Full Show Podcast: 12 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're trusted home for news, sport, entertainment, opinion and Mike
the my Casking Breakfast with the Defender, Embrace the impossible news,
Tom Dawning.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
You welcome today the police report and the ensuing scandal.
Richard Chambers with us along with the Police Minister, the
gun reforms that kind of well weren't and more good
news for terrorism and politics. Wednesday after rate Richard Arnold
State sidees dep price out of Australia for us as well. Pasky,
welcome to the day seven past six. Slightly old message
I thought yesterday from Labor over the Maori Party as
they try and work out how to deal with them.

(00:32):
The truth is they will need them to form a
government if they get their numbers to a point of victory.
Now there's no way the Greens and Labor alone will
come close to crossing the line first. So small reiteration
in case you missed it a month or so back.
None of this matters because the current government will be
re elected on what I am calling November seven, twenty
twenty six election day. But for argument's sake, the Hitkins

(00:54):
comments that they're going to campaign vigorously in Maory seats
with no concern. If that happens with no consumed that
you know, it might mean they wipe the Maory Party out.
It rings awfully hollow given I watched them campaign vigorously
the other day in the Auckland Maray seat and two
things happened. One no one turned up and two those
that did vote for the Murray Party. It was the
most shockingly inept display of modern campaigning, or lack of it,

(01:15):
have seen in many a long year. My guess is
what's happening to the Maray Party will not affect the
vote for the Murray Party. White to Ta and Co.
Are clearly liked in their seats and there is no
reason to believe they won't get back. Further. Most of
the Labour candidates will be on the list anyway, so
why not get two for one? Which brings us back
to yesterday's so called announcement. It's a sham talk tough,
get a headline, hope it flies. The big, big issue

(01:37):
for Labor, apart from the fact that they're still poisoned
by their last stabbed power, is the fact their so
called partners and nuts and most of us know it.
Vote for Labor all you want, if you can stomach
the incompetence, but having done that, stand by for the
circus that comes with the green to the Marray Party.
It's calamitous with a capital calamitus. At some point Hipkins
will have to face the fact we need some detail.
Who's out, what are the bottom lines. That's where the

(01:59):
real rubber hits the road for the voter. Yesterday's heart
Hear exercise is seen for what it.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Is news of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
A lot of places around the world are marking Armistice Day.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
When we remember, we connect with service in a personal way,
and when we wear a red poppy or take a
moment of silence, we are saying thank you, we have
not forgotten and we will not forget.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Britain is actually quite busy this morning. The new national
sport of letting prisoners out in correctly is taking off.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
We understand that there are three mistakenly released prisoners currently
lawfully at large. Their prison records show none of these
are convicted sex offenders.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Being the bloke who quit the BBC has been giving
interviews to the BBC about how cal the BBC really is.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
I'm fiercely proud of this organization. There are difficult you know,
there are difficult times. It goes through, but it just
does good work.

Speaker 6 (02:57):
We are the very.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
Best of what I think we should be as a society.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
How much cool aid is there?

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Right?

Speaker 2 (03:03):
The government has also decided to limit intel to the
US because of their predilection for blowing up drug boats.

Speaker 7 (03:08):
The UK is deeply uncomfortable with the US military's strikes
on these boats, thinks that they are actually blatantly illegal
and that they violate international law, and does not want
to share intelligence with the US to target boats and
kill everyone on board.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
And they have also launched a plan to stop testing on.

Speaker 8 (03:25):
Animals, the idea that we can eliminate animal use in
the foreseeable future.

Speaker 9 (03:30):
I don't think he's there. Can we get very close
to it? I think we can. Can we push faster
than we have been? I think we can? Should? We
We absolutely should.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
The instate side, the shutdown is almost sorted, but not
enough to fix the old Thanksgiving any travel.

Speaker 10 (03:43):
Air traffic controllers get paid every other week, they miss
this Monday, So even in the best case scenario, it'll
be the Monday before Thanksgiving that they're hopefully not calling out.
So it's really Dicey. I expect we'll have some turbulence.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Finally jailed time for him and Kwan. You know who
is the bitcoin queen. She nicked over eleven villion in
bitcoin out of a ponzi scheme. She was actually found
by police seven years ago, but she faked being bedridden
and having a brain injury and the police thought at
that point they had the wrong person. So she was
on the run for six or seven years. Was caught
trying to buy multiple mansions in the UK, but at

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a giveaway, so she's off now for eleven years. There
is news of the world in ninety as you're speaking
of Britain. That's the other thing that's going on there
this morning. The old pond mark and the pound has
been a problem, volatile as the official word, because unemployment
came in it rose more than expected, hit five percent
for three months to September. Number of payroll workers fell,
so they've got major problems of head ahead of the

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budget of course. Eleven past six.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
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Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, we're going to get a bit of this this morning.
Mic wasn't Chamber as part of the leadership team at
the Police. We've got all the answers for you, fear
not will inform you as the morning unfolds. A Senate
shut down all almost sorted, not quite, Richard Arnold shortly,
but we may in the next day or so have
a deal between the US and Switzerland. Remember they got
whacked with the thirty nine percent for reasons no one

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can still work out. It might be the pharmaceutical business,
because apart from that it's watches, jewelry and machinery. But anyway,
the word is from the States this morning. They're looking
to cut a way better deal a fifteen past I'm sure.
In partner Isandra Killah, good morning, very good morning, Mike.
We've got any good news on the card spending.

Speaker 8 (05:28):
This is one of my favorite data series, and I
do love a good data series, Mike.

Speaker 9 (05:33):
This is the monthly review.

Speaker 8 (05:34):
Of cards spending by A and Z on their card ecosystem,
and it's a veritable treasure trove of information. It reveals
our spending habits at are very granular level. And I
did actually, as an aside, I did run into Sharon's
old recently admitted to her that I'm a fan this
information now at a very high level, or an aggregated level,
nothing really to get too excited about. This is looking

(05:55):
at it from a sort of a macro big picture
point of view. Because overall spending is up zero point
one percent in October, which is not much a note
that actually Awan said report this on a seasonally adjusted
three month average basis, so that sort of smooths out
the volatility. But the annual spending in this data series
is three point two percent for the year, so barely keeping.

Speaker 9 (06:15):
Up with inflation.

Speaker 8 (06:16):
But it's when you look into the detail that you
get something a little more promising. And the key to
that is in what they call the durables category. Now,
this category is commonly recognized as being cyclical, so it
improves when the economy approves and deteriorates the economy deteriorates,
it's showing quite a solid annual gain, up six point
three percent. And some of the categories inside durables we've

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noted before, so this is this is not household durables,
so it's not your Fricht and stuff. That category is
only up two point four percent. But inside this category
you got things like pet stores. You know, we mentioned
this last time you're blooming. People just cannot stop spending
on the spet on their pets up eighteen point seven percent. There,
and the interesting one second hand stores up ten point
three percent. Pharmacies that's up a bit as well, the

(07:00):
secondhand stores. One that's interesting is it just has it
got cool to be vintage again? Or is this just people.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Can't afford all love thrilling?

Speaker 9 (07:08):
Yeah, god uncle, yeah.

Speaker 8 (07:09):
Anyway, but this category, it's the I'm calling it the
biggest flicker in these smoldering pile of embers, that is spending.
Only two categories are showing annual negative growth. That's motor
vehicles and fuel, and that of course is driven by cheaper,
cheaper oil. But apparel, apparel really is the LaGG and
it's a very tough time like to be in that gig.

(07:30):
Closed stores down, closing shoes stores down two point eight
percent and even more, and that's an annual annual number.
But the kids closing stores down four point two percent.
So when apparel starts to move up, Mike, we know
we've turned the corner. An ZI do calculate a proxy
for what they call real card spending, so that's inflation adjusted.

Speaker 9 (07:49):
That's been flat for almost eighteen months.

Speaker 8 (07:51):
But look, look, I keep saying, don't pop the champagne
course just yet, keep the champagne and nice, But I reckon,
maybe just move the eski a little bit closer, just
a little bit closer. It's we're almost there. And bakeries, well,
what is it with bakeries. I mean, people are loving
the pies out there, and boots spending continues to fall.

Speaker 9 (08:09):
That looks very much to me like that's a societal change.
What do you reckon?

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, that's probably I think that's probably true. Now the trichrometery,
you've got something good there as.

Speaker 9 (08:15):
Well, sort of sort of.

Speaker 8 (08:18):
So more from the A and Z this morning. So
the light traffic index there was up zero point two
percent in October, but year on year it's up three
point two percent, and that is improving quite rapidly. So
this is an indicator of the state of demands six
month lead on momentum in the economy.

Speaker 9 (08:32):
The theory being sort.

Speaker 8 (08:33):
Of captures the movement of trade ees and small courier vehicles,
family outings, that sort of thing.

Speaker 9 (08:38):
So that trend has been lifting recently.

Speaker 8 (08:41):
That's encouraging and not so much on the heavy traffic Index,
which is more volatile. It's only up zero point six
percent year on yet it's looking more at things like trucks, buses,
more of a steer on production GBP, more immediate, more
here and now, so captures, retail, wholesale, trade, production, freight.
That sort of thing has been flat recently. But we
know that the here and now is quite subdued. So

(09:02):
a little bit of good news there.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Right, Oh, Australia one to oh three point eight are
BARB one hundreds positive? They're positive?

Speaker 8 (09:08):
Yeah, a couple of snippets here from Australia. Big jump
in consumer confidence. So this is the West Back Molbourne
Institute Index of Consumer Sentiment. It's turned positive mote for
the first time in four years, so up twelve per
one hundred and three point eight over one hundred. Means
that optimistic consumers outweigh pessimistic consumers. I suspect this will
be a factor weighing against another RBA cut in December.

