with it?

Speaker 21 (01:08:26):
Here we go?

Speaker 15 (01:08:39):
Shall I rattle on the tape?

Speaker 10 (01:08:44):
I cause my.

Speaker 15 (01:08:47):
I change my mind. I am an empty Shall you
see Louise wash in and out of me?

Speaker 10 (01:09:00):
I am sad. I feel now.

Speaker 12 (01:09:03):
Who paint the waves? Wash me over again?

Speaker 10 (01:09:11):
Quan by a grain by a grain by grain, New.

Speaker 12 (01:09:15):
Build me up overb.

Speaker 10 (01:09:17):
Again quan by a grain by a grain by a.

Speaker 15 (01:09:21):
Grain, New build me up over again.

Speaker 10 (01:09:29):
And shall I have no soul?

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
I close my.

Speaker 10 (01:09:39):
Will I ever be whole? Falling off the wagon?

Speaker 15 (01:09:46):
It's not the end, even when it feels outway, My friend, ask,
will I ever beholder again? You will, my friend? You will,
by friend.

Speaker 10 (01:10:02):
Grain by grain, by grain by grain.

Speaker 12 (01:10:06):
New build me up over.

Speaker 10 (01:10:09):
Begain, grain by grain by grain by grain.

Speaker 12 (01:10:14):
New build me up over begain?

Speaker 10 (01:10:21):
And shall I feel no pay?

Speaker 21 (01:10:27):
My intensions are good?

Speaker 10 (01:10:30):
Then I drift away.

Speaker 15 (01:10:36):
I am as far as I can see, and no
pain is coming for me?

Speaker 10 (01:10:43):
He heaven, I revel.

Speaker 15 (01:10:46):
In sweet who waves and sand washo for me?

Speaker 10 (01:10:59):
Grain by grain, by grain by a gring.

Speaker 12 (01:11:02):
New build me up over?

Speaker 10 (01:11:05):
Begain when by a grain by grain by grain.

Speaker 12 (01:11:10):
New build me up over?

Speaker 10 (01:11:13):
Begain when by a grain by grain by a gring.

Speaker 12 (01:11:18):
New build me up over again?

Speaker 10 (01:11:25):
And shall I have nowhere to be? Him? You and
you owe me?

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Do you want some instant feedback? Hit me more? Text
uh mel opened for training in Auckland last year she
was bringing it. Loved the interview. Did you open for train?

Speaker 21 (01:11:49):
I does?

Speaker 7 (01:11:50):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Wow, what a beautiful song. OMG. Fifteen seconds into Mel's song,
I loved it. Amazing, world class another one. Even his
speaking voice has melody. There you go, Oh.

Speaker 21 (01:12:02):
Too kind tell them to come to our tour make.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
I will, indeed, I'll give you all the details on
the tour because that's not until August September.

Speaker 22 (01:12:09):
Ism it's August September. The pre sale the Precyle kicks
off Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
All right, you're a delight. I always enjoy meeting and
catching up with you, and you singing us a song.
So I'll see you on the seventh of May twenty
twenty eight. Okay, that sounds awesome.

Speaker 10 (01:12:25):
We'll see you then.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Good on your nast see Mail Parsons A twenty.

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August early September for mel Mel Parsons website go to
a website's Malpassons dot com and does sort it all
out for the Times and dates. My Cuisine Magazine's ridiculous
allegations only feeling for all chefs. Ramsey was worse than
as one of the most successful chefs in the world.
I'm off to London next week to try as Luckycat restaurant.
Let me know how you go there. That's at Bishopsgate.

(01:14:01):
And if you haven't seen the Ramsey documentary, it's a
good one. It's on Netflix and it looks at the
development of Bishopsgate and is about four or five restaurants
within Bishopsgate High building, tall building in London. There's a
special degastation thing he's got going on there with the
table for twelve, He's got, Lucky Cat's got, He's got
a bunch of restaurants up there. So I thought Lucky

(01:14:21):
Cat looked just a bit big, a bit factory. But next, please, next,
please that. But let me know how that goes for you.
Mike carbenbuying Cuisine magazine for years no more? Who do
they think they are? Judge and jury? That's my argument.
This is not to defend once again to reiterate this
is not defend whatever the allegations are against Born. Maybe
I don't know. I've got no skin in the game.

