Full Show Podcast: 05 April 2026

On the show today, we chatted repairing showers, FENZ water regulations, accessibility ramps and code of compliance.

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Speaker 5 (01:38):
Well, a very very good morning and welcome along to
the Resident Builder on Sunday here at News Talk Sat B.
You're with me Pete wolf Camp, the Resident Builder, and
this as every Sunday, is an opportunity for us to
talk about your place, basically, to talk about the things
that you'd like to do, maybe to talk about the
things that you are doing, and then maybe we can

(02:00):
celebrate some successes or perhaps you can ask me some
tricky questions in the hope that I might be able
to get you out of a sticky situation. I know
what it's like. Not everything goes according to plan when
you're doing jobs around the house or having other people
do them for you around the house in some cases
as well. So anything to do with building construction, the

(02:23):
rules and regulations, the little bits and pieces that you
need to buy or that you need to find or
that you need to use in order to complete the
job successfully. All of these things we can talk about
on this show this morning here at News Talk SeeDB.
It is, of course Easter Sunday, so very happy and
Holy Easter to all of you. Trust that. I think

(02:45):
it's got a slightly different vibe, isn't it like the roads?
We had to do a little bit of driving. I
think all of us are just doing as little driving
as we possibly can these days. But had to shoot
out to the airport on Saturday, and thought, Jeet, it's
Saturday in Auckland driving it can feel like five o'clock
on a Friday. It didn't. And I noticed actually in

(03:07):
the news just a moment ago at the six o'clock
news talking about one of the guys. Carl Taylor from CBS,
which is Combined Building Supplies, I think it is a
very good crowd. They hate talking about the fact that,
you know, lots and lots of trades people are already
getting those emails from their suppliers saying, hey, you know

(03:29):
we're paying. I was reading one email from a supply
the other day. You know, basically, monthly fuel costs have
gone from twenty grand to forty grand. You can only
hang on to that for a little while. And given
that all of the conversation at the moment seems to
be around this is even if there is some miraculously
resolution to the situation around Iran, the fact is the

(03:53):
disruption will continue for I don't know, three months, six
months people are talking about. So if you're a digger
operator or you're delivering materials to cite, prices are going
to go. I don't know if there's a quick way
around that. Probably not get your materials on site now

(04:13):
easy to say, harder to do. So. Obviously, there's a
little bit of choppy water ahead for the construction sector, which,
to be fair, has had its fair share of headwinds
for the last two years or so, and now to
have it have this disruption as well as going to
have a material impact on the way in which the

(04:35):
construction sector responds and rebounds off what's been a fairly
low base. So we can talk a little bit about
that if you want to on the show. But now
it's a slightly different Easter today. I have to say
in the same way that it was my pleasure to
come in and work here on Friday morning to do
Friday breakfast, and we have a full commercial schedule, so

(04:58):
typically Easter Sunday a non commercial date, not anymore. Rules
have changed, so it'll sound pretty much like every other
Sunday nowadays. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. That number
doesn't change. Neither does the text machine or the text
number which is nine two nine two or ZBZB from
your mobile phone. And if you would like to email me,
you're more than welcome to do that. It's Pete Atnewstook

(05:21):
zb dot co dot nz. Where the email can be
useful is if you want to say something a little
bit more than you can fit onto a text, and
also if you want to send a photograph, like a
family that sent me a photograph of their driveway. I'm
not going to go into a terrible amount of detail
because it's obviously at private. But this was a classic

(05:42):
situation where a contractor had been doing some work had
made a bit of a mess, right, and so I
guess and a sign of good faith, sent one of
the boys down with a water blaster to clean it up.
Except said person, using what might have been a very
very powerful water blaster, has now done fairly significant damage

(06:05):
to the surface of the driveway as a result of
the enthusiasm at which they use the water blaster. So
how do you fix that? That's a really really good question.
But of course in order to discuss that, they were
able to send some photographs, which they could do via
the email, which is Pete at Newstalk SeeDB dot co
dot nz. So p e t E at Newstalk SeeDB

(06:28):
dot co dot Nz. I've got to I might start
like a community community notices. It's like building notices. There's
a few things coming up that you might want to
know about, including a couple of events that I'm going
to next week in in Auckland is the Pool and
Spa Expo. It's going to be on at the Auckland

(06:48):
show Grounds. It's put on by SPARSA, which is the
Spa and Pool Association, and it's all about kind of
I suppose, ultimately raising the standards professionalism within the industry,
but also an opportunity for you to come along and
have a look at Paul and spas if you're interested
in those, and also a series of seminars which I'll

(07:10):
be hosting throughout the day. So that's nextday, Saturday and Sunday.
I'll be there, so I'll give you a bit more
detail on that as we go through. And then if
you recall, it would be almost a year ago a
delightful call from a gentleman in Palmerston North who was
super excited about the annual wood Turning Festival. Well it's

(07:31):
on again this year. It's going to be on the
seventeenth of May, and so after the show on Sunday morning,
the seventeenth of May, I'm going to hop on a
in New Zealand flight and a nip down to Parmeston
North and and act I guess as kind of like
a comp here for the Golden Chisel competition at Palmerston North.
This is the wood Turners Gill. I'll give you more

(07:51):
detail on this too, but this will be super exciting,
so really looking forward to that. And there's a couple
of other wood events around as well, including an international
conference being held here in Auckland, so i'll give you
deats on that as we go through the show. OH
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The lines are open. The
number to call is OH eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

(08:13):
Again you can text through nine two ninety two or
zbzb and if you'd like. But it'll be lovely of
the chat. So let's get in and amongst it on
this Easter Sunday. Colin, Good morning, yes, good morning to you.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
I have a shower three sided a glass door. The
base has been quite spongy for quite a long time,
and last week found that there was a crack about
an inch in length in the base. I went into
one of the main trading shops and they gave me
a card. The chap came out and said I would

(08:49):
have to renew the whole shell, which could cost anything
from zero to seven thousand. But what I'm wondering, can
I just replace the base which is probably about The
shower would be about twenty two years old, so the.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
The shower base is an acrylic shower base pre formed,
and then the lining that goes around it. Is that
also an acrylic lining that's stuck to the wall. Yeah,
look to me, the practical side of this is that
often you can take the shower doors out because they're
kind of screwed and then held in with a bit

(09:28):
of silicon, so you can cut through the silicon, take
the screws out, take the doors out. Taking the lining
off without either damaging the lining or significantly damaging the
plasterboard that it's fixed to is often impractical, right, and
especially if it's a three sided one, because you can
sort of work in from both edges, but then trying

(09:50):
to get to the back one because you can't get
around the corners is incredibly difficult. So I think typically
in that instance they're a bit of a throwaway unfortunately.
And then once the lining comes out, then obviously you
can remove and repla the shower tray. The person that
you who came to see it is probably being quite realistic.

(10:12):
Did they at all say that they could have a
go at trying to fix the crack in the shower?

Speaker 4 (10:19):
No, not at all.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
No, No, he was upfront and he said that I
would have to replace the whole shower.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
Okay, And look, I'm not going to challenge what he's saying,
but I'm also persistent, and so I would circle around
and go, look, what about you do what you would
normally do to repair a crack or a ding in
an acrylic shower or a basin, and if it fails,

(10:48):
you bear no responsibility for it. So as a professional,
he's given you the correct advice, which is I could
do a repair, I could charge you for the repair,
but I kind of know that it's not really going
to work, whereas in your instance, you could possibly look
at it and go, okay, well, look if I pay
you three or four hundred dollars or whatever it's going

(11:09):
to cost to repair it, and I find that in
a year's time it's failed, I'm not going to hold
you responsible, but I might have got a year's use
out of it or maybe at last, in which case
you know, it's completely up to you how you make
that decision. But there are a couple of well, there's
a number of companies around. I'm not sure where you are,

(11:30):
but certainly in the Auckland area and most of the
large metropolitans, there'll be people who specialize in acrylic repairs.
So for example, we had we installed on a project
a new vanity. Someone I'm not sure who it was,
and it may well have been me either dropped a
chisel or something like that and took a ding out

(11:53):
of the corner of it.

Speaker 7 (11:54):
And so.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
One of the crylic facts I think they were called,
came did a little repair. It's you know, you can't
see it, so I guess you can. You could You
could circle back and just say, hey, look, could you
could you if you wanted to? Could you have a
gut doing the repair? And I'm not going to hold
you responsible for it and that might solve the problem.

Speaker 6 (12:18):
The person that I got the card from at one
of the big Yeah hard wall cases told me they've
been up to a course and autround to repair, but
he never mentioned that. He straight away said that I
would have to replace the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
So yeah, and me that I'm going to have to
And it may well be the case. And sometimes what
it will be about is that when the shower tray
was installed, they didn't quite get the leveling out right.
So when when you install them, and they are actually
a little bit tricky to install, it's really important that
you get the right amount of adhesive in exactly the

(12:54):
right place and that the substrate is flat, because otherwise,
you know if there's any gaps underneath it. You imagine
every time you're standing in the shower that acrylic lining
is moving, and that move it will allow crack to
develop over time.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
And as I said, it's been spongy for quite a
long time, right.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Okay, Yeah, and again they could fix the crack, but
it's not fixing the sponginess, so unfortunately, it may well
be a whole new shower.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah. I think it is all the best.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Colleing my pleasure, Take care, Thanks very much, Colin. It
is coming up twenty minutes after six. This is going
to be interesting. A quick text before the break and
I'll respond after the break. High, I've got plans into
council for building consent in a rural property and Rodney

(13:47):
new regulations require forty four thousand liters of water storage
allocated to fire fighting. Is this achievable without installing two
additional water tanks? Thanks Russell. This is a huge issue. Yeah,

(14:08):
we'll come back and talk about that after the break.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Six twenty begging what they forgot to mention on that
YouTube video the resident Builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent
Building Supplies the future of Kiwi Building today call eight
hundred used DOGSB Just.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
Quickly before we go to Peter to talk about showers.
This text message from Russell. A couple of weeks ago,
maybe a month or so ago, we had actually quite
a long, extensive discussion around exactly this issue, which is
kind of a new requirement for It's not necessarily for
rural areas. It's simply areas that don't have fire hydrants.

