Today on Politics Wednesday Mark Mitchell and Ginny Andersen joined Mike Hosking to delve into the biggest political stories of the week so far.
Cyclone Vaianu hit New Zealand over the weekend, sending multiple regions into a State of Emergency. But was the build-up to the storm and the response overblown?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for politics Wednesday. Mark Mitchell and Jinny Anderson
both Well, that's good morning to you both. Are you
filling your school holiday?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Jenny?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Sorry? Are you filling your school holiday?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I'm a napier and it's very sunny right now the foreshore.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
No.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
No, we had a public meeting on the job losses
and what he is and in McCaine closing. So that
was last night.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
That would have been a fun meeting. What do you
do at a meeting like that? So you have a meeting.
I mean, no one's making fun of this. It's a
very sad business. But what do you do? You just
sit at a public meeting and do what It's.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
A really good way of understanding exactly what's happening. So
we hear growers, we hear people who work. His workers
had deputy near Ewe and it's really interesting to know
that some of the growers we can use a three
hundred percent markup on their produce to supermarkets and they
think that's the key reason that those factories have closed.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Is that from the hinds or watt Is all buy
the supermarkets.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
That's by the supermarkets, they say, from when they sell
the bag of potatoes or their peas the price from
when they sell it to that to the foopermarkets it
goes into the into the footh markets, it's a three
hundred percent difference, and they said that that's one of
the key reasons why it's unsustainable.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, one of the key reasons is because we like
to buy imported crap, don't we. I mean if the
canny cheap.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Totally yeah. And now that's going to potentially be made
even worse because if there's no competition from good local
Kiwi produce, then it will make it easier to bring
a lower quality foreign stuff and that means hard work
and Kiwis can't afford to buy stuff like a bag
of frozen peaste do Mark, did you.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Just to get this out of the way, Did you
come back from holiday, especially to put on your raincoat
the other day for the emergency or did you just
happen to be back?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
No?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
No, I came back herely I didn't. I just couldn't.
And good good conscience written Bali and the pool drinks
and bintings while the country was at risk of a
severe tropical cyde.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
How many times then do your holidays.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
But it's the third time now, so we've been up
to Bali three times in the last couple of years
and every single has been.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Interrupted while weather.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
But that's the job, and I just want to you know,
like Jenny's talking about the situation of Hawks Bay, it
is tough. It's awful the people that impacted that, but
they if we're talking.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
About weather, the whole horticultural.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
And agricultural sector, they have just been It's been astounding
the way they've recovered after cyclone Gabriel and.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Come back online. That's true with their products.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
So you know, I hope that there's everyone's working together
to sort of try and find a solution.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I think somewhere now, where was I reading yesterday? I
could have been was it cheese? Was it to Pookie
or was it Hawk's Bay? Could have been both? Key
for it was too so they have plenty unscathed by it,
which is which is encouraging. Do you do you want
do you want a bit of back and forward?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Mark, I'm a bit sick of the build up.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Let's try and differentiate what what the state of emergency
from the media build up and the hysteria. I don't
know if you saw it from Bali. But the Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday of last week was just bs. It was just
you know, duck, now, tie stuff down, run for your live.
I mean, come on, it's surely something needs to be
done about that.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Well, hear what you're saying, but I did watch.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
I'll watched for three days the initial build up and
watching the emergency management system activate, which quite simply was outstanding.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
And we have come a long way.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
When I became minister, I had several reports sitting on
my desk, including the one from Sidierrymadaparae saying that we
lose property, we lose lives, and it costs us billions
of dollars because we're not that good at responding and
there's complacency sitting inside the system.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
So I've worked really hard to change that.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
And I understand what you're saying, but at the end
of the day, we don't have the luxury to be
complacent about these things. We don't have the you know
that there is a bit of a shellby right attitude.
And just to give you an example on this one,
it didn't hit us as hard as what we anticipated
was forecast.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
That was a good thing. The system moved out to
the East.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
War, so we got the fringes of it, but we
still had three thousand people evacuated, fourteen thousand households without power,
dozens of roads closed, hundreds of incidents and rescues performed
by themes.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
That's the actual.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Event, Get the actual event. But what you're doing is
that's not you. It's what the media is doing and
the MET Service are doing in the ensuing period, are
scaring people for something that may not happen when they
didn't even have AFO, they didn't even have a forecast lockdown.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
So you know, like you know, I just think that
the number one, the MET Service do an outstanding job.
