Full Show Podcast: 16 July 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The newsmakers and the personalities, the big names talk to
Mike the Mike Hosking breakfast with Defender Trophy, epic Adventure,
Greater Purpose youth talk said be.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Well, you're welcome today the bird flu and whether it
means anything for most of us. We have new Trade
Talks to tell you about today and New Zealand on
time performance numbers around Roger two of Varsus Shekers and
for chat after like Joe mckennison Rome and A Brady
does Great Britain just in time for the final whistle
for England later on this morning, pasking welcome to the day,
seven past six Beltway beat up of the week goes

(00:31):
to the seemingly ongoing fascination over the missing paperwork in
the Prime Minister's office when it came to a meeting
between z Energy and their concerns over Mike Smith's court
case involving polluters and climate cost. Mike Smith called conspiracy
and you don't, sadly need to do a lot more
than that in this country. The get half the media
fizzing over a scandal for the ages. The bit if
you've forgotten that made it look troublesome was twofold. One,

(00:53):
the Prime Minister's office didn't have said paperwork, hence it
looked shady. And two the government changed or is going
through the process of changing the law in a way
that surprise surprise suits Z Energy now accepting lost paperwork
is not a good look in The Prime Minister freely
admitted it weeks ago. We finally hear this week from
a bloke called Lindas Jones, who runs Z Energy. He

(01:14):
produces the document they gave to the government. Here's the
critical point. There's nothing in it. Nothing they haven't said
publicly already. In other words, they were alarmed that blokes
like Smith can fill court time with fishing expeditions, and
that singling out companies like Z or Fonterra is dangerous
and ruinous to business and reputations. Now they say that,
funnily enough, because it's true, and that is why, funnily enough,

(01:38):
the government acted to change the law. The government said, correctly,
the government is the ultimate court, and when it comes
to climate policy, the Parliament is the place decisions are made.
Now they said that, not because Zed thinks that, or
Fonterra thinks that, or you and I think that, but
because it's true and it's right, and they would have
done it anyway. There is no skull duggery. There is

(01:59):
no claimed their steineback room nonsense. No one met in
a dark alleyway, No government drag was dragged into making
decisions they would not have already made. All that happened
was a piece of paper got way late, and Mike
Smith stirred up a very gullible media looking for a
bit of pis and a bit of clickbait. What's required
of the media, if they're remotely interested in repairing their
battered reputations, is the ability to see real news, the

(02:22):
ability to differentiate between a story and bs, and to
not be so keen to see things that aren't there.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Motions when running higher, and I and the Commons as
starmer bows.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Out to all those in the gallery whose lives have
been changed or improved by this labor government, and all
across the country to struggle to be seen or heard.
The all the reason I came into politics.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Momentarily, all political hostility was put aside.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
I know how much the Prime Minister has come to enjoy.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Our exchanges.

Speaker 5 (02:59):
In the In the King Speech, last month he told
me that on difficult days, my input was always a
ray of sunshine.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
While we're in the British political realm, Farajan reform of
dreamed up a new security plan for all the MP's
after get another death rit.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
Mister Fras says this is the first time the police
have ever proactively acted on a social media post. I
hope they're looking at the other three or four hundred,
he said, similar posts from this year alone.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Trump's lack of control of the wars on full display
again this morning. All he's got left now with threats.

Speaker 7 (03:34):
We're going to hit him very hard to nay, We're
going to hit him very hard tomorrow night, We're going
to hit him very hard the night after, and then
next week it gets really bad for them because next
week comes the power plants, next week comes the bridges.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
He's also again got ice trouble, as point man Homeans
trying to hose it all down.

Speaker 8 (03:53):
I think what they're doing is taking a pause and
make sure that number one, the ice officers have everything
you need to stay because vehicle attacks up thirty four
hundred percent, and they're going to make sure is a
training sufficient. Did anything go wrong? We're going to let
the investigation play out.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
As regards the football semi final number two this morning,
it's not all about Messi, it's about the team.

Speaker 9 (04:14):
Pe've got Messi, we've got pelling them, We've got Caine,
We've got Dan Byrne.

Speaker 10 (04:17):
We're going to do it.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
We're going to get to the final.

Speaker 10 (04:19):
We're going to win.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
I just think we've got a better team in Arpsentem.

Speaker 7 (04:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Finally, sixty three year old woman's admitted to Edie in Boston. Right.
She's got severe stomach paint. She got this large mess
in her stomach. It was trapping here. They think it's
GLP one related. Anyway, they prescribe one and a half
liters of diet coca day. Now. They would normally prescribe
three beaus, of course, but she already had diabetes because
this is America after all. Anyway, given coke breaks down
pretty much anything it works. They're worry about the fact

(04:45):
she's got no insights left another day, it's news for
the Wild bur News or the Wild and Bary Night
Season ninety. Now, Yes, I'm a weird business. The end
of my political journey, he said, This is the end
of my political journey, which must have been a stark
realization for him. It's proud of everything he achieved, which
isn't a because he hasn't been there long. The whole
thing lasted fifty minutes. Everyone gave him a standing ovation,
which is one of those weird things, doesn't I mean?

(05:05):
I mean if he was Winston Churchill, sure, but he's not.
And I read with alarm the other day. In fact,
I read it with alarm. Yesterday he was given the
Legion of Honor by the French for what literally turned
up last Wednesday, twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
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Speaker 2 (05:30):
On his way out, Starmer has introduced them this is
how the slippery slope works. So they look to try
and ban the under sixteenth on social media. It's been
an abject failure in Australia, so now they're looking at
older teenagers who will have an overnight media curfew. So
you're auto playing an infinite scroll that gets disabled somehow,
although you can opt out so you can see where
this is going, which is nowhere. Fast fifteen past six

(05:53):
Sure and partners Andrew Calla had good morning. So the
card transactions. Where are we at with those? Clearly he's gone,
so we'll come back to that in just a couple
of moments. A couple of things as far as the
market's concerned at the moment. The oil you'll notice this
morning it's not too bad. It's about mid eighties. But
he'll give us those numbers. Johnson and Johnson overnight came

(06:16):
in with an interesting result and the banks once again,
Morgan Stanley's making money like there is no tomorrow. Now
we got you, Andrew or not? I'm here, Mike, Oh good, Sorry,
obviously some sort of layer. I think we should probably
reboot the machine or have some maintenance or has somebody
actually do their job. But anyway, card transactions, where are
we at?

Speaker 10 (06:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (06:35):
So electronic card spending data? It was released yesday for
the month of June. This is the official spending data
which comes from Satstutel. Now, now we've had we've commented
on spending data from a couple of the banks that
start just data from their internal networks, and it was
notable that the actual spending that we saw wasn't exactly
shooting the lights out, but the annual numbers they were

(06:56):
so much showing sort of some growth. Now, as I've
poisted out a number of time, we've got a lift
in sentiment, we've got a lift in positivity. We can
see it in the recent business surveys, but actual activity
hasn't noticeably lifted just yet. Now, the electronictronic card transactions
are the Yes, they sort of support that theory. Electronic
card spending fell in June, and it fell across a

(07:18):
broad range of sectors. So that's reversus a game that
we saw in May. Now, there was evidence of reduced
spending on fuel, but we didn't see that spending redirected
into other categories. So discretionary spending just didn't get a
lift from lower fuel price. If I look at the numbers,
electronic card transaction spending fell one point four percent, spending

(07:40):
in core retail interestries feil one point five percent, and
the total value of card spending fell one point two percent.

Speaker 12 (07:46):
So let's just widen it out though.

Speaker 11 (07:48):
Let's take out the month and month volatility and look
at the June quarter. If I do that, retail spending
was up zero point four percent, but core retail spending
fell zero point one percent. Draw down into the categories
we did see a lift, and I think we've talked
about this. Durables did lift zero point nine percent, but
hospitality motor vehicles excluding fuel and.

Speaker 10 (08:09):
Power, they all fell.

Speaker 11 (08:10):
If I look at the broader trend to take it
out even wider, Ike, it's flatlining. So we need to
see that improved sentiment feeding into sort of actual activity
because we can't ignore that there are sort of potential headwinds.
There are risks at the moment to that happening. This
re escalation in the Middle East tensions, This isn't good.
Higher rule prices, you know, that could lead to either

(08:32):
no further relief in fuel prices at the pump for
a little while, or worse than that, they could go
back up and mortgage rates creeping up on the back
of higher interest rates.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Well, so, Mike, I.

Speaker 11 (08:42):
Think we're kind of delicately poised at the moment. We
sort of need a couple of things to sort of
go go our way. We need those fuel prices to
come down, but we're delicately poised.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, I think that's a very good way of putting it in.
What traditionally we've relied upon is the feeling that our
house price is going up, therefore we feel richer. Therefore
we borrow more money to build the deck and go
to Fiji on holiday. And that's not happening either.

Speaker 11 (09:02):
No, you want me to be incredibly blunt. Yeah, don't
look for the housing market to kick start the economy.
It's not going to happen in the short term. The
real estate and studentow Zealand they released June data yesterday.
House price indics fell and seasily adjusted fell zero point
three percent month a month a year on year. It's
down zero point eight percent, So the housing market is
basically going nowhere from a price point of view. Sales

(09:26):
volumes fell as well nationally circus sort of one percent,
with more substantial falls than sales in Auckland and Wellington.
Look at regionally, Augtland sales actually fell five point six percent.

Speaker 12 (09:35):
There was quite a lot.

Speaker 11 (09:37):
If I look at the house price indext we've got
this sort of bifurcation that we've been seeing for a
long time. Auckland fell three percent year on year. That's
the house price in next Wellington four and a half percent.
No surprise though, Canterbury up four point one percent.

Speaker 12 (09:52):
Now, we sort of had thought.

Speaker 11 (09:54):
That maybe we'd get a little bit of a lift
in migration, and that's traditionally sort of helped the housing market.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Plast Migra sation numbers.

Speaker 11 (10:00):
Earlier this week suggest that maybe it's not going to
be quite as strong as we had sort of suggested.
As I said, mortgage rates probably won't help, but just
to kind of over it, to sort of really emphasize
some of these risks from the housing market point. If
you've got the election uncertainty as well, and people tend
to go into the shelves a little bit.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
So look, Mike Jesus deflating me.

Speaker 11 (10:22):
Look, well, let me let me finish, because you know
I was trying to finish. Things are generally getting better,
but we're just not quite out of the woods yet.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Court Fortunately, the war's going well, so what are the numbers?

