Full Show Podcast: 19 May 2026

On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Tuesday 19th of May, Education Minister Erica Stanford unpacks the $131 million education funding and Touch NZ CEO Joe Sprangers explains their new partnership with NZ Rugby. 

Immigration is turning into an election issue so we talk to sociologist Paul Spoonley as our population goes above 5.3 million and the gap between our birth and death rates narrow. 

Michael Kelly of House of Cards and Jack Ryan fame is on to talk the new Jack Ryan movie Ghost War. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Bonny and welcome today the new classroom, money and what
it buys. If you're having trouble getting to a specialist
from your GP's referral, I can tell you why. We've
got good news on tourism, good news for touch football.
Michael Kelly, House of Cards, Fame, Jack Ryan Fame, he's
with us after write Katherine Field and France end of
Brady does the United Kingdom for us? Ask me welcome
to Tuesday morning, seven past six. Help me out here.

(00:29):
So the media are under fire, right, The media are
in crisis. Apparently Mikey Sherman got railroaded out of a
job because she's a Maori woman. The media are under
attack from the government. David Seymour went too far attacking
radio in New Zealand. If you read a lot you
will have seen Lord knows how much verbiage written about
the poor old media and it's never ending troubles in
the past week or so. My question is this for
you this morning? Do you care or is this beltway?

(00:52):
I argue beltway stuff Radio New Zealand in particular, went
to Town news Room bleeded. The spinoff wrote pieces the
NBA rap off a good Woe is Me column. No
one is more gripped by the media than the media.
But I just can't work out whether this is actually
a thing or just a pity party. Conflation is at play,
as it always is. The tbn Z political editor lost
her job. Seymour had a crack at radio in New Zealand.

(01:14):
The PM canceled in an interview. Somebody else complained about
political coverage. So there's a poe perie of material with
which to become angsty. So let's whip through a few
individual examples, shall we. One Mikey Sherman. Is she looking
for work because she's a mari woman. No, she is
looking for work because as a political editor of the
state television channel, you need to be beyond approach and

(01:36):
she wasn't. Two to David Seymour go too far in
radio in New Zealand. No, a minister can't direct. He
didn't direct. He oftened an appraisal, a scathing one, but
nevertheless an appraisal. The media is too sensitive to criticism. Three,
the general angst around politics and media. This is not new.
When I work for Morning Report, Sharon Crosby used to
call me into her office every second day to deal

(01:57):
with the barrage of political complaint. Worse election year, of course,
everyone's on the fritz. That's life. I'm currently dealing with
the Famous Five and their whining complaint about me naming them.
This is day to day business. Four More importantly, like
all things, there is nuance in complexity, EBB and flow.
But overall the media is getting a hammering because the
media overall has no one to blame but themselves. It's global,

(02:19):
of course, but locally. COVID and the Adernal love and
changed the dynamic. Forever I was there, I saw it,
I felt the change. It was the big reveal that,
under pressure, the media does have an agenda. It's not neutral,
and they could no longer hide it. That was the
moment that the curtain got pulled and the genie has
not and cannot be put back in the bottle. I

(02:39):
don't think the wider world cares about this. We are
too busy, but just in case you do, we are
here broadly because an industry let itself down and doesn't
light the fallout why news.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Of the world in ninety seconds right the.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
War, if I have this right. The Iranians have come
back with a new plan that got rejected by the
use you is now another plan.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Therefore, from the very day after we sent our points
to the American side via Pakistan, we were feaced with
a series of proposals from the other side, which have
been reviewed over the past few days. As was announced yesterday,
our own views have in turn been convened to the
American side.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Right, So in Britain, the Boonham try and his off
campaigning has begun.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
A vote for me will be a vote to change labor,
because labour needs to change if we're to regain people's trust.
There'll be a vote to make life more affordable again.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
The bloke he's after still not thro all about leaving.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I do want to by the next election, but I
remind myself every day that I was elected into office
to serve for people, to serve the country.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
That's what I believe in.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I remind myself every days. Sound a bit weird. Boonham
may have trouble already though. He's got this idea that
Britain rejoins the EU likeally that's got a lot of pushback.
Not surprisingly evenly you use a bit luki.

Speaker 6 (03:57):
I would certainly not jump on many of the ongoing
steps or take any conclusions at the stage. There are
discussions on closer corporation on a number of areas. That's
where we are.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Health News DRC confident with their abola.

Speaker 7 (04:15):
The sooner we take a patient in for care, the
sooner we treat them, the sooner we will stop the
spread of the virus.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
This is not a mystical disease.

Speaker 8 (04:24):
If you have symptoms, make yourself known so that you
can be taken care of and so that we can
prevent the disease from spreading.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
And listen to this reaction, Google boss Eric Schmidt turns
up at the University of Arizona for the commencement speech.

Speaker 9 (04:36):
There is a fear in your generation yet that the
future has already been written, that the machines are coming,
that the jobs are evaporating.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
They're not happy with them. That's news of the world
in ninety By the way, putins you today tonight probably
our time or later on this afternoon our time. Puttance
due in China, So she's busy at the moment. They
are apart from anything else. This coin science with the
twenty fifth anniversary of the Treaty of Good Neighborliness and
Friendly Cooperation. Who came up with that? Anyway? I assume
they'll be talking about the war and other matters globally,

(05:09):
So watch that space. Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
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Speaker 2 (05:21):
A couple of quickies upgrade from the IMF on the
UK economy, so Kia will be happy with that's not much.
It's gone from zero point eight to one percent for
the year. Met is going to start laying off people.
More people this week, eight thousand this week, Another roundcoming
in August, another roundcoming September October, they think. And Samsung
watched this space and Korea because there's forty seven thousand

(05:42):
workers about to walk off and the president's involved. It's
twelve and a half percent of the economy, so they
count afford for that. So that'll unfold potentially and the
next day or so. Fifteen pass six from Sures Andrew
Keller had good morning, very good morning, Mike. Is a
quarter past four there?

Speaker 7 (05:59):
It is quarter past five or in Sydney?

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Do we do appreciate you getting up in the early hours,
and I'm sure you'll go out after this and run
around the waterfront and have a good time. Services still
in contraction. How worried are we? What is the number?
It was forty eight points something, wasn't it.

Speaker 7 (06:11):
Yeah, yeah, it's that time of that time again when
we get the monthly read on the service as a
manufacturing sector and Mike, look, contrary to what it sounds
like recently, I'd love to come on and wax lyrical
about how healthy these sectors are, but the reality is
that's just not what we're seeing. The fact from this
data series when I look at it, is that we've

(06:32):
actually struggled to post sustainable periods of expansion in the
service sector. Actually, since twenty twenty two, we've never quite
got there. The print for April, Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 10 (06:41):
For the B and Z.

Speaker 7 (06:42):
Business New Zealand performs some services forty eight point nine,
So it applies the services sector is contracting. Look, I'm
trying to look for positives here. Are there any silver linings?
While the degree of contraction is not as great as
it was in March forty six point two, so it
looks a little bit better. And if I actually look
at the sub indexes, the new orders component, which is

(07:03):
it's just sort of forward looking, it printed at fifty
one point two. Unfortunately, all the other components were under
fifty and contracting, and we do sort of look weak
on when we compare ourselves to the global comparisons as well. So,
you know, you look at the manufacturing on Friday, small
level of expansion, but it's actually telling a story of
economy that looks to me like it's under a bit

(07:24):
of pressure. In particular. Yeah, I know, now employment, Mike,
the employment component looks pretty subdued, and I think the
signals are real risk that the unemployment rate drifts higher
than the current five point three percent. Look at the
component index combined manufacturing services, it suggests that for the
quarter the Q two cord, it's starting with a fairly

(07:45):
anemic growth impulse, which doesn't bode well for Q two GDP,
particularly after that promise that we saw in Q one.
And the only point, the final point that I would
add is when you look at the sector break down, Mike,
really tough for accommodation, cafes, restrants, so HOSPO really finding
that you know the fact that discretionary spending is getting
hurt by higher energy prices and sort of low confidence

(08:08):
that they just can't send to buy a break came
the postpo.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Sector of the Chinese.

Speaker 7 (08:13):
I didn't see a lot of hope there either. Actually, yeah, no, no,
there isn't there. So Trump's been and gone and they've
now got put in there. We have a commitment and
nothing really came out of that US China trud China summit,
did it look? We do have a commitment to keep
listeners updated on the economic fortunes of our biggest trading partner.
Big data dump yesterday, So I'll quickly romp through the headlines.

(08:36):
Retail sales weaker than expected, just zero point two percent
rise in April. They're seeing the weakest growth in retail
sales at the moment since the post pandemic sort of
reopening in early twenty twenty three. Get this one on
new home prices. This has started taking from seventy cities,
even though there looks like there might be some signs
of stabilization year on yearfl three and a half percent.

(08:58):
So if you're worried about house prices here, new home
prices in China have fallen for thirty four consecutive months,
so still a big headwind for that's still a big
head for the Chinese economy. Fixed acid investment, that's pretty important.
It's fallen one point six percent year on year month
and month growth, steepest decline since Februar twenty twenty. This
is all cheery stuff, isn't it. Yeah, Industrial production now

(09:21):
it rows four point one percent year and year. Unfortunately,
though people were hoping that would come in at six.
So the oil place very much impacted on factory activity there.
It's growing at the weakest pace in three years. The
drums are beating mic for government fiscal stimulus because it
is challenging times for the Chinese domestic economy.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Okay, and then we come to the long money, the bonds.
How gy is this getting well? I think this is
really interesting.

Speaker 7 (09:44):
So just let's just have we're eleven weeks and now
Mike the straight up formals test other boats going through
the straight No, the oil price is still holding up.
Inflation starting to become sort of quite very much a
global concern. I just might note that the US thirty
year bond has gone five point one three percent. That's
the highest we've seen on that thirty year bond since
twenty two thousand and seven, so almost in twenty years now.