(14:49):
Seemingly and as part of your building consent process FENS
have I'm trying to think about how this actually would
have worked. I suppose Fens would have looked at it
and gone to Inby and Mby would have instructed the
building consent authorities to add this requirement, which is to

(15:11):
provide water for fire fighting for each individual property if
there's no hydrant I assume in the street. So in
this case in Rodney, persons required to provide forty four
thousand liters of water storage. Now water tanks typically a
big one is thirty thousand leaders. So you're immediately forced

(15:32):
into the situation of having to have at least two,
and then there's a special coupling that you have to
install so that the fire service can then directly couple
onto that to draw water from there in the event
that they need to use your water to put out

(15:52):
the fire at your place. There's a It's a slightly
tricky situation to talk about because I don't think anyone,
if we're really honest, wants to criticize the fire Service
for ensuring that people are much more self reliant. But
there is a practical thing, and this came out in

(16:12):
the discussion a couple of times. Is you know, if
it's like I know people who have a week talk
to a person two three weeks ago on the show
who lives it's like two and a half kilometers down
a gravel driveway, and they're being asked to install tanks
for firefighting. The reality is, if their house was caught fire,

(16:35):
by the time the fire Service scott there, there would
be nothing to put out right. So having to put
in firefighting water for firefighting and then being that far
away that it's impractical seems like the right thing to
do or for the right reasons, But it's impractical, but
it's still there. So Russell as best I understand it,

(16:55):
and I will go into this in a lot more
detail over the next couple of weeks because I've got
a couple of other projects where this is going to
impact the project as well. Yes, at the stage, you
do need to do that. Or I did speak with
a couple who were building just outside of Gore. I
was in need in a couple of weeks ago, and
their solution to this requirement was to install a sprinkler

(17:18):
system inside the house and so then all they needed
to do was provide I think was about seven thousand
liters of water storage that would allow the sprinkler to
activate should there be a fire inside the house, and
that would then give I suppose enough time for the
brigade to get there with sufficient supply. So that might
be your other option, Russell, is to look at sprinkler

(17:40):
systems because they are there, and to be fair, they're
not as ugly as they used to be. Twenty six
minutes after six right here, Steve, thanks for waiting. Good
morning to you.

Speaker 8 (17:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, two things there. You're talking about your fire,
I think. But first of all with the driveway, yes,
over zealous for the water blaster what're a leveling compound
cover it? I mean it's very rough.

Speaker 5 (18:06):
Yeah, I think it's one of those things you know
how sometimes you do a repair, but it just attracts
your eye to the area that you've repaired, like it
just makes the repair. Oh yeah, but look, doing a topping,
no floor, living and compound wouldn't survive outside for that long. No,
I don't think it's designed to do that. I don't
think it's designed for exterior. I have done a microstone render,

(18:31):
which is through razine construction system on an outdoor concrete
surface that is trafficable or No, it's more for pedestrian.
I'm not sure that you would necessarily want to drive.

Speaker 8 (18:43):
Thing I thought of. There's a foot deck living and
compound on and tiled over it.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
But this is a person's driveway rightway too. To be fair,
I've tiled a garage floor. But again, you know, durability
and so on. You have some concerns. I'm not. I've

(19:09):
got a call into a made of mine who's an
expit in this sort of thing, and I'll see if
I can come up with a solution for these people.

Speaker 8 (19:16):
We lived up in Coromandel. We had a see declared house,
and we were about two kilometers from the fire station
but was beside the road, so it was quite quite anxious.
I put in two large tanks in behind the garrows.
I just sat there with the fire fire engine capable

(19:39):
coupling meth and also fire hose outside. If there happened
to be a fire on the outside and we spotted
it early enough, yes we could deal with it. But
it wasn't It wasn't a condition of insurance. But when
I told them what I had, they were very happy

(20:01):
and got used at once for a neighbor's house across
the road.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Yeah, so it was they knew it was there.

Speaker 8 (20:10):
And you can buy all the couplings and fit them in.
I had had them all checked that and.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
Yeah, I look, there's this. You know these solutions obviously,
but I mean not ever. And this is the thing too.
You know, if you're on an average size section and
let's say you're in a rural ish area where you
have to do your own rainwater harvesting, because the thing
with the provisions as I understand them, are that the
tanks that you provide for fire fighting cannot be connected

(20:41):
to your house for pottable supply. Right, So you have
to have separate water tanks for drinking water and showering
and so on, and then an other set of tanks
that is solely dedicated to fire fighting.

Speaker 8 (20:54):
You know why setup was there was was both, it
was dual, and everybody was heavy.

Speaker 7 (20:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
Well, in terms of the regulations though, they can't be
as best I understand it. Yeah, okay, Steve.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
I appreciate the.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
Call, and we've got We've got a bunch of people
to get to talk to you this morning, which is exciting,
So thanks for that. I don't know if you've got
a magic solution for, you know, touching up a driveway
that's been damaged due to over zealous application of the
water blaster. I'd love to hear from you. And again,
you know, I don't have a problem with water blasting.
I find it enormously satisfying. But the over zealous application

(21:29):
of it, yep, it's going to be a problem. It
is six thirty Paul, Good morning to you.

Speaker 9 (21:34):
Yeah, good morning, Peter. How are you going? I? Well, ah,
that's good. Look, I have done a fire system. I'm
actually a plumber guest that'll a trade. And I've done
a rural house with a fire system put into it.
Now I use a system called leap Leap.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
I was going to say, is this fairly recently?

Speaker 9 (21:56):
Yes, it was, it was, It was with him in
the last two years.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
Yeah, brilliant.

Speaker 9 (22:00):
And the beauty of the system is that you can
use your existing water store is that you've got, but
you just have to have your draw off so you've
still got that.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
Yven or maintain. Is it seven thousand letters that it
requires to get the systemic?

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (22:18):
And then and then what you do as well is
that because you'll have a series of two pumps. You
are one for your house pump and then you have
one for your fire system. What you do is the
one on the fire system you hook your one of
your toilets up to it so that pump is always
getting to If you know the pumping its not working,

(22:41):
your toilet won't work.

Speaker 10 (22:42):
You see.

Speaker 9 (22:43):
So that gets around that part of it. And as
well as that, with a rural property and all the
modern components that a house is made of, there's actually
a fire that won't kill you. It's the smoke you'll do.
The smoke of the sprinkle system will give you enough
time to get out of the house and possibly put

(23:05):
the fire out as well.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
Now people might be a bit concerned with the idea
of having sprinklers attached to a detector inside the house.
And given that I, for a period of time used
to set off the smoke alarm inside the kitchen whenever
I cook steak, you know, I wouldn't want that to
then activate the sprinklers. So the sprinklers are activated by heat,
not by smoke.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
A that's correct, yeah, okay.

Speaker 9 (23:30):
And as well as that, the system that you put
it together with is exactly like bugeline pipe. It's a
bigger pipe that goes up to one inch in diameter
instead of three quarter.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah, I'm with And.

Speaker 9 (23:44):
Before you commission or when you commission it, you you
have to do a series of tests to make sure
you've got the right flows going through it, right, Yes,
So you get like a big rubbish a really bin,
and you will then take one of the sprinkler heads
off and you'll test how much water is getting pumped
through that system and how quickly went with no head

(24:07):
on it, you know, the catti a water. Of course,
that's the average principle.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
We did a place years ago and put sprinklers into
them as well. In fact, it was the very first
series of the block, so twenty twelve, and we put
sprinklers in, and you know, I was always curious as
to what is that going to be like when they
go off? Right, And at one stage we did inadvertently

(24:35):
one of them went off, and I'll tell you what.
It's a lot of water.

Speaker 9 (24:40):
It's a huge amount of water, Yeah, which is amazing.

Speaker 11 (24:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
Sorry, Can I ask you just a quick question that
I've got to run, given that the pump, obviously you
require electricity for the pump, right, so the pump that's
adjacent the water storage that runs the sprinkler system. In
the event that there was a fire inside the house
and it shorted the power, do you make any provisi

(25:06):
for like a separate supply or a protected supply for
the electricity to the pump to ensure the pump keeps running.

Speaker 9 (25:15):
No, but this particular one had it had the pump
was on the back end of a separate head.

Speaker 7 (25:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Sure for them as well.

Speaker 9 (25:24):
And so so if the actual pair did go out,
you you would be in the car.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
Yeah, sure, sure. But I think I have to say
I had a couple of discussions with people around this
type of system, and you know, if you're going to
have to make provision for fire fighting, you know, whether
that's forty four thousand letters of storage or a sprinkless system,
which the estimate that I had was about seventeen thousand dollars.

(25:57):
Is that kind of roughly where you landed with?

Speaker 9 (25:59):
Correct?

Speaker 5 (26:00):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (26:00):
Ye?

Speaker 3 (26:01):
The other thing that's much more straightforward.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
Doesn't it.

Speaker 9 (26:04):
You can you can drop your concrete water tanks into
the ground so there's only a meter them poking out yep.
And as they're only a meter poking out at the ground,
then the fire service is able to then drop its
hoses into the top of the of the tank.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yes, all right.

Speaker 9 (26:21):
You they actually don't have to phifically have a stand
because the actual point stain it's quite an expensive operator.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
It is.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
Well yeah, yeah, Hey, appreciate the insight and the first
hand experience of that. I really do. Paul, Thank you
very much. Peter, Sorry we were a little bit delayed
to getting to you. I'll come to you straight after
the break. Peter, thanks very much.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Turning ohs into She'll be right The resident builder with
Peter Wolfcam and Independent Building Supplies the Future of Kiwi
Building Today, Call eight hundred eighty News Talks there b.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
Just gone six thirty nine here at news Talks there
be Pete good morning, Oh Peter, good morning to you.

Speaker 9 (27:01):
Oh, good morning Peter.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
Preecings greasings.

Speaker 12 (27:04):
Yes, I just want to talk about showers and stuff.
What can happen, will happen eventually? The lady with the
cracking up base. I'm just up north a bit and
I'm not going to mention any names.

Speaker 10 (27:17):
Of course, but a big builder built a house.

Speaker 12 (27:20):
For my girlfriend, a brand new house, very nice bathroom,
all tiled and not the shower. They had a lining
on it and glass door, but it creaked, and well
they said, I know that's nothing, don't worry about it. Well,
but I knew as a builder of fifty years that

(27:43):
eventually something will happen. And of course they knocked a
hole in the wall on the outside in the hallway
to try and get under the base, spray foam in there,
which you could have worked, but it didn't. It's still
creaked away. So eventually, you know, kicking and screaming, they

(28:05):
ripped the whole thing out, which makes you cry a bit. Really,
it's not something you want to do, really.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
It's one of those classics. And look, you know, as contractors, right,
we're always under time pressure, and time is money and
money is what clients often care about. And so I
think we've got ourselves as a sector into a space where, look,
I'm just you know, I'm so conscious about what my

(28:32):
invoice is going to look like and all the rest
of it that there is a temptation. And I think too,
we've developed a bit of short sight in this about
what we do in terms of I'm just doing what
I need to do in order to finish the job
and get out, whereas our horizon's got to be way
beyond that. Right, So when you're doing a job like
putting in a shower tray, which seems somehow insignificant, right,

(28:56):
you know, I'll just throw it in, right, I'll squirt
a bit of goop underneath it, and I'll poke it
in there, you know, and then I'm onto the next job. Well,
the fact is that shower tray should last, you know,
twenty thirty years, right at the very minimum, ideally longer,
but at the very minimum. So when we're doing this
work as contractors, we should be thinking to ourselves, is

(29:18):
what I'm doing today going to last for twenty years.
And the way in which I'm doing it is that
going to allow it to last for twenty years? And
then if we find that little voice in the back
of our head that goes, well, I don't think so, mate,
I don't know. If it's going to last three or
four years, then we should stop right and do it properly.
This is the thing.

