Full Show Podcast: 03 May 2026

On this morning's show Pete chatted about waterproofing new builds, flooding, filling nail holes, needing consents for bathroom renovations, and which underfloor insulation is the best.

Later, Bryce from Resene joined Pete to answer all our questions on paint.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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and Independent Building Supplies the future of Kiwi Building.

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Speaker 7 (01:42):
Well, a very very good morning. Welcome along to the
Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me Pete wolf Camp,
the Resident Builder, and this is News Talks. He'd be
this morning. If I'm a little bit sort of at odds, well,
I'll go on to say that I've been at a
conference Anna Gala awards event, and you'll think that that's
the case that I'm somehow sort of off my game

(02:05):
because of that. It's not really that it's just I'm
in unfamiliar places in the sense that I'm in christ Church,
which isn't terribly unfamiliar, but the studio it kind of
feels like it's roods House, right, and I've sort of
broken in in the middle of the night or the
early morning, and eventually he'll discover that I'm here in
his place, a little bit like Goldilocks and the Three Bears.

(02:26):
But anyway, so I'm broadcasting from christ Church this morning.
It won't make a jot of difference to you, in
the sense that if you dial eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty, you'll get through and we can have a
chat about building. We can talk about building products. We
can talk about building methodologies, we can talk about building systems.
We can talk about building rules and regulations. We can

(02:49):
talk about tradespeople and contractors and how you get on
with them and how maybe you get the best out
of them, and what happens perhaps when that relationship doesn't
go as well as you would have liked, and how
you might be able to resolve that as well. So
the lines are open, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Text machine is working as well, So if you'd like

(03:11):
to text through on nine two nine two or ZEDBZB
You're more than welcome to do that as well as
we get into a morning of discussing all things building
and construction. So just by way of a little bit
of a background as to what brings me to christ Church,
had the opportunity to join with people that I've got

(03:31):
to know very well over the last few years, which
is the Razine Construction rock Coat crew. So Mike Olds
would be a fairly familiar voice to you if you're
a regular listener to the show. Comes on, talks about
renders where the tightness interior finishes all of those beautiful
renders that are applied to buildings, a number of which

(03:52):
were recognized and acknowledged at the awards dinner last night.
They have, like most companies, have a conference every couple
of years, every two years for Razine Construction Systems, and
last night also marked forty years, a forty year anniversary
of Razine Construction, So a massive achievement really when you
think about how challenging being in business anywhere in the world,

(04:17):
but being in business in New Zealand of growing a business.
The founders of the firm were there the founder of
the sort of the rock Coat system, was across from Australia.
Just a fantastic guy, Rob Cameron, and he had an
opportunity to speak. I got to interview them during part

(04:37):
of the conference over the weekend, and then it was
all capped off last night with what's probably the first
corporate event at Takaha one New Zealand Stadium, brands spanking
new stadium, smack bang in the middle of christ Church, CBD,
and an opportunity to go. We could get very close
to the turf, but of course no one was allowed

(04:58):
on the turf of the brand new stadium. And then
dinner and gala, awards and so on upstairs. Some fantastic
build some very proud and excited tradespeople, plasterers recognized for
their craft, their professionalism, their engagement with the industry. So

(05:18):
just an absolutely stunning night, beautiful in christ Church at
the moment. Got up for a bit of a wander
along the avon yesterday looking at you know, I guess
all the work that's been done, recognizing that there's still
obviously a little bit of work. There's space for more
buildings in christ Church. And I've mentioned this because I'm
probably going to be down in christ Church quite a
bit these days, but I really do appreciate the way

(05:42):
in which they're rebuilding the inner city in terms of
bringing people back into the city. I think the compact,
well designed, well thought out, well laid out housing that's
being developed in the inner city is absolutely fantastic. So
I'm loving it down here. But hey, look enough about
christ Church, enough about me. What are your questions, what

(06:05):
are your conceal what's going on at your place? Earlier
in the week for me, I was back on the
tools actually for quite a bit of the week in
terms of just stripping out and making some alterations to
a small dwelling. Got some jib on the wall, some
aquiline on the wall on Wednesday stopper, and over the

(06:26):
weekend I might even get home and be able to
do a little bit of painting, in which case I'll
need some razine paint. I'll need some it'll be sure seal,
pigmented seal rather chure seal over the top of the aquiline,
and then a couple of coats of spacecoat and then
that's job is done as well. Talking about painting, Bryce
McDermott our painting expert will be joining us from around

(06:50):
seven forty five this morning, so if you have any
specific painting questions, Bryce will be on hand to answer those.
Actually sat at a table just a couple of doors
down from Nick Nightingale, who's the owner of Razine Paints
as well in a couple of his team. We're joining
with the Razine Construction team to celebrate last night as well.

(07:11):
So look a pretty good night. But looking forward to
chatting with you, looking forward to Rut coming in and
being in this studio which is his place, and I'm
sort of like the interloper at the moment. But right
now we can talk all things building in construction. The
lines are open. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Lots and lots of changes in

(07:32):
terms of I guess legislative changes. One of the presenters
at the conference on Friday at the series of workshops
was Darrel August, who's the current president of the New
Zealand Institute of Building Surveys, and Darrell was talking about
the shift from joint and several liability to proportional liability.

(07:54):
This is a fairly significant shift once it becomes law
in terms of how I guess that when it goes wrong,
how does it get sorted out? Part of the law,
So we could talk about that as well. I know
every now and then people have gone, hey, look, don't
understand what the difference is going to be. What impact
is it going to have, What impact is it going

(08:15):
to have on homeowners in the future. And also a
bit of a discussion at the conference around the introduction
of mandatory warranties for all new builds and also for
renovations over I think it's one hundred or one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars all of these will be required
to have a mandatory warranty. In fact, I sat down

(08:38):
with another sort of sector leader earlier in the week
to discuss exactly that. So we'll have some more discussion
around that later on, but right now I want to
hear from you. So the lines are open. It's coming
up to fifteen minutes after six. Eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the best number to call. If you'd like
to fire through a text, then you're more than welcome

(08:58):
to do that as well. The lines are open than
the call is eight hundred eighty ten eighty back after
the break.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
You finish that fibe and it fixed.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
You started the resident builder with Peter Wilf Gap and
Independent Building Supplies a future of Kiwi building today. Call oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk, there'd be Rodio.

Speaker 7 (09:20):
Lines are open. The number to call eight hundred eighty
ten eighty if you've got a question of a building nature.
And I mean that's a fairly broad palette that we
tend to get to play with on a Sunday morning.
So whether it's the rules, the regulations, the products, the
materials and the product thing can be daunting in the
sense that you know there might be you may go

(09:42):
out thinking, oh, I'm going to do some painting, I
need to seal that gap, and there could be in
front of you a staggering array of tubes, all of
them filled with stuff that will fill that gap, but
probably less than half of them that are actually appropriate
for that job. So how do you choose the right
materials and know that you're getting the right product. The

(10:02):
lines are open. The number to call is eight hundred
eighty ten eighty and a very good warning to you, Carl.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Good morning Greasings.

Speaker 8 (10:09):
Yes, I've just got a question sort of in general
about the whole house construction sort of type of thing.
It's easy to give you an example what I'm talking about,
because so often you see houses that have been built
in areas and they keep getting flooded, and I'm just wondering,

(10:30):
why don't like construction companies, counseled builders, government make it
that the houses that are built have this kind of
like waterproof So like often you see like a house
that's the half the bottom stores, So why aren't they
Surely there's enough the why construction is at the moment

(10:51):
they sh'll be able to go the whole bottom level
at a concert or other waterproof material. So if like
the lower half of the building's flooded, it's a nuisance,
but you don't lose the house.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Sure sure, And it's like.

Speaker 8 (11:03):
Why aren't built sort of like build their government councils
working together to make that kind of thing compulsory and
then it'll fix the problem of all these houses that
keep getting demolished every time there's a bit of a flood.

Speaker 7 (11:19):
Actually, I was at a seminar earlier in the week
which was presented by some of the people working in
Auckland Council around the deconstruction and removal of those dwellings.
So it I mean, look, I think you make a
valid point, but I think what we're actually going to
see is there's there's there's so many elements are so

(11:44):
so one is, you know, we know that there are
some areas that are prone to flooding. We've seen that,
and if you choose to live there, if council will
allow you to live there, then maybe it's it's your
responsibility as a homeowner to go, Okay, I'm going to
build something that allows for the fact that if my
you know, the lower part of my house is inundated,

(12:06):
I maybe it's going to be block or I'm going
to build on piles that allow the floodwater to pass
by underneath and I can come and tidy up when
recedes and so on. But I think more realistically, what's
going to happen going forward is and part of this
is a technology thing in terms of Lighter, which is

(12:27):
a mapping and measuring system that's been able to track
the types of floods that we've had in the last
couple of years. So, for example, in Auckland, you can
log on to flood Viewer basically and look at an
incredibly precise detail where flooding zones have occurred. Now, this

(12:51):
was particularly relevant, I guess, and it came about in
part after the twenty twenty three floods. That's when I
started to use it anyway, where you know, areas that
had never experienced significant flooding were flooded. I know someone
who built in an area where they were aware that
there was a potential in extreme situations for flooding to occur.

(13:14):
They built their house six hundred millimeters higher than the
required flaw level, and they still got flooded. Right, So
you know, that's a good way of trying to illustrate
just how extreme that flooding event was. Saying that. I
don't think anyone I don't think you'll find any scientist, planner,

(13:37):
or anyone else who will put their hand up and
say we won't see that again, Because we will, right,
This is just the nature of So I think one
is we know much more now because of technology, too
is I think councils have starting to get a little
bit more proactive. I'm sure you'll still find examples, and
I've seen articles in the paper where you know, someone

(13:57):
will say, look, developer's just been granted permission to build
twenty houses in an area that was underwater six months ago.

Speaker 9 (14:04):
Right.