(09:31):
I was actually just looking at the futures markets and
at the moment, the Australian market very much split on
whether or not they get a further rate cut at
all at the moment.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Okay, numbers please.

Speaker 8 (09:42):
Yeah, So the Dow Jones is up, It's up three
hundred and fifty one points forty seven, seven hundred and twenty,
but the S and P five hundred and the Nastik
are both lower. The S and P five hundred down
point one seven per cents are not much really there
six eight to two oh and the Nasdak down about
half a percent. Twenty three thousand, four hundred and eight.
The Forts one hundred are up one hundred and twelve points.

(10:04):
Good day there, ninety nine, the Nike fifty thousand, eight
hundred and forty two down point one four percent. Shanghai
Compercert down zero point three nine percent, just over four thousand,
the A six two hundred yesterday eight eight one eight up,
down point one nine percent.

Speaker 9 (10:19):
Kiwi dollar point five sixty five six against.

Speaker 8 (10:22):
The US point eight six six six against the Aussie
point four eight seven seven against the Euro point four
two nine four pounds eighty seven point eight. Japanese end
gold is trading at four thousand, one hundred and forteen
US dollars in brink crude sixty five dollars and eleven cents.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
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that sort of stuff. But all it seems to be
a thing these days. And if you watch ESPN and
the sports, but everyone's wearing an aural ring and it's

(10:59):
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The company they're finish and it monitors your blood, your heart,
you do all the usual stuff. Anyway, they've nearly doubled
their sales, so two billion dollars of sales next year.
They're on track to secure a billion in sales this year,
which is double their sales of last year. So double
double and double can't argue with that. Six twenty one, as.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
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Speaker 2 (11:32):
It's going to be really interesting to see how the
day unfolds. As regards to the police, my summation early
on is this has contained to a small handful of
people four or five at the top of the police
executive and I'll work you through some of the questions
and some of the answers. Mike, wasn't Chambers part of
the leadership team at the police under cost and know
Chambers was overseas and as well known he was overseas
he was working for Interpol. Mike, I wonder how much

(11:53):
the previous administration I assume by that you mean the
government that appointed Cuddles knew about the cover. The answer
is none, nothing. So Costa was legitimately appointed one to
police commissioner. You can argue about the appointment, and we have,
and it was an adomed captain, a doun's captain call.
And whether he was competent or not, but that's completely
separate subject. So was he a clean appointment?

Speaker 11 (12:14):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Was he a clean appointment to his current job? That's
another interesting question. Answer yes, but we'll get Chambers and
Mitchell to confirm that later on in the program this morning, Mike,
another embarrassing day to a policeman. Thanks to our so
called leadership, I've given more than twenty five years to
the organization at frontline level and for what so we
can all be labeled as trash. Thanks to the efforts
of a powerful few at the top. I'm disappointed to

(12:36):
hear that, because if I was a police person, that's
not how I would feel. A lot of us work
for big companies. Some of the people who run big
companies may not run the companies the way we like,
but it's not on us. It's not personal, and so
I wouldn't feel that way. Morning. My interesting question, who
was it again that appointed Coster? Once again, I reiterate,
the labor government appointed Costa, but he was clean at

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the time. It was a clean appointment.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Six twenty five trending now warehouse the real house of fragrances.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Now Geneva Auction time for rare diamonds. If you're into
the market, this is Christie's the Muster Attend luxury jewelry auction.
Couple of pieces that had some buzz. First was Napoleon's
diamond brooch recovered from the battlefield of Waterloo as opposed
to say, you know, next from the loof thirteen carrot
oval diamond in the middle, expected to sell for about
four hundred and fifty k. We had a ten carrot

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pink known as the Glowing Rose that's valued around forty million.
Experts they think it'll probably rival the Pink Star that
was sold back in twenty seventeen for one hundred and
twenty five million, So that's at the serious end of
the diamond market. But the piece that's drawn the most
attention while not being the most expensive was the melon diamond.

Speaker 12 (13:45):
So this is a nine point five to one carrot
fancy vivid blue and it's actually so that's the color,
one of the rarest, that's the fourth rarest color for diamonds,
and you know, incredibly sought after, and then in terms
of its purity, it's internally flawless as well, so you
really can't get much better. What's really interesting about this

(14:05):
diamond is actually was it was sold at auction, so
it's quite unusual. Eleven years later, in twenty fourteen, it's
come back into the market. He bought it then for
thirty two million dollars. The estimate now is twenty to
thirty million dollars.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, but that's what they always do at the auction
house has done they if you don't know about this,
what they do is they lower the old estimate so
you think, oh, actually, I could probably buy that, and
that's a bit of me sold for forty seven see
suck doing good. It's the oldest trick in the book.
So yes, the police commissioner with us after seven o'clock
this morning. Overshadowed or overshadowing. That was, of course Nicole
mckey's big day out, which turned out to be not

(14:40):
much of a day out at all, because what was
going to happen allegedly theoretically was we're all going to
have machine guns, but now we're not. So we'll look
at the gun review as well. Still to come on
the Mike Hosking Breakfast your reviews, talk sat being.

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Speaker 2 (15:12):
I did some research yesterday. Who flipped yesterday from the Democrats?
One was an independent, but he caucuses generally with the Democrats.
This is read the shutdown. The reason they flipped is fascinating.
Richard Arnold on the shutdown for you shortly meantime back
here at twenty three minutes away from seven. More trouble
around costs and fees and as a result inflation, port
of Auckland are upping their fees. As I'm sure you're
well aware, freight companies currently charged one hundred and thirty

(15:33):
a container. This is at peak times. This is going
to rise to three hundred and fifty by twenty twenty seven. Now,
Don Kalisi is the Transporting New Zealand CEO and as
well as morning to you, Morning Mike. So this isn't new,
is it. I mean, we're aware of this, we know
it's coming. Is this about adjusting times or you know,
have the trucks arrive at times that are more convenient
to the port.

Speaker 13 (15:53):
Look, I think that was the intent of off container
booking feeds, right, But are concern would be in the
first instance, that we're not really seeing the product of
the gains from these increases, right And frankly, we'd argue
it comes a point in time where you have to think, hey,

(16:14):
is this just a case of robbing Peter.

Speaker 14 (16:15):
To pay Paul?

Speaker 2 (16:17):
So this is a you think this is a gouge
from the port?

Speaker 14 (16:21):
Pretty much?

Speaker 11 (16:22):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Okay, So what more importantly, what can you do about it?
Because the ports downtown they've got traffic problems, they're a
monopoly to an extent. Yeah, I either deal with them
or you don't.

Speaker 13 (16:35):
That's the problem. I mean, but it becomes an issue
of is this purely about a port trying to make
money or and at what stage does that start to
hurt New Zealand inc. Now because these prices have to
be passed on and ultimately that shows up as an
increased cost of living.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
And this is the conundrum because of course we've had
the the poored on before and they go, oh but
look look what I can return to the council, and
the council owners and the council want returns. That's how
it works in it don Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 13 (17:08):
And so there's that sort of As I said at
the start, we're okay if we're seeing a change in.

Speaker 14 (17:15):
Productivity at the port.

Speaker 13 (17:17):
I think people understand that that's good investment. But that's
not hppening.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Can you change freight even if you wanted to, when
they say turn up at you know, two fifteen in
the afternoon instead of five o'clock at night, can you
do that?

Speaker 11 (17:30):
Well?

Speaker 13 (17:31):
Look not not really, and that's been shinned worldwide.

Speaker 11 (17:34):
I mean, look, port.

Speaker 13 (17:35):
Congestion is in issue globally right and also I mean
you look at that those peak times, I mean five
am to six pm that's pretty big peak period.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
It is, yeah, it is. But the council want their
money and the port want to make a profit, and
someone's got to pay for it. So what's your solution
other than appealing to their good nature which at a
bottom line basis, they don't have one. So what's the other?

Speaker 15 (18:06):
I think?

Speaker 13 (18:06):
And as supplies to supply chains even broader than just containers, right,
our view is that a model that looks at an
integrated supply chain and ultimately what's good for New Zealand Inc.
Is a much better model than a supply chain where

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each of the actors across that supply chain is just
working for themselves.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
So you want a minister involved, you're talking about central government.

Speaker 16 (18:37):
I think I think it can be done without central
government involvement. You know, there are other supply chains that work,
that do work sort of better. But yeah, I suppose
that's the last resort.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Well, we'll follow it with interesting. I appreciate your time
and I wish you the best of lack with with
Don Kalisi, who's the Transporting New Zealand CEO, Mark and
Jenny after eight o'clock morning, Mike, I don't want to
hear Mark Mitchell dribble about how good men and women
are in the New Zealand Police. Fish stinks from the head.
That organization is rotten at the top. Where did Bashim
go unexpectedly? And Mark has known that all along. Now

(19:12):
that's part of the problem that Mark now faces this morning.
You're wrong, by the way, but that's a view and
you're entitled to it. And if that view is held
by too many New Zealanders, they've got a major reputational issue.
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Mike I smell an employment pay art coming for Costa. Now,
that's an interesting question the legals around it. So he
was legitimately in their eyes appointed to his current job.

(20:42):
Does retrospectivity enter into it, and does retrospectivity of a
non criminal nature which I suspected is enter into it
as well? So follow that particular run strand of the
argument withinter six forty.

Speaker 17 (20:57):
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mind for New Zealand business with how are you yeah
doing well?

Speaker 11 (21:05):
Mind?

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Now a we're going to get across the hurdle. Here
is something going to open up or not?

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Uh?

