Full Show Podcast: 10 April 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
V Willy, You're welcome today. I look into the quality
of our preschool centers. I look into the quality of
our rivers and waterways, to look into the quality of
our charter schools. We've got John Bolton, security advisor for
every Republican administration since Reagan on the Seasfire, Tim Occady
after right, Richard Arnold the Murray Old's Pony app as well.
Ask welcome to the day, seven past six. Here's an
irony for you this Friday morning. Could it be that

(00:34):
the Prime Minister, the one so disliked by the media,
is actually so good at his job his numbers are
a result of his excellence. See the poster. David Farrer
has broken down this week's pole the Courier poll. He's
broken down the New Zealand First Pole numbers. Now small warning,
the New Zealand First Pole numbers are not accurate in
my humble opinion, Given the New Zealand First have gone
up four percent, that's a thirty ish percent swing in

(00:56):
their favor. Parties, as I said this week, don't go
poor down at that rate ever, But it is true
to say New Zealand First has been this year on
a bit of a role. Multiple polls show growth and support.
Farah's breakdown showed the majority of that new support is
coming from National. Why well, New Zealand First for some
will be what National art, straight up and down, hard ass,

(01:17):
no nonsense. Peters and Jones tell it like it is.
It's a divided world and there's an appeal to it.
Good piece yesterday, by the way in the Sydney Morning
Herald reporting the same thing. Major parties are basically cocked
it up for decades. Pauline Hansen comes along, it's her
time to shine back here. What has lucks and got
to do with this? Well? Support the government or not.
He's held together a very successful collap three parties, first

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time ever in an official arrangement. They work together, they
get along together, and that has brought faith in the
idea that you can have MMP and small parties can
not only survive but actually prosper. All three parties will
go to the election this year in good standing. You've
not been able to say that in the MMP era before,
from the Alliance to the May Party that the Greenston

(01:59):
New Zealand First themselves. All minor parties have previously suffered,
if not vanished while in government or in government arrangements.
The luxe and CEO approach, opened to so much media derision,
has in fact paid dividends, so much so his own
party might have bled support, such as the confidence he's
been able to foster in a mature and adult arrangement.
Whereas the election draws closer. It wasn't every man for

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himself as it has been every other election, ironically the
downside to the success but for National. But as I
said earlier this week, the days of major parties well
into the thirties is going, if not gone. You can't
have ten to twelve percent smaller parties and hold thirty
five plus. The numbers simply don't work. If the Left
ever got a solid third player, Labour would have the
same issue. National won't be enjoying this truth, of course,

(02:44):
But if you're an MMP fan, the maturity of what
we've seen this past two and a bit years cements
the future for potentially stable and adult government. It's the
model as to how it should be done.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Why news of the world in ninety movement this.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Morning on the Israel front nt yah who will talk
with the Lebanese directly? But that news came after they did.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
This was the same as Gaza disaster that people.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
In this doctor had to do. Some of the patching up.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
We received in our own institution, for example, seventy two casualties,
six of them dead. Our efforts are basically aimed ors
taking care of the ones. Weekend, sut the bitch.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
As far as the Americans go, they're ready for talks
this weekend, but on standby it falls apart.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
US forces have paused offensive operations in accordance with the
ongoing ceasefire. However, we remain present, we remain vigilant, and
we remain ready if cold.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
The head of NATO has maya culprit as well. He
said they were too slow and he's run his eye.
Love American line.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
American leadership.

Speaker 6 (03:52):
It's absolutely essential if freedom is to be the rule
and not the exception.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Still with military matters that we got the they revealed
the Russians via submarines have been in the waters for
a month. The Defense secretaries but.

Speaker 7 (04:04):
Mithed to President putin I see, we see you, we
see your activity over our cables and our pipelines.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Little do it. And then the Artemis crew standing by
for re entry this weekend.

Speaker 8 (04:15):
Gosh, I haven't even begun to process what we've been through.
We've still got two more days. And riding a fireball
through the atmosphere is profound as well.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, that re entry is going to be interesting. News
of the World in ninety Equation will do it shortly
with Andrew. But it's a little bit sticky some of
the numbers coming out of the US overnight, and it
hasn't helped with the jobs either. Disney's announced previously they
laid off seven thousand. They have announced they laying off
another one thousand. This is Disney. I think Mickey's safe,
but the marketing department isn't. Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
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Speaker 2 (04:59):
Here's an interesting bit of pushback Maine, as in the
state they are about to become the first state in
America to ban the building of data centers, and so
it's been approved by both chambers, going to be signed off.
Similar bills have been introduced in more than a dozen states,
So a lot of people going on about how many
data centers we're going to have, well, not everywhere. Fourteen
past my dad, I'm sure, partners. Andrew o'callahad, good morning,

(05:22):
very good morning. I've been looking forward to this, the trichometer,
the truck and meter. I love it. Have we got
have we got good news or not?

Speaker 9 (05:28):
Well, it's been in in tenth week, hasn't it? With
so much to focus on the global geopolitical developments. But
at the risk of repeating myself, the wheels of the
local economy do keep turning. And given I'm about to
talk about the am zent trachometer, you'll have to excuse
that very weak attempt at a Friday punt.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
But yeah, let's bring it back, let's bring it back home.

Speaker 9 (05:49):
And there's a reason why let's get real with some local,
raw New Zealand data. And why not because Mike, this
is high frequency data and the arbianz Ha just told
us they've got high frequency data on their radar. It's
March data. So I'd call that conflict adjacent. And it's
a direct line, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
Because it's petrol diesel involved here, So a bit of
a disclaimer.

Speaker 9 (06:09):
You shouldn't make a yes, we shouldn't just look at
one month's numbers, So we've got.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
To look for trends. So what did it do?

Speaker 9 (06:14):
Light traffic index, good indicator of the state of demands,
six month lead on momentum. Well, unfortunately it fell, Mike,
two point four percent month or month. But if you
look at the year on year number, it's up three
point six percent. And what if I say you've got
to look at the trend, Well, at the moment, I
would call the trend ambiguous.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
So you had a big lift in February. That's reverse.
So were people choosing to drive less in March? I
don't know. Did people make that call over March?

Speaker 9 (06:42):
Maybe you wouldn't be popping the bubbly on the light
traffic index though I wouldn't have thought heavy traffic index
good steer on production. It rose zero point four percent.
But Mike, there's a much clearer trend going on here.
It's in the right direction. So I'm going to join you,
Mike in the glass half full club. You're in interpreting
this one supportive of New Zealand economy.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
So a little bit mixed good stuff US. Was it sticky,
that number a little bit sticky.

Speaker 9 (07:06):
Which when we talk of the information, Yeah, ah well
it came and bang on expectations. So look after that
brief diversion, a brief segue into local data, back to
the sort of more serious and perplexing job of trying
to look at the aftermath of the Middle East conflict,
sort of looking through it. You have to remember, Mike,
I'm in the investment game. Investing is a long term game.
You've got to look through these periods. So we got

(07:28):
to ask the question, has the big macro picture changed.
There was quite a bit of data out last night
in the US, fairly key data, sort of hoping to
shed some light on what's going on. So, yeah, the
priced DAB that's the inflation DARDA. This is the PCE
index two point eight percent year on year for the PCA.
This is the one that the Fed looks at. That

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was bang on expectations. Core PCE three percent also bang
on expectations, but it's still a little bit too high
for the Federal Reserve. And they told us they are
expecting persistent increasing energy, but there's a limit to how
long you know.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
They'll be able to look at those What else did
they have? They had you GDP?

Speaker 9 (08:09):
Did you see there was a fourth quarter GDP sort
of the final lesson it, a fourth quarter GDP that
fell went from zero point seven percent to zero point
five percent.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
But don't freak out on that.

Speaker 9 (08:19):
It looks like there's some kind of technical data related
distortion in there as well. So all in all that
data to me is looking like, yes, we know the
jobs market is calling in the US, but at the
moment it looks reasonably resilient.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Okay, and reporting season next week. Of course. What about
the interest rates, the bonds that yields, all the other
market stuff.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
The other's happen, Yeah, quick updates.

Speaker 9 (08:39):
So how market said, Well, local interestrates, Mike, they fell
after the they fell after the news of the SEASPI.
They've given up all those games. So local concerns and
that shot across the bow from the RBN said on Wednesday,
that's outweighing the ceasefire relief rally.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
So don't really like that.

Speaker 9 (08:53):
And despite Economist's call to the contrary, the market is
still pricing in a number of interest rate heights before
the end of the year. The local share market did
ecot a small game yesterday. I'm looking at the positive here.
It's up two point nine percent so far this week.
If you're an importer, you'll be chairing the stronger New
Zealand dollar. It is quite a bit strongness. It helps
the prices of imported fuel not so much our exporters

(09:16):
quickly Brent crude. So we saw that ceasefire slump in
the Brent crude price down a sort of ninety five bucks.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
I'd say the market that isn't convinced yet that the
ceasefire is going to hold. And how many times have
we said it?

Speaker 9 (09:29):
I'll ask the question, is oil flowing through the straits
of Hormors? I saw reportedly on today that said the
grand total of seven ships had been through in the
last twenty four hours. So not quite convinced on that yet,
although it's the price is falling in the last couple
of hours, just on this news that.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
He talks with Lebanon will start and they'll do something
in Pakistan over the weekend and we'll get there eventually.
What are the numbers?

Speaker 9 (09:51):
The numbers as they stand, and we have another weekend
on the edge of our seats, though, don't we.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
Yet another one?

Speaker 9 (09:57):
The Dow Jones is up three hundred points point sixty
three forty eight thousand, two hundred and nine, The S
and P five hundred up thirty one points, just under
half a percent six eight one four the mark. Then
the Nasdaq is up one hundred and twenty eight points
point five to seven percent twenty two thousand, seven hundred
and sixty three. Overnight, the fort to one hundred was
barely moved down five points.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Then Nika lost three quarters of percent five five eight
ninety five the close there.