But whether it's not a perfect science. And I've been
doing this now for two and a half years, trying
to anticipate and make decisions around it's really difficult because
you've got to make decisions at eighty percent, not one
hundred percent. But the Met Service people they work around
the clock and they do all that they can with
their modeling to try and give us the best information
(04:45):
that they can. So so I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I don't apologize.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
You just agree, and that's fine, you're allowed to, but
you you would side with a met service that tells me, one,
we're not sure yet, but this is what we think
is going to happen. And by the way, change you
holiday plans, tie down a trampoline and run for your life.
They're allowed to say that, are they.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Well, I just think that, yes, they are allowed to
say that, because you know, the counter to that is
that we start losing lives. And in this year I've
had two weather events. We've lost people. People have died,
So you know, we've got to protect lives, We've got
to protect property. And by the way, if you do
not get these responses right, they have a direct impact
(05:26):
on the recovery and it costs US hundred dollars as
a country. And look, we cannot afford it. We can't
afford it. Yes, so look in liation of to Craig.
We work very closely with Craig and Warrah. But the
fact of the matter is the last big weather event
we had through there, the communities were very upset because
they felt like there wasn't quick decisions made around the
management of the of the river entrance and half the
(05:52):
town flooded. And I've still got seventy million dollars sitting
down there to do mitigation that costs.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
It's tax pas money. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
We just can't live in this world anymore with this complacency.
And it doesn't mean that we need to be alarmist,
but we've just got to be prepared and we've got
to make sure that we take this stuff seriously.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You've got anything to say on that, Ginny, you don't
have to, but just in case you want to.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
It's always a really tricky one to get it right.
I mean, I think a lot of people around here
when I've spoken to him last night as well. You know,
it's like Gabriel was such a massive impact on the
community and I think there was real consumed that we
would have a similar event. So I think you do
marks right, you miss how often, but you do need
to be take precaution and make sure people are safe.
And we can't exactly predict the pathway of a cyclone.
(06:37):
It is better to be on the safe side there might.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
I take your point completely, and I think your point
you're making is, you know, let's not use language there
is too alarmists and really scares people, right, And I
agree with that, But the important thing is to get
the information to people so that they can make decisions themselves,
because the best response to these events is whole of society,
with people taking some percefuls possibility making their own evaluations
(07:02):
in making decisions. But I do want to defend the
News on this because I work very closely with them
and I always I always encourage them, and when they
make the decorations early and make decisions early, I always
support that because the best way for these responses is
to make decisions early, preposition, pre prepare and be ready
that we can deal with worst case scenario, because the
(07:24):
way that we look on the world and I have
to look on the world, is always worst case scenario,
because every time we don't is when we get caught out.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Right, fair enough, Ginny, did you read Thomas Coglin's piece
over the weekend on the problems that the Labour Party
now have with the lack of policy and standing on
the tiles not being able to answer questions.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I did read that article.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yes, is Thomas wrong?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well? I think of a few policies. I think of
the three free GP visits every key each year. I
think of a future fund which uses state only sets
to build deeper capital markets, so keepy businesses can stay
in New Zealand, having a loan scheme for a GP practice,
so they can invest in their own clinics here, having
free to vical screening for women, and in the video
game development, and I worked on to make sure we
(08:07):
keep you with jobs here in New Zealand and help
support that industry. That's just a few other policies now.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
So is it a perception then, and does the perception
worry you or is he just made that up and
it's not a thing at all.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I think we've seen very clearly that we won't be
putting ourselves in a position we're promising five hundred cops
both November and not doing it, or seeing flux and
promise to fix the economy and it not happening. So
we want to make sure if we make promises, we
can deliver on those and that's where we've been different
this time.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Okay, Mars, I think I think the approach. The approach
is to just try and remain a small target. That's
why you're not seeing any major policy coming out. They
definitely wouldn't know how to deal with the situation that
we're dealing with now. That's why you're not seeing anything
coming out from them there. And in terms of policing,
Jenny's been out with our beat squads that we stood
up congratulating.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, police walk around the shopping all for three hours.
