Full Show Podcast: 02 February 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp
from news Talks at b Meason twice God once, but
maybe called Pete first. Peter wolf Camp, the Resident Builder
News Talk said by.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
The house is a hole even when it's.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Dark, even when the grass is overgrown in the yard,
and even when the dog is.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Too old to bar, and when you're sitting at the
table trying not to starve, scissor home even.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
When we are benn even when you're therellone.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
House is a home even when there's gone, Even.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
When you go around funnel one, you love your more.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Scream does broken pans appeing in funnel locals vestible when
they're gone, leaving the neighbors, even when we'll run, even
when you're there alone.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
Well, a very good morning and welcome along to the
Resident Builder on Sunday with me Peter wolf Camp, the
Resident Builder. And this is your opportunity to have a
good old fashioned chin wag about projects that you might
have on. And a project might involve the people involved,
the contractors, subcontractors, designers, litigants, neighbors, et cetera. It might

(02:01):
involve the the items that you need, the products that
you might need to complete a task. It might even
involve the items that you need in order to actually
undertake the work. I the tools that you might need.
It might be the rules and regulations. It may well
be some of the issues and challenges that come along

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as an inevitable part of building and construction. So it's
all there on the table today. Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call if you've got
a building question, call us now. Quick rundown of the show.
This morning, Jay Sharples, our razine painting expert, will join
us for the first time this year. We had his

(02:42):
colleague Bryce on the show a little while ago, so
Jay I'll be with us at around seven twenty this morning.
If you've got any specific painting questions and please text
them through to nine to nine two, which is SAIDBZB
on your mobile phone. A little later, we're going to
catch up with Mark Haldane from Sweetwater Construction and just
have a look at his use of tryboard and of

(03:05):
Jnel's jayframe as well, so we're quick chat about that.
As always, is available from eight point thirty this morning,
so the lines are open. The number to call eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. I'll give you a bit
of a rundown of what I've been up to as well,
a week of I was going to say, contrasts in
the sense that I went to a seminar. It's got

(03:27):
to be at least ten years ago. It might even
be a little bit longer than that, excuse me. And
the one of the ideas that was introduced, and it
was more a sort of general thing around housing, and
it talked about the housing spectrum in the sense that
often when we talk about house and we tend to

(03:47):
get focused on the image that we sometimes have in
our head, which is, you know, house New Zealand. I'll
tell her it's a single dwelling on a piece of
land with some space around it, with a packet fence
at the at the front, et cetera. And our housing
types are more varied than that, and our housing in
terms of whether it's public owned, private owned, whether it's

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basically cheap or expensive, you know, low cost or extremely expensive.
There is this spectrum and most of our housing sits
somewhere in the middle, if you know, the old Bell
curve from statistics at school. But there's housing on both
extremes as well, So in that sense, I've I've in
a way had an opportunity to have a look at
both ends of that spectrum over the course of the week. Confusing,

(04:33):
I know, but don't worry. Stick with us. I'll explain
what I mean a bit later on this morning. But
right now let's rip into it. The lines are open.
The number to call eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Trust
that you've had a good week and what have we
got this week? Of course, couple of days of work
and then white Tony Day on Thursday, and then back
to work Friday, Yes, back to work Friday, and then

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another weekend ahead. So eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. And looking forward to having your
calls and your conversation this morning. We're into it straight away.
Rub good morning to you.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
Yeah, h Pete's ready here.

Speaker 7 (05:10):
Rung your cup God, rung you a couple of times
regarding this issue.

Speaker 6 (05:15):
Last time just before Christmas.

Speaker 7 (05:18):
Just a reminder, we bought a show home with a
half of our son.

Speaker 6 (05:23):
About seven years ago.

Speaker 7 (05:24):
Now, discovered about six months ago that paint was bubbling
off a wall behind.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
It, on the opposite side of a shower. And then
I'm sweet.

Speaker 7 (05:35):
Rang the builder went down there because it's a long
way away from Auckland where we're living. Had just had
discussions with him. His basic answer was, it's maintenance. You
haven't maintained the grout, the tiles, the silicon, you know,
not our problem. While he was while while I was
down there, I discovered in the main bathroom a toadstool

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growing in the carpet and the carpet was soaking wet.

Speaker 6 (06:03):
So he had a look at that, and you know,
same issue maintenance.

Speaker 7 (06:07):
Anyway, after months of discussions, we got no where. Went
to the main franchise holder, the head office. They didn't
want to get involved because as far as they were concerned,
the builder didn't agree with anything we said.

Speaker 8 (06:22):
So I rang you before Christmas.

Speaker 7 (06:24):
You advised maybe getting a building surveyor, and so we
went to our insurance company, which the builder wanted us
to do, but we knew that wouldn't be covered because
it's slow water damage which they don't cover. So we
organized for our assessor to come in and have a
look and organize the building surveyor to come in and

(06:45):
have a look.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
They produced two reports.

Speaker 7 (06:48):
Stating that the tiling and the bathrooms both bathrooms was
non compliant with the code because of tiles sloped away
from the showers instead of towards the showers. So in
the meantime we got the property file and having been
in the building industry all my life, went through it

(07:09):
like a forensic scientist and discovered half another half a
dozen other issues which were non compliant.

Speaker 6 (07:17):
With the with the code.

Speaker 7 (07:21):
And then there was another major problem where all the
safites are villaboard porches and cefits and all the joints
were cracking and the tape was falling out.

Speaker 6 (07:34):
Spoke to the.

Speaker 7 (07:35):
Builder again about two weeks ago, and he knew nothing
about all these other issues we had, but we gave
him the reports from the building assessor and from the
insurance assessor, plus the building surveyor. Wow, and he was
still not really agreeing with anything that was said. So

(08:00):
after that meeting, the tyler left and we promptly took
the book the book around the building and showed them
all these half half a dozen other issues which he
couldn't really argue with. They were pretty black and white,
and he probably well sort of left the site feeling probably.

Speaker 6 (08:20):
Quite down, and I think he had a few sleepless nights.

Speaker 7 (08:24):
Anyway, we met again about a week later, which was
about a week ago, and we had discussions and he
finally agreed to cover all the costs of the repairs.
And you know, it's taken six months of absolute you know, stress.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
And yeah, you know, but we finally got where we
needed to be.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
And I can understand from your point of view, Wow,
you know, it must seem like a lot of effort
on your part to get to hear I'm looking at it,
I suppose contrasting it to other situations, I understand, and
you just go, wow, if you've and especially if you've

(09:11):
gotten a writing and he's actually going to follow through
with the promises, it's actually.

Speaker 7 (09:17):
I think we realizes that, you know, he's been sort
of backed into a corner. One of one of the
things he did say at the final meeting we had
with him that because insurances could be involved, yes, his
approach has to be deny, deny, deny, because he can't
admit if you're looking at coverent with insurance, you are

(09:42):
not allowed to admit that you're at fault because that's
the way insurance works. Yeah, you know, and that's it's
very frustrating when you. You know, you sort of got
all this evidence and it's piling up against him, and
he still got us back against the wall, going, you know,
not my problem, not my problem, you know, yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
Because you're right, his his insurer. And look, it's no
different to you and I if we're in a car crash,
for example, you know, surer would say, don't admit liability, right,
take it responsibility. Look, I think I know it's it's
been a bit of a tortuous approach. I'm certainly delighted that.

(10:23):
I guess the beauty of getting you know, making it
evidence based. Right, So you've done the right thing. You've
gone out to a building professional, I a registered building server.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
It's cost us thousands of dollars.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
I can imagine, yep. And and will those costs be reimbursed?
I suppose you'd look at that and just go, look,
maybe I'm just gonna have to suck that up.

Speaker 6 (10:44):
And yeah, he suggested possibly.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Okay, again, if it's through insurance, it probably should be.
When you say just a final thing, they're gonna move on.
But the so, the constructor who did the work all
those years ago obviously has insurance for his work, and
in that sense.

Speaker 6 (11:03):
Well, I don't know, Okay, talking.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
To insurance, so it might get a concruence.

Speaker 7 (11:09):
Covers it or we don't know. But I been talking
to master Builders because we have a master Builders warranty, yep,
Ike been talking, you know.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
So they might come to the party as well.

Speaker 6 (11:22):
Where he's going.

Speaker 7 (11:23):
The tyler apparently has insurance, so they've been discussing.

Speaker 6 (11:27):
The tiler's been discussed with his insurance.

Speaker 7 (11:29):
Or but again I don't know whether their insurance covers it.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
To be honest, it will be really really interesting. Hey,
I really do appreciate the update because I think, yeah,
there's there's a lot of really good lessons in it.
But I'm particularly delighted at the fact that I suppose
by presenting evidence. You know, so often when we go
into these sorts of discussions, it's like I think, or

(11:53):
you know, I think it should be better or whatever.
But in this case, when you can go here, I've
had a registered building surveyor who has this qualification in
order to prove their ability to make these comments. And
here is the evidence. This is what's been done. This
is what the code states. The two don't line up. Therefore,
this work is below the code. I mean you know,

(12:14):
unless he wants to go and argue and get a
determination or something like that.

Speaker 7 (12:18):
He's, well, that's the other option we put to him,
but he didn't be he's.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
He's snucking all that. Yeah, good on you look and
now I guess the hopeful thing is that it happens
in a timely fashion. But the great thing is that
you've got an indication, an intent to get this sorted,
and that that must feel really good. Rudy, thanks very much,
really appreciate that, ud Take care. Yeah, made, I bet,
I bet pleasure all the best. Oh, eight hundred eighty

(12:42):
ten eighty nine, two ninety two. Someone's just text through
they'd like to email, of course you can. It is
Pete at Newstalk SIDB dot co dot nz. So p
e t E just Pete at Newstalk, SAIDB dot co
dot n Z. It's coming up nineteen minutes. Is just
nineteen minutes after six. If you'd like to join us,
we've got Ray Wend next, but there's space for you
after that. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

(13:03):
to call.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Doing of the house sorting the garden last feet for
a hand the resident builder with Peter wolfcab call oh
eight hundred eight youth dogs envy.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
I guess if you're listening to the show over the
last little while, probably for years, you tend to get
the indication that, you know, like all tiled showers end
up with issues of some description. And that's me and
that's what we were talking about with Rudy. It's what
we'll talk about with Raywan in a moment. I think
as well, we've had any number of calls about you know,

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someone discovers that there's a damp patch on the carpet
on the other side of the wall from the shower,
or in this case mold growing in the shower, or
a toadstool growing in the shower. That's pretty sure signed
that there's some issues with the waterproofing. I think it's
fair to say though that there's I mean, I know
literally hundreds of showers that have been tiled, waterproof tiled
over ten, fifteen, twenty years later, no issue, which just

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emphasizes the fact that you can do it properly. They
don't have to fail. They shouldn't fail if you read
the instructions, do what's on the instructions, and you suitably
qualified and experienced trades people to undertake the work. They'll
be absolutely fine, right Raywn, let us know where you're
at now, this is your place in a retirement village.