(10:07):
If you recall after Liberation Day, Mike, after the tariff
the when we had the markets had all the tariff tantrums,
it seemed that there was particular sensitivity within the Trump
administration to a lift in these longer bond years. We're
seeing that again, albeit not as steep and as sort
of sudden as it was, But it'd be interesting to
see if that does prompt some response. Give me some numbers, sure,

(10:29):
The Dow Jones is down eighty five points forty nine
thousan four hundred and forty that's point one seven percent.
The S and P five hundred seven three seven eight
down thirty points point four one percent. The Nasdaq is
down three hundred and five points as I look at it,
one point one seven percent, twenty five thy nine hundred
and seventeen. So week starts to the week forty one hundred.
Though they had a great day, yes, stay up one

(10:50):
hundred quarter percent, one hundred and twenty eight points ten thousand,
three hundred and twenty three. The nick A fell just
under one percent sixty thousand, eight hundred and fifteen Shangha
composite sort of virtually unchanged four one three one. Very
weak days for Australasia. Yesterday Mike the ASX two hundred
foul just under one and a half percent one hundred
and twenty five points eight five oh five and a

(11:13):
pretty horrible day for the local For the New Zealand
share market fell one point six percent two hundred and
two points twelve thousand, seven hundred and sixty two one
Kiwi dollar slightly better against the US point five eight six,
eight point eight one nine six against the Aussie, so
having my lunch share as kind of expensive at the
moment against the Euro point five oh three nine point

(11:35):
four to three seven four pounds ninety three point twenty
nine Japanese yet gold trading at four thousand, five hundred
and forty five and Brent crude one hundred and ten
dollars and eighty six cents.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
I assume you've got usual opera view room at the
park high so you're looking well.

Speaker 7 (11:51):
Actually you wouldn't get much of you because it is
rainy and grim, so enjoy the weather there.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Might good on you mate, Nice to catch Up'll see tomorrow.
Andrew Kellahair sure and part past people who own Sylvia
Park among many other properties. Q Property Group had a
very good day yesterday. Robust is their word, not mine.
Net rental incomes up four point three percent, portfolio occupancy
ninety nine percent. You can't argue with that. Shakira is
having a good morning as well. She's been battling the
Spanish government for years. They grabbed fifty five million euros offer.

(12:20):
They said she didn't hang out in Spain enough. You'd
need to hang out for one hundred and eighty three days.
She's been battling back and forth. Anyway, she's got a refund,
so she'll be happy. Six twenty two. Here at news
talks Abo.

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Speaker 2 (12:45):
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Started over the weekend. They're closing swatshops all over the
place Cardiff, Glasgow, Liverpool, Manchester, Boomingham and Sheffield. They've done
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(13:05):
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of them, so they're having to close the stores because
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Speaker 10 (13:39):
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The ministry will get in touch with you. I talked
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Speaker 2 (14:30):
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Speaker 10 (14:34):
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Speaker 2 (14:41):
So it's out June third, just two weeks tomorrow. So
how exciting is this? Once again, I reiterate, having watched
a couple of episodes last night on Disney National Geographic
Stanley Tucci's second season of Italy very moving, actually, I mean,
and Italy is never That's the thing about money and
funding and drones and hell copter shots and all that
sort of stuff. They can make places look absolutely amazing.

(15:03):
So there's a bit of tally there for you.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
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Speaker 2 (15:15):
You're not following the BRUCEI Macron story, the slap on
the plane, the famous slap on the plane. He apparently
was texting some actress and Brushi didn't like that anyway.
It's all part of a book, and Catherine's been reading
the book and she's with us shortly from France, twenty
three minutes away from mine back home. New data that
gives a sense of some pressure points and health. What
have we got of GP referrals to specialists now being

(15:35):
the client. So that's an estimate of one hundred and
twelve thousand referrals turned down. That's up eighteen percent and
three years. Sarah Dalton's the executive director of Association of
Salaried Medical Specialists and is back with us. Sarah, good
morning to you, Joda, Mike. You've done here. Is this
geography or a specialist area or both?

Speaker 14 (15:57):
I'm not quite sure what you're getting at.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
The cancer referral in Otago or is it the region
that's the issue, or is it the area of specialization
of medicine.

Speaker 14 (16:07):
No, it's right across the board. It's both. It's both
location and specialty. What this is saying is in the
first place, Health New Zealands not managing unmet need, which
is the people who miss out. And then the second place,
and the really key thing is we've got a target's
focused system that doesn't provide targets for workforce. So a
lot of the declines we believe are down to understaffing

(16:31):
in our health system.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Okay, are these public referrals or public hand private?

Speaker 15 (16:35):
They are?

Speaker 14 (16:36):
They're all public. They are all referrals being made from
GPS to the public system. Some of those referrals may
be outsourced through this government system. But what we're also
finding is that the combination of targets and outsourcing are
not achieving the goals set by this government. And what
we're also hearing from our members at the moment, because
the thirtieth of June is a big date for the

(16:58):
end of year in terms of that targets figures, is
that they are under ridiculous pressure to basically see as
many people as possible, irrespective of clinical need before the
end of June.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
So is the outsource Are you telling us the outsourcing
isn't working. I'm just using anecdotal evidence of members of
family and people I know. It seems to work for
the people I know. I mean, it's not ideal perhaps,
but you get to a specialist if you need to.

Speaker 14 (17:25):
Oh, it's so for the people who get seen, it's
great right they get the care they need. But what
we are seeing is there are fewer people getting access
to care either in a public hospital or outsourced than
we are being told. And the numbers of people that
are missing out on access to that care, whose clinical
need merits that care but are being declined because of

(17:48):
workfuce shortages, which cover both public and private sectors, that's
not being counted or measured. So in realt so yes,
you'll know people who are getting care and are very
happy to get it, and we're pleased, But in relative terms,
fewer people are being seen. The population growth is going ahead,
and access to care is not even keeping pace with that.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
See that's the problem. See, because we're talking about population
growth at the moment, the population isn't growing not that much.
And so I'm wondering if it will one sort itself
out eventually, or I mean, what do you do about it?
Do you need to plug more people into the system
and where do they come from? Or do if I
go into Bellcluther and I need to be referred to

(18:29):
a specialist who doesn't happen to be in Bellcluther but
they are underneeded, does that count as a rejection or not?

Speaker 14 (18:35):
No, that doesn't count as a rejection because if you're
lucky enough to live in Bell Cluster, you're always going
to get referred to Dunedin for that kind of care.
But it is there are no workforce targets right, so
we've got targets. The government has set targets about health outputs,
but they have not set targets about what we need
to as you say, plug in. So we are talking
about decades of understaffing. Back in twenty ten they set

(18:59):
targets to try and get equivalent levels of senior doctor
staffing per population as Australia have. By twenty fourteen they'd
given up. We are ridiculously behind. What I would love
to be talking to you about is that we have
got New Zealand trained doctors coming home and that we
are an attractive destination for the overseas trained doctors that

(19:20):
we still desperately need. But in many many specialties, standing
vacancies remain and there is nothing being done to encourage
people to come back, to encourage people to stay, and
that's what we need to match the equation of access
to care.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Nice to talk to you, Sarah. Appreciate Sarah Dalton, who's
the executive director Associate Sealary Medical Specialists. I didn't given
my daughter graduated. Our daughter graduated the other day December.
I was surprised at how many people who graduate stay
in the country. I thought it was way lower than
what it was, and I can't remember the number, but
it is something like seventy percent. So I was encouraged
by that. Let's go to France in a couple of

(19:57):
moments speaking of the population. That sort of thing in
the whole angst around immigration this election campaign. Paul Spoonley's back.
We got the numbers yesterday. Sociologists. Of course, we got
the numbers yesterday. We're sitting we're barely growing, both rates
going backwards. So what growth we do get is of
course immigration, and we're up at now five point three
million of US. But that's later eighteen two.

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(21:52):
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Speaker 2 (22:00):
Methron Field in the springtime in France. Good morning to.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
You, Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Have I got this wrong? So the second second opportunity
for the Mona Lisa, you're just making another door? And
why is another door costing eight hundred million dollars? What's
going on?

Speaker 17 (22:16):
Well, it's good be slightly more than than a new door.
It's that they're using a wing of the loover that's
never been used before. Well, Louis fourteenth used it when
he needed to go in and out of what was
then in his palace, but it's not been used. It's
a part of the opposite part of the loover from
the fabulous gardens that they have, and it's a bit

(22:36):
of a dusty corner in central Paris. So they needed
to find a way of getting more people in the louver,
getting more money in and making sure that people who
were going into the loof just to see the Mona
Lisa were it's sort of rushing around looking for it
and falling over other people who want to see other collections.
So that what was it early last year when President

(22:58):
Macron said, look, they're going to have competition, and this competition,
we've got to find the perfect answer to this, which
is going to be a new wing, which will be
more accessible and there'll be a special place for the
Mona Lisa. So people can we want to see that
can go straight in. However, just today, in the last
couple of hours, the Minister has announced Culture Minister has

(23:18):
announced that a German, French and American firm of architects
have won the contract to build this. It will, as
you say, cost around two billion New Zealand dollars. Now
watch this space, MC, because the National Loudit's Office say,
going on what the LOUVER has done with its booked

(23:38):
in the past couple of years, they don't believe it.
They say it's going to be double that. The lovers
come back and says, look, you know we have nine
million visitors a year. We'll put out the ticket prices,
We'll get more people in and we'll get there. But
the National Loudites officers said, well, well that's all very well,
but it's going to take five years to have this completed,

(24:00):
and they for one minute do not believe it's going
to come in on budget. And the next question is
will it even happen at all, Mike, because Emmanuel Macron
leads office next year and this has been his idea to.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
Have the Loover.

Speaker 17 (24:12):
That's knew what he called the Renaissance, the rebirth of
the Louver.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Speaking of Macron, Briudgitiet famous slap. We all saw it.
I didn't realize it was part of a book, but
but we given credence to this. He's on the phone
to the actress and Bridgie's not overly happy. Is that
how that thing unfolded?