Speaker 11 (10:33):
Well, unfortunately the markets are sort of ignoring the war
at the moment. The Dow Jones is actually up one
hundred and forty one points, which is just over quarter
percent fifty two thousand, six hundred and forty nine. The
S and P five hundred is up a third of
a percent twenty five points seventy five six eight, and
the Nasdaq is up one hundred and fifty two points
zero point five percent twenty.

Speaker 10 (10:53):
Six thousand, two hundred and sixty one.

Speaker 11 (10:55):
Small fall in the forty one hundred overnight thirteen points
ten thy, five hundred and fifteen. The NICK gave us
up one and a half per cent sixty eight thousand,
seven hundred and fifty one. In China, the Shanghai composite
fell point two nine percent three nine five five.

Speaker 12 (11:09):
The Aussie's gained point three seven y say eight eight
four to one.

Speaker 11 (11:12):
We had a very small fall on the insects fifty
sixteen points thirteen thousand, six hundred and thirty five. What
is going up, Mike is the New Zealand dollar point
five to eighty five seven against the US. That's the
result of the higher interest rates point eight three four
nine against the ossie point five one oh five Euro
point four three two three pounds, ninety four point eight
eight Japanese end gold four thousand and sixty three dollars

(11:33):
Brent crude eighty four dollars and thirty three cents.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Catch up tomorrow Man Suring Partners Andrew kellaher with it
Aski afore mentioned Jay and J second quarter sales and profit.
They've got a couple of cool drugs at the moment.
One's on the immunology and the other's cancer. So anyway,
they're They're sales at twenty five and a half billion
dollars for the quarter. We are up six point six percent,
So they're happy and the banks are going to be
the story of the week, or have been the story
of the week. Morgan Stanley record revenue, record profit, sixty

(11:58):
nine percent surge in equities yes for the quarter and
income of twenty one point three five billion dollars. Good
to be in banking six twenty one and a half
heard newstalks, EDB.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
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Speaker 2 (12:19):
A couple of things, China four point three on GDP
for the second quarter. No one was impressed in that
that's the worst in several years. Lucid who make well
for now anyway, evs they've never really taken off Lucid anyway.
They volatility halted, trading multiple times, shares are in the toilet.
The rumor is there looking at chapter eleven or possibly
going private. They deny all that, So that's something you

(12:40):
might want to follow and meta the whole bunch of
people in Meta, current and former employees who are suing
them because they don't like the idea that AI made
the decision to lay them off. So they found a
judge or a court in California to have a go
at that work day has already been in court over
a similar thing, So the Northern District Court of California
there are ten percent of META workforce which has been

(13:02):
laid off, not only laid off, but laid off by
a thing that's not a human six twenty five.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Trending now with chemist Wells keeping Kiwi's healthy all year round.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
The noise around the latterest from Tom Cruise. It's called Digger.
He's been working on it apparently for seven years. It's
either I watched it yesterday. It's either genius or it's
going to die on day one. He's almost unrecognizable. He's
wearing a fat suit. He plays Digger Rockwell, who is
the richest man of the world. He's going to try
and fix drilling a drilling expedition right in the South Pole,
and that's apparently going to cause nuclear war.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Mister Rockwell, my name is Sandy Clark. Say yes, Sandy, Hey, man, buddy,
you're the man with five foot crap.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Now glacier over there in Greenland, it shifts five feet,
Mister Dick is a tenth of that, sat What do
you want me to shut down a billion dollar platform
over something it's ten times the size of my deck.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
I don't believe you understand what's happening to, sir?

Speaker 2 (13:52):
What did you just see?

Speaker 13 (13:54):
Sorry, sir, well, I know perfectly well what's going on
here because I'm paying for the whole.

Speaker 12 (13:57):
Thing, mister President, utterly unprotected against the disaster of this magnitude.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
What's our worst case scenario? Eighteen trillion dollars?

Speaker 14 (14:06):
Sir?

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Is he okay?

Speaker 15 (14:09):
This rosident?

Speaker 1 (14:10):
This president? When all else fails, you ed with the truth, you.

Speaker 15 (14:16):
Know, the hard truth.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Just bag bag bang?

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Whoa it looks I think awesome. Anyway, cruise is there,
John Goodman's and it Jesse Plemmons, who's in the country
at the moment, by the way, filming I think minecraft
with his wife kissed and duncet. The only reason I
know that is that Sons works in hospital. He comes
into a cafe the other day, and Plemons turns out

(14:39):
to be the nicest guy in the world. Shakes his hand,
cannot be kind, more likable, et cetera, et cetera, which
is always nice to hear. A bit of Oscar buzz
around the before mentioned movies. It's in theaters on October
the first. Got some potentially good well more good trade
news for you and just a couple of moments another
big meeting here, tell you about it after the news which.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Is mixed noisy world here yourself. Think it's the Mic
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Speaker 2 (15:09):
He'd been interesting development taber nights in Italy. Mloney was
trying to do some electoral reform, she argues to make
a more stable government. She lost, which is problem number one,
but the way she lost is problem number two. Some
of her own MP's voted against her, so she's ropeable
and the government's in an element of trouble. So Joe

(15:30):
mckennall with the update on that for her shortly meantime
in twenty three minutes away from seven hot off the
back of India. More trade talks underway this week with
the Fit the Fit Partnership bringing together ten ministers one
hundred delegates twenty one country. So what is fit? Anna
as a Vedo as the executive director or executive officer
of the Latin American New Zealand Business Council, and is
with us. Very good morning to you, good money, how

(15:52):
are you very well? Indeed? Thank you? So the future
of investment and trade partnership is what FIT is? Is
this a thing that's going anywhere? Is this just a chatfest?

Speaker 4 (16:02):
What do they mean?

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Well? Is it going anywhere? Is it going to turn
up as something tangible like an ft A?

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Oh, it's a puss music. It's a non binding conversation negotiation.
It's not meant to be like a form of FDA.
What is what is a binding agreement? So this is
the differences that's met in space. It's a small miding size.

Speaker 8 (16:29):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
Trading economy is getting together aligned together in a maybe
unstable world.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
When you think of the politics, what what's the commonality
of the countries involved? Is it just the size or
are there other strains in there as well?

Speaker 4 (16:47):
So, how it's more than the size. We have to
think about shared the values, about common goals.

Speaker 14 (16:54):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
So it's seventeen countries and I have to say that
I'm some more involved with there's the election of America
part of incident. There's the whole twenty party that maintain trade.
But yeah, there is always more than just the size
of the countries.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Is it about generally free trade?

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Look, it's part of it. But again you need more
than just a fleet radio. And I think there's all
the countries that year develop even like their free traders,
something more formal like spy creepy peas. You are also
looking for this other points or the other commonalities. So
because it's a lot of negotiations, conversations, fears of establishing

(17:42):
common goals, so you don't go just for the size
of the countries to use the.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Well the type something good comes out of a good
luck with not to talk to you and as Avid
out of the Latin American m Zealand Business Council, I
apologize for the line. I hope you can hear at
least the gist of it that broadly speaking, it's a
lot of small or medium sized country sort of joining
together to do something productive. Elbow I previewed this yesterday.
They made such a big deal of it in Australia

(18:11):
and it's sort of got the full coverage when he
came out. This is Albanezi's speech on AI what essentially
came at so no one knew whether it was going
to be. Here's my broad view of what's going to
happen versus here's a piece of law that I'm going
to enact. It was the former, not the latter, essentially
when it comes to AI, because you got massive pushback
in Australia at the moment over data centers. So data

(18:31):
centers has I also explained a couple of weeks ago
on the program were a thing until they weren't a thing.
So in other words, we thought all fantastic data center's,
lots of jobs and all that sort of buzz, but
then they worked out that they've got a dreadful hum
there aren't actually that many jobs, and they use a
tremendous amount of water. One of the stats yesterday out
of New South Wales alone. Funnily enough, remember the bloke
we had on last week. He was busy telling us
about data centers that used no water and stuff. I

(18:53):
don't know what he was talking about, because what I
was getting yesterday in terms of stats, currently, data centers
in New South Wales used one percent of the water
one in ten years, they'll use twenty five cordible. The
water's going to data sent decided. I don't know what
the hell he was on about with no water anyway,
point being, he opened yesterday in his speech an office,
the office of AI, and the Office of AI is

(19:15):
within the office of Albanisi, so it's prime Mister's office
opening office with an office. So I don't know what
happens there apart from nothing.

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(20:35):
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The answer I thought was fourteen years. Turns out I'm wrong.
It's nineteen and we're way longer than most other countries
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fun fact, is that potentially has fuel problems into the future.
So more shortly six forty.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Five international correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of
mind for New Zealand business to Italy.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
We go Joe McKenna. Very good morning to you. You
with us, Joe, something going wrong with our phone system
this morning, literally nothing works. Anyway, we'll come back to her.
So what happened was the coalition government lost this vote

(21:31):
one hundred and eighty eight to one hundred and eighty seven.
It was a secret ballot in the Lower House. They
argue what they want is more stability and more consistency
and coalitions, and of course Italy has been a They
run an MP system very similar to us, and historically speaking,
it's been shambolic. That's why they have so many prime
minister to so many governments. So she was looking to
try and change that and unfortunately she failed. And the

(21:55):
important thing in failing that is that some of her
own MPs didn't vote for us, So that's increased the
amount of tension within the coalition. And I don't know
what she's going to do about it. So let's say, Joe,
you're with us, I am, I'm back, mind, I apologize,
do not apologize. We carry on. So I'm just explaining
a little bit of the background on this vote eight

(22:16):
one eighty seven. I take it it was a shock.
What went wrong?

Speaker 16 (22:21):
Yeah, exactly. I think it's a big shock for the
Prime Minister because she lost by one vote. Obviously this
was a secret ballot, and some of her own coalition
members have voted against this bill. What's behind it? I'd
say it's self interest that they didn't like these reforms,
many of these MPs because they felt that it was
going to give too much power at the center of

(22:43):
the party, that the leadership of the party, and that
that could affect ultimately affect their candidature. So members of
Fort Stelia and the League, I imagine, have voted against
this and we don't know who they are, but it's
causing a bit of a ruction given.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
She doesn't know, but some of them will be her
own imps. What if anything can she do about it
and what's it say for the future of the government.

Speaker 16 (23:07):
Well, she says she wants to push through with these reforms.
The opposition sees this is a major setback and they're
calling for her resignation. They wants snap elections. Don't think
that's going to happen. I don't know how she's going
to get this through, and if anything, it's sort of
undermining her power at a point like this, where we've
seen that already with see judicial reforms that were rejected

(23:28):
by the electorate. So this is something she really doesn't
need right now.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Would it be broadly seen as popular among the people,
I mean, as something that people wanted or not.