Speaker 7 (14:05):
In fact, I was down here in christ Church in
February after they had some fairly significant flooding here in
christ Church and we were sitting looking at a new
subdivision that was literally surrounded by a moat, and I'm thinking, gosh,
any more flood water and those new houses would be
you know, potentially impacted by that flood. So, but you know,

(14:28):
we know a lot more. I think there can be
much more individually targeted approaches saying well, look that part floods,
but that part doesn't. So if you build there and
you build it a certain height, you'll probably be okay.
And I think the other thing that is going to
come in is that you know, insurers know where the
flooding happens as well. They've got the records of that

(14:49):
sort of thing. And what you might find is that
some areas are simply you just won't get insurance if
you want to build in that area. Right, So I
think those things because there's always the risk you could
build a house that you say, well, look I'm going
to do it in such a way that I'm not
going to be impacted by flood damage. But then you

(15:13):
know what happens if in that flood water there's a
large tree stump that gets carried along and that collides
with the corner of your house and so on.

Speaker 10 (15:21):
So I.

Speaker 8 (15:25):
Guess that's not going to be as simple as what
it sounds.

Speaker 7 (15:28):
These things never are, and certainly in terms of planning
and so on, it's going to get much more complicated.
Saying that, you know, it's been really interesting watching some
of the sort of flood management work that's also going on,
and I have to say, I'm actually quite fascinated by
this just you know, as a just as an exercise

(15:50):
in town planning or resilience and so on. So there's
there's been a significant amount of redevelopment in Northcote in Auckland,
and part of that is they were aware that there
were issues around flooding. They've done a truckload of work
just so much and it's probably cost an eye watering
amount of money. But the impact of the twenty three floods,

(16:12):
for example, in that particular area, where you've gone from
maybe three or four thousand houses to what might become
about forty thousand houses in the future, that flood was
incredibly well managed by the infrastructure that they had installed there.
So you know, there might well be ways of working
in areas that are subject to flooding without necessarily being

(16:35):
right next to a river or something like that, where
if you put the right infrastructure in it may well
cope with it. Okay, Yeah, so yeah, it's Look, it's
obviously a huge issue. But I don't know if you
happen to be in Auckland, but the flood viewer is
fascinating for the incredible level of detail. And like I'm

(17:00):
aware of a couple of friends of mine who were
impacted by the flooding didn't think that they were anywhere
near a flood zone, right. And now if you look
at that flood viewer model online, you can see just
the extent of it and map it out and it'll
show you potential for overland flow paths and the extent
of the flooding and sign it was. I found it

(17:21):
absolutely fascinating.

Speaker 8 (17:23):
Yeah, because another thing which I've noticed very close to
where I live, there's a side road, quite a white
side road, connects on to another sort of a major
road which flows down to a hell. There's a couple
of townhouses pretty much at ground level, and then the
genius council put a speed table on the corner.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
Of the road.

Speaker 7 (17:44):
Yeah. I shouldn't laugh, but I know exactly what you mean.

Speaker 8 (17:47):
So a speed table is like a moat or Damn. Yes,
a couple of houses have started flooding because the drain
gets blocked because they're built at ground level and the
water hasn't got the sort of reserve capacity to flow
around down throughout the corner like it used to be
able to because of a student speed.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
I'm going to wholeheartedly agree with you. There's a couple
that have been built as traffic calming measures near where
I live, which is fine. I get the whole traffic management,
protection of pedestrians and so on and so forth. It's
just that they couldn't get enough clearance underneath the channel
grate to make it level entry. And it would seem
that just one leaf falling from a nearby tree is

(18:32):
enough to block that now, and even with a modest
amount of rain, that's blocked. So yeah, I get exactly
what you're saying there. And at one stage, yeah, actually,
there's been a number of complaints of water flowing in
areas that it didn't flow before because they've introduced these
raised crossings and speed humps and so on and so forth.

(18:54):
So I'm with you on that one.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
All right.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
Hey, lovely to chat with you and all the very best.
All right, take care. I'm trying to get my head.
It's all exactly the same technology in the studio, but
of course it's a slightly different desk. And what's really
lovely is as I'm sure the Crush Church team have
always said, they look out across at Margaret Mayhee Park,
which is I know it's not new to people in

(19:19):
christ Church anymore, but you know the old jaff are
coming down here. I look across it and go see
that's a fantastic park across the road. There many many
fantastic things in christ Church, I have to say, including pizza.
I had the other night, right he Tony talk to
me about concrete walls. Oh hi, Tony, house things.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
Good good, good mate?

Speaker 8 (19:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
If you can visualize a sort of a house in
the deck in the fifties, concrete wall on top of
a concrete wall, bait going up the side of the
house with some concrete old concrete steps that are joining
up to them, and then the seepage in the concretes

(20:01):
come away and you get leakage down the side. First
of all, a product that or you're in your eyes,
and the best product to cope that with to make
it kind of like a swimming pool. The steps have
now got wooden wooden steps over the top of the

(20:23):
old concrete ones to make them bigger. But also on
the inside is I don't know what you call them.

Speaker 10 (20:29):
You're like a drain a hole with a wooden.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
They used to have like a wooden plug in them with.

Speaker 7 (20:37):
The garage plug on the inside.

Speaker 10 (20:39):
Yeah, the concrete.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
The concrete has a like three three drilled holes, and
I guess it's to let the seepage come through. And
they used to have wooden, like a wooden plug in them.
Is that inside inside the garage And I guess I
figured that that was just to release the some of

(21:00):
the water seepage from the outside or the pressure or
whatever on the wall.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (21:06):
I almost wonder whether, just on that particular issue, whether
this was sort of an ad hoc response to you know,
we've built it. It's obviously been there, Like you say,
if it's nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties. Yeah, okay, so it's
getting onto sixty years old in that time. Whether they
discovered that, well, gosh, we've got some issues with leaking.

(21:27):
We seem to have a lot of water in this area.
Rather than have it being stored up inside the building
envelope within that wall, let's just drill a couple of
holes and let it out. I don't know that that's
a sort of formal planned method of controlling moisture in
the wall.

Speaker 11 (21:46):
Yeah right.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
I just thought it might have been a normal thing
that they did, because they're all evenly, evenly spaced and
and drilled through the concrete, you know.

Speaker 7 (21:55):
I mean, look, it may well have been part of
a design and a detail right at the beginning, but
to me it seems a bit add hoc because effectively
you're allowing moisture to enter the building and that's not
what our cloudings are supposed to do. So just to
go back to the issue of sort of weather tightness
on the exterior of the building. Funnily enough, it was

(22:19):
a project that I've been working on this week as well,
where we had some over a period of about twenty years,
just some issues with moisture just creeping in through the
block wall, and then the inevitable decay, mold, growth, swelling
of carcasses and all that on the inside of that wall,
and along with a bit of lack of attention to

(22:42):
a few flashings. Also an exterior part of the block
wall was unpainted, right, it was just left natural and
so over that time that had soaked in. So thankfully
we've had a patch of good weather it dried out
thoroughly and I just gave it a bit of a

(23:03):
clean with a wire brush that sort of thing, and
then I've applied lime lock, which is, as it happens,
a razine product. It's a it's relatively new to the market.
It's probably been around for a while, but what it
is is it's a specifically designed waterproofing agent for exposed masonry.

(23:25):
So I've cleaned it, I've coated it with that, and
then it allows for a top coat so then I
can then add the other exterior color over the top
of it. So that's been part of that. So in
terms of your exterior masonry walls, I would be thinking about,
I guess painting any exposed areas with limelock, and then

(23:49):
next time the exterior of the buildings due for a repaint,
and the substrate is good and the existing coatings are okay,
I'd be top coating with X two hundred, which is
basically a waterproof paint designed for masonry surfaces, and that'll
give you a bit more protection. Now that that's part
of it, you'll also need to look at things like

(24:10):
flashing details, whether there's any other gaps and cracks in
the exterior of the building, and then kind of work
you way through that as well. But I think the
lime lock and then the X two hundred would be
a really good solution.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Yeah, right, because there is quite a lot of lime,
as you can imagine that at that age, there's a
lot of lime sure coming through the concrete, you know,
And it might.

Speaker 7 (24:31):
Be worth talking to one of the technical people at
like one of the Razine color shops and just go,
do I need to give that a wash down for example,
with spirit assaults or hydrochloric acid to remove that efflorescence
and that lime to clean that surface, or is it
okay just to sort of brush that down and then
apply it, because the lime lock actually works to activate

(24:52):
the lime and seal the Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (24:56):
Right, right.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
And so where there's big where there's big, bigger gaps
between the concrete opened gaps, is that a more of
a like a seeker product that you'd fill that with,
because the limelock's quite like a painter.

Speaker 7 (25:11):
Yeah, limelock wouldn't fill that. The X two hundred will
cover you know, a millimeter or so, and it's it's elastic,
So that's okay. But if you've got something that's let's
say five or six millimeters, if you wanted to, you
could try and just do with a good quality sealant
like a sud Awl or something like that. You could

(25:31):
do that, or you could apply some of these semonitious
repair products, which is either Seeker or SEEMX and so on.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (25:38):
Nice, that sounds like your weekend sorted.

Speaker 11 (25:42):
Not this weekend maybe.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
One coming up. Yeah, Like you say, you've got to
pick it dry.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, absolutely, pick some dry.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
Time to sort of tackle it and do it properly.

Speaker 7 (25:51):
You know, certainly. I know again certainly in the Auckland area.
I spent most of the summer waiting for some good
weather and it's it's arrived in sort yeah. Yeah, yeah,
lovely to talk with you. The very best of that.
Thanks very much, Tony. You were used to said be
Pete wolf Camp, resident builder on in christ Church this morning. Actually,
as it happens, so really nice to be down here.

(26:15):
It'll be nice to get back on the tools tomorrow
to be fair as well back in Auckland, but right
now in christ Church in what I'm calling RIDS studio
here at news Storks hed B Right, it is six
thirty five. We're back with Kate after the break.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Where di Y gets unstruck cool.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
The resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies
the future of Kiwi building today News Talks B.