Speaker 17 (24:30):
That's what the sense to have been. Yeah, I mean
here it does get years ago in his term, Mike.
And as always happens in these things, your power and
control of the information coming from the president's office still
all starts to slip away. Your tongues loosen, facades begin
to crack, and they people start talking. This book that's
come out by a journalist from Parry Match, which is

(24:53):
of course, the Big Glossy as well as Gossip magazine
that comes out once week, has been covering the Macrons
right since the word go.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
Now.

Speaker 17 (25:03):
He says that, as you've rightly said, back in May
twenty twenty five, Emanual Macron was having a completely platonic
relationship with an Iranian born actress. They've been exchanging emails
and they've been exchanging messages. They're on the plane on
the way to Vietnam pro state visit. Allegedly Brigitteman Manual
she saw this, she said, no, you know, and there

(25:26):
was it as slapp.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
Did she push him?

Speaker 17 (25:28):
Was it that anyway there was some sort of force involved.
The Elisa Palers deny this. They said, no, she didn't
read it. But either way, what we're looking at is
more of this coming out. Apparently, other things that are
in this book say that she's been in charge of
the hiring of firing within the Elise Palace. And the
other thing we've learned is that some of us knew

(25:48):
it already that Emanual Macron is not this great Jupiter,
the supreme god of Roman mythology he claims to be.
Apparently he's got this chronical ability to make decisions. He's
plague by doubt. And also we find out, although some
of us knew that, he's made it known that whatever
else happens in the Elusa Palace, make sure that Bridget,

(26:11):
his wife, is always happy.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
And listen. I only got thirty seconds. But this Swatch
thing's the maddest thing going. Have you seen what they?
Is it worth it? I mean, would you queue outside
a shop for a bit of ap Swatch colab?

Speaker 17 (26:25):
Isn't this marketing? It's marketing?

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Got mad?

Speaker 10 (26:27):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
They really have managed to grab it?

Speaker 17 (26:29):
Yeah, tear gus fired at the store in Paris, Riot's
almost outside the store in northern France, the Hague and Milan,
all these places people wanting to get hold of this watch.
I mean, you know, how else are you going to
get an older Mapie watch? Who unless you get this collection,
which is going for only seven hundred and fifty New

(26:50):
Zealand dollars.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Well, good luck? Do you have nice to talk to?

Speaker 5 (26:53):
Katherine?

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Catherine Field? And France, by the way, they let be
in that part of the world let be and prime
ministers resigned. So this has all got to do with
the Ukraine warsaw so Ukraine drones came over Latvian territory
and she was not happy, and so she sacked the
defense minister. The defense minister comes from a party in
coalition with her. They packed a sad and withdrew their support.

(27:14):
So she's quit. So that's how that's unfolding. Meantime, the
largest remember him, Rackcomb lardsh you're going back to the
Bosnian conflict. He's been banged up for ages from the
UN International Crimes caught in the Hague. Anyway, he had
to go in an appeal. They said, look, I'm really old,
I'm really sick. I'm going to die shortly. Can you
let me out? And they went nap. So that's where
he's going to die. Nine minutes away from nine seven.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
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Dead be well.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
He my thirty three billion for five point three million people.
The sixty two hundred dollars a person, I'd confidently say
sixty percent of us don't need or use the healthcare system,
so it pushes it to fifteen thousand. It's true, there's
a lot of chronic behavior and the health system unfortunately
in the bill for that's through the roof soybeans. The
White House has tried to find something that got done
between the US and China. Andrew was right earlier. Nothing
got done. So China's going to buy seventeen billion of

(28:04):
agricultural products. The other thing you need to watch, by
the way, the Friends and Family deal that Trumps announced
today Justice Department one point seven billion. Allies who claim
they were unfairly targeted by the previous administration. Read Biden
can apply to Trump for some money. So he's using
taxpayers money to pay his friends. It's not going to

(28:26):
end well, It'll end in court for a start five
minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
All the inns and the outs. It's the biziness with business, Faber,
take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Travel we will. We're bleeding for travel. Auckland airports have
got some numbers for March in April, right even though
fuels through the roof and we're all going Counterford fuel.
Will you can because you're on a plane, stop making
it up. International capacity was up one percent three percent
on domestic Passenger numbers were up four percent for international
flights three percent for domestic. In March and April, one
point seven million international travelers went through the airport. There

(28:59):
were twenty seven percent more Chinese, eight percent more people
from the US, four percent more from Australia, and the
Australians are already flooding the place. It's talking to a
friend yesterday's living in Australia. Australians don't like New Zealanders.
It's an immigration, part of the overall immigration thing. They're
not differentiated. They're not saying the Indians, the Chinese. They're
saying everybody, and that includes us. Talking to a person
yesterday has sold their house. In Australia, land tax went

(29:22):
from six one thousand dollars a year of sixty six
thousand dollars in one year. Land tax. They've said it's
too expensive going in a house, so they're going to Airbnb.
Where was I load factors. That's the measure by which
you figure out how much you're seating or cargo capacity
is filled with paying customers. It's how you make your profit.
That was also three percent to eighty six percent on

(29:42):
these same months of last year. So it doesn't matter
which way you slice it.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Or what it costs.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
We are more than happy to fork out serious coin
for the business of travel, some of which we'll talk
about in the next hour. Because the tourism industry has
got their big Trends Expo. It's coming. There's hundreds of
people coming from all over the world to look at
New Zealand as a tourist destination. So we'll give you
some of those numbers for you after the news, which
is next here at News Talk S EDB.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
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Speaker 2 (30:21):
D B seven past seven. So what are we getting
for this? One hundred and thirty million ish into the
classroom that was part of the pre budget yesterday for
maths and writing, thirty six more intervention teachers, twelve weeks
specialized courses for struggling kids a part of it. Erica
Stamford's back with us morning. Might these thirty six teachers?
Is that based on need or is it based on budget?
And you would buy more if you had more dough?

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (30:42):
Look, I would buy more if I could. They're amazing.
It's not just thirty six. It's taking us up to
one hundred and seventy nine I add more every single budget.
These are intervention teachers we've never had before, So they
take small groups who are struggling in maths just to
get them back up to where they need to be
and then return them to class. We do it in

(31:03):
literacy as well. We've got three hundred and forty nine
of those around the country and now one hundred and
seventy nine of these amazing maths teachers who take small groups.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Of what was announced yesterday, how much of the pieces
about competency and confidence of a teacher in the classroom
to deliver what you're trying to do.

Speaker 18 (31:22):
A lot of this is about investing in our teachers,
in explicit teaching practice and understanding the science of learning,
so how young people's brains work. You know, there are
incredible teachers all around the country already doing this. We
just want to make sure it's consistent. And I know
that the sector are really excited about some of this
new professional learning and development that's coming. They've done the

(31:44):
first round in structured literacy and structured maths, and then
this is the next rollout and we will do this
every single year to back the profession because they are
the most important thing to raising student achievement.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Do we have Yes, there are competent teachers, of there are,
but there are also some incompetent teachers. How hard a
hall is this? I mean it's easy to give a book,
but if the teacher is no good? I mean, were
we behind the times? Are we getting on top of it?
Where are we at?

Speaker 18 (32:13):
Look, there's no doubt that there we do have a
problem with maths competency in New Zealand and the Royal
Society Math Report in twenty twenty one outlaid that it
said that just under fifty percent of teachers felt only
moderately confident teaching any strand of maths and that they
have to be generalists. They've got to teach maths and
art and science and English and everything, and it is

(32:35):
you know, it's on us. And they have been failed
by initial teacher education that didn't give them the maths
training that they needed. So we are fast tracking that competence.
You know when you mentioned the books we put in, Yes,
we put in workbooks, textbooks, but they go alongside teacher
guides and it's helping to boost confidence and competency in mathematics.
And that's why you saw yesterday that huge increase that

(32:57):
we weren't expecting in year six math achievement by six percent.
And I put that down to those prime maths books,
the Oxford Maths books, the mass No Problem maths books,
because it does give the teacher a lesson by lesson guide,
not only helping the children but fast tracking their confidence too.

Speaker 5 (33:15):
And that was the whole point of that.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Explain to me the timestables division checks at year five,
the literacy check at year two. Why wasn't somebody checking anything.
I mean, that's not rocket science, is it.

Speaker 18 (33:27):
Well, because we've been in the group of a liberal
education experiment that says that you assessing our young people
is bad for their.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
Mental health, which is ridiculous.

Speaker 18 (33:35):
And so now we've had this black hole where we
didn't know that our young people didn't know the times tables,
didn't know the basic facts, weren't on track with reading
until they get to high school and sit n CEA
turns out, oh whoops, can't read and write, can't do maths.
You have to have a bit of sunlight and accountability
in this sector. And this is the first time we

(33:55):
have had not only those you just mentioned that I'm
putting in, but actually of today, we have a twice
yearly reading, writing, and math's assessment from year three to
year eight that has never happened in our history of
our country before. It's underway right now, and we did it.
If I told you this, Mike, three years ago, that
we were going to have a nationally consistent assessment and

(34:16):
year three to eight twice a year, I would have
been laughed out of the room. But we have it today,
and we delivered it and parents will now start to
see those results.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
You're also announced over the weekend. We haven't talked since
since this the A to WE thing, and the union
said yesterday the union said doesn't suit all students. How
much pushback are you getting from those sort of people
if you can't, I mean, if you're going to push
back against a to we do they push back against everything?
For God's sake, Eric or it's not hard, I know.

Speaker 18 (34:42):
But they're the unions that cried well right, they're saying
no to everything. They are a very small but quite
vocal minority. But you know the awful thing, Mike, I'll
tell you a story. If you don't feel will indulge me.
You know, I rang a principle the other day and said, look,
I'm making an announcement. Can I put your name on
a list of people that the media might speak to her?
Because typically, and it happened on TV one last night,

(35:03):
they go to all the union lackeys every single time
the union, ex union bosses, ex union members, and they
interview them. I want them to interview someone who is
an amazing principle doing excellent things, who loves what we're doing, which,
by the way, is the majority. Do you know what
she said to me? She said, I can't. I'd love to.
I love what you're doing, We're backing it, but I can't.