Speaker 9 (10:22):
The Shanghai Compost lost almost three quarters of percent three
nine sixty six. The Aussie yesterday gained about a quarter
percent eight nine seven three the close there and the
ends the next fifty we gained twenty points point one
five percent thirteen thousand, two hundred and seventy three. But
the plucky little battle of the Kiwi, it is soaring
at point five eight seven h point eight two seven

(10:43):
seven against the Ossie point five zero zero nine euro
point four three sixty three against the quid nine three
point one eight Japanese en gold four seven nine seven.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
I just note my.

Speaker 9 (10:53):
Physical oil physically, I think I've talked about this is
called dated Brench doll want for hundred it was it
one hundred and forty four, fell to one hundred and
twenty four yesterday it said at one hundred and thirty two.
So again a little bit of disbelief in there, but
break crude as I look at it as ninety five
dollars and sixty five cents, which is.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
A heck of a lot better than one hundred and
ten bucks.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Close the week out on that, hold on to your trampoline.
We'll see you Monday. Sure, And partner's Andrew callaher with
us this morning. Ask very interesting research, major research into glps.
I'll have for you later. But news out this morning
that the golps have become so accessible, so common in
the US that everyone obviously goes out and buys new

(11:36):
clothes and they are looking currently at a thirteen billion
dollar an You will boost in spending directly because of
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Speaker 1 (11:48):
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Speaker 2 (11:57):
The Iranians are claiming that Harmony, this is the Supreme
Leader has decided to say, I personally don't believe it.
I don't think he's alive, and if he is alive,
is in no shape. I mean the fact you've not
seen him speaks volumes. Iran will bring management of the
strait up emos into a new phase, whatever that means.
We will certainly demand conversation reaching every damage inflected, and
that's part of a ten point plan, of course, So

(12:18):
give that as much weight as you want. I think
there's a whim for Trump this morning. Rutter has said
that member countries are doing everything Trump has requested to
strengthen the military alliance, even if some were initially a
bit slow to provide support. So they may are culprit
in the end. But I'll tell you what war is
very good for ratings just in from the States. Cable
News Network is Cable News through the roof of Fox,

(12:39):
C and NMS. They've all gained in the last five weeks.
In fact, Fox is still first, MSNBC a second these days,
but Fox Fox's viewership is up twenty four percent in
the last couple of weeks six twenty five.

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Speaker 2 (12:59):
Today America November this year, Route sixty six is one
hundred and there are events throughout the year as you
would imagine commemorative stamps being put out. That's exciting. Oklahoma's
first musical road is open for business. It's a rumble strip,
whereas if you drive over it at a set speed,
you will hear Woody Guthries very.

Speaker 10 (13:19):
Best, this land is your land and this land is
my land in the California.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
That's not actually what you will hear, because that's the
actual song when you originally recorded. This is actually what
you'll hear on the rumble strip and worth going to Oklahoma.

(13:52):
Designer plans to put user and do you if you
back up, does it play backwards? And if you back up,
do you run into all the people behind you in
their rental car going? We drove all the way to
Oklahoma to drive over this rumble strip. The designer plans
to put musical roads and six other states along Route
sixty six throughout the year. The charter schools story that

(14:13):
we will talk to David Seymour about. I'm a big
if you're a regular, I'm a big fan of the
charter schools, not specifically an individually, I'm a big fan
of the charter schools because they bring choice, and choice
is always all powerful, especially if you're a parent, and
a parent of any child knows that not all schools fit.
And the unions will tell you that all schools fit
and it's one big box and you just pop in

(14:33):
there and will all be okay, despite the fact that
all the evidence suggests that's not how life works. So
the charter schools have come along. One of the great
criticisms has always been, particularly from the unions and the
Labor Party, that ah, while yeah, you could do that
if you gave them the sort of if they gave
the public schools the sort of only the charter schools have,
then we'd all be well off.

Speaker 11 (14:53):
Well.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Interesting new numbers this morning. Turns out charter schools per
student are in fact cheaper than the date school equivalent.
David Seymour later.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
The newsmakers and the personalities, the big names talk to Mike,
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Speaker 2 (15:15):
Just happening now Flotus Millennia, she of the documentary has
come and I'll explain it in the moment she's saying this,
I call on.

Speaker 12 (15:21):
Congress to provide the women who have been victimized by
Epstein with the public hearing specifically centered around the survivors.
Give the victims their opportunity to testify under oath in
front of Congress with the power of swar and testimony.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
So she's come out of nowhere to say that. She
claims there's something going on on social media, but she
doesn't front up anywhere publicly normally apart from an Easter
garden to say things like that. So we watch the
space Richard Arnold Shortley twenty three to seven bags all
the ways report news out the smalling obviously doesn't like
the paint of flash picture. Of the nine hundred ninety

(16:03):
eight groundwater monitoring sites, forty five percent had the coal
I above acceptable levels. Nearly half of the river link
was considered unsafe for swimming. Jillian Blyth, there's the water
New Zealand Chief Executive in as well as Gillian, morning
to you, Good morning mate. There's no surprise here, is there.

Speaker 13 (16:17):
No, this is not a surprise. I think it's an
important wake up call though for all of us.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Do you reckon It'll be a wake up call every
year for years to come, and we'll say the same
thing over and over again and nothing will happen.

Speaker 6 (16:29):
I think now.

Speaker 13 (16:29):
We've we've got with this report. It's the best set
of information that we've been able to pep pull together
that with this report, with ongoing monitoring, we can all
make better decisions.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
How much information, how much of it's farming.

Speaker 13 (16:47):
I think we need to accept that it's actually everything
that all of us do. You can't you can look
at a particular sector, you can look at what the
what the drinking water, wastewater and stormwater contribution is, but fundamentally,
all of us are making an impact. And I think
the critical thing that comes across in this report, because

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it focuses on groundwater, is that what we do today
for some water environments will not actually show up for decades,
and so what we were doing in the early two
thousands is beginning to appear in the results now. And
I think that's when I think we need to be
able to think about not just what are day to

(17:28):
day decisions, but the impact on teach generations and on
the future environment.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
How much of it's about councils who would say it's
all infrastructure. We don't have the money. We do never
have the money. How much of it's about that, absolutely.

Speaker 13 (17:42):
That there has been contributing factors, about what's the quality
of stormwater discharges into the environment, how many of them
have got consents. Some of it will absolutely be around
water wastewater overflows and discharges, or the amount of drinking
water that we have tracked from the environment. All of
those are going to be contributing factors and we absolutely

(18:04):
need to do the investment that's there. We need to
also think about not just about fixing the pipe, but
making sure that we're thinking about the nature based solutions.
What are we going to do, What are the wetlands
that need to be put in place, what are the
you know, some of the green roots, what are the
you know in some parts of the country. We need
to make sure that we're improving our water efficiency, you know,

(18:28):
making sure we're providing signals around to to you know,
to mum and dad around how much water are we
consuming within our houses? You know, as you know, right,
we've talked previously about the fact that you've got a
meter in Auckland and I don't have a meter in Wellington,
and so all of those things are an important part,

(18:49):
just as you know, what what we've flushed down the toilet,
making sure it's the three p's, peper and paper only,
and that we're you know, we don't flush the medicines.
I mean, that's one of the things that come the
cost here is that you can see that, you know,
pharmaceuticals do not get removed at the wastewater treatment plant.
They just go through. And so you know, if you've

(19:11):
got old medicines that you are thinking that you need
to get rid of, please don't put them down the toilet,
just put them in the rubbishton.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Very good advice, Jillian, you have an excellent weekend. I
wish you were with your campaign. Jillian Blythe Who's the
Water in New Zealand Chief executive wells this morning. John Bolton,
national security advisor to everyone from Reagan on and the
Republican side of the equation. He's with us after seven
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Speaker 2 (21:03):
So it would alloy to you, good morning, Mike, right
where are we at with Pakistan the weekend the ceasefire?

Speaker 15 (21:08):
Etcter Well, her new diplomatic test is looming for the
Sunday your time. After the ceasefire that wasn't the day
old supposed deal between the US and Iran divulged. That
we saw into chaos with Iran mostly locking down the
straight of Hormo's oil channel. After the Israeli slashed out
with one of their most violent at tax in Lebanon,
striking sites in Beirut, with at least one hundred and
eighty two people killed in hundreds more wounded. So this

(21:31):
was their biggest assault. Just as Trump was trying to
draw a line on the war and get out. Netta
Yahu now has authorized direct talks with Lebanon, presumably under
US pressure, but the Lebanese are saying they will not
negotiate under file, so we'll see what happens on that score. J. D.
Vance now is heading to Pakistan for talks with the
running officials, talks that will not be easy. Steve Whitcoff

(21:54):
and Trump's son in LAWD Jared Kushner also will be along,
but already Vans is criticizing Iran's parliamentary speaker Mohammad Gellibeth.

Speaker 8 (22:01):
I actually wonder how good he is at understanding English,
because there are things that he said that frankly didn't
make sense in some in the context of the negotiations
that we've.

Speaker 15 (22:11):
Had so challenging, the Iranians intelligence might not be the
best of As for the straight of Full Moves, it
has mostly shut down. Only eleven ships, including just three tankers,
have passed through since the ceasefire. That compares to an
average of one hundred and thirty eight ships a day
before the war. And I Run is policing the straight
something they did not do previously, says Richard Hasse. Foreign

(22:31):
policy advisors of both Republicans and Democrats, who says Gulf
states are very concerned.

Speaker 16 (22:36):
After five weeks of war, we are objectively and arguably
worse off. They are worried that at the end of
the day they're going to have to face this angry,
capable Iran and they've learned we can't defend them. They're
learning the hard that they can't depend on us.

