Full Show Podcast: 08 March 2026

This morning on the show, we talked granny flat, permits and wastewater! Pete also gave advice on how to repair plaster roofing and leaky joinery.

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Make your child at home and starting you Yeah, very
very good morning, and welcome along to the Resident Builder
on Sunday with me Pet wolf Camp, the Resident Builder,
and this is your opportunity to talk all things building
and construction.

Speaker 7 (02:46):
So actually I just realized a little let that song
run a little bit longer than I normally do. See,
I like that song, which is why we play it
at the beginning of every show here at Newstalk CP
on a Sunday morning. So from now through till nine o'clock,
it's an opportunity for you to talk about building, construction, legislation,
rules and regulars products, tools. We could easily go off

(03:10):
on quite a tangent around the whole tool thing. I'll
explain a bit more about that later on. And of
course at eight thirty we change gear, we jump into
the garden, we engage first gear with red Cliin Past,
and we're off like a four wheel drive, trotting across
the paddock. Red Cliin Pass will be with us at
eight thirty this morning to talk all things gardening the

(03:33):
wonderful world of entomology as well. So if right now,
though you've got a question about building, about what goes
wrong sometimes what goes right engaging with contractors, we've had
quite a lot of discussion around that over the last
couple of weeks. Or maybe you've got a question about
a project that you've started that perhaps is not quite

(03:57):
going in the direction that you expected it to go,
or there's you know, even for myself, I wander along
to the large were stores and that looking for a
particular product and find that there is something new that's
arrived on the shelves or something that I've never used
in that circumstance before, or you're there and you're going, okay,

(04:21):
So I've got two tubes and they both kind of
look the same. They both say silicon, and they both
say adhesive, and they both say that you know they
do this, but which is the right one to use?
We can talk about all of these things on the
show this morning. I produce it this morning. I hope
it is asked me how my week was, and I

(04:42):
kind of said, look, my head hurts, which, to be fair,
if you ask somebody that at five point thirty in
the morning, it's typically because well they might have had
one too many of the night before, which is in
my case not completely true. I have spent the last
or three of the last couple of days in sort

(05:02):
of formal training in a sense. So through the New
Zealand's due to building surveys, they run a qualification course.
So in order to be able to get to the
standard required for membership of the New Zealand's due to
building surveys, members are expected to undertake training which I

(05:24):
suppose i'd best describe as kind of tertiary level study
around building and building science. So Day one or module
one was all about an introduction to building legislation, so
understanding the Building Act, understanding the difference between the Building
Act and the Building Code, differences between the Building Act
and building regulations, pathways to compliance, et cetera, et cetera,

(05:47):
et cetera. So at the end of the day, which
was presented by a very very good presenter, there's an exam.
So you sit the exam and if you get a
sufficient amount of that right, then that's qualified as a
tick and then you're on to the next day, which
and the next day was the properties of moisture. I know,

(06:10):
it's quite a thing. So another day being instructed by
literally a physicist on the properties of moisture. Actually it
was John from Brands who came up to Auckland presented
for the day, and again at the end of the
day an exam and I have to say, I'm trying
to think it's probably sometime in the mid nineties since

(06:32):
the last time I actually sat and did a formal exam,
so it's been a little while anyway, at the end
of that it was I mean two days of solid learning.
It was excellent, loved every minute of it. But at
the same time, a little bit wearisome, I guess when
it's not something that used to doing swinging a hammer, sure, talking, presenting,

(06:56):
sure learning slightly different. Anyway, my head is a little
bit full of a whole bunch of hot, new, useful stuff.
And then top that off with attending the Building Science Summit,
which was something that we had John Davies on from
pro Climber talking about a couple of weeks ago. This
has been kind of a touring show, let's say, so

(07:17):
christ Church, Wellington, Auckland again I'll talk a little bit
more about it. Some outstanding presenters including some international presenters,
so from Germany, from Canada, and one gentleman who's here
permanently now but started his training in essentially building science
back in Belgium. So fantastic amount of detail and instruction