(35:24):
I cannot handle the awful backlash that I will get
by putting my head above the parapet.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
We just we don't want to deal with it.

Speaker 18 (35:31):
And you know what, isn't that an awful awful thing
to say, you know about the state of play education
in New Zealand, whether the union voices are minority drowning
out those amazing people who are doing excellent work.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Rick Stanford don't know what to say to that education
minister thirteen minutes past seven, asking interesting read from our
services sector? I mean, can you believe those stories? I
mean of course you can believe those stories are true.
Interesting read from our services sector. It's actually up two
point seven points to forty eight point nine. Trouble the
forty eight point nine. Of course, it's in contraction because
you need fifty to expand. New orders, though are expanding

(36:10):
fifty one point two. Jobs are an issue though. Catherine Bed's,
director of Advocacy for All Business New Zealand, is back.
What's Catherine morning to you? Good morning, the glass half full.
Pace of contraction is slowing. Is there hope in that?

Speaker 19 (36:23):
Yes, well, look there's always hope and we'll take any
any positives out of it. But yes, you're right, it
is still in contraction, and for services it's a very
big part of the New Zealand economy. So the other
good bit of news in that though, was that the
new orders were just an expansion at fifty one, and

(36:44):
sometimes that can mean that next month data is going
to be better.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
New orders of the future they are, they are.

Speaker 19 (36:51):
So I always look at the new orders figure, but
of course you know this is all. This is all
really the fuel situation coming out of the trouble in
the Middle East with Iran, so it's really impacting both
manufacturing and services, which is a bit of a shame
really because we started the year in quite positive territory.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
But when you say manufacturing, the manufacturing numbers which came out, yes,
I get it, but the job side of the manufacturing
jobs are still I mean, I don't know what you
want to bullish, robust whatever. They're still hiring. Why they're
hiring and manufacturing, but not in services. What's going on there.

Speaker 19 (37:27):
I think the manufacturing reflects that it was getting more
into expansion faster. So the data from the manufacturing side
was looking stronger towards the end of last year and
at the start of this year, so I think that's
probably reflecting the hiring going on there. The other thing,
of course, is your bigger firms are more robust than

(37:48):
your smaller firms, so you might have kind of the
bigger firms actually in a better situation and hiring more
than the smethe.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
All right, well, let's see what happens in the next
month or so, cause petrol's down, of course, not as
bad as it has been. Yes, it's still a hassle,
but it's not as bad as it has been. And
I know by the way I'm reading this morning, straits
running the ships. Ships are going through the strait. In fact,
there're about fifty of them last week. Now that's not
getting covered. Why that's not getting covered, I got I
don't know. It's not what it was. Obviously, it's not

(38:17):
what it could be. It's not what we need it
to be. But I think the worst is behind us.
I'll take that. I'll send you off to the break
with that encouraging news. And I've got more encouraging news
in the moment because we're going to talk about tourism.
Fifteen past the.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
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Speaker 2 (38:37):
At be Michael Kelly. If you don't know the name,
I'll give you some detail, but you look forward to
him after eight o'clock this morning, eighteen past two parts
story now though on tourism. So the industry gathers at
trens Expo, twelve hundred delegates, three hundred and seventy nine
international travel bars, twenty seven country So that's all good.
Rebecca Ingram is the tourist industry boss and is with us.
Rebecca Morning, good morning. So the two parts of the story.

(38:58):
Part one is that you're at the new convey center
in Auckland. So that means people are coming to the center.
Build it and they will come and they will spend.
So how much are you going to spend because you're
all large drinkers, aren't you.

Speaker 20 (39:09):
Well, we anticipate we're going to invest about three million
dollars in the Auckland economy over the next couple of days.
But that's just a provisional number. I mean, the event
itself being in Auckland is really consequential. And as you say,
we get to do it at the beautiful new ends
at ICSE and showcase all of what Auckland's got to offer.

(39:31):
And we've got all of those buyers that you were
just talking about. They're currently getting ready to go off
on twenty two different experiences around Auckland this morning, and
then they come back and they do start all of
their appointments with all these different tourism businesses. So we're
going to do sixteen thousand business meetings this week. It's
going to be a big one.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
So you're bullish in general in an economy that's war
ravaged and we're all a bit down in the dumps,
you're a sector that's bullish is that fair.

Speaker 20 (39:59):
Well, we're certainly a sector that's hustling and got our
eye on making sure that we can do the very
best job we can for New Zealand. So the meetings
that will happen this week between tourism businesses in New
Zealand and these international buyers, some of it will be
about this summer, but most of it is going to
be about the summer after that and the summer after that,
and so the benefit of trends is multi layered and

(40:23):
multi year.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Fantastic. Well, all I can do is wish you the
very best with that, and I hope it goes well.
Rebecca Ingram out of Tourism New Zealand in z ME.
This company did a survey I'm reading yesterday. There are
three on tourism. The three point one two million of
us who are tourists, who have been tourists in the
last year three point one two million. The interesting thing
is five point three million in total population. That's a
tremendous number of us that are tourists. And we've hooked

(40:47):
into tourism seemingly. We love travel post COVID. It's real.
So on one hand, we'll moan about the cost of
petrol and moan about the cost of butter, but we
will travel and we will pay through the nose for that.
So it's an interesting time, isn't it right? Speaking of
numbers and population. More on this in a moment seven twenty.

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I'm one hundred percent convinced. This election right is about
what the economy? Do people blame the government in any
way for the economic fallout from the war? Does the
economic grind make you look to other political answers say
if labour promised more money, was the lesson of the
last labor government not learned? Or do enough people not
care and will take the money anyway and worry about
it another day. Polls will show and there will be

(42:39):
plenty of these poles coming up as the campaign gets closer.
Poles will show the usual nonsense around health and education
and crime. And these are just these are just headline
thoughts that people drum up when the polster asks the
question it's the same question, the same answers every campaign.
Boring is but potentially if there is one issue outside
the economy that is real this time, it is immigration,
mainly because it's been used successfully before to stir the pot.

(43:02):
So the trouble this time is immigration in terms of facts,
isn't a thing. See when one hundred and thirty thousand
people arrive, sure there's a debate, but currently it's twenty
four ish, twenty four thousands no longer an issue. See
the brain drains over. Sadly, those who have left have
gone and those who have replaced them are here.

Speaker 15 (43:22):
Now.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
If you don't like the cultural makeup of New Zealand,
that's fine, but the election will contain no policies that
will change the current makeup. No one's booting anyone out
of the country. A lot of the immigration noise, of course,
is a political ploy has been picked up from offshore
where immigration is a real touch point. So but that's
a legal immigration. Both people gangs on beaches. We don't

(43:44):
have that, never have, never will. Our system is point space.
You get points for skills. Now you can argue around
the edges if you want about what those skills are.
You can argue around the edges over what countries those
skills come from. You can also argue, say Auckland being
the best example that the cultural landscape has materially changed.
Now you see it, you can't miss it. Personally. I
like it, not sure everyone does. But no politician is

(44:06):
going to change what we've already got. And that's the
trouble with the selection. If immigration is an issue, and
if it's the visive, that's a ploy, it's a scam.
If we're being overrun, fine have the debate, but we're not.
In fact, it's the opposite. As long as employers still
can't find talent, and they can't, where do the workers
come from? And why would you vote not to solve

(44:27):
that particular problem? Mosking Mike, the irony schools all around
New Zealand And just had an anti bullying day last
week year. That goes back to Erica's story. What a
tragedy that story is. Sorry, I'd like to help you out,
but I can't talk because I'll get railroaded by the unions.
What a bunch of bullies, Mike Welder, Erika's self serving teachers.
You knew one of the sectors holding this country back.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Of all the unions, I've said this often, of all
the unions, the most dangerous other education unions. By the way,
I don't think it's been reported yet, but Musk is lost.
There's the open AI case, which is interesting for a
couple of reasons. One who won, he didn't, he loses.
Now watch this space because that will allow I'm assuming
Open AI to go ipo. And if you think that
the numbers around AI are eye watering and gobsmacking. At

(45:10):
the moment when open Ai goes to the market globally
and says you want to buy a piece of us,
you watch what the market cap turns out to be.
It will if you If you think and video at
three four five trillion's a big deal. You wait till
you see the money flowing into open Ai. It will.
It will gob smack you upside down and back the front.
Immigration numbers five point three. We're not having the kiddies,

(45:33):
so the people have got to come in through the
immigration channels. Paul Spoony is back with us after the News,
which is next to here.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
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Speaker 2 (45:51):
Quick Word on rentals. The numbers are out this morning,
so we've seen the first month on month increase since
November twenty five, so it's been a while. It's only
gone up five dollars. It's at six twenty five. That's
the national average, five dollars cheaper though same time last year,
so year on year it's still down, but on a
monthly basis, first time up for a long time. The
numbers as always a ropey as all you know what,

(46:13):
depending on where you look. I mean, she's flat in Auckland,
she's flat Northland, she's flat in Taranaki. And when I
say flatter means zero point zero, doesn't get any flatter.
But suddenly in Otigo it's up six point seven. That'll
have something to do with the students six point nine up,
and Nelson three point two, and Hawk's Bay down three
point one in Gisbon. So she's a bit all over
the place, but she's still a fairly stable market at
six hundred and twenty five dollars twenty three to two

(46:34):
eight what apart, by the way, Michael Kelly, Jack Ryan
Ghost War is the new film they've made now. That
came out of the series, which was a multi season series,
and that finished and then they thought, I know, let's
make a movie. So they've done that. So anyways, with
us after eight o'clock this morning. If you don't know
him from that, you know him from House of Cards
of course. Meantime, back to these population numbers, what are

(46:57):
we got? We grew a little bit in the last
twelve months. Forty three thy five hundred joined the gang,
five point three six million of us now fifteen hundred
and twelve few of berths. We've talked about that before.
Of course. Paul Spoonley as Massia University sociologist and is
back with us. Paul, good morning, Good morning. Make So
zero point eight was the number? Is that a lot
historically or not really?