Speaker 15 (22:50):
So that's his fore you While retired General David Petraeus,
a military a chief and former head of the CIA,
says the idea that run now will start running the
Strait as a multi million dollar toll booth is disturbing itself.

Speaker 17 (23:03):
If it's two million dollars per vessel, which is reportedly
what some companies have been paid to transit, and you
multiply that times one hundred or more ships a day,
that is a very substantial amount of hard currency to
enable Iran to repair the extraordinary damage that has been done.

Speaker 15 (23:20):
There has been a lot of dispute over what the
initial supposed ceasefire plan was meant to cover. Is Iran's
and rich uranium stock approximately four hundred and forty kilos
of uranium and reached up to sixty percent purity. To
be handed over or kept by the empowered Iranian regime,
Are all sanctions on around Tobe lifted and US forces
to get out? Trump now says the actual ceasefire issues

(23:41):
are not those being talked about publicly. Fair Enough, still,
there are clearly wide differences in The meeting in Pakistan
is expected to be the first of several intense negotiations
before there is any real agreement. Meantime, First American born
Pope Leo the fourteenth unlikely to visit the US for
its two hundred and fiftieth anniversary celebrations this year after
what was a train wreck of a meeting between Trump

(24:01):
officials and a Vatican diplomat. That meeting in January described
now as being a quote bitter lecture warning that the
US has the military power to do whatever it wants
and that the Church had better take it side. Since then,
Pope Leo has been taking issue with US policy, calling
on world leaders to drop the quote desire to dominate others,
and then adding over Easter that it was quote truly

(24:22):
unacceptable to threaten to wipe out a run's whole civilization.
So White House and Vatican on the outs, and.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Then we look up and see if she comes back
home nice and safe.

Speaker 15 (24:32):
Yes, tomorrow around midday your time is the moment when
the four member crew of the Orion space capsule scheduled
to ride a fireball back to the s orbit. That's
how astronaut Victor Glover describes it. Anyway, as the Atom's
two mission team is preparing for their homecoming after the
history making flight around the Moon, they have traveled further

(24:53):
from the Earth than any humans before this. They will
pierce the Earth's atmosphere at speed of just over forty
thousand kilometers per hour. That is said to be some
seven times the speed of sounds, so generates quite a
lot of heat around the campsule, says pilot Glover, this.

Speaker 8 (25:08):
Entry thing, I'll be honest and say I've actually been
thinking about entry since April third, twenty twenty three, when
we got assigned to this mission. One of the first
press conferences, we were asked what are we looking forward to?
And I said, splash down, And it's kind of humorous,
but it's literal.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (25:23):
That re entry heat can top twenty seven hundred degrees celsius.
So they seal the camp sure with special heat resistant materials.
So when They tested this during the Atomous one flight
in twenty twenty two, which was uncrude. The heat shield
had some big chunks that broke off. NASA's saying they
fixed this now, and astronaut Glover.

Speaker 8 (25:39):
Says, we have to get back. There's so much data
that you've seen already, but all the good stuff is
coming back with us. There's so many more pictures, so
many more stories.

Speaker 15 (25:48):
Yeah, those photos, I lose the photos bike and of
course the astronauts there a brave crew.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
So you're Monday. Richard Arnold Stite saw it. Other thing
in the America's at the moment is Anthropica been in
court because of course the Pentagon HeiG Seth said, we're
not going to deal with you. You you you give
us what we want with your chat, GBT, your AI,
you claud all that sort of stuff, and unless you do,
you're out. So they were out, at which point Anthropics
sued them, and yesterday they lost, so one for heg

(26:14):
Seth zero four, Anthropic ten to seven.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
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tomsen vs.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
I should also tell you that the price to be
used car in America's a record levels at the moment's
gone up six percent in the last month of Lione.
This is why they've stopped the war basically, of course,
he couldn't contain it anymore. Average, they said, about twenty
million news cars in America every year. Average cost to
be used cars now twenty five thousand, and the supplies
dropping too, so you know, supply demand average new cars
about forty nine thousand. I also note this morning with interest.

(26:43):
I wasn't aware of this, but they're looking to automatically
register young men in America. That's very German, given what
we know about the Germans this past week automatically register
young men for the military draft. Up until this point
you had to do it voluntarily once you turned eighteen.
It is in fact illegal not to register stuff. Nothing
actually happens, but they think by doing it automatically somehow

(27:05):
they'll streamline the whole system.

Speaker 18 (27:07):
And presumably you have to be a man, and you
can't have a beard and.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Way very difficult to tell. You'd need to identify as one.
I'm assuming. Also Madagascar, by the way, is also declared
an emergency two week nationwide state of emergency over the
fuel They of course run their electricity system on fuel.
So that's a bit of a problem they have any way,
persistent power and water shortages because they're a basket case
and in enacting these emergency powers yesterday they didn't quite

(27:34):
explain what they meant or how that would unfold or anything.
But then that's Madagascar five minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
All the ins and the outs. It's the fizz with
business tiber take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
We'll get to the Greg Carstrum, who's the economist's man
in the Middle East after seven o'clock. Just work out
what's going off in nt Yahou and eleven one and
Pakistan this weekend. Wellington City Council, quick question for you,
does Wellington do anything well? What is it that Wellington
does well?

Speaker 11 (28:02):
Quick?

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Quick, quick startup for ten What is it that Wellington
does really well? Latest problem is the council and limbs
if you're not up on this one twenty eight days currently,
and that's kind of illegal because the rules are you've
got to get one within ten working days. So the
whole market at the moment's up ended because you go
and put an offer and you do the deal, you
buy the house or do you think you buy the house,

(28:23):
you're getting the limb on the offer, and then the
limb doesn't come back, and then the deal falls over
and you're grumpy and they charge you for all of this.
Of course, now, despite Q one quarter one always being
the busiest time of the year for sales, the Council
said demand to be continue to be high for feb
and March, which we had not planned for. Their words,
not mine. We had not planned for despite the fact
they knew that this is a busy time of year.

(28:45):
So they're now looking to aater make the limb process. See,
the sooner AI does this, the better. This is where
AI is going to be really useful. I've got another
AI piece for you later on mayor study in developers
and jobs in the future of AI. It's not as
bad as you think. So in other words, AI is
not going to replace all the jobs you think. In fact,
it may well create some, but more on that later. Anyway,
back to AI and Wellington. Once they stopped the water

(29:07):
coming out of the pipes and the wrong places, so
once they automate that should all work itself out or not. Anyway,
they charge you five hundred and sixty three dollars for this.
And this is the problem with councils and monopolies. They
provide the service, they're the only one providing the service.
You've got to use the service, and you've got to
pay the fee that they tell you you must pay
five hundred and sixty three dollars, and then having paid

(29:27):
that fee, they don't do the job. How does that work?
Oh Wellington? John Bolton, so security advisor, UN ambassador of
course through the United States. There's nothing this guy hasn't seen.
What's he make of it? The week, the week's Trump,
the mid terms, the whole kitten kaboodle. He's with us
after seven thirty this morning.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
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Speaker 2 (29:59):
Way, use to Even so, the word currently associated with
the ceasefires, of course, shaky, in no small part because
Israel seems to think Lebanon may or may not still
be fair game. Israel maintains Hiszbela is not covered by
the agreement agreed. Carlstrom, middle East correspondent at The Economist
Political author is with us. Greg Morning, Good morning for you.
So the news in the last couple of hours that

(30:20):
nittnya who's going to have a word worth Lebanon over
the weekend or some stage soon. Does that solve this
part of the problem or not.

Speaker 11 (30:27):
It helps?

Speaker 19 (30:28):
I mean it comes after Donald Trump had a word
with him. I'm told he read nat and now the
Riot Act in the past few hours, and so I
think that does mean the Israelis will restrain their bombing
in Gaza they want in Lebanon. Sorry, they won't cease
it entirely, but we perhaps will not see the sorts
of horrific scenes that we saw on Wednesday, with one

(30:51):
hundred coordinated break the country, one thousand people killed and injured.
There will be less of that in Lebanon, and there
will be these negotiations. So the Israelis will come that
down and hopefully that will take away this to the
broader ceasefire in the region, the one between America, Israel,
and Iran.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
The Lebanese president sometime a couple of weeks ago, in
the fog of war. You forget when it happened, but
the president came out, I thought interestingly and said, look,
his blar is not Lebanon. Lebanon's not let his balar,
let's have a word. Did that go anywhere?

Speaker 5 (31:22):
It didn't.

Speaker 19 (31:23):
I mean they have been offering direct talks the Lebanese
government for a number of weeks now, and there was
a somewhat receptive statement from the Israelis a few weeks ago,
and they said they might be willing to do that,
but they didn't move forward with those negotiations. I think
we're at a moment now where Hesbela in Lebanon has
become deeply unpopular even with many of its own constituents

(31:48):
or supporters, who blame it for dragging the country into
yet another war now at the best of it Iran.
So there is a moment politically when there's chance to
do something about their weapons, about their arsenal, but the
Israelis didn't not at that opportunity. Are now being pushed
into it, I think by the Trump restriction.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Very broadly, if this is it, if the peace talks work,
if the war is over, is Israel satisfied with what
they and the Americans have been able to achieve in Iran.

