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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Time for politics Wednesday, and we find to join us
this morning. Jenny Anderson, Mark Mitchell, good morning to you both.
To Mike, I'm sorry, but what were you saying, Jenny.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I just say good morning to you.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Mike.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Jenny. I'm really well.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I had a bottle of wine to give you this morning,
and I had to tune around and come back. I know,
I'm loving with the pain of getting up.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Reason, well, there's no reason. What this getting up for
no reason? No one gets up for no reason. Jenny.
You're you're in an election campaign. You're on You're on
the pathway to electoral victory, potentially to run this country
and become a minister of some sort.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Quote you're quote you No.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I'm just talking theoretically. That's your reason for getting out
of be in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
All right, right, Sorry, Sorry, I thought you were prophesizing
or something like that. No, can I just have a
bottle of wine to give you? Color sipoena as well?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Ring? Who do you ring? Fedix DHL, Ring, DHL courier to.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Me, pick it up, put it on the one hour,
get it take it.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I am we should have, but we should The reason
for this is Ginny was coming in this morning, as
was Mark. But Mark, once again, who's But We've been
trying to arrange this for seventeen different times. Every time Mark,
you insist on calling a state of emergency and you've
got to stop it.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
He's getting them away, doesn't it That will make it weirk,
We'll definitely make it weird.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Now what it was to be fair, there's somebody you
will a group of people paid money to come and
watch the show and to watch the segment. Now, at
what point, Mark, do they have a legal case that
says we gave a lot of money to a charity
and we've never seen the prize.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Well, I don't think. Well the prize also is that
I'm taking them out for breakfast, so you know, so
we can still do that. But it's the huge fans
of yours.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I know.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I'm not going to tell you he will be too big.
It might fit through the door. But you know that
popular in the country, So do fundraising things like that.
You'd be surprised and people say, hey, can you take
us into the studer host said, I don't even go
into the studio myself.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
That you like.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Trading Mark, Mike, Mark's trading Mike.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Amazing, that's exactly what he's using.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
That bold I wouldn't like. I don't know if I
would do that. It's very bold.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Anyway, we'll get we'll get there eventually. A couple of
quick ones for you, Ginny. So let's not bog us
down in the detailed dance, but just broadly speaking, that
thing that National announced on Sunday, more trade, more partners,
roughly speaking, you're not against that, are you?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Not?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
At all? Not at all?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well, it seems like a good idea, but I don't
think that it's a bit light on news. That's there
are all good things to go off and try and do. Yes,
we agree, and I look forward to seeing the fruition
of that. So yeah, that we're totally supportive of increasing
trading patterns. It's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I understand this morning that you guys have also been
briefed by National on there so media regulation and you've
rejected it. Is that true?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
No, I don't think it's true. We've seen I think
Reuben Davidson has seen a paper. It seems like there
is division within the government on that in terms of
who is supporting it and who's not. So I think
the paper has been withdrawn from the last day I saw.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I understand that because of course that'll
be sort of a free speech thing for somebody like act.
But broadly speaking, you're not against the idea of some
sort of band on social media, right, take it.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You know, we're in favor and in it's looking like
one of those ones where the government will need labor
if they want to pass legislation because both activis you
and First Don't seem might be supportive.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah, that's a good thing because it's about kids and
keeping them safe. So that's good to hear.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Do you worry though, Mark Is and I talked to
Erica a little bit about this, but I mean, you've
seen what's happened in Australia. It's just a bust. I mean,
do you want to put a law in place that
your knows not going to work just so you can
on the day go, hey, look at us, aren't we
call Well?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I think that you definitely have to have your best
crack at it in terms of getting the law so
that you captured, you know, obviously deliver the most good
from it. The reality of it is, let's be honest,
with social media, it's something that's not going away. We
know that it's pretty harmful. Some of it, the content
is harmful for our kids. We just have to have
a good shot at being able to actually manage that better.
(04:18):
Give puents some tools and some skills, you know, some
additional tools from government. I mean, look at the look
at what the mobile phone band did and skills. It's
been hugely popular and very successful. The schools couldn't do
it themselves, so they needed the government to come in
and give them some help.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And that's what we did, all right. Mark the Herald.
You won't have seen it because you're busy doing important
stuff like emerging into the management. But the Herald of
trying to make a big deal this morning, some sort
of official information papers have been released and you've got
the secret quiet job that Luxon gave you, and the
reshuffle as you're the assistant head of the spooks or
the sas or something. Was that not announced at the time.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It was what the hell's going on this morning?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
There no one paid any attention to it. A huge announcement.
It was just no secret around it. It's just quite
simply me giving the boss a hand around National security
and intelligence. So I've got portfolios that are heavily involved
in that. We really focused on social cohesion. We're seeing
what's happening around the world with instability and conflict, and
(05:17):
we don't want that washing up on our shores, and
it takes a lot of hard work and focus to
make sure that we don't. So that's so as simple
as that, give.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Me an insight, Ginny. I am questioned lux And about
this the other day. I'm a little bit worried in
the early part of July that we're into the campaign
a bit soon. There's so much policy floating around, and
you run the risk, I suspect I worry of fatigue.