Speaker 8 (47:18):
No, it's not really. It's it's dipped and that's largely
because immigrations.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Is dipped and berths. We talked about that last time
you're on the program. This is for now what it
is that that's not changing?

Speaker 6 (47:30):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (47:31):
It is? No?

Speaker 8 (47:31):
Well, it is changing. Make it's going down.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
So well, that's what it's like. We're not yaw with births.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
No, no, no, we're not.

Speaker 8 (47:39):
And the other thing that came out yesterday is that
the gap between births and deaths is narrowing. So at
some point the number of births we have in New
Zealand will equal the number of deaths.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Is that historically significant? Does that happen a lot?

Speaker 8 (47:53):
It has never happened before, so it is new. I mean,
apart from major events as the Black Death in Europe?
You don't this is unheralded.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Really, wow? Do we worry about that? Or is that
just the way it is?

Speaker 8 (48:09):
It is the way it is because there's no reversing
the fertility decline, as you and I have talked about before,
and of course the increasing deaths is a result of
an aging population. So what leavers do we have? And
immigration becomes the main lever in terms of population growth.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
So just on the macro level, there are certain countries
cultures who are having more children and there are countries
and cultures who are not. And so you do what
by way of immigration. You cherry pick the ones you
want and leave the ones you don't. And that's sort
of the role of ball everyone who wants more people,
I guess, isn't.

Speaker 8 (48:45):
It it is, except most of Europe doesn't do a
point system. We do, so we can change our points
to indicate what sort of characteristics our migrants should have.
So if you've got a PhD, you get six points,
If you a master as you get five points. So
what we can do is is look at those points
and say what do we want in terms of a migrant,

(49:07):
in terms of what they can contribute, and use our
point system to target them. That's unusual. Australia and Canada
are really the only other countries that do that.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
I would have thought it's the most obvious way of
doing it. The other part of that equation, though, is
the demand equation. So it's all very well to say
you get six points, have you've got this. They've got
to want to come here, don't they?

Speaker 8 (49:27):
Yes, they do, And whenever economic conditions are soft as
they've been, then migrants won't move. I mean, it's a
big risk migrating to another country, and you don't want
to do it when you know some of the key
indicators are not looking great. But it looks as though
we're coming out of that slump and the numbers are
picking up, so we're going to go back the population

(49:49):
only groups zero point three percent, but my calculation is
that it's looking more like one to one point two
percent over the next year, So we're getting up.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
There, okay. And then in a point system, this brings
in the election and all the angst around it at
the moment, how do you handle the cultural side of it? So, yes,
you want to bring in a doctor, but where do
you want to bring that doctor in from.

Speaker 8 (50:13):
Well, what you want to do is you want to
do two things you want as the current current government
do and proposing, and that is say, well, you know
we need a certain standard of English, for example, so
we know that there are key factors that contribute to
good outcomes. So having a job and being successful in
that job is important, having a sense of well being,

(50:37):
able to speak colloquial English. You and I speak a
very unusual type of English, and some things we need
to learn. And then what we don't do is we
don't do much post arrival. Support for migration in New Zealand.
Canada is much better than ours, so helping people adjust
and making sure that they're settlement is successful is really important.

(51:03):
So the Canadians provide you with four hundred hours of
free English and French language instruction on arrival. We don't
do that, and we probably should do something like that.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
I think we ever will I no, no, because this
is not news. I mean that story is not here.
I've heard this week the eons.

Speaker 8 (51:21):
Yeah, no, no, no, it's not new. And the thing
is we attract very skilled, successful people by and large,
and so they make a pretty good fist of settling here.
So I'm you know, in one sense we could do better,
but in another sense we're probably doing okay.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Anyway, good stuff. Nice to talk to you as always, Paul,
Professor Paul Spinley Messy University sociologist Mike Will. The population
growth is stagnating in parts of New Zealand. Christ Teach
in Canterbury a completely different story. Greater christs Teach is
rejected to hit six hundred and forty by twenty thirty one,
roughly half a million more than a city like Dinet.
And the growth here is real. It's accelerating and putting
pressure on infrastructure and services. Good. I hope you're not

(52:00):
being negative about that. That's good. I revel in Christ Chich.
I love Christchich. I love Canterbury, I love Rolleston, I
love Lincoln. I love a hokah. I love it all
and you should if you're on that part of the world.
Love it, lap it up. These are good times. The
best of Time seventeen two.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
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Speaker 13 (52:23):
It'd be.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Hey, Mike, you left Sumner off your love list. I
love Sumner, Daryl, I love some of the too, Sumner, Scarborough, Reckcliffs,
Monks Bay, love it all In from the Big D
in Washington. He's been on the phone to the Mirror
of Qatar, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, and the
President of the UAE, all of whom have told him
to hold off on their planned military attack. Now, I
wasn't as sure there was a military attack tomorrow. I

(52:47):
was told there was a meeting in the situation room,
which may or may not eventuate in a military attack.
But anyway, apparently it was scheduled for tomorrow. They're saying
hold off because there are serious negotiations now taking place
in their repeat a deal will be made which will
be very acceptable to the US and everyone else, and
the deal will include no nuclear weapons for a run.

(53:10):
So he's instructed Pete and co. Not to go ahead,
but to be on standby at a moment's notice should
things not happen. So that's encouraging. They'll fold eventually. I
mean there's a lot of back and forward going on.
They'll get there eventually. But as I say that, straight story,
the straight up homos appears to have an increasing amount
of shipping going through. Whether that's official or unofficial, I

(53:32):
got no idea. The other thing I didn't quite get
a handle on, and this is partially answers my question
I asked yesterday is why is Operation Freedom not come?
Remember he had Operation Freedom? Who's going to escort all
those ships out? It was a humanitarian exercise and then
after a day canned it because he thought he had
a deal. And that hasn't restarted. The reason it hasn't restarted.
And I was watching an interview with the owners of

(53:53):
one of the company. It wasn't Musk, it was one
of the other big ones. They're swapping cruise, they're bringing
in fresh water every day. They're swapping cruise. It's like
they're on holiday. The guys are on ship.

Speaker 11 (54:02):
Now.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
I mean personally, I wouldn't want to be on a
ship stuck in the straight up for moves. But nevertheless,
it's not like they're running out of food or water anything.
Everything's fine. So it's a weird old time. By the way,
the most interesting thing I read over the weekend, and
I meant to mention it yesterday, but I didn't because
I'm useless. But anyway, Jane Fair wrote just what I
regard as just a gobsmacking the interesting piece of work
on people in this country who are obsessed with cars,

(54:24):
one of whom is me. And yet ironically, within the article,
I'm not actually part of the cohort of people she's
writing about because she deals with sort of classic cars.
So Jane and her husband they're into cars and they
love cars, and they go up and down the country
fettling and fiddling with cars and all that sort of stuff.
I'm good on them. Anyway. The point of the article,
and you should read it The Classic Car. If you
don't think we're a country of car nuts, read her article.

(54:46):
Because I'm not actually involved. I'm a car nut and
I have cars, but I don't have the classic cars
that she talks of in this article. Now, are there
a lot of people who have classic cars? She talks
about in this article. Oh my god, So they did
some research. This company did some research of the economic footprint.
For a start, how many people you reckon own classic

(55:09):
cars in this country? Two hundred thousand, two hundred thousand
people own a classic car in this country and they
own between them three hundred and sixty nine classic cars,
so obviously virtually two cars apiece. And the economic they
spend a billion dollars a year running maintenance, restoration, fettling.

(55:32):
The fetling is a billion dollars a year. And the
total economic footprint of just classic cars. So like you
look at my cars. I got cars, but they're not
classic cars, so you don't count me, and you don't
count my cars. And there's millions of people like me
as well. But the economic footprint of these people who
run the classic cars in this country is sixteen and
a half billion dollars. Now that's sixteen and a half

(55:56):
billion dollars. Is up with dairy, It beats most of farming.
The car market, the classic car market has a bigger
economic footprint than half the industries in this country. No
wonder I talk about them so often and then you
text me in game, why do you think about car
so often is it? The answer is, look at the
economic footprint. Turn away from.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Eight, the Mike Hosking breakfast with a Vita retirement Communities
News togs had bees.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Given away from it. So we've got a co lab
of sorts between New Zealand Rugby and Touch New Zealand
Rugby officially joining forces to recognize Touches Rugby's official non
contact summer game. Sort of a big participation footprint. Joe
Springers is the boss of Touch Rugby New Zealand. He's
with us, Joe morning, Hey, good morning, Mike. This has
been coming for a while or is it out of
the blue? What's happened here?

Speaker 15 (56:43):
Oh know, we've been working on this for a number
of years, mate, that's yeah, finally got it to a
point that we're ready to announce a partnership.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Good. Have they been a bit resistant? Have they seen
you as a bit of a you know, it's a
bit of fun on a sunny Wednesday afternoon, not real sport.
Or have they always been respectful of what you do?

Speaker 15 (57:00):
Oh no, it's absolutely been very respectful of what we
do and now I think that's been part of the
reason it's taken us long. It's just to make sure
that we get it right before we announce it and
that everybody will get the benefit out of this.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
What's the point of it, I mean, do you cross pollinate?

Speaker 15 (57:17):
Oh, look, we're living in a world of diminishing resources,
fundings hard to get, et cetera. There's real opportunities around
combining the numbers, working together, economies of scale. It's that
type of thing. Plus a lot of people would have
assumed Touch in rugby are together and the same thing anyway,
which hasn't been the case. However, we're now able to

(57:40):
bring that together and show it for what it is.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
How infrastructurally sophisticated is Touch these days? When I used
to pay it to play, it was very it was
Wednesday night, company night, that sort of thing.

Speaker 15 (57:53):
Yeah, there's about two hundred Touch modules across the country,
so we have a member of about one hundred and
fifty thousand, which equals right is Obviously there's a little
bit of cross over there.

Speaker 21 (58:03):
From a prospective of my own board, we have half
a dozen staff, probably ten to account the regional areas
across the country, so we're pretty sparse on the ground
as opposed to rugby, which is heavily loaded, so therefore
there will be obviously some benefits for us there.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Brilliant and national or international? What's do you dabble in
the international scene a lot or not? Really?