Speaker 12 (29:38):
Well, they ripped out the base of the shower, and
of course under there he'd put rings of silicon around
to fit the tray on.

Speaker 10 (29:48):
Yep, under the tray.

Speaker 12 (29:50):
Of course all of them missed, yes, missed the thing
they put it in.

Speaker 10 (29:55):
It must have measured wrong or something.

Speaker 12 (29:57):
But you've got to put it on the other end
so you know it gets exactly on it.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
But even that, sometimes you know, if you flip the
shower tray up right so you've got it in, you
know it's level and all the rest of it. And
I'm sure in lots of cases the ground's not completely
level or completely flat, and so people go it'll be okay,
And then you get in place, you do a drive it,
you go, yeah, that's going to work.

Speaker 10 (30:19):
Great.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
Now I'm going to flip the tray up and I'm
going to put a big wadg of you know, the
right adhesive around each of those little round discs on
the underside of it. But then it doesn't always stick
to that particularly well, and as you're lowering it, half
the silicon falls off, right, you know what I mean.
So it's almost like you do a dry fit to
show the circles on the ground. Then you put a

(30:40):
bead of sealant where those circles are on the ground.
Then you lower your shower tray into it. But you
do that if you're not worried about you know, is
the client. Is my boss going to ask me, why
did it take you so long to install the shower tray? Well,
because I did it well and you won't be coming
back in five years. Yep, that's what it's about.

Speaker 12 (31:00):
And this one also had the piece of concrete they
put around the pipe too. Normally when they build a
concrete floor, they'll leave a hole for the shower. Yeah,
for sure, trapped to go in and stuff. Well, they
just packed a bit of sand in the bottom of
this by three hundred hole with vertical sides and no reinforcing, right,

(31:23):
so concrete was virtually just floating in the middle.

Speaker 6 (31:27):
Oh, yeah, it is crazy.

Speaker 12 (31:31):
That is just not going to work.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Yeah, you can put it out.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
By hand and it didn't work. So well, hey, look
at least the contractor came back to fix it, which,
to be fair, is better than some might do. Peter,
thanks very much for that. Really appreciate it. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is then iumber to call
six forty four On Easter Sunday here news stork said,
be Pam, good morning to you.

Speaker 13 (31:56):
Oh, good morning mate. I have got a water problem
with my washing machine.

Speaker 6 (32:02):
I have.

Speaker 13 (32:04):
To be quite honest. I had a new toilet put
in the room next door, and it's simply it's gone
in I do my I've got a front modor washing machine.
When I finished my washing, I turned the taps off,
turn the power switch off at the wall, leave the
door open so it all drives out and I can
go back an hour later and there's water in the

(32:25):
washing machine.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
It's it's how much water, like would it be the
equivalent of the water that might sit in the hose.
So from the from the tap connection that you've got,
there's obviously a hose that goes to the machine. So
the amount of water that you're seeing in the machine,
would it be the equivalent of the amount that might
be in that hose.

Speaker 13 (32:52):
Well, after three days away, I came home and there
was the water was just starting to run out the door.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Oh there's a lot of water.

Speaker 14 (33:03):
And I did get the.

Speaker 13 (33:05):
Washing machine people in the They've cleaned out the foot.
They said, oh, there might be something in the filter.
They cleaned the filter out, pulled out a little hairclipsing,
and away they went. And they said that that's your problem.
He said, great.

Speaker 7 (33:20):
Hello.

Speaker 13 (33:20):
Two days later, yep, okay. A young guy came in
and put new waters on the tip for me and
on the tub and he said, oh, well that looked
all right, but he renewed them anyway. So the machine
washing machine people came back. They have put new solenoids
in the washing machine.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
No no fixing, no fixing.

Speaker 13 (33:46):
Ill do I call the plump I've spoken to the
plumber and he said it would have nothing to do
with the the new shower and the new toilet that
went in, because water runs can't run uphill, and so therefore,
if there had been something to do with the shower,
the water would be coming back up through the shower.

Speaker 15 (34:10):
It must be the washing machine.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
Yeah, I mean it's I'm just trying to think, is
it possible for the water to track from the shower
into the washing machine? Though, I mean the only way
the water Let's assume that the only way the water
can get into the washing machine is through the hose
pipe that connects it to the mains right to the supply,
because otherwise you would see a pathway. And it's He's

(34:37):
right in the sense that it's it's if there was
a problem in the shower, it's not going to suddenly
appear in the washing machine. So has anyone actually disconnected
the hose from the fitting in the laundry and see
whether any water drips out of the hose tap because
it might just be possible that there's some grit or

(34:59):
something like that in the fitting in the actual little
tap part. That means that it won't turn off completely,
So that would be the well. I mean, i'd like
to think that almost. I mean, if you've got you
could do it, or a rouser or a friend or
a neighbor just come in turn the tap off, right,

(35:20):
because there's is it just cold water supply for this
washing machine or is it cold and hot?

Speaker 13 (35:25):
Cold and hot cold and hot.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
Okay, So underneath the laundry cabinet next to it, you'll
have the two pipes going in there. There'll be a
little fitting underneath you sink, probably with two connections. Turn
those off, disconnect the hose, have a bucket there because
a bit of water will flow out, and then turn
the taps off and just watch them and go Well,
if no water comes out, then at least you know

(35:49):
it's not that right. But you might find that when
you turn the tap off, you disconnect the hose and
you look at the fitting and it's still dribbling a
little bit of water because the seal's not working properly.
Then that's where that water might be coming from. That
would be where I would start anyway.

Speaker 13 (36:06):
Right, Yeah, And then if there is water, is it
a plumber.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
Yes, it is a plumber, because they might be able
to clean it, or maybe they're just it's a faulty
fitting or there's some grit in it that stops its
ceiling completely. They're often like a little ball valve, so
they're not hard to replace. You may just need to
replace those. But that's where I would start anyway.

Speaker 13 (36:29):
So it would have nothing to do with the news
pushings that I've had put.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
In hard to imagine how it could relate to it
because they are separate.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, okay, thank you very much for it.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
I'm happy to take suggestions if someone else has had
the similar problem, but that's where I would start anyway. Okay,
all the best. Take care Sometimes with solving these sorts
of problems, it's it's a process of elimination, right, So
what are my possible sources and then I'll work on
that one first and no a's working, right, B problem, Well,

(37:04):
B might be an issue. Let's have a look at that,
work your way through it. So hopefully there's a resolution. Right,
we need to take a break. It is six forty
nine at newstook s'b Probably time for one more call
before the news. So if you've got a question, call
us now, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Helping you finish that five and it fixed.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
You started the resident builder with Beater Wolfcamp and Independent
Building Supplies the future of Kiwi building today call oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talks.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
There'd be now some fantastic texts, including Happy Easter. Thank
you very much, Jared, I really appreciate that can you
renew my sleepout? I'm not sure what that really means
to be fair. If this is around the granny flat legislation,
with the thought that maybe there's an existing sleepout that
doesn't have a consent, could it now be formalized? With

(37:53):
the new process, which is simple, standalone dwellings up to
seventy square meters may be able to be built without
necessarily requiring a building consent. No is the short answer
to that. It's only four you build. So if you've
got something on your property already and you're thinking, oh goodie,
I can get that formalized, my understanding is no, you can't.

(38:15):
Now this is genius. Thank you to this text who
didn't leave their name. Hey Pete, maybe it's water siphoning
back from the waste pipe. This is to address Pam's
concern around water being seen or inside her washing machine.
After it's a relatively new washing machine, it's just been installed.
It happened to have been installed around the same time

(38:38):
as she had work done on an adjacent shower, So
thank you for that. And I hadn't thought of that,
or I hadn't thought of it yet. So when you
install a washing machine, it's really important that the siphon
hose goes up to a certain height to where it
connects to the waste, and that if it's done too low,

(39:01):
water will siphon back inside or potentially siphon back inside
the washing machine. And I know this because I had
to read the instructions the other day when the washing
machine that we had broke down uneconomic to repair. So
after returning from travels ordered washing machine, had it delivered
on the day we returned home, ripped out the old one,

(39:24):
lifted out the old one, disconnected everything, put the new
one in, because what happens when you come home from traveling.
You've got a lot of washing to do anyway, And
on the instruction was very clear it needed to be
a minimum height. To be absolutely honest with you, I
think I'm slightly below that, but I figure that it's
high enough that I won't get that siphoned. So yeah,
if your outlet pipe, your waist pipe out of the

(39:46):
back of the washing machine goes into your connection and
it's too low, water will potentially siphon back. So hopefully, Pam,
you're still listening, and that could be something to look at,
and that would be something though that if you had
the washing machine installed by someone who offered that service, right,
who's doing it for money? Basically know that because it's

(40:07):
pretty clear. Actually I was super impressed and we ended
up buying a Fisher and pikel washing machine again, and
on the lid was the clear simple this is what
you have to do to install the washing machine. This
there's the big manual with lots and lots of pages
that no one ever really honestly reads, but just a
simple one pager stuck down to the lid of the

(40:31):
washing machine. This is what you have to do, including
the details on the siphon and the wast pipe. So
I think that might be it peak that washing machine
problem is the machine either hot or cold valves are faulty.
That's what I was thinking to Pat, But it could
also be the siphon, which is interesting. Radio. We are
back with more of your calls and conversation in the

(40:54):
next hour of the show. Also Rude will join us,
but only at about eight forty five. So it's a
little bit of an editorial from ridd this morning, as
opposed to the general sort of Q and A an
answer session that we normally do. So we'll continue to
do building through to all about eight forty five and
then we'll talk to just before the news at nine o'clock.