That was great.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yeah, Well it doesn't sound like it to me. It
sounds like you having a garut them. They're doing the
outstanding job. But then you've got that comes out comes
out and you say it's how small the sellers. And
by the way, remind all kiwis the only policy they
had when they last and gunment was reduced to prison
(09:27):
population by thirty percent.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
And look what we got messages.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Five thousand to get two police backs in Australia.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Isn't that true?
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Well, I'll tell you what, So that's a great return
on investment because we got fourteen coming back and that
was that's going to pay five hundred and five hundred
and sixty thousand dollars. So thirty five thousand spent on
the advertiser is actually pretty good.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So thirty four what you're claiming two per copper?
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Yea from one understanding I'm understanding is well, it's already
paid back because two have come back. They don't need
to be trained. That costs forty thousand to train them,
so that's eighty thousand dollars saving. And then we've got
twelve more that have signed up that have that are.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So we are you're going to get the five hundred.
What's the new date for the five hundred taken?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Don't worry about the five hundred.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Talk about all those all those beat cops, all those
beat cops you've been hanging out with, Genny, they're all part.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Of Did you get what they tell you a secret
journey just between you and me?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Well, they really tell you.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
It was pretty interesting in Auckland to see actually what's
going to happen with the move on orders? So you
know these are pretty clear of you there for the
move on orders isn't going to be used to just homelessness,
that they'll be to move them on And that's the
strong view from.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Would you tune around?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So, so the move on orders come in the election
is held in the VMB, you win the election, will
you flip the move on orders?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
It depends how they're going to be used from the government.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
We're not going to they won't of course they won't
flip them.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
They're not going to flip any answer the question, you
might you super quick coming.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I'm going to say, and if they are using it
just to deal with disorderly and behavior is they've said
they would, but not move them on just for being homeless.
But that's something we'll take a look at and see
how it's operating. I'm not going to make a call
on that, but it's heartening to see they're not going
to please say, they're not going to use it just
to move homeless people on. That's what their viewers.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Always a pleasure, you too, Jinny Anderson, Mark Mitchelle.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
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It's time for politics Wednesday. Mark Mitchell and Jinny Anderson
both Well, that's good morning to you both. Are you
filling your school holiday?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Jenny?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Sorry? Are you filling your school holiday?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I'm a napier and it's very sunny right now the foreshore.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
No.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
No, we had a public meeting on the job losses
and what he is and in McCaine closing. So that
was last night.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
That would have been a fun meeting. What do you
do at a meeting like that? So you have a meeting.
I mean, no one's making fun of this. It's a
very sad business. But what do you do? You just
sit at a public meeting and do what It's.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
A really good way of understanding exactly what's happening. So
we hear growers, we hear people who work. His workers
had deputy near Ewe and it's really interesting to know
that some of the growers we can use a three
hundred percent markup on their produce to supermarkets and they
think that's the key reason that those factories have closed.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Is that from the hinds or watt Is all buy
the supermarkets.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
That's by the supermarkets, they say, from when they sell
the bag of potatoes or their peas the price from
when they sell it to that to the foopermarkets it
goes into the into the footh markets, it's a three
hundred percent difference, and they said that that's one of
the key reasons why it's unsustainable.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, one of the key reasons is because we like
to buy imported crap, don't we. I mean if the
canny cheap.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Totally yeah. And now that's going to potentially be made
even worse because if there's no competition from good local
Kiwi produce, then it will make it easier to bring
a lower quality foreign stuff and that means hard work
and Kiwis can't afford to buy stuff like a bag
of frozen peaste do Mark, did you.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Just to get this out of the way, Did you
come back from holiday, especially to put on your raincoat
the other day for the emergency or did you just
happen to be back?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
No?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
No, I came back herely I didn't. I just couldn't.