Speaker 7 (26:41):
Your new Storks said, B. Just a quick comment. Actually
someone's fired through a text going hey, hydrochloric acid is
like cancer for concrete and it's a big no note,
not good advice. I'll just be really honest. That's exactly
what the tech said. They may have a point in
the sense that hydrochrolic acid or spirit assaults is often
used by brick layers and block las to clean down

(27:02):
a surface to remove any sort of semonititious material. Right,
maybe the grout or the mortar that they use in
between sits on the face of the blocks and it's
a way of bricks, and it's a way of cleaning
that off. There are specific cleaners for effluorescence, so if
that's what's coming through, then there's different treatments for that

(27:22):
as well. So depending on what it is that you're
trying to clean off, you need the right product. So
have a bit of a look at that. But I
appreciate the text message a couple of other quick texts
that have come through Pete. How do you clean the
exterior of a house of its plastic well the same
way as if it was weatherboards. So often it's a
sort of proprietary house wash product that will help attack

(27:45):
the mold and mildew that grows on the exterior of
a building. Put that on, agitate lightly with a soft broom,
and rinse off. Now notice I'm not saying water blast
in there. You might want to do some pressure washing,
but the idea of standing millimeters away from the surface
and hitting it with two thousand psis is not a
good idea for any exterior, certainly not good for cladding

(28:08):
in general. So yeah, in terms of your repair, i'd
just do that. Someone else has fired through this text cladding.
If some claddings are designed with only a ten year guarantee,
and the dwelling itself is only built to stand for
fifty years, particularly in the new style townhouses and a
joint dwell dwellings, are they expected to reclad every ten years?

(28:28):
And those with a thirty year mortgage? How are they
supposed to make money on a resale as an asset
knowing the building was only built to stand for fifty years,
it could only have twenty years of life in it.
And if you've got a thirty year mortgage, that's a problem,
isn't it. The cladding of yesterday's were built for one
hundred years. Today they are different. I don't think that
when my house was built, which was about nineteen oh five,

(28:50):
the builders were thinking that it was going to last
for one hundred years. I think they built with what
they had in the way that they had and not
hoped for the best. Because there's a great deal of
skill that went into the construction of cottages and bungalows
and villa and so on. I think where we have

(29:10):
tended to get focused on is what is the statutory
requirements right? So the Building Code sets out these minimum
durability periods fifty years for the structure of your house,
twenty five years for cladding and various other title fifteen years.
Pardon me for cladding. It's not ten years, it's fifteen years.

Speaker 11 (29:34):
Now.

Speaker 7 (29:34):
That's not saying that at fifteen years it's going to fail.
It's just that in terms of the mandatory minimum requirement,
in terms of performance, that's the level that we're setting,
and there's a practicality with that. Imagine if the building
code changed and they said we want your house to
be durable and stable for one hundred years. Now, that's

(29:59):
a good thing, but it would also add a significant
amount of cost, because how can I predict what my
building's going to be like in one hundred years time?
What do I build? What level of protection do I
build into my building to ensure that the structure of
it might stand in one hundred years time. Many of
the houses we've built today will probably be around in

(30:21):
one hundred years time, in the same way that, as
it happens, the old villa that I'm in sometime nineteen
oh five is still around. I have to say, I
do lie in bed at night thinking every now and then,
what happens when all of the nails in my house rust?
Because they're all rusting. I know that. So yeah, So

(30:41):
I think just because we talk about these minimum durability periods,
that's not to say that there's some sort of self
destruct button in them that means that they will just
simply stop working when those minimum requirements roll over. We'll
take some more texts on that. Hey, remember, if you've
got a specific painting question, fire them through and I'll

(31:02):
save them all up. Bryce, our painting expert from Razine,
will join us around seven to twenty five. Kate, A
very good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Good morning.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Fascinating what she just we was speaking of. Very interesting
whole a state of durability.

Speaker 7 (31:19):
Yeah, because I mean, you know, you've got the government
is the regulator, right and the introduction of the Building Act,
which just by way of explanation for this, so the
Building Act essentially was introduced. There's been building legislation in
New Zealand since the late eighteen hundreds, and some of
the first legislation that was ever introduced through parliament was

(31:42):
banning the use of raupo for construction because ralpo flax
is or reads basically incredibly flammable. But in the early
days of settlement in New Zealand, many many people were
building their dwellings, their shelters from Ralpo. So one of
the first pieces of legislation was actually highly flammable, let's

(32:06):
not allow that to be used as a building product.
And then but then the main part of the Building
Act actually came and posts the Napier earthquake in response
to the fact that so many houses did fall down
and did kill people. So that's the introduction so all
of our building. While we often focus on the Building

(32:27):
Act and the Building Code as being sort of you know,
unnecessary regulation. That's that's stifling our freedom and creativity, blah
blah blah, it's actually about protecting people. That's what the
Building Code's about.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah, it's a very valuable dotment.

Speaker 7 (32:44):
I ask you, of course.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
What you were just saying also about the soft wash
is exactly what I did yesterday.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
Are used and a soft rush and it came up beautifully.
But it's about an area above a dwelling space. It's
a deck, it's got a fall to it. I've actually
spoken to you about it before. You've given some good
advice on finishing the queil. It looks lovely right, there's
a balustrade around it, which is constructed of weatherboard, and

(33:12):
between the pieces of not weather boards gives me outside
of the weatherboard.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Internally it's.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
It's the fiber cement, but it's it's an open deck.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
There's no roof on it.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
And then between the pieces of fiber cement there's sort
of a beading and that's been painted and there's flashing
on the top and at a angle change, there's no beading.
And I noticed yesterday when I was washing there's just
this little crack vertical crack between the pieces of the
fiber cement wherever it changes angle. And then when it's

(33:46):
one eighty across the beading and it's fine, So am
I should I worry about whether tight is there? And
if so, should I put something in that little crack?

Speaker 3 (33:59):
That's I'm a bit precious about this.

Speaker 7 (34:03):
And the crack is actually in the fiber cements, it's
not a gap between them.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Between them the changes so it goes around a corner.

Speaker 7 (34:12):
So essentially it's where two sheets are abutting each other
or a ligning next to each other, and there's there's
obviously a gap between that because it's two sheets, and
then that gap has been filled in part with a ceilant.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
Probably in painted, yeah, painted several times because it's coming
up for another painting.

Speaker 7 (34:31):
Sure do you know whether behind that junction whether there's
like a backflashing or anything like that, Like what if
you were to remove that sealant? What would you see?

Speaker 3 (34:41):
And I M that's what I don't know.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
It was well built by a good builder in two
thousand and three, and I do have the plans, and
perhaps I shouldok at the plans and see how it
was constructed.

Speaker 7 (34:53):
And even in two thousand and three, there should be
a reasonable amount of detail around how that joint is
made weather tight. So in some cases when we've got that,
we'll have the two sheet material kind of they shouldn't
actually be touching because you want to allow for a
little bit of movement, hence the gap between them. And
then if there's not to be a cover batten on

(35:15):
the front of it, and in your case there isn't,
then what you'd hope is that there's some sort of
backflashing behind it. You know, a strip of metal that
might be might have been as little as fifty but
seventy five or a hundred mills wide with a hem
on it. That's behind there. That means that if any
moisture gets through the gap between there, it hits that
flashing and is directed down. Do you know whether those

(35:37):
pieces of five er cment sheet are on a cavity
at all? So if you go to the bottom and
try and reach your hand up underneath the bottom lip,
is there a gap there between the framing the wall
and the back of that fiber cement sheet.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Oh, I can't get my finger down because it's next
to the deck.

Speaker 7 (35:59):
Yeah, no chance, okay, no, I mean two thousand and three,
there might have been a cavity there, but there might
not be either way. I think that if you were to,
if it's unsound, rake out any of the existing material
it's in there. But if it's just sound, I would
just mask up on both sides a couple of millimeters
onto the board on both sides, and apply a new

(36:20):
bead of sealant over the top, strike it off, and
then paint over the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
So that was what was the seal that I should do.

Speaker 7 (36:31):
I would if you have a look for like something
like pseud al so s O U D A L
is a really good brand, and just make sure that
it's UV stabilized and for exterior use, and that it's paintable.
So some selants don't accept paint, other sealants do. Some
are designed obviously for interiors, some are designed for outside.

(36:54):
Some have an adhesive quantity or quality to them and
a certain amount of flexibility. So what you're looking for
is something that's adhesive, it'll stick to the surface, but
also have bit of flexibility and in your you want
to paint it as well.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Great, so I just kind of ease it up under
the slashing above.

Speaker 7 (37:11):
Yeah, if you can do that'd be great. Yeap, just
cry the flashing open slightly and get a bead of
sealant up in the top there as well.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Okay, perfect, perfect.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
I've also had a new window put in. It was
under a building consent, but there was no contract for it,
and the scribers aren't painted properly.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
There is some exposing, some raw timber.

Speaker 10 (37:31):
Look.

Speaker 7 (37:31):
It's it's quite clear from the manufacturers that if we
use like H three point one exterior treated timber when
we cut it, it should always be primed. And actually
I've been working on a project which is about twenty
years old, and in some cases where there hasn't been
sufficient sealant with the bear timber hasn't been well sealed.

(37:54):
That's where you're starting to see decay. So yes, a
few Yeah, take a scriber and you know scriber is
basically a blank piece of timber. You cut that little
zigzag out of it and you put it on. If
you're putting it on without painting that back face sealing
all of those cuts, I don't. I think that's below standard.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, so should be painted.

Speaker 7 (38:17):
If you still know the contractor, I would go back
to them and go, hey, look, I've just noticed this.
That works not to the building code, right, the building
code or the manufacturer's warranties more to the point state
that you must do it. So how about sending someone
around pop them off. If they break, you'll replace them.
But it should have been painted and there's no excuse
not to paint them. Okay, all right, good luck, Cake, I've.

Speaker 8 (38:38):
Got a run.

Speaker 7 (38:39):
Nice to talk, Take care you and News Talk CB
will talk to do we may yeah, well we'll see
if we can talk to Chris straight after the break,
but we do need to take a break. It is
six fifty at News Talks.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
CB measure twice call once on eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. The resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent
Building supplies the future of ki We Building Today, News
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Speaker 7 (39:03):
We've got a new sport and weather soon. But Chris,
good morning to you.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Good morning Chriss here great things go for it.

Speaker 11 (39:10):
Yes, house insurance.

Speaker 9 (39:11):
I've just canceled my house insurance.

Speaker 12 (39:14):
The difference between the value of the land and the
land with the house on it was so small that
I think it's worth the risk. Very little damage in
the earthquake here in christ very little chance of flooding.

Speaker 11 (39:30):
Yeah, do you have any.

Speaker 7 (39:31):
Comment I'm going to presume or I'm going to conclude
that you obviously don't have a mortgage a freehold. Yes, yeah, Okay,
then look, you know part of me is quite sort
of lays afair about these things. Right. If that's a
choice that you want to make, then go ahead and
do that. I suppose. The other the only downside for

(39:53):
the rest of us of you not ensuring is potentially
that in your insurance payment there's a levee for things
like the fire service and that sort of thing. So
I guess as a collective, as a society, we miss
out on your contribution to that.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
That would be.