(41:15):
It is almost seven o'clock News, Sport and Weather. We'll
be back straight after that course now oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
So where DIY gets unstuck call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty the Resident Builder with Peter Wilfscam and Independent
Building Supplies the future of Kiwi Building Today News Talks B.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
Well, welcome back to the show. My name's Pete wolf Camp,
resident builder, and this is the Resident Builder on Sunday.
So here at News Talks B every Sunday morning we
have an opportunity to talk about building, construction rules, regulations, materials, installation,
dealing with contractors, I guess, dealing with disputes from time
to time, because it'd be interesting actually to go and

(42:06):
do like a survey of the types of cases held
by the Disputes Tribunal which is the new name not
so new now for what used to be called the
Small Claims Court, And I would guess would it be
half of all of the claims would probably be related

(42:29):
to building and construction in some ways. We did an
interview with the chief referee one time, it'd be time
to revisit that. And yes, I know I've talked a
bit about getting different people to come in for interviews,
and I'm just lining up one. We had a discussion
last week around a caller who suggested that what they
did was because they didn't want to be using electricity

(42:52):
to heat their hot water while they weren't using the
hot water used to or does turn off the electricity
to switch off the hot water cylinder and switch it
back on again later on, and they felt that they
were doing that ordered to save money. There's a couple
of health issues there around Legenaire's disease or Legionella rather,
But also is that actually efficient in terms of how

(43:16):
much energy you then require to raise the temperature back
up to sixty degrees or sixty five degrees in the cylinder,
and whether or not it's a sort of false economy.
So I am going to be talking with someone probably
from ECA around that and next week on the show.
Actually Ralph joined us earlier this year, late last year.

(43:36):
Ralph from Concrete and Z a fantastic knowledge and passion
for concrete and so anyway, I've got Ralph coming back
on the show next week and we might be able
to do a couple of questions text questions as well.
But what we do want to talk about specifically is
the way in which the way that concrete is manufactured

(43:57):
is less carbon intensive today than it was before and
why that is. So we'll be talking with Ralph Cassel
from Concrete and Z on the show next week as well.
Had some very good and useful texts, Thank you very
much to those of texts through with regard to the
washing machine, and we might be talking about that in
a minute. Hey, this text to Bentley Plumber. I think Bentley,

(44:20):
I recall if the washing machine is a front loader,
the waste outlet hose does have an anti siphon loop
e E. The hose goes up and over before it
goes down into the waste pipe. In certain conditions, it's
sucking water up. So is that a case because the
outlet for both a front loader and a conventional top

(44:40):
loader will be at the bottom of the machine because
that's where the water is, and then the water gets
pumped out of there, up the hose and into the outlet,
which is typically like a little elbow. So that comes
off your waist underneath the adjacent fitting. So often in
a laundry you've obviously got the laundry tub basin, and

(45:04):
then next to it is the machine. And that pipe
that comes out of the bottom of the washing machine
has to go up I think it's a minimum of
about eight hundred millimeters before going in and dropping down
into your would be forty mili pipe or so that's
connected to your wastewater system. But I'm just looking at

(45:27):
Bentley's text going it's an anti siphon loop. Yes, but
that's that loop is created by the person that does
the install because for it, for whatever reason, if the
connection to the waste water was low, that they hadn't
set it up properly, and you just plug it into there,
you won't create the anti siphon loop because you haven't

(45:47):
gone up high enough in order for it to drop
down and not be siphoning water back. Anyway, there you go.
That's something you might have learned today about washing machines.
Allan good morning to you, good morning, and to you too,
this mysterious ever still in washing machine.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Yes, has the washing machine got an economy setting a
reservoir built in where it can store water for future use.
The reason I'm asking this is that when she went
away for three.

Speaker 7 (46:18):
Days, right the water, the water only came up to
the rim.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Which suggested to me there was not an endless supply
of water, else she would have come home and put
a gun bo it's on.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
Or because you have to take a detective like approach
to this, isn't it you go? Or it might be
that if she had come home four days after leaving
the house, there would have been water on the floor,
but by coming home on the third day, it's kind
of biblical the water sitting threshold.

Speaker 13 (46:48):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
For your detective story. You have to be appraised of
all the facts, the fact size she went away for
three days, Yes, and when she came back the water
was up to the room.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Okay, So we can't can't We can't postulate that there
might have been a fourth day. There wasn't a fourth day,
but there was a limited supply of water. Yes, it
wasn't endless flowing, it wasn't continually dripping. It had used
up all the water that had available and stopped at
the room.

Speaker 5 (47:14):
Well, that's an assumption. Because you're we're focusing on the
third day if it is quite possible. Yeah, I knew
what you're saying. I'm just enjoying the semantics of this.
But okay, I'm not sure that washing machines do hold
a reservoir. I think even on an eco setting, the

(47:34):
ECO setting, I did the washing the other day, you know,
and to be fair, it was my sweaty, dirty clothes,
and so once I'd finished for the day, I threw
my shorts and a T shirt and some grotty socks
into the washing machine, did a quick wash and set
the wash level at low, because that's all I needed

(47:54):
to do that job. But then it will draw from
the main supply to get a low level, rather than
somehow drawing from inside the appliance itself.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
Setting is a manual setting that the operator truss or stills.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
What happens to that?

Speaker 7 (48:12):
What does that do?

Speaker 3 (48:13):
I mean?

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Does it reserve water or does it lose less water?
Does it use the same water twice? How does that work?

Speaker 7 (48:18):
No?

Speaker 5 (48:18):
It just uses that amount of water, so it just
goes right. I know that the capacity of the bowl
is I don't know what would it be. It would
be sixty or seventy liters, So maybe a low settings.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
You've already chosen the low setting. You've already chosen the
low setting, So you wouldn't choose the economy setting as well,
would you.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
No, that's right, but I don't. I don't know that
I've ever encountered a washing machine that has a tank
in it that reserves water.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
Well, I haven't ei of it that. I'm not very
familiar with the washing machines. It's not my forte.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
I think, on the balance of probabilities, there is no
such thing, in which case what we've got is water
coming into the machine from a source potentially siphoning, because
that that's actually quite that's not uncommon, and I suppose
unless you've been in the habit of siphoning petrol outter

(49:10):
cars as a young fella, people don't always understand how
that works. And so there's a these very strict controls
during a final inspection of bathrooms to ensure that there's
either a backflow prevention device that's fitted to the shower.
So if you've got a shower with an adjustable and
flexible handle, right, so you've got a hose fitting that

(49:33):
goes up to on a rail. They make sure that
either that can't touch the ground when if it happens
to be left at the bottom of the shower tray,
or that it has a backflow prevention device so that
it can't siphon foul water out of a basin and

(49:54):
back into the main supply. But I guess unless you've
actually played around with the idea of siphoning, you might
not understand this.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
If you have your garden hose into a water room,
en turn it off.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
The tax Yes, back to the precisely, yes, precisely that
I have very much enjoyed talking with you, Ellen, Thank
you very much for that eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
If you've got a question, give us a call on
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Sean, there is no storage

(50:27):
outside of the drum of a washing machine. I thought
as much, so thank you very much for that, Shawn.
A couple of other texts that have come in the
lines are free right now, so call eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. In the meantime, Pete, can a fifteen year
old shower that is at the point where some of
that shiny glaze is wearing off the hardy cement boards

(50:49):
on the wall be covered with tiles thanks from Lou.
The issue will be about adhesion, and not necessarily adhesion
of the tile to the fiber cement sheet, but by
adding the weight of the tiles to the fiber cement sheet.
And you're not exact, I actually sure about how the
fiber cement sheet is attached to the substrate. I probably

(51:12):
plaster border, It might be direct fixed to the back.
Then you kind of go, well, okay, so I add
the weight of the tiles, which might be ten to
fifteen kilos per square meter, onto that. What's to stop
the hardies the fiber cement sheet, the hardy glaze from
just peeling off the wall. That would be the issue there.

(51:35):
I suppose what you could do, if you really wanted
to do it, you could find out where the fixings are,
where the studs and knogs are behind the fiber cement sheet,
screw through. I'm almost hesitant to offer up the suggestion
screw straight through, so you know you've got mechanical fixing
from the substraight to the studs behind it, and then

(52:00):
waterproof membrane over that, and then adhere your tiles to
that as long as you took off enough of the
glaze to get the waterproofing membrane to it here because
you don't want to get water through those mechanical fixings.
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. I think if you're didn't do that
much work, you just rip the hardy glaze out and
tile the wall. And an earlier texter it was about

(52:30):
whether or not waterproofing are here we go internal waterproofing
and tiling should be restricted building work, Chris, I wouldn't
disagree with you. I think internal waterproofing it's a gap
in our LBP system at the moment, and I think
it's being addressed. I think that this is coming, which
I think will be a really, really good thing. This

(52:50):
is an interesting one too morning. My nineteenth thirty's house
with a brick foundation weatherboard clad has had a number
of yaka stamps. At first, I was thinking yakers. What
are yakers? But it's not as yockers. Stumps push part
of the brick inwards. I'm removing the stumps. What type
of trades person should I get to fix the brick foundation?

(53:11):
Depending on how extensive the damage is. Part of the
concern is that if it's a nineteen thirty's house. The brick,
the brick ring wall is actually part of your foundations.
So if you're thinking I'm going to knock out some
of those bricks and straighten them up or relay them straight,

(53:33):
then what's holding up your house basically, So you may
need to get an LBP carpenter LBP builder to come
look at it, determine whether or not there needs to
be some propping and shoring of your foundations. Then you
can safely remove the bricks and then you can have
them reinstated. But I certainly wouldn't just Russian and start

(53:56):
pulling the bricks out around that perimeter. A couple more
texts I'll try to get to in just a moment
right now, we'll take a short break and then we'll
be talking with June straight after the BREK.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Measure twice call once on eighty The Resident Builder with
Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies the future of Kiwi
Building Today News Talks there Be.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
Radio. Another solution for the hardy glaze, says Owen, regularly
contributed to the show, is to use vinyl floor covering
onto it. You know what, it's probably quite durable. It's

(54:40):
interesting to see vinyl making a bit of a comeback.
I think they've changed the name. They've made a flash
now mammoleum. But I've seen it in a number of
projects recently, and in the right setting, like most things awesome.
Someone's also asked me if I know any were you
describing it as fake shist, Pete. Have you come across

(55:03):
an inside shist fake wall that looks great and can
be done by d thanks I personally, I haven't.

Speaker 7 (55:11):
I know.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
A couple of years ago we did a project and
had what looked like brick cladding and then was painted
that actually looked really, really good. But in terms of
an artificial I think artificials more a better phrase than
fake artificial. Just I'm not absolutely familiar with that. Can

(55:33):
I drill through my footing for a new water main?
Says the texter. Yes, you probably can, but I would
either drill exactly through the middle or as close to
the middle as possible, or between the Your foundation is
probably supporting some blockwork, so at that junction between the

(55:54):
blockwork and the foundation, you could drill through there or
through the middle seems to be the best advice. Good
luck with that. June A very good morning to you, Oh, sir.

Speaker 11 (56:05):
Thank you.

Speaker 13 (56:06):
I have a problem.

Speaker 16 (56:07):
I've got a broken ankle and I have two steps
to get down to the shower and my wardrobe, I wondered,
and it's not a lot of room.

Speaker 17 (56:19):
I thought if I.

Speaker 16 (56:19):
Had a ramp, it would revolution in my life. At
the moment, I wondered, would you recommend a really good
man who could perhaps come in and look.