Speaker 19 (32:18):
It really depends on the outcome of these negotiations. If
America and Iran managed to get to some sort of
more comprehensive deal where the Iranians, let's say, close down
parts of their nuclear program, agree to ship out of
the country the stockpile of four hundred kilograms of near

(32:38):
weapons grade urani that they have, if they agreed to
maybe some other concessions, either around their missiles or their
support for groups like Hallah. If they make those kinds
of concessions, I think the Israelis would be quite satisfied
because it would diminish the threat they have from Iran,
which is their main state adversary. But if the audience

(32:59):
don't do that, if we end up with a very trumpy,
you know, bare bones ten point agreement that doesn't actually
not too much, or if the talk's still and we
end up back to a version of the status quote
we had on February twenty seventh before the war. In
that case, I think the Israelis will not be satisfied.
Around will still have it's urim stockpile, it will still

(33:22):
have the ability to fire missiles at Israel. The things
they set out to do in the war will be unachieved.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Great appreciate your expertise. Having good week in Greg Helstrom,
who's the Middle East correspondent, at the economist line, not
the greatest, but we got there in the end. I
think ten past seven new data back home. New data
this morning from Hero Education Review Office on our ECE
sector early childhood, forty seven percent of standalone services were
below the quality threshold. Now if you think that isn't good,
it is actually better than the sixty four percent who

(33:49):
were below at the year before. So what's going on.
Kelly Seberg is the chair of Advocates for Early Learning
Excellence and as will this Kelly, very good morning to you.
Good mone so glass half full. We are improving, and
I would argue materially sixty four to forty seven is
pretty good, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (34:06):
Well, it is definitely an improvement, which is great to see.
I guess this fig could certainly highlight that there is
variability in standalone services and ECE, and I think there
were some really interesting findings from AERO that said we
really do need a systemic approach across the sector to
develop leadership and professional development and intectual teaching practices. And
I completely agreevers with their findings and at the moment

(34:28):
accept the chances to how well an EC service and
this time and development of their staff.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Is this being driven by anybody so next to you
when I get you on it's down to thirty five
or thirty two or thirty one or whatever.

Speaker 20 (34:41):
Well, I guess ERO would say, well, if we provide
these reports, this should be listing services should be using
these to help improve their quality of training. But there's
actually no there's no real peace to these reports. At
the end of the day, you know that they are
made public, and hopefully that's the way that services don't
want to be embarrassed by having a poor ERO review.
But I think I think there needs to be far

(35:02):
more than that. We can't leave children's education for their
transition into school and their lifelong learning outcomes to chant
and say oh well, some that service providers might say,
well a bad review, it's fine, there's nothing when we're
not going to improve because we're still giving people through
the door. So I do think we need to have
a much stronger systemic approach to lifting the professional development

(35:24):
of our teachers across the museum as an e CE
and leadership at a real area of that needs improvement.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Well, hopefully when we get you back next year, we've
got even better numbers to report. Kelly appreciate it. Kelly Sieberg,
as the BORG is the chair of the Advocates for
Learning Excellence. Speaking of education is revelation a too strong
a term on this business of the charter schools. The
man behind the charter schools, David Seymour, in a moment
thirteen past.

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Speaker 2 (35:54):
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and then to christ dur at fifteen past seven. He's
with us just before eight, by the way, fifteen past seven.
So on this broad education theme we got the role
news this morning. Roles for the original seven charter schools
have increased by three hundred percent since opening. Costings are
interesting as well, because the claim has always been from

(36:16):
the unions that charter schools are way too expensive. In fact,
they're claiming and where they get these numbers from, I've
got no idea, but they're claiming up to ninety thousand
dollars a student. So what it actually is at primary
level is eighty two hundred per child compared to the
state at eighty seven hundred, so it's in fact cheaper.
We find out. David Seymore is the Associate Minister of Education,

(36:36):
is with us Morning.

Speaker 11 (36:38):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
As regards the roles, I mean you're playing with figures here.
I mean they're real figures. But two fifteen to six
fifty eight in the original seven and fourteen seventy one
over sixteen schools, I mean there's still small numbers. So
small numbers produce big percentages, don't they.

Speaker 11 (36:53):
Yeah, I think that's fair.

Speaker 21 (36:54):
But it's still true that the number of children of
those charter schools is quadrupled, which is a sign of
very healthy growth. If it was the other way round,
I'm sure people would be jumping all over us. But
I think for the way that charter schools show the
power of possibility, that you can have a school that
uses trainee teachers as additional teaching aids, helping them get

(37:17):
certificated and increasing the number of adults in the room
for children that have had a learning challenge, Well that's
the kind of creativity that's being used, and you can
do that with the flexibility of funding, and frankly, just
that possibility that charter schools operate.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Is this the final thing you needed to prove because
the choice argument we've been arguing back and forward for years.
Labor don't like it, the unions don't like it, but
at a cheaper cost, because they always said, way more expensive.
If only we had that money in public, look what
we could do. And yet proofs in the pudding, isn't
it Well, it's always.

Speaker 21 (37:54):
Been the case that childhood a charter schools funded the same,
no more or less than a childild at a state school.
These figures show that it may be slightly less, and
the reason for that is that every now and then
a new program or initiative is added on to the
state school system and that money goes to state schools automatically.
It doesn't always go to charter school So, if anything,

(38:16):
there's a natural disadvantage that charter schools get a little
bit less. Nonetheless, because they have the flexibility, you know,
they can be shut down if they don't reach the
attendance targets, they can be shut down if they don't
reach the academic achievement targets. But in return for that,
they get the flexibility to use that money their way.
And as a result, not only were seeing the numbers growing,

(38:40):
but attendance that charter schools is higher than state schools,
even though several charter schools were set up precisely for
children who had been basically not attending at all.

Speaker 11 (38:51):
And there's some.

Speaker 21 (38:51):
Wonderful stories where they've really turned their lives around and
just the last year and become regular attenders because they've
seen something different.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Where do the unions get the ninety grand from? Did
they literally make the stuff up?

Speaker 11 (39:03):
No?

Speaker 21 (39:03):
What they did was they took the total budget for
the charter school program, which has issued over four years,
because that's how government budgets are done, and that includes
the initial policy design and the setup of the thing
and everything that you have to do to get something
up and running. And then they took the first terms

(39:24):
role figures, which was pretty small because not many people
enroll at a state school, charter school, a private school,
or any kind of school in its first term. And
then they divided that and they produced a huge figure. Now,
I just hope they weren't maths or accounting teachers, because
what they should have done is divided over the ten
years that we have contracted these schools, how much money

(39:47):
will be paid out at their eventual roles, which they're
showing every sign of meeting and then you get an
honest figure. We've replicated that and we've shown that actually
they paid less.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Good on you. You have a good weekend, preciate at
David ty More, Associate Minister of Education. I should also
point out these similar numbers apply to secondary school as well.
In other words, it's cheaper at a charter school than
it is at a state school, which then brings you
I would have thought to the final question, because there's
been going on for years. Charter schools are not new,
they've just been very controversial. Hipkins killed them when he
got back into power. You remember that they were up

(40:19):
and then he killed them ideology. It brings us to
the final question. And the final question is this, do
you dislike choice? And if you argue, we'd love choice,
but it's so expensive, Now that you know it's not
expensive or more expensive than state, can you possibly argue
against it? You don't have to use it, it's not compulsory,
but can you honestly argue against something that is cheaper

(40:41):
and for some people better.

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(41:57):
Time now to mark the week. Little piece of mus
current events that will will need to be tied to
a trampoline which is also tied down when Vayarnu arrives.
Are the war six it's eimed the way at least
some thought anyway would within six weeks, last minute high drama,
now a bit of back and forward bit. Eventually, like
all Middle East conflicts, we'll all go home. Artemis seven.

(42:19):
I failed, you know, personally to get us fizz as
some have this week, but the other side seemed cool.
The photos were cool, even if you saw the same
photos fifty years ago, done by a Kodak fuel crisis
seven Early wobbles seven yep seven early wobbles with those
jerry cans. But eventually it's settled, and by the time
the ceasefire came Wednesday, it appeared when we would have
been okay anyway. Irony of ironies, the Pilot Rescue six.

Speaker 22 (42:42):
A pilot reborn all home and accounted for a nichean rejoicing.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Brilliantly executed, brilliantly sold, especially by Hegseth. But you only
rescue a bloke in a cave if someone shot you
out of the sky. And Old Pick didn't spend a
lot of time talking about that.

Speaker 23 (42:58):
But JD four ceasefires are always messy.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Now, if you were tossing up between all barn or
Magia this weekend, would some too icee from America swing
of Itte, I mean really open AI and people first
three watat they offer ideas for jobs while slashing yours
and wanting you to pay for their service. Is that
root or is that genius? Pipes seven PVC and the
reality check plastic is everywhere along with oil. In fact,

(43:25):
there's oil and pipes. The renewables crowd got the rudest
of wake up calls these past five weeks. Saint you
reckon commodities nine another week, another record for New Zealand
and pretty much everything we sell going gangbusters, it turns out.
Reserve Bank seven a press conference after each announcement. More detail,
more insight, more knowledge, more Please Apple fifty. I'm not

(43:46):
an Apple person, but you can't hide the brilliance of
the story and success. I mean a garage to multiple trillions.
I mean that's the American dream, isn't it. Macron seven
World Leader of the Week in my book, when having
been insulted by Trump, told them to be serious, stopped
walking every day. He sounded adult at a time when
Trump sounded deranged, petty and childish. Alban Easy four easy

(44:07):
to forget now we've got the ceasefire. But good leadership
is increasingly rare in commanding primetime television to address the
nation only to tell you people not to panic, is
not it? Speaking of which the government's will response seven.

Speaker 5 (44:18):
People are not going to be sitting at home baking sourdough.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
No Australia, the US, we killed them, we spanked them.
We were the adults in the room who've explained it,
planned for it, did the job appropriately, while Alban Easy
gave us sort of a durn Hipkins vibes and panicked
with free cash. And that's the week. Copies on the
website and a wartime commemorative edition of this will be released.
It's point eleven in the ten point Plan. Pask what's
going on with the weather forecast? Drama? Have a look

(44:43):
at the coast guard of metsurface apps. Are there being
no resemblance to the messaging. I don't know that I
want to touch on this, but I'm looking at my
forecast for the weekend. The worst is I've got for
Sunday for me where I am twenty meals of rain
for the day. I've got a southerly coming in at
thirty the peaks thirty six thirty seven, k's southerly. I

(45:06):
don't know what to do with my trap? What do
I do? Do I feel life threatened? Should I cancel
my holidays? Should I stay off the road? Should I
stop reading the Herald News? For you? In a couple
of moments, then John Bolton.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
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Speaker 2 (45:31):
Three minutes away from it. Some inside into how epic
fury plays out. John Bolton, He's seen it all for
the United States Ambassador to the United Nations, of course,
security advisor to every Republican administration since Reagan, including Donald Trump.
John Bolton as with us. Good morning, glad to be
with you, Thanks for having me, let's start with the
what next does the ceasefire lead anywhere permanent?