(07:41):
around the various elements that go up to create something
that appears quite simple. And I know I've said this
on the show a couple of times. Is that when
we think about our houses and it's kind of like
it's shelter, right, and as simple as that, it's a roof,
it's some walls, it's a couple of windows. Hopefully it
keeps the water out, Hopefully it keeps some of the

(08:02):
heat in. Hopefully it creates an environment that is reasonably
healthy for people to be in. And in that sense,
it's incredibly simple and straightforward. But at the same time,
all of those elements combined and then subject to different forces,
subject to wind or subject to rain, or subject to
heat or was the impact of humidity in those spaces,

(08:26):
creates a whole series of other environments within a house,
some of which are healthy and some of which are not.
So if we look at respiratory disease in New Zealand,
you can argue that a significant amount of that simply
comes from the fact that a lot of our housing
is of pretty poor quality. And if it is, then
how do we fix it. Well, we have to understand

(08:47):
the science in order to figure out a solution. So
it's been a good old week, but I have to
say that sometime this week I'll just be doing some
good old fashioned building work, and that will give my
brain a rest for a little while, or use in
a different part of the brain to actually figure out
why the window's not working. Or there's a leak somewhere,
which now that I've done a whole day of understanding

(09:10):
the properties of moisture, I might have a different lens
to investigate that leak. Righty oh, that's my week. Tell
me about yours, Tell me about your projects, Tell me
about what's going on at your place. If you've got
a question, I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. You can text as well. That's nine
to nine two or zbzb from your mobile phone. And

(09:31):
if you give me a minute, and if I remember
my password, I'll figure out the email thing. That's Pete
Atnewstalk SEDB dot co dot NZ. So the lines are open.
Whatever's on your mind this morning. I wait, hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. And I got
a delightful email that arrived yesterday, someone mentioning that there's
another one of these light garage sale tool things coming up.

(09:54):
I will I'm more than happy to talk about it.
It's on the Company coast. Ex Saturday. For a moment,
I actually thought, gee, that would be fun. Maybe I
should lip down to this tallsale on the company coast
outside the men shed. But I'll I realized I've got
another engagement next Saturday, so we'll mention that a little

(10:14):
bit later on. This is off the back of the
wildly successful Devenport Tool Bizarre. It's inaugural one, which I
hope will become a fairly regular event in Devenport. That
both Locke, my regular producer, and myself nipped across too
straight after the show finished a couple of weeks ago.
Rightioh time for you calls. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty

(10:36):
is the number to call. We can talk legislation, we
can talk products, we can talk contractors, we can talk
rules and regulations. We can talk all the practical stuff,
whatever relates to building, construction, housing. It's all go, it's
all it's ala carte, it's an ala catte menu, it's
whatever you choose today on the show. I'm going to

(10:57):
take a short break. We'll talk to Julian just a moment.
If you'd like to join Julie, the lines are open.
The number is eight hundred eighty ten.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Eighty helping you finish that bye, but it fixed you
started the resident building with Beeter Wolfcamp and Independent Building
Supplies the future of Kiwi building Today. Call eight hundred
eighty ten eighty News Talk Radio, welcome along to the show.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Julia very good morning, Hi Julie. Hello, ah hey, right,

(11:36):
a small technical issue potentially here actually.

Speaker 7 (11:40):
Just ah, there we go, Julie. Hello, just just just
hold the line, Alistair. Does it work for you? Alistair?

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Hello?

Speaker 9 (11:55):
Works for you?

Speaker 10 (11:56):
Right?

Speaker 11 (11:58):
Okay, nt right, good morn.

Speaker 7 (11:59):
Let's crack into it. Good morning.

Speaker 11 (12:02):
Nineteen seventies eighties house and the internal ceilings got that
flicked on plaster? Yep, what's the best way to scrape
it off?