Do you is there's anyone sit around talk about that
new party and go, look, we don't want to bombard
people too fast, too much, too soon.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
We were all in trouble for not having enough policy, Mike,
And now you're saying.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
No, I'm just not you personally, not the Labor Party,
although that's that's probably a fair, fair, fair jab, but
just all the parties generally, just seems we're into it
really early.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, I think you could be right, and it does
feel like a different election. This is my first now,
So it does feel like it's more frenetic. If that's
you know, there's not like a deep analysis of issues.
We're going through things really quickly. And I think too
that even though you and I and Mark like we
talk about things, if you meet the average person at
(06:25):
Riverbank markets and the harsh or in the street, most
of those people won't know the policies from any parties.
So I don't think there's getting real cut through. And
that's not labor or national anyone. I think a lot
of people are just more concerned with the cost of
loving and getting by. They're not that engaged with what
the policy.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I think, well, I've I've been over the better part
of the South Island for the last four days, and
I would agree with that is that it feels like
for us and sort of out weigh bubble, that the
campaign as well and truly underway. But the fact of
the matter is most of the people that I've been
around the key, that I've been dealing with in the
last four days are worried about floodwaters and issues like
(07:04):
dressing issues.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
But having said that, also Luckson it was off here,
but he held some meeting in Lake Harwire over the
weekend he had three hundred and fifty there. I don't
know what Peter's. We had a meeting in Fungerray last night.
Peter's is claiming big numbers in town halls. Is that specific?
Do you think mark On Luckson's part, because one, it's
Luxon and there may be local issues, or do you
think people are sort of a portion anywhere are engaged.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Now, you're always going to get some people that really
take government seriously. They are engaged with the wider issues
and they're going to want to come out here from
political leaders. But I just think I just agree with
Jenny generally speaking, most people haven't shifted into that, Oh
we've got an election underway where there's a general election happening,
and I just think that, you know, once we get
into the regulated period, all the hoardings go up, and
the flyers come out, and the door knocking's happening and
(07:51):
all that sort of stuff, then people really start to
sort of get focused and engaged on it.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
When do you start campaigning, Ginny, given you're in a
genuine race.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Started already, so we started in about sort of late
March was their first door knocking, So every every weekend.
It'll be one day I'm outdoor knocking with a team
of doors. Oh, probably about two hundred on a good day.
Depends how long people talk, but yeah, not a good day.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
How many answered the door? How many of two hundred,
how many actually are home ready to do something?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, it's a direct result of how bad the weather is.
So if you can, if you can stomach a bit
of rain, then they're all home. But if it's a
beautiful day, then people are out the park or or
doing other things.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And to how many tell you to f off? How
many get agro versus a relatively pleasant Well, we're.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Able to screen out the ones we know are clearly
not not any win near are, so we would like
to do not people who are who are we know
a labor or are persuadable in the middle. That's the
people we're interested in that tell you.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
That they're persuadable. Brian down at number forty two is
a bit persuadable.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
How do you know that, Well, you'll know because we've
engaged with them before. So we have a system which
we can look up people and find out how potentially
you have if they've been wrung or contacted through a
previous local body or general election, and so we've got
a good thing. Sometimes that's not completely accurate, but it's
always a pretty good indicator. I've never been told to
if off. People are usually pretty pretty nice. If they
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don't share your views and they're not interested in conversation,
they're usually pretty polite about it.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
What about you, mate?
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So I've had either had one bad experienced door knocking.
It was when I was the first year that I campaigned,
and unfortunately I had my daughter with me and we
want to do have a guy that was taking mess
and philamine and had so yeah, and he sadly put
it off. But I have to say I'm not very
good at door knocking because I like having a chat
(09:40):
and you need to move on.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I've had I've had a few, like naked people and weird.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Things like you do get matey, is that like a.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Look you just because you're going into someone's house, you
don't know what you're gonna get. I didn't mean, I
mean that's I've done a lot of door knocking, but
you do get some funny. You have to go to
the pub afterwards and have a beer and a bit
of a debris.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
To the door naked, or they invite you in another naked.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
There. I've had like just see me nudity out the
ring the door and you're kind of just like, whoa, hey,
it's okay, thanks by.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
But as long as they both right to the.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Door, give them a French magnet and run pretty much.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Okay, fair enough, Hey, listen, I get onto the DHL.
Don't let me down on that, Jinny. I appreciate it
very much.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, I think about it.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Say hi to everyone and then you know we're kai
koura and blend him and all that sort of stuff.
Is it, broadly speaking, under control?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, I mean has been hit very hard. We had
we had two people, including a ten year old girl,
we needed to get out of cli Cor last night,
and of course we tried to get a you know,
one of the defense forces in X ninety and the other.
The weather was so bad catalogs to a short. We
managed to keep them out and they're both safe in
the Blenham Hospital now, so that was good. Hundred and
seventy people out of their homes. The Maria and a
(10:55):
couple of the community buildings have been used to house them,
and I will try up in the here today to
actually survey something. There has definitely been some infrastructure infrastructure damage,
but overall no that I just wanted to give a
shout out to the to the mayors, the CDM groups,
our first responders in communities. The response right up the
whole country has quite simply been outstanding.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
As it generally is these days. Appreciate it both very much.
Ginny Anderson, Mark Mitchelle.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
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