And good good conscience written Bali and the pool drinks
and bintings while the country was at risk of a
severe tropical cyde.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
How many times then do your holidays.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
But it's the third time now, so we've been up
to Bali three times in the last couple of years
and every single has been.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Interrupted while weather.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
But that's the job, and I just want to you know,
like Jenny's talking about the situation of Hawks Bay, it
is tough. It's awful the people that impacted that, but
they if we're talking.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
About weather, the whole horticultural.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
And agricultural sector, they have just been It's been astounding
the way they've recovered after cyclone Gabriel and.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Come back online. That's true with their products.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
So you know, I hope that there's everyone's working together
to sort of try and find a solution.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I think somewhere now, where was I reading yesterday? I
could have been was it cheese? Was it to Pookie
or was it Hawk's Bay? Could have been both? Key
for it was too so they have plenty unscathed by it,
which is which is encouraging. Do you do you want
do you want a bit of back and forward?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Mark, I'm a bit sick of the build up.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Let's try and differentiate what what the state of emergency
from the media build up and the hysteria. I don't
know if you saw it from Bali. But the Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday of last week was just bs. It was just
you know, duck, now, tie stuff down, run for your live.
I mean, come on, it's surely something needs to be
done about that.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Well, hear what you're saying, but I did watch.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
I'll watched for three days the initial build up and
watching the emergency management system activate, which quite simply was outstanding.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
And we have come a long way.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
When I became minister, I had several reports sitting on
my desk, including the one from Sidierrymadaparae saying that we
lose property, we lose lives, and it costs us billions
of dollars because we're not that good at responding and
there's complacency sitting inside the system.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
So I've worked really hard to change that.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
And I understand what you're saying, but at the end
of the day, we don't have the luxury to be
complacent about these things. We don't have the you know
that there is a bit of a shellby right attitude.
And just to give you an example on this one,
it didn't hit us as hard as what we anticipated
was forecast.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
That was a good thing. The system moved out to
the East.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
War, so we got the fringes of it, but we
still had three thousand people evacuated, fourteen thousand households without power,
dozens of roads closed, hundreds of incidents and rescues performed
by themes.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
That's the actual.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Event, Get the actual event. But what you're doing is
that's not you. It's what the media is doing and
the MET Service are doing in the ensuing period, are
scaring people for something that may not happen when they
didn't even have AFO, they didn't even have a forecast lockdown.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
So you know, like you know, I just think that
the number one, the MET Service do an outstanding job.
But whether it's not a perfect science. And I've been
doing this now for two and a half years, trying
to anticipate and make decisions around it's really difficult because
you've got to make decisions at eighty percent, not one
hundred percent. But the Met Service people they work around
the clock and they do all that they can with
their modeling to try and give us the best information
(04:45):
that they can. So so I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I don't apologize.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
You just agree, and that's fine, you're allowed to, but
you you would side with a met service that tells me, one,
we're not sure yet, but this is what we think
is going to happen. And by the way, change you
holiday plans, tie down a trampoline and run for your life.
They're allowed to say that, are they.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Well, I just think that, yes, they are allowed to
say that, because you know, the counter to that is
that we start losing lives. And in this year I've
had two weather events. We've lost people. People have died,
So you know, we've got to protect lives, We've got
to protect property. And by the way, if you do
not get these responses right, they have a direct impact
(05:26):
on the recovery and it costs US hundred dollars as
a country. And look, we cannot afford it. We can't
afford it. Yes, so look in liation of to Craig.
We work very closely with Craig and Warrah. But the
fact of the matter is the last big weather event
we had through there, the communities were very upset because
they felt like there wasn't quick decisions made around the
management of the of the river entrance and half the
(05:52):
town flooded. And I've still got seventy million dollars sitting
down there to do mitigation that costs.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
It's tax pas money. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
We just can't live in this world anymore with this complacency.
And it doesn't mean that we need to be alarmist,
but we've just got to be prepared and we've got
to make sure that we take this stuff seriously.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You've got anything to say on that, Ginny, you don't
have to, but just in case you want to.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
It's always a really tricky one to get it right.
I mean, I think a lot of people around here
when I've spoken to him last night as well. You know,
it's like Gabriel was such a massive impact on the
community and I think there was real consumed that we
would have a similar event. So I think you do
marks right, you miss how often, but you do need
to be take precaution and make sure people are safe.
And we can't exactly predict the pathway of a cyclone.