Speaker 22 (45:53):
Well, it certainly doesn't look like it's off to a
very solid beginning, and I'm not sure what what its
prospects really are. I mean, as early as this morning,
the head of the United Arab Emirates biggest state owned
oil company said there's no opening of the Strait of Hormuz,

(46:13):
which Trump said was a fundamental precondition to the ceasefire.
We do have these talks us Aaron talks now scheduled
for Saturday in Pakistan with the Vice President leading the
American delegation. So you know, we're forty eight hours or
less away from those talks beginning. It may not make
all that much difference, because what happens that in Islamabad

(46:38):
may really set the direction for the next weeks and
months after that, or maybe not. But I don't think
there's any immediate prospect of hostilities recommencing before those talks
on Saturday. Whatever is happening in the Gulf.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
What's your suggestion of the level of disperation from both
sides not to fight again.

Speaker 22 (47:00):
Well, I don't think there's really much desperation on the
Iranian side. They are their rather primitive view of the
world is they win if they survive, and what they're
interested in is preserving the regime. They think they've been
able to take a lot of pounding so far and
they're still there. I think their position is much weaker,
but I don't think they feel the pressure. I think

(47:22):
Trump's the one who feels the pressure. I think he
looks at oil prices going up and equity markets going down,
and he wants out. And I think the Iranians the
regime senses that, and I think it leaves Trump and
the US therefore in a more vulnerable position.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
What does Trump need to do well out of this regime?
Change hasn't happened. There's no proof that the nuclear weaponry
has been the ability to make nuclear weapons as being destroyed.
What does he need to say I won beyond what
he's saying already.

Speaker 22 (47:53):
Well, I think there is substantial damage to their nuclear
program and to the institutions of state power, like the
rebel Lutionary Guard, the Kods Force, the besieged militia that
threatened their neighbors, threatened the US, and others threaten their
own citizens. But it's not finished. That's for sure. I
think what Trump really needs to do, if he's not

(48:14):
willing to pursue regime change at a minimum, he's got
to open the Strait of Hormuz with military force. The
US military always knew that closure of the Strait was
a possibility that Iran would try. I know they're ready
to do what they need to open it. I think
some activities are already pretty well underway. I don't understand
why they aren't farther along, why they weren't begun earlier

(48:37):
in the war, But I do think that would be
an important answer, because if you don't prove that we
can open the straight through military force, now, what's going
to happen the next time Iran tries to close it?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
This is what the critics designed, particularly in America, before
this the strike was fine. Now it isn't. That's on Trump,
Isn't it No?

Speaker 22 (49:00):
Because the Iranian side was building up the capacity to
close the straight. They have fortified a number of islands
at the southern end of the Gulf and in the Strait,
really use tunnel systems like hamas uses in Gaza, building
up their drone and fast boat capabilities. And then I

(49:20):
think what they were really looking for was when they
had all that in place, and then they get nuclear weapons,
then their threat is really hard to withstand because is
their behavior going to be better or worse when they
get nuclear weapons.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
So that takes us back to the very beginning. The
very reason for this in the first place is broadly speaking,
Trump right to have done what he did.

Speaker 6 (49:47):
Well.

Speaker 22 (49:47):
I don't know what his objective is to this day.
If his objective were regime changed, there were a lot
of things he should have done differently, it's not too late,
but a lot inside Iran helping the regime's opponents, giving
them assistance, money, telecommunications, weapons, whatever they need to help
stand up against the regime. I do think that substantial

(50:10):
damage has been done. But the reason we look at
regime change is that after forty seven years of trying
to change the behavior of this religious autocracy, it has
not succeeded. If anything, people in charge now are as
bad or worse than their predecessors. So if you can't
change their behavior, the only other alternative is regime change.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Explain to me from your years of experience. When Trump
told us he was surprised about the size of the
Iranian navy, whenie City had complete superiority before the planes
got shut down, when he city was surprised at the
Gulf Stites being hit. How do you explain that?

Speaker 22 (50:47):
Well, I can't because I can tell you both during
the first term when we talked about potential policy with
respect to the regime in Iran, and I'm sure in
the second term, although I wasn't there to hear it,
the military and intelligence representatives could tell him in great
detail what these possible threads were. That's what the purpose

(51:08):
of the whole National Security Council process is. To put
the president in possession of all the necessary information, giving
the potential contingencies, giving the options, the pros and cons,
and let him make a decision. So it's impossible for
me to believe, even if he didn't remember anything from
the first term, that he wasn't told all that before

(51:30):
his decision to launch the hostilities.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
I note Mike Ruther this morning is said that NIGHTO
were a bit slow. Is Trump right on NATO need
to do more? And is that relationship in serious trouble
or is this just talk?

Speaker 22 (51:43):
Well, I think it's been in serious trouble since his
first term. I think Trump made a mistake by not
consulting NATO or any other ally frankly in the Middle
East and the Pacific before the operations began. But I
also think the Europeans have made a mistake to say, oh,
this is not Europe's war is just wrong. They've suffered

(52:04):
in Europe more terrorist attacks that you can trace back
to Iran than we have in the United States and Canada.
And just a little hint on geography for the Europeans,
they're closer to Iran than we are, so Iran's intermediate
range ballistic missiles can range almost all of Europe. They
can hit the United States. Everybody's affected economically when the

(52:26):
Gulf has closed. Europe should recognize that Europe needs to
think a little bit beyond the European continent.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
And speaking of which, these comments from Trump in the
last twenty four hours on Greenland again, is that real
or divisionary?

Speaker 22 (52:40):
Well, I think that's Trump just blustering. I think once
you press the button on his feelings about NATO, a
whole long string of things come out. And now we
know that Greenland is part of the repertoire. I don't
think it indicates any uptick in that. I do think
that his lack of feeling for the NATO Alliance, his

(53:01):
lack of understanding really how it works and how it
benefits the United States unfortunately hasn't changed since the first term,
and it's a problem for the Alliance, no doubt about
it. It would be a huge mistake if he were to
withdraw the United States in my view, and that possibility
remains as long as he's president.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
The wash up your view on the wash up for
the midterms? Has he damaged himself and his party badly?

Speaker 11 (53:27):
Well?

Speaker 22 (53:27):
I think his popularity has taken a hit because of
this war. That's one reason he's desperate to get out
of it. I think it has more to do with
the rise and the price of the pump of gasoline
and economic insecurity than the war itself. And his view
is probably correct. If he could get out of the
war tomorrow, oil went back down roughly to where it

(53:49):
was before it started. Markets stock markets went up to
where they were before. Probably not much effect by November.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
We'll get you back on again soon, John Bolton for
now appreciate it from the United States Nation or Security
Advisor John Bolton seven Good.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
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Speaker 2 (54:09):
It'd be I my great interview with Bolton, balanced and objective,
even though he fell out with Trump. Mike, that guy
was great. Ditch the other American correspondent. What a great interview,
very matter of fact in those what he's talking about, Mike,
be honest, Why not divulge Bolton was sacked by Trump?
It's not a matter of divulging it. It's it's if
you know anything about public politics or American politics, it's

(54:30):
well known Trump doesn't sack people in secret. It's John
Bolton's one of the most high profile, intelligent, wise, and
insightful operators on the American political scene. So why would
he have sacked them? Because everybody gets sacked by Trump? Mike,
I get you reweather warnings. They're damned if they do,

(54:51):
damned if they don't. Rosie, That's not my point, weather
warnings or weather warnings. What I'm talking about this week
is once again the hysteria and obsession of the media
in instead of have you seen just let me ask
you this quick question. I'll come back to it after rape.
In the alarmism that you've seen of the pending cyclone
for the North Island, the entire North Island this weekend?
Have you seen a single forecast in the commentary that

(55:13):
tells you how much rain is coming in, what the
wind speeds are like? In other words, have you have
you seen one singular piece of actual detail when they
say big wins, What do they mean when they say
a lot of rain? What do they mean when they
say life threatening? How have you seen any of that
at all? Or have you just seen a lot of alarmism?

Speaker 1 (55:32):
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Speaker 2 (55:37):
Talk zedby Mortie Mike, did you get her into telling
the story about your kids over? He said, No, I didn't, Graham,
and thank you for reminding me. I might later if
I get time. Stepping away from it now is Matty Paine,
who was on the program yesterday told us a lot
of excitement in the paddock around the Supercow's doubleheader Taupo
this week in christ You to next fifty thousand expected
accommodation in Taupa at the moment ninety two percent full.
Two and a half thousands Australians have made the trip.

(55:58):
Tony Quinn, of course, is the owner of the tape
International Motorsport Parkings back. Well, that's tiny morning.

Speaker 24 (56:03):
To you, Borry sir.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
You've got to be loving seeing how TAPO these days
has been utilized since you brought the place.

Speaker 24 (56:12):
Yes, it's fuir, it should be. I'm very, very proud
of the team. They've done a great job. The grass
is looking them and proper and the tail is buzzing,
so it's all good.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Everybody's upbeat, fantastic. It's no small feat to get supercars
across the Tasman given you know, the physical problems associated
with it. A supercars visionary in your view, Are they
doing a good job.