Speaker 18 (21:09):
Well, yeah, maybe this misery appears to be on the
way to some conclusion, but it isn't coming easily and
it leaves a lot of people unhappy, some furious, even
as the Democrats who flipsay that they have at least
set the table for the debate on the midterm elections
coming up next year. So the Senate last night approved

(21:30):
the legislation to end the shutdown. It now moves on
to the House, which hasn't done any official business since
in September, which seems astonishing anyway, speak of. Johnson sent
his House members home at the time. In what was
seen as a bid to quiet and cause for release
of the Jeffrey Epstein file. Seven Democrats and one independent
joined all but one Republican senator to pass that government

(21:53):
reopening measure, which does not include the very thing Democrats
said was their main demand, the continuation of health insurance.
He's one of those damns who folded his Senator Jean Shaheen,
who said on this early on.

Speaker 7 (22:05):
I had a meeting with some constituents last Friday when
I was in New Hampshire.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
One was a.

Speaker 16 (22:10):
Man who said, if I didn't have that insurance through
the Affordable Care Act, I would not have gone to
the doctor, I would not have gotten my cancer treated,
and I would be dead by now.

Speaker 18 (22:20):
Well, now she is citing those same constituents for the backdown.

Speaker 16 (22:25):
When I talked to my constituents in New Hampshire, you
know what they say to me. They say, why can't
you all just work together to address the problems that
are facing this country?

Speaker 13 (22:34):
Right?

Speaker 18 (22:34):
That's the way Guzie Washington. Yeah, Trump crushed his opponents,
including Democratic Senate leader Schumer, says Trump, of that face off.

Speaker 19 (22:43):
He thought he could break the Republicans, and the Republicans
broke him.

Speaker 18 (22:47):
Benachle Politics. Some Dems are calling for Schumer to be
replaced Inator Bernie Sanders saying, of this.

Speaker 10 (22:53):
Look, I think it was a terrible, terrible boot at
a time when we have a broken healthcare system.

Speaker 18 (23:00):
Republicans say they might have a vote on healthcare subsidies,
perhaps in December. Even if there is a vote on this,
it is unlikely to win Republican backing. In Republicans for
years have come out with no plans zip for health
care improvements, so the expectation would be that millions of
people here who have subsidized healthcare at the minute will
lose that health coverage. All this comes to a crunch
again by the end of January, when there could be

(23:21):
another shutdown, and centrist Dems argue it would be even
clearer that their political opponents have nothing on their health issue. Meantime,
air travel hair continues to be completely chaotic. The number
of flight cancellations this week is growing more than today.
Trump has slammed those air traffic controllers who, with no
money coming in, took on other jobs or quit just
to allow their families to survive. That was unamerican, says Trump,

(23:45):
who doesn't have to worry about missing a monthly paycheck.
I guess Trump is proposing a bonus of ten thousand
bucks for controllers who stayed on the job. No details
on any of that, so they don't hold your breath. Folks,
ask John Fox where he Trump would find the money
for that, the funding the presidents.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 20 (24:00):
I'll get it from someplace.

Speaker 18 (24:02):
So money for forny paybags or billions for Argentina.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
No problem.

Speaker 18 (24:07):
Money for healthcare or food for Americans struggling, not possible.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
I suppose this was always coming. But this Camp Mystic
thing will end up in court.

Speaker 18 (24:15):
Yeah, it's about time. I think the story has kind
of disappeared. Back in July the fourth, it was a
dark time when twenty seven people, mostly the young kids
of course, drowned in flash floods at that religious for
retreat site known as Camp Mystic. This camp was in
a known flash flood zone. Now, the families of some
of those victims of vide lawsuits where they claim in
gress negligence by the camp operators, and these lawsuits got

(24:36):
to say a brutal in their accusations. They accused the
camp management putting profit over safety, some of the parents
saying the tragedy was no mischances one.

Speaker 10 (24:44):
This wasn't an accident, this was complacency and it is
one hundred percent preventable.

Speaker 18 (24:51):
They say the owners chose to house young girls in
cabins in flood prone spots to avoid the cost of
relocating those cabins. They claim also that when the Weather
Service put out their middle of the night warning of
life threatening mass flooding, the owners spent about an hour
plus protecting equipment. I did nothing at that point to
try and save lives. They claim the owners wrongly directed
some to stay in the cabins while others were running
for their lives. The owners say they did not realize

(25:13):
at first the scale of this thing. But these are
pretty scathing accusations.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
See Friday Richard Uncle's stateside Mirran. By the way, who's
Trump's appointment to the FED? He's talking up another half
point cut? The irony of that being and I don't
know that anyone's joined the dots. Is Trump's busy telling
you how good the economy is, and yet has man
on the Fed's telling you how poor it must be
to warrant her a fifty point cut. So the two
don't join up. But it might not matter because the

(25:37):
Mega millions is up to a billion on November eleven,
as in today, and that would make it the eighth
biggest of all time. Five balls and the Golden One,
and it's all yours ten away from seven.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
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Speaker 2 (25:54):
Mine could have shut down? Ever happened in New Zealand.
Very good question. No who's the answer. We have a
different system. We don't have an upper House, and the
Government of the day have the numbers and they keep
the money and the budgets flowing. We'd have an election
before a shutdown. Mike, I hope you're going to ask
Ginny about her knowledge of Costa skullduggery when she was
at the Policeman And well, of course I will, but
there isn't any The word skullduggery is interesting and I'll

(26:14):
come back to that in just a couple of moments.
But this don't try and drag this into a political thing,
because it isn't Ginny's clean labors clean. They made a
bad appointment in Costa. He was hopeless, But that's not
what we're talking about this morning, Mike. Have Costa was
cleaned beforehand? Why did he compromise his integrity? Why does
anybody compromise in integrity? Did mix Skimming have dirt on him?

(26:36):
Did mix Skimming have dirt on others? Where did mix
Skimming get all his houses from? See? This is what
I worry about now. MX Skimming's got a couple of houses.
To be blunt and without sounding like a snob, they're
regular every day average houses, they'll be worth three or
four million dollars if you've worked most of your life
in a reasonably high paying job, plus you've got a
pension scheme. There are plenty of New Zealanders with houses
like that. He's not a overtly wealthy man, so don't

(26:59):
try and raw too many things in there as to
his integrity, you know, ask yourself, why does anybody behave
the way they do?

Speaker 9 (27:06):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
I hope these police who have been involved we'll see
the full force of the law. That's an interesting question.
Is negligence illegal? Is skullduggery a crime? Did they look
away because mcskimming was their mate or did they know
mc Skimming was a crook and look away? Therefore, they're
different equations, aren't they. So we'll ask that after seven

(27:28):
o'clock as well, five to seven the ins and the outs.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
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Speaker 2 (27:37):
Good news on housing, so we're setting records for first
home buyers. So I'm glad we've sorted this out. I
think we've sorted this out once and for all, that
old angsty thing whereby no one can afford a house.
It simply isn't true. So these are stats from catality.
In Westpac First home Buyer Report September quarter, twenty seven
point seven percent of all homes sold were the first
home buyers record and it breaks the previous good which

(28:00):
was twenty six point nine and that will set back
in December of last year or December quarter of last year.
Who's doing well Wellington first home buyers thirty six percent
of the market wrote a U of thirty two South
Wai Kato and Timuary twenty eight lending to first home
buyers highest level of more than three years. So the
money's there, the interest rates are down. Report does say
that there are still some barriers. Well, of course there

(28:20):
are barriers. They are always going to be barriers, and
it's the average age of first home buyers is now
thirty six years old. But we've got to break the
psychology or the mindset. Now kids suffered as well when
you're twenty four to twenty five, twenty six. Great story
in the Herald this morning, the woman involved as twenty
eight first home buyer. We've got to break this mindset
that kids have these days. I'm never going to own
a house. It simply isn't true. Pre COVID average was

(28:43):
thirty four, so it's gone from thirty four to thirty six.
Average costs for a home bought by the first time
a seven hundred thousand majority is standalone homes. Now that's interesting.
There'll be a link to borrowing money from the banks,
of course, but standalone homes are more expensive than an
apartment or a townhouse, lower than the median price across
all the catg wheas a seven hundred and seventy thousand dollars.
So that's encouraging, isn't it right. Richard Chambers, police commissioner,

(29:05):
he's had he's got a mess on his hands and
he's going to have to clean it up. The reputational
damage is going to be interesting. Are some of the
texts to indicate this morning that there's an element of
suspicion in the community about the police. Mark Mitchell, of course,
later on Jenny Anderson as well. We've got it all
covered this morning here on the My Asking Breakfast at
news talk.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
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Speaker 2 (29:35):
B seven past seven, so so had to an ugly read.
The IPCA reported the mixed skimming behavior as well as
the actions of some senior police of course serious failings
and by and including former Commissioner Andrew Coster. Richard Chambers
is the Police Commissioner and is with us. Good morning,
good morning. So just for clarity's sake, you've been in
the job one year. You're clean.

Speaker 19 (29:55):
You knew nothing, absolutely nothing. Mike Coor was briefed on
two days before I started as the Commissioner of New
Zealm Police at the end of November last year.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
And what were you briefed on and what did you
do and when did you do it?

Speaker 19 (30:09):
I was briefed on the fact that there was an
investigation under way and that there had been a complaint
by a victim more than months earlier in the year
that that had not been handled properly and reflected poorly
on now former members of the New Zealand Police Executive.

(30:31):
So the first priority was to put the right systems
and processes in place so that her complaint was taken
seriously and the right people were investigating, with the right
structure in place. That was critically important, and of course
running alongside that was a complaint to the IPCA, and
that of course came out yesterday.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
So you spent the first year of your job cleaning
the place up.

Speaker 19 (30:56):
Yes, I have done a bit that nke.

Speaker 9 (31:00):
That way certainly?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Can you or could you believe what you were walking into?

Speaker 19 (31:07):
Look, I knew that I needed to reset the priorities
for using on police. I needed to ensure that the
focus was on the front line. I knew all of that,
and I've done that. But yes, quite frankly, Look, I've
spent a good champ of the last twelve months mopping
up some mess that occurred before my time, and I
take that in my stride. It's part of my job, right.