Speaker 3 (58:26):
No?

Speaker 15 (58:26):
Absolutely, there's World Cups every four years. There's Youth World
Cups Asia Pacific. We've just played the Age of Pacific
where men's, women's and mixed, and we took out the
men's grades. So it's a big thing. Internationally. There's fifty
odd nations play touch internationally.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Good stuff. Nice to talk to, you might go well
with it. Joe Springers, who's the boss of Touch in
New Zealand, Dellas is just listened to him Delan's Alesnik
No one intercepts like Delan, this warrior's talk. But he
can't run. Am I being unfair with us? And the
number of times I've seen him in to intercept, so
I'm thinking good on him. He's intercepting. Then he takes

(59:06):
off and he goes for the length of the field
and he gets there generally, he gets there, but only
just and the guys who are coming at him come
at him from angles, so they've run a lot further
to get to him than he's run on a straight line.
And then I saw him at the weekend after he scored,
and he scored well, he times that corner thing brilliantly.
He is a genius in the year blah blah blah. Anyway,
he's lying on the ground, looks like he's going to diet.

(59:26):
Him a cardiac arrest, and he needs some sort of defibrillator.
And I'm thinking to myself, geez, is it that hard
to run eighty meters dyn Is it all the hair?
Is he getting some cutback on the head. I don't
know what's going on there. Anyway, listened Michael Kelly, Jack
Ryan Ghost. That's the new feature film that came out
of the series. And also I have to ask Michael
Kelly about the House of Cards. He's standing by Where

(59:49):
is he? Is he in New York? Anyway, he's standing
by you. What do you mean? You don't know? Goodness say? Anyway,
he's with us.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Dead be Hit is seven minutes past eight, right to
Michael Kelly, one of the stars of Jack Ryan not
Jack Ryan the series, but Jack Ryan the new movie.
After four seasons, they've gone feature film. Jack Ryan Ghost
War replays, Mike November and Michael Kelly is with us
from New York. Good to meet you morning, pleasure.

Speaker 5 (01:00:24):
Nice to beech as well, sir, Having.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Looked at the having looked at some of this, there's
a lot of big budget, crash bang stunt feel about
it all. How much is real? How much is CGI
how much is AI? How much it's you know, the
way you used to do it.

Speaker 22 (01:00:39):
I think the majority of this is the way we
used to do it. I think it's one of the
things we take great pride in with this show is
that we do a lot of that stuff. You know
that they closed all London down for that car chase,
and that's that's real and practical.

Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
Obviously the bullets and stuff aren't.

Speaker 22 (01:00:58):
But you know you're getting our shoes and half loads
and having a blast, and yeah, we did all that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
It was really you know, there's some mouth this is big.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
At what time? Because funny you should rise it because
I looked at that scene and I thought, that's clearly real.
It's not cgi'ed. Somebody closed half the city down. How
I'm assuming you're doing it that what six in the morning,
five in the morning.

Speaker 22 (01:01:22):
No, No, we had the whole we had the day,
we had the whole, the whole day. I have a
great photograph of myself standing in front of Big Bend,
just like in the middle of the street. No cars,
no people know anything. They blocked and shut down the
whole thing. It was a weekend, we did it on
so less traffic, but still they shut down London and

(01:01:43):
in front of the Basilica there where the shootout happens,
they shut it down for us. It was incredible. It
hadn't happened in a very long time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Well, I was going to say, does that do Is
that a pinch me moment? Because you know, it is
the Westminster Bridge and Big Bean and London and they've
stopped for you.

Speaker 22 (01:02:01):
Yeah, it's this whole thing, this whole from the series
to the movie, it's all been a pinch me moment.
But certainly when you're standing on that ground that's hundreds
and hundreds of years old, you know, and knowing the
feet that have walked across it and just all of it,
all the history that there is there, and knowing that
you get to shut it down and go play make

(01:02:22):
believe for a couple of days.

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
It's really it's a pinch without a doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Yeah, does this work? But there was a film or
a television series you reckon. Now that you've seen both
and done both, I.

Speaker 22 (01:02:34):
Think that bands will see this as our show on steroids.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
This is it works in both. It totally works in both.

Speaker 22 (01:02:42):
But I think and can proudly say that this film,
you know, while it's a standalone you don't you don't
have to have had seen the series to watch this movie.
It's a completely standalone project. But I think we went
bigger and better with the film.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
It's called old world movie vibes about it, doesn't it.
It's like the movies of the old days.

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:03:04):
I think that was you know Andrew Bernstein, God bless them,
our director. He was amazing and he was like, you know,
he's going back to French connection, and.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
You know, he wanted it to feel and have that
the authenticity that you had in the old films.

Speaker 15 (01:03:19):
You know that.

Speaker 22 (01:03:19):
I that I think we kind of get away with
with what you were talking about with the CGI, with
the with all the effects and everything. You know, this
film feels like a throwback in that way.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
It takes money though, don't know, I mean it looks expensive.

Speaker 5 (01:03:34):
I think it was pretty expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
How does that work these days for you guys? I mean,
is a prime and Amazona Netflix is is that we're
the doughism that allows this sort of thing to be
made of the sauce.

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
No, no, they pay us less. No, it's no, I'm kidding, No,
it's yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:03:53):
Look, I mean you can you know, thank God for
these streamers that are willing to take the the flyers
on something as big as this, you know, massive film
that size and I don't know what it was probably
close to one hundred million dollars to make this movie.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
But they know.

Speaker 22 (01:04:08):
People are going to watch and hopefully people are going
to watch and love it. You know, I think it's
a It's a great investment.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
You know, this is about leagues, hasn't I mean this
this the franchise could go forever, couldn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
Yeah, it has been going for a very long time.

Speaker 22 (01:04:26):
I mean Tom Clancy created this world that exists in
this You know, there's always geopolitical madness, right, and never
more so than now obviously. Well yes, okay, you can
look back in history, there's been worse times. But I'm
just saying it's pretty crazy and it always has been.
You know, Tom Clancy was writing around the Cold World time,
Cold War times, but you can take that world and put.

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
It in any timeline.

Speaker 22 (01:04:49):
I think, you know, these characters Jack Ryan is so
well established that I think it could go on for
you know, not with us, but it could go on
forever and ever.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
You know, how did you see the did the series
the series comes to an end? As an actor? Is
that great? You're booking it and you move on to
whatever's next? Or do you do long for it? Pine
for it? And when it comes back to life? It's
a thrill.

Speaker 22 (01:05:13):
This one hundred percent. This is you know, I am
fortunate to do what I love for a living. But
when you get to do what you love for a
living with people you truly love that are your best friends.
Like in real life, we're dear friends. You know, we
go to each other's shows, our families know each other,
We hang out.

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
Outside of the project.

Speaker 22 (01:05:33):
So when I found out we got we were getting
to come back and make a movie, I was, you know,
John was like.

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
Hey man, you want to make a movie? As I go, yeah,
I want to make a movie Let's go. You know,
I was.

Speaker 22 (01:05:42):
I was truly over the moon, thrilled at the thought
of coming back and especially playing this character that I
just I love him so much.

Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
Man, he's so much fun to play.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
As far as characters go, I had you in House
of Cards as the character. I mean, surely that doesn't
get to be a bit of character to than that,
or does this one beat it?

Speaker 5 (01:06:03):
Well?

Speaker 22 (01:06:05):
There, they're so different, right, I mean I had I
had critical claim and the Emmy nominations from being on.

Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
Ours of Cards, and so that's very rewarding with this.

Speaker 22 (01:06:16):
Okay, I might not have a nomination or anything, but
I have, Like I said, I'm doing what I love
with people I love, truly love to be around every day.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
That it doesn't get much better than that. Man, I
don't have to go to work. I get to go
to work.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Good on you?

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
Or is it more evident than on this one?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
All right? I've got a couple more questions on House accounts,
don't go way, Michael Kelly's will us out of New
York More In a Moment thirteen past.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
It will be sixteen past Jack Ryan Ghost War prime video.
It's out my twenty So my twenty You'll be Thursday
our time, and that's say so, it'll be Wednesday and
America Thursday our time anyway, Michael Kelly is Willis love
him in the line is the tics are coming in already,
Michael love him in the line is?

Speaker 16 (01:07:04):
What is it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
With with Sheridan? He seems to write everything in anything,
and it's all successful, and he's clearly some sort of genius.
What's his magic?

Speaker 22 (01:07:14):
I think he's truly a genius. I don't know how
else to explain it. It's incredible what he's done. I mean,
to have two hit shows in your career as a showrunner,
as a creator, as a writer is a great accomplishment.
The fact that he has six going at the same time,
it's mind blowing me. You know, he writes. He wrote

(01:07:35):
every word of Lionus, both seasons that have been out
and now all three. We've filmed the third season already,
and he writes every word and you'd never get a rewrite.
And he told me when we were talking, when he
was pitching the show to me, which I was gladly like,
hell yeah, I'm in no matter what. He said, Okay,
well all those I said, these scripts are phenomenal. He said, well,

(01:07:57):
all the missing periods in the the commas and the run.

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
On whatever is.

Speaker 22 (01:08:02):
If that's what we're shooting, you're never gonna get rewrites.
And I was like, what do you mean. He was like,
that's what we'll shoot whatever's on that page.

Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
And I was like, all right, you're gonna be called.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
You got to be confident in your material to say that,
don't you.

Speaker 5 (01:08:13):
Yeah. Yeah, And you know, I talked to him one day.
He had me out the ranch recently.

Speaker 22 (01:08:18):
I was I was learning how to ride a horse
to cut cattle. There was a cutting cattle competition. I
was learning how to do it. And he had me
out to the ranch and and I asked him.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
I said, do you how do you do that? How
do you write all of this?

Speaker 7 (01:08:30):
You know?