Speaker 24 (56:38):
Yes, I mean it's as you would appreciate. It's not
an easy job to satisfy all the critics, and you
know they've done a reasonably good job. I mean there's
always things that we can improve on, and you know
every year we look back and say, well we can
do that better. So, you know, but I think in

(56:59):
gen I think the fact that we're doing a doubleheaders
this year in New Zealand is testament to the fact
that we believe in New Zealand. The market in New
Zealand is strong for the it supercars and we get
a lot of support. So now I think we're doing
as good as we can given all the bloom and
dramas that face the world at the moment.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Exactly. I was talking about pain yesterday, we were talking.
You would know this, having spent a lot of time
in Australia these days, that in terms of television coverage,
in promotion, nothing is increasing faster than motor sport and
supercars is part of that. Do you see and feel
that as well? Does it feel like a sport on
the up?

Speaker 24 (57:42):
Yes, it does and we need to keep up with it,
but you know, and we're doing our best to do
all that. But it's like anything, we have to drag
everybody with us, you know, the teams, the public, the fins.

Speaker 5 (57:55):
You know.

Speaker 24 (57:55):
This fin engagement has become a big part of the
business of the sporting world and so we're all trying
to pay new ways of driving. This what they called
fan engagement. So you know that's what we content did.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
On drivers seem to like Tapo, don't they As a track?

Speaker 11 (58:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (58:17):
Yeah, two boys great and they're a bit to experience
through a Poona, which you know is a fine track.
It's a good track in a good city. So I
think Crease Schill do very.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Well, fantastic, you have a good weekend. Nice having on
the program as always. Tony Quinn, who's the owner of Tampa.
He doesn't own hu Poona hits Is. Yeah, it's a
good track, be better if I owned it, but he
doesn't at the moment. Can I congratulate by the way
Hayden Jones, who I don't know overly, well, I don't
even know if I know him at all, which is
not the point. But he's the Good Sorts guy, right,
I was reading yesterday, so it's a Good Sort segment.

(58:49):
I've never seen the Good Sort segment. But it's at
the end of Saturday Night or Sunday night on the
news on TV one. Very popularized led to believe anyway,
it's coming to an end, and there's been a bit
of a who no, the program coming to an end?
And you said Yesay went on the Facebook page and
he said the problem is simply money. The financial model
free to wear television doesn't really work when everyone's on
their phones these days. Good Sorts doesn't have a sponsor.

(59:10):
It's not cheap to send me around the country meeting
lots of good people. So the numbers don't add up
before you pour on TV and said it's good to
remember they're a business like anybody else. They're meant to
produce a profit for the shareholder, and the advertising dollars
simply aren't there anymore. I congratulate them for being adult
and mature and honest about it, as opposed to all
the nashing, whining, crying, bitching and backstabbing that's previously gone

(59:33):
on the media anytime a program gets canceled. So good
on Hayden, and I wish them all the best.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
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Speaker 18 (01:00:09):
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Speaker 6 (01:00:12):
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Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
This explained mystery everywhere and you never know what to smack.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
You win the feast.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
No one gets who this is In fact, I don't
think I would have guessed who this is. This is
his first album since twenty twenty two is Flicted. The
Noisemakers are back, Bonnie right here. He's got a bunch
of others in there that I won't tell you about.
One of the tracks is back to the Range days
Bruce Hornsby and the Range. This is called Ecstatic, which

(01:00:46):
I am because anything that Bruce Hornsby does, that's how
I feel. Indigo Park is the name of the album.
He's a genius. He's very colectical these days in terms
of his music. Scenes from the south Side is probably Graceland.
Scenes from the south Side would be my two greatest
albums of all time. There's not a bad track on

(01:01:07):
Scenes from the south Side anyways. He's moved on and
does interesting things these days. These are all this original material.
There are ten of them, ten tracks at forty three
minutes and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Twenty see the Week in Review with two degrees Fighting
for Fair for Kiwi Business.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Tim Wilson's with us Morning Mate, Good morning from Nelson.
Good you're enjoying your school holidays.

Speaker 11 (01:01:29):
Ah, loving it, loving it.

Speaker 7 (01:01:30):
We're down here for Nanny's seventieth birthday party. So twenty
one grandkids she's got, so it's full on, it's lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Twenty one at seventy someone's starting young.

Speaker 11 (01:01:43):
Started young and kept going.

Speaker 7 (01:01:45):
Actually, her first name's Paula, and one of her sons
married a another woman called Paula. And so when Paula,
Paula number two was in the hospital having a baby,
the nurses came running in and they're like, Paula, shrivers are
still at it.

Speaker 11 (01:01:59):
Come in, come in and have a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
And it was the other baller seventy. So we're you're
a happy seventieth for us, Katie. How are you well doing?

Speaker 25 (01:02:07):
I'm excellent.

Speaker 26 (01:02:08):
I just want to congratulate you on being the soul
remaining optimist in the world.

Speaker 25 (01:02:14):
Us cracking up this week, the whole world imploding.

Speaker 26 (01:02:16):
We've got hysteria and skimongering over cyclones, we've got wars,
we've got ceasefires going tits up, We've got all that,
and you and the economy tanking, and you remained the
only voice left in the media going everything's cool, everything's fine,
just trying.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
It was it was probably it's all six seven. It
was probably a little more nuanced than that. But I
appreciate the I do appreciate the sentiment. You do, Cadie.
Do you know the Hayden Jones?

Speaker 25 (01:02:46):
Not personally?

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
What about you?

Speaker 6 (01:02:47):
Tim? Do you know? I?

Speaker 7 (01:02:50):
Yeah, I could. We're warm acquaintances. I think I heard
what you're saying at the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
How distant was that? We're warm acquaintances?

Speaker 7 (01:02:59):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
What do you here? Are there's a story?

Speaker 23 (01:03:04):
Is there?

Speaker 11 (01:03:05):
No, there's not a story.

Speaker 7 (01:03:06):
He's actually he's a really lovely guy, and I love
what you know. Well he said about it's a business decision.
This is not the end of the democracy. This is
not the end of the world. It's the end of
a it's the shelf life of a platform is over.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Exactly because I got a textize privilege to be a
good sort, I can confirm that Hayden Jones is an
amazing guy, so very humble, hard working and empathetic. He
does all the work himself, filming, interviewing, and voiceover. So
that that was Paul. So it's very true. It just
was a contrast into all the bitching and nashing and
self importance that goes on among the media of people
who think their programs and their things are so grippingly

(01:03:42):
you know that it will last true and they're not.
But here's my point, Katie, about the positivity. Some of
my positivity is based on fact I called this water
end in sixty weeks it happened. The piece talks will
be fine, that will come to pass as well. We
got our petrol broadly sorted out. Not that people thought
about that because we got completely waylaid once we got

(01:04:03):
to the ceasefire. But if you think we got the
petrol sorted out, so we were running out of petrol
until we didn't. So there's this alarmist thing going on
in this country and I can't figure out why. Could
be COVID. There's an alarmist thing going on in this
country where everybody goes zero to one hundred into instant
panic mode and the default position now is misery and
woe and I'm having none of it.

Speaker 26 (01:04:25):
I think we've become addicted to it post COVID. I
think we've become addicted as a country. And it's made
because we're small and my opplic at the bottom of
the world. We've become addicted to kind of fear that
this cyclone hysteria is exactly the same thing. I think
we enjoy it. We enjoy working from home, shutting the bridge,
canceling plans, hunkering down. We love this kind of collective.

(01:04:46):
Oh gosh, the world's imploding. We better all just do nothing.

Speaker 25 (01:04:50):
I think we've become addicted to it.

Speaker 11 (01:04:52):
Also also bad news cells. Oh I guess what. Everything's fine? Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:04:56):
Not interested in that. Oh my goodness, the world's ending.
Oh well, tell me more, tell me more. This is
just Yeah, there's in some sense the way we're wirre.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
There's a person in the Herald this morning from the
met Service weather or off as knew was somewhere like that.
Who goes people? And yet this applies to you, Tim,
because you're clearly on holiday. You should adjust your travel.
Think about adjusting your travel as a result of this
weekend's weather? Are you? And more importantly, the follow up
question is at what point did she get the social
license to start telling you what to do?

Speaker 7 (01:05:27):
Yeah, I'll make my own decisions. And you know what,
I think Nelson. Nelson might get a bit wet over
the weekend, but I think will be okay.

Speaker 11 (01:05:35):
And yeah, I looked it up. I think we'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
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way in a couple of moments, and I need to
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Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
The week in Review with two degrees fighting for fair
for Kiwi business, right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Tim, this is the BYD. Now you know what that is? Yep, okay,
this is the BYD.

Speaker 11 (01:06:13):
There's that the electric car company.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Correct, this is the fang Chingbao Ti seven, So the
BYD fang Chingboo Ti seven. They've announced overnight a co
lab with KFC, so it'll be spread to other byds.
But within the fang Cha Boo Ti seven is the
KFC button built into the infrastructure of the car. You push,

(01:06:40):
you push the KFC button to place your order. You
then drive to the local KFC in China and then
you plug in because there's a plug in point at
the KFC in China and recharge your car for twenty
minutes while you eat your pre ordered Kfczing.

Speaker 26 (01:06:59):
Company that wants to save the planet at the same time,
want to wreck your body?

Speaker 11 (01:07:04):
Don't ask me well, not doing it, not doing it,
not having caves?

Speaker 5 (01:07:07):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:07:07):
Actually, wait, how often do cars need to reach out?

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
It's a very good point. Once every two months, You're okay.
But if it's more than that, there are thirteen thousand
k of season China. That was the other stat that
I found somewhat interesting. Wow, anyway, Artemis, Katie, out of ten,
how much of take ten? Like you've been gripped and
I barely seen you all week for the fascination one.
You couldn't give the monkeys? What where? Where does Artemis

(01:07:35):
its photos? It's re entry and the various live crosses
to nasat. Where's it sit with you?