(01:14:42):
All I'm saying is cuisine magazine hands out awards or
recognition for the food on the plate. No one goes
into the kitchen, no one goes behind the studio microphone.
But you know, just judge the person on what they do.
All the rest is for other people. So it had
a touch of they had a touch of the old
cancel culture about it. That was all news is next

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and then Rod on election day in the UK.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
You're trusted home for news, sport, entertainment, opinion and Mike
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Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Concerned it down in Australia. The big story in Australia
is these thirteen Isis people are links to ISIS or
Islamic State. They're arriving back in the country now. The
Home Affairs minister guy called Burke, Tony Burke. There are
four women, nine kids. They've been in northern Syria. You
know the story. So when we were talking to Murray
Holts just last week, so less than a week ago
they'd gone to the airport. The problem is they've got passports,

(01:15:44):
and if you've got an Australian passport, you can land
in Australia. Second problem was they got tickets, and so
if you got a ticket, you got a passport, guess
where you're landing. So they got to Syria Airport and
they were turned around and I was asking Murray at
the time what happened there and he was inferring. The
government at stepped in and sort of semi solved the problem.
Next thing you know, they're landing today. Now the problem

(01:16:05):
is that the police have been investigating since twenty fifteen
whether these people may have quote committed Commonwealth offenses, including
terrorism offenses such as entering or remaining in declared areas
and crimes against humanity. Now the concern's going to be
when they land today, they're going to be arrested. Now,
the kids aren't going to be arrested, and they're going

(01:16:26):
to be potentially charged. So the four adults now being
charged and arrested is not the same as being contained
or arraigned or stuck in a cell. So the chances
are these people are going to be charged and after
being arrested and they're going to be let out into
the community. And I was watching a press conference yesterday
with Elbow and he was being very circumspect about the possibilities.

(01:16:47):
But somebody was suggesting the bill to monitor these people
is two million dollars per person per year for the
rest of their lives. So you don't think that's a problem.
So that's unfolding in Australia today twenty two.

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Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Meantime, we will go to Britain and election.

Speaker 8 (01:17:10):
Dave was Ron Little morning, Make good morning to you mate.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Election day. Of course, I want to talk about the
nation generally, but London specifically, because I was looking at
some polling yesterday. The broad sense of the polling appeared
to be, and this was one of these major polls,
the broad sense of it seemed to be Greens to
do well in central London, reform and the outer bits
of London and labor gets decimated. Is that fair or not?

Speaker 8 (01:17:33):
That's pretty much fair. It may have changed over the
last seven days because more and more attention has been
focused upon the sheer lunacy of the Green Party, and
it may have persuaded a few voters not to vote Green.
Are there are somewhere in the region of thirty Green

(01:17:55):
prospective counselors who are currently being invested gated the anti
Semitic language and rabble rousing, and this has struck home
a bit. It's been one of the lead stories in
the papers for the last week, and zach Polanski has
also had to come up to the stump to defend

(01:18:18):
various lies. He has told is assent to the leadership
of the Green Party, so as the fact he was
an official spokes for the Red Cross, such as the
fact that he could hydna size women into making their
breasts grow, which we've talked about before.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
I believe that, yeah, you don't want to do that
and be a political party leader. From my experience having
seen all of that. If you don't vote Green, where
does that vote go? Does it go back to labor
or do the libdams or where.