Speaker 7 (40:14):
But that's a wider philosophical thing, right.

Speaker 12 (40:17):
Yes, and the price for everybody else might go up away.
But because I'm not paying anything, yeah as well. But
that's what happens when they I think overcharge.

Speaker 13 (40:30):
Yeah, I mean, look, I guess even because I'm guessing
what you're looking at as you're going, Okay, my land
is worth X and my total property is worth Why
and the difference between them is one hundred and fifty grand?

Speaker 7 (40:43):
Why should I ensure myself for one hundred and fifty grand.
Let's say, however, in the event that I don't know,
the house burns down, and God forbid that it doesn't,
it's not going to cost you one hundred and fifty
grand to rebuild, right, You're going to be spending half million,
six hundred, seven hundred million dollars. And then you've got

(41:04):
to go, where do I get that money from?

Speaker 12 (41:07):
Well, I just flick off the section and you know
takes a slight loss. Yeah, there's only about seventy five thousand,
and then the price of clearing the section maybe one
hundred thousand dollars on risking. But they won't ensure you
for the one hundred thousand, you're risking they want to
assure you for the seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars
to rebuild.

Speaker 7 (41:27):
Yeah, absolutely, which is I guess what insurance is there
to do right in the event that you suffer a
total loss. Look, I we could talk more about this
because I find it a fascinating thing, but ultimately you're
making a decision that works for you, and if it
works for you, great.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Begging what they forgot to mention on that YouTube video
The Resident Builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent Building Supplies
the Future of Kiwi Building Today col oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty News Talk ZIRB.

Speaker 7 (41:59):
You're a News talksz B. Welcome along to second hour
of the show. Pete wolf Camp is my name. There
isn't builder and this is an opportunity to about your place,
basically anything that might be going on in terms of interiors, exteriors,
cladding issues, roofing issues, issues with tradespeople. A life's just
full of issues and houses certainly got issues. Certainly the

(42:20):
one that I'm working on at the moment does. But
we're sorting those out, including sort of dealing to a
couple of weather tightness ones and just actually looping back
to Kate's comment about a window that was installed, and
we'll talk about this maybe with Bryce as well, because
it is kind of a painting issue, the like if

(42:42):
you've got exterior timbers, and I know it's kind of
a conventional traditional building methodology where you know, you might
have weatherboards and you've got a window there, you've got
a facing around the window, and you've got a scriber,
that little zig zaggy bit that goes down the side
of the window, so you can't well, no, in some

(43:05):
cases you can and actually buy them pre cut because
they go into a system where the height of the
weather boards is determined. But generally it is a time
honored process where you put the piece of timber next
to it, you scribe the profile of the weather boards
onto it, you go away. And people use table saws,

(43:27):
some people use track saws, some people use jigsaws. Some
people probably even still do them by hand. I doubt it,
but some might. You cut out all of those pieces,
you fit it in. If it fits neatly, then you
fix the scriber in place. But before you fix the
scriber in place, if it's a piece of treated timber
or any timber, it needs to be sealed. You need

(43:47):
to seal all of those cuts. And certainly without doing that,
particularly basically anywhere on the timber, it will absorb moisture
and it will accelerate decay. So in Kate's case, where
a new window was installed into an opening with weather
boards and the were cut and simply fixed in, it

(44:10):
just won't last. It might last ten to fifteen years,
but it's certainly not going to last much longer than that.
In fact, it'll probably start to show decay after about
ten years. Where the moisture is simply going straight into
the exposed timber, it's offering up no protection whatsoever, and
particularly at the bottom where you've got sort of ingrain
and it's sitting on another surface, and if there's moisture

(44:32):
trapped in there, it'll it'll absorb like blotting paper, and
over time that'll cause decay. So, yeah, if you're cutting
a piece of timber for use outside, you're sealing it
before you put it in position where you can't then
seal it ever again. And in this particular instance, i'd
probably recommend getting the builder to come back, remove them,

(44:53):
seal them, put them back on again. Because it's going
to be a problem at some stage. Talking about paint
we've got Bryce McDermott, our painting expert, who'll be available
at around seven twenty five. So if you've got a
question for a painting nature and we've got a couple
of good tricky ones in here, you're more than welcome
to fire those through on the text which is nine

(45:13):
to nine two. But we've got time for We have
time for your calls right now, So eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call and we'll
we'll put you to here. We'll have a bit of
a chat about your place as well. I've got a
couple of other texts as well. Talked a little bit
about floods and I guess things like flood Viewer, which
is an online tool. I'm not sure that every council

(45:36):
around the country has got it, but certainly in Auckland.
It's available there and you can see in incredibly fine
detail exactly where flooding is likely to occur or historically
where it has occurred. And I found it quite fascinating,
having been impacted not myself personally, but a couple of
projects and some friends during those floods to go, Okay,

(45:58):
what you know, what's the cause of it, what's the
overland flow path? Why is that particular area where I
was slightly unexpected that some of that flooding would have occurred,
and of course a massive impact. We're talking about fourteen
hundred houses that Auckland Council along with government are purchasing

(46:19):
and removing in some cases. And then, as per the
seminar that I went to the other day, what do
you do with all of the bits from fourteen hundred houses?
Is there a way of ensuring that they don't just
get crushed and sent off a landfill which is a
terrible end result? Is are there opportunities for recycling potentially

(46:41):
for reuse and so on? So that was quite It
was a good seminar actually, and I think actually one
of the presenters was Mark Roberts, who if you remember
late last year when it's kind of construction minimization week,
Mark came on the program, so it was good to
see him presenting the end. Dr Maryanne Barry as well

(47:03):
was presenting at the seminar at the High Performer the
other night, so that that was great fun. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. Remember Bryce is coming along,
So if you've got any specific painting questions, fire them
through via the text. But right now, Helen, a very
good morning to you.

Speaker 14 (47:20):
Yes, good morning, Peter, Good morning Helen. I wonder if
you can help me. I live in a one hundred
and twenty year old villa in Auckland. I feel we
had the We have a return front veranda which we
had replaced fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Or more ago.

Speaker 14 (47:42):
Ever since it was replaced, the where this boards have
been their shiplap boards. Yes, where they've been screwed down
to the or ring and groove, tongue and grew. There
might be tongue and grew.

Speaker 7 (47:58):
Most likely tongue and grew, but that's okay, So it's
it's in that traditional style, right. So the original boards
would have been tongue and groove. They've been removed, new
ones have been fitted down and in your case, they
were screwed down.

Speaker 14 (48:12):
Yes, they've been screwed down. And ever we've lived in
the house for fifty three years. For the prior years
we've never had any problems with the with any nails
or anything. But since we've had the deck replaced, we

(48:37):
can't seem because it gets a lot of sun. What
they've filled the screw holes was just kept, you know,
every sort of year a couple of years that pops out,
and I've tried hundreds of holes, which every year I
sort of get down on my hands and knees. They

(48:59):
haven't already off the little fill, I haven't already flipped out. Well,
then it's loose and I have to flick it out
and redo them. But I'm tired of the product. You know,
I'm using different products every time. The last time I
did it, which was nearly to on just not quite
two years ago, I used the builders blog the pink

(49:20):
yep two pot thing, and that just has just dried
out and is now all popped out. And I'm just
wondering whether there is a filler that you can use
that would be a better product.

Speaker 7 (49:33):
Sure. Sure. A couple of quick questions. So when was
the deck replaced? When did they do the work?

Speaker 14 (49:39):
It was about fifteen years ago.

Speaker 7 (49:41):
Okay, so the deck.

Speaker 14 (49:43):
The deck boards, you know, you know they did a
good job.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Reah.

Speaker 14 (49:46):
Sure, it's great, except you know, the holes that have
been left have to be filled, and I can't seem
to find a product that will last any length of time,
and let's painted over, Yes, painted over.

Speaker 7 (49:59):
I'm going to assume that they probably used a conventional screw.
So you know, if you have a picture in your
head of a conventional screw, it'll have the thread at
the bottom, a bit of a smooth shaft, and then
a head that's kind of triangular, not a hundred The

(50:21):
hole that's in the deck where the screw is in
is what's the diameter of that?

Speaker 14 (50:27):
Oh, it's quite small. Oh, I don't know a sentime.
Oh No, I don't know. I haven't measured. It's not
very big.

Speaker 7 (50:37):
The reason that I'm going into such finicky detail around
it is that I wonder whether, like, there's a thing
called a jolt screw now which I use to do
exactly the same job as what you've described last year,
And what that leaves you with is a hole in
the deck as if it looks almost the same as

(50:58):
if you were taking a conventional nail and punching it in. Right,
So we're talking three and a half four millimeters now
if back then, given that when they did it, I'm
not sure that there were that many jolt screws around.
They may have used a conventional screw, in which case
the head on the screw is possibly somewhere around seven

(51:21):
or eight millimeters. And I know we're only talking millimeters,
but the difference between you know, three and a half
or four milimeters and eight millimeters is actually quite significant
in this situation because the other thing is the filler
that you're applying won't really stick to the top of
the screw. But because the top of the screw is
probably only maybe two three millimeters below the surface, that's

(51:46):
what you're actually trying to get the adhesive to stick to.
And I would like to think that they use stainless
steel screws, otherwise you'll start to see those to terrorate.
So you're trying to fill that flat surface, which is
about seven or eight milimeters across. Now, if that's what
you've got, then I would be looking at every time.

Speaker 14 (52:09):
I've just got a rule of seven or eight millimeters
might be a bit much. I think it would be
more likely four or five milimes.

Speaker 7 (52:17):
Okay, all right, So maybe they did use jolt screws,
which is great. The other thing is, again we're talking
about sort of best practice around preparing timber for paint
and finishing. So actually I was doing it this week
with the guys. We had to replace some weatherboards. We
put the weatherboards on, we punched the nails, and immediately

(52:39):
or within a couple of hours of punching the nails,
I went through with some primer and I sealed the
timber around where the nail head had been punched, right,
because obviously the surface is painted with a factory coating.
You punched the nail and there's some bare timber. So
we went through and I sealed all of that, and
then once that had dried, I've used some filler and

(53:01):
I'll tell you what the filler is in a moment.
So I wonder where the part of the issue for
you is getting adhesion.