Speaker 16 (23:37):
No, I think it's widely seen as a powergrad because
she wanted to push this through, change the system with
more proportional representation, and also gives the winning coalition whoever
wins the election, bonus seats and extra could ultimately mean
an extra seventy seats for whoever wins that election. And
people didn't really like that. They're very suspicious of it.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
So the bridge clap, well, I'm given it was eight
years ago. Remind us of it? And why has it
taken so long for the court to get to where
we're getting to today?

Speaker 16 (24:10):
Incredible? I think we talked about this when it first happened, Mike.
It was shocking. The General bridge collapsed the Mirandi Bridge
in August twenty eighteen. Forty three people died. Cars were
just literally falling off the bridge in heavy rainfall. And
what's been even more shocking is the fact that it's
taken this long to get these people to trial. The

(24:33):
company that manages the highway system has been highly criticized
because it didn't apologize to the families. And now we're
going to see perhaps some jail sentences announced tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Okay, where you get. Weather wise, by the way.

Speaker 16 (24:48):
Weatherwise, things are still pretty tough. Thirty five, thirty six,
thirty seven in Rome, major heat waves still across the
country above forty five degrees in Sardinia. So we haven't
seen the fires that they've had in France or Spain,
but still a pretty serious situation.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
I was asking Catherine the other day in France whether
how abnormal is this, because I mean, we were running
the stories every year. Now you get to June, you
get to July, Oh my god, it's hot. Is it
abnormally hot or is this the new normal?

Speaker 13 (25:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (25:20):
I think it is abnormally hot and we've seen these
heat waves. Is that I think the third one we've had.
They've started in May. We're still getting day after day
of this extreme weather, and I think everyone agrees that
this is really very unusual this year.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
All right, nice to talk to you. Go well, Joe
McKenna and Italy. By the way, the delivery drivers are
going on striking several Italian cities because they want better
working conditions. I don't know how you get a better
working condition if you're a delivery driver on a bike
and you're striking because of the heat. I mean, they're
not going to make the heat go away, and paying
you more doesn't make you any less hot. But there
you go. Other fun thing I read this morning the
you know, the medicis who ran well chunks of Italy

(25:56):
for several hundred years, from the fourteen hundreds of the
seventeen hundreds. A couple of them died, the Grand Duke,
who was Francesco and his wife Bianca. They died with
the nails of each other. This is fifteen eighty seven.
And at the time they thought, oh, it's probably malaria,
because they'd been looking a bit peaky for a few days.
But then everyone said, I don't know, it's malaria. I
think it's probably an assassination, and they blamed Francisco's younger brother, Fernando,

(26:21):
But they exhumed the bodies twenty years ago, and that
exhumation and analysis of the skeletal remains has produced the
news this morning that it was malaria. So forget your
conspiracy theories. It's just good old malaria. Nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
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Speaker 2 (26:45):
Be he the other interesting thing that's going on in
Europe at the moment. Hungary they knew, they said it
was going to happen anyway. They're trying to book the
president out. The president was a mate of Auburn. Auburn
lost the election. This guy Madgiz turned up with his
teaser party. They've got the two thirds, so they steamrolled
the other day the seventeenth Amendment to the Constitution. So
that's the most dramatic day in Parliament since the new

(27:07):
government took office. Presidents got five days to sign the
amendment to the Constitution or refew for it to the
Constitutional Court. If he refers it to the court, the
PM says he's going to launch an impeachment proceeding against him.
Which would suspend him from office automatically. So he's trying
to bowl him out of office. So the twenty eleven constitution,
which Aubarn also jerry manded, has been reversed. In other words,

(27:30):
so the Prime minister's trying to ousk the president. So
watch this and see where it goes out of the
next couple of days. Five minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
The in and the outs. It's the fears with business
favor take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
I mean that was in Hungary. That's in Hungary. That's
where that was going. That's where Auburn was running the place.
April to June, we've had the pay read apparently it's
paid review season. Is anyone saying that I've not noticed
that April the journamists that completely Anyway, this year pay
rises on the back burner, more people move jobs. This
is data from live ram, which is a New Zealand
pay intelligence platform that I've never heard of that I

(28:06):
have now. So it connects companies pay rolls. So what
they've found is most businesses still continually hiring. There's a
lot of internal movement pays going nowhere though April or
June about nine percent of employees moved roles within the company.
Now that apparently is unusually high. Hiring grew it just
under three percent. Now that doesn't you're not seeing that

(28:27):
in the broader statistics. Hey, when we talk about the
unemployment rate, we're not talking about the amount of hiring.
Hirings at three percent, which is in line apparently with
previous quarters. So that's all good. Average pay dropped two percent. Well,
hold on, how does that work? What's happening? As people
aren't taking pay cuts per se, but the experience people leave.

(28:47):
So when Bob leaves and Bob's been there for fifteen years,
they go and hire Sandy. Now Sandy's just out of
aut Sandy doesn't have a clue what's going on, but
they can pay a less. That's how it works. Did well,
do you want to get a pay rise? Yes?

Speaker 8 (29:01):
They did.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Engineers the biggest games of two point four percent, salespeople,
biggest full of four point one. Hamilton gangbusters, strongest employment
growth for the first six months of the year. Four
percent employment growth in Hamilton. Tamerhie seems nice to me.
As looking a couple of houses in Tamahie the other day,
I thought if any of um moved to Hamilton underve
In Tamahiri is have a good idea or not? Canterbury
three point eight. For that's a boring story, now, isn't it.

(29:22):
We over Canterbury. Canterbury has become so successful that we
don't like Canterbury anymore. A little insight in the human nature.
We love Canpabiso. We didn't like Canterbury because they've became
too damned successful. Cit the Ranfilly Shields story all those
years ago with Canterbury and Aukland. Remember when you won
so many times. They're just winners who we hate winners.
The bird Floor were worried. I'm not personally, but Andrew

(29:45):
Hoggards in charge, will get the update on that for you.
Just a couple of moments away.

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Speaker 2 (30:06):
Be seven past seven, So of bird flu's arrived. We
got the H five strain detected in a seabird Patni Beach.
No evidence had spread this point to poultry or beyond.
Andrew Hoggart as the Minister of Biosecurity and in charge
of it all these with us. Morning, Good morning, Wake.
So I've been watching this over the last couple of
weeks in Australia. The dead bird turns up in Wa.
I'm thinking this will move west to eastern sure enough
eventually to us, that's how it's happened. Have we been

(30:27):
able to do anything or is this just a fhato complet.

Speaker 14 (30:31):
Earth pato compley. We've been saying for a while this
is a when not f story. You know, we can't
do anything to stop migratory birds showing up on our
shorelines and every wherever. The last sort of country in
the world to get this disease, and now we've got it.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
So what do we do now? Nothing?

Speaker 14 (30:47):
Where we keep monitoring. We've been doing a hell of
a lot of preparation work with the poultry sector to
make sure that they are able to keep their flocks
secure as it were, and prevent the disease from getting
in to their barns. There's been study tours over to
the States and other places I'm sorry, the UK and
other places understanding how their farmers over there live with it,

(31:09):
and so guys have had, you know, some good preparation
and time to get systems in place to make sure
they're prepared.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Glad to hear that, because that's exactly what the Australian said.
In other words, there is no excuse for this going
pear shaped. We are doing all we humanly can.

Speaker 14 (31:26):
Yep, pretty much, and we will be. You know. The
key thing is people keep reporting in if they see
dead birds on the shoreline, helps us build a picture
of where it is, and particularly if it starts moving
into our domestic wildlife, then we're able to sort of
track where it is and make sure that those poultry

(31:48):
farmers are as prepared as they possibly can.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
But pop pultry aside, Is there anything we're going to
do if it reaches the hints land and some of
the native species and all that sort of stuff. Are
we worried about that? Is there anything we can do about?
Is it here forever?

Speaker 14 (32:03):
Look, it's likely here forever or until diseas dies out
of its own accurt but I don't know if that
will happen. The doc have been vaccinating some critical breeding
populations and making sure that they're safe and secure. So
if it was to hit some of those breeding populations,
then they're pretty well safe.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
I've already got the conspiratorial text this morning telling me
to wake up. It's a pandemic. Wake up, as they say. So,
do I need to wake up Andrew or not?

Speaker 16 (32:35):
No?

Speaker 14 (32:35):
More people need to spend time off Facebook. Quite frankly, no,
we don't want to control you. There will be no
pandem podium of trophy, there won't be QR codes, there
won't be mandatory lockdowns. Keep calm and carry on.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Basically, good on it. Nice to talk by our security
minister Andrew Hoggard. It's coming up ten minutes past seven
paskting Latest Drugs in the Workplace report. This is always fun,
isn't It shows cocaines on the rise. Positive tests through
up sixty eight percent year on year. Canterbury is up
three hundred and seventy five percent. So there'll be something
weird about that. Am fettermine type substances thirty two percent
of all those positive tests. Glen dubs and drug detections

(33:08):
and agency bosses back with u's Glenn, morning to you.

Speaker 17 (33:11):
Yeah, good body, Mike.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
So what do these stats tell us? The amount of
drugs or the type of drugs.

Speaker 17 (33:15):
Now, Look, I guess if there's a silver line in
this is that the actual overall detection slightly down good,
so we're seeing slightly stroke, So willtech there's a positive,
will tech there's a win, which is really good. But
that the headliners that the trend has been continuing for
a while, and that's certainly that cocaine positive rates are up,
as you say, just over sixty eight.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Percent, but having been swapped out from something else. So
in other words, I'm still taking the drugs and just
taking a different drug. Is that what's happening?

Speaker 17 (33:41):
Yeah, potentially. Potentially. One thing where we know is that cocaine,
cocaine and a global scale is up massively. Our Australian
stats show the same picture. And I was in the
States a couple of months ago and they're talking that
their cocaine rates are up hugely as well.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Okay, so the Canterbury three hundred and seventy five percent,
what happened there? That that's an outlier surely.

Speaker 17 (34:02):
Yeah, what we're saying is that there's a real large
spread regionally, and that's one of the really important parts
of gain this information out to the regions, so the
employers in different regions can see what their risks are
and what we're seeing in different regions across the country.
Catago down the South Island there they had a huge increase.
But it also shows potentially that the suppliers fluid, the

(34:23):
supplies moving around the country more than what we've seen.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
In the past. And this is this is data from
companies that you get called into to do tests. Is
that right?