Speaker 8 (01:18:50):
Labor all it dens? I think in the South it
goes to the dens with a future labor. In the
North it goes to labor. The big question at the
moment is how many seats to reform take you know
there's five thousand seats up for grabs. I know that

(01:19:13):
they will take Sunderland, for example, which is a big
council on the northeast coast, and you'd expect them to
reform to take that. They have no councilors at the moment,
but will have sixty odd tomorrow. Then it percolates down
to Gateshead, Newcastle and various other red wall redoubts which

(01:19:34):
Labor would hope to retain, but it really won't retain.
I think what this election will show is that Labor
cannot win when it's up against reform. It possibly can
win when it's up against the Greens, and that brings
a whole different kind of slant to the way our

(01:19:54):
politics tilts in the next few years.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
How does it get judged at the end of the
day when you talk out the seats up, I mean
you'd be more interested, would you not, in the control
of the council. It's all very well, they have three
seats on the council you don't control. So if they
end up controlling a lot of councils and therefore that
policy gets implemented, that's the real trouble for the government.
Doesn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:20:15):
The real trouble for the government. I mean, yes, say
you're right, of course, but the real trouble for the
government is whether the backbenches of the Labor Party look
at these election results and say, look, I'm going to
lose my seat at the next election because of this
clown we have who is leading us. Therefore, I'm going
to press I'm going to join the Rainer and Streeting

(01:20:38):
and Milivan camps to press for a new leader. And
how many think, no, that's too dangerous and the my
guess at the moment is that quite a few will
be going on the no, that's too dangerous path. Interesting
given that that's given that that's what they did after

(01:21:00):
the millibag.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Business, is there a number that Labor can spin that
it wasn't as bad, you know, it could have been worse,
or is it just going to be so bad they
can't talk the way out of it.

Speaker 8 (01:21:11):
They do it them if they lose fewer than fifteen
hundred seats, they will talk it up as victory. But
it's a peculiar kind of victory to me. You know,
someone who's who's accustomed to going along to watch Millwall
every week, and if we score two goals and the
opposition score one. We've won. Losing by fifteen hundred seats
does not seem to me an enormous victory.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
What do you vote on locally? I mean, are the
individual issues locally or is it all about anti Semitism?
Or is it all about Starma being a dufist, or
is it all about the surge of reform or what?

Speaker 8 (01:21:45):
That's a good question. It's split certainly for a lot
of people. It's all about anti Semitism and pro Islamism,
which is the Greens, of course. But there are a
large number of councils run by the Labor Party, particularly
up in my neck of the words, up here in
the northeast of England, which has done rather well, you know,

(01:22:08):
and which have rejuvenated their town centers and spent money
to disiously. I think that might come into play a
little bit. I don't think people are quite ready to
ditch Labor completely up here at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
All right, might you go well, and we'll catch up
next Tuesday with some results, right, A little out of Britain. Potholes,
by the way, and polling is the other big one, remarkably,
cost of living, health services, crime, and potholes. Cost of
bringing pothole played local roads up to speed was about
forty two forty three billion dollars New Zealand. There are

(01:22:49):
one point nine million potholes in Britain and even if
they wanted to spend that eighteen and a half billion pounds,
it would take twelve years to fix it. So that's
our bad. Britain roads are eight forty five.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Thirteen away from nine. A beautiful piece in one of
the Australian outlets yesterday about the snooker, which of course
was played in Britain a couple of days ago, the
final at the Sheffield a crucible. So the Chinese won
and he was another one. I didn't explain it at
the time, but he was another one. And what people
have got to understand to do well in snooky you've
generally got to leave your homeland.

Speaker 14 (01:23:29):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Snooker traditionally has been a very English sort of sport
or British sport, and a number of years ago they
took it to China as a promotional exercise. And if
you ever want an example of how to promote a
sport fantastically successful or successfully, there is no better example
than snooker, because snooker in China has absolutely exploded. But

(01:23:49):
to be successful, you've got to leave your homeland and
you've got to end up basically in Sheffield, go to
an academy. And this guy Yitsa who won the other
day Wujitza left Shanghai as a kid they're often twelve
or thirteen years old, with his dad in this case,
and they lived in a windowless room sharing a bed
for years on end, while he literally just trained and
trained and trained and trained and trained and trained n

(01:24:12):
till he became world champion. So the inception of the
World Championship was in nineteen twenty seven, and until nineteen
twenty four, no one outside of England or Britain had
ever wont it, apart from Horace Lindram in nineteen fifty
two who was Australian, Neil Robertson who still plays He's
Australian two and Cliff Thorburn in nineteen eighty who was Canadian.
No one from men far Leest, no one from Asia.