Speaker 14 (53:08):
I need to paint them, you.

Speaker 7 (53:09):
Need to sell that ideally, or you need to have
a filler that has a little bit of adhesive quality
to it.

Speaker 14 (53:19):
So where do I placemakers And nobody's very much help.

Speaker 7 (53:26):
Look And I know that this becomes arcane detail right,
but it's the detail it gets it right. So I
wonder whether for you there's there's kind of two options
that I've got in mind. One is a product called
repair Care. You can actually buy that at Razine Color shops.
It's a too pot or two part epoxy resin, So

(53:48):
you extrude it out of a cartridge, mix it together
and apply that into those areas and it will have
some adhesive properties, right, so it'll bind to the side.
It may not stick to the screw, but it will
bind to that. Now it's it's you have to work
reasonably quickly to get it in and it takes a
little bit to sand it off, so you don't want

(54:08):
to apply too much that you have to then sand off.
But that's a very very effective filler. The other option
is a product called that I've been using on the
weather boards called Epo Tech so EPO T e C. Again,
it's a two part so there's a chemical reaction that
takes place when you mix the two pieces together or

(54:31):
two parts together. That's a little bit more lightweight, it's
possibly a little bit easier to use. It's certainly quite
easy to sand off as well. So where can you
get that from Epo Tech. You'll probably need to have
a look online and go directly to the company that
supplies it, supplies there in Auckland. That's how I got

(54:53):
the pot that I'm using at the moment. But the
most of the razine color stores will have the repair
Care product there as well, and I think if you
use either of those two you'll probably have a a
much better.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Result, much better results.

Speaker 7 (55:08):
But I would just have a careful look next time
a piece of that filler pops out, if you can
see bear timber around the edges of it. And I
know we're only.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
There is bear timber.

Speaker 14 (55:18):
And I know I had a builder here and he
didn't have any idea really, but he did suggest that
I painted the holes to all the filler out and
painted the holes with an oil based paint, but I
haven't got around in either.

Speaker 7 (55:37):
I mean, use oil base if you've got it, but
if you use the good quality acrylic primer that would
be okay, or water borne primer that would be okay
as well. But sealing the fibers around there will help.
And that will and also those hold.

Speaker 14 (55:52):
The filler and it'll help you know the decks then
you know pat I mean the verandas then painted with
the razine. I forget what the product product I've used,
but okay.

Speaker 7 (56:06):
And all of these things sound like, you know, it's laborious,
time consuming, it.

Speaker 14 (56:12):
Works, but I've done it six or seven times, Nana
at aightym, I'm getting a bit.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Tired of doing it.

Speaker 7 (56:20):
This might be a moment where you're in you know,
if you have grandchildren, particularly grandsons, and go, hey, how
would you like to come visit Grandma and I'll make
you some scones and I'll give you a great.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Job to do what the money was before.

Speaker 7 (56:34):
Lovely to chat with you, Helen. Thank you very much,
all the very best.

Speaker 10 (56:37):
Take care there bye.

Speaker 7 (56:40):
I mean I've been using some of the repair here
this week for different little repairs on this on the
weather boards, using the epotech. But yeah, and it's one
of those things. It's it's attention to detail, right, So
fixing the weather boards seventy five mil galvanized jolt head
nail driven through, punch it and once you punch it,

(57:01):
seal it. So if you don't plan on doing the ceiling,
don't punch the nails. And again you'll see this on
sort of well organized, well run sites. The weatherboards might
go on, but they won't punch them. They'll just leave
the nail just slightly proud of the surface. And then
when either the painter's ready or someone's ready to do
that job, that's when you punch the nail below the

(57:23):
surface of the timber weatherboard and then use a primer.
I've even seen some guys using like a little squirt
bottle with a mixture of PVA and primer and then
just going a round and squirting that in to each one.
Then you can either sand that flush, then apply filler,
then send that off, then apply a primer over the

(57:45):
top of that, including a primer over the top of
all of you weatherboards. I'm starting to stray into Bryce's territory.
I don't mean to. I'll get back in the box
as a carpenter in just a moment. We'll be talking
to Bryce shortly. We'll come back after the break, we'll
chat with Fross and then Bryce McDermott, our painting expert
from Razine, will be with us after.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
That turning those and to shield me right.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
The resident builder with Peter wilfgam and Independent Building Supplies
the future of ken we Building today COLH eight hundred
News talkb.

Speaker 7 (58:18):
Your news Talks be We're we'll be talking with Bryce,
our painting expert, probably about some of the things we've
just we're chatting with with Helen about and got some
fantastic texts. So that's awesome. But first up, Ross greetings
to you. Well, you know, Ross, go for it.

Speaker 15 (58:34):
Yea hey, I'm just doing a pretty major bathroom renovation,
like pull them a share unit out. Much will come off,
all the wall line is in it come off, parts
coming out, then it is coming out. So the quotes,
I've got to keep the work done. Nobody's actually told

(58:57):
me about consents or anything like that needed in this situation,
which kind of I've heard you on your program before
saying that once you start touching plumbing and stuff like that,
you may need a consent. But because it's about forty
thousand dollars worth of work, so that's a bit of money.
A thousand or two either way won't matter if I

(59:19):
need to get a consent.

Speaker 7 (59:22):
Yeah, consent might cost you a bit more than that,
because you know, you've you've got to pay someone to
do the drawings and then you've got to submit them
to counsel. So there's there's kind of two parts to that.

Speaker 10 (59:33):
But so.

Speaker 7 (59:37):
Interesting that in terms of the quotes that you're getting,
are you going to sort of a main contractor who's
then organizing all of the subcontractors or are you going
and seeking prices from say a builder, a painter, a stopper,
a waterproof for a plumber and electrician, et cetera, et cetera,

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and then putting those all together as a project.

Speaker 15 (01:00:02):
No, No, so it's one major, it's two major companies
that that's all they do is bathroom renovations in one dess,
you've got about a five week gobea mapped out five
weeks and months. Yeah, sure, okay, look it takes time,
but yeah, no, everyone's going to come and do the
whole lot. Yeah all, and you know they'll have all

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their stubbs.

Speaker 7 (01:00:24):
Yes, great, Okay, I mean gee, I would like to
think that if this is the business therein, they should
be able to give you some really clear guidance around
whether or not you need a building consent, because you know,
for them and their reputation, they won't want to be
caught in a situation where they knowingly did work that
would require a building consent typically and they haven't gone

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and got one, or that they haven't advised you that
you need one. So, in general terms, there are a
couple of things that trigger a requirement for a building consent.
When it comes to bathrooms in particular. One of those
things is whether you're adding the total number of sanitary fittings.
So if, for example, in that space there is a toilet,

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a basin, and a shower and maybe a bath, and
after your renovation you've got a toilet, a basin, a bath,
and a shower, then you're not adding any sanitary fittings. Okay,
So in that sense that doesn't trigger a requirement for
building consent. The other thing that most likely would trigger

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a requirement for a building consent is are you doing
a tile shower?

Speaker 8 (01:01:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:01:38):
I think we are now we've talked about it. We
want to do tire wolves and toil floor yep. Plus
in the corner where the bath is, bath's going to
get ripped out. I'm going to put a second toilet
in there, right Okay, Yes, I'm just thinking that most
of these people just ah, yeah, we can do that.
We can do this, yep.

Speaker 9 (01:01:55):
Sweet.

Speaker 15 (01:01:57):
And I was word about about there is people have
done renovations.

Speaker 9 (01:02:01):
This is well, you have just sold draw house.

Speaker 15 (01:02:03):
Did it come up on the lumni? We know this
is on. It's interesting just normally if that type of
work or something like that is required, it would normally
beyond the lumb right ross is renovated and seemfully renoreadious bathroom,
it's on the lam blah blah blah, all of being
checked off, daddy, daddy dat.

Speaker 10 (01:02:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:02:22):
I think for me, if you said to me, look,
I've we've found a really nice pre formed shower unit,
you know, down at the local chesters or wherever, and
we're going to install that and roughly the same location
as the old chower used to be, because it's performed
and it doesn't require any waterproofing behind it, although I've
even heard counsels starting to say you need to waterproof

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behind the shower lining and I'm like why, but anyway,
but there shouldn't be, but there. I've continued to have
discussions slash arguments with either yeah, people in the game
sort of going the most straightforward thing that if you

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want to de risk the project, I would go because
I'm doing tiles, because you're going to have a waterproofing
element behind those tiles that in nine times out of
ten triggers a requirement for a building consent. There is
potentially a little bit of wiggle room in the legislation
around whether or not it's level entry or has a

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hob and upstand because when you go if you were
particularly bored one day, you could go through and read
the New Zealand Building Code. So and then within the
building Code you would find the section E which is
all about moisture, and then within that you'd find a

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section which I think is E three which is about
internal moisture, and then within that you'd find some information
about showers. And then once you drill down into that,
it'll refer you to the Waterproofing Association of New Zealand's guide.
Then you can read through all of that and then
it's if you've done what's according to their guide, it's

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deemed to comply with a building code, and in there
there is some little discussion about whether there's an upstand
or not. But look, I think that the number of
times that I've either been to look at a property
on someone's behalf or someone's rung me and said, hey, look,
I'm about to sell the house. Someone's come in, they've

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looked at the shower. It's tiled. It wasn't tiled twenty
years ago and it is now. They've asked if I've
got a building consent. I don't have a building consent.
Now they're going to hold the sale, the sale and
purchase agreement up until such time as I guess of
acceptance for that. That's a hell of a process to
go through. So I do wonder, you know, in terms

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of de risking it, the most straightforward thing would be, right,
I'm just going to get it drawn up, submit it
to council, get a building consent for it, which means
then the work has to be done or supervised by
an LVP, which is not a big deal obviously, going
to use a registered plumber, you'll use a qualified electrical person,
and the person doing the waterproofing needs to provide evidence

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that they've done the work in accordance with the building consent.
Plus you'll need to get a building inspection during it.
But you know, given how much you're investing, why wouldn't
you invest and get a building consent as well?