Speaker 17 (34:34):
Yeah, so this is workplace drug testing stats. We go
out there and do the drug testing in the workplaces.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
These must be the same sort of people, I mean,
there must be. I mean I've never been drug testing
in my life and I don't work in an industry
that does do drug testing. So this is forestry and
all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 17 (34:48):
Yes, well, maybe we need to have a chat with
the media and see if we can help out with
that as well.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
I mean, yeah, some of the some of the people
in the media, you you'd be you'd be rocked by
what you'd find anyway, as a well, is this a
specific industry, I mean, you know the types of industries.

Speaker 17 (35:04):
It's it's specific in that we use codes generation industries
that we test for. But Traditionally, workplace drug testing is
for what we call safety sense of industries, often blue collar,
but white collar is testing a lot more as well.
So it is a good subset of all industries across
the country.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
How much of its Monday morning pick up from weekend
activity versus the bloke who's under the influence or the
person under the influence during the.

Speaker 17 (35:28):
Week, it's fairly well spread across the board. You know,
you do sometimes have your peaks. We see peaks come
up to Christmas season, so there are some seasonal peaks
and coming into summer and so on. But from a
Monday to Friday perspective, it's pretty much across the board.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Okay, good to talk to you, as always, appreciate it
very much. Glenn Dobson, who's into the business of drug detection,
drug detection and an agency. I'm reading about the lovemasol
this morning. This has increasingly been taking the old lovemasol
into that into a bit of lovemasol. So that was
developed in the mid six as an anti worming agent,
because why wouldn't you want to take a bit of

(36:06):
that ban for human use decades ago by the FDA
in America because of its serious side effects, but nah,
good old New Zealand like a bit of obamasole hey
and go to work. Then you can complain about the
cost of living because you haven't got any money left,
have you. Thirteen passed, sixteen past seven. I'm suspecting the
first half of the football is going to go for
another eighteen minutes, so it'll be forty five minutes plus

(36:27):
eighteen because most of it's been spent rolling around on
the ground, crying at the moment and pulling each other's
legs and hair and all the baby ish things that
go on. Unfortunately at the top level of football. Glenn
was telling me yesterday's game was exactly the same apparently,
so hopefully they improve matters as the morning goes on.
Sixteen pass now another one of these. The government wants
labour's helps and it obviously it's nil all when you're

(36:48):
rolling around on the ground, you don't score much. The
government wants another way, the labour's help. So it started
with the India FTA, currently happening with the social media
ban and now the call has gone out on this
council rates cap and that's want labor to take some
sort of standover. The Simon Watson is the Minister for
Local Government and is with us. Very good morning, Very
good morning, Mike. Now, is this the numbers thing? If
you got problems in New Zealand first an act or not.

Speaker 18 (37:10):
No, we don't, but we want to make sure that
when we put in policy in this country that it's
enduring and we don't have a flip flop of you know,
the next guys and ten years time pulling it out.
And you know, people want certainty. Business wants certainty, households
want certainty. And the problem with labor there is is
that you know, December they said they're not keen on it, no,
and then Hipkins says last week, well we haven't got

(37:31):
a position, and you know, I just want to know
where are they on this?

Speaker 2 (37:35):
On this I was watching Arena Williams yesterday. I don't
know whether she's got any sort of oversight on it,
but she goes it's all about local communities and local
voices and local this and local that. So she sounds
like she's against it. So maybe they don't know where
they're at.

Speaker 18 (37:48):
Well, what is actually about, Mike, is the fact that
rates are a major driver of the pressure their households
are facing. Under the cost of living, and we want
to put in place a proposal where those rates are
capped so that councils are able to operate and not
do operate on the increases within a band. The moment
they're unregulated, they are a monopoly, and you know they've

(38:10):
been spending pretty willy nilly all over the place. Average
rate increase of eight percent coming into this year with
inflation at three, you know, we want that to be
capped at four and we think that that's a pretty
sensible way to move forward.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
The interesting thing from Hipkin's point of view, and I've
got an element of sympathy, is that you are asking.
I mean, you're right on the right side of this overall,
and I think it's probably popular apart from anything else.
But there are a number of councils that do have
limited rating bases and major problems, and by capping them,
you've created a bigger headache for them, haven't you.

Speaker 18 (38:40):
Look what we're doing, and we're not heading the sand
to that issue, but we have built into the policy
process where in exceptional circumstances, you know, you have a
big weather event and you need to replace all your roads,
then they are going to be able to work with
a regulator and get a plan where they can spend
a little bit more, but they need to come back
in within the cap a bit like the inflation band.
We're gonna have an in dependent regulator and they're going

(39:01):
to be watching over these guys. But the problem is
again they're a monopoly. They've been unregulated and they just
can in terms of operational spending, it's been a whole
lot of staff on stuff that doesn't core business.

Speaker 12 (39:12):
So you us can't afford that.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Okay, So you in contact with labor when you ask
for labor to come up with you actually in contact,
you're twisting an army. You're having a drink, you're having
a meeting, and you're buying somebody lunch. What are you doing?

Speaker 18 (39:22):
Well, we're not. We'ren't having drinks, are having lunch sadly
but well not sadly, but we are definitely having the dialogue. Look,
I just want a clear position from Laby. Are you
supporting the rates cap or are you not? And you know,
I think that'd be a good signal in New Zealand
so that we can just get on and put this
reform and it makes sense, all.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Right, nice to talk to. You appreciate it. Simon Wants,
who's the Minister for Local Government. Just back to that
report I was reading this morning. The fun thing being
that we keep utes on the road for twenty one
years and cars on the road for nineteen years, and
you go to a place like America, it's only fifteen, Australia, Japan,
it's only fourteenth anyway. Point being this person who's working
on a sort of a project, nor Vegan. If it matters,
is their name from Chicago, Not that that matters anyway.

(40:02):
At point they're going, look, the problem you guys have
got here is you keep your cars on the road
so long, you're gonna have cars on the road and
we're not gonna have fuel because they're worried about the
geopolitical uncertainty, a big challenge in sourcing feedstock and all
of the stuff going. You know, this is not today,
in next week, next month. This twenty years down the track,
when the world, they argue, has moved on and everyone's

(40:23):
electrified and we're all in the EVS. Good old New
Zealand's gonna have twenty one year old you's still on
the road looking for petrol and there will be no petrol,
is their argument. So what are you gonna do then?
Which is an interesting thing to ponder. I thought seven twenty.

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have quite rightly raised what you would loosely call the

(41:49):
alarm around a rush of new deals between councils and
local murray up with us at the moment. Now the
rush is on because the government's new Natural Environment and
Planning bills. They're separate things. They were released last year.
You can't do under the new law. You can't do
local mari deals under it. It passed its first reading
sitting at committee level due back shortly. Like rust though,

(42:10):
councils don't sleep, so the deals are being inked desperately
and fast. Canterburage the latest, but deals have already been
done in the Mannowatu, Wanganui, North lond and Taranaki. Obviously,
we could focus on the duplicitous nature of all of
this week could focus on the fundamental dishonesty of giving
people a say over major matters without having ever had
to face a voter. But let us, for this moment
in time, this morning wonder allowed whether this very sort

(42:32):
of thing might be the reason for the softness in
the National party vote at the moment we are late
in the term. And then, yes, there was a lot
to do to try and stitch up the chaos that
labor left behind. But the Maorification of this country was
a centerpiece for all the players in the current government.
And yet you can argue, and I do, that it
never got the attention that needed. It never seemed to

(42:53):
have the urgency. It started with the smaller you know,
the simpler stuff like mari names on everything that should
have been a stroke of the pen ended the nonsense
on the spot we had that vote, you remember at
local level around Maori wards, that was democracy and action.
Good stuff. Some kept them, some didn't, but at least
we all had a say. But stitch up deals with
local tribes who decide what gets done and what doesn't

(43:16):
simply because of race is a gargantuan example of what
needed addressing. On Day one and here we are on
day nine hundred and sixty two and we still haven't
closed it off and given its July and Parliament rises
in September, and there are only a handful of sitting
days left. GBT told me yesterday's ten. You realize only
ten sitting days left. I assume they plan to pass
it in that time. But in the ensuing period the

(43:38):
piss is well and truly being taken. Delivery, you see,
is everything in government on this. Even if they do deliver,
they have looked lasadaisical in their approach, hence the bleeding
of support. The voter expected more, asking Mike got my
partner's medical insurance renewal last night. Twenty six percent increase,
following twenty two percent last year, twenty percent the year before. Unsustainable.

(44:00):
Tell you something about that. We've got a friend of
a friend he's going in for I don't know what
you would call. It's not an operation. I suppose technically
it's an operation. It's an exploratory thing, takes an hour,
less than an hour. It's day theater. They got the
quote on that. It's in and out. Fourteen grand, fourteen
thousand dollars. Thank you, very very much so, I can't

(44:21):
remember the breakdown, but the surgeon's about two and a
half three, the anethesis is about two and a half three,
theatre's about four. The incidentals are about two or three.
And it's like, are you serious. I mean, I'm not
against playing professionals a lot of money and they've studied
in their experts. I get all of that. But you've
got a system in this country, it seems to me,
and this is where the insurance comes in. You've got

(44:42):
a system in this country where the public health servance
is lacking and wanting, and so increasingly people go, well,
I might as well back myself up with a bit
of private medical insurance. But of course the private medical
insurance is going through the roof because every time you
go and it's fourteen grand, and then you're paying a
few thousand dollars a year and the insurance company coming
to you and going, well, what about the fourt in
grand last year? That's why you're playing more this year.

(45:02):
It's a vicious that it looks increasingly American to me,
is what I'm saying. In those costs appear to be
awfully cost plus. Now in New Zealand, they put out.
A few stats are on the times they land and
the times they take off and whether they're actually the
times they said they were going to land and take off.
So we'll work through some of these fun steps for
you after the news, which is next to.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
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Speaker 2 (45:31):
There'd be one or two of Varsis sheck is that
he signed a deal. I don't know it made a
lot of news. Actually he deliberately kept it very low key.
But he's off to Wakefield Trinity. We all knew he
was leaving the Warriors and then he did his knee
and in the ensuing period so he's sort of sitting
out in the season, which is kind of a shame
that Len. He's off to Wakeuield. Anyway, the whole point
of this is coming to see us after eight o'clock,

(45:51):
so that will look forward to the catch up. Now,
airline news in New Zealand's on time performance, So what
have we got? Eighty six percent last month? Analysts OAG
they rate the air line at eighty four point four
to two percent for June. I don't know whether that's
good or not. Seems all right to me. Kate Boyer
is the in New Zealand Chief operations officer for ground
and in flight and it's with us very good morning

(46:11):
to you.