(14:22):
We've chatted a few times about this. Finally they're going
to fix it.

Speaker 8 (14:26):
How are you going, Well, I've ripped it all a part.

Speaker 9 (14:29):
I'm staying with a friend. It was rotten all the
way round. Part of it was rotten, mulled all the
way around. It was had been leaking and apart it
in two places in the shower, so it's been a
part the heat to put in to dry it all out,
and then they sprayed it with ganola and now the
jib's back on. So it's I just wanted to give

(14:49):
you a quick update. I was right and it was
leaking them underneath the tiles and so all of being
done to fix it, and the waterproofing was minimal underneath it, right, Yeah,
So yes, I'm glad that I've picked it up. It
took four months to get them to do something about it,
but that's on the way.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
Yeah, fantastic, And so you'll have a fully functioning and
water proof shower in what a couple of weeks time, maybe.

Speaker 9 (15:20):
Seen four days now, so it'll be it'll be a
little while. So yeah, So that thanks for listening to me,
and I just wanted to give you enough to say
that it's being discovered and the need and underway.

Speaker 5 (15:32):
Fantastic. That's great, Really appreciate the update. Just in terms
of making mistakes is a phrase that we use on
site quite a lot, but I just can't repeat it
on the air. But it's along the lines of it's
not if you can fix it right, And the reality
of actually making things is that sometimes you do make mistakes,

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and then at that point where you do make mistakes,
it's really just all about the fixing thereof mistakes. Not inevitable,
but they do happen. This is the nature of life,
I guess. So once you have made a mistake, then
what's really important is putting it right. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty number to call. Yes, just to that

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email or to the text you'd like to email. It's
Pete ATNEWSTALKZB dot co dot NZ. This is an interesting
one too, sh I'll come back to that one. That's
all but technical at this stage. This one got my attention.
It came in pretty soon after the show started what

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triggers a resource consent for a retaining wall adding it
into a building consent. In a situation where I need
to retain a three meter high slope, which is fairly
extensive looking at a series of terraces, to reduce the
height of each one to say six hundred high, I'm
going to use these large pre made concrete blocks six
hundred by six hundred by fifteen hundred, so they are

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about twelve hundred kilos each. Criky. So do the terraces
and is there a distance between each retaining wall soils
expansive but stable as per the soil report, I think
in a nutshell, you're probably going to have to have
definitely need specific design by your engineer as to the

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construction of the wall. So there might be, for example,
a minimum distance between the front face of each wall
to ensure that the surcharge of the retaining block is
not loading up on the block below. So that might
mean that you've got to be let's say, from front
face to front face of each of those terraces a

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meter and a half back. It won't necessarily be able
to be done where they stack them on top of
each other, or just with a minimal gap. It's specific design. Certainly,
anything above one point five meters requires specific design for
any type of retaining wall three meters definitely in terms
of resource consent. Typically that would only be triggered if

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there was bulk excavations to do, or you're going to
raise a building platform, which would then raise your entire
building up above the heightened relation to boundary. Heightened relation
to boundary is this sort of imaginary line that exists
along a boundary where all buildings have to comply with.

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So you take a line at the boundary, you go
up a required height. It might be anywhere from two
point four to two point seven, possibly a bit higher,
and then you imagine a recession plane, so an angle
from there, depending on which side of the boundary on
it might be forty five degrees, it might be thirty degrees.
And then it's expected that your building sits within that line.

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There's an ability to infringe that, but then to infringe
might require a building resource consent, either approval from the
neighbors or in some cases the planners can say, look,
the effects are less than minor, often for gable ends
and dormers and those sorts of things. So I wonder
whether it's that part of the building that requires the

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resource consent because of the height or the bulk of
the excavation. The building consent will cover the rest of it.
I would definitely get specific engineering advice and design for
a retaining wall of that height, particularly if at the
top of it you've either got your building platform sitting
on it, or for example, if you've got a driveway,

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So if there's a surcharge of a driveway, no matter
how high the retaining wall is, that also then triggers
the requirement for specific design and especially a building consent.
I hope that makes sense. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. If you've got a question
of a building nature, you should call us right now.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

(19:51):
a little bit later on. We've got our painting expert,
Jay Sharples from Razine. He'll be with us at around
seven twenty this morning. So if you've got any specific
painting questions, it is nine two ninety two that you
can send those questions through and will have a chat
with Jay from Razine a little bit later on. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call back

(20:12):
in a moment.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
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how to fix that hole in the wall. Do you
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Speaker 5 (20:23):
I was just thinking with the conversations around leaking showers
and that I was involved in a situation or engage
with a discussion dispute I guess around waterproofing, and in
fact we're doing the opposite, proving that the leak didn't
come from the shower in a particular situation this week.

(20:46):
And look, really one of the really simple ways of
doing that, and we often do it with testing of
waterproofing integrity prior to tiling, is to do the waterproofing,
allowed the time to cure properly so that it's actually
ready to use, and then flood the basin. This is
I suppose you can't really do it or can't do
it easily on a level entry. But if there's a

(21:08):
hob for example, around a tile shower enclosure and you
fully waterproofed it, you can just use a balloon basically
or something similar to plug the drain and then flood it.
So just fill it with water and wait and if
mark it on the wall or put a bit of
masking tape on or something like that. And if you

(21:29):
come back after twenty four hours and the levels drop,
then hey, chances are you got a leak. Come back
after twenty four hours and it has moved it all, well,
then it's probably going to stay water tight and durable
for many, many years to come. So there you go.
There's a handy one. Always good to have a balloon
in the back of the truck. I say, oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call

(21:50):
a couple of other techs that have come through. And
now I think there's a bit more to this, retaining
War one. It's thirty meters from boundary. It's about six
or eight meters across. I need to cut a slope
into provide a crane footing or crane access. So it's
temporary only for a few months again, sure, or why
then if it is temporary, it would still require I
think you should still get specific design on it, particularly

(22:13):
if and if you're like me and you spend a
bit of time watching funny videos online. Crane's toppling over
because the ground is unstable, is not a lot of
fun for anyone involved. So if you are going to
sit a crane on it and you definitely want to
make sure that your retaining wall is up to the job,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you've got some building questions. We can take

(22:34):
those interesting. I had one of those weeks where a
little bit of traveling chop went down to Hamilton to
have a look at a show home of a three
D printed house that's been completed and is available for
people to have a look at, and I guess ultimately
they're going to sell it as well. We'll talk a

(22:55):
little bit more about that. But later on also went
to a factory that does not modular homes transportable homes,
so had to wander through that just to see the
pro and the construction and the methodology and the planning
that goes into those sorts of projects, which was pretty
impressive as well. And then on Friday went along to

(23:17):
a mid build open home of a what will be
a passive house and a passive house plus. So it's
a passive house which is all about air tightness, super
well insulated, full ventilation heat recovery system involved imported joinery
with triple glazing in it, massive amounts of insulation. The

(23:39):
insulation in the ceiling was effectively R point R eight
eight point zero. Bearing in mind we all freaked out
when the building code changed and if you went to
the schedule method you had to go to R six
point six. This has gone to R eight. The beauty
of these things is that it's an opportunity to go
through the building before it's finished. We can all go

(24:01):
to a house at the end and go, oh, that's
really cool, But all we're looking at is the finish
So the ability to go and look through and to
see the construction and the detailing around trying to get
air tightness using the right tapes, the way that the
joinery has been installed, all of those construction details, and
having the architect and its foremanths the SIPs panel people

(24:23):
out of christ Church they supplied the panels. Darryl Sang
was the architect. Builders were outstanding, very high quality work,
so quite a variety in terms of what I had
a chance to have a look at. This passive house too,
by the way, will be sort of certified as passive
house plus because of the ability to generate power from

(24:44):
solar panels. Quite possibly it will generate more power than
it will use over a year, which is pretty cool. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've got a project underweight,
let us know and let's talk about it. The lines
are open right now. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Squeaky door or squeaky floor, get the right advice. It's
a Beautibulfcare the resident builder on news talks AB your.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
News Talks AB. It's coming up nineteen minutes away from
seven o'clock. Remember, in the next hour, we've got Jay Sharples,
our painting expert from Razine. He's going to be available
at around seven twenty this morning. Stuff. You've got any
specific painting questions, please text them through and we can
run through that. I mean, it feels like at this
time of year it's always that perfect outdoor painting time.

(25:34):
Staying out of the sun, of course is pretty important,
but in general we know that the weather's a little
bit more stable and when you can get stuck into it. Certainly,
I think even this week I'll probably be able to
crack into a couple of little painting and maintenance jobs
around the place as well, So looking forward to that
if the weather state plays ball this week. Another text
that's come through from Sam, and it's a little bit technical,

(25:59):
so it's probably a more trade orientated get ape. He says,
I'm running a project in last week. I asked the
bricklayer to use fifty milimeter screws for the ties. So
if you've ever watched bricklayers working doing a brick veneer
on timber framing or whatever substrate or framing behind it,
every couple of courses, they'll run in like a little

(26:21):
l bracket which gets fixed back to the building and
gets bedded into the mortar as they're doing the bricks.
And the whole idea there is that it ties the
brick veneer to the structure of the building and prevents
it moving over time. So those and that fixing now
typically we used to nail them on with clouds years ago.