Speaker 15 (01:05:26):
Yeah, hey, just a quick one. Sure, we put a
new Pallette fire in and it was twenty odd years
old because the house was built in two thousand and five. Yes,
the consent was pretty straightforward. Had to have a resource consent,
which was about six hundred dollars. But now I think
just recently they've changed the law where you've put a

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new pallet feier and you've got to have six motion arms.
Oh okay, so this is a new requirement that the
councils come out with. But we're a weeks away from
if we'd bought week earlier or two weeks earlier, we
would have nullified that we only had got one. Right,
this new one you've got to put such and it's

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all hooked up to this. Oh, that's three hundred and
fifty dollars for six alarms in this system there, it's
sort of like you push a button and all of
them go off. They all sort of yes, yes, it's
really cool system, but it is we've already got a
pellette far in everything.

Speaker 7 (01:06:24):
Yeah, But that I tell you what you might have
been caught in is it's not actually about the palette fire.
It's it's about getting a building consent for work and
then the new regulation. So if you might even find
now that they would ask you about your smoke alarms
when you submit for a building consent for the bathroom. Right,

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So it just happens to be that these two things
have happened at the same time. And what has happened.
Is there is a new requirement within the building code
that going forward, all smoke detectors need to be interlinked.

Speaker 15 (01:06:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:07:02):
I think it's a good thing. Like it makes a
hell of a lot of sense. I think it's a
really good thing. And I think you just happened to
being caught in that time where both of them happened
at the same time. I appreciate the call. Ross all
the very best to you and great question. In fact,
he's a good response to it. Hey, Pete, he will
definitely need Well, you've said a CCC. You can't get

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a CCC without a building consent, So what you're saying
is needs a building consent. In recent times I've tried
to sell to properties with beautiful child bathrooms that have
not had a CCC, therefore not a consent. And all
I can say is if he ever tries to sell
without one, God help him. According to Jenny, thank you
very much Jenny for that right he Oh, we need
to take short break. We'll be back in just a

(01:07:44):
moment with Bryce, our painting expert.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Helping you finish that fibe. But it fixed.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
You started the Resident Builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent
building supplies, the future of Kiwi building today call oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
There'd be.

Speaker 7 (01:08:02):
Very appreciative the fact that Bryce was patient with us,
So very good morning to.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
You, Bryce, good morning.

Speaker 11 (01:08:09):
How are you very well?

Speaker 7 (01:08:10):
Actually very well. I seem to have spent an awful
lot of time around Razine people, which is not a
bad thing, I have to say, over the last couple
of days, including sittings to think Dave's your area manager
for the South Island and Nick Nightingale was floating around
and so on over the last few days. So it's
been great, well cool, Yeah, absolutely. Hey, just before we

(01:08:31):
jump into a bunch of texts that are here, let's
talk about and I think for a certain generation myself included,
the idea of a water born enamel seems like an oxymoron, right,
that enamels in our head and my head is always
it's oil based or oil born, oil based, right, So
now you get water borne enamels. How the hell does

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that happen?

Speaker 9 (01:08:54):
No, I think it's it's well, I'm not a chemist
or anything like that. It's in the resin that's basically used. Yeah,
it's tougher than a normal waterborn paint like our space
coat and things like that, and you and we've also
introduced water born sure seal as well, which can be

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used in interior situations without you know, the solvent smell,
it's going to sort of like a limb feed oil
type smell.

Speaker 7 (01:09:24):
I know exactly what you mean in terms of the
solvent smell. I doing a little project at the moment
where we had to replace a certain amount of aquiline
in a wet are effectively a laundry and so where
we didn't have to before the stopper got there, I
wanted to put some shore seal over the top of
the old paint to make sure that he's got something

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to bind onto. You know, if you're doing a jib
repair and you're trying to plaster or stop onto old
paint doesn't really stick that well.

Speaker 9 (01:09:57):
No, you've got you've in that sort of situation. You know,
perhaps the oil based version would be a little bit better.

Speaker 7 (01:10:07):
That's what I happen to have. You know, an old
tin of it was still okay, thankfully enough, but just
whipped around and did that. But yeah, it's a very
strong and evocative smell.

Speaker 9 (01:10:17):
I guess it's vastly improved on the older versions of
sure steale that we used to have. But now the
water boorne one, you can use that in interior situations
only you know, aquiline when you're stripping off wall paper.
You can use it after the skim has come through

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and you can seal up your plasks and all that
sort of stuff, and it's a rather pleasant smell.

Speaker 7 (01:10:44):
Actually, I will probably find out myself this week once
the stopp has done his, But so it is amazing
in terms of you know, I think the reason that
most of us would go for oil based paints is
for hardwaring, durability and so on. But it's increasingly you
can achieve that with waterborne which has the advantage of

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it's easier to clean up and those sorts of things
as well, doesn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:11:10):
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 9 (01:11:11):
Have I know it sounds a bit strange, but we
have water board luster globe, water board super gloss enamel. Now,
yes it's still enamel, it's got an al could reson
in it, but while it's in a liquid state, you
can clean it up with water and again it's got
the nice sort of pleasant glimseed oil smell to it.

(01:11:32):
But once you know, if you have any spills or
you know you need to clean up something later on it,
you don't notice you have to use the middle to
its just to clean any spills up right, I can't
quite get my head around it, but you know they
act basically like a normal enamel would.

Speaker 7 (01:11:52):
Okay, how interesting it's I mean, look that you know
you've been to the factory. I haven't had the opportunity yet,
But there's a whole team of boffins there that work
away on the chemistry and the science behind it. So
them do their thing, and let's just concentrate on doing
a good job with the painting. So let's rip into
a couple of text messages for you, Bryce, what's a

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good safe paint to use on the inside of kitchen
cupboards which are timber? So there obviously you know, maybe
an older kitchen built in situ timber inside bear timber.
What would you bring it up with?

Speaker 9 (01:12:28):
You could go to ru the waterboarl and hybrid enamels
we've just been talking about, yep. Or you could use
lastical or an over coal now both little water born products,
and you could probably prime that with quick drive before
you start.

Speaker 7 (01:12:47):
So quick dry and then two top coats. Yep, perfect,
Hey on, now this is this is the classic. Hey guys,
we've got an automatic fly spray unit which is attached
to the wall. The residue from the spray has stained
the ceilings. How should I prepare to patch that before painting?

Speaker 6 (01:13:06):
Yeah, give it a wash down first, Yes, And we
have a product called stain Lock that you can apply
over the top of that area which basically locks the
stain and it will.

Speaker 9 (01:13:18):
Come through that coat and you know, just color it
slightly better, will go no further. So stain lock is
the one to use, and then you can apply your
top gates over the top of.

Speaker 7 (01:13:31):
That right, Okay, awesome, Now this is an interesting one,
Pete for your painting expert.

Speaker 11 (01:13:38):
That to you.

Speaker 7 (01:13:38):
Bryce. We've just had our bathroom floor re done. Originally
it was chipboard. They've now got treated ply in place.
We want to protect this until the lino goes down.
So I was wondering about polyurethane. Could you please suggest
what we could do, especially if we're going to be
putting the vinyl down in the near future, So in

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terms of just ceiling that and making it serviceable for
a period of time, you know, it doesn't have to
last forever. Polyurethane.

Speaker 9 (01:14:10):
Maybe we've got a water ball floor coating. Oh gosh,
it just depends on whether or not you know, the
adhesives and things like that, they go over the top.

Speaker 7 (01:14:27):
And I was heading to the same place. I'm thinking, Okay,
so you apply something down, which means potentially that it's
going to have a problem with the adhesive. You're making
a problem for yourself if you don't get the right
material or I wonder in this sense, they need to
talk to the adhesive and the lino layer first to go, hey,

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if I do this, am I going to make your job?
Because what you don't want to do is apply the
polyurethane and maybe a month later you have to get
someone into sand it all off so that the adhesive
for the vinyl can adhere to the timber.

Speaker 9 (01:15:02):
Yeah. Maybe if they were going to apply a case
that call crystal clear floor one K, which is like
a tougher poor.

Speaker 15 (01:15:11):
Urosan warm type system, right, they could.

Speaker 9 (01:15:15):
They could put that down as a seiler. But yes,
you're right, I would take to d Yeah, there's a
line out and store as well, just before you do it,
just to make sure.

Speaker 7 (01:15:26):
Yeah, we had quite a conversation. X. I'll tell you what,
We're going to take a short break. Stay with us, Bryce,
We'll take a break and then we'll come back and
wrap up with Bryce in just a moment. And I've
got a couple of questions too, so you will be
with you in just a moment.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
It is seven forty six where d Y gets unstuck.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Cal the resident builder with Peter Wilfcare and Independent Building
Supplies the Future of Kiwi Building Today.

Speaker 7 (01:15:55):
News Dog B, your new suit z B and our
painting expert Bryce McDermott from Razine in one of the
color shops, is with us. Just actually I wanted to
just reflect on one particular thing which is around ceiling timber,
you know, like exterior so exterior trims, a bit of

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faci or a bit of barge board, a little bit
of a scribe or something like that. Chippies when they
cut it need to seal the end of the timber,
don't they.

Speaker 9 (01:16:26):
Yeah, Yeah, you've got to seal off the end grains, yep.

Speaker 7 (01:16:30):
And failure to do so, we'll just accelerate de kay m.

Speaker 9 (01:16:34):
Well, that's quite topical. I went and saw a top
of the on Friday, yep, where they had an extension
done in the eighties. Yes, and the ingrains went sealed
on the extension and it started well. They had to
replace some weatherboards because it was rotting from the end end.

Speaker 7 (01:16:55):
Yeah, okay, interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:16:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:16:58):
We have little bottles of quick dry with a thing
on top of them, so you can stick it in
your tool belt and just squidge it on the ingrains
and the way you go.

Speaker 7 (01:17:12):
That's nifty, right. I might pick one of those up
when I'm at Wiraw in the next couple of days.
Thank you very much for that. And the other thing
is around and it sounds really finicky, but it seems
like the best practice, like if you're nailing off weatherboards,
is if you're going to punch the head of the nail,
then you seal that as well. So either with a

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small artist brush or with a squeegee or something like that.
Those exposed fibers around the perimeter I guess of the
nail where you've punched it, that needs to be sealed
as well before applying filler.

Speaker 11 (01:17:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:17:48):
Absolutely, And it's the fillers being applied and sand or
flushed smooth. You've then got to you undercot over the
top of it as well. Yes, just to stop you
knows quite a lot of fillers that are used nowadays
a water board, right, and you know if you don't
seal them off properly, they can suck up a bit

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of moisture and expand and yep, basically pop out of
the hole.

