It’s Friday, which means Kate Hawkesby and Tim Wilson are back with Mike Hosking to Wrap the Week that Was.
They discussed Paul Henry’s shift into politics, Kate’s degree and whether working while studying makes you do better, and life in America.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kate Hawk's be morning. Good morning, Tim Wilson, good morning,
Good morning, my gosking. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm so glad that you said you're inspired this week,
because I too am inspired this week, and I was
inspired by Paul. I'm loving that this election is shaping
up as a series of dancing with the stars. It's
got those flights you just need candy Lane and we're in.
It's so cool. But I love that it's such a
smart move because Paul is a walking headline and he
(00:31):
will grab attention. He's a great communicator, even if he
I know, he's not one of life's you know, he's
not really one for committing for the long term to anything.
But even if he just sees them through the campaign
to the election, he will have done act a massive
service because he's dead right. You've got to get those
disillusioned national voters. You've got to get them away from
New Zealand first and onto. You don't want New Zealand
(00:53):
first being the major player and the coalition. So I
think he's onto something and I hope he's effective for
them because I think it's a great move.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
How well do you know Paul, Tim, not not that
well I've met him a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
You from your interview, you seem to know him very well.
I liked I like the reflective sort of tone that
was that, you know, he's what is here. He's sixty
five now, he's he's a lot older than you and I, Mike,
so you know, he's got got more miles on the clock.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
He's a gold exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
But there was but there was something. There was something
that sort of obviously a sense of okay, so what's
my leg is he going to be? I better do something?
I think what's interesting to me is like it's like, oh,
it's going to cut you know, it's going to cut
National's lunch. No, he's going to cut New Zealand's first
New zealand first lunch. I think because he is spicy,
positive and a bit dangerous.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And he's not afraid of the media, which so many
politicians are. So I think he'll be really you know,
he'll know how to handle them, which I think is awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
It's it's going to be interesting to watch him where
I think. And I don't to criticize him because I
like him too much. Do you like him? I mean
a number of people this week I mean a lot
of people know him, but a lot of people I've
always loved Paul. I think, I think I think Paul's
that's good.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
It's good to be a divisive character. It means you
stand for something and it means you believe in something.
You don't want to be blomonge and boring and everybody
thinks you're a nice guy. That's nice guys, finished last,
you know, I.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Think I like about it most of all. He's like me.
And we were saying that to each other, and when
he was in the studio, because.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
It was it was actually like you. It was like
you interviewing you. Yeah, and then you are.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
No wonder you love him.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
It's like we used to. He used to. We used
to have the best time. He used to drive. He
was living in the wire a rapper, and I was
hosting a show called New Zealand Tonight and he was
in the wire a rapper, running an old person's home.
Because he's an entrepreneur. His dad's really I don't know
his dad's still live. I'm assuming not, but his dad
was an old entrepreneur. And he tells a great story
(02:54):
about shipping chain. He cornered the market and shipping chain
once and the world was desperate for shipping chain, you know,
the the chain on a ship that when you drop
an anchor. And so the world ran short of shipping
chain apparently for some reason, and Paul's dad cornered the
global market and everyone went, well, what are we going
to do for our anchors? And Paul's dad went, well,
you're going to have to buy it off me, aren't you.
And that's very Paul Henry. So he's a chippy. He's
(03:14):
clearly a chip off the old block. But he was
running a retirement home in the wire wrapper, which is
when he ran against Georgina Buyer of course. But he
used to drive over the hill which is no mean
commute to come into the studio when I was doing
New Zealand tonight and he was reading the news on
New Zealand's and we just used to gas bag like
a couple of old women with a shandy and a cigarette.
(03:35):
That was like best of times.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I think he is a hard worker. And what I
love about New Zealand is you can go away and
be a nudist in Palm Springs for a while and
sell your boat around the place, and then come back
and stand for government. I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
But the thing about us being similar what we were
saying is I would if you said to me, as
Paul Henry a friend of yours, I'd go yes, but
I'd have to qualify it because as we talk to
each other, we've not seen each other in years, and
yet we literally live around the corner from each other,
and we like each other, but we're both reclusive, so
therefore we'll never see each other, which is the weirdest
(04:10):
thing of all.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, but there's a camaraderie there because your kindred spirits.
Probably I think he was right said you're both you're
both loners and you don't need people, and I actually
I really admire that characteristic because you know, you might
want to socialize with people, but you don't. You don't
need them to give you something back, which I think
is him.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
No, that's true. Somebody obviously missed the interview with Paul.
So when are you running for parliament?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Mike?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
We said it in the interview. I'm never and that's
why what Paul did this week, because I would never
do what he's doing. But I think you're right, Tim.