(26:41):
Now they're fixed in with a little text screw into
the framing. And so the brickie said he the project manager, Sam,
who's doing the texting, said look, the brickie said that,
And the supplier said that only thirty five millimeter screws
were required. The council had approved thirty five, yet it

(27:02):
stated that fifty milimeter ones were to be needed, and
you kind of go, why would they change it? And
then it seems like in this particular build they had
a rigid air barrier on the exterior of the framing.
So for many, many, many years, we used to do
timber framing with building paper or building wrap around the outside,
which is still used today, but in some cases we're

(27:24):
moving to having a rigid air barrier. Might be plywood,
might be five er cement sheet, might be os B board.
There's a number of different varieties, and so suddenly you've
got the timber framing and instead of having less than
a millimeter of building paper around the outside, you might
have nine, ten, possibly even twelve millimeters of a rigid

(27:45):
air barrier sheathing on the outside of the building. I
think what the council's picking up on, and this is correct,
is that what you need for that screw is thirty
five mili embedment into the timber framing. So if you
used a thirty five mil screw through ten mili of
rigid air barrier, then obviously it's only by twenty five

(28:07):
millimeters into the timber framing, hence the need for longer screws.
So it's not about the length of the screw it's
about what type of rigid air barrier you might have,
or simply the fact that you've got one on the outside.
The concern from Sam, who's the text, is hey, look,
if I had a bought built to the consented drawings,
then there would possibly be all sorts of liabilities to

(28:29):
me as the LBP, as the builder into the future.
I have to say, I mean, look, it is disappointing
if something is poorly drawn and then it goes through
consent at council and council don't pick up on these
kind of relatively straightforward building issues. That's an issue that's
not great because in the end, as the LBP, as

(28:52):
the builders on site, now what's kind of been hammered
into us. Pardon the pun is the plans are your
contract right. It's not our job as LBPS to challenge
or debate. It's our job to build exactly what's on
the plan. So if there's poor specification, poor detailing, in
this case using thirty five mil screws, when because of

(29:13):
the rigid air barrier you needed to use the longest screw.
You're right, that becomes quite a challenge for the contractors
on site.

Speaker 6 (29:21):
It's not.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
I don't like the situation. That's not our job to
find those things, but it just isn't. And all of
the things that we talk about as LBPS around contracts
and plans and so on, is you build what's on
the plan. But if the plan's wrong and you do
know that, then yes, I guess you have a responsibility
to point that out, either to the inspector or to

(29:46):
the client, certainly to the designer who missed that as
they were putting the designs together. You may have some
thoughts on that. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. A couple of other texts coming through
just with regard to various little projects. And someone likes
the song, that's always a pleasant surprise. Eight hundred eighty
ten eighty eight. As I mentioned, So, I went to

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Hamilton on when was it, Thursday afternoon and had a
look at a three D printed house. And this is
one of those things. If you google you know three
D printed houses, you'll see lots of pictures from Europe
and the United States of America in particularly where they're
doing some of these sorts of things. A robot essentially

(30:31):
that extrudes a mortar a high strength forty MPa concrete
into and just lays it out, typically in a series
of layers and builds up wall segments, so it's interior
exterior of the wall is all printed in one go,
sometimes on site the New Zealand ones typically they're printed

(30:53):
in the factory. Went to the factory and had a
look at that, and then went to the show home,
which is just on the outskirts of Rotors CBD Rotakari
in a new subdivision there and had walk through the house.
Quite remarkable. If you're in the area, it's worth a drive.
Just look for Iconic three D and their show home

(31:15):
and then you'll be able to either drive by or
stop in and have a look again. It's and then
when I was at this mid Bild yes Or on Friday,
I was asked to say a few words, and one
of the things that I've started to think a bit
more about is that I think often we're too binary
in our approach to sort of building and solutions for

(31:38):
either affordability or production or speed or quality, that there's
going to be a multitude of solutions to all of
the challenges that the building industry faces. But typically we
get into this sort of binary thing where we go, well,
if I've got a good idea, then therefore every other
idea is a bad idea, and so we tend to

(31:58):
clash rather than collaborate. And I just look at all
of these different building topographies and methods that are out there,
going actually is probably room for all of these things
to exist in the same space that. Yeah, three D
printing can be part of the solution. Modular off site
construction is part of the solution. SIPs panels are part

(32:20):
of the solution. Conventional timber framing, but using really high
tech equipment is also part of the solution. As long
as we en met with better houses and more of them,
it's got to be a good thing. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty the number to call Ryan A very
good morning to you.

Speaker 10 (32:36):
Good morning, How are you well?

Speaker 5 (32:38):
Thanks for Ryan? Yourself?

Speaker 10 (32:40):
Not too there? It's there, really start, that's good time
to day.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
Sure, how can I help? What's up?

Speaker 10 (32:50):
You just want to We've spoke a couple of times
or four of that nightmare renovation up and up and awkward,
just said the final issue sort of come through. So
managed to change builders and had our last proto compliance
to come through after after six years and paid about

(33:11):
three times as much as what we.

Speaker 6 (33:13):
What we needed to.

Speaker 10 (33:16):
So I just wanted some advice on this. So if
you're probably going to laugh, because this is just the
icing on the cake. So we had the council come
around to do the FOSE Code compliant, the final code
compliance and the weather boards were installed incorrectly out the clouding.

(33:43):
So when we went back through, what had happened is
the has become obviously they get the specs off the
off the company that those those are weather boards. They
come and inspected it just after the building company had
started and said, actually, I don't know the specifics, but

(34:03):
it's not the tender it's supposed to be for Stephen Mill.
I think it might be the overlap. Yes, okay, and
then said look you just need to change that, but
it'll be fine. The build that continued didn't change it,
and the whole house at ten Mill and then it
was obviously it was it was standard, it was painted,

(34:27):
everything else was done and complete and carried on and
then yeah, we're sort of two and a half maybe
probably three years since that because of all the other
challenges and just because of for different reasons and you know,
financially not being able to Yeah, sure, next step legally

(34:49):
sometimes that as you know, that cost of it and
spoke at that cost more than actually fixing it if
it doesn't come up right. But we've found out that
we need to completely reclad, brand new, replating on the
on the house.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
Savers. Okay, I mean that.

Speaker 10 (35:11):
They said that the concept and the you know, the
instructions and that was contract that, et cetera, that this
was a pretty straightforward thing to go back to the
builder and and the lb T and so that you
haven't done those through the plans and there's the instructions.
What are your what are your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (35:31):
Is it well, yeah, it may well be part of
me is just you know, dreadfully sorry and sad to
hear it and disappointed, I guess at the state of
our industry that something you know, as relatively straightforward as
as putting weather boards up. So, just without going into

(35:52):
too much detail around the type of product, is it
a conventional timber weather board or is it a weather
board system?

Speaker 10 (36:01):
I'm not Toby, I'm not specialized enough to answer that
it's not the weatherboard company that's the problem. I've really
I know, I mentioned who they are. I've been really
good at supplying what we need. I'm pretty sure it's
a convention.

Speaker 11 (36:18):
The board.

Speaker 10 (36:21):
The square feet amount that was needed, and as part
of purchasing off them, they coming up to make sure
that it instilled.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
Correctly, which is pretty good of them. What I might do, Ryan,
is before you go, if I get you to leave
the name of the product, then I can have a
look online see what the details are. I suppose. The
other thing that's disappointing about the conversation or the situation
rather is that like typically through the building process and

(36:51):
through the inspection process, you'll have a rap inspection before
the clouding is fixed, and then you'll have a cladding inspection. Right,
So typically the builder should get counsel to come out
and inspect the cladding before it gets painted right, and
at that point council should have picked up on things
like is there are the weather boards installed as per

(37:11):
the specifications, and it's you know, if there was a
scriber left off, or a box corner or you know,
a window hadn't been installed, you'd be able to see
what the cover of the weather board is quite simply right.
And most weather boards will have like a groove in

(37:32):
them that stops the capillary action right, And those grooves
typically there's one at the top of the board and
one at the bottom of the board on the inside face.
So at the top of the board it's on the
outside face on the lap. So at the bottom of
the board on the inside face there's a groove, and
those grooves typically should line up right. It's as simple
as that. So I wonder whether what has possibly happened

(37:54):
are they timberweather boards, yeah, okay, is that they haven't
done that, and that will come down to doing the spacings.
And perhaps the builder when they were laying out the
spacings decided that he wanted to try and achieve a
full line at the head, or he wanted a full
board at the safe or something like that, and thought, well,
I'll stretch out my spacings and then I can achieve that.

(38:16):
But that's then ended up meaning that the boards are
not installed as per the specifications and so the noncompliant.
But I would have really expected counsel to have been
able to identify that during the clouding inspection and it
should have failed then, right, the fact that it fails
its final inspection is really if that's the case, that's

(38:37):
really disappointing.

Speaker 10 (38:39):
There is actually there is actually a note on that
as well. The council did and this had just happened
three times with council. They come out during the inspection. Yeah,
and they advised that something was done and correctly that
it needed to be redone and unbenign to us the council.

(39:02):
There's an argument site because this builder decided that they
or project managers so that they knew better. Yep, and
they kept going with the view that it wouldn't be
noticed later on because we spoke to some of.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
The builders, right crikey.

Speaker 10 (39:17):
Yes, so yeah, it's this isn't the first thing that
I suppose, it's the one. Now we're finally after five years,
got some of the it's been quite stressfully.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
Yeah, well look I can imagine Yeah.