(06:37):
It is better to be on the safe side there might.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
I take your point completely, and I think your point
you're making is, you know, let's not use language there
is too alarmists and really scares people, right, And I
agree with that, But the important thing is to get
the information to people so that they can make decisions themselves,
because the best response to these events is whole of society,
with people taking some percefuls possibility making their own evaluations
(07:02):
in making decisions. But I do want to defend the
News on this because I work very closely with them
and I always I always encourage them, and when they
make the decorations early and make decisions early, I always
support that because the best way for these responses is
to make decisions early, preposition, pre prepare and be ready
that we can deal with worst case scenario, because the
(07:24):
way that we look on the world and I have
to look on the world, is always worst case scenario,
because every time we don't is when we get caught out.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Right, fair enough, Ginny, did you read Thomas Coglin's piece
over the weekend on the problems that the Labour Party
now have with the lack of policy and standing on
the tiles not being able to answer questions.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I did read that article.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yes, is Thomas wrong?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well? I think of a few policies. I think of
the three free GP visits every key each year. I
think of a future fund which uses state only sets
to build deeper capital markets, so keepy businesses can stay
in New Zealand, having a loan scheme for a GP practice,
so they can invest in their own clinics here, having
free to vical screening for women, and in the video
game development, and I worked on to make sure we
(08:07):
keep you with jobs here in New Zealand and help
support that industry. That's just a few other policies now.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
So is it a perception then, and does the perception
worry you or is he just made that up and
it's not a thing at all.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I think we've seen very clearly that we won't be
putting ourselves in a position we're promising five hundred cops
both November and not doing it, or seeing flux and
promise to fix the economy and it not happening. So
we want to make sure if we make promises, we
can deliver on those and that's where we've been different
this time.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Okay, Mars, I think I think the approach. The approach
is to just try and remain a small target. That's
why you're not seeing any major policy coming out. They
definitely wouldn't know how to deal with the situation that
we're dealing with now. That's why you're not seeing anything
coming out from them there. And in terms of policing,
Jenny's been out with our beat squads that we stood
up congratulating.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, police walk around the shopping all for three hours.
That was great.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yeah, Well it doesn't sound like it to me. It
sounds like you having a garut them. They're doing the
outstanding job. But then you've got that comes out comes
out and you say it's how small the sellers. And
by the way, remind all kiwis the only policy they
had when they last and gunment was reduced to prison
(09:27):
population by thirty percent.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
And look what we got messages.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Five thousand to get two police backs in Australia.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Isn't that true?
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Well, I'll tell you what, So that's a great return
on investment because we got fourteen coming back and that
was that's going to pay five hundred and five hundred
and sixty thousand dollars. So thirty five thousand spent on
the advertiser is actually pretty good.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So thirty four what you're claiming two per copper?
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Yea from one understanding I'm understanding is well, it's already
paid back because two have come back. They don't need
to be trained. That costs forty thousand to train them,
so that's eighty thousand dollars saving. And then we've got
twelve more that have signed up that have that are.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So we are you're going to get the five hundred.
What's the new date for the five hundred taken?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Don't worry about the five hundred.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Talk about all those all those beat cops, all those
beat cops you've been hanging out with, Genny, they're all part.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Of Did you get what they tell you a secret
journey just between you and me?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Well, they really tell you.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
It was pretty interesting in Auckland to see actually what's
going to happen with the move on orders? So you
know these are pretty clear of you there for the
move on orders isn't going to be used to just homelessness,
that they'll be to move them on And that's the
strong view from.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Would you tune around?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So, so the move on orders come in the election
is held in the VMB, you win the election, will
you flip the move on orders?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
It depends how they're going to be used from the government.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
We're not going to they won't of course they won't
flip them.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
They're not going to flip any answer the question, you
might you super quick coming.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I'm going to say, and if they are using it
just to deal with disorderly and behavior is they've said
they would, but not move them on just for being homeless.
But that's something we'll take a look at and see
how it's operating. I'm not going to make a call
on that, but it's heartening to see they're not going
to please say, they're not going to use it just
to move homeless people on. That's what their viewers.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Always a pleasure, you too, Jinny Anderson, Mark Mitchelle.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
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