(01:24:32):
And yet this year and last year the Asians have
arrived and at the very highest level. Now, this is
where it gets interesting. The scale of snooker in China staggering.
Fifty to sixty million people play it, fifty to sixty million.
How many snooker halls are there in China, Well, in

(01:24:55):
two thousand and five there were thirty four thousand. How
many you reckon there are nowadays three hundred one thousand,
three hundred thousand snooker halls. How many people watch last
year's final from China alone, one hundred and fifty million.
That puts it right up there with the most watched
per head of population, the most watched sports in the world.

(01:25:16):
So if you ever want an example of a sport
that exploded because of exposure and promotion, snookers.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
At ten to nine the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Defender News,
Tom said, be.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
On the podcast. You can listen to tenatus. One of
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three hundred and fourteen thousand new deliveries in April, so
that's a decline and they've been declining now for eight months,
and they were the ones who are going to go well.
But the competition in China and EVS is so great
now and you've got so much choice. Even a market
leader like BYD is having an element of trouble. Internationally,
They're still doing reasonably well. But Leap Motor, Zeka zomy.

(01:27:01):
I mean, they're all here, I think, aren't they Neo,
They're all doing okay, but they're doing z ping xpin.
I saw a review of one of these the other day.
They called it xping, as I thought was zp. Anyway, whatever, See,
when you can't even pronounce the name of the car,
why would you buy one? I mean, for God's sake,
you go into the shop, what are you buying? Can
have an Z? But I mean what anyway, they're all
encroaching on BYD's and they're all going to fall over

(01:27:24):
eventually anyway, with a possible exception of Gilian BYD five
minutes away from.

Speaker 14 (01:27:28):
Nine trending now with these, you're one stuff for Mother's
Day fragrances.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
So earlier on with the mel Parsons plagiarism thing, so
we did in the Stars with the Stones and Jackson
ru I mean, Sam can't hear it. But Sam's also
colorblind and he's got a limp, so I don't know

(01:27:56):
whether they're all connected. But anyway, so that's played all
day long anyway, So I thought about what about twenty
twenty three. You remember this couple of years ago, ed
Sheeran thinking out loud. Now, he was sued by Marvin
Gaye's estate. Too similar to let's get it on see See.

(01:28:18):
Hieron argued that it was common building blocks. He won,
So maybe my case doesn't hold up in court. There's
no question as similar, but maybe on that because I
would say that's about as similar as the Michael Jackson one.
Then we go to two thousand and nine, so this
was Coldplay's Viva la Vida. But then as soon as

(01:28:40):
you hear that, you go, we'll hold on here. What
about Joe Satriani didn't even close to.

Speaker 11 (01:28:49):
Bring the same.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
I don't think it's closed to bring the same that
was settled out of court. That's what they did. I
mean half these are settled out of court scenario, isn't
It's just like, you know that sounds the same? Now
it doesn't, Yes it does, No, it doesn't. Do you
want to fight it for ever, no said allowed of court.
So that wasn't a very good one, not as good
as the Seer and Marvin gay one. But then what
about Katie Perry's dark Horse sued by Flames joyful noise?

(01:29:16):
I don't even know that's some of our own, is it?

Speaker 11 (01:29:18):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
No, we're dismissed. But then the most famous one of all,
of course, was blurred lines Robin Thick. What did he
claim to be then? Was he drunk or high or
both at the time he was sigh? That wasn't anyway,
And once again old Marvin Gaye's estated they have been
relativious of what Marvin gay came in with, got to
get it up, and that one famously did go to

(01:29:41):
court and it ended in the five million Dollar Player.
But you know, what do you do? So we'll see
where it goes with the Stones and Michael Jackson. But
the Michael Biotheck is fantastic, according to all reviews so far.
Back tomorrow morning from six four Friday morning, look forward
to Your Company Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
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