Speaker 5 (46:12):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Are those numbers any good?

Speaker 5 (46:14):
Yeah, we're pretty happy with those numbers. We've seen real
improvement over the last couple of months. Eighty nine percent
in May, eighty six percent in June as we head
into winter. That's putting us right in the sort of
top tier of network airlines in terms of performance, and
that's where we want to be for our customers.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Okay, I should clear up first of all, what's your
job for ground and in flight? What part do you
cover and not cover?

Speaker 9 (46:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (46:35):
I look after all the day to day operations of
the airline, so our op center, our cabin crew, our airports,
all the stuff to sort of fly day to day.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Okay, So of the statistics, how much of its domestic
versus international?

Speaker 5 (46:47):
Yeah, our domestic performance is stronger and particularly regional. We
were eighty nine percent on the regions and we've had
huge focus on that because we lost customer trust there.
We were struggling to deliver reliability and performance into the regions,
and we put huge effort into that and turning that
around international. We still have some work to do. We're
seventy eight percent just above and we need to continue

(47:09):
to invest in that space, particularly on the Tasman. We're
a regular business travelers.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
How much of it's on any given month in those stats,
how much of it's you versus stuff beyond you?

Speaker 5 (47:21):
Oh, you know, we are really focused on the stuff
that we control, but we do see weather impacts. So
I'll give you an example. We had one hundred and
seventy six weather related cancels over forty eight hours in
Wellington and New Plymouth the other day with those windstorms.
That takes out the network, to lose a hub airport,
but to deliver that result eighty six percent with the

(47:42):
start of winter, we're pretty happy with you.

Speaker 9 (47:43):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
I was going to say, so you don't smooth out
those stats with the it was eighty four, but take
out the weather because we couldn't control it. That's with everything,
that's the whole.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
Thing's that's absolutely everything.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Okay, Yeah, why were you having trouble domestically and why
didn't you fix it sooner?

Speaker 10 (48:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (48:01):
You know, we were coming out of COVID, we were
rebuilding the airline, we were rebuilding a lot of experience
in our teams. We had engine issues, so we had
aircraft out, which meant we were trying to fly our
existing aircraft really hard. And all of that scrunched up
the schedule. We had equipment we needed to buy, and
then we've done a lot of work to modernize our tooling,

(48:21):
our procedures. We rolled out a new app that allows
everyone to collaborate on the turn So all of the
sort of dozens of people who work on turning an
aircraft around, they're now using this app to communicate with
each other and coordinate.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Through the podcast. So you could argue you should have
done that years ago because and that wasn't invented last week,
was it? And it's not your fault. I'm not blaming.
I'm just saying that these are the sort of things
because so whatever happens every time we talk about it
in New Zealand, I'm going to get nine thousand texts
from people who were going from Towerong to wan Rou
and they plied eight thousand dollars to get there and
the plane never took off. Is that broadly in your view, fixed.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
My view is customers don't really care the stats. They
care about if their plane goes on time, and so
our job is to do that day in and day out,
and we can talk about the stats, but what we
have to do is prove it through actions and keep
going so we rebuild that customer trust. Because one bad
flight can wipe out six or seven once.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
How much of the stat is being enhanced by the
fact you're flying less because of your cutbacks.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
Yeah, the consolidations from the Middle East have created a
little bit of slack in the system. That's good, but
it's not eight points worth of good. So we know
that we've made structural improvements that we're seeing roll through
the system, and we want to keep that muscle getting
built really strong, so as we regrow the schedule, we
can continue to deliver it.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Okay, what about the domestic answer to that question then,
because you cut back there as well.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Yeah, it's same thing. We've got a little bit of
slack in the regions right now. A few extra spare
aircraft one example. You know, after that storm, we were
able to put on ten additional recovery flights, So use
those aircraft from the consolidation.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
And that's why I asked what your job is at
the start of this. Where are you at aircraft wise?
Do you have everything back yet or not?

Speaker 5 (50:01):
Yeah, we just took our last wide body out of
Alice Springs and that was a pretty good feeling mic.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
To see you've literally got all your planes back.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
Now we've got them all back. Well, we might still see,
you know, one or two go out, but we are
back with our fleet flying, and that is an incredible
feeling after the last few years.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Mate, how many of them are out? So that's domestic
and internationally, you've got all you need.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
We've got all of our planes back from the engine issues.
And then we continue to look at our orders and
we've got deliveries coming in over the next year from the.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Okay, because the update that Nickel gave the other day,
and I don't know if this is in your wheelhouse,
but they were talking about Ford orders and planes and
all that sort of stuff. You're not ordering until next year,
next financial year. You need to start buying some stuff fast.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
So we've got a big order book forward order book
over the coming years. What Nickel shared is that part
of the new strategy is smoothing how we take delivery
of those aircraft, so they're not all to ensure that
we keep our balanced sheet strong as we sort of
build through and smooth the cash out the door. We
want to make sure that we're growing sensibly and that

(51:05):
we're maintaining a really resilient balance sheet.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Right, So the word is growing. You are growing because
of course we're all deeply concerned about the state of
the play at the moment, and you're down the hold
to three or four hundred million dollars worth, when do
you get back once again, tell me if this is
out of your wheelhouse, when do you think you get
back to some sort of profitability? Like I mean, I'm
looking internationally and aviation's booming and we're not.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
Yeah, we are really focused on turning around the financial
performance of the airline. So you know, we're still watching
what's happening in the Middle East and we're still seeing
some impacts over there. But we've built this plan and
launched the strategy to get ourselves back to a point
where we can deliver a really strong financial performance.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
All right, Well, I wish you the best with it.
That's nice to see you. Thank you, Okay, boy, who
works with the New Zealand Chief Operations Officer for Ground
and in flight seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
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Speaker 2 (52:01):
Just before I leave Aviation Hawaiian as in the airline
they are not coming back. They had seasonal flights. There's
sighting intro. Now this is interesting. So they did Auckland Honolulu.
They only did it over the cherry picking times of
the season, so that presumably is good for end you Seiland,
high fuel week, international demand, unfavorable exchange. I reckon Hawaii's
ruined themselves. When you say weak international demand, there is

(52:23):
no weak international demand to travel generally. So if yours
as a destination going there's no demand, you buggered your
own destination. And everybody I know who's gone to Hawaii
in the last half dozen years post COVID says the
place has gone to have gone to the pack and
it's become hideously expensive. Also, Auckland Airport came out yesterday

(52:44):
on their movement, so not aviation generally, just Auckland Airport
as a business. So passenger movements are down three percent.
That's largely due to the Middle East, of course, because
that fell fifty three percent. Passenger numbers from that part
all through that part of the world is down sixty
two percent. You can't have a war on without materially
affecting an airport. Seven seven hundred and twenty two thousand

(53:06):
international movements for the month down four percent, short haul
international down four, domestic down five, seek capacity down six.
So that's all the New Zealand's cutting back. Passengers on
main routes down three, regional down eight, Queenstown laughing up nineteen,
domestic down just one for them. So Auckland's feeling won

(53:29):
the economy to the cutbacks and three the ongoing effect
of the Middle East. Mike Kate's brilliant. But why isn't
the CEO yet again not front and center to be fed?
And Nicoli's on holiday as far as I can work out,
as is everybody at the moment. Quick update on the
property market. We've got the property price report. I don't
like it because they asked the asking price and the

(53:51):
asking price is just often a figment of a real
estate and a known as imagination. But anyway, the asking
price eleven thousand dollars down on the month to Wait,
twenty three thousand new listings are down eleven percent. Searches
are down fourteen percent. So you think is that good?
It didn't look good. It's not bad. Actually, it tells
the story of what they call longer term stability. If
you compare it, so month on month is the stuff

(54:12):
you try and avoid year on year. So if you
compare it with this time last year, national average price
is flat. New listings and demand though both up around
six percent, there is quote foundational demand there, So that's encouraging, Mike.
A public participated in local government, they can influence the spending.
We need to take responsibility and participate, not wait for

(54:32):
central government to set a cap. That goes back to
Simon Watts in the central cap text to thank you
for that, that ship sailed, that trains left the station.
You and I agree on that. Wouldn't it be wonderful
of people participated in democracy. Wouldn't it be wonderful of
people actually paid attention? Wouldn't it be wonderful of people
knew what the hell was going on? But they don't.
And while they don't, councils take advantage of that. Cost

(54:54):
plus accounting rules supreme and the next thing. You know,
they're sending your rates bills that are ludicrous. Mike, what
bird flu will know as my shipping containers will take
twice as long to inspect at the biosecurity staff will
get moved out.

Speaker 10 (55:04):
Yep, that's.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
That's life. It was always going to happen. The moment
I saw that bird wash up in Western Australia, what
is it three four weeks ago? I thought, here we go.
It's just a matter of time. Ten away from eight the.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
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Speaker 2 (55:22):
Question I want to answer. Let me give you the stats.
On the first half of the England Argentina game. There
were nineteen fowls. That's the big one of the most
activity on the field were the fowls, nineteen of them.
There were four grand count of four shots, only one
was on target, So forty five minutes of football allegedly
twenty two of the best players in the world and
only one of them could find the target and even

(55:43):
that didn't go through because it's nil law. Next thing,
our news is reporting this morning that people are taking
the day off work to watch the football. Now, unless
you start normally like I do at like three o'clock
in the morning. Fair enough, but given most people don't
and the game's over at about nine o'clock, why are
you taking the day off for something that, I mean,
for God's what's the matter with this? Anyway? Fun fact
time from a new survey this is Auto Car UK

(56:04):
looked at fifteen countries. Turned out we spend five hours
fifty eight minutes in the car each week. Five hours,
but let's call it six hours six hours a week,
which is twelve days, twenty two hours each year. Martin
Glen is AA's Transport policy director and as well us Martin,
very good morning to you, Good morning. So I suppose
the comparison is what we need to do is how
so we're six hours, US is six, South Africa's ten,

(56:26):
Ireland is seven, Australia seven. So we're sort of in
there somewhere. Does it tell us anything?

Speaker 14 (56:33):
Not really?

Speaker 13 (56:34):
That just insurtibly feels right. We'd kind of expect to
the middle of the pack. I would have thought Ireland
and Australia would have lease, you take least twelve times
than we do, but otherwise not a big surprise.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Mate, No, So it would have I would have thought.
One something to do with the science of the country,
therefore the commute. Two the role of public transport.