I'm just not convinced he's going to be there for
the long haul. He's not a life for on anything,
is he?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
No? No? And also also I loved we needed the
press launch. It's like he just literally pulled a ten
billion dollar cancer hospital out of.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It'll cost a whole lot of billions and but the.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
TU we'll get some rich people. It'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Tricky. The tricky part is when he is Paul Henry
the broadcaster. You can say that and people go Paul.
When he's Paul. When he's Paul Henry the MP that
we're paying for, you'll go, what a dicky. There's another
dumb idea from him, isn't it? That's the problem, Hey,
GGS Cad, he's just quickly down memory lane. You know
when you work for GGS the were you at Uni?
(05:24):
Were you were you a Uni?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Do you argue?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
What what? What's? What's? Sorry?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
It was a restrict club? Sorry, like.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
A restaurant.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I thought it was interesting. Do you argue when you
did your degree in maris studies and debating? Do you
argue road by doing that? By doing that? By doing that,
at least I've got one.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You didn't even go to university and I did not
do all Maori studies in debating just.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It's a little bit, you know what, you know what
my time.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Doing Marty studies back then, way before it was even cool.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Well, Mi's ahead of his time too, because I think
the future there will be fewer I think the sort
of you know, you go to university to get somewhere.
I think that is going to change.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Couldn't agree with it. In fact, ironically, I've said that
for forty years, so I'm forty years ahead of my time. Job.
So my question, okay, was do you feel because you
worked long hours? You also worked at the bakery? Remember
not just did you have worked three jobs through Johnny?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Because yeah, you got to you had you need the
total and you've got time. Why not I used to?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I actually I worked as a cleaner, and I was
up at Radio Pacific standing in a haze of wroth
and smoke, vacuuming the floor at Chris Carter's feet.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And that was This is pre Dyson, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
This is pre Dyson. This is pre Dyson. And I
remember Chris Carter saying he pointed at me and said,
you know what, mate, I could get twenty thousand people
on the streets of Auckland just like that, and then
it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
My question, though, was do you think if you're working
at UNI, you get a better degree or do better
at UNI because you've got the jobs, which is what
this week's research shows.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I saw that research. I'm not sure about that because
you could argue people who are studying law and medicine
and you know, quite demanding may require themselves to apply
themselves a wee bit more and the time might be invasive.
But I do think it's good for you know, good.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
For the sore should work.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Will you give it a risk? At least I got
a degree degree? What's wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
What's right?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Actually? Actually, Kate, you're ahead of political studies?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Thank you very much, thank you.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
There we go anyway? My question, yes, yes, finish your thought.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
No, I just say, a work build character. And that's
that's the problem in in a sort of the sort
of post AI era, is how are we going to
form people? Because we got I got formed by vacuum
at Chris Carter's feet and needing oxygen and resuscitation afterwards.
But it's that kind of those kinds of situations at
work that actually make us.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
How your question for you. So I'm watching Quarterback, which
is on Netflix. It's about these quarterbacks in the NFL,
and there's a theme throughout the three seasons. The theme
is and it's on Americana. There seems to be a
and I want you the answer to your question. Is
this America generally or is this America an elite level
of sport? There seemed to be a disproportionately large number
of religious people and to that extent, for example, one
(08:40):
of the latest stars is their parents have cushions saying
I loved God and praise be to Jesus, and wear
nothing without the Good Lord. And the other thing that
seems prevalent is they all marry their childhood sweethearts. So
the disproportionate number of people. And I met her when
we were sustained, and we went on three dates and
then we got married and we've been together ever since.
We've got five kids. Is that America or is that
(09:01):
we it and just unique to elite level sport.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So I lived, Yeah, I live in New York City,
which was as metropolitan urban. I don't think it's a
place where people marry their child with sweethearts. That's probably
more in the Midwest what they call the fly of
Estates in terms of sort of the place of faith
in American public life, much much bigger than it is here,
no question. I often say, you know, you can't be
(09:30):
president of the United States without saying that you have
a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. In New Zealand, if
you say you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ,
you will never ever ever be prime minister.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Very very good point. Are you looking at this, Christ America? Sorry, Kerry,
carry on.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Hey, I just wanted to before you do a pop
quiz or rate something out of team or strike up
a bit, I just wanted to shout out. I just
I had another inspirational moment this week, Yes, where I
met a woman. She's seventy eight years old, so same
age as my parents. She strength trains, lifts heavy, heavyweights,
heavy than I could lift, twice a week. She does
yoga three times a week, plus she does zomba, and
(10:08):
it's so impressive. There is nothing more impressive to me
than older people who are out there just going for
doing stuff, being active and pushing themselves. It's just so
and I actually think there's more of that about now
than we acknowledge and to any older person who's out
there getting it. It's so impressive and also love to
(10:28):
see it. You're too much today? Has Sam got your
coffee or something?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Today? All I want to do is a segment by
asking the question, you're looking at doing any post grad work?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Oh God, I come home. It is one a loser.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
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Kate Hawk's be morning. Good morning, Tim Wilson, good morning,
Good morning, my gosking. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm so glad that you said you're inspired this week,
because I too am inspired this week, and I was
inspired by Paul. I'm loving that this election is shaping
up as a series of dancing with the stars. It's
got those flights you just need candy Lane and we're in.