(31:29):
But you know, Look, there's fifteen thousand men, a woman
of New Seum Police did a great job that night
for our country. My focus is on them, not self interest,
and that's what you saw in this case.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
I'm told it's limited to five or six people. Is
that correct?

Speaker 11 (31:42):
Correct?

Speaker 19 (31:42):
Yes, that is correct?

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Have they all been dealt to or with?

Speaker 19 (31:47):
Fortunately most of those are former members of the Newseum
Police executive have departed the organization. I'm very pleased about that.
There are in the recommendations a request that I sort
of the recommendation that I instigate employment investigations. There are
three underway in relation to other members.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Is cost is one? Is cost of one of those?
Or is he now separate giving the works elsewhere?

Speaker 19 (32:13):
Yees, he's separate now in his new role. That's a
matter between him and his employee of the Public Service Commission.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
The woman and her complaint are still in court, aren't they.

Speaker 19 (32:24):
So the mesters that resulted in her being charged in
middle of last year, that is now that is no longer.

Speaker 9 (32:30):
In the court.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
So that has been taken out of the court and
resulved in some way, shape or form. Is there a
check being written? How does that being or how is
that being handled?

Speaker 19 (32:38):
I reached out her legal representative late yesterday to express
an apology on behalf of the New Zealand Police for
what had occurred. And I did say to him that
I had no doubt the further conversations at an appropriate
time in the future.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
And did he say something like you bet their will.

Speaker 19 (32:55):
Well, you know, he really appreciated my phone call. I mean,
that's the way I operate, and it's important that I
do reach out and express an apology, and we didn't
get into any detail, but I have no doubt that
we would be meeting in due course. So I would
like to express my apologies again, but in person, just.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
As it just we're inundated with texts and there's a
lot of people asking a lot of questions. As best
you're able to explain, the government is clear of the
government and the previous government are clear at this So
in other words, Stuart Nash, Jinny Anderson, Mark Mitchell didn't
appoint a bunch of crooks that they somehow knew were dodgy.

Speaker 19 (33:31):
Oh look, that's not a matter for me, Mike to
really comment on. I mean, you know, the thing is here, Yes,
the focus is on a former Deputy commissioner who who
has behaved incredibly badly. The bit I really struggle with,
where is the personal responsibility for fronting up and saying, look,
there's some things here that I think you need to

(33:52):
know about that. I'm not proud of that. He never
did that as far as I'm aware different. So you know,
we can look at the systems and processes about a
pointing people, but where's the personal responsibility, you know, I mean,
it's an absolute privilege to serve New Zealand police, but
particularly at the most senior level. So it's an absolute
disgrace that at no point there was honesty and integrity

(34:15):
that one individual in particular who did not say this is.

Speaker 9 (34:20):
A problem here.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Well, who's the bigger thug here? Is it cost or
mix skimming? I mean, yes, MC skimming has been dealt
to and I can I see what you're saying, But
I mean cost is cost an about it? What's that
say about it?

Speaker 19 (34:31):
Yes, yep, Well, you know people will take from that
what they will. I've certainly got a personal view. It's
an absolute disgrace. It's lacking a leadership, it's lacking integrity,
you know. So he's going to need to answer to that.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Those five or six that we talked about. Is there
an argument? I hope My questions clear. Did they look
at MC skimming and in the heart of hearts believe them,
or did they look at mixed skimming and go possible?
But we going to cover them anyway.

Speaker 19 (35:02):
Oh, look, I think there was a narrative that they
brought into that he you know that there had been
some issues as a consequence of an affair that had
occurred a number of years prior even that I knew
nothing about. So I think they believed his narrative and
that clouded their judgment, their decision making. And they know
that he was being put forward as an ex commisioner

(35:24):
of police. I mean, goodness, gracious, I mean, can you
just imagine what would have happened if that had occurred?
So I think they brought into a narrative that clouded
the you know, their own personal self self interest. And
we have a poor victim who was reaching out wanting
to tell a story and she was not taken seriously.

(35:44):
And now that that is not the responsibility of my
very very good investigators across the country who work with
these types of situations. It's the responsibility that the former
executive needs to own.

Speaker 9 (35:56):
And it's a pauling.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Are you confident that that blindness that they portrayed is
limited just to MC skimming and no other complaints, people's situations, cases, investigations,
or anything. Well, I certainly hope so, Mike, because not
quite enough. Are you clear? Are we clear that this
is it? Or is there potentially more if we dug.

Speaker 19 (36:20):
Well, look, my job right now is to ensure that
I take on board or the recommendations and work swiftly
to put everything in place to ensure this that this
never happens again. And you know, in terms of other
stuff out there, well, I only know what I know.
I'm not aware of anything else, and I've got I
hope that there's not the case, because you know, the

(36:41):
people of New Zealand when they reach out to New
Zealand Police, deserve the best possible service they can get
and they need to be taken seriously. And I've been
very clear about that since I took over as the commissioner.
Our priority is supporting the front line staff of my
organization who do this with day and day, day and night,
and I'm.

Speaker 11 (36:58):
Really proud of it.

Speaker 19 (36:59):
And you know my focus now. I'm going to be
putting a new leadership team in place and they all
be working with me to help steer and use it
on police in the right direction and ensure that these
accorring situations never happen again.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Appreciate your time as always, Richard Chambers, Police Commissioner, Mark Mitchell,
Ginny Anderson still to come. Fifteen Past the.

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Speaker 2 (37:26):
News talksb we'll get to the guns in about fifteen minutes.
On the broader law subject, we've got this roadside drug
testing announced as well, so cannabis, meth, MDMA and cocaine
tested as of well Wellington next month, nationwide April next year.
Glenn Dobson's the boss at the Drug Detection Agency and
as well as Glenn morning. Yeah, Mike, are we going
to get a Pandora's box of drug added losers behind

(37:47):
the wheel of cars once we start testing for it?

Speaker 6 (37:51):
Yeah, Look, it's a possibility at the moment. I guess
we're on the roads and we don't accurately know who's
out there and what the drivers are affected by the governments,
but out stats that thirty percent of fatal exidents now
have drug effected drivers and that's really scary. So I
applaud the government for taking this positive move.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
And is this tech in the device and or is
that kosher? And you know, we're not going to end
up with a whole lot of argument about what we're
doing and what we're not doing. This is just like
alcohol and no real difference, kind of yes and kind
of no.

Speaker 6 (38:21):
To a certain extent. Lock any new legislation is always
going to get challenge and I can see the legal
fraternity definitely sitting up a little side business challenging this
legislation for the first couple of years and finds its own.
But in relation to roadside drug testing, it is accurate
the devices we've verified. We are following a similar regime
that Australia's had and part of the process is samples

(38:43):
go to the lab for confirmatory testing if there is
going to be a prosecution and lab is the gold standard.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
In relation to that, is it a game changer? In
other words, will we tidy up the roads? Do you
think it's the deterrent we've been waiting for.

Speaker 6 (38:58):
Look, it's not the silver bullet. It's not going to
be a the game changer. But it is a massive
move in the right direction. You know, enforcement along with education,
along with the police having the ability to actually take
action against drug effected drivers more than just the physical
roadside and pyment tests they do at the moment is

(39:18):
a really positive move. And like I say, similar to
the legislator, sorry, the areas in Australia that are doing
it successfully at the moment.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Good Glenn Good, and so I appreciate it. Glenn Dobson
Drug Detection Agency, Yes gunn shortly got some very good
news on tourism. Still to come, but this reformal review yesterday.
More on that in the moment. Seven twenty.

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thing until it wasn't. Guns I think are like flu ride,
aren't they? Or masm? The old MSM gets people a
bit angsty. Out of christ Church came the idea that
gun law needed amending. The amending got another look when

(40:52):
Act came to power, because they are libertarians and people
who broadly speaking of a common sense view of the world,
and the idea that the more you restrict weaponry the
less likely you are to have a massacre is of
course nonsense, And like so many things that you had earned.
Hepkin Zerra was responsible for real world policy for real
world behavior. Wasn't really one of them nuss's get guns.
The fact Tarrant got his legally didn't change the equation.

(41:12):
And that's before you get to the bit. This is
not a country of hot head crazies. With the longlist
of violent massacres. It is true we have a lot
of guns per head of population, but that reflects our
outdoors and rural lifestyles as opposed to an American type
view of defending yourself. Anyway, Nicole McKee, straight from the
gun side of the equation, was going to have a
look and from that came the expectation that some sort
of major liberalization was coming, but it was not to be.

(41:34):
Yesterday was more, as it turned out, a bit of
a dabble than a revolution. And the fact McKee and
Act have invoked agree to disagree as either assign a
political maturity or seething anger or possibly both. If you
listen to Mark Mitchell around the police's role and the
Firearm Safety Authority National will never budget. There is some
stuff there about three D printing which makes sense, but
overall it puts this whole exercise into the category of

(41:57):
a review, not an overhaul. I never thought personally listening
of access to the so called MSSA weapons was a
major but I get a lot of people would have
in a way. It's a good example of the disconnect
I think really between the country and the city. The
city would be aghast those sort of guns because the
city doesn't use guns, or get it, most gun owned
as a regular people burdened by a regular thinking of

(42:17):
the adourns who couldn't or wouldn't know one end of
a gun from another. McKey was from the other side
of the argument, but ultimately lost. That's politics, so carry on.
Then the angst was wasted. Nothing to see here, Hosking, Mike.
Do you know what I like about Chambers? He does
not use that corporate speak. He just uses everyday normal language,

(42:38):
so refreshing. I agree. I get a lot of time
for Chambers. He seems like a good bloke. Morning Mike.
There's another prime example of what this government is still
cleaning up after two years coming into power. Cost was
put into that role by labor and poor leadership, picks
poor leadership. It's yeah, I'm struggling not to get involved
in that because you know my views on Costa and
it was a captain's call from a Durna Nash And

(42:59):
if you think back to the time, there were other
contenders that you thought, oh, yeah, I can see who
they're going to go with, until they didn't, and you thought,
where the hell did he come from? And so you've
got to be careful though, because just because a guy's
not particularly good at their job doesn't mean he turns
out to be the Coster that we seemingly know. Now,
they're in a way two different subjects. Mike, did all

(43:20):
these five or six executive get to resign or retire
with the benefits in the big paycheck that comes with
it and on long service leave until retirement? Very fair question.
Mitchell will have the answer to that, but it does
go to the line criminality is different from turning a
blind eye? Or is that perverting the course of justice?