Speaker 13 (56:31):
At my problem.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
I'm not sure that I can, because I don't know
where you are, and so on, And there would be
a little bit because again to be fair, I built
a ramp very similar to that for a mate who
also I think, broke his ankle a couple of months ago.
But it was just simply to help with a transition
from the pathway to the veranda to the door threshold.

(56:57):
And each of those rises was probably only about one
hundred and twenty mili. The concern that I would have
is that, while I appreciate you've got two steps now,
they're going to be a minimum of about one hundred
and fifty millimeters high each of them, so you're talking
about a three hundred millimeters rise. If you were to
do a ramp that was actually safe, you might find

(57:19):
that the ramp would extend like two two and a
half meters long, because there's like there's a very specific
requirement in the building code around accessibility ramps, right, and
there's a certain pitch that they have to be at,
and the reason being that if they're steeper than that,
then they're actually more hazardous than a step. Right. So yeah,

(57:39):
then that's what I would be considered.

Speaker 16 (57:43):
Yeah, yeah, my husband's afraid of that too. My son
spoke about going to somewhere like Bummings and already made.

Speaker 17 (57:50):
But that doesn't sound tis, No, I don't.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
I don't think so. I mean, look if because it
will obviously just be temporary, won't it. Once your ankle
is healed, it'll be much easier for you.

Speaker 16 (58:01):
Yeah, it's been a nightmare. Here's looking after me and
he's ninety three, so this would have been a big help.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
Well, we'll just have to sloggle at Yeah, look, I look,
it might be possible to do, but you'd need to
look at it. You'd need and also you know, I'm
guessing that where those two steps are there's a wall
on either side. But then what happens on the downward
slope of that? How can you do you then end
up creating do you need handrails on both sides? Et cetera,

(58:35):
et cetera. So the other thing is my understanding is
that as part of your rehabilitation, you could go to
ACC and get some advice for that, because obviously you're
in a situation where you need to remain mobile because
your husband can support you to some degree, but not
that so I would actually.

Speaker 16 (58:54):
Suggest they did come a few days ago and they
put a sort of contraption a bath that I have
to eat myself on and cover the leg and flowing over,
and the lady who came to help me, we both
looked at it.

Speaker 18 (59:09):
And said, no, okay, right, look, it's not your problem.

Speaker 5 (59:14):
No, no, no, I would love to help if I could,
but occupational therapist or ACC and maybe they just need
to come back with another solution. But what I hope
is that you have a speedy recovery and that you're
able to deal with the stairs in the future.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Yes, here's the wardrobe.

Speaker 16 (59:30):
Worries me because my husband brings me the.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
Clothes, right, yeah, of course, and then everyone's navigating that.

Speaker 16 (59:37):
Yeah, no, well thank you.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
Yeah, look, I'm sorry I can't be more helpful, but
hopefully there's some ideas there. Nice to chat with you,
take care all the best due and thanks to the
texts that have come through to talk to acc which
I think she's done. Talk to an occupational therapist as well.
This is a quick texture. I'm looking at buying a
two bedroom nineteen eighties brick and tile house with internal guttering.

(01:00:03):
What's the life span of the guttering? Would it be
best to change to external guttering? So I think what
you're describing is not I wouldn't call this internal guttering.
It's concealed spouting because it runs around the perimeter of
the building and what you'll see is a metal facier
and tucktan behind there will be the spouting. I think
if it's nineteen eighties, it's probably at end of life now.

(01:00:26):
These sorts of things have been an issue for probably
twenty years, so not long after they were established really.
And there's a couple of companies. So there's rigs. If
there's Google rigs, that's a system for doing it. Continuous
spouting have one, and custom Flashings and face shit have

(01:00:46):
one as well. So those three companies I'm aware of,
they have systems that will allow you to simply replace
or they'll come and replace it for you. So good
luck with that though, Sean, greetings to you.

Speaker 10 (01:00:59):
Good morning, Pete.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
How were you very well?

Speaker 10 (01:01:02):
Yes, I'm having a crack at doing a bit of rooting,
ye replacing a section on my roof coming down to
a valley and I've deliberately cut all my sheets on
one side of the valley a couple of inches too long,
laid them down, screwed them down. Yep, with a thought

(01:01:23):
of quick ten minutes with my nibbler and a string
line up the valley to cut them straight, and realized
I don't have the clearance underneath between the bottom of
the valley and underneath the turn to get the nibbler
that little stub on the nibbler a yep. Any tips
or tricks to cut that night, or do I just
have to persevere my hand with the handcutters.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
I think if you look at roofers and the tools
that they use, there's actually shears. It's a specific tool
that they use, so roofing shears or metal.

Speaker 10 (01:01:57):
Shears, got a set of those, huge amount of getting
those in there either.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
No the battery ones, so this is powered, isn't hand ones?

Speaker 7 (01:02:09):
You know?

Speaker 10 (01:02:09):
So that's what I mean, I've got and you can't
get in there with those seem to struggle get so far,
and then after sort of on the down, I'm still
still you know, you're probably not even twin more clearance
between the underside of the turn and in the valley.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
Oh, that's interesting because most of the guys that I've seen,
I suppose the other way of doing it is, so
you've you've laid your sheets, you've left them long, You've
chalked a line, so you've got a really nice straight line,
which is so important, especially if it's one of those
valleys that you see when you approach the house, right,

(01:02:50):
because I've seen a couple where it's it's you know,
it's a drunk man staggering, right, it's it's Tiger Woods
doing a sobriety test. And so the other option would be,
because they're all screwed down, right, as you screw them down,
chalk your line and then work away from the top
of the bottom, take the sheet off, cut it because

(01:03:13):
then you can hold it up in the air, cut it,
lay it to one side, cut the next one, and
then just refix the sheets down.

Speaker 10 (01:03:19):
Yeah, I was going down that road think I might
have to unscrew.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
The Yeah, I just wonder whether in the you know how,
sometimes we spend an awful lot of time and energy
thinking of a really clever solution, and then the one
that's not so clever but practical, you just get it done, right.

Speaker 10 (01:03:35):
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I know what to do on the
on the other side of the ven now too.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
I'm kind of intrigued because I, in a rush of
blood to the head the other day at a trade expo,
went and bought myself a set of those roofing shears,
right yeah, And one of the things it's an ag one,
And one of the things I noticed is that the
head is articulating. You can move it. So in this instance,

(01:04:01):
I'm wondering whether when I come to do the valley,
I might be able to sort of rote the tool
in such a way that the handle and the battery
doesn't hit the sheet, meaning that I can't get through
those undulations by turning the head to one side and
then it's it's up and out of the way. So
it depends on the sheer that you've got.

Speaker 10 (01:04:23):
Yeah, this is a pretty basic set. Right the neighbor
as you walked past the other day when I'm starting.

Speaker 5 (01:04:28):
Yeah, awesome, Hey, look it could also be could be
the problem. Other solution is just buy more tools, right,
and there's never a downside to that.

Speaker 10 (01:04:40):
I already did the early morning drive to Bunnings. Yes,
get the nibblert talk.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
The other thing is if you are going to use
and the other thing is what you might find going
back to using the nibbler, because you've obviously bought one
and they are phenomenal little tools, right, is just back
off the last couple of rows of screws, slider, piece
of timber under a bit of duneage. Get it up
because you might only need like five or ten mil. Right,
Just allow the sheet flex up a little bit, leave

(01:05:07):
it in place predominantly, and just cut the end of
the sheet. The other thing that I can't emphasize this
enough is collect up all of the swarf, all of
those little half moons that come out of the nibbler,
because they will rust. They will show rust within weeks
on your roof. So sweep them up, vacuum them up,
blow the roof down, get rid of it. Otherwise you'll

(01:05:29):
see the rust.

Speaker 9 (01:05:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:05:30):
I've been very annoyed about that. Yeah, blowing down probably
four times a day. Yeah, every time I put some
screws and blowing them all away.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
You kind of the only thing with that is you
do wonder whether you know, Okay, so I've blown it down,
then where's it gone? You know what I mean?

Speaker 10 (01:05:48):
Well, it's all making its way down to my old gutter.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
That'll be the next job to replace.

Speaker 10 (01:05:54):
That's next, that's next time job.

Speaker 5 (01:05:57):
Take care up there and be safe. Yeah, as awesome,
Well done. You take care and don't be like me
because in a rush, I don't know, last year year before,
I didn't have the right year, right, I didn't have
the tool that I bought the other day at the expo,
and so I hacked away a bit of roofing with

(01:06:18):
an angle grinder, which you're not supposed to do, right,
because it heats up the edge of the sheet and
it causes rust. And it just in this instance, it
didn't matter, except what I didn't think about and I
should have is what happens to all of that hot grinding, right,
And so when about three weeks later, rust started to

(01:06:38):
appear on the timber work adjacent to it, I'm like, well,
that's what happened to all of the cuttings it landed
on there at rust, so I had to scrape all
that back and repaint that as well. So don't do that.
Don't be like me in that instance. Used the right
tool and getting rid of that swarf is really really important. Anyway,

(01:06:58):
I fixed it. It's okay now seven thirty five. Will
actually would do a quick call from Marty and we'll
take the break. Marty solution for the steps.

Speaker 11 (01:07:08):
Mate, Demi Easter. I've got a wee idea of that
young lady having access to the share. A bit tricky
at the moment. Sure acc Or wins, but definitely acc
My experience as that it's not ideal that they can
provide transport in any cost to maybe go to a

(01:07:30):
local area where you could have a shower, for example
a swimming poor complex where they'll just close off that
we share so you could have the privacy and come home.
It's not the same at the home. But if it's
everything was to leave, which might be over four or
five weeks or two months or whatever, it could be
an interim solution.

Speaker 5 (01:07:51):
And look, I appreciate the thought, and I guess it
is one I suppose with these sorts of things, you
start with what is the most effective, least disruptive solution.
So doing something at home, you do wonder whether the
solution is actually going to be a care that comes
and helps with showering for a period of time. I

(01:08:11):
suppose it's the bathroom's down there. That's a little bit trickier, but.

Speaker 11 (01:08:16):
Yeah, you're right. I mean it's one of the most
private things. Yeah, lives' sothing to go to public pool,
but I have none, you know, they capable well, But
the ideal thing would be a come.

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
There will be someone who will come and help out
with that, for sure. Marty, thanks very much and happy
Easter to you too. It is seven thirty six.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Will be back after the break begging what they forgot
to mention on that YouTube video the resident builder with
Peter Wilfcamp and Independent Building Supplies the future of Kiwi
Building Today call eight.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
News Talks there'd be.