Speaker 10 (39:34):
One hundred hundred and twenty thousand dollars I suppose renovation,
which at that time was like, look, it's we need
to do it. H it's in our own four hundred k. Gee,
we still don't have a house that's complying. Wow, and
we still have where we had a quote about eighty
five thousand dollars to completely we do perfectly re planting

(39:57):
and there's no reuse of the plaids because it was right.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
Yeah, they'll be damaged beyond repair. Can I I'm very
aware at the time? Can I suggest one of the
things with the building code is that there's you know,
if you supply a product, right, you also supply the
details of how to install it, and then you warranty

(40:22):
the fact that if it's installed as per the conditions
or as per the warrant are the specifications, it will
work right. There is also in this sort of situation
the possibility that even though it's not done as per
the specifications, it may still work right, as in it'll

(40:42):
be weather tight. And so there's a performance standard as
well as kind of the technical standard. So lots of
things with buildings might not be compliant, but they might
still work. And I'm just wondering whether if you had
a discussion again, we're going back to building surveys, right,

(41:04):
who need who are experienced this? I tell you what,
just down the line we're going I'm going to run
into the news. We'll come back straight after and have
a look at what might be a solution for you.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
We're helping you get those DIY projects done right. The
resident Filder with Peter Wolfcamp call oh eight d eighteen
Youth talks'b.

Speaker 5 (41:23):
You a news talks. He'd be Pete wolf Camp, resident
builder with you this morning right through till eight o'clock. Sorry,
let's let's stretch it out. We used to go to eight.
Now we go to nine because we've got rud climb
pass from eight thirty this morning, as always talking about
all things in the garden and the wonderful world of
bugs as well. At about twenty past seven, so not

(41:43):
too far away, we're going to get Jay Sharples from
Razine on the line. We can take your painting questions,
So if you've got any specific painting questions, text and
through to nine to nine two. And just prior to
the news we were talking with Ryan. This is an
issue with a well a renovation done in the last
couple of years, so we're not talking ancient history where

(42:04):
it seems the contractor has in store all the weather boards. Incorrectly,
I'm saying council should really have picked that up during
the cladding inspection, that's why you have one, and then
to find that at the end of it they won't
issue I presume they won't issue a CCC because it's
failed its final inspection, because the cladding was installed incorrectly. Ryan,

(42:27):
does that feel like a proper summary on my part
that somewhere along the line, obviously you had a clouding
inspection during the bill, during the renovation, and then a
final inspection councilor failed it, and because they failed it,
they won't issue a CCC.

Speaker 10 (42:42):
Yes, So I actually just put a quick look through me.
So the council also picked it up as well as
the clouding company. Yep, it wasn't to spect because the
council obviously read the specifications as well. Yes, from the
clouding company.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
Right, So they did pick it up.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (43:01):
That's good, and that the builder continued on their way
installing it.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
Not to speak, which again, if I take a step
back from your particular situation, just in general, one of
the things that I know has changed with the inspection
regime for most councils, and I'm most familiar with Auckland
City Council obviously, is that if something gets picked up
on an inspection, right, and you get a fail. You

(43:30):
can't get the next inspection anymore without resolving that issue.
So back in the day, you'd go, you know, you
might get at fail on cladding because there was a
head flashings missing, right, and because you went, well, look
the flashings on the truck. It'll be here on Tuesday
and today's Monday, and can I carry onlining and that? Yeah,

(43:53):
that's fine. Now they won't do that, seemingly so, But
it seems so in that sense. If they had have
had that policy at the time that you were building,
they wouldn't have been able to, for example, carry on
to plasterboard lining or install insulation or anything like that
and get any other inspections without first closing off the

(44:16):
fail of the previous inspection. Obviously that hasn't happened. You've
been able to get to the end of the job
with cladding still. But then see, I just think if
that's the case, and you've got a paper trail to
prove it, all of the responsibility goes back to the
builder to go you were told, here's the evidence. You
didn't fix it. Now you've got to fix it, and

(44:36):
that's your responsibility.

Speaker 10 (44:39):
Yeah, we've done it on a few pieces, and then
obviously they just throw it to the lawyers, probably knowing
that we've poured so much into it that to actually
see this through. Yeah, yeah, you know how it works.
You know they've got the insurance or sure, we have

(45:02):
to sort of save up for it, and you know
we're forty thousand into that and so far, so far
there's sort of no no results. And I suppose the
only we will work down the avenue with with this one.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
Can I just ask another quick question that I really
do have to move on the have you tried building
mediation rather than than lawyers.

Speaker 10 (45:29):
Let's say we did, and they they it might have
been because if a mediator came in and seen this,
the recommendation.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
Would be in your favor.

Speaker 10 (45:40):
It's quite it's quite obvious in our favor. So they
basically turned that down and said, if you want to
take us to court, take us to court.

Speaker 5 (45:52):
Jeepers.

Speaker 10 (45:53):
So that was the there's no there's no discussion around
mediation or anything. That's our lawyers to Look. Now, they're
going to they're going to throw they're going to just
try and cost you, cost you, cost you out of it.
I suppose this is one of two quick things. So
that what you said before in terms of so there's
this happened on as we went back through, this happened

(46:17):
on nine occasions that we didn't know about. So they
never let us know when there's a fail. So that's
obviously on the building that's with the council. That could
have got glossed over some Most of the times they
sort of fixed it. Other times it didn't. But when
you mentioned that, look it might be water type, that's
also what the but they mentioned as well. Our worry

(46:43):
was on that that had conflicting I suppose advice because
we do believe it is water type. Ye, which is good.
Is that that then sits on the on the record
for when we resell the property and it puts a
bit of a I suppose a highlight on their claim

(47:03):
being installed and correctly, And that's the worry.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
I guess it's it's a maybe a practical solution to
a really difficult problem. Because the you know, the big
fixes rip all the cladding off and do it correctly.
The second fix is to go, actually, you know what,
it actually still works despite the fact that it's not
technically installed correctly. And you know, do you accept the

(47:28):
risk that, yes, that will sit on the property file.
It's there for disclosure, and you hope that people will
understand it. Again, you know, if it's a professional opinion
offered by a suitably experienced person like a registered building surveyor,
then that should reassure most people. I presume that the

(47:49):
person that you're dealing with, the contractor who undertook the work,
is an LBP.

Speaker 10 (47:54):
They are an LBP, right, you'd be wanting.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
To take them straight to the disciplinary board.

Speaker 10 (48:03):
Yes, And that's the that's the part that we were
through the moment what sort of go down in order
for you know, not to put the business into solignty
or liquidation, and yeah, that starts something else that you know,
this sort of thing.

Speaker 5 (48:21):
Yeah, I do, but remember to be a licensed building
practitioner as I am. It's it's my name. I'm the
licensed building practitioner, not my company.

Speaker 10 (48:32):
Okay, okay, So be that in mind.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
Look, it's a dreadfully sad situation and I can only
imagine the stresses it's put you and your family under.
So I hope there's there's some resolution for you.

Speaker 6 (48:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (48:46):
The worst thing with this there was all happened during
a time where both my my wife both and my
wife's parents passed away over a month period. And you've
told you that before, and we had to just trust
that I would keep on going because we were down. Yes,
of course after after them, yep, and come back to

(49:06):
this absolute myss basically love focus on the family. And
that was a f year ago now, and that's when
it was all all these massive bills started coming through,
but nothing on the house.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
Yeah, I wish you all the best.

Speaker 6 (49:22):
Thing.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
You take care very much.

Speaker 10 (49:24):
Look into the painting. Painting as well.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
So yeah, okay, you take care right, all the best
follow the Uh we're going to be talking painting shortly
before then, Chris, greetings to you.

Speaker 12 (49:35):
Yeah, get a better beautiful day here in Orban.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
Look out the window. Yes, I can confirm that.

Speaker 12 (49:45):
Hey, I got a question about a pagola on a
second story rental property. So the underneath the polar deck
it's starting to leak and get into the garage of
the under under floor. Yes, yeah, construction now that the

(50:08):
goolar is overhead that the deck, the deck was had
that bitch mole sort of ceiling, so over time that's
obviously failed out to try and source the leak and
get into the leak with their major job, and did
to take out a corner of a room and ranch
siders and all sorts of stuff. But I'm thinking about
just putting the polycarbinate roofing over the pre exact thing

(50:34):
structure of the goola, just to remove the water from
actually getting onto the deck. I couldn't find anything that.
I couldn't find anything in the council plans about sort
of the roofing square footage associated tool the first floor building,

(50:55):
noting that the deck is already probably covering the square footage. Yeah,
any rules associated with.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
That, I'd have to go through and check as well. Because,
of course, there have been changes to the types of
structures that you can build under Sedule one of the
Building Act, which means you may not necessarily require a
building consent, but prior to those changes, and it might
still be active today. Typically, if you add a roof
to something like a pagoda or a perglar, right, that

(51:29):
typically triggers the requirement for a building consent, And I
don't know that that's changed. So while you've got this
open structure, the structure is there, but it's not roofed
in any way. If you were to add a roof
like clear light, that would typically require a building consent.
And there's a couple of things around that. One is

(51:50):
kind of a general thing that we're concerned about building creep. Right,
So you know, you've got this little balcony, then you've
got the framing above it, then you put a roof
on it. Then someone changes that roof a solid roof,
and then they close in the side and hey, pret
becomes a fourth bedroom. Right, there's that sort of thing.
There's also a practical thing that your purglar, while it's

(52:13):
got no roofing on it, doesn't have to worry about
uplift and things like that. If you did put roofing
on it, you then need to ensure that all of
the fixings are sufficient to prevent uplift in the event
of a storm. You're also capturing storm water. You've got
to divert that away. You've got to control storm water,
not just have it pouring onto the ground, et cetera,
et cetera. So I think that chances are adding roofing

(52:37):
to your goda or purgla is going to require building
consent with regard to the issue around the waterproofing. When
you say is it a bitumen type, are you're talking
buttanyl roofing or butteanyl waterproofing or a butteanol. Yeah, it
looks that might just have reached the end of its life.
If it's firm and sound, there are coatings that can

(53:00):
be applied that will add a protective layer over the top.
But in most cases, I think if it's reached the
end of its practical life, then it's a case of
removing it and replacing it with either a new butteanol
or replacing with a different type of waterproof membrane. And then, unfortunately,

(53:21):
sometimes when we pull those out, we discover that the
substrate is not quite the right material. You know, I've
seen it with untreated twelve mil ply fixed down with
clouds right, so it all starts to move and twist
and or the falls not right, or the scuppers aren't right,
and then of course all of that buttant ole goes
up underneath your cladding or is into the sliding doors

(53:46):
that might come out, so you've got to take the
sliding doors out. It does end up or could become
quite a big issue, couldn't it.