Speaker 25 (01:07:41):
For four or five?

Speaker 26 (01:07:43):
I mean interesting? But I have we not sort of
seen those photos before, some of them. Really the Earth
looks the same from space, the moon. I don't know,
I'm four or five. I mean it was a nice story,
you know, the guy who named it after us.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
They did sound like a four amazing four or five? Yeah, yeah,
to be fair, what was your number ten?

Speaker 11 (01:08:09):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:08:09):
Look, in terms of effect on my life this week,
I'd say a zero, But I did I did sort
of I love the comment by one of the astronauts,
that was Christina Cole, who was saying, when you look
back at Earth amongst the blackness, you know there's just
planet Earth sitting there. You realize what it is that
that whole You know that we are actually have something shared.

(01:08:31):
We're just we're so unique and we're so beautiful, and
I think we forget that when we're worried about the weather,
you know, worried about the straight, worried about what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Well, two things about that. I tend to have the
unique thing. We're not unique if you believe in the
whole universe is full of other stuff. So that's that's
open to interpretation, of course. But the other important thing
is Katie's point about the photos. What I don't I
get the other side of the moon. We've not been there,
never been that far out fantastic, get that bit. But
when they said, look at those photos, those photos have
been around for fifty years. There's thousands of those Photosyes,

(01:09:04):
and they not only that. The most famous photo, and
this is the thing I've forgotten about, the most famous
photo of all is the photo where in the bottom
left hand corners there's a little bit of the surface
of the moon, and then the rest of the frame
is made up of the Earth, so you've got the
Moon in the front and the Earth in the background.
That photo was taken in sixty nine by a Kodak,
and they were saying how difficult it would be to

(01:09:24):
replicate it fifty years later, which only indicated to me
that in fifty years we've done next to nothing. If
it's still a problem, I mean, we should be going
back and forward to the Moon on a weekly basis.
It should be no big deal. And the fact that
we can only do something just that we did fifty
years ago speaks to our lack of progress.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
I would have thought.

Speaker 25 (01:09:46):
There were some feel good moments out of it.

Speaker 26 (01:09:48):
Can I just say, though, if you want some feel
good viewing while you're when you're finished tying up your
trampoline and you're hunkering down over the weekend, if you've
got ads on Prime, which people.

Speaker 25 (01:09:56):
Should have because Clarkson's farm is on it, what else
is on it? There's some good up on it.

Speaker 26 (01:10:00):
But anyway, Jury Duty Presents Company Return, Oh yes, what
a feel good piece of television.

Speaker 25 (01:10:06):
If you want to watch that, good family viewing wholesome.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Good plenty. How do you remember do you remember mart
March out of ten k he compared to the one
hundred Artemis two hundred.

Speaker 25 (01:10:17):
Well, I watched the two hundred and I cried, so yeah,
the tooth great.

Speaker 11 (01:10:23):
What does Mike cry when he watches it?

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
I wasn't moving, I wasn't lived.

Speaker 25 (01:10:28):
It was folded washing you. It's just feel good television.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Just to explain it more. People may remember Jury Duty,
which was the big prank program of several years ago
where the person was the only person the person being
pranked was the only person who knew didn't know they
were being pranked. Everything else around Jury Duty was was
was actors and they went through a whole trial. This
is the follow up several years later about a company

(01:10:53):
retreat Rock and Grandma's Hot Sauce Company and this guy
who they selected who didn't know any thing that was
going on during the camp retreat, and they put that
these actors are brilliant the way the actors do it
because they've got to hold it together. They know this
is a stitch up.

Speaker 11 (01:11:10):
It's all improv.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
It's all improv, and they seem set it. They go,
here's what should happen, but it's improv and the reveal
at the end is just the guy is a hero,
the guy who sort of just applied to be a
temp at Rock and Grandma's Hot source company, and who's
got no idea. Well, no, AS mean he's a hero.
I mean that's not giving it away. I mean the

(01:11:32):
war's over. He's a hero and the world's not going
to end this weekend with the weather, So I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:11:37):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:11:39):
And it's all improv and that reminds me of something
we've just done precisely you you nobody cried.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
No, I don't think anybody cried.

Speaker 7 (01:11:48):
Well maybe the boss I tried on the inside when
you're doing the Artemis review, Kate, and you could do that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Nice to see you have a good weekend. Tim Wilson,
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Yet the photos, I'm not sure people are making themselves
clear here. The photos are incredible, There's no question the
photo is incredible, the photo from a spaceship looking back
at the blackness of the universe with the Earth in
the middle of it. They are incredible. But they started
getting taken fifty years ago, and we've been watching them
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seen it all before. This is just a repeat exercise.
The other side thing, yes, the heat thing, i'd be
nervous about that. Surely you'd be nervous about that. Three
inches on the heat shield and you're coming back in
and in the warm up a couple of bits broke off.
Would you be holding hands or would you be over
each other? By that point, I.

Speaker 18 (01:13:50):
Think they've had to basically hold hands the whole time.
It's free cramped in there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
It is very cramped. Is it too cramped? Yes, I
think it's I think.

Speaker 18 (01:13:57):
I stop thinking about what it must smell like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Now they've got those wipes, so I don't think it
does smell, because.

Speaker 18 (01:14:01):
It certainly smells of those wipes doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Especially special wipes.

Speaker 18 (01:14:06):
But after I was looking at one when they were
wiping themselves the other day while one of the other
one was eating at the same time. I don't want
to be eating next to somebody wiping.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
It had that vibe about it, didn't it. You'd need that.
They seem to get on together. They seem to be
genuinely moved by the experience and all of that stuff.
You can't go and sit in the corner. That's the truth.
Hayden Jones helped my husband across the road when he
was struggling with two large suitcases and two toddlers. Never
forgotten that kind gesture. He's a good sort. You can't
you can't meet it. Story line that even if it's

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Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
A parent, I can see how inspiring the artemists mission
has been for kids might have been glued to the
live stream. Totally inspiring for kids who don't have a
lot of good news is to follow. What an excellent point.
Well done for making that, because of course all us
old farts who have seen this before and have grown
up with the space program and understood where it was at,
where it wasn't the politics of it. We're going to Mars,
No we're not. We're going to the moon, No we're not.

(01:15:13):
We've got the money, no we haven't, etcetera. For young people,
I suppose it will be fascinating to see what is
possible in a troubled world. Twenty three minutes away from nine.

Speaker 14 (01:15:23):
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New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Murray olds as well.

Speaker 11 (01:15:29):
It's morning, make very good morning, Michael.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
We had these numbers on the show earlier on Out
of Your Place. The welfare, the size of the welfare,
not only the size of it, but the increasing size
of it and the reallocation on a seemingly ongoing basis,
that it's going to balloon forever. It's hundreds of billions
of dollars. In fact, it is as literally as big
as the New Zealand economy. How did you get yourself

(01:15:54):
in such a mess.

Speaker 6 (01:15:57):
It's pretty extraordinary, isn't it. Yeah, the figure that was
published over here, three hundred and twenty nine billion dollars
it'll be to spend by twenty twenty nine son three years.
Let's just bugger, let's just call it three hundred and
thirty billion dollars. And that this is and many experts
are saying that's a low estimate. Mike age, pension, the

(01:16:17):
Disability Support pension, the doll the unemployment benefits, family and
student payments, veterans, and of course the ndis the National
Disability Insurance Scheme. Now this is the single biggest cost.
It's just under a billion dollars a week right now,
sixty to seventy billion dollars by the end of the decade.
What it does is cover Its designed to cover people

(01:16:37):
who are catastrophically the engine and need help for the
rest of their lives to live a life. And there's
no one over here, well very few people over here
would say, oh, it's a dreadful waste of money. But
what everyone is angry about is the bloody rought it
it's rotting on an industrial scale, and what the budget's
going to do Jim Chalmers. The Treasure is going to

(01:16:58):
try and do in May is to rain these costs in.
But a Senate hearings, endless Senate hearings have been told
that fraud, there's noncompliance, there's hopeless oversight. You know, I
can go in and get up and put in a
bid to give you a shower a week and charge
you two hundred and twenty dollars for the privilege of

(01:17:18):
showering you in your home. Well, that's ridiculous. I mean,
who thinks that's okay. No one thinks it's okay. But
it's growing at ten percent, you know, exponential growth here,
and it can't be sustained.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Here's the problem. Albaneze is a communist from the left
hand side of the Labor Party, and I've watched him
over these last five weeks with this war hand out
money he doesn't have. So how does a guy who
has that attitude to an economy then suddenly go nap
it's over and title things up.

Speaker 6 (01:17:50):
Good question, but it has to be done. I mean,
government expenditure is out of control over here. That's one
of the reasons why the Reserve Bank is jacking up
interest rates and the government can Waverard's arms in the
air or it likes. But that bottom line, spending, the
government spending is certainly powering inflation. There's no doubt.

Speaker 11 (01:18:08):
About that exactly, so they had to do something about this.

Speaker 6 (01:18:11):
In fact, one brave labor woman has put ahead above
the paraples guess what we have to start means testing
this stuff. And I think a lot of people will
probably agree with them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Michael quick poll for you if I asked you Arapa
Australian for or again Ben Robert Smith generally being charged
with murder and ending up and court and the whole
saga from you know, and this has gone on for
multiple years. What's the split? Who's on whose side?

Speaker 6 (01:18:35):
You've got some pretty powerful supporters, billionaires over here, Gina Reinhart,
the one, the guy who runs Channel seven that stokes
for another. Most veterans would probably back him. The very
interesting piece though, this morning in The Australian by one
of the commentators, Greg Craven. He's an academic, a very
learned fellow. He says, it's the rule of law and

(01:18:57):
it must be followed. Don't forget me, as you said,
it's been going on for years. The war crimes investigator
found back in twenty twenty that there was credible evidence
on the basis based on probabilities that yes, a war
crime had been committed. The Federal Police have begun investigating
Ben Robertsmith's actions in Afghanistan between twenty nine and twenty twelve.