(43:41):
And if it is perverting the course of justice, where
are the charges our charge is still to come and
where we waiting for yesterday's report? Or is just a
lot of incompetence and the old boys club at play
and those guys get to wander off into the sunset.
The other interesting question we've already raised this morning Coster job,
as far as I know, has done nothing wrong. So therefore,

(44:04):
in his new job, when you exit him, as he
undoubtedly will be, does a check go with it because he,
you know, look at it on a piece of papers,
started and has done nothing wrong to this point. He's
on a five year appointment so some more questions still
to come. Mark and Ginny after raight meantime, The news
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Speaker 2 (44:36):
Eight Politics Wednesday, twenty three minutes away from eight related
matters Again, reforms were released, but as of late afternoon
buried because under mxcuming scandal the firearms registerabile stay semi
automatic access won't be wider than the Firearms Safe Authority
will remain under police gang members are out for registering
for a license, and we've got some new rules around
three D printing guns and stuff like that. Hughgebro Mac

(44:57):
is the council or with the Council of Licensed Firearm
and is with us. Hugh Morning, Good morning. Make out
of ten ten that couldn't have done the better one,
it was a bust. What's your number?

Speaker 9 (45:08):
Look?

Speaker 14 (45:08):
I think it's probably strong seven. So the things that
have mentioned are actually pretty good. But what's absent? What
is going to annoy a lot of license farms owners
who are expecting for more.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Okay, so the heavyweight stuff, the big guns all that
sort of stuff. Is that going to upset people, do
you think or not?

Speaker 14 (45:25):
I think what'll upset them is the fact that they've
been promised this sort of overwhelming reform of gun laws,
and what we've actually got is just kind of a
retweak of what is already existing. So that'll be a
bit of a disappointment, and that'll hopefully or more likely
come down on national for choosing politics over evidence face
warmaking that words.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
So that's interesting because the next question is if they
hadn't see is this and that they'd sort of I mean,
the inference was there that big change was coming and
it hasn't turned up. Is that on them politically or not?

Speaker 14 (45:57):
Whether it's on act politically, I'm not sure how people
are going to respond to this one. To be fair,
there will be people who are coming from Nicole amount,
so that that then would be of anyone in there
fighting for licensed firearms owners. Who else are you going
to give a vote to?

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Really, there's no one, no, okay. So if you go
back to the original problem as they perceived it, which
was the doing Amendment out of Christ judge, has anything
materially changed that vastly improves or doesn't improve the scenario
as we once had it before. Christ Judge, I.

Speaker 14 (46:28):
Think one of the major things that has it's not
necessarily changed, but it's new, and that's getting the police
regulator away from them. And this is because the trust
and confidence license firearms owners have had in police have
plummeted since twenty nineteen. And that's because after they failed
to do their due process and they gave a terrorist
to firearms license, they got up and said they did

(46:49):
nothing wrong. The system needed to change and license firearms
owners to to blame. You can't recover from that sort
of reputational damage with the community that you're then supposed
to regulate and take care of. We have seen multiple
instances of individuals being bullied by police, by police overreach
due to clauses that say any factor and officer deems

(47:10):
appropriate is enough to strip someone of their license, even
though no crimes are being committed. It might be a
medical reason. So over the years, our faith in police
has completely broken down. So removing them, I think is
the biggest win for firearms owners and putting up this
new regulator and a review committee, hopefully which involves members
of the licensed community. I think that's a great step

(47:30):
for everyone.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Well suit as a person who doesn't own a gun,
have never shot a gun, and not remotely interested in guns,
Am I safer?

Speaker 14 (47:39):
I don't think you are any more safe from this.
And we know this because even the twenty nineteen law changes,
which made probably the most restrictive laws that New Zealand's
ever seen, did not affect gun crime. What we have
to remember is these laws will affect by far the
licensed and law abiding individuals. They will make no difference
really to those who use firearm to commit harm at

(48:00):
our communities because they always emploid the law. It's the
part of being a criminal.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
You appreciate it. You Deboro Back from the Council of
License fire Armona's nineteen minutes away from Sex, the commissioner
said most of the five or six have gone, not all.
How many of the five or six there wellly are
to these said two or three are still working through
unemployment process. Part of that is Costa. Costa is no
longer under his broad umbrella. But we'll cover all of
that off with Mark and Jenny after eight o'clock. By

(48:28):
the way, Derry is a problem. Production's running hot globally.
Fonterra's record price of ten sixteen. That was last season.
They're still sitting on ten this morning. Last time we
talked to Myles Hurrle, which was a couple of weeks ago,
and that was over the commercial brand sale. He said
voluntarily that they were still comfortable with the ten. I

(48:49):
think it's under severe pressure now. I think I can't
remember whether it can't be. There must be next week
another dairy auction. But they've been poor of late and
the ten's under some stress. But production for September was
up two and a half percent year on year season
to date, and the season starts at the beginning of June,
productions up two point eight percent. Globally, just about everywhere

(49:10):
is growing milk production, so you've got a classic milk
market at the moment. While we've been sitting here in
Clover in New Zealand, going who look at the price
as the rest of the world's gone and we'll hold on.
We can probably produce a little bit more if we tried.
And what has happened this is interesting is the general
idea globally was we wouldn't be able to produce more
milk because of the climate, because of the crackdown on
farming and dairy and stuff like that. But things like science, technology, breeding, feeding,

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all of those sort of things have improved and they
are able to make more milk, all of which is
good for the world, but not particularly good for New
Zealand Inc. We are starting this is the experts, not me.
We're starting to see a milk glut. So the futures
pricing is currently sitting at nine to seventy seven, which
ain't ten. And then you get the dairy auction coming,

(49:56):
which hasn't been good over the last four or five times.
So just brace yourself for the golden days to at
least to some extent anyway, come to an end. Eighteen
to two.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
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Speaker 2 (50:12):
It'd be certain forty five Mike, I had drilled into
me that you cannot contract out of negligence of cost.
Is found to have acted negligently in carrying out his duty,
then the consequences need to reflect the severity of his
an action. Well, I mean what consequences. I mean he's
going to lose his job, presumably this new social agency
or whatever the case may be. Morty Mike's of the
public are absolutely justifiably furious with a mixed skimming debarcle

(50:34):
and the miscreant lose a leadership who protected him. Can
you imagine how current serving policemen and women feel. It's
beyond sickening. It's a funny thing you carried. It's a
fair point. And I'm not a police person obviously, but
I've worked in organizations where leadership has failed abysmally and
I've never taken that on board personally because it isn't
about me, and I've always gone about my job. And

(50:57):
I would imagine a police force which is fifteenth strong,
you have little if any control. I mean, obviously I
would have thought of you've got a good police minister
and you've got a good police commissioner, and if you
look at the top ranks and you're going, yep, they're
good people. If feel better about yourself in general, it
goes without saying. I would have thought. And equally, if
you got idiots running the place, you've got to be
a bit depressed. But it's not on you, and it's

(51:19):
not about you, and it shouldn't necessarily adjust your attitude
and the way you do your job, or that would
be my take, having worked for places run by complete clowns,
I always enjoyed doing my job, even though the idiots
at the top didn't have the slightest idea. In the book.
By the way, I will name names.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Sometimes it's almost like they're doing it deliberately, isn't.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
It Almost You look at them and you go, are
you accidentally that useless? Or are you just setting out
to be that incompetent rocket Lab By the way, yesterday
they delayed that first flight on the neutron. The neutron
is the one that's going to potentially take people, which
will be next level for Rocket Lab. I'm interested. Also,
they're still losing money, which is one of those fascinating

(51:59):
things of modern business. You can be worth an absolute fortune,
and Beck justifiably so. I supposed as a billionaire, and
a lot of the people he started the company with
a multi multi multimillionaires, if not billionaires, because the market
cap is huge. But they're still losing money and they
won't make money until the neutron gets The neutron was
due to go this year, it's now next year. So

(52:20):
this all came out of their third quarter endings. Their
market cap is sitting at about twenty five billion dollars.
It won't break into black until the Neutron is launched.
And speaking of money, I read a very good piece
that I would thoroughly recommend to you yesterday out of
the New Year Sydney Morning Herald, under the headline of
Escape from New York. It's the story about Mendani. Mendani
hasn't even started yet, of course, but a couple of

(52:42):
things he's looking to do. The corporate tax is going
to go, he claims, from seven point five to eleven
point five percent. Do remember that corporate tax and state tax,
it's all completely different. In America. Federal as well is
going to add two percent of income tax to those
earning more than a million bucks. So he claims that's
going to bring in four to five billion dollars each year.
So all of that's very fine. But the bloke in
the article is a guy called Blincarto who runs an

(53:03):
asset management company. He said, people are bailing left, right
and center, and the place they're going is Texas, namely Dallas.
They now call Dallas Yowl Street. We're going to Yowl
Street because they've got lower taxes, lower regulation, and they're
booming hard to remain And this is the line, it's
hard to remain a financial capital when you despise capitalism.