Speaker 12 (53:53):
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, okay, well, hey, thanks very much for
that guid no.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
Trouble at all, all the very best to you. Take
care of Chris, all the best. Then we're going to
get Jay up in just a moment. We've got a
bunch of painting questions. Feel free to add some in.
I think we'll have time eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty if you want to call for some building questions
a little bit later on the show, remember at eight thirty.
As always we're into the garden with recline past. But

(54:21):
if you've got any specific painting questions right now, text
them through. Jay's going to be with us in just
a moment. Nine to nine two for the text and
a quick text that's also come in. Would you PVC
double glazing be better for warmth retention than thermally broken
aluminium double glazed or would the margins be too little

(54:41):
to matter much? I'm in Wellington. Thanks very much for
your text. Look, there's plenty of evidence that you can
find online, you know, testing on different types of window frames.
So whether it's standard aluminum joinery, do thermally broken aluminium joinery,

(55:02):
uPVC joinery, timber joinery. That's basically the four types of
varieties that we've got for our aluminium or our window frames,
and then you can see how they work with if
you put the same type of double glazing in each
of those, what the therm, what the R value is
or it's actually in verse, what the actual performance is

(55:24):
and look typically UPBC performs better and even small margins
make a difference. So yeah, it's worth having a look.
There's plenty of information online to see how each of
those different windows system perform in terms of warmth retention,
and it will make a big difference, So check it
out online or have a look at the Stark Windows

(55:45):
website as well. They'll have some information there. It is
twenty one minutes after seven. We'll take short break. Then
we'll talk to Jay about all things painting. If you've
got a question, text it through now nine to nine
two met it God.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Was but maybe called Pete first. D you Wolfcab the
resident builder News Talk said, be.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
You're right, Oh, we're into it. We're talking painting, and
I don't know. For me, summer is always about painting,
and that's my memory of childhood that seemed to spend
every summer painting the outside of the house. Whether he
did it. We did a sort of a wall a
year and he just kept on working his way around.
But to me, it feels like summertime is painting time.

(56:29):
We know that you can paint all year round, but
summertime feels like painting time. Jay, good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 6 (56:34):
How are you morning.

Speaker 5 (56:35):
I'm very well, thank you. And we're into that stage
where you know the weather's a bit more settled kind
of or at least if it's going to be bad,
we know it's coming, so you can plan and get
into some outdoor painting at this time of year.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
Yeah, definitely. Let's say it's all about planning, yes, for
exterior or interior, to sort of think about how you're
going to attack it this time of year. You really
don't want to be painting in direct sunlight. Yes, that
means starting earlier or working in the shaded areas. Just
just think about how you're going to do it and
attack that day. And obviously if you're outside, remember to

(57:14):
have put on some sunscreen of word.

Speaker 5 (57:16):
Yeah jeez, yes, something I might have forgotten the other day. Anyway,
So if you've got a painting question, feel through, tax
them through. But we've got something to get underway with
anyway here we go. Number one question for Jay, we're
painting our house a different color in wanting to change
the color of the front door. Now it's a powder

(57:37):
code at the aluminium door in each prime if they
did want to have a go themselves yet.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
So we've like our best system would be our high
performance system, which is for industrial codings, which would be
on the Coke two to one and Eurocraal four hundred
series which are both two pots yep. So ideally you'd
want to be heading into the shop and just having

(58:06):
it to staff and make sure you're comfortable with it.

Speaker 5 (58:08):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Alternately, we do have single pack options which would be
buying a latch and probably quick dry over the top yep,
before if the luscicrel or namacrill, depending on the gloss
level you were you were after, right, but.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
It can be tricky and I guess you know you've
got to be realistic about if you're going to do
it yourself.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Then it's also like powder coated aluminium smooth. Yes, so
as soon as you start brushing or rolling, you're going
to create a different texture and different looks, so just
be aware of that before you're doing it.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
Yes, absolutely right now here we go, morning, Pete and
j Could you ask Jay about staining a large pine deck.
It's four years old, never been oil stained or painted.
I've also got a new deck to stain. What razine
product do you recommend for the lightest color penetrating oil
stain so they don't want to go, you know, too

(59:07):
yellow or too orangey? What do you what are your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (59:10):
So on my deck, I use the Solvent Born Woodsman, Yes, Woodman,
Soborn Woodow, and it's tinted to the color natural. Prior
to that, I'd been using the furnit Rasime furniture and
decking oil, which is a bit more yellow. But I
just find the naturals a little bit more subtle.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
Yeah, I think Diane's keen to stay away from There's
nothing wrong with the yellow if you like it, but
if you want to stay away from it.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
The thing. I'd also recommend Kee sing out to multiple
housards in the last week.

Speaker 10 (59:44):
Keep a record of what you use, yes, or if you're.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Buying new timber and it's coming pre coated, just make
sure you've got a record of that because it can
help save issues in the long run.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
Now, actually Following on from that, the next text is about, hey, team,
I want to stain my queeler deck back to something
close to the color it initially, what's the best stain
to use and is there a product that means you
don't have to redo it too often? That's from Lance.
I guess the issue is you need to know what
is on the already if there's already a coating.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
Yeah, it's sort of if you Ideally, if you know
what's already on there, you can keep using the same product, right,
you can check that any new products are compatible with
what's already on there. Our recommendation for Quila Dex, we've
got a queler timber stake which brings back the natural color.
So that's what I'd recommend. But like if you're never

(01:00:39):
not sure what's on air, tri test area. We've got
the test pots of the majority of bird stains, if
not by a small amount, and just trying in an
inconspicuous area.

Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
Okay, Now this is this is one about preparation. In
this sense, they're painting over some old nineteen sixties asbestos cladding,
so at least they've identified that some of it's a
bit moldy. What sort of preparation, and I would jump
in here straight away and go what you don't want
to be doing is hitting it with sanding and scraping.
So we're talking about a chemical prewash, aren't we.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Yeah, But even that, I think you've got to be
be careful with it. All depends on the condition of
the surface. Any anything you do scrape or anything that
you're not you meant to contain. So if you're washing
it with a soft wash and it's bringing some of
the coating off, you've got to contain that. Yes, I'm

(01:01:37):
not certain around if there's any legislation about containing the
water that's coming off, well, I suppose it all goes
on the actual condition of the asbestos coated substrate. Obviously
there's a coating on there, so any washing or preparation

(01:01:58):
you're doing the coating you're not actually doing to the
asbestos substrate. It's different, I suppose if it's uncoated.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
Yes, So if it's got let's assume that there's some
paint on the air which has started to deteriorate slightly.
But if what the concern I think that both of
us would have is that if you were to sort
of vigorously agitate the surface to clean it, and then
you release those fibers. Then those fibers should they fall
on the ground and it dries, then they become from

(01:02:28):
it or yeah, that's right, Yeah, that is the issue.
Probably worth getting some decent advice on that, but maybe
the gentlest possible approach and then just paint over it.
It's not a bad way to go.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
Yeah, and keep colors light. Yeah, don't go dark so
absorbs more heat, small bubbles and blisters, which then becomes
an issue you already knowestos and you can't you're limited
to the preparation you can do.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
Particularly I guess where you're doing a paint coating over
an existing one, that adhesion there is going you're going
to have a lot more problems with really really dark
colors in terms of it adhering to substruct to the
old pain.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Yeah, but going dark and you absorb more heat, which
puts more stress on the underlying coating, which or the
on a subject that's potentially quite old, and you could
just lose adherence and then it starts becoming more of
an issue for preparation and fixing it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:26):
Sure, that's an intriguing one. Some people who have a
stone cottage as an out of stone and central Otago.
We like the look when the stone is wet. Is
there something that we can apply to have that look
all of the time.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
I suppose we've got different concrete clear We've got a
concrete clear wet look. Yep, there's potentially concrete stain. But
it'll be trying some different areas in seeing. I mean,
depending on how absorbent the stone is. If it's not

(01:04:05):
very poorous, I'm not sure how well the spaces were penetrating.
I'm not sure how well the concrete clear wet look
would look or go. Yeah, it also puts a bit
of a sheene on it, and I would.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
Have just a word of caution around. You know, sometimes
these claddings work well because they absorb a little bit
of moisture and then the moisture drains out. And so
if you then put a barrier that prevents the moisture
being released from the stone, do you have an issue there?
So it might be that you just go outside and
look at your house on rainy days and don't go
out there when it's sunshine. It sounds like a solution. Now,

(01:04:47):
this is one about painting a deck. You said, we're
getting our house ready to sell. The deck is looking
a bit sad, and we're thinking, right, paint it? Is
this wise? And what do we need to consider? Not
from a real estate point of view, you'd say, if
you arrive at a property and it looks smart and
eats a pin, then that's great. But painting decks, we
need to think about slip resistance, don't we.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
Well, it's also a lot of the issues I've been
able to in this year the result of people tidying
up the house to sale without taking into account what's
already on the In this case, so, yeah, you paint
it. It looks already good. Then people move in and start

(01:05:30):
walking around on it and the paint starts coming off
because it's not compatible with the stain or the preparation
wasn't done properly. So again, it's really dependent on what
was previously on the deck. There's been a number of
decks I've seen lately that have had a wood oil
on there or mineral oil, which isn't compatible of anything else.
So when you start trying to put another stain or

(01:05:52):
paint it, areas might said here okay, but other areas
wouldn't and then when you put table and chairs on
or stop walking on it, all that paint comes off.
So my opinion is kind of why not leave it
for the people moving in to do what they want
to do with it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
Clean it thoroughly and leave it clean and leave it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
Yeah, you're not generating a headache for the new homeowner.

Speaker 5 (01:06:20):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
Yeah, unless you know what's on there and then just
reapply another stain, or if it was previously painted and
it's just a little bit warm, then repaint it. It
all goes down to keeping a record of what you've
previously used or what the previous homeowner used and stay
with the same system.

Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
And in that sense, I think you and I probably
both on the same page when we say have a notebook.
And I only started doing this a few years ago,
but you know, for each project that I do, I'll
and now from my own home as well, I've got
a notebook in the drawer that I write down all
of my paints and other bits and pieces as well,
so you know, I've got to do some repairs and maintenance.

(01:07:00):
And I'm thinking, now, did I use a water borne
and amal there or did I use an oil born enamel.
Did I use sonics or lumber sider on my exterior?
And you know sometimes it's all a bit vague, So
have that notebook, write it down, keep it in the drawer,
and man, it makes life easier.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
You've got smartphones around, make pictures of the cans, you
can write notes on that. Keep an album on your
phone or your laptop or your computer with those details,
just so you know to use the same things again
next time.

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
Wrap, yeah, photograph the label those sorts of things. Yeah, absolutely,
there you go. That's a tip mate, Thanks very much.
Always good to have you back and enjoy the rest
of your day.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
You too, All the best.

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
Take care. That's Jay from Razine and always good advice
when you go into the team at Razine color shops
around the country. So any specific advice that you might need,
I know we talked about, you know, if you wanted
to coat over a powder coated surface. There's a bit
of technical detail and that go into the team at

(01:08:02):
Razine color shops around the country. They'll give you all
the advice and all of the tools and the paint
you need to do those jobs. It is seven thirty
six here at News Talk SB. We're back into building
and construction. If you've got a question of a building nature,
call us now. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
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Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Doing other house storting the garden asked feet for a
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Speaker 5 (01:08:29):
News talks EDB your news talk ZB. We're back into building.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Sarah,
good morning, good boarding teat, how are you very well?
And you good?

Speaker 13 (01:08:40):
Thank you good. We got a bit of a tricky
what I just missed the segment with Jay, but we've
had a building inspectrinal property. They've flagged the roof in
the gathering. We know the gathering's got to be replaced,
so then step straightforward. They've suggested maybe either repaint or

(01:09:00):
re roof, and that's where we're stuck. We've just had
two quotes come in for the painting. Yep, we're weighing
for the reroof quotes, right, twenty thousand dollars including GSP
to repaint the roof, prep paint scaffolding.

Speaker 5 (01:09:18):
Ah yeah, yeah, and look.

Speaker 13 (01:09:21):
We understand the scaffholdings a big part of it. We
understand it makes sense gathering done at the same time,
but it's just twenty thous.

Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
So the twenty thousand includes replacing the spouting as well. No, no, okay,
but if you were going to scaffold, so the scaffolding
is there, essentially is edge protection, right, So contractors, as
part of their responsibility in terms of health and safety,
have to ensure that they've got a way of managing
the risk of being on the roof. Now, to be fair,

(01:09:52):
that doesn't necessarily always have to include scaffolding. So depending
on the amount of time that they might have to
spend on the roof, having a harness or another system
is also a way of managing that risk. Right, So
you know, maybe you want to get another quote. Maybe
there's another contractor who uses a different approach and zone

(01:10:15):
so it doesn't have to have the scaffolding and uses
harnesses that sort of thing. It is a two story
ah radio, yes, So.

Speaker 13 (01:10:25):
Basically it's five thousand for the scaffold, plus plus weekly
hire a four hundred plus GST. So look, I understand
that's a big component. We have a go with what
we've had. Two quotes now they're the same, so it's
telling us at the same cost.

Speaker 5 (01:10:42):
It's yeah, what.

Speaker 13 (01:10:43):
We're wondering, are we better just to re roof. It's
a color steel RoAF, Yep, it's twenty seven years old. Yep,
you can paint it. That's not going to stop anything
if we have a problem down the track. Are we
better to I don't know. It might be another ten thousand,
Pay another ten thousand or fifteen and get the roof done.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
It just comes down to budget, right, So it does
actually make a lot of sense to do the research
and then you can make a fully informed decision because
you're right. You could spend the twenty grand now and
paint it and find that in five years time, you know,
the roof reaches the end of its life and you
have to replace it, in which case the twenty grands
wasted in a sense, or you know, in some cases

(01:11:31):
you might find that the addition, you know, treatment of
any rust if there is any, and then a really
good quality paint job will extend the life of it
fifteen or twenty years time, in which case the twenty
grand is a worthwhile investment.

Speaker 13 (01:11:44):
Money well spend exactly. And that's the dilemma, because yes,
we can afford to put a new roof on. But
we've probably offered too much on the property in the
first place.

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
Right to secure it.

Speaker 12 (01:11:59):
Yeah, and then you look at it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:01):
You know, from a purely commercial point of view, where
we go, Okay, so let's say it's going to cost
me forty five thousand dollars to reroof it, and I
might be here for three or four years or five years,
and then I'm going to sell it. And the person
who gets the benefit is the next is it going
to add value to the house? Will I? Will I
get that back later on? That's also part of your
decision making.

Speaker 13 (01:12:21):
That's a very important point tonight. I think based on that,
that's that's probably given us a clarity we need. You're
right for restyle down the track. Actually better to pay
a little bit more now because obviously it would cost
you a lot more and as you say, five seven
years time, if you're still there and then you've got

(01:12:41):
to reroof then yeah, look, and.

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
It depends on much, isn't it what your intention is
for the You know, do you intend to stay in
the house for the next ten or fifteen years, in
which case we.

Speaker 13 (01:12:52):
Do expect to stay there for ten that's our retirement
at the last step. But it just came. These things
always commonly feel, don't they pet We just thought, oh great,
it's only going to be a little bit of minor
maintenance and we're still in the house. It'll be perfect.
So we just went in thinking, right, we're going to
secure it, and we probably have overpaid, but I mean

(01:13:15):
we're still under conditions, so I guess we can still negotiate.
But I do want the house. We haven't purchased it yet, so.

Speaker 5 (01:13:24):
Ah, okay, well that changes the dynamic that as well.

Speaker 13 (01:13:29):
Yeah, we've got till the middle of next week to
make a decision. We're either go unconditional or we pull out.

Speaker 5 (01:13:36):
Have you asked for a contractor to give you a
price for reroofing.

Speaker 13 (01:13:42):
I'm just waiting for that to come. Okay as well,
we've got one the main companies actually through Aukland. This
is actually in the South Island when the job's being done.
But we're hoping to get that quote on Monday or Tuesday.
It'll come in the nick of time. Yes, without looking
at it, they've sort of quoted thirty thousand, maybe thirty

(01:14:03):
five to re roof. Yep, but we've had hit the
guy on site now, so we're just waiting. It's just,
you know, it's an Edmund thing. Now he's submitted as findings.
We're just waiting for that report to come through.

Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
Look, the great thing is that you've given yourself some
runway to make these decisions. You're full and making a
fully informed decision is the great thing. Yes, yes, let
us know how you get on.

Speaker 14 (01:14:32):
I will.

Speaker 13 (01:14:34):
We still want the house, but we want to do
the right thing. We've got a little bit spere. Look,
I think it makes perfect sense to re roAP it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:42):
Also right now feels like it's a bit of a
buyer's market. So you know, you're probably in not a
bad position.

Speaker 13 (01:14:48):
To no one else around it? Don't we keep asking
the agent have there been any other offers? Are there
any other interest at the.

Speaker 12 (01:14:55):
Stage, it's no, Yeah, yeah, I mean we've.

Speaker 13 (01:14:59):
Gone fifty thousand over there have they? Maybe it was
a bit silly, we should have gone and it asking,
but we just wanted to secure it, right, must add
on to so many other properties.

Speaker 5 (01:15:10):
But you know, hey, good luck, good luck. Alright, you
take care of you and Mary? How are you.

Speaker 11 (01:15:21):
Sorry? Is that Mary?

Speaker 5 (01:15:23):
It is Mary Greeting?

Speaker 14 (01:15:25):
Sorry, I was.

Speaker 11 (01:15:25):
Just taking you off the speaker. I wanted to ask
you about roof or soft events. Yes, nineteen sixties house
haven't got any events at all. A concrete tile are roofing.
I just wondered how effective are they for that's reducing

(01:15:48):
heat in the summer, and what effects it would they
have in the winter, right, I.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
Mean concrete tile roofs. The one thing we know about
them is that they're pretty drafty. Right, So you know
if you said to me it was an iron roof
with building underlay and so on, then there might be
an advantage to Increasingly we're starting to do ventilated ridge caps, right.
That mean air that's underneath and that heats up underneath

(01:16:20):
the iron has somewhere to vent at the top. But
if you've got a concrete tile roof, regardless of age,
regardless of color, will have you know, so many gaps
and cracks in it that allows for airflow that adding
additional vents to a concrete tile roof is probably pointless

(01:16:40):
because and I mean if you ever go up there, well,
what's really intriguing, particularly if it's one that's over a
certain degree you don't need to have a roofing underlay
is put a light up there and go outside at nighttime,
turn the light on and go outside and have a
look at your roof. It'll look like a constellation of
stars that you will see so much light it's quite remarkable. So, yeah,

(01:17:05):
there will be lots of air flow already there, which
actually might be a problem for a whole lot of
other things. But in terms of ventilation, there will be
plenty of ventilation in that underneath that concrete roof.

Speaker 11 (01:17:17):
Oh that's great, that's nice to know.

Speaker 5 (01:17:20):
Yeah, to be fair, that's good in one circumstance. It's
not particularly good in other circumstances. But let's not worry
about that right now.

Speaker 11 (01:17:30):
All right, okay, all.

Speaker 8 (01:17:33):
The very best.

Speaker 5 (01:17:33):
You take care. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty, the number
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Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Whether you're paty with ceiling fixings or wondering how to
fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter wolf Cap
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Speaker 5 (01:17:55):
This morning, we've got a chance to catch up with
Mark Haldane from sweet Water Construction, based in the far
North up in Kaitai. Mark is going to give us
a bit of a rundown on his experience with the
j and OL try board panel housing and jframe. So Mark,
thanks very much for joining us. Let's get started with
the triboard panel housing construction. What are the key advantages

(01:18:16):
from your perspective.

Speaker 15 (01:18:18):
A couple of key advantages are the efficiency of the panel.
A lot of the works done off site, so once
we actually get them to site, it just makes it
so much more efficient, I guess to stand it in
constructor houses.