(01:19:20):
And we land here in Sydney this week where he's
arrested on the tarmac in Sydney Airport by the Federal Police.
He's now locked up and he will be back at
court today week where you may imagine that bail will
be applied for. But it's impossible a sort of question
to ask me really, because you know he is a

(01:19:43):
war hero, right, I mean, he was a ward of
the Victoria Cross. It doesn't get any better than that
in terms of valor in combat.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Here's my problem with it from a distance, and I
suspect many Australian's view it the same sort of way.
None of us were there. So first of all, none
of us were there. Two, it was a wall zone.
Three in court, where do you round up your witnesses
to a level that you will get across the legal
hurdle to potentially find him building of five murders?

Speaker 6 (01:20:14):
Yeah, in a criminal context, that's going to be very
very difficult. There's no body, there's no witnesses from Afghanistan
and the lower level it was established on the basis
of probabilities. One of the key witnesses in this was
allegedly one of the younger fellas who Robert Smith is
alleged to have said, go on, you have to assume
he was going to blood him, quote unquote, and he

(01:20:35):
refused to give evidence in that lower hearing on the
basis might incriminate himself. So there's a much higher standard,
as you've rightly pointed out, in a criminal matter. It's
a mess. There's no way, there's no way to go night.
It's a mess. But you know it's a tough one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
While I'm on pop Quizzers, Murray Howard Elbows in Singapore
this morning with old Lawrence having a word about the field,
how would you everg Australian right, Hilbanezi. Out of ten
ten he's been spot on. One isn't dud in terms
of seeing Australia through this war period with oil promises
of distribution of prices of et cetera. How's he handled

(01:21:13):
it well?

Speaker 6 (01:21:15):
Probably seven out of ten In terms of that, I
ask other risings about other matters immigration, for example, I'd
say it's one out of ten. But you know this
was sprung on the world and Australia wonefully unprepared. I
can't believe we had thirty days of ab gas of
diesel and petrol in the country. We're now on our

(01:21:36):
hands and these begging around the world for an ever
diminishing supply of oil. I mean experts over here saying
if austraight upon Moves is open tomorrow across the weekend,
we still won't get any crude oil out of there
to be refined in Asia for Australia for weeks put
three months. So seven out of ten in terms of this.

(01:21:56):
It keeps delivering. You know, I think that will be
acknowledged by people. I mean the opposers has got nothing.
I mean there's poor old Angus. He closed oil refineries
here and then he's got the check to say where's
the petal coming?

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Brom I will come on exactly, you have a good one.
Make we'll catch up next week. Preciate it at Murray
Eld's out of Australia. I was just looking yesterday as
we were getting wound up really for the big one
this weekend. Weatherwise, there is another one, of course, cyclone
in the Pacific. It's called Myler, and I thought this
is a heading for Queensland. I thought to myself, let's
get some media coverage of how the Australians are handling Miler,

(01:22:32):
which I understand to be more intense than what's the
thing called Bayarnu coming our way. Here's what Sky News
were running yesterday. A tropical cyclone off Australia's northeast coast
is set to shape the nation's weather outlook. Forecast models
show increasing confidence that the cyclone will move southwest towards
north Queensland. Current projections place a potential crossing somewhere between

(01:22:54):
Cooktown and Ken's, but at this point it's unknown. Heavy
rainfall and danger conditions are expected wherever the system makes landfall.
That is the end of the story. No one telling
me what to do, what to tie down, whether I
should adjust my holiday, whether or not I should take
it seriously, whether or not it's life threatening, No editorial

(01:23:15):
comment at all, just a statement of where the weather is.
APT eight forty five.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
At be the start of the show, I referenced a
very good piece of talking about the poll this week
and the New Zealand First and the movement of the
New Zealand First or the increase in New Zealand First
support seems to come from National et cetera, et cetera. Anyway,
I reference to a very good piece of radioesterday and
the Sydney Morning Herald. If you want to look it up,
it's called cluelessness is bringing an error to an end.
We won't call them the major parties much longer. So
what we're seeing here, a little bit through the MMP system,

(01:23:48):
has also been seen in Australia. It's a good piece,
well worth reading. The other thing in Australia briefly, Leerman
Bruce Lehman. If you follow that case, Britney Higgins goes
back years. I mean, if anyone's tied up the courts,
he has anyway, he finds got to the final, Final,
final day yesterday and they dismissed it as they were
always going to and that legally is the end of that. Yes,

(01:24:09):
So I didn't get around to telling the kids' story.
So the last Eastery was just such a joyous appearance.
So the least excited is just living your life through
kids vicariously. Last weekend, the least exciting weekend was held
by one of our children who was going to a
music festival, but the head gasket went so as car
wouldn't go therefore he couldn't go anywhere, So that's the
least exciting weekend of the five children. Number two went

(01:24:34):
to Cambridge. Boyfriend was in the rowing, hadn't been to Cambridge,
loved to Cambridge, stayed with some old family friends, had
a fabulous time, great weekend away living the dream. Not
overly exotic, but a nice easter. Next one was the
child who was in some I was celebrating their first
holiday since graduating, away with the partner in the tropics,

(01:24:55):
sending me photos of cocktails, palm trees and a lot
of to local harvest. So I thought, good on a
fantastic away for reesa international holiday watch student debt. Then
we get to a moderately interesting juxtaposition between which is
the most exotic. So one of the kids gets a
friend who's come from the other side of the world.

(01:25:16):
Childhood friends come from the other side of the world,
stay with them for a couple of days and one
of their dreams was always and this kid used to
live at our house and he would never go home
and we used to say things like don't you have
a home, and you go no, I'm my home to
here anyway, so he lived with them and one of
their great dreams was to go see Real Madrid play football.
So they're in Scotland and obviously Rail's not in Scotland

(01:25:37):
a lot, so they jumped on a plane and they
went to as it turns out, Barcelona. That was the
cheapest the airfare, so they landed in Barcelona and caught
the train to Madrid and they both went and saw
Rail and Madrid play football. I thought that is living
your dream. Later on that night, they're a bit pissed
and they started whatsapping saying is Trump going to blow
up the world? And we were going, nah, no, he's fine,
Shure I come home, No, it'll be fine. So that

(01:25:59):
nice juxtaposition in between living your dream and panicking because
you're on the wrong algorithm, so not quite as so
then I what's app my last child? And I go,
I assume you're home for Easter because last weekend you're
away in Denmark at a friend's birthday, and the weekend
before that you're on the French helps with your boyfriend skiing.
I said, you assume you're home this weekend. She comes back,

(01:26:21):
she has no currently on a bus heading towards the
Russian border in Finland chasing the Northern lights. Will be
up all night with my guide. And I thought, that
is living nine away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
On my costing breakfast with Ranger of a sport sv
News Tomsdad B.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Mike, you've raised capable and trepid children full marks. I
don't mean that's true, and I've had minimal impact, to
be perfectly frank. The longer I live, the more I
seem to think they come out as they are. They
are what they are generally speaking. If you ever want
a great science test on that, have some twins and
twins you will very quickly loarn come out a certain

(01:27:00):
way in terms of personality, and fundamentally they don't change.
So you can probably teach them to say please and
thank you and open doors for old ladies, or if
behave in jones, you know, help them across the road.
But apart from that, they are who they are for
good or bad and everything in between. Five minutes away
from Lyme trending now with.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
M as Well book in your flu vaccination today.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Right, Artemis got the reintrigue. This is this is a
current astronaut and a SpaceX commander call Matthew with the
re entry details.

Speaker 23 (01:27:30):
You're coming through space at that that extreme velocity, You're
you're controlling your speed and your your position is you
come back to Earth. You have to slow down in
just the right spot. You have to open the drug shoots,
then you have to open up your main parachutes. Then
you have to be at the right tiltangle to splash
down of the model in the water. So you're you're
going from being a spacecraft to an aircraft to a boat.
And that incredible piece of heart rover is to designed

(01:27:53):
by human.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
The guy's going is Will Kine on Fox. This is
his reaction to.

Speaker 11 (01:27:59):
Can you imagine like it just two years?

Speaker 23 (01:28:00):
We're gonna have to be putting people there to stay
and you get to go walk amongst the craters and
go check it out and gaze back at Earth every
day as we move from Andy forward. Okay, I just
can't wait for the moment where we're permanently on the
surface of the Moon.

Speaker 18 (01:28:11):
Yeah, I mean that will be in a comfort.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Yeah. So he's obviously not the group, but it's obviously
what he's trying to say is, and he wasn't bold
enough to say it to his guest, is it won't happen.
It is not happening. I've set it for twenty years.

Speaker 18 (01:28:25):
But Matthew Dominictic just there said it was just a
few years.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
It's not true. It is not true. We will not
be just popping up to the Moon any sooner than
the Jetsons were going. Jetson's told me we were gonna
have meals by pills. I suppose the glps is sort
of the same thing, isn't it. They got there in
the end. Maybe that's it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:43):
What do I got?

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
What have I got for you this weekend? I got
the Wipe, I got the Storm. Here's the problem with
the tomorrow night. You got the Warriors playing the Storm late. Unfortunately,
you got the Crusaders playing the Reds at the same time,
so what to do? And then of course you got
the super House over the weekend, so there's plenty of
plenty to do. So whatever you're up to and whoever

(01:29:04):
you are up to with it, or whoever you are
up with it to, or whoever you are with getting
up to it.

Speaker 18 (01:29:12):
Is this one of those programs that went about thirty
seven seconds too long.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
It was my reinterest it ps mates.

Speaker 18 (01:29:22):
You you got the spaceship and and the aircraft part right,
but you're burning up.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Just the boat part didn't quite happen anyway, As we say,
Happy days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
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