Speaker 7 (01:18:14):
Yeah. And that was a long discussion that we had
with a woman who's who's had a deck screwed down
and they just keep popping up, right, And I think
it's the lack of sealer, which means that the the
filler isn't able to adhere to anything either. It's just
sitting on top of the screw head.

Speaker 8 (01:18:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:18:31):
And a couple of quick questions to wrap up with Bryce.
This one is a goodie morning. Can you please ask
the painting expert again, that's you, Bryce, what's the best
way to paint a remo wood slat bed frame?

Speaker 11 (01:18:46):
So?

Speaker 7 (01:18:46):
I presume that the remo has probably had some sort
of coating on it, whether it's an oil or a polyurathane.
So if you'll shift it's remove it's got some polly
on it. Let's say you want to paint it, what
do you do?

Speaker 9 (01:19:01):
I'll give it a good cleanup, stand it, and we
get back to the water board sure seal here.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
That's the twosing drimer.

Speaker 9 (01:19:12):
So once you've sanded it, cleaned it up and everything
like that, apply the water shoe seal, let that dry,
and then you can paint over the.

Speaker 15 (01:19:19):
Top of it.

Speaker 7 (01:19:20):
Okay, and it's but it's the sure seal that's the
key part. That's actually because that you've used that phrase
over the is quite a lot adhesion primer. What's that
actually about.

Speaker 9 (01:19:32):
I mean, you've got you polyurothane is generally, you know,
if people are painting over them, they've obviously been in
place for some time, and generally they're old oil based
coatings or something that's equally tougher, perhaps a lacquer or
something like that. You know, you've got to give them
a sand up, and you need something that will actually

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sort of attach itself to the coating basically. You know,
if you just paint straight over the top of it,
even to the sand or a light sand or something
like that, it doesn't have the ability to hand to
that clear coating.

Speaker 7 (01:20:10):
Okay, So that that's really so again, you know, thinking
about some renovations and alterations. You know, typically today weather
boards come pre prime, so they've got a factory like
a primer or just a coating over the top. In
terms of finishing those boards off, the boards are installed,

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you've punched the nails, you've filled the nails, spot prime,
that a whole new code of primer over the top
of the board.

Speaker 9 (01:20:40):
Yep, absolutely right. Holding primers, you know you're applied by
the men with the board or manufacturer. They're basically just
a handling prime and they don't last very long and
start to deteriorate. So as early as two weeks after

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they've been applied, yes, they start to get a bit dusty.
And yeah, ye, best practices to sand those woods and
apply a full coat of quick drive before you start TATA.

Speaker 7 (01:21:12):
So even though the factory coating is most likely going
to be an oil burn or an oil based one,
going over the top of it in quick dry a
water borne is not a problem.

Speaker 11 (01:21:24):
A problem, okay, all right?

Speaker 7 (01:21:26):
So for me, sand dust it off, quick dry over
the top, light sand, two coats, a lumber side, a
job done.

Speaker 9 (01:21:35):
If you don't do that, you run the risk of
you the failure of the top coats right, or it
just doesn't adhere properly. Yes, and I think that's quite
prevalent around the place if you look at new subdivisions here. Yeah,
I know, under pressure from constraints.

Speaker 7 (01:21:59):
Yeah, the builder or the developer looks at it and goes, look,
it's got a primer on it. Just whack the top
coat on. But it's not going to lie as is it. No,
that ain't gonna last. Radio. It's all about doing it properly.
And to do that you need the advice and you
get the advice from the good people at your Razine
Color shop. As always, Bryce, thanks very much for joining
us this morning. Have a great day and appreciate your

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advice and look forward to chatting with you again soon.
Rightioh folks, We've got another half hour of building chat
straight after the new Sport and where the top of
the hour at eight o'clock and then at eight point thirty.
As always, Redcline passed will be in the studio. In
this case he's in his studio and I'm the trespasser today.

(01:22:42):
So I'm in christ Church which is looking absolutely stunning
and roots along shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Measure twice call once on eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty the resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp and independent Building
Supplies the future of kN WE Building Today, News Talk sedb.

Speaker 7 (01:23:03):
Your news talks. He'd be Pete wolf Camp, resident builder
with you this morning as it happens with you this
morning from christ Church where it is just an absolutely
gorgeous morning. So I'm sure it's familiar to the christ
Church people. But the studio here is opposite Margaret Mayhee Park,
and I've often heard the announcers working out of here

(01:23:25):
commenting about the fact that it's lovely to see people
in the park and so on. It is right there,
and of course the window is at street level, so
people wandering by, one of whom might be Red climb
pass who will storm and hear like the three bears
discovering Goldilocks, has has eaten the porridge and gone to sleep,
thinking what the hell are you doing in my studio? Anyway,

(01:23:46):
Rud will be along from eight thirty this morning and
then we'll talk all things in the wonderful world of
bugs and out in the garden. But if you've got
a building question, you should call us right now. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call.
I've been down in christ Church, came down on Thursday
to attend part of or most of the Razine Construction

(01:24:11):
Systems Conference, which they have every two years. I acted
as a brand ambassador for them, so really nice to
be invited to come down to conference. I acted as
MC for kind of a fairly technical day on Friday
with a number of guest speakers, one of whom happened
to be John Kerwin. Sir John Kerwin, who spoke at
the end of the day. I've met him on a

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number of occasions, actually went to the same school. We
both went to De Lasal back in the early well.
I finished there in nineteen eighty four. John left, I
think a year or two before me, but I can
still remember tremendous amount of excitement at the college to
have the first old boy selected to play for the
All Blacks, and that was JK back in nineteen eighty

(01:24:56):
four roughly. But he was just an absolutely stunning speaker,
the way in which he engaged with people and the
message that he had so for a couple of De
las l old boys to stand together after you know,
it's getting on forty years, isn't it was really actually
quite special. I have to say it was awesome and

(01:25:17):
then the gala and I and you know, awards dinners
for trades people are I think a really really important thing.
And what was very cool at the awards dinner last night,
and this is regional awards commercial work, renovation work, and
then kind of you know business acumen and so on.

(01:25:38):
Many of the people that came up to receive their
awards were young, which I thought was really really exciting
in terms of for the industry. So these are people
who are running their plastering businesses, whether it's in the
South Island, middle of the North Island, Auckland. In fact,
Phil from Proclad who came and did the work at

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some little bit of work at my place trying our
new product microstone. We refreshed the garden table at my
place that I built about twenty odd years ago. He
got several awards, which was awesome. So really cool to
catch up with Phil and all of the other award winners,
including young Caleb who works for Phil now, who did
some work for us when we were doing our little

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host project a couple of years ago as well. So
great connections. Also bumped into a delightful young woman Nicole,
whose father in law is Peter Lyon. He's a sharer
in the South in the southern part of the South
Island apparently listens to the show quite a bit. I
said that I would give you a shout out, So
Peter Lyon's down Sherer, down in Southland somewhere, lovely that

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you're listening. Delightful to bump into Nicole at the conference
again yesterday, and hope that you're having an awesome day. Right,
let's get amongst some calls. Andrew, good morning to you.

Speaker 11 (01:26:56):
You go, Peter greetings, Yeah, Hi, Look, I wonder if
you're going to help me.

Speaker 16 (01:27:00):
We're looking at burchasing a commercial property that is an.

Speaker 11 (01:27:06):
Need of major repair. And what the developers telling us
is that it's a freestanding commercial property on about three
thousand square meters of land. The property it's out there's
a one level, eight hundred square meter sort of trade
retail property. And he's replacing everything like for light, like

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he's replacing the roof's replacing all the air conditioning, all
the cladding, stripping it back to its bare bones. And
there's a bit of dispute whether or not he needs
a building consent to do all this work. What are
you thought Okay, there's not a lot of jowinery in
the property. Yep, okay, so that's probably staying. The doors

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are staying where they are. But all the clouding is
coming off, all the roof, all the air conditioning, all
getting replaced was new.

Speaker 7 (01:27:59):
There's a part of So essentially, work that can be
done without necessarily requiring consent is set out and schedule
one the Building Act, right, and that talks a little
bit about cladding in terms of repairs and maintenance, and
it talks about proportions, right, so you know, if you're
going to do everything that's more than just a portion

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of the cladding, And often that is what triggers a
requirement for a building consent. Saying that you know most
of the building consent stuff. I mean, commercial buildings need
building consents as much as residential properties do.

Speaker 11 (01:28:35):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:28:37):
I wonder whether I suppose it's two pathways forward in
terms of feeling confident about the work. One is to
approach counsel and sit with one of their planning people
or one of their most councils, have a building help
death desk and say do you think that this work
requires a consent? Now you're asking sort of you know,

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the person that's interested in giving you a consent whether
you need one, and so you've got to filter through
that and go are they just saying yes, I do
need one, because I actually need one. The other approaches
to contract with a designer or an architect or a
building serve, a registered building serve to ask them whether
that work fits within the scope of schedule one. What

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would I suppose? The other thing is what would be involved.
Ideally the person that you're purchasing or might be purchasing from,
they're undertaking this work.

Speaker 11 (01:29:32):
Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 16 (01:29:33):
And they're putting a whole new roof on it, and
they're putting new air conditioning on the roof, which will
cause penetration. They're modifying the alarm system, and it was
under my understanding that any work like that must require
a building consent. It's you know, I thought it was
black and white.

Speaker 11 (01:29:52):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:29:52):
Now the alarm system is the alarm system part of
a fire system?

Speaker 11 (01:29:57):
Yeah, in a building more on a fitness.

Speaker 7 (01:29:59):
Oh, then I think it requires a building consent because,
and it's quite clear in the legislation that as soon
as you're altering something that is part of a building system,
you know, fire, egress access those sorts of things. It
typically requires a building consent, so I would be fairly
confident in saying, yeah, it needs to consent.

Speaker 11 (01:30:22):
Do you know about the roof and their conditioning? You
have a commercial needs a new roof?

Speaker 7 (01:30:26):
No, well, again, you know reroofing if it is like
for like, and often you know these buildings will have
you know, like a steel perlin with mesh and then
building paper over the top, right, so you're not changing
the pearlins. It's probably a sort of a trade deck
standing scene type roofing product. You're going to replace that.
You probably replace the roofing underlay at the same time,

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and then adding penetrations and that sort of thing. That's
part of the work of the contractors doing the air
con So that probably doesn't need it. It's the building
systems that would trigger the requirement for building consent.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
All right, as go, and a quick text.