Speaker 10 (01:18:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:18:34):
Another one is the waste. It's just yeah, way less
waste on sites. That makes it less you know, environmental
factor of that and yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
Cough, okay, hey, Now in terms of tryboard, let's say
over conventional framing, those advantages you talk about the speed,
the lack of waste, those sorts of things. What other advantages.

Speaker 15 (01:18:58):
The strength it's super strong a so yeah, in terms
of bracing elements and you know, have you got tenants
or kids or something like that, they can save you
a few dollars of repairs.

Speaker 5 (01:19:12):
Absolutely. And now understanding that you're also collaborating with Vincent
Garten from Strand Homes and Kaitia. How's that working out?

Speaker 15 (01:19:20):
Yeah, it's fantastic to be working with you know, supply
like that. They kind of and do house and land packages,
so it just makes it, yeah, very easy to working
with them. And yeah, built some houses up here.

Speaker 5 (01:19:36):
Awesome. Another part of what Jane Old you can do
is Jframe the LVL. Now I've been using it for
about at least fifteen years or so. You'll switch to Jframe.
How have you found that?

Speaker 6 (01:19:49):
Yes, it's been fantastic.

Speaker 15 (01:19:50):
We've only I've just done my first house out of it,
and yeah it's a good size house and it's yeah,
it's very straight and strong, which is hasn't been you know,
twisting and buying like like the pink stuff normally does.

Speaker 5 (01:20:06):
If other chippies are thinking about moving from conventional framing
to jframe, what would be your top tip given that
you've just swapped over.

Speaker 15 (01:20:16):
A nice service now going because it's a bit harder
to shuldenter than the soft tank stuff, right, and actually
you're locked after your now going and it's yeah, ready
to go and it goes sweep.

Speaker 5 (01:20:25):
So that's brilliant. Hey, and you know twenty twenty four,
twenty twenty three, to some degree, has been pretty tough
for chippies. For you and the team at Sweetwater Construction,
what does twenty twenty five look like?

Speaker 15 (01:20:38):
Probably the highest priorities punishing off on these pretty cool
projects we've got going at the moment. Yeah, there's a
few clear bit of work that was stuck into at
the moment. Just yeah, just ticking those boxes and making
sure we finish those projects are the best best as
we can.

Speaker 5 (01:20:53):
So awesome. Hey, thanks for joining us this morning and
really appreciate the insights and hope that this year works
out really well for you. To check out Mark's work,
have a look at Sweetwaterconstruction dot co dot nz. To
learn more about Tryboard and Jaframe, go to JNL dot
co dot nz your newstalk CB. It was great to
catch up with Mark Sweetwater Construction. Check him out and

(01:21:15):
if you want to see more about jaframe, which is
an ALVL framing timber, or about tryboard, checkout JNL dot
co dot m said. We'll talk to Glenn us straight
after news, sport and weather top of the hour. Remember
the rude clin past will join us as always from
eight point thirty this morning, and also just a little
bit of information just in terms of the station and

(01:21:35):
so on. I've got an email this week from the
bosses going, hey, there's a new system for packaging up
the podcast. So this program, The Resident Builder on Sunday
appears and as available as a podcast for you should
be relatively quickly at the conclusion of the program. So
if there's something that we were talking about, some of
the technical stuff that you want to have a listen

(01:21:56):
to again, or listen to it in the cars, it'll
be available as a podcast easily by nine o'clock or
just after nine o'clock each day were each Sunday, which
is awesome. If you've got some building questions, you should
call us right now. We'll get that set up and
we'll talk straight after news, sport and weather. Top of
the hour at eight o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Squeaky door or squeaky floor get the right advice from
Peter wolf Camp, the Resident Builder on News Talk SEB.

Speaker 5 (01:22:23):
Right, Oh, good morning, welcome along to the show Resident
Builder on Sunday with me Pete wolf Camp right through
till eight o'clock. We change gear at about eight point
thirty jump into the garden with herd climb passed, so
stand by for that but right now we're talking building.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call plan US. Good morning to you.

Speaker 16 (01:22:43):
How are you, my friend?

Speaker 5 (01:22:44):
I'm well and yourself not too good.

Speaker 16 (01:22:46):
I've got skin cancer on my left hand. So that's
a different story. Yes, it's a new policy that's going
in with the crylic nylon I mean, well and acrylic carpet. Well,
it's not a policing plan. House a crilic downstairs and
one upstairs. Yep, the house. The house is not built
on foundation. It's built on the ground because it used

(01:23:08):
to be a quarry in this house and the old
place concrete, the old fashion, remember the old fiber light
houses they used to build during the war, those prefab
type houses housing cook ones. Basically, I'm wanting to know
when they're changing from acrylic to wool because they reckon

(01:23:29):
that these carpets are not the best of policy to them.

Speaker 5 (01:23:32):
Okay, now, how we've got to take a couple of
steps back. As best I understand it, it's nothing about policy.
Where the story has come from and where it's got
some traction is I think it was it was KO
and at one stage I think it was the Ministry
of education as well basically excluded the possibility of installing
wool carpet. Right, they just went right for our buildings,

(01:23:54):
particularly KAO kind of what they went, Look, we're just
not going to entertain offers to install wool carpet. We're
just going to exclude it. Now. That struck me as foolish.
And so the story that's been in the news this
week is that there's been a policy change in terms
of procurement. This is not legislation. This is kind of,

(01:24:17):
I guess, an internal procurement decision made by a government
body that it might be their policy, but there's no
legislation around it. It doesn't impact you and I. You
and I when we go out and choose what type
of carpet we'd like to put in our house, can
choose from anything that's available. Just by the bye, I

(01:24:37):
think it was foolish their previous decision to exclude wool
carpet or the possibility of having wool. Now they have
an opportunity to tender to prove that their products is
good as or better than and in which case that's
what the market's all about. So but you and I
as homeowners can do whatever we like.

Speaker 16 (01:24:57):
Maybe I should just get a carpet on a rug
on top of this one. But why shouldn't I have
to go out and buy a great big rug, spend
all that money on putting a nice wall, but on
top of stair campet when it should be it's only
a small area, should be uple listed and had it
because underneath it is just sitting on the concrete. There's
no insulation underneath it.

Speaker 5 (01:25:16):
Are you in kind of ordering housing?

Speaker 16 (01:25:19):
I have told him, I've told them many times I've
been here five years, and they said, no, you have
to go out and buy new carpet for you right
on top of this. But I said no.

Speaker 5 (01:25:28):
And that might be sort of a whether they have
their own policy, and they've probably got a policy around
at what point do we need to replace this in
terms of being a good landlord, and at what point
do you as the occupant have a choice around Well,
I'd like to upgrade it, but then you surely you
need their approval. But thankfully now in terms of new

(01:25:49):
bills and possibly even in terms of schools, there is
a possibility that will get wool carpet into some of
those spaces, which when that's our industry that's great. Good
luck with all of that. Len Us and Kent a
very good morning to you.

Speaker 14 (01:26:05):
Good morning, hey, good to speak to you and to you.

Speaker 5 (01:26:09):
How can I help?

Speaker 14 (01:26:10):
Right, I've got a nineteen seventy two brick and tile
flats and yeah, the hose came off the washing machine
about a week ago, and yeah, so a big, big
flood on the floor and where it is, it's it's
up against an internal war and I've got it so
nineteen seventy two, but it's got the particle board underneath.

Speaker 10 (01:26:33):
Yep.

Speaker 14 (01:26:34):
So I've been under the house looked at it, and yes,
it was. It was wet for or at least three
days in most places, but about a week to dry out.
A good portion of it has gone weekbix, a little
bit of a week bix vibe. But it's it still
seems reasonably solid, which isn't so bad, except my concern

(01:26:56):
is that there's an internal wall sitting on.

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
Top of on top of the particle right, yes.

Speaker 14 (01:27:02):
In the sense it's it's not fully structural but semi structural.
And I'm just wondering if there's any risk whether I
should claim insurance as a repairable because it would be
quite difficult to get the wood out from under that
internal board.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
I guess that from funnily enough, it sounds a little
bit like a situation that I had to look at
during the course of this week. Now it was a
slightly later building, but they still had particle board flaws
and it ran under an en suite, which is the
sort of thing that we don't do anymore. But when

(01:27:38):
I first started building, that's you just use particle board
through the whole house and you put your bathrooms on
top of it, and you know, we've kind of learned
from that. So and in this instance, there is some
decay and obvious swelling of the of the particle board,
indicating that there's there might be some structural issues later on.

(01:27:59):
But I think that that might be because the leak
was not discovered for a number of months and it
stayed saturated. So I think in your situation where you
have a failure, you have water, and then you identify
it and you remediate it quickly by drying it out,
especially if you had a dehumidifier in there, and then
you keep the dehumidifier running until you find that you're

(01:28:22):
not collecting much water. Right, So, even where the particle
board flooring is kind of trapped by the bottom plate.
Moisture will still evaporate from there through the use of
the dehumidifier, and even if there's some surface swelling, which
is not unexpected. You know, I don't know that one

(01:28:44):
event of flood damage would cause or provide the sort
of environment for structural decay. I think typically what you
see where you have particle board floors that are failing
is there's been a leak at the bottom of the
shower through the waterproofing, and it's been like that for
a couple of years. And I've certainly seen those. I've

(01:29:06):
been in buildings where I've literally put my foot right
through the floor right it's been that saturated for that
amount of time. But I think a one off event
and then you've been able to identify it and remediate
it quickly. I actually don't know that I would be
terribly concerned if you wanted to sort of take a
real belt embraces approach, if there's access and it's thoroughly

(01:29:30):
dry before you close it all in again, you could
treat the area with like a timber preservative, and there
is a number of those on the market that might
that's a sensible precautionary approach. But I think that in
your circumstance, I'd probably just ensure that it's really really dry,
like leave the dehumidifire running for as long as you

(01:29:51):
possibly can, monitor how much water you're collecting, and once
it reduces and stays down, I'd carry on repair it
and close it in again.