Speaker 5 (01:08:53):
And she talking about YouTube videos as it happens. I've
we've been working with Metro Glass, who do the retro
fit double glazing, on a series of videos explaining how
double glazing works and a whole bunch of other topics
associated with that. So the way in which you orientate

(01:09:13):
the low e glass or the soul again and so on.
So if you do want to watch some YouTube videos
that actually have some decent information, either go to my
Facebook page you'll find some links there, or to my YouTube.
So if you just search Peter wolf Camp on YouTube,
it should pop up. So it's a little series about
smarter glass, better living, that's what it's called. Have a

(01:09:36):
search for that and you'll find that too. Talking about
the old YouTube, so you can find that there. The
website also is just resident builder dot co dot MZID
Radio Judy, good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 17 (01:09:51):
I've got two showers and they've got an extractor thing
going through the ceiling, and I've noticed that my ceilings
had started getting moldy. Now, I had an HRV chet
during some service and you got up in the ceiling.

Speaker 7 (01:10:06):
Ea.

Speaker 17 (01:10:07):
You know those extract defenses. They're not connected up there. Yeah.
And now I've got a new roof put on about
seven years ago, and I was just wondering if it
should have been vented through the roofs when I came
and got up there and he said, no, that's not

(01:10:27):
my job.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
Was there event through the roof prior to the new
roof being installed.

Speaker 17 (01:10:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:10:36):
No, okay, I mean this is the classic example of
you know, where how do I I'm trying to be kind, right,
I'm trying to be not terribly dismissive of whoever installed
the vents, But this is the sort of shenanigans that

(01:10:58):
goes on, right, And so people will, you know, seemingly,
as a token gesture, go oh, look, I've installed an
extractor in the bathroom. And then I've done it and
other people do it. You climb up into the roof
and you find exactly what we see at your place,
which is sure, there's an extractor in the ceiling and
there's a fan there, but all it's doing is sucking

(01:11:19):
all of that warm moist air moisture laid in air
and pumping it straight into the roof space, which is terrible, right,
and so that's going to saturate your insulation. And arguably
the fact that you've had a new roof install is
possibly making the problem worse because where it was an
old roof and maybe it didn't have an underlan and

(01:11:41):
there was more gaps and cracks, you would have more
ventilation in that roof space. So thankfully the solution's quite straightforward.
What you need to do is maybe you're electrician or
maybe a specialist who does extraction to come in and
add ducting that will either if it's possible, and in
most cases the bathroom's located close to the outside wall.

(01:12:04):
You might have a saft around the outside of your house,
in which cases you do have a safit.

Speaker 9 (01:12:12):
Ye are large safita?

Speaker 5 (01:12:13):
Okay, all right, So as long as there's a decent
gap over the top of the top plate where you
can get deducting through without crushing it down. And this
is a common problem as well. So ideally you want
some one hundred and fifty milimeters ducting and you want
that to run to the outside and out through the
safit so that it can vent to the exterior. Now,

(01:12:33):
in the event that you don't have sufficient space over
the top plate, then the person who does the work
needs to think about how they're going to solve that problem.
I had to do it recently, so I transferred from
one hundred and fifty milimeters rounducting to a piece of
rectangular ducting that was about two hundred and twenty by
sixty milimeters, so it has the same volume of air

(01:12:56):
going through and then into the safit. It makes it
a slightly more complicated job and there's a bit more
time and a bit more cost involved. But the whole
thing with if we're going to have extraction, we've got
to make sure it works properly, so the right size
volume to the outside, so that that would go some
way to solving it. The other thing is, if you're

(01:13:18):
going to spend some time and money on this, consider
the possibility of introducing a constant flow fan, so actually
replacing the one that you've got with one that has
a humidity sensor attached to them. So simics SIMX have
a range of these fans, and what it does is

(01:13:41):
that when there's a lot of moisture in the air,
the humidity increases, the fan ramps up its extraction right.
It sort of speeds up and draws that air out,
and it will only go down to a very low
rate once it recognizes that the humidity in the room
is below whatever you've set it at. So let's say

(01:14:02):
you choose seventy percent, and even at that time, though
it continues to just constantly extract air out of the bathroom,
you hardly hear it. It'll just run at a very
low rate. But what that does in a space where
there's a lot of damp, heavy air is if it's
constantly being extracted out. So you can leave the bathroom

(01:14:24):
window closed as long as there's a gap unerneath the door,
it will draw air from the rest of the house
and it will extract it out through there, and that's
going to help. So then we've got the issue of
the moldy ceiling. You need to use a really good
proprietary anti mold treatment. So I use some stuff that
I buy at the Razine Color Shop, which is a

(01:14:46):
moss and mold control or mold control. Get that onto
the ceiling, thoroughly wipe it down with this material, or
you can actually treat it and wipe it down and
then leave it for twenty four hours and then rinse
it down again. I think, and then you go over
and repaint the ceiling. And I think if you've dealt

(01:15:06):
with the extraction, you've got less chance of having mold
on the ceiling. The other thing is that having some
form of heating that keeps sort of the ambient temperature
in that room a little bit higher will help as well.
Whether that's a towel rail, a heaated towel rail or

(01:15:27):
undertall Heating's a little bit hard to do now because
you've probably already got floor finishings. But I think having
a heatd towel rail just to keep the temperature up
a little bit will help in that room as well well.

Speaker 17 (01:15:38):
This cynics it will still go into the ceiling though.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
It'll still go into the ceiling, yes, the ceiling and walls,
and so you can use the existing opening. Right, you've
already got a hole in the ceiling. It can go
into the air. You wired it in. Ideally you wire
it in so that people don't turn it off. If
it's yours, it's probably less of an option, less of
an issue. But if you had, for example, tenants or

(01:16:03):
other people staying, you just go leave it. Now a
plumber has come through and said, hey, look, it's plumber
cane here telling to get the plumber to flash it
through the roof. It's easy. So if it's impractical to
get to the safite right because it's too far away
or you can't get access to it, then venting through

(01:16:24):
the roof is an option. But you know that that
might be the plumber and the electrician working together. Apparently
such things happen, and it's his job. The plumber said,
is not his job. Okay, well, technically it's not his
job because plumbing doesn't involve extraction. But if the person

(01:16:47):
who did the roof, if you said to them, I
want to vent through the roof, then it becomes his job,
right right, you know? Yeah, but I think you know,
if the house is like most houses that I'm aware of,
you'll be able to get in to the into the
ceiling attached some ducting duct it out to the outside

(01:17:10):
with all of those provisos, and I would would highly
recommend I installed one of these constant flow fans a
little while ago, and it's made a huge difference to
the feeling inside there. Right, all right, okay, lovely to
chat with you take care of all of this duty.
Apparently there are ramps available that are kind of temporary,

(01:17:33):
so ramp works. I don't know them, but it looks
like a good solution. So ramp works works of course
with an x SO ramp r A mp w r
X dot CO dot n Z. If that works, then
that's fantastic. A couple of other texts to come through
as well. What about getting some motorcycle ramps from old

(01:17:54):
super cheap auto as its temporary measure. I like the creativity,
I have to say, and the ramps must be better
than a bit of old scaffole plank that we used
to try and run the bikes up. It is seven
forty nine. I'll take a break, then we'll chat with
Murray after.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
The break, turning ohs into She'll be right the resident
builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies the future
of Kiwi Building Today.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
Call eight hundred eighty news Talks.

Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
Be you a news Talks. He'd be seven fifty two
and a very very good morning to you. Murray.

Speaker 15 (01:18:29):
Yeah, Hi, you paid great time. About two or three
weeks ago, you had a woman rang up with a
world cast standard through her yes, and a guy rang
up and he had a machine that would fix the
whole lot. Who what was the name of that firm?

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
I think I had a tidy up and took my
notes and filed them so off the top of my head,
my apologies, I just can't recall. Someone will take through,
I'm sure in the next half hour or so and
let me know. But what they're able to do is

(01:19:10):
and I saw a similar crowd operating near me, So
they use CCTV and a little vehicle that's able to
travel along. And then what he was describing is that
they could actually cut and remove that warrator and then
you know, use the same vehicle to deliver a patch
into there as well. If they'd like to ring or text,

(01:19:34):
then that would be awesome, But I at this stage
I didn't, Yeah, like I say, so what happens just
by the way. I So when I come into the
studio every Sunday, I've got my notepad and I write
down the names of all of you find people that
phone through and what you talk about, and I make
a few other notes and bits and pieces, and then
I after a couple of weeks, I file all of

(01:19:56):
those at home. So at home, I've got a ring
binder which has literally every single show I've ever done
in almost fourteen years of doing this program in a
ring binder with all of your names and everything that
you've talked about that I keep, and so it's it's
kind of a reference thing for me. And somewhere in
there I probably have those details. So if no one rings,

(01:20:18):
I will find out this week and make sure that
I mention it next week on the program. Awesome, All right,
take care about all of this. Maybe I need to
establish my own database. Probably not a bad idea. Note
to self. Things to do, maybe not this week, but
things to do, right Jane, quickly from you, Good morning.

Speaker 17 (01:20:41):
You Phi Pete, how are you good?

Speaker 5 (01:20:43):
Thank you?

Speaker 17 (01:20:44):
Go for it, and I've just got to question, just
wondering about where to go next. About ten or eleven
years ago, I had some electrical workdowne on my kitchen
and bathroom, primarily kitchen lights and installing you know, wiring
up range hood and that sort of thing, and in
the bathroom like hater in the bath during them, you know,

(01:21:08):
lights over the mirror of that sort of thing. Yeah,
quite a bit of work. Never, the sparky that did
it was godd and I do only have be any
complaints about his work, but I never received the COOC
and so I did sort of mention it a couple
of years later when I was ringing him about some

(01:21:28):
of the lights had failed with a fixed up, but anyhow,
it sort of didn't seem is seeing really reluctant to
get back to me, and I found him a bit
difficult to deal with, so I just sort of let
it slide, and of course I'm trying to get everything,
you know, sorted and everything properly done now, so certification
blah blah blah, and so I recently I found him

(01:21:51):
last week and I asked him if he could check
his records, you know, blah blah blah. And he did
and he text me back and he said, oh no,
he hasn't done any records. He said, we're only required
to keep them for seven years. And I said, oh, well,
I said okay, but I said I never received them
in the begin in the beginning. And I said, never

(01:22:11):
received it in the beginning. I said, I've got all
your invoices for all your work, yes, which I can
forward to you so you can see the work you've done.

Speaker 6 (01:22:19):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 17 (01:22:20):
And he came back and said, I can't remember what
he said now or something, but in other words, idea, yeah,
I'm not.

Speaker 5 (01:22:27):
Going to I'm not going to help out now. We're
going to run into the news. So can I just
get you to hold I think there is a solution
and we'll we'll talk about that after News, Sport and Weather,
Top of the hour at eight o'clock. If you'd like
to call now, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We'll
come to you straight after news, sport and.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
Weather, helping you finish that fibe. But it fixed.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
You started the resident building with Peter wilf Camp and
Independent Building Supplies. The future of Kiwi building today call
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talks.