Speaker 13 (56:58):
Yeah, the report highlights public transport partecularly for France, Journey,
UK and either those they've all got really decent networks.
Interesting though, people drive for a whole bunch of reasons.
That was it was really interesting for me to see
that France and Germany's numbers were brought up by their
long holiday driving times like ten ten hours to destinations. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
That I'm assuming that would not be dissimilar in a
place like America, because of course when you drive, you
have to drive a long way because it's a very
big country. Do you I mean at six hours it's
an hour a day? Is but less than an hour
a day? It depends on whether is that commuting or
is that that's everything? So that shopping, it's you know,
beatling down to the service station to get your guess
it's everything, isn't it?

Speaker 15 (57:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (57:39):
Absolutely?

Speaker 13 (57:40):
And going away for long weekend.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
So so all all the driving we do, does it?

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Does it?

Speaker 9 (57:45):
Does it?

Speaker 2 (57:46):
What would you spend six hours? Would you spend an
hour a day?

Speaker 10 (57:48):
Ish you commute?

Speaker 13 (57:51):
I'm I've got to say surprised if I guess you
might think the A I take a bath, so I'd
probably be a bad under But I do a lot
of driving.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
On the weekends enough so there some sort of rule
at the AA, if you work at the AA, not
allowed to take a part my transport just out.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Of just at all, not at all.

Speaker 13 (58:06):
We're very very neutral about note and we recognize the
importance in driving to everyone.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Just about good on you, nice to talk to you,
make appreci out of Martin Glan who's the AA Transport
policy director, says six hours. I'm five minutes in, six
minutes in and six minutes home. So I'm twelve a
day times five is what's that? Sixty sixty a week,
sixty minutes a week, and then the weekend is different
because of the long haul. So yeah, what I've learned

(58:34):
this morning is we keep our cars on the road
for a very long time and utes twenty one years
and we spend about an hour a day behind the wheel.
The really interesting thing for me yesterday was this report
that came out. This is a very good lesson. Actually
give me a little sting the task A very important
thing to remember. So DHL does this report and the

(58:56):
DHL report. I'll come back to this after eight thirty.
But the DHL report says we are facing as export
as some of the toughest years ever, as costs sore,
as geopolitical tensions bite, and so you go, oh my god,
that sounds bad. But then, of course, what do we
know about exports. They're booming. So you've got a report

(59:17):
that tells you that it's a shit show, and yet
the facts tell you it's never been better times than
we're just laughing all the way to the bank. So
I'll work you through some of those numbers because it's
interesting now. Roger two baster Schick, he's got himself a
new diff factor. He's got a couple of new jobs.
One of them is working for Sky so he's their
expert analysts and he's doing the first time game this
weekend with the Dragons. He's got the knee problem of course,

(59:39):
and he's leading the warriors and he's heading off to
the north of England, all of which we will talk
about with him when he joins us shortly after.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Give a seven past eight, rogit two Avarsi. Sheeck seems
to have successfully filled his time between getting injured and
enduring the season for the Warriors, and his next big
gig is a two year deal with Wayfield Trinity in
the British Super League next year. Until then, he has
a NU stint with Sky TV expert Handleist. His first
home games with the Dragons this coming Saturday, and Roger
two advas.

Speaker 10 (01:00:20):
Sheck is will it's good to see you, morning morning.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Let's talk about the injury first of all, and the
state of the famous knee.

Speaker 10 (01:00:26):
How is it?

Speaker 15 (01:00:27):
Yeah, it's going good, thank you. Yeah, definitely definitely devastated
and cut at the time that happened. And you know,
I had big plans for the season being my final
seaton with the club, but yeah, that was taken away
and you just have to move on. And I'll be
really lucky. I've got somebody to move on too, and
that's what's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
So did it take you a period of time psychologically
to get over that and going my time at the
Warriors is done? Or is that just life?

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
No?

Speaker 15 (01:00:52):
I definitely took a toll on me. I was really
really sad, really gutted that that was my last inning
for the club. I've really invested a lot into the
Club of the Warriors, and I love that place, but
you have really devastated that I'm leaving that way. So yeah,
but that that period has passed and I'm in a
better place now and I'm just all about pumping up

(01:01:13):
the club and trying to do do good things for it.
And Sky is one thing that I can, you know,
go on there and talk about the love.

Speaker 10 (01:01:19):
Of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
How's it work contractually? Tell him. You don't need to
tell me stuff that you're not allowed to. But when
a player gets injured, are you still contracted to the
club and can you go? Clearly you can go and
do other stuff given you won't be playing on the
field for the rest of the season.

Speaker 15 (01:01:35):
Yes, for sure. So I'm still with the club. I
still have a responsibility with the club. I have other
work that I can do. So We're lucky and I've
got so many sponsors that I can go and spend
time with. I've got a role with the coaches, giving
me a job to look after our younger boys, our
outside backs. So I go and help them, give them

(01:01:55):
some tips here and here and there. And then at
the same time, I still get to use the gym
and do all my rehab, so goes both ways. And
then now they have more time from training, allows me
to go do this and go join sky.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Does it mess you I talked to talk to you
before we came to wed. But does it mess with
your head? The fitness thing, the worry about losing fitness
when you're injured, and how you get around that.

Speaker 15 (01:02:16):
Yeah, for sure. So and that's all I know. That's
a routine thing for me is training and training. So
when I got injured, it's you know, I'm always on
either one side of you know, who cares. I'm just
gonna eat this and drink that and do whatever. And
then on other stages, No, I still got to I
still got a job to do, you know. I want
to be fit and want to be there for the players.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
So yeah, and second and second knee injury, same bit different.
The psychology of coming back from that and whether you
will or do second guess yourself on the field and
when you play.

Speaker 15 (01:02:48):
I think, yeah, like I've like you said, I've done
it before. I was able to get past that down
period a lot quicker, having kids this time around and
my wife, so there's a lot of support there and
they take my mind off of the injury by going
back to playing. I think I'm more excited because I've
come back from that. I went from twenty sixteen, told
my ACL twenty seventeen I was Warrior's Player of the Year.

(01:03:10):
So things like that really give me confident that I
could come back from this injury. And I'm going to
a club that I've got some expectations that I want
to feel and I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
What are they How good's the club? What do you
know of the club? And what do you think is
going to happen?

Speaker 15 (01:03:24):
Yeah, Wakefield Trinity, they're tracking really well at the moment.
They're sitting there top three. I think they're going really
one to Super League and and with my sort of play,
I want to go there and be the best. And
that's something that I've said to the club and I've
said to my partner. I don't just want to go
there and be one of those older fellows that just
go to enjoy the holiday. I want to go there

(01:03:44):
and be the best, and I have confidence I.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Can What do you know about the north of England
in that part of the world.

Speaker 15 (01:03:49):
Very cold, very cold, and they play a lot of games,
but it's a beautiful place and that's the whole attraction,
is to take my family over and show them a
different start of the world. And that was something I
want to do personally. And at the same time, there's
goals that I want to achieve and I could have
do it this year, but I want to go do
what over there?

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Is it cream? And where are you at with your
career in that sense? Is that I know you want
to do well, and you will do well, but as
part of it, it's cream on the cake. You've done
amazing things. Are you enjoying it now or are you
still sort of driven in that moniac or I need
to be better way?

Speaker 15 (01:04:21):
Yeah, it's a bit of both. I'm stuck in that
question myself. A lot of times. It's like, yeah, you're
the old file, You've got all these accolades already, Like
why don't just go there and travel Europe and enjoy life?
And yeah, I could do that, but it's I really
want to go there and show my talent and show
who I am, because that's a whole new crop over there.
And I'm excited to take on that challenge. Yeah, because

(01:04:42):
I still want to be the best, and if I
chase that, then then I know I'll perform instead of
going over there think and it's a holiday.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
It's funny, I was thinking about you. I don't know
if I'm a big Warriors fan. I've been a worriorsvan
for thirty years, so you, to my eye as a fan,
disappeared a little bit because for a wh while the
earliers you weren't scoring as many tries as you used to,
but then you started scoring again, and then saying, oh
this is on Roger, But I looked at your stats.
You were all over the field. You were like doing

(01:05:10):
a couple of hundred meters a game. You were like
you were as instrumental. And it's just because you didn't
necessarily score the try. People don't think that. You see
what I'm saying. Yeah, do you feel as a player
as effective you don't have to score a try. You
can be as effective as a player if you're doing
the yards and getting the ball and moving it forward.

Speaker 10 (01:05:26):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 15 (01:05:27):
So that's I felt like That's always been my sort
of best attribute to our club was my work ethic
and being able to get our team in the position
for us to score. And of course I would love
to have scored more, especially being on their left wing.
I'd love to have got more tries as the winger.
That's normally what you're paid to do, and we're lucky
we've got candid now. But for me, it's all about
how can I do other things defensively get our team

(01:05:49):
in a place to score. And I've been moved around
in the last year or so, so from wing to
senates a fallback to senates a wing, So just try
to find how I can best give my performance.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
To talk about the season specifically in the moment. Roger
two bars to checks where us third team past.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Talks be coming up sixteen past eight Roger two Bunster
check is with us capable. By the way the news
this morning, he's extended. So that's encouraging, isn't a we're
getting past that thing?

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
You look at Barnett and Capeble and all those guys.
For a long period of time for the Warriors, getting
people here was a problem, and sometimes keeping them here
was a problem is are we overcoming that to some degree?

Speaker 15 (01:06:34):
I think we are overcoming that one with we finally
have a reason for boys to come over because they
could come over and learn how to play Ragby League
a lot better. Before it was a hard seal. And
the other one was we are now creating our own pathway,
so the challenge is there. Like all of the Jacob
Levens Alecqua, they care for our own pathway. So that's
that's exciting. So and then having Cape well stay longer

(01:06:56):
makes even more better for us.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
What do you reckon? The magic is this year? I mean,
what's happened this year?

Speaker 15 (01:07:02):
Our young boys have grown another year from last year.
They all got a taste of what success looks like.
They all believe in our system and it's a real
simple system. And I think that's why all the boys
are loving Webby and loving how we work.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
And it shows him because there's something about him. Having
interviewed him now many many times, there's there's something. I
don't know what it is. There's a matric. He's a
likable guy. I love the guy. Yeah, I don't even
play for him, but I love him. Is that the
feeling within the side.

Speaker 15 (01:07:27):
Yeah, we all want to do something for weby because
he's real clear on what he wants. And I think
when you're clear, you're not trying to hide things or
do and to say one thing and do another thing.
I think that's that really makes it tough. But he's
real clear of us. He knows we know what the
job he wants us to do, and we can go
out there and perform that and it's either yes, you
did it right or no, you did it wrong. Here's improvement.