It's so cool. But I love that it's such a
smart move because Paul is a walking headline and he
(00:31):
will grab attention. He's a great communicator, even if he
I know, he's not one of life's you know, he's
not really one for committing for the long term to anything.
But even if he just sees them through the campaign
to the election, he will have done act a massive
service because he's dead right. You've got to get those
disillusioned national voters. You've got to get them away from
New Zealand first and onto. You don't want New Zealand
(00:53):
first being the major player and the coalition. So I
think he's onto something and I hope he's effective for
them because I think it's a great move.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
How well do you know Paul, Tim, not not that
well I've met him a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
You from your interview, you seem to know him very well.
I liked I like the reflective sort of tone that
was that, you know, he's what is here. He's sixty
five now, he's he's a lot older than you and I, Mike,
so you know, he's got got more miles on the clock.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
He's a gold exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
But there was but there was something. There was something
that sort of obviously a sense of okay, so what's
my leg is he going to be? I better do something?
I think what's interesting to me is like it's like, oh,
it's going to cut you know, it's going to cut
National's lunch. No, he's going to cut New Zealand's first
New zealand first lunch. I think because he is spicy,
positive and a bit dangerous.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And he's not afraid of the media, which so many
politicians are. So I think he'll be really you know,
he'll know how to handle them, which I think is awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
It's it's going to be interesting to watch him where
I think. And I don't to criticize him because I
like him too much. Do you like him? I mean
a number of people this week I mean a lot
of people know him, but a lot of people I've
always loved Paul. I think, I think I think Paul's
that's good.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
It's good to be a divisive character. It means you
stand for something and it means you believe in something.
You don't want to be blomonge and boring and everybody
thinks you're a nice guy. That's nice guys, finished last,
you know, I.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Think I like about it most of all. He's like me.
And we were saying that to each other, and when
he was in the studio, because.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
It was it was actually like you. It was like
you interviewing you. Yeah, and then you are.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
No wonder you love him.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
It's like we used to. He used to. We used
to have the best time. He used to drive. He
was living in the wire a rapper, and I was
hosting a show called New Zealand Tonight and he was
in the wire a rapper, running an old person's home.
Because he's an entrepreneur. His dad's really I don't know
his dad's still live. I'm assuming not, but his dad
was an old entrepreneur. And he tells a great story
(02:54):
about shipping chain. He cornered the market and shipping chain
once and the world was desperate for shipping chain, you know,
the the chain on a ship that when you drop
an anchor. And so the world ran short of shipping
chain apparently for some reason, and Paul's dad cornered the
global market and everyone went, well, what are we going
to do for our anchors? And Paul's dad went, well,
you're going to have to buy it off me, aren't you.
And that's very Paul Henry. So he's a chippy. He's
(03:14):
clearly a chip off the old block. But he was
running a retirement home in the wire wrapper, which is
when he ran against Georgina Buyer of course. But he
used to drive over the hill which is no mean
commute to come into the studio when I was doing
New Zealand tonight and he was reading the news on
New Zealand's and we just used to gas bag like
a couple of old women with a shandy and a cigarette.
(03:35):
That was like best of times.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I think he is a hard worker. And what I
love about New Zealand is you can go away and
be a nudist in Palm Springs for a while and
sell your boat around the place, and then come back
and stand for government. I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
But the thing about us being similar what we were
saying is I would if you said to me, as
Paul Henry a friend of yours, I'd go yes, but
I'd have to qualify it because as we talk to
each other, we've not seen each other in years, and
yet we literally live around the corner from each other,
and we like each other, but we're both reclusive, so
therefore we'll never see each other, which is the weirdest
(04:10):
thing of all.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, but there's a camaraderie there because your kindred spirits.
Probably I think he was right said you're both you're
both loners and you don't need people, and I actually
I really admire that characteristic because you know, you might
want to socialize with people, but you don't. You don't
need them to give you something back, which I think
is him.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
No, that's true. Somebody obviously missed the interview with Paul.
So when are you running for parliament?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Mike?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
We said it in the interview. I'm never and that's
why what Paul did this week, because I would never
do what he's doing. But I think you're right, Tim.
I'm just not convinced he's going to be there for
the long haul. He's not a life for on anything,
is he?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
No? No? And also also I loved we needed the
press launch. It's like he just literally pulled a ten
billion dollar cancer hospital out of.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It'll cost a whole lot of billions and but the.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
TU we'll get some rich people. It'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Tricky. The tricky part is when he is Paul Henry
the broadcaster. You can say that and people go Paul.