Speaker 5 (01:22:56):
There'd be I have to say the little promos because
I don't write them and I don't get to hear
them until the broadcast like they were, but they are.
They show a remarkable, I'm not being patronizing, tremendous level
of insight. So working on that five minute fact, I'm sure.
I'm absolutely convinced that one of the greatest causes of

(01:23:17):
frustration is that we underestimate the time that we need
to do a good job right, so and we kind
of try and I do it. You trip ourselves up
by going, look, I think it's going to take an hour.
You know in your heart that's going to be two
or three hours, and you think I'm going to do
it in an hour, and then when the hour's up,
you get frustrated because you haven't finished or you haven't
been able to do it as well as you would

(01:23:39):
expect to be able to do it, or you should
do it more importantly, and then you get frustrated. So
be realistic about the time things take, and then you'll
be a lot less frustrated, I think. Anyway, So they're awesome, right,
let's go back to Jane. I've got a couple of
other little notices for you as well, Jane, with regard
to the electrician that did the work some time ago,

(01:24:02):
and when he says he's required to keep records for
seven years, I think what he's doing is he's mixing up,
either deliberately or inadvertently, a requirement for businesses to keep
income tax records for seven years. I don't know what
the regulations are for electricians, so I think that that's

(01:24:23):
a convenient excuse.

Speaker 17 (01:24:24):
Right, Yeah, I just think a quick block in the
break at the text. And I've said to him, I'll
ford you copies of the invoices and then maybe you
can provide me with the COOC And he said, unfortunately,
not as the test result and everything. Well, I don't
know what that means. We're on the original if filled

(01:24:45):
out on site, there might be a copy in the switchboard,
which I had a look in me wasn't I Well,
you never actually provided me with a COOC. Where do
we go from here? And I've had silence and that right,
So I.

Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
Mean, if you wanted to push it, you could kind
of go to the electric registration board because it is
a re requirement for all electricians to issue a CoA
certificate of acceptance or certificate of compliance. Do they do
no COCs at the end of the job, right, So
even if it's relatively small work. So I've got an

(01:25:21):
electrician coming to a project to replace a hob right now,
it's a relatively small job. It's like for like, but
I would imagine that at the end of it, because
they're good electricians, they'll send me either electronically or in
a paper copy, a copy of that. So let's put
that aside. Let's go Okay, So the issue is that

(01:25:42):
you actually are preparing the house for sale. You want
to get some paperwork in order for that. Why not
either get that electrician or another electrician to come along
conduct an electrical safety survey through the house and issue
you with an electrical safety certificate, which is quite commonplace
these days. And I actually think just as a by

(01:26:02):
the bye, you know, like if you've moved into a
if you've changed how you've moved into a new house,
maybe someone has done it, but if they haven't done it,
I actually think it's money well spent, right, And essentially
what it is is the electrician coming and testing all
of the circuits on the house looking for potential faults,

(01:26:24):
and they may well identify a fault before it becomes
something that's hazardous. So I think these are really really
worthwhile doing, and I know on a couple of occasions
I've either had them done for myself or commissioned them
on behalf of clients to go. You know what, we
don't actually know what we're dealing with. Over time, all

(01:26:46):
sorts of electrical work happens. Some of it perhaps has
done correctly, some of it might not. Be let's just
go and test it so you know, you can continue
to engage with the existing contractor, but if you just
find it's too hard, then I would just go to
another contractor.

Speaker 17 (01:27:04):
My gut feeling is never provided it, because I mean
I'm meticulous in keeping paperwork, those invoices, so I definitely
would have kept the certificate. But he never provided it,
and he should have, and you know, he's just been
quite dismissive, and I just wondered if it's going to
be I mean, obviously I doubt whether he's going to

(01:27:26):
want to come and do it. So I just wonder
will other spar keys be happy to come and test
someone else else?

Speaker 5 (01:27:35):
They will, I can't see why they wouldn't. It's not
like you're asking them to take over and be responsible
for that person's work. And this is that that uncomfortableness,
Like if yeah, and I talked with my mates who
a builders and that's the thing, and you know, you
get a client that rings up and goes, look, I've
just fired the builder, and I'd like you to come
and finish the job, right, Yeah, Nobody really wants to

(01:27:58):
do that sort of work because either you don't know
whether you're going to pick up on a whole lot
of problems, or in fact, you're going to pick up
on a client who's just you know, difficult to deal with.
So in this instance, what you're saying is I never
got a CoA at the time, So see, rather for
the work, I'd like to have it tested so that
I can provide some information to a prospective purchaser to

(01:28:21):
say that I've had that work done. They maintain their
own standards, right. If they find a fault, they will
tell you, and they will probably tell you you need
to get it repaired.

Speaker 17 (01:28:32):
So they they don't have to like rip out, we'll
not make hold and things to test, so to do
it external from the wiring and all that.

Speaker 5 (01:28:41):
Yeah, and look, I recognize the fact that I'm a
carpenter not an electrician, right, But when I've had it done,
there's a little device that they call MEG, a megging machine, right,
So they'll test each individual circuit looking for fluctuations that
would indicate a fault. They'll go through and do a
survey of the board. They'll go and find the earth

(01:29:01):
peg and make sure that the connection is there. One
do you have one?

Speaker 7 (01:29:06):
Two?

Speaker 5 (01:29:06):
Is it connected? Three? Is the connection you know, hasn't
been ripped apart by the weed eater that sort of thing,
All of these sorts of things. So it's a head
to toe survey of the electrical system, check the board,
meg all of the outlets, and then give you a
certificate at the end of it.

Speaker 11 (01:29:23):
Good.

Speaker 17 (01:29:24):
Yeah, I think it is. We're going to put my
mind at ease. No, that's really good. If I say
I didn't have an issue with his work if it's fine,
never had a problem with it, just never received the
coca which is best.

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
I understand it is a requirement for electricians registered electricians
to issue after every single job.

Speaker 9 (01:29:45):
Yeah, which he didn't.

Speaker 17 (01:29:47):
Yeah, okay, thank you very much.

Speaker 15 (01:29:50):
Take care all this.

Speaker 5 (01:29:51):
With that, I'm happy to take a text from an
electrician if I'm wrong, I don't think i am. I'm
pretty sure that after every single electrical job, so you
ask for an extra PowerPoint to be installed, for example,
certificate should be produced to you, the homeowner at the
end of that job, righty oh uh?

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
Who are you?

Speaker 5 (01:30:08):
Good morning to you?

Speaker 13 (01:30:10):
Good morning?

Speaker 5 (01:30:10):
How are you morning? Very well?

Speaker 18 (01:30:13):
How can I have a little and a US that
is six months old and there is a down pipe
from the spouting outside my bedroom which drips?

Speaker 5 (01:30:26):
Ah? Yes, sorry oceould.

Speaker 18 (01:30:28):
Last, how can you stop the dripping noise?

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
What what you're hearing is water dripping from the top
of the downpipe, falling down the downpipe and then hitting
a bend at the bottom, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (01:30:48):
I presume starts into a decking and it looks like
it's into a drain.

Speaker 5 (01:30:51):
Yes, hang on hand, where does the down is the
downpipe connected to the storm water.

Speaker 18 (01:30:58):
I'm presuming it is.

Speaker 5 (01:30:59):
Yes, So when if you are outside looking at the downpipe,
the downpipe goes down and then the downpipe will probably
be eighty millimeters and it goes into a fitting that's
about one hundred milimeters for example. Yes, okay, well that's.

Speaker 18 (01:31:19):
Somebody said to me, put a tennis ball in it,
and I thought.

Speaker 5 (01:31:21):
No, I'm not sure that blocking the down pipe while
it's effective and stopping the drips, yeah, I'm not sure
that that's the best idea. Sometimes, like putting in an
elbow halfway down just stops because it's the velocity of

(01:31:44):
the drip right as it comes down. It is slightly
unusual because if you look at how water runs down
a down pipe, it actually when it's flowing, it actually
runs around the outside of the pipe. It kind of
has surface tension. It runs around the outside. And I
know this in part because I was installing a little

(01:32:07):
six hundred liter Bailey water tank. And when you buy them,
you get a fitting kit, which is a very it
kind of looks like a mouthguard, So you drill a
hole inside the downpipe poke this little mouthguard type looking
device into it and it captures the water and directs
it into the Bailey water tank, which is super smart.

(01:32:28):
And the reason it works is that it collects the
water that runs around the outside of the pipe. So
a drip that happens to fall all the way down
with bullet like precision down the downpipe and then hit
the elbow at the bottom. It's kind of unusual.

Speaker 18 (01:32:46):
Yeah, it's just that we're some really heavy Jews in
christ Church night and it starts normally at about three o'clock.

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
In the morning.

Speaker 18 (01:32:55):
Oh that's a convenient, yeah, very and it's just, yeah,
very hard to get back to sleep again with the
constant drip.

Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
Yeah, I don't know who.

Speaker 5 (01:33:08):
Definitely from the downpipe. Yes it is, yep, And it's
on the inside of the downpipe. It's not on the outside.
There's not a little leak somewhere, you know, like a
flashing that hasn't been sealed properly and is dripping down. No, No,

(01:33:28):
it's inside the downpipe. Given that at six months old,
I wonder whether it's worth going back to the main
contractor and asking the downpipe installer or the spouting crew
to come back and just have a look at it.
And make sure that you know, is it possible that
the downpipe slightly on an angle as well that it's

(01:33:49):
it's heading the side as it goes down if it's
not exactly plump, or is it possible to install another
elbow and then stop the velocity of that downpipe? Okay, yeah,
but look, I think given that it's relatively new, I
would be going back to the main contractor.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Okay, thank you for that, all the very best.