(53:27):
Cities run by people who've never run a business or
met a payroll are killing their own proverbial golden goose.
I mean, you could said that about the last labor government.
Of course, not a single one of them had ever
owned a business in their life. A couple of them
had run a business. David Parker was once all seen
as quite a good businessman, but apart from that, they
didn't have a clue. The state share of America's wealthier

(53:48):
citizens in New York has gone from twelve point seven
percent to eight point seven percent. So they bailed already.
This is since twenty twenty two. And they are losing
because of that, on average thirteen billion dollars in tax
each year. So they're just so just do the numbers.
They're losing thirteen billion. But Mindami's claim he's going to
raise four or five, So he raises four or five

(54:09):
to lose thirteen cool politics Texas their share of millionaires
has gone from eight point five to nine point two percent.
The financial services jobs in the last five years, the
number of jobs they've created in New York and financial
services is nineteen thousand? Is that a good number? Not really,
because in Texas they've created over one hundred thousand. So

(54:30):
you basically go and this is the this is the
great lesson in life. The people with the money, the
people with the success, the people who invest, the people
who grow, the people who employ, go where the good
politics is ten away from.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
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Speaker 2 (54:47):
dB seven Away from the tourism story continues to unfold
in the positive way. This time next week, Next Wednesday,
hotel occupancy in Auckland's going to be one hundred percent.
When was the last time they did that? Years years ago?
It equates the fifty seven thousand visited night's any Dundas
is with Auckland unlimited morning.

Speaker 15 (55:03):
Good morning, mate.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
When we say one hundred percent, is it literally one
hundred percent or just a rounded sort of.

Speaker 15 (55:09):
Number, Well, it's pretty close. We don't often get this close,
so we're pretty excited.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
So is it a conference in a concert and that's
the sort of thing that tips it over or are
we seeing a broader trend?

Speaker 15 (55:22):
You know, these two events have spiked it but we
are seeing more conferences obviously hit the city as well,
so there's a ton of events on at this You know,
we start November starts our kind of busy season, but
those two events timed at the same time have just
hit us over that sort of percent mark.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
So over the season, then how close to one hundred
will will we get On an ongoing basis.

Speaker 15 (55:45):
Well, we'll probably average over the summer between eighty and
eighty five percent occupancy, and these nice big events spikes
just lift us up for certain parts of the parts
of the year. The last time we probably had a
spike like this earlier in the year SLGP look zmes
prior to that Coldplay Pearl Jam. They kind of just
give those lovely little spikes and really support the accommodation

(56:06):
in hospital sector.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
So what the government's saying, there's two key things there.
One are the new rules around Eden Park that will
make a material difference, presumably in the opening of the
convention center. So that's good for your side of the equation,
I'm assuming.

Speaker 15 (56:19):
Very very good. It means that we have a better
well balanced year round program of events and therefore hospitality
and accommodation has a more consistent run. It's kind of
filling restaurants and filling hotels.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Can the city cope?

Speaker 14 (56:32):
Yes?

Speaker 15 (56:33):
Absolutely? And actually what it does it brings such incredible vibrancy.
You know, a busy city is a safe city. The
more people we have in the city, it feels safe,
it feels better, feels more lively.

Speaker 16 (56:42):
So this is a this is a great step forward.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Which is the juxtaposition, I guess between what you're trying
to sell and what we hear on the news on
a daily basis. Auckland's a dump, downtown's dead. Is that
a problem or does this fix that or help fix it?

Speaker 15 (56:56):
This helps, So vibrancy is great. And you know we've
got cruise ships starting to pile in, so that's you know,
two three thousand passengers coming off ships to support the
city center. So all of that helps to try and
keep the city lively. We want the city looking great.
We've there a whole lot of work going on around
the nighttime economy, getting you know, Aucklands and visitors into
the city after five, and that's also helping to drive

(57:18):
vibrancy and filling their news at hospital across the city
as well.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Good stuff. Annie Andy Dundas, Who's Worth Auckland Unlimited. Hopefully
it flows around the rest of the country as well.
Four minutes away from eight related matters, Continace Traveler this
morning have got the best go to places for twenty
twenty six. Honestly, these people I'm thinking these days. I
thought Continasa was the real deal, but I no longer
think so. There's any number of people out there just
randomly throwing darts boards going I reckon should go there,

(57:43):
and I don't think there's anything behind a Queenstown is
one of the best in Oceani and now technically that's true.
I mean you can't beat Central Otago. Queenstown's duel in
our crown. Tourism wise, it stacks up with anywhere in
the world. So Continace telling you to go to Queenstown,
I suppose there's a thing. But then they come in
with the the eight entries for Australia in the top ten,
including Adelaide, Darwin and Perth. Now I've been to two

(58:06):
of those three. The one I hadn't been to is Darwin,
and there's very good reason for that. There's no reason
to go to Darwin. It's pointless if.

Speaker 6 (58:12):
You're running away from something.

Speaker 10 (58:14):
I think it' quite good.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Play yew if you don't want to be found, sure,
but I've been to Perth and Adelaide. I wouldn't go back,
and so how condinace come up with the list that
you'd want to? I mean really, one of the recommendations
in the top ten is Paramatta in Sydney. I mean
it's not even Sydney. Sydney. I like, I got a
lot of time for Sydney, but you haven't been to Paramatta.
For all the places in Oceania, it's not in the

(58:37):
top ten. Stop making stuff up, Mark and Ginny after.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
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Speaker 13 (58:54):
Love in good words.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
May Stables first album since twenty nineteen, Human Mind, was
written specifically for her. Tom Waits is on board, Buddy
Guy's in there as well. And you want to know
how old to you? She's eighty six? Do you know what?
I think? The secret of life is doing things you

(59:24):
love and you'll look forever eighty six. You're still going strong,
Still the great voice reminds me.

Speaker 9 (59:28):
Of Warren Buffet.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
I was reading about him yesterday he released his letter
and his health update. I'll get to that by time
later on at the program. But anyway, he still goes
to the office five day's leaving, of course, but goes
to the uppice five days a week, and even then
drinks the Coca cola and has survived. Anyway, It's eight
minutes past eight. Time for politics Wednesday. Mark Mitchell's with
us along with Ginny Anderson. Morning to you both.

Speaker 9 (59:49):
Morning, Mike, morning Jiliff, Good morning to base.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Right. So to you first, Ginny, because we've sort of
heard from Mark and the news today, and we've heard
from Chambers of course, so a lot of people immediately
and this is this is the fascinating thing about politics
days and dates and times. Most people want me to
grill you and nail you to the wall because you
were the police minister when Coster God appointed, which, of
course you'll immediately tell me is not the case, won't you.

Speaker 21 (01:00:13):
Well, no, I wasn't when he was appointed. He was
already commissioner when I was Minister of Place exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
So just for the record, you know, what about any
of this, I.

Speaker 9 (01:00:26):
Was not informed.

Speaker 21 (01:00:27):
Nothing was raised with me during my time as Minister
for Police. But saying that, and having read that report
in the small hours of this morning, we understand that
there's been multiple emails sent to multiple ministers' officers and
so that search is now going on to see if
there were emails sent that went raised.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
If you got sent emails, it wouldn't be unusual. I mean,
how many emails as a minister would you receive on
any given week or month? And would it be unusual
if I wrote to you and said I want you
to look at this because I've got a problem that
you wouldn't see it. And is that a dereliction of
some sort of duty.

Speaker 21 (01:01:04):
Yeah, we get one hundreds and Mark will be the same.
You get hundreds of emails, and specifically in the police portfolio,
you do get a range of different accusations coming and
you try. You know, office staff are trained to seft
through those to the best of their ability and take
the right action with each of those emails.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Now you did get emails, Mark, You're you're saying this
morning that costs have blocked you from seeing them.

Speaker 22 (01:01:28):
Yeah, they just they put a protocol in place whereby
I was not to have visibility on it or any
of my political stuff, and they were going to be
handled by P and HQ. So I had no visibility
on any emails that I received, you know, that came
through my office.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Is there a question to be asked that if your
office did receive emails and the police were going, we'll
take care of it, thank you very much, that no
one in your office at any point would go that's interesting. Mark,
By the way, do you realize this is going on?

Speaker 22 (01:01:59):
Well, I think the context around it is that because
number one, I just want to say that my private
police private sects in my office who are police employees,
are quite simply outstanding. They had no reason to question
an instruction coming from P and HQ, particularly the Commissioner's office,
because they would have thought, oh, this is great. The
commissioner is dealing with this, so you know it's been

(01:02:20):
dealt with at the highest level, so you know, there's
nothing on them at all. They are outstanding, they do
a great job. But quite simply, it was a protocol
that was put in place that is really consistent with
the bad behavior that we've seen bought Ford and highlighted
in the IPCA report which meant that I got no
visibility on them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I asked Chambers, this interested in your view, Mark, who's
the bigger the criminal? I use the word loosely, who's
the bigger criminal in this cost or or mc skimming?
Mc skimming for doing what he's clearly done and the
court admitted to in the rest of it, or cost
of for covering it?

Speaker 11 (01:02:55):
Uh?

Speaker 22 (01:02:55):
Well, I think obviously Mick Skimming. I can't talk to
the U to the court case because although he's pled guilty,
they still have sentencing to come up. What I'd say, Mike,
is that all of them, in my view, are as
bad as each other. It is atrocious behavior. They have
put the rest of our outstanding police officers in an

(01:03:16):
awful position, who turn up every day and quite simply
do outstanding work. You know, they've all been moved on.
It's up to myself and the Commissioner now to work
hard and put in place measures that people the public
can have confidence that this will not happen again.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Have they been moved on and retired and have got
payouts or and or is there any criminal activity involved
that or pending criminal activity?