(01:07:48):
And I think that's why it's really helping the boys,
and that's why those young boys are growing a lot
quicker because the jobs are clear.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Do you worry in any way, shape or form as
the season gets to the crunchy? But so, so, what's
for us this year? We're not having a conversation about
the eight because that's you're there. Yes, we're probably not
even having a conversation about before. Yep, so you're there.
So do you worry that when it gets really crunchy,
that that you know there's a few people on that

(01:08:16):
side that might not have been there, not be experienced
enough and might panic.

Speaker 15 (01:08:20):
You know, last year I would have said yes, But
this year, I think with that experience. We're in the
same position similar to last year, and we had the
mindset last year of I hope we stand this eight
I hope we stand before. But now this year just
a mindset change of us. It's like we've done it.
We've had our buys, our three buys are gone, We've
got eight games leading it to finals. Let's go after it.

(01:08:43):
Let's go get it. And that's what's bringing the confidence
and the boys around. Let's not hope and see if
we can stay in this fight. No, let's go after
the final. See. My observation is there isn't a side
in this competition you can't beat. Yep, and you should
feel that going into it. Technically the only side the Panthers,
which you didn't and you've got them again in a
couple of weeks. Is there something in that Panthers thing?

(01:09:06):
And I mean that would be psychological if you lost
twice going to the playoffs, that would be psychological, wouldn't it.
You'd have to get yourself a bit on that, wouldn't you. Yeah,
for sure. We look at these guys and they're they're
the big dogs. They're the ones we want to go after.
And it's on the day, do we turn up hoping
like I hope I bring my best performance and having
someone like Fishing outside who before they went on their
for premiership run, they they lost to the Roosters and

(01:09:28):
his biggest advice he gave us was we got to
the arena and we got bullied there. We weren't ready
for the arena. But now every day we practiced about
being in the arena every day and having him there.
That's what we're feeding off. That's why I keep saying
we want to go and take it. We've got to
go after it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
And it starts this week with the Dragons, especially Harro's
the meanest looking going, but it was.

Speaker 15 (01:09:47):
Especially when he's ring a singular looking around the gym
and big arms, tattered, scary guy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
You look at some of the skies, you man, they
must they're obviously nice guys, but they look like they
could finish you off without even looking at it. So
just just work me through. So my concerns the season
that was. But the Panthers won the Tigers, so you
thrash them last week. It was it last week whenever
it was, so you thresh them. They threshed you. Those
games that you have lost that you weren't supposed to lose.

(01:10:15):
What happens.

Speaker 15 (01:10:17):
I think at the time it's you know, you don't
want to put it all on one player. But we
had a we had a moment where we were trying
different combinations during those that year with Luke Metcalfe just returned,
we had to Mida Martin closer attorney where Schanw sort
of moved off with Tanner Boyd driving at the time.
So we look back at those days and say, I
think we just had a combination that we were trying,

(01:10:38):
and over the last weekend we found that combination that
works with us. We've got Tomda who's in the seat,
We've got shanew who who's the opportunity finder, and then
you've got Fish and Aaron who punches the door down.
So I feel like once we find their combination, and
this weekend we've got a pretty pretty stacked team and
even our bench is awesome. So it's about finding the

(01:10:59):
right combination. And just like I said, going with there, Mike, say,
and what.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
About you, how you're handling this transition to the media.

Speaker 15 (01:11:05):
Yeah, it's interesting one, Mike. I'm still trying to work
my way around it. I've got some good people around me.
You know, Sean Johnson, he's laying the way he seems
to natural. He seems that he's been really good. And
like you, I've gone once here in my corner as
are Monster beat them. And for me, it's always been
just trying to give enough. But I'll give too much
that you know, other teams are taking all the insights.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but you're going to loosen yourself up
a bit in the media. I have to talk about
personality and I have to.

Speaker 15 (01:11:31):
My brother's been pushing me a lot to get into
space and be more open minded about it. But for me,
it's all no action over everything, you know, so it's
still learning.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
It's all enjoyable. Good on you, mate, Nice to see
you appreciate it very much. Go well with Sky and
go well with If we don't talk, you can go
well with them Trinity next year.

Speaker 10 (01:11:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Nice to see Roger two Basshick eight twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
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Speaker 10 (01:11:55):
There'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Eppy, I Love Arts. Yes, Mike is playing brilliantly in
the centers this year. I hope he goes well into
the future. I'm surely well. He's a hell of a
nice guy and good to have him in the studio. Hey,
we have we scored in the football at all?

Speaker 12 (01:12:17):
Roger's is cross Gordon coming in, Anthony Cordon.

Speaker 15 (01:12:25):
Right place, right time?

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
England leaping in the semi final.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Glenn tells me it's a more open game in the
second half, which is just as well because the first
half looked like absolute bollocks to me. But one deal
to England. Mike, what a nice guy, very well spoken.
The rugby boys could take a nighte. Now see, it's
interesting we're talking off here. I alluded to it very briefly.
We're talking off here about funny enough. I don't think
i'd met Roger before. Not as big as you think,

(01:12:57):
which is different to Bowden, who I saw at the
airport the other day. But I met before, bigger than
you think. Similar positions, but different sizes.

Speaker 10 (01:13:05):
Paul Henry's a bit like that, isn't he. He's taller.
He's taller than you think.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
He's way bigger than you.

Speaker 13 (01:13:12):
See.

Speaker 10 (01:13:12):
Bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Well, I just just Paul and I go back a
long way, so he's not a surprise, but you know,
when you don't see people for very long periods of time.
He's saying, no, you're bigger than I think. It's entirely
possible that my age, I've shrunk, of course, and that
I was once as big as boat in Barretton. Now
it's just I'm shrunk, and I was probably bigger than
Roger two BARSI check, but I've also shrunk, so therefore
I'm just basically smaller than everybody.

Speaker 10 (01:13:33):
I don't think you've ever been bigger than Roger.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
I've probably never been bigger than that, certainly not certainly
not faster than Roger. But it was lovely to have
him in the studio. Cal Well, obviously we're going to
interrupt ender. I feel bad about this because we're going
to be ringing him in about six or seven minutes time.
And men. He keeps telling us he's Irish and he
doesn't care, but we all know secretly he's right behind.

Speaker 10 (01:13:51):
I think if they win, then he's not quite as irish.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
If they do win, But the point being is what
they got was sixty. There are twenty to go, so
we're going to be right in the middle, right in
the middle of it, and he'll be half cut and
he'll be with his mates, and the whole thing could
be chaotic. But one nil over Argentina, although the thing
I didn't say, sorry, Glenn. Glenn suggest to me that
Argentina a more open game. Argentina have had the better

(01:14:15):
of it, so therefore, don't rule things out. Would you
close it down if you were two cale, would you
close it down? Yes? See, Sam, that's because you're a pussy,
and that's the difference between you and me. See what
I would be doing. Sam's nodding his head frantically. He's going, yeah,
close it down, win it one, Neil. What I would
be doing if I was two cle as I push hard,
push hard, and keep pushing and do not come home
until you get two more. I'd be going for a

(01:14:37):
three nil. I'd be going for comprehensive. I'd be sending
Spain a message that we are bringing it home and
this is sixty six all over again. But old Sammy,
I know he's closing it down at one.

Speaker 10 (01:14:46):
Nil, but they've just had another shot on goal.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
So yeah, anyway, news for you. In a couple of moments,
then we'll interrupt the football and see what Ender's got
to say for himself here at Newstalk zby.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Here yourself. Think it's the Mic Hosking Breakfast with a Vida, Retirement, Communities,
Life your Way, News, togs Head.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Be What a great interview, Mike. I don't even watch
the Warriors, but really enjoyed hearing Roger's drive, ambition and humility.
He's a good guy and Warrior's ambassadory. Yes he is.
Couldn't have put it better myself, Mike, from an old
league player, thank you for your support of the game.
When most of New Zealand media hate rugby league, you've
stood out with your continued love of the game. I'm
not sure that's true. I mean, I thank you, Kevin,
I'm not sure it's true that. The only thing I
would argue is I'm not into those fly by nighters

(01:15:30):
with the Warriors. Is we get to the end of
the season, you'll notice all the people all of a
sudden who love the Warriors. Everybody you'll start loving the Warriors.
That's I don't resent it, but it's kind of I mean,
you know, all supports good support, but you know what
I'm saying, here's Starmer saying goodbye.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
This is the end of my political journey.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
In six years, went from historic defeat in twenty nineteen
to historic victory in twenty twenty four and in two
years in government, I leave the country in better.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Shape than I found it.

Speaker 10 (01:16:02):
I'm proud of everything.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
That we have achieved.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
To my wife and children, I love you. Goodbye. International
correspondence with ins and Eye Insurance Peace of mind for
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Speaker 12 (01:16:21):
Yeah, good morning, Mike. Great to speak to you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
I'm gonna have to I can't do anything, but I'll
give you a look. We'll give you a time and
a half on this because interrupting the football. Interrupting the
football for this it's like, honestly, I mean, now, look,
just to update me, I'm if Argentina don't score shortly,
something's wrong. I mean the game's turned, hasn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:16:42):
Argentina are getting closer and closer. They're knocking on the door.
Just to set the scene and watching this with my
English wife and Irish England well as an irishman. I
just it's going to be epic England reaching a World
Cup final. If twelve minutes, twelve minutes to hold out.
Argentina are getting closer and closer. But England are playing
so well and I think that I think I think

(01:17:05):
their name is on it this year.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
I do fair enough? Would you, because I have not
watched the game, would would you describe this as a
well deserved victory if that's what it turns out to be,
And would you have genuine hope for Spain?

Speaker 12 (01:17:19):
Yes? If England can be Argentina, they can beat Spain. Now, Argentina,
this is a really aggressive, niggly you can hear my
wife in the background here, niggly, aggressive, unpleasant Argentinian team.
England are in again here blocked. I really hope England
beat them because for a team that can actually play football,
Argentina are just fouling, being needlessly aggressive, pleading with the referee,

(01:17:44):
everything everything we knew was gonna happen. I still have
flashbacks to ninety eight and that awful night, the penalty shootout,
Beckham getting himself sent off like an idiot. So let's
let's hope England can kind of bury some ghosts tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Right, very good astrama, it was. It's a funny thing,
isn't Because what I mean you heard him a couple
of momes ago. He got the Legion of Honor from
Macron the other day. But I mean he's hardly going
down in there as one of the British greats, is
he he's been there three months?

Speaker 10 (01:18:10):
No he's not.