Speaker 5 (01:34:12):
Nice to chat with you. Take care who we are.
Just on the electrical safety certificate? Hang on, here we go.
Electrician should certify the work done COC for the whole
job or a whole job electrical safety certificate for the powerpoints. Hey, Pete,
I'm an electrician. We do have to hold a copy

(01:34:33):
of the COC for seven years. Okay, so seven years
is the requirement thereafter, I guess you don't need to
continue to keep that information, which is fair enough and understandable.
M yeah, same electrician again, Homiera. To add to my
last messresses. As well as holding on to a COC

(01:34:55):
for electrical work for seven years, we also have to
supply a COC within twenty days of completing the job.
Can't be withheld for payment either, which is very similar
to licenseed building practitioners with holding a for example, a
record of works or something like that memorandum because they

(01:35:15):
haven't got paid. You can't do that either. Interesting. Thank
you for all the texts on that. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to core. Just
on the downpipe. Think a small chain inside the downpipe, well,
mean that the water tracks along the chain. You can't
see it from the outside, but that'll stop the drip

(01:35:36):
as well. Because you see that overseas. Australia seems to
be very popular. In the bush. Instead of having a downpipe,
they've just got a chain hanging at the outlet and
the water just follows there and hits the ground. I
think I've tried that once. I'm not sure if it
was terribly successful. I quite like the idea, but I'm
not sure if it's terribly successful. Plus I want to
capture all of that water into my water tanks. It

(01:35:57):
is eight nineteen now. Remember Rude today will be joining
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Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
So no Q and A with Rud to day back
after the break where DIY gets I'm stuck Call eighty
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News Talks AB. Remember we're taking your building question through
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(01:36:43):
which I'm looking forward to. So I'm there basically to
facilitate a series of little workshops where people who are
interested in pool regulations and pools and so on can
find out a bit more information because this is going
to be on at the Pool Spa Life Expo, which
is on next Saturday and Sunday at the Auckland Showground,
So I'll be hanging around there. I'll be facilitating these

(01:37:06):
discs ushans. But also if you're interested in polls and
spars and those sorts of things, come along to the expo.
All of the big supplies will be there. Chance to
check it out and maybe have a catch up with
me as well, So Paul spa Life Expo next Saturday
and Sunday the Auckland Showgrounds. I'm just looking up the
clock saying, oh, that's right, it's daylight saving today. It

(01:37:27):
doesn't quite have the impact, does it. Well, you don't
have to wander around the house changing all the clocks
and be really worried that your alarm won't go off
in time. So for me who gets up at just
after five o'clock on a Sunday morning, it's like, did
I put my clock forward in time for it to
go off? Of course, it's all automatic now and because
we don't have a good old fashioned analog clock in

(01:37:48):
the studio. It was always my job here at Newsts
he'd be on a Sunday of daylight saving at both
ends of the year to get up stand on a
swiveling chair, which is there's got to be some health
and safety regulations about that. Get the clock down, change
the time, put it back up again. But we've gone digital.
It's all flash nowadays. In the studio it is eight

(01:38:08):
twenty four Rod, good morning.

Speaker 7 (01:38:11):
Good morning Peat. Great problem we've got is we've got
a big covered canopy on the house which carries probably
half The roof is like a six meters by eight meters.
It's the main roof going out has three main posts
that hold it. We've been in the house about ten years.
The house is twenty years old. Where these posts meet

(01:38:35):
the ground, I assumed they were well channelized timber. I
was earth and digging and I found that they sit
on a concrete pad with a galvanized plate sticking out
of the pad with I assume one or two bolts
through r the posters slotted onto them. Yep, bottoms of
the posts are rotten. And I'm looking on the plans.

(01:38:56):
Original plans are only three point two so they are
not ground retention but the ground. They are probably six
inches below ground level. Oh my, yeah, they're carrying a
big part of the roof of the house. W Replace
the post is going to be a memos job. Is

(01:39:20):
there a way of cutting in or scarfing in a
higher A post is going to survive in the ground
further up?

Speaker 5 (01:39:34):
So just just confirm this for me. The picture I
have is obviously it's a like effectively a cantilever a roof.
The roof extends out and then the roof structure is
a is supported on these posts. These posts go through
the deck and then below the deck there is a

(01:39:56):
concrete base of some description, and on top of that
concrete base is a bracket, probably a Bomac bracket of
some description, and the post locks into that and is
bolted through.

Speaker 7 (01:40:08):
So it's just a flat plate coming out of the
concrete base.

Speaker 5 (01:40:10):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (01:40:11):
And there's a slot in the bottom of the post.
On the other side of the house, we've got a
big canopy, a cardboard canopy, and we can see those
they are above ground.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:40:20):
Sure where that concrete pad is that should be. That
should finish at ground level or above ground level. So
are you saying that somehow the ground level there's soil
or material around the bottom of that post, correct?

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
Ah?

Speaker 7 (01:40:35):
Okay, I can't take the ground level down to exposure
because it will create it will be probably one hundred
and fifty below or two hundred milis below surrounding ground level.
I can't. I can't love Yeah, sure, that's the whole
back garden.

Speaker 5 (01:40:52):
Okay. Not an easy effects, but there is a fact.
So if it was my job, I would probably look
at probably need to get some scaffolding in stall to
support the weight of the roof. Then can you is
it actually practical to work underneath the deck or would
you need to remove some of the decking boards to

(01:41:13):
work in that space?

Speaker 7 (01:41:15):
That the posts are right on the outside, Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:41:18):
All right, so they're accessible, yea, yeah, okay, So I
would then once the in fact, that makes supporting the
deck a little bit the roof a bit easier, so
support the roof. Then I would cut the posts off
above certain height above ground level. I'd remove that existing

(01:41:38):
Bomac bracket. I'd box up around the existing pad and
essentially pour a column on top of it, and then
reinstate that Bomac bracket or a similar one into that space.
But I'd bring that concrete up say one hundred and
fifty mili above ground level, which probably means that you've
cut the rot off the bottom of the post as well.

(01:42:03):
And then once i'd cut the bottom of the post off,
eat that with a timber preservative, make sure that the
concrete column that you've added has got fall away so
that any moisture there sheds to the outside, reinstate the bracket,
reinstall the post.

Speaker 7 (01:42:20):
So the existing bracket and coming out of the Yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 11 (01:42:23):
Look.

Speaker 5 (01:42:25):
If the bracket's already there. You're not going to get
it out of the concrete, right, So you'd probably just
cast a new one on top of it. But I
would just I'd bring that concrete column up higher so
that it's sitting above ground. And I wonder whether what
happened was the concrete column or those pads were poured
and then someone else has changed the ground level and

(01:42:49):
got that soil around the bottom of the post. And
you're right, an H three point two post is not
designed to sit in the ground like that.

Speaker 7 (01:42:57):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:42:58):
H three point two is resistant to moisture above ground
where it has an opportunity to dry out, and where
it hasn't been able to dry out saturated constantly. That's
where it's rotted. That's what you've seen.

Speaker 7 (01:43:10):
So a new concrete pair on the existing one, do
I need to lock it in with? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:43:15):
I would drill in some starters so epoxy and some
steel reinforcing into it, and then use some high strength
concrete to bring that up and that will lock those
two areas together, and then redo your bracket on top
of that.

Speaker 7 (01:43:35):
I mean, I can't take the post out. The post is.

Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
Yeah, no, that I can see how that would be.
But if you've got sufficient distance from let's say the
top of the deck to the under to the top
of the concrete that you can remove the rot and
work away in that area. You know, you can be
within millimeters of the top. As long as you can
get the decking back down, you'll never know what happens
below it, right.

Speaker 7 (01:43:58):
Yeah, I can do that.

Speaker 5 (01:44:00):
But when you cut the bottom of the post, make
sure that you use a timber preservative like ProTem or
one of the other ones to really saturate the bottom
of that and and that you've got a clear distance
to allow for ventilation for drying at the bottom of
that post, so that it's not in direct contact with
a concrete or with the ground level.

Speaker 7 (01:44:22):
Okay, good, thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (01:44:24):
But take care of that. Sounds like a decent sized job,
not something you get done tomorrow. By the way, if
you're thinking about that, we're.

Speaker 7 (01:44:31):
Still trying to put a new kitchen and at the moment, right,
all right, weekend job.

Speaker 5 (01:44:36):
All right, mate, pleasure all the best. You're right, take
care bother the and Craig greetings, Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:44:42):
Good morningreg Hey, look god, I was nineteen seventies. It's
a batch now it's hardy plank on the side eleminium windows,
under the front of the eleminum windows. The best I
can squabe, but it is a black foamy stuff that started.
I've noticed the last couple of years I've been watching
the house that's starting to come as crumbling. Basically, do

(01:45:05):
you know what that is? It's some sort of yeah,
to stop the air or it's obviously not water because
it's underneath the window. Will I pull that out, strape
that out and replace it with something.

Speaker 5 (01:45:17):
So do you think that it's there just to stop
air from circulating around the window, so to stop drafts effectively?

Speaker 14 (01:45:25):
I think so to be what it looks like, they've yeah,
they've cut the whole and then they've put this foamy.
I didn't even know if to teach you out of
a chalking gum. It just looks like fie and I've
just pushed the window one screwed it into place, put
all the tidied up inside. I wonder whether it's just
reached his agent.

Speaker 5 (01:45:42):
Yeah, you can get.

Speaker 17 (01:45:45):
It.

Speaker 5 (01:45:45):
Sounds like that sort of single sided foam tape that
you might put around and then you press the window
into it. In some cases it will be helping with
weather tightness. So if you you're not intending to take
the window out, ah no, no, no, no to do that. Okay,
Really it the junction between the sill effectively or the

(01:46:10):
bottom of the window where the cladding comes up. Does
it extend up beyond the extrusion?

Speaker 14 (01:46:18):
I have a decent scratch around and have a lock.

Speaker 4 (01:46:22):
See.

Speaker 5 (01:46:23):
I suppose where I'd be a little bit cautious is
if there's not sufficient cover of the extrusion over the cladding.
Maybe they've added that into stop water being blown up
there or wind driven rain, and so if you were
to remove it, you've potentially allowed water to be pushed
up and over the cladding and into the building itself.

(01:46:45):
So I'd be ready, and I really you know that
we should really see some sort of sill flashing in
there as well. If that's missing and you go and
rip out the foam, unintended consequences, right. The other thing
is it might also allow for a bit of drainage,
in which case if you fill it up with silicon

(01:47:06):
and you stop that drainage, you also cause problems potentially.

Speaker 9 (01:47:11):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 10 (01:47:12):
Okay, So what do we do?

Speaker 5 (01:47:17):
So what's happening? Is it's just decaying and dropping out.

Speaker 14 (01:47:20):
Basically, that's just when on water basking around the side
of the house, and then it's just that you'll see
just starting to pull them.

Speaker 5 (01:47:28):
This is a simple answer to stop water blasting. Well,
I mean, everybody loves water blasting, but it can be devastating. Look,
I think, have a look at how far up the
cladding extends beyond the extrusion on that that lip at
the bottom yep. And if it looks like it's gone

(01:47:50):
up a reasonable way minimum fifteen millimeters, ideally twenty mili,
then I think it's probably low rist to say you
could cut out that existing foam, mask it off and
do a bead of sealant around there underneath it. Then
the other thing to check if you can on the
inside of your windows, have a look at the extrusion

(01:48:10):
and see whether there's some drainage holes right that allow condensation.
And tip a little bit of water into into that
drainage channel and see where it comes out. If it's
coming out underneath the extrusion, don't fill that gap up.
If it's coming out over the face of the extrusion,
you can see it exiting, then you could you know,

(01:48:30):
I'd feel more comfortable about filling that gap up at
the bottom of cap All right, yep, all the best, buddy,
Take care by Jarl. It sounds like one of those
classics where I've got the batch, but all I do
is go there and work on it, as opposed to
go there and relax and read a good book eight
thirty five Your New Stalks. He'd be back in a.

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