Speaker 14 (01:30:01):
Okay, yeah, I haven't. I haven't opened anything out as such.
I do have good access under the house.

Speaker 5 (01:30:09):
Okay, all right, Well, let's see. It's hard running a
dehumidifier in an open space because essentially you're trying to
dehumidify the world. But in an open space in an
Auckland these days, it's pretty hard to do. But in
an open space you've also got lots of ventilation, right,
so there will be natural drying that occurs as well.

(01:30:30):
And again I just want to labor the point. You know,
the one off exposure to water through a flood or
a leak is quite different to prolonged exposure over a
period of time.

Speaker 14 (01:30:44):
Yeah, yes, okay, there's I'm just wondering if there was
perhaps starting to be mold forming. I just saw a
little little few spots of lights and.

Speaker 4 (01:30:53):
You can treat that.

Speaker 5 (01:30:54):
That would be sensible.

Speaker 14 (01:30:56):
And wouldn't that be an indication I mean, I guess
that appears in the short term, but longer term that
might be any indication that the water is sticking around.
But I'm pretty sure it's all gone. I mean within
a week it was to touch.

Speaker 5 (01:31:09):
I think what you might find is that, yes, the
moisture will provide the environment for the mold to grow,
but where as the moisture disappears, then the mold it's
not an attractive place. It's not an attractive environment, and
if you treat it, that should disappear as well.

Speaker 14 (01:31:26):
Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, okay, all rank you okay.
And for something for something like this, is that the
kind of thing if if I was concerned, if it did,
if it was very crumbly, then this an insurance job.
It's the kind of thing they'll look at.

Speaker 10 (01:31:38):
You know that.

Speaker 5 (01:31:39):
That's a very good point because you know, and we've
had this discussion around insurance a lot. There is gradual
damage which is typically excluded, and then there's an event, right,
and insurance is about accidents, is my view of it.
So there's been a failure, pipe burst, whatever, it's not

(01:31:59):
in your control, and so you've had this event. So
I guess what you're doing is sort of future proofing yourself.
So I would hoard everything that you've seen photographer, note
the time, explain what you did, keep that on record,
because what you're saying is, let's say in two or
three years time, you find that, in fact, the damage
is extensive, the floor is unsound, and then you go

(01:32:22):
back to the insurer and the insurer goes, oh, no,
that's because it's gradual damage. You want to be able
to prevent them, or you want a response to that,
which is though here's the event that caused it. Now
they could possibly then go, well, you should have told
us at the time, we would have repaired it then.
But at least you've got some information. Okay, Yeah, all right,

(01:32:42):
good luck with that. All the very best to you,
take care, Thank you. All right, we're going to take
short break. We'll talk to Jeff after the break. We
probably have time for one more call as well of
a building nature before we jump into the garden. With
reclaim passed at around eight point thirty this morning, back
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(01:34:13):
interesting text that's come through. Actually two just around insurance
adele text. I won't mention the name of the insurer,
but it's interesting. My new insurance policy includes some cover
for gradual damage, but there is a premium increase as well.
Interesting one many and then another text saying many insurers

(01:34:34):
consider a burst washing machine supply pipe to be a
foreseeable event because they're supposed to be replaced regularly, and
yet nobody does. Jeez, I might have to go home
and check as well. My washing machine user guide says
to replace them every twelve months. Ronicky, I'll better go
and have a look at the warranty online. I've mentioned

(01:34:59):
this couple of times that it was my intent to
get We had a really interesting conversation. We have lots
of interesting conversations, but one that sticks in my mind
is around a contractor who had insurance but wanted the
homeowner to pay the excess in the event that there
was a claim in the future. It got very complicated,

(01:35:20):
but it got me thinking around homeowners, you and I,
when do we need to inform our insurer if we're
doing some alterations. What are the questions you, as a
homeowner or as a client for a contractor working on
your house, need to ask them about the types of
insurance that they should have to ensure that they're covered,
but also that you're covered what's the overlap between their

(01:35:43):
policy and your policy? All of these sorts of things. Anyway,
I've managed to get a conversation going with some insurers
and I'm hoping in the next couple of weeks that
will have a claims expert on to talk about the
types of insurances that you and I need as homeowners
when we're engaging contractors to do work. So we'll see

(01:36:04):
where that gets to ride. Oh, Jeff, a very good
morning to you. Good thanks.

Speaker 8 (01:36:11):
Hey, I've just got a question for you. We've just
taken kind of sort of over a rental property that
we had built in twenty twelve.

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
Yep, and that.

Speaker 5 (01:36:28):
I tell you what what we might need to do.
Because I'm just losing you there. We might try on
another line because I'm struggling to hear Jeff Isaiah, if
you could maybe get him to call back, and we'll
still have time to deal with that prior to swapping over.
Now someone Carol has taxed through. Hey, I missed you

(01:36:48):
talking about the three D home hope not. Yes, I
did mention it briefly. So one of the things I
got a chance to do. I was invited to go
and have a look at a factory tour of a
three D printed facility. Now I've met the team before
and I've I've seen the outcome. I've never actually seen
the machine sort of moving around. They didn't do a

(01:37:11):
live print, but they did do a sort of a
drive run, so you can see how the machine will
extrude out a very strong sort of mortar cement mix.
It's about forty MPa when it dries, and it drives
in about two or three minutes, so you imagine it
extruding essentially a bead of concrete out onto a shape,

(01:37:34):
so there's no form work, it just works its way
out and builds these walls in the factory. In this case,
they were then transplanted or transported to a site established there.
There's some insulation and then there's some reinforcing obviously, and
then the roof was put over the top and that's
now open as a show home. So if you're curious
about these sorts of things, as I am, it's out

(01:37:55):
in Rottkari, just on the outskirts of Hamilton, CBD. Iconic
three D are the company that built the house, and
they used the three D puting machine at EUROS which
is pretty cool system. So yeah, it's there if you
want to go and have a look like I did
last week. It was quite nice to see both sides

(01:38:16):
of the House represented. Actually, Minister Chris Pink, who we've
had on this show was there at the factory tour
and came along to the open home, as did I
guess his colleague from the other side of the house, Williams,
Member of Parliament for I think it's Papatoi or South
Auckland somewhere. So that was good to see both sides

(01:38:38):
of the House represent and good to see them out
and about looking at what's available as well. That reminds
me too that we will get Chris Pink back on
the show in the next couple of weeks as well
to talk about what the current government's doing in terms
of all the talk about winding back H one, consenting

(01:38:59):
self regulation, all of that will get an update from
the Minister in the next couple of weeks. Jeff, get
a there we go, can you?

Speaker 10 (01:39:08):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 5 (01:39:09):
So Rins will probably twenty twelve purchase how old's the.

Speaker 8 (01:39:12):
Building where it was built in twenty twelve.

Speaker 5 (01:39:15):
Built in twenty twelve, yep, And.

Speaker 8 (01:39:18):
We've we've just got back into it for the first
time since it's been rented out for all of that
period of time.

Speaker 5 (01:39:23):
Okay, so you've moved into it yourselves.

Speaker 13 (01:39:25):
Yes, No, we're.

Speaker 8 (01:39:27):
Actually just kind of sort of looking a little bit of.

Speaker 5 (01:39:29):
Juice and sell it on, Yes, scotcha.

Speaker 8 (01:39:32):
So basically, in kind of sort of the very it's
on a concrete pad the very back corner where the
window is for one of the bedrooms, I'm kind of
guessing that the concrete head must have kind of sort
of moved very, very slightly in the masonry. If you
can imagine, it's like a z crack the masonry and

(01:39:53):
it goes down for maybe three or four bricks. It
doesn't go all the way to the floor. I'm wondering
what I can do to repair that.

Speaker 5 (01:40:03):
I mean, it's it's not uncommon and old to houses,
but if it's a house that was built in twenty
twelve to modern building code, I wouldn't necessarily have expected
to see that, you know, like there's sort of a tolerance,
let's say for older buildings where maybe the regulations around

(01:40:23):
depth of embedment, type of concrete, amount of reinforcing slab construction,
et cetera. Is less than what it is today, but
twenty twelve is relatively recent. So while I wouldn't be
too alarmist, I think that minor cracking occurs, right, But
if you genuinely think that there's actually some subsidence to

(01:40:47):
that corner of the building, is it on a slope
or something like that, or do you think it's just
ground movement and subsidence in the slab settling of it.

Speaker 8 (01:40:56):
I think it's just I mean, it is on very surface,
so I think it is just the the slab has
just moved very, very slightly.

Speaker 5 (01:41:04):
Which again it really shouldn't you know. Like again, if
you were saying, I've got this nineteen fifties or ninety
and sixties house and I've got a couple of cracks
in it, you go, yeah, okay, fair enough. But my
sense is it's probably nothing. But I actually think that,
given you're the owner, I would be inclined to go
to a structural engineer and have them do a survey

(01:41:27):
of it, and possibly even have some gear tech guys
just do a test of the ground or whether the
structural engineer would be able to identify some movement, maybe
even get someone to come inside with a laser and measure.
If there's any actual movement in the floor slab would

(01:41:49):
be interesting to know. Again, I don't want to be
too alarmist, but I'm just concerned because it's only thirteen
years old.

Speaker 10 (01:42:00):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:42:01):
Yeah, so I think it would be worth spending the
money to get an engineer to have a look at it.

Speaker 8 (01:42:07):
Yeah, I meanwithstanding that, but I mean, would there be
a book that I could use?

Speaker 5 (01:42:13):
Look, yes, there is so if you have a look
at Maine Mark. They are probably the largest firm that
do this type of work where you can inject eurothane
foam into the ground underneath and that will fill any
of the voids and if it needs to be lifted,
you can actually lift buildings with that injected system. Yeah,
so there is a fix as well.

Speaker 8 (01:42:34):
Okay, no worries, I'll and that was main Mark.

Speaker 5 (01:42:38):
Yes, Main Mark. You'll find them online.

Speaker 8 (01:42:40):
Okay, thanks for that, all the very.

Speaker 5 (01:42:42):
Best, Thank you very much. Take care, Jeff. Right, we're
going to change gear. We're going to jump into the
garden back in a.

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