Speaker 22 (01:03:44):
Well, that's something that the commission and the police that's operational.
They'll have to have a look at all that I
can say. And again I'm not going to talk to
each individual employment case, but all I'd say is that
all of them have moved on. They have all gone
and that was the right thing to do, without a doubt.
When you read the IPCA report.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Is there any political blowback, Jenny, Not for you personally,
but for the labor government. I mean Costa was an
out of the box appointment. Was a captain's call from
adern backed I'm assuming by Nash at the time he
was seen as like political, is there problems for you
down the track or not?

Speaker 21 (01:04:20):
Well, the fact that nothing was raised with me, or
with other ministers of Police or even with the Prime
Minister demonstrates that there was a real failure there a
failure of duty on behalf of police to keep people
informed and in my main issue is that New Zealanders
should have every confidence that if they take a complaint

(01:04:41):
to police that it is investigated fully, and particularly for
sexual violence, we know we have that underreported and so
that is my problem is that it does erode public
trust and confidence that taking a complaint forward will be
taken seriously and investigated Real.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
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Ginny Anderson with us. Mark, if Costa can turn an
eye or a blind eye to this, what else did
he turn a blind eye to? And when will you
be able to answer that question definitively?

Speaker 22 (01:05:22):
Yeah, I think that without a doubt. You know, Commissioner
Chambers will be going back now and they'll be doing
their own pretty thorough internal investigations based off the IPCA
report that's that's come out. I mean, for both of
us now, we're really focused on making sure that we
give the public a sense that we're moving quickly and
we're doing the things that we need to do to

(01:05:43):
prevent this from happening again, and obviously making sure that
we are supporting and reinforcing our front line, who unfairly
will be dragged into this because every day we've got
our fifteen thousand stuff that get up and just quite
simply do outstanding work. For me, you know, sort of
five months into the job as the new Minister, I

(01:06:05):
was bringing forward concerns for the PSC about the capability
and delivery of the of the police executive. I didn't
have much confidence in them. And the only reason I
can think of that that Labor themselves, this was their
executive that they appointed didn't do that is because they
had a rolling wall of ministers. They had Poto Williams,

(01:06:26):
Chris Hipkins, Stuart Nash, Meaghan Woods and Jinny. But the
reality here is we just got to look forward. We
just got to make the changes now and put the
things in place to be able to fix this and
give the public assents that they've got every reason to
be able to have confidence. We've appointed an outstanding commissioner,
Richard Chambers. The actions that he's taken in his first

(01:06:48):
twelve months around the refocus on integery and standards has
been outstanding. And I know that I made some you know,
in my first twelve months. I had a big focus
on that too, because I did feel like there had
been a degradation and focus around standards.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Yeah, but Mark, I don't want to turn this political
this morning. There's a difference between being useless and being well.
You know, once again loosely used a crook. Jenny, if
I'd come to you as minister and said, look, you
got half a dozen in there that are clearly up
to no good, would you have been surprised?

Speaker 21 (01:07:24):
We had absolutely no information from police that this was occurring,
and so of course we have high expectations of the
level of service and the duty of police, and we
had trust and confidence at that point in time that
they were.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Doing their work. Well, what happens to people.

Speaker 21 (01:07:45):
So what we do support though, and I think it's
I've been encouraged to date that there's been some good
recommendations set forward of how we work, whether you're labor
or national on how we put this right. And I
think the recommendations to try and restore public confidence, including
the appointment of Inspector General, is something that we can

(01:08:07):
both work on together. And essentially I think we need
to do remove the politics from this because I think
it is so important that New Zealanders have that trust
and confidence restored in New Zealand police that this is
something that goes beyond political lines.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Do you know, either of you? So Costa loses his
job now, I'm assuming assuming also he's done nothing wrong
in his new job. Does he walk with a payout.

Speaker 22 (01:08:35):
I can't, to be honest with you, as a minister
might I can't speak to that because there is a
PSC process underway and I can't compromise that. Sorry, Petter,
if he did, would it looked bad. Well, I think
most members of the public would. That would be their

(01:08:55):
view on it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
You know.

Speaker 22 (01:08:58):
I just think that we've got a lot of work
to do, without a doubt, and we're just getting on
with it. And you know that the enormity and the
size and the atrocious behavior of our most senior police
officers in the country is a complete and utter you know,
breaking the trust that they have with the public.

Speaker 14 (01:09:15):
We've got to Yeah, it is.

Speaker 22 (01:09:16):
And but but the one thing I'd say, Mike, if
I just finish on this is it is in the
last couple of weeks, I've been to several awards ceremonies
for our police. Most of those awards that have had
that our are police officers that have put themselves at
risking their own lives on the line to save members
of the public. That's what they do every day. They
deserve to have our support. This is a very small

(01:09:38):
bunch of individuals at the top of the organization I
get that, and I recognize that we're going to move
to make sure that we fix it. Yes, we are
going to put an inspector general in place. That's important now,
and I just want to give everyone a sense that
both the Commissioner and I are working very hard to
make sure that we can maintain public support and our
police and that we continue to support them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Well said Ginny, you can answer them by half of
both of you, because I've got a bit of this
this morning. I don't believe it's represented at the wider public,
but this is nevertheless, Mike, these two politicians covering their asses.
How can anyone trust politicians and police?

Speaker 21 (01:10:09):
You say, what, Well, it's very clear that nothing was
raised with me during my time as Police Minister by
the police. So if we don't have that information and
we're not briefed on what is happening, then it removes
their ability to act decisively. And I think that any
minister are respective of the political party, if they were

(01:10:31):
provided with this information, they would not have appointed those
people and they would have taken action.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Well, so appreciate it.

Speaker 22 (01:10:38):
Actions speak louder than words, and we just got to
get on and do actions now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
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issue is a symptomatic of the blow of public service
grown by the Adrenehipkins regime, when eighteen thousand bureaucrats are

(01:11:31):
auted to the public service under a woke recruitment system
with accountability and responsibility lacking in the job descriptions of
senior middle managers. Corruption prevails. Cost was an adirn favorite,
just another appalling legacy of her time as PM. It'll
be interesting to see whether that plays out that way.
I mean, I still delineate between being useless and corrupt.

(01:11:53):
There is a lot of useless people in life that
aren't remotely corrupt. And when you appoint a person that
you can argue, I mean, useless breeds useless, doesn't it
yet a useless prime minister and a useless administration they
tend to appoint useless people. I'll bore you one day
with the story of TV and said, when I was
there under ironically the Clark government, when they appointed the

(01:12:14):
wrong board chair, who appointed the wrong chief executive, who
went and appointed the wrong head of news, who went
and appointed the wrong host for close up as it
was then, it was just dumb people make dumb decisions.
But none of them are necessarily crooks, and there's a
distinct difference. But speaking of which, Steve Price next, This
NARU thing's gone seemingly horrifically wrong. So Australia's playing NARU millions,

(01:12:37):
and many of them two in fact billions. Let's call
it what it is to an R billion to take
the people in Australia they don't want. Now. The problem is,
perhaps not surprisingly, the allegations of corruption inside the government,
the offshore attention regime, the whole thing are flying thick
and fast. And that's before you get to a fascinating
thing I read about the late Graham Richardson yesterday. Away

(01:13:00):
will cover all of this off with our good mate
Steve who's with us from Australia. After the News which
is next here on the my Cosking Breakfast.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Be surely cost A blocking Mitchell from receiving his emails
without lawful purposes of crime? No, no, it is not. No,
it's not even close to being a crime. And what
you've got in a minister's office is, in this particular case,
in the Minister of Police's office, you've got police officers
who work and interface between the minister and the police.

(01:13:42):
So if cost goes to the police within the minister's
office and go hey, all that sort of stuff. You
you were on to it, you leave it to me.
There's not only not any crime, there's probably not only
no red flag because the job the guy for all
intensive purposes looks like he's doing his job. So the
numbernumber of dots that have been drawn this morning has

(01:14:02):
been a fascinating insight into the way some people think.
Twenty three minutes away from.

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Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
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the coalition falling apart?

Speaker 11 (01:14:19):
Well, this is going to be very interesting. The first
of three meetings, yes I said three, will take place
in Canberra today. So what the Liberals, the liberal side
of the coalition have done is called all their MPs
back to Canberra. It's not a sitting week, so they've
all had to and one of them was very cranky yesterday.
Who's an ex serviceman who said he had to leave

(01:14:41):
his friends who family died in war and he had
to go back to Canberra. So they're not very happy
about having to actually go back there. Anyway. The meeting
today will include presentations from this energy spokesman, a blood
called Dan teen. The Federal Director is going to talk
to them, and they'll big contributions from MPs on both sides,
and they're supposed to come out of that meeting today

(01:15:04):
with some sort of plan to either retain the commitment
to net zero or dump it. Now, there'll be a
second meeting that'll take place on Thursday, and this will
be with the Liberal shadow ministers. Now you think that
would be it that they then be able to go, right,
We're going to keep the Paris Agreement and dump net zero.

(01:15:25):
Oh no, They're then going to be a committee of
senior Liberals and Nationals that are going to meet on Sunday.
Now in the middle of all of this, of course,
you got Susan Lee her leaderships on the line. But
the bigger problem, I think is not even her. The
big problem is if the Liberals can't land a position
that the Nationals are happy with it, then the coalition

(01:15:46):
will split. As you might remember, Mike, that happened just
after the election, after that amiliating defeat, and they got
back together very quickly. But this could split the coalition
yet again. So we have to wait and sit through
three meetings makes them look ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
To be honest, yes it does, and from a distance
it looks bizarre. Is it possible if they do split
that once all the anger and frustration and fury settles
in future elections, you get what we have in this
country these coalition type arrangements, whereby you can have sort
of aligned parties that don't agree on everything, but broadly
they coalesce together reasonably. Well is that sort of thing possible?