Speaker 7 (01:31:02):
Has come through. So the person says, I'm an IQ piece,
an independently qualified person. The answer is yes, it's more
than repairs. So there you go. That's a thought as well.
Nice to chat with you, Good luck all the this
take care radio Tim Greetings, Hello Tim, Hey greasy very well,

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how can I help.

Speaker 17 (01:31:28):
So we're just at the completion of our build, and
obviously doding company gets pretty heavy on you signing the
practical completion and yeah, so we got handed the keys
on last week and my wife and I took a
took a brief walk through.

Speaker 10 (01:31:46):
Yes I was.

Speaker 17 (01:31:48):
I was in tears and visibly shaken. Yeah, she's infuriated.
But basically, you know, we're left with a fairly substandard product.
Their email was very positive, saying, we're really proud of
what we've of it, but it's a pretty horrific result.

Speaker 10 (01:32:11):
Yeah, you know, I started.

Speaker 17 (01:32:14):
The whole project started with coming back from holiday and
noticing that the boxing was too close to the fence, right, okay,
so they can't use the tape measure, and then ongoing
all the way through, one of the builders went bally up.
So it's a housing company. I won't mention the name, sure,
but one of the builders went bally up that they

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had contracted. The next one happens to be one that
was fired from another building company.

Speaker 7 (01:32:45):
So sorry, we're just burst into the studio as you
can imagine, but don't worry, I'll focus on you. But
it's delightful to see the old boy here. Fantastic. Okay,
a couple of quick questions for you. The is the
either the builder or the developer or the firm out

(01:33:06):
of either Master Builders or Certified Builders.

Speaker 17 (01:33:10):
I'm not I was under the impression they were part
of Master Builders.

Speaker 10 (01:33:15):
Yea, all right, but I'm not sure.

Speaker 17 (01:33:18):
They don't even have an LBP as far as I know.
The only thing they had was left the company. Ah,
so they don't even have an LVP on the books locally.

Speaker 7 (01:33:30):
So he's supervising the work because you know, well all
restricted building.

Speaker 17 (01:33:36):
I guess it's the builder on record which is the
one that got fired from the other.

Speaker 7 (01:33:42):
Now, but when did he stop engaging with the build.

Speaker 17 (01:33:48):
Well, he's still sending out his guys every now and
again to supposedly fix problems. I mean, the last thing
they did was try and fix the cavity slider and
completely butchered it. So I'm just wondering what my.

Speaker 7 (01:34:04):
What your revenues are. Yeah, Look, I've been involved with
a maid of mine who went through a very similar
thing actually, and I can certainly understand and appreciate the
distress because you've put your heart and soul into this,
right it's it's more than bricks and mortar this all. Yeah,

(01:34:26):
well that's another thing too, Okay, okay, So a couple
of things to go and research who's the LBP and
and they need to be held to account, right, So
if they're signing off record of works and that sort
of thing, they their work then needs to reach a

(01:34:48):
certain standard. And if they've had issues in terms of
they either haven't supervised enough, or they haven't been on
site or they weren't actually there when work was undertaken,
and yet they've still issued a record of work, then
you might be heading down the disciplinary process with the
LBP board. The other the thing is check whether you know,

(01:35:08):
have they offered you any warranties for the bill, like
you know, is there a master builder?

Speaker 17 (01:35:14):
So they sent out that after practical completion, after I
paid the final thing which they started threatening, you know,
they send the letter that's let's all go to tribunal
and let's.

Speaker 7 (01:35:27):
All go, well, hey, bring it on, we've got.

Speaker 10 (01:35:30):
The upper hands yep. So you know I was kind
of what do you call it?

Speaker 17 (01:35:37):
Yeah, I've just just paid up because I had to.

Speaker 10 (01:35:42):
And yeah, look.

Speaker 7 (01:35:47):
I think in terms of immediate things to do, right,
So Monday's a new day. You need to be doing
a bit of investigation figuring out are they a member
of Master Builders or are they a member of Certified Builders.
And then you need to start compiling your defects list
right now, whether that's something you do or you get

(01:36:07):
someone in to help you with that, and you know
whether that's someone who does pre purchased inspections, another experienced
LBP to actually go back to them and say, look,
we're not going to accept practical completion. You might think
it's ready to your standards, but our professional has identified
all of these faults and therefore we're not going to

(01:36:30):
go ahead with practical completion. Saying that. Have you probably
moved out of a rental place and you're looking to
move into the house.

Speaker 17 (01:36:37):
Well, no, I live in a in a rundown villa at.

Speaker 10 (01:36:40):
The front of the section, right, yeah, all right, yep,
so you know it's.

Speaker 17 (01:36:45):
Actually a duplex, there's two of them, and hoping to
rent one out. It's pay the mortgage, gotcha, but you
know obviously can't. While yeah, while the builders, the painters
and people they're actually still coming and going, but yet they're.

Speaker 10 (01:37:02):
Saying it's plectical look because.

Speaker 17 (01:37:06):
They're faming you know, everything else is minor and facade.

Speaker 10 (01:37:10):
You know, it's aesthetic, but.

Speaker 17 (01:37:13):
You know when a door doesn't close and you've got
to have tradees coming and going, that doesn't seem like esthetic.

Speaker 7 (01:37:21):
No, that's not finished, right, I mean finished is finished.
Practical completion should be you know, like typically practical completion
might say the builders finished, there's the driveway to poor
or some outside landscaping or a washing line to put
up or something like that, but it shouldn't mean we're
continuing with you know, touch ups on the inside of
the house or fixing the sliding door and that sort

(01:37:42):
of thing. So I think that if you if they've
offered a warranty, then you need to be going to
the people that stand behind the warranty because that won't
be just the builder and getting them on board as
quickly as possible. So if it happens to be NZCB
New Zealand Certified Builders, or if it happens to be
Master Builders, you know, get on the phone to them
immediately and go, hey, look, I'm really having some issues

(01:38:06):
with one of your members. Can you send out your
local rep and get them on board as well, yeah,
that'll be the first step. But please stay in touch
because I'm always very curious as to where these things
end up washing up and sorry to hear it, and
I can hear the distress in your voice. And this
is the thing I think that we as contractors, as

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builders and that forget that it's it's not always just
about the physical work that we do, right, We're also
part of people's hopes and dreams, right, and you know
that that's a responsibility that we have and we you know,
we're looking after your investment and your hopes and dreams,
and I think sometimes we need to be a bit
more gentle with that sort of stuff. Nice to talk

(01:38:50):
to you to all the best and good luck, good luck,
take care. We'll talk to Susan straight after the break.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
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Speaker 7 (01:39:09):
There be absolutely fabulous to have Rid in the studio
in his studio. I'm just the interloper today, so roods
with us. We'll kick off very shortly with Rud but
before then, Susan, good morning.

Speaker 18 (01:39:23):
Well, good morning. I'm wondering about underfloor insulation. Yes, I
had it replaced about four years ago. At that time,
I had boil underneath the wooden floor boards. I've got
wooden floors mainly exposed in the living areas and then

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parted in the bedroom. And I was told that it
needed to be replaced because of course of it, you know,
the spark hasard, et cetera. And at that time it
was under the warm Akimi homes.

Speaker 14 (01:40:00):
Right Yeah, so.

Speaker 18 (01:40:05):
They said that I'd need to take that out and
have it replaced if they were to top up the
ceiling that needed topping up. But I found that the
foil was much better when the polyester went in. I

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can feel cold draft coming up, like it's almost like
someone got cold air and pumping it up through the flour,
which I've never had with the.

Speaker 7 (01:40:38):
With the foil.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
With the foil, the foil.

Speaker 18 (01:40:40):
Was really good, and I didn't realize how good it
was until they took it out.

Speaker 7 (01:40:44):
Okay, look, I'm not going to disagree with your lived experience. Certainly,
from a technical point of view, you will have a
higher R value by installing a different type of insulation,
and certainly it is best practice to remove the foil
insulation when you add another form of insulation, so you

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don't have two of them together, because you'll get issues
with condensation potentially underneath the floor. Saying that if you're
in a particular area where you've got a reasonable amount
of airflow or wind that passes under the floor, then
there are certain types of floor insulation that have like
a building paper attached to them, which means that you

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are stopping wind wash. And in that case, it might
be that there was a better choice of underfloor installation
given the drafts. But you could still actually if you
wanted to. I don't know whether it would be part
of the Warmer Homes program, but you could have someone
install a basically a building rap on the underside of

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the floor joist that will reduce the impact of those
of the wind that creates the drafts, and then you'd
get the best of both worlds.

Speaker 18 (01:42:01):
Yes, well, after I mentioned what was happening, came through
and put I think it's it's like a sale material.
It's blue color, but it's usually designed for walls in
a new build.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
Oh yep, yep, they put that underneath.

Speaker 18 (01:42:20):
I'm not sure if that helped at all. But when
the other day went under photographs and it's starting to
kind of come off where they have believe it has
concrete concrete pillars. It's a double brick.

Speaker 11 (01:42:38):
House.

Speaker 7 (01:42:39):
The material that you're describing, did they put it on
the floor or the underside of the floor joists.

Speaker 18 (01:42:45):
Underside of the floor joist, so there's the ground that
then yes, I think the floor joists and around the
pillars on the concrete foundations. But these houses are particularly cold,
built in the nineteen thirty sure, so really cold. And yeah,

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so one point five are writing value of the polyuth.

Speaker 7 (01:43:12):
Of the underfloor installation and that'll be like typically elementum
foil will give you about point six zero point six.
So look, I think Susan ideally you've done the right
thing or they've helped you to do the right thing
by removing the foil insulation adding the underfloor installation. If
you can install that, essentially it's a protective barrier to

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stop the wind pushing through and creating drafts. As long
as that's installed well, and it might need some extra
strapping or something to hold it in place, you will
get a better result. I'm pretty confident of that. And
appreciate your call. Thanks very much for all of your calls. RDIO.
We're going to take a short break and then d
Rotcline Pass is right. You can tell I'm not the

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musical one of this particular duo. Root Cline Pass with
us straight after the.

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