Speaker 22 (01:08:30):
And he said, I locked myself once every day for
I forget the amount of time, one to three hours.
I'm like, I think it was just one hour run
And I said, and you write, And he's like, but
I can write in that hour. I can write forty
five pages because I already wrote it all up here,
he said, I write it all.

Speaker 5 (01:08:47):
And having talked to John Krazinski.

Speaker 22 (01:08:49):
Who you know writes all his stuff, all the quiet
places and stuff, they both said the same thing, that
they write the whole thing in their head over and
over and over and over and over and over before
they actually go pen to paper or keys hands the keys,
that they have it all on their head before, so
that when they do write, it just pours out of them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
That's amazing one of them. Because I'm a big fan
of land Man, and I'm thinking, this guy's got so
many shows going he can't be across at all, and
obviously he must bring people in to do. But you're
telling me that's not how it works.

Speaker 5 (01:09:25):
It's not at all lamb Man too. I think he
writes every word of Lambman.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
That's amazing. So as an act, when Sheridan comes, you go,
I gotta get on the Sheridan train or you you judge?

Speaker 22 (01:09:36):
Yeah, no, I I know, really, I you know, this
is actually a great, great story. Taylor had callbacks for
this film he did with Angelina Jolie.

Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
I forget the name of his.

Speaker 10 (01:09:49):
She was a.

Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
Fire person in.

Speaker 22 (01:09:52):
The woods, right She monitored forest fires, and I and
they said they were having callbacks and they're my managers, like,
terror you to see you in LA And I never
met Taylor before, and I was like, my rule was always,
I don't I'm not going to fly myself. I'm not
going to go on my own dime for a callback
that I don't have a job on. If they want
to see me, they'll fly me out. And so I

(01:10:14):
said no, and then then I slept on it and
I woke up the next morning I said, hey, man,
I want to go. And I flew myself out. I
met Taylor, read for the role, worked with him like
an hour work session together, didn't end up getting the role,
and here we are.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
It was two or three years later.

Speaker 22 (01:10:31):
My manager called and said, hey, Taylor wants to get
on the phone with you and talk pitch you this
this new show he's doing line as he wants.

Speaker 5 (01:10:36):
He's very interested in you for the role. And I said, Jerry, yeah, great,
of course.

Speaker 22 (01:10:40):
And I get on the phone with him and uh
and I said, hey man, I don't know if you remember,
I said, but I I came and I read for
you for that that angelie. He's like, of course I remember,
and that's exactly why you're doing this right now. He
was like, the casting director said, all right, here's our
list for Westfield.

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
Michael Kelly. He's like, stop, next role. He's like, that's
how that's how you got the role.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
How cool is story is that you seem I read
a piece about you and I said, you're on your
bike and you're a career and you're working really hard
as an actor and you couldn't make it. And it was,
you know, it was the usual thing. It was a
great sort of it was the usual thing. You seem
now to be. This is like as good as it gets.
You're in everything, doing everything, and it's it's like it's
it's it's all cream on the cake.

Speaker 5 (01:11:19):
Yeah. I feel very very grateful.

Speaker 9 (01:11:21):
Man.

Speaker 22 (01:11:22):
I'm you know, it took it took me seven years
to of and not just like, oh, I'm an actor,
I'm going for it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:29):
Like I pounded the pavement.

Speaker 22 (01:11:30):
I sent letters every day, I handwritten notes to casting
directors agents.

Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
I worked really doing off off, off, off off Broadway,
and I.

Speaker 22 (01:11:39):
Did anything and everything I could get my hands on.
And finally someone gave me a little bit of money.
Then they give a little more money and I tried
to never go backwards, and you know, I'm grateful that it.
You know, I'm on one hand, I'm grateful it took
me seven years to start making a living because it
made me appreciated all the more when I finally did
make a living.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
So that is true. It's my one of my favorite questions,
and that is that you've got to go through the
tough times to appreciate the good times. And that's real. Yeah, yeah, fantastic. Well,
go well with it all. You got Penguin and the
Penguin somebody I've read yesterday. You've been cast and it
hasn't been shot yet, but you're in that as well.

Speaker 5 (01:12:15):
No, we did that. We did that with that. That
came out. It's on HBO. I don't know if you
guys get that there. HBO has that. That was That
was fine, That was a good That was a good fun.

Speaker 22 (01:12:25):
I get to play something completely different than I've ever played,
an Italian gangster in that Wild World and Colin Farrell,
it was just it was incredible, man, really really fun.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Yeah, well fantastic. We're looking forward to Jack Ryan ghost Story.
Good to meet and talk with you, and let's hope
we can do this again.

Speaker 5 (01:12:40):
Soon, right on, man, Thank you very much for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Nice to talk to you. Michael Kelly out of New
York this morning. That, as I say, is on Prime
video by the end of the week. Jack Ryan Ghost
War eight twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
The Mic Hosking Breakfast with Defender News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
He'd be news Talks, There'll be, Mike. Another great interview
with Michael Kelly. You always get people engaged in genuinely
sharing this story. It's very nice of you to say
it was a good see. He's a nice guy. I
mean sometimes nothing to do with me. He's just a
decent bloke. One of the great things of having Mike.
I know I won't read that that's too complimentary. I'll
take it home and frame that. Mike loved the interview.

(01:13:17):
Can you wish Michael a happy birthday? We missed that
one twenty second of mate, we missed it ring him.
Now get him back and say listen, we just want
to wish you a happy birthday. He's an awesome guy.
So last night in Queenstown, just if you were there,
can you let me know whether it was a waste
of time or not. So big debate in Queenstown last night.
All the heavyweights were there, and by heavyweights I mean

(01:13:40):
David Seymour and Simmey and Brown and the woman from
Top and Shane Jones and Megan Woods and they were
talking about energy and power and all that sort of
stuff and so that part of the election campaign. Now.
The reason I ask you the question is Simmy and
Brown said he'd been listening to Chris Hopkins. He said,
I took a note of every new idea that Chris

(01:14:01):
Hopkins actually announced in the speech today and I got
an empty page. He's a man without a plan. Good line.
Crowd probably laughed, apart from the Labor fans who went boom.
Labour's energy person, Hipkins wasn't there. Meghan Woods was, so
she said, quote unquote, I'm obviously not going to stand
here and announce Labour's energy policy. Now I'm thinking to myself,

(01:14:24):
why are you in a hall? Not just her, but
you if you were there, and why are all these
people from David Seymour to Shane Jones, etc.

Speaker 12 (01:14:31):
In a hall.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Chloe Shawbrick was the other one in a hall to
debate energy policy. If one of the first things you're
going to go is I'm not here to announce my
energy policy. What's the point of the debate. You can't
debate nothing. So if you were there last night, let
me know and was it worth it? Did you learn anything?
Is this the sort of thing you go to at

(01:14:53):
the best of times? We need to go to Britain.
Nda Brady's doing the business for us and he's with
us after the news?

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Which is next credible compelling? The breakfast show you can't
bess it's the mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's real estate
one percent key we owned and operated, use togs dB.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Mike in Queens Tell my partner professionally photographed parts of
the event last night. Well you go. She thought it
was a good idea, but like a lot of these
green ideas, like substance. At one point, showcasing an electric boat,
someone asked how much this would cost to buy? No answer,
probably because the price is not competitive with traditional boat.
Seemed a little virtue signaling color. There'll be more publican movie.

(01:15:33):
What do you reckon? The percentage of the population that
goes to a public meeting is now just as what
what would you guess be I reckon my guests would
be four percent, four to five percent of people would
go to a public meeting in an election campaign ninety
six percent. Do you know what, I don't know what
the point is. Twenty six minutes are let's try twenty
four minutes yeah, twenty four minutes away from nine.

Speaker 16 (01:15:54):
O'clock International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, peace of
Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
And then here before turning off a screen from the
for the Michael Kelly interview, and Sam so I said,
how do I turn this bloody screen off? And he
goes just down to your lift and I reached down
to my right and he went to me, that's you're right.

Speaker 16 (01:16:13):
On International Correspondence with ins inn Eye Insurance, peace of
Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
I really am youthful. I'm boring on being pointless into
Brady's with us, into how are you good morning?

Speaker 22 (01:16:26):
Mike?

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:16:26):
Great, lovely to speak to you again.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
And you too, rightly? Just this let me boom through
the star of questions. One, but he's got the clearance
from the committee. Does he win the by election?

Speaker 10 (01:16:38):
Two?

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
If he wins the by election, does he win the
leadership vote?

Speaker 12 (01:16:42):
So look I'll answer the second one first. If Andy
Burnham wins the by election in the Greater Manchester area
in Makerfield, he will absolutely win the leadership of the
party and he will become the next Prime minister. However,
it's not exactly a fool proof plan. It is not guaranteed.
He has a lot of work to do and it
seems to be a big battle about Bresus. That's what's

(01:17:05):
happened in the space of twenty four hours.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Yeah, has he put us foot in and on that?
Because I was watching some reaction from the area and
they went, why would you raise that? Now, Yes, he
wants to change the Libor Party. I get that part,
but why would you introduce that when you're trying to
win a by election.

Speaker 12 (01:17:21):
Well, because the constituency he's standing in voted overwhelmingly to
leave the European Union. Now Brexit is still haunting Britain.
For my money, it has been an absolute disaster for
the United Kingdom. I've just come back. I've been in
a European Union country and Latvia running a marathon. You
see all US EU passport holders cruising through passport control

(01:17:43):
and all the Brits lining up in their dozens, getting
fingerprinted and checked and everything being difficult you know economic
tumbleweed as well. It's been terrible. Andy Barnham is pro
europe we know that much. His previous previously said the
UK one day in his lifetime, we'll go back into
the European Union. Now he's been asked that question again
and he said, look, we need to respect the twenty

(01:18:05):
sixteen referendum. So he's kind of he's done a bit
of a flip flop alec here Starmer.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Yeah, how far out of the lift does the libor
Paddy move at Burnham wins.