When he's Paul. When he's Paul Henry the MP that
we're paying for, you'll go, what a dicky. There's another
dumb idea from him, isn't it? That's the problem, Hey,
GGS Cad, he's just quickly down memory lane. You know
when you work for GGS the were you at Uni?
(05:24):
Were you were you a Uni?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Do you argue?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
What what? What's? What's? Sorry?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
It was a restrict club? Sorry, like.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
A restaurant.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I thought it was interesting. Do you argue when you
did your degree in maris studies and debating? Do you
argue road by doing that? By doing that? By doing that,
at least I've got one.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You didn't even go to university and I did not
do all Maori studies in debating just.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It's a little bit, you know what, you know what
my time.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Doing Marty studies back then, way before it was even cool.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Well, Mi's ahead of his time too, because I think
the future there will be fewer I think the sort
of you know, you go to university to get somewhere.
I think that is going to change.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Couldn't agree with it. In fact, ironically, I've said that
for forty years, so I'm forty years ahead of my time. Job.
So my question, okay, was do you feel because you
worked long hours? You also worked at the bakery? Remember
not just did you have worked three jobs through Johnny?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Because yeah, you got to you had you need the
total and you've got time. Why not I used to?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I actually I worked as a cleaner, and I was
up at Radio Pacific standing in a haze of wroth
and smoke, vacuuming the floor at Chris Carter's feet.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And that was This is pre Dyson, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
This is pre Dyson. This is pre Dyson. And I
remember Chris Carter saying he pointed at me and said,
you know what, mate, I could get twenty thousand people
on the streets of Auckland just like that, and then
it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
My question, though, was do you think if you're working
at UNI, you get a better degree or do better
at UNI because you've got the jobs, which is what
this week's research shows.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I saw that research. I'm not sure about that because
you could argue people who are studying law and medicine
and you know, quite demanding may require themselves to apply
themselves a wee bit more and the time might be invasive.
But I do think it's good for you know, good.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
For the sore should work.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Will you give it a risk? At least I got
a degree degree? What's wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
What's right?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Actually? Actually, Kate, you're ahead of political studies?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Thank you very much, thank you.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
There we go anyway? My question, yes, yes, finish your thought.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
No, I just say, a work build character. And that's
that's the problem in in a sort of the sort
of post AI era, is how are we going to
form people? Because we got I got formed by vacuum
at Chris Carter's feet and needing oxygen and resuscitation afterwards.
But it's that kind of those kinds of situations at
work that actually make us.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
How your question for you. So I'm watching Quarterback, which
is on Netflix. It's about these quarterbacks in the NFL,
and there's a theme throughout the three seasons. The theme
is and it's on Americana. There seems to be a
and I want you the answer to your question. Is
this America generally or is this America an elite level
of sport? There seemed to be a disproportionately large number
of religious people and to that extent, for example, one
(08:40):
of the latest stars is their parents have cushions saying
I loved God and praise be to Jesus, and wear
nothing without the Good Lord. And the other thing that
seems prevalent is they all marry their childhood sweethearts. So
the disproportionate number of people. And I met her when
we were sustained, and we went on three dates and
then we got married and we've been together ever since.
We've got five kids. Is that America or is that
(09:01):
we it and just unique to elite level sport.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So I lived, Yeah, I live in New York City,
which was as metropolitan urban. I don't think it's a
place where people marry their child with sweethearts. That's probably
more in the Midwest what they call the fly of
Estates in terms of sort of the place of faith
in American public life, much much bigger than it is here,
no question. I often say, you know, you can't be
(09:30):
president of the United States without saying that you have
a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. In New Zealand, if
you say you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ,
you will never ever ever be prime minister.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Very very good point. Are you looking at this, Christ America? Sorry, Kerry,
carry on.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Hey, I just wanted to before you do a pop
quiz or rate something out of team or strike up
a bit, I just wanted to shout out. I just
I had another inspirational moment this week, Yes, where I
met a woman. She's seventy eight years old, so same
age as my parents. She strength trains, lifts heavy, heavyweights,
heavy than I could lift, twice a week. She does
yoga three times a week, plus she does zomba, and
(10:08):
it's so impressive. There is nothing more impressive to me
than older people who are out there just going for
doing stuff, being active and pushing themselves. It's just so
and I actually think there's more of that about now
than we acknowledge and to any older person who's out
there getting it. It's so impressive and also love to
(10:28):
see it. You're too much today? Has Sam got your
coffee or something?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Today? All I want to do is a segment by
asking the question, you're looking at doing any post grad work?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Oh God, I come home. It is one a loser.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
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