(01:16:22):
Do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
No?

Speaker 11 (01:16:23):
Because this coalition has been together I can't even remember
how many years, but they have to have the same position,
particularly on this because the Labor Party is just sitting
back and laughing and saying, well, look at this mob.
They got no idea what they want to do about
climate change. That's the simplistic view of Labor, which the
public here is and goes, well, why vote for them?

(01:16:45):
There are a bunch of dinosaurs. They don't even understand
climate change. So it's going to be very interesting to
see what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
ABC caught up on this Trump thing with the not
four corners but the BBC?

Speaker 11 (01:16:57):
Are they ever? Four corners is the right thing? That's
the pro The Senator is called for an investigation. Four
corners d an episode in twenty twenty one, same speech
by Donald Trump, same speech. It was adopted by the
BBC and cost the head of the BBC and they
head to News their jobs. But the ABC says, well, yeah,
we're not going to investigate this because well, our ombardsman's

(01:17:22):
remit only allows our ombudsman to review editor and material
published before June twenty twenty four, twenty twenty two. I'm sorry.
So they're saying, well, no, sorry, it happened before the
ombudsman was in place, and so we can't investigate it.
But when you look at the clip, it's not the
exact removal of the quote from Donald Trump, but it's

(01:17:44):
damn near. It's where Trump says, let's go down and
celebrate our great senators. They cut that out and married
the clip up together, just as the BBC did, And
I think this has.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Got a fair way to go.

Speaker 19 (01:17:59):
I reckon this.

Speaker 11 (01:18:00):
I'd end up with a full blown inquiry into what
the ABC has been up to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Well, if Trump's lawyers find out, might end up in
court the way the BBC looked like heading to quarter
this youth crime. When we talk of a youth crime
crackdown in Victoria or is this like a press conference
or is this an actual crackdown that will materially solve
a problem.

Speaker 11 (01:18:19):
Finally, I think the latter, because to send her out
on the premier and this has been broken today in
the Australia newspaper. She's going to make an announcement today
that if you do adult crime, you do adult time.
It's a copy of the Queensland Laws.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Good.

Speaker 11 (01:18:35):
She's going to promise to force children as young as
fullteen into adult courts, exposed them to longer jail time,
including life sentences. So what will happen if you commit
an adult crime like a carjacking or a home invasion
or holding a machete, and you are charged by Victoria police,
you go straight to the county court. You will no

(01:18:56):
longer be sentenced in the children's court. That's a massive change. Obviously,
the Labor Party and the left of the Labor Party,
which is just sender Ellen, have realized they're go an
election coming up in November next year and the community
are completely filthy about the lack of law and order
and particularly teenage crime. So she's decided to move Now

(01:19:16):
it's a real big backflip for her. She also made
a promise a couple of months ago about banning masks
on people at protests. She's done a backflip on that.
The only time you can be banned from wearing a
mask is if a police officer asks you to take
it off.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Okay. A couple of quick things I require your expertise
on that I'm reading yesterday, This narru thing, the two
and a half billion dollars, the dealal you've done in
the allege now wrought in graft bikey gangs, all the
other nonsense. Does anyone care or not?

Speaker 11 (01:19:44):
It's a long way away and we think of the
Rue as a place where we send illegal migrants. Probably
the nah Ruined government cares. But is it a political
issue in Australia. No one worries about it really, to
be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Okay. The other thing I read yesterday a woman called
Kate McClymont about her many years in dealing with the
late Graham Richardson and the stuff he got up to
allegedly was interesting. Given if you accept her account of
his life and his dealings and doings, how is it

(01:20:16):
that nel bene Easy can offer him a state funeral.

Speaker 11 (01:20:19):
Are you laughing about the incident in the restaurant where
the woman through a kangaroo scrotum full of cash at
his head.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
There's that, but the hookers, the Swiss bank accounts and
all the rest. I mean, the guy was clearly as
crooked as they come. But a political you know, big
where I get all of that. But you know, so
do we pretend that didn't happen and have a state funeral?

Speaker 11 (01:20:46):
Apparently Kate mcclemont wrote that piece, which is one of
the great pieces of journalism I've read in recent years,
and she's probably had that sitting in her top drawer
waiting for Graham to die. I did deal with Graham
on Sky. He was a regular there for something like
twenty three years. I've peted on panels with him. I
interviewed him. The sins all seemed to be forgotten, and

(01:21:10):
Anthony Aberdezi was very quick to jump at the idea
of a state funeral. I think he may now be
looking at that and thinking why did I do it?
I mean, particularly given that Antony Abertzi comes from a
different faction of the labor pard. He comes from the
hard left and rich I was from the hard right,
So he may worry about that. I am pleased to
say that someone who else has got a state funeral

(01:21:31):
will be the great John Laws. That happens, I'll make
sure i'm that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Yeah, good stuff. Good on you, mate, Go well and
we'll catch up with you next week. Appreciate it very
much if you haven't read it. Graham Richardson, who died
the other day, very big player on the Labor Party
over many many years. Kate mclement's account of and obviously
the reason she couldn't write it is because she would
have been bailed up straight to court. But the stories

(01:21:58):
are just eye watering and it starts with the line
I know that you know, but you'll never be able
to prove it, And that was Richardson too. Mcclemon. So
she waited to lee die because you cannot defame a
dead person.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Eight forty five The High Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio, Howard By News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
There be just before we leave Australia. By the way,
Alan Jones Winger Broadcasting, you mentioned John Laws. With Allan
Jones his hearing, He's going to include more than one
hundred witnesses. It's going to begin next to August. It's
going to last up to four months. The prosecution denied
or deprived according to the defense, a jury trial which

(01:22:42):
they wanted, twenty seven sexual offense charges, nine complainants. It's
been going for a year since he first got pinged
and they're not even in court. So the pace of
justice does not move smoothly or quickly in Australia. The
other thing that's interesting I read yesterday Keating made some
interesting comments. They're doing a fifty sort of anniversary thing
the Old Parliament House, the Museum of Australian Democracy at

(01:23:04):
the Old Parliament House in Camber. They're making a documentary
about the Curse scenario and Whitland the sacking of constitutional
crisis of the highest order that racked Australia some fifty
years ago. Keating said he would have put Sir John
Kerr under police arrest. He'd been appointed, by the way
the Minister of the Northern Australia just a fortnight before

(01:23:25):
the events. This is November eleven, nineteen seventy five. GoF Whitlandham.
In the hours after Curse sacked, the Prime Minister appointed
Malcolm Fraser. If he refused to go kurse should have
been locked up by the local police. The events of
that day, says Keating, were a coup led by one man.
As a mister Kerr, we're interviewing Turnbull on Friday. Happens
Turnbull's coming to the country and we thought we'd get

(01:23:47):
him on speaking of former Australian Prime minists, I might
ask him about that to see how I'm feeling at
the time. Ten away from nine.

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He's got a hund and forty nine billion of it,

(01:25:01):
passing it on to their charities and their fundraising initiatives.
He's going to keep some back. The Shehar's some back
until they The new guy's taking over as a guy
called Abel. He's sixty three, warrens ninety five. So this
new guy able if you're a bit dodgy on him,
I'm going to keep some shares aside just so you'll
feel confident. But the kids already, he says, feel confident,
so therefore you should too. But anyway, the important party

(01:25:23):
gave a very rare health update, because at ninety five
and still going to the office five days a week's incredible.
To my surprise, I generally feel good. Though I move
slowly and read with increasing difficulty. I am at the
office five days a week where I work with wonderful people.
I was late and becoming old, but once it appears,
it is not to be denied. It's nicely good, isn't it.

(01:25:44):
And he drinks the Coca cola? Is there something in that?
Because Trump drinks the Coca cola and he's not doing
bad for a seventy eight year old. Maybe it's the
coca cola. Maybe I should take up some Coca cola.
Five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
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Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Right are the biopic or biopic of Michael Jackson first
trailer route and a lot of people watching the trailer,
probably so many that don't even need to watch the biopic,
so it's broken recle for the most views in the
first twenty four hours of a biopic or biopic one
hundred and sixteen point two million people. And now you're one.

Speaker 20 (01:26:23):
I know you've been waiting a long time for this.
The tracks are made, the songs are ready. Let's take
it from the top. This is your story. I know

(01:26:43):
your past.

Speaker 14 (01:26:44):
So you want to be star.

Speaker 9 (01:26:46):
And embrace the future.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
That's what people want.

Speaker 16 (01:26:58):
Que can you lie the it from you please?

Speaker 9 (01:27:01):
Okay?

Speaker 20 (01:27:01):
But remember in here keep those feets still my man.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Previous record hold it was Taylor Swift The Ears to
It had ninety six million. Bob Marley's One Love had
sixty million. Michael Jackson's real life nephew, Jappar is playing Michael,
and the most of you trailer ever in the first
twenty four hours is Dead Paul V. Wolverine three hundred
and sixty five million, which is extraordinary. Speak you wish.
Hugh Jackman is on the program in a couple of

(01:27:33):
weeks time. He's got a new movie out, Thunder and
Lightning Song Sung Blue, I Won't If you read the story,
He's with Kate Hudson. So Hugh Jackman and Kate Hudson
are on the program if you read. And it's based
on a documentary which is based on a real life story,
and we.

Speaker 10 (01:27:53):
Played the trailer for it in this very segment a
little while ago.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Correct, is that all the fun facts you've got Glynn. Okay,
if you read the story, the real life story of
what happened to these two people, and you pitched it
as a movie, people would laugh you out of the
room because it's it's ridiculous, but it actually happened. If
Hughes made the movie, So Hugh and Kate Hudson will
listen a couple of weeks time. Meantime, we're back tomorrow

(01:28:18):
morning from six as always Heavy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
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