Speaker 12 (01:18:15):
Yes, it will move to the left. He wants to
renationalize things like transport and water and social housing. It
will be a big shift to the left. And the
guy who's likely to be facing him as well as
the Prime Minister on the ballot paper Wes Streeting, the
former Health secretary, he's very much to the right of
the Labor Party. So I think what Burnham will take

(01:18:36):
great confidence tonight. There is a poll out from YouGov
suggesting that if it is burn Him up against Starmar,
Burnhum wins fifty nine percent, with Starmer on thirty seven percent,
and if it is burn Him against Streeting, Andy Burnham
will win eighty percent of the votes of the Labor membership.
He will crush Wes Streeting, so it's his to lose.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Right if he doesn't win the by election, do they
still have a contest of sorts for the leadership.

Speaker 12 (01:19:03):
Well, if west Streeting can get the eighty one MPs
to publicly come out and say we will back you
over the prime minister, that then triggers a ballot.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Yeah, but Stamer would win, that, wouldn't he?

Speaker 12 (01:19:14):
Yes, I think he would. I think he'd see off
west Streeting. And then you know, it's it's getting to
the stage now where I mean, yeah, it's an absolute mess.
It's a revolving door and the UK will be looking
at a seventh prime minister in ten years. I mean
Blair lasted over a decade, Margaret Thatcher served over a
decade too. It would be the next person who comes
in would be a seventh prime minister since twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
So say Burnham wins and he's the new leader, but
you're not voting till twenty twenty nine. Can a guy
be the Prime Minister of Britain for the letter pad
of twenty six, all through twenty seven, all through twenty
eight and twenty nine, having not been elected by the
British people.

Speaker 12 (01:19:50):
He can try. I mean, this is what Liz Trust
wanted to do, this is what Richie Sunak wanted to do.
You can try and write it out, but I think
there will be an overwhelming call saying you've no mandate,
you've stabs Starmer in the back. We wanted him for
five years. Some people feel that he is legitimately. I
met someone today. I met a guy from Oxford today
and he said, look, I'm not a fan of Starmer,

(01:20:10):
but he won five years. Give him the chance to serve.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Yeah, exactly by the way you mentioned Letvia, you ran
into a New Zealander day.

Speaker 12 (01:20:19):
I just want to say a huge shout out. I've
been so impressed with this couple. A lovely, lovely young
female athlete from Gisburne called Georgia Hope running her first
marathon in Latvia and she smashed it. I ran with
her a little bit of the way, and I was
even more impressed by her fellow Josh. They lived together
in London and he got he hired a bike and

(01:20:42):
he was so committed to cheering his girlfriend on. I
saw this fella six times on the roof of a
marathon and he was zipping around Riga as if he
was in Gisburne. I was so impressed. So a huge
shout out anyone who knows Georgia Hope and her family.
She is a credit to you and her fellow Josh.
Just brilliant people.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
They made my weekend meeting them fantastic. By the way,
just quickly apropos. Nothing the northern part of England bidding
for the Olympics. Now, there's a scoping study on this.
London Sea is Theedic Countcy is London's the home of
all big events. Is Britain capable in its current state
of genuinely pitching for an Olympic Games in the northern

(01:21:22):
part of that great land?

Speaker 12 (01:21:24):
No, I don't think we'd be capable of hosting Eurovision
again here at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Let's be frank.

Speaker 12 (01:21:30):
Let's come on, Mike. No, No, the Olympic Games in
Sheffield or Doncaster. No, look, let's just let's just try
and keep a stable government, get the bond markets right,
get the cost of living down, not have the most
expensive energy and electricity and gas in Europe while we
have unbelievable resources buried beneath the North Sea. I could

(01:21:50):
go on, let's just get the house in order and
then we worry about major global events.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Good on you, mate, lovely to catch up with you.
We'll talk so and appreciate it very much. Into Brady
out of Britain for this Morning. I got to come
back because I played earlier on this Morning The Clarkson's
Farm trailer, which comes in a couple of weeks time.
Saturday Night Live is just wrapped up and there seems
to be a reviewer as to as in the British version,
as to whether or not that was it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Yeah Saturday Night lie of British styles eight week run,
it came to a conclusion. Many were skeptical at the start.
The question was did it make us laugh? And the
answer appears to be broadly yes. Content got eighty six
million views across their platforms. This is the social media now,
that's the virality, as they say, is comparable to the US,

(01:22:42):
so that's encouraging. It's got a second season twelve episodes.
We allow out later on this year into the early
part of twenty twenty seven. But in actual viewing figures
did people actually watch? Answer? No, So Tina Fey's opening
show attracted two hundred and twenty six thousand on Sky One,
which was more than the Channel four received at the

(01:23:04):
same time. So two twenty six thousand out of a
population sixty six million. You wouldn't call that a hit,
would you? Honestly? I mean they can go but on
the social as it went off as though I don't
even know that. That's the thing. Zach Polanski, who's the
head of the Greens in that part of the world,
having told you the other day how anti Semitic he
was and how he dug himself out of that, will
try to dig himself out of that particular hole. Last

(01:23:25):
story I told you was he'd been living on a houseboat,
not paying the taxes because he didn't quite organize himself.
The latest story, if you can believe this, is he
did not vote in the local elections because he quote
unquote fell short of time to update his address on
the electoral register after moving in as a lodger in

(01:23:47):
rented accommodation. When his plans to move elsewhere fell through.
This guy's leading a major political party, you'd argue whether
he's an anti semit or not. You certainly can't argue
around taxes. Wouldn't have thought you could argue run the
fact he can't. He doesn't have time to vote because
he moved from his house boat which wasn't his, to
his rented accommodation as a lodger, and he didn't do

(01:24:11):
the paperwork on a Pratt Mike. My wife attended the
conference in Queenstown yesterday. Her opinion of the politicians is
that the New Opportunities Party leader was outstanding. She was
very impressed with the presentation and thoughts in relation to
electrification in Queenstown and the future of the rest are
the representatives, just bickt Wicket among themselves, were not very

(01:24:32):
informative or inspiring. My wife was particularly scathing of Chris Hopkins,
as it appeared that he had flown in at the
eleventh hour to give Megan Wood's speech. He then left
the stage to leave Megan Woods to answer the questions,
and for some reason my wife was particularly unimpressed with
Chloe from the Greens. Well that's the that's the Queenstown
meeting taken care of ten minutes away from nine.

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(01:26:02):
done about travel. Ninety two percent of us play significant
importance on travel. I don't know what that means. That's
that's got a bit of vagueness to it. That are
not overly enamored with ninety two percenty it's like, do
you like travel? Of course we like travel. Do you
do you think it's important? Of course we do. But
the important part is three point one million of us
in the year travel. That's a threshold we haven't reached

(01:26:22):
for ten years. We've never traveled. You know where we
are into travel. Domestic travels also up, so that's goods
up six percent, spend us up six percent. We travel
more frequently, we stay longer, and we spend more. What
cost of living crisis wellness travels grown by sixty seven
percent year on the year. Now once again, what's wellness travel?
And more importantly the sixty seven percent from what is

(01:26:44):
it from a tiny base or a reasonable base? Because
that's interesting. More than fifty percent of New Zealanders are
considering a cruise. You're idiots? Why would you do that?
I mean, what do you want? You want a bit
of hunt of virus? Mean, for goodness, say you want
to get a bit of gastro. Do you want to
get locked in your room? It's a ten day cruise
and six were in the room. I'm being unfair, aunt.
I mean someone will be listening to this complaining to
a bit, but I mean, honestly stuck in a petri dish.

(01:27:05):
I mean, what do you want to do that for?
But fifty percent do? So what do I know? Twenty
nine percent year on year increase in trips driven by festivals, music,
sport and milestones. That's true because that weekend thing, the
Gold Round, Magic Round on the League. I know too
many people who went to that. It was embarrassing. If
you'd said to me how many people you know going

(01:27:26):
across and I would have gone I five. Turns out
I know about eighty seven hundred who went across, So
every plane was full going across. So people will travel
for events, which I find an interesting insight. Five minutes
away from nine.

Speaker 11 (01:27:38):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Now the NASCAR Truck Series. I've got to tell you
about this this morning because it beach is a woman
called Natalie Deck and now Natalie's not having a great season.
She's had a couple of poor She's one of the drivers,
was one of the drivers. There's the clue. She's had
a couple of poor races. We're in Dover, Delaware. We
she was given a penalty for jumping the restart and
then she was black flagged. Now, when you get black flagged,

(01:28:05):
that was for failing minimum speed. So you get the clue.
She's not that good anyway. Black flag means basically, you
got to come into the pit line. When she came
into the pit line, this is what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
You guys.

Speaker 23 (01:28:17):
I'm trying my busholder hit together, but I still don't
want to keep doing this. Okay, you're okay, we'll just
faster after and I have like fifteen lads to go
to this stage. And if you do not want to
do it, when you get back out here, you can
bring it in. Okay.

Speaker 19 (01:28:34):
There's just so many shitty things that I could say
right now, and I'm just trying to keep it together.

Speaker 23 (01:28:40):
About the director of the series, try to keep your
composure and try to just breathe, and if you're not comfortables,
just come in. There's so many things I want to say,
and I'm probably gonna get suspendment.

Speaker 15 (01:28:51):
You have no idea.

Speaker 23 (01:28:54):
He just fantishus spotter who could choose the garage to
be Okay, I'm sorry, Josh, I'm not going to come
back to the truck series.

Speaker 7 (01:29:01):
Derek can take it from here.

Speaker 23 (01:29:02):
I know I'm saying. It's so serious.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
I've never heard a person resign from a car in
a race. I think that's a first. I've literally I
followed a lot of motor racing over the years, and
I've heard a lot of commentary and a lot of
radio contact. I've never heard a person say I quit
on the radio as they're coming back into the pit.
So not that we were following closely the NASCAR Truck
Series anyway, or indeed, had we ever heard of Natalie

(01:29:29):
or indeed over Delaware. But nevertheless, that's unfolded in the
last couple of hours. We will be back tomorrow morning,
middle of the week already, just like that, and the
sun will continue to shine because it seems it seems
weird weatherwise at the moment. But be that as it may.
We can enjoy it while it lasts, and we will
see you from six as always, Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
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