Speaker 12 (01:18:11):
No, he's going to be instantly forgettable. The country has
so many problems. Then a new guy needs to come in.
Monday Andy Burnham hit the ground running first hour and
come out and say what he's going to do. I
felt a little bit sorry for Starmer today making a
fantastic speech in front of a load of people who've
knifed him in the back. A part of me was thinking, gwan,

(01:18:33):
say they're going to stay on until after the World
Cup final, because if England win the World Cup Final
on Sunday, I think a thousands political sins would be
forgiven and I'd write it outide.

Speaker 9 (01:18:44):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:18:44):
I was just thinking, go on, say say you're just
going to hang in there the next Monday and you'll
make a statement Monday nine am.

Speaker 10 (01:18:50):
But he didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
So what the vibe Monday in Burnham turns up? I mean,
the expectation must be gagantuan, mustn't it?

Speaker 9 (01:18:57):
It is?

Speaker 12 (01:18:58):
And a lot of the opposition are saying, well, who
put you in as prime minister? We need an election immediately.
There will be huge expectation now. The newspapers here, the
right wing media in particular, are portraying Andy Burnham as
this kind of left of Jeremy Corbin type figure. I
saw headline in the Daily Mail last week saying hang on,

(01:19:18):
saying that he was mediocracy in a suit. England have
got away with one again there, mediocracy in a suit.
He is far from mediocre. So this guy, I've known him.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
A long time.

Speaker 12 (01:19:30):
He turned Manchester around. My daughter's at the university there,
the transport system, the infrastructure, the lack of litter. It's
a bouncing, buzzing city. Because they've had leadership for a decade.
Now running the country is a lot more of a challenge.
I think there's huge expectation on his shoulders. But he
can communicate. He's a very smart guy, he's ambitious and

(01:19:52):
he can work a room well.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
I guess we wish him all a bit. Speaking of which,
the security review it comes out of Whitigham of course
in Faraj, and the seemingly nibberinding series of death threats
he received. Something has to be done though, doesn't it Yes.

Speaker 12 (01:20:06):
I genuinely don't know what There are six hundred and
fifty MP's in Parliament now they can't give police protection
to all of them. I mean we're running out of
police protection for the number of ex prime ministers that
are floating around Starmar. Soon to be one of them,
he will have police protection for life. I don't know
what can be done. We need to soften the public

(01:20:27):
but debate. We need to be talking to social media companies.
I see tonight a guy in his twenties has been
arrested for allegedly threatening to kill Nigel Faraj on social media.
So these platforms that are allowing people to spew bile
and make poisonous threats and make profit off the back
of these people being on them, they need seriously to

(01:20:49):
be looked at. So I don't know what the answer is,
but it's shameful and how I knew Anne Whittekum I
first interviewed her in nineteen ninety six. She scared the
life out of me. She was very blunt, very brusque,
and it was quite a car crash of an introduction
into covering politics for me as a young journalist starting out,
but everyone liked her because that was the way she was.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Exactly, who are these blokes totles bringing on any good
they will be.

Speaker 12 (01:21:14):
I'm just gonna have a look at the screen now,
so yeah, okay, who's that coming on?

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
My wife will just update me.

Speaker 12 (01:21:20):
Nic o'reiley and Dan Barnes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
She calls him Big dan Burne, she loved so well, yeah,
big name.

Speaker 8 (01:21:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:21:25):
Look, look, I think this is the final roll of
the roll of the dice for England to just kind
of the defense, hang in there and then, you know what,
it'd be amazing if England reached the World Cup final. Honestly, Mike,
the country just needs this so badly.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Yeah, yeah, it does. What it actually needs is the
World Cup. I'm just wondering if you get to the
World Cup final and then don't go out the final hurdle,
whether that's just a bigger day, you know what I mean.
It's just it's this is almost the anti climax before
what could be history.

Speaker 12 (01:21:53):
It is, but look, they've waited sixty years to reach
a final and I was actually at the last semi final.
I was behind the goal in Moscow in twenty eighteen
when England won the and I said to my mate,
who's English, my best friend, and I said to him,
I said, we are going to be like those annoying
old people in the pub who was like, oh was
there winn England won the World Cup and he's sixty

(01:22:14):
sixth mine? And then Croatia went and then destroyed that dream.
So hang in there, Mike, come.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
On, Oh no, Honestly, for a person who couldn't give
a monkey's I'm you dragged me and screaming here, it's fantastic.

Speaker 12 (01:22:26):
You're you're a Warriors fan this morning as well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
I'm loving it. Oh no, I've been a Warrior fan,
wors fan for even anyway, nice to see you mate,
You go well, get back to the television. Appreciated very much.
Into Brady who's in Britain for us this morning? It Davy,
by the way, is now this is interesting and I
didn't know this Bournham. No, let me come back and
tell you in a moment A sixteen to two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
It'd be it is thirteen two, wouldn't you know?

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
As it gets into the penalty.

Speaker 9 (01:22:56):
Area, Ah, best runs on target, best runs an absolute beauty.
He had the sight up and now he's Fassim equalizer Enzo.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Fernandez, and it was too beautiful. It was a sensational goal.
So what do we say to We're saying extra timering
and going to wrap it up in the ninety Oh
we're going extra time?

Speaker 14 (01:23:21):
Are we?

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
Sam here?

Speaker 12 (01:23:22):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Sam's and panic mode? Sam Sam Magi, he's just closed
the game down. Now he's in panic mode. Let me
come back to David the Lib Dems leader. What I
didn't understand or realize about Andy Burnham. He's a fan
of proportional representation. Now the Lib Dems have been a
fan of changing the system. The problem with the first
part of the post, and you've seen it displayed beautifully

(01:23:43):
last couple of elections, and Starma referred to it in
a farewell speech. It was a devastating loss the time
before last devastating because Boris Johnson swept the country, the
red Wall, all that sort of stuff. But then Starma
came back, only got thirty seven percent of the vote,
but he landed the vote in the right and then
got this gargantuan majority that they still enjoy. And that's

(01:24:04):
the weird thing about first past the post. You don't
actually have to be that popular to win spectacularly. Well, so,
people like get Dave. You've been arguing for years, obviously
because he's part of the Lib DEM's and they have
the same small party problem that small parties in this
country had before we went to MMP. Anyway, he says,
let's do some proportional representation. Boonham's a fan of it,
and he's argued for it and wants it, and of

(01:24:25):
course now the pressure is on to do something about it.
But so he was doing some chat the other day
and they said, well, what about it. Now you're Prime Minister,
let's get on with it and go. I'll probably have
to convince my party, so it may or may not
go anywhere. But at last, at least from Davy's point
of view, you've got a Prime Minister of Britain who
is a personal fan of reforming the parliamentary system. So

(01:24:46):
let's see where it goes. Ten to nine the make.

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Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
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Speaker 9 (01:26:00):
Maybe true, Altara Martinez, they're coming out to the semi
final side?

Speaker 13 (01:26:08):
Yeah, who was it?

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Oh that's great, it's a header.

Speaker 10 (01:26:13):
Yeah Martinez only just came on five minutes ago.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Well that's why you put them on, isn't it for impact?
Sam wouldn't have put them on. Sam would have closed
them down, had time to pack up and go home
and bunk it down. But Sam's lost the game. Sam
has says that he's gone and lost the game because
he closed it down. Push hard, I said, push hard,
go for three? But no, no, So it's over, isn't it.
I mean it's not technically over. But this This is England,

(01:26:35):
isn't it. This is And as much as you don't
want to say it, and Andy would agree with me,
this is everything that's wrong with not football, but England.
It's everything that's wrong with England. When it counts, they're
not there. They think they're there, they could be there.
It's sixty six until it's not. I hope I'm wrong.
I hope in how long we got to go on

(01:26:56):
this thing? Six minutes she started, did the right thing
and left in me. I was going to tell you
about SBS who paid thirty million dollars for their football
in Australia. I can't work out how this works. So
SBS and Australia, they paid thirty million dollars for the

(01:27:17):
rights to the football, so it's free to wear in
Australia because SBS government funded. So why is a government
funded operation spending thirty millions of taxpayer and they write
it off over four years because of the cycle of course,
So it's something like you know what, a four seeds
is seven million a year. It's not the end of
the world. So people, and it's gone gangbusters. Seventeen million
Australians have watched the football, so they get it all

(01:27:38):
free to wear. We don't get it free to wear.
It seems weird to me anyway. That's for another day
because Argentine is going to go and win this thing.
Five minutes away from nine.

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Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Doves?

Speaker 11 (01:27:58):
Paddine, Harry here, credit Colin from accounts and we have
a little announcement.

Speaker 10 (01:28:03):
First three, we just want to say season three is
coming at you. We we really hope you enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
We love it, yeah, and we hope you do too.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
We also need to add that this is our last season.

Speaker 10 (01:28:13):
Understandably you're upset.

Speaker 13 (01:28:15):
Yes, stably, it just feels like, you know, feel at the.

Speaker 10 (01:28:18):
Right time for these characters as well. We don't want
to flog a dead horse when it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Comes in threes.

Speaker 15 (01:28:22):
So that's it.

Speaker 12 (01:28:22):
Yeah, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 10 (01:28:23):
Anyway, We're sorry for disappointed.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
I mean, we're going to miss it terribly, it really are.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
We love this world, we love.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
The characters, and we love love making TV for you guys.

Speaker 10 (01:28:30):
We really do.

Speaker 11 (01:28:31):
Anyway, we love you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
We just want to say by, want to say bye.

Speaker 10 (01:28:34):
It Well, we'll see around there around the bend.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Right, So if you missed all that, Colin from Accounts
is fantastic, indisputably fantastic. Season one and season two you
can already get on TV and Z Plus. So season
three is going to be available to stream from the
twenty seventh of July, so it's not long you have
to weigh. You'll love season one. Season two is even better.
So I'm assuming season three is I don't know why

(01:28:57):
they're ending season three, it's not necessary to end it
at the season free. What I do know is those
two horror married by the way in real life, have moved,
I believe, to Los Angeles on a semi kind of
We're going to Los Angeles to discover ourselves and get
the big deals and go Hollywood. I don't know whether
there are any of that's happening, but anyway, as a
result of that, maybe that's why they're moving on from
Colin from Accounts. But if you've never seen Colin from
Accounts and you want something to watch at the moment,

(01:29:19):
TV and z Plus is your place one of those
shows too interestingly enough that I would I think it's successful.
I might be completely wrong on that. It might be
successful in my own mind and nobody else's, but it
seems to have got some buzz anyway, available on TV
and Z Plus and season three just a couple of days,
best time. It's virtually over the ex over England lose

(01:29:39):
It's good night Nurse anyway, as I always say, Happy days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
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