Speaker 7 (12:12):
For put jib over the top or yeah? Sure? Well
first thing, it's a small risk, but there is there
is a possibility because the slightly earlier versions of that
like had a little bit of a sparkle in it,
and one of short answers make if you're going to

(12:36):
do it, just take a little sample, go to an
industrial chemist and just make sure that it's got no
asbestos in it. Right, So I think with the later versions.
It's a small risk, but it's worth checking out right.
So once you've done that, what I've seen guys do
is essentially get a little pump bottle like a little
atomizer use for weed spray or something like that, put

(12:58):
some water in it, atomize spray that until it's saturated
or you get a bit of moisture on it, and
then just with a broad knife that's enough to kind
of soften the plaster and then scrape it. The reason
that it's often applied to ceilings is you don't have
to then do a great job of the stopping, because
if you're going to stop plaster board and get it

(13:20):
really nice and smooth sufficient for it to look decent
with a coat of paint, that's quite that's a reasonable
amount of work. Whereas typically with this they put the
plaster board up, they'd stop the nail holes, screw holes,
do the joints, and then spray the stuff on bingo.
Job done right. It hides a lot of sins, so
expect that underneath it the plaster board. The plaster board

(13:43):
should be okay, but the finish of the stopping won't
be that great, so you'll need to get a jib
stopper in and come through and skim the ceiling and
then paint it after that. Okay, but typically just moisten it,
use a broad knife, just peel it off, scrape it off.

Speaker 10 (14:00):
Okay, there'd be a bet option and replacing with a
new jib.

Speaker 7 (14:04):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 12 (14:05):
I mean.

Speaker 7 (14:07):
In some cases, you know, let's say it's the ceilings
in really really poor condition, then yes, you could just
put a new one underneath. But I think that you know,
let's say let's say it's a five by four room, right,
so twenty square meters, and it takes you a day
to scrape all of that stuff off, and then another

(14:29):
day for a stopper to come through. To put a
new ceiling underneath means popping off all of the scotias,
going and getting product, putting product up, making sure that
you've found all the fixings so you're not just gluing
it to the underside of the old one. Then you've
still got to do it. Get a stopper and who's
got to do all the joints and the fixings, and
then get it up to a level four, level five finish,

(14:52):
and then you've still got to paint it. So I
just think, you know, if it's your time, for example,
it'll be a much more cost effective solution just to
get stuck in and get that texture coat off.

Speaker 13 (15:04):
Okay, yeahound good.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
That's that's why we've got you knows with radios in them.
Good luck. But hey, please do go and get the
testing done. Okay, all the very best. You take care,
see your news talk, said b Dave, hanging hand, it's

(15:28):
jumping around, Dave. Greetings to you, Hi, Pete.

Speaker 13 (15:33):
I'd just like to talk about these grannie flits. I
may sure, probably a silly question, but does it have
to be a grannie flat or can it just be
a shed?

Speaker 7 (15:44):
Well, if it's a shed, it already has I guess
a dispensation in legislation up to a certain size. Okay,
so sheds, for example, I think Garrett is so a garage,
which is basically a shed you can build without necessarily

(16:04):
getting a building consent up to it forty square meters.
I think it's forty square meters now anyway, So you
used to be able to build a structure up to
thirty square meters if it wasn't if it was a sleepout,
but didn't it wasn't habitable in the sense that it
didn't have any plumbing fixtures. Now what the legislation is,

(16:25):
because it's now come into law, is you can do
up to seventy square meters without necessarily getting a building consent,
without needing a resource consent. You still need to go
to council and fill out a project information memorandum, et cetera.
You still have to build in accordance with the building code.
It's just the time spent on consenting that you don't

(16:45):
have to worry about.

Speaker 13 (16:46):
Yeah, I understand that, So can the seventy square meters?
Can it be like a shed like yes? So yes
worth plumbing and there are not but basically used as
a shedd without internal walls and open space in the kitchen,
eat and whatever.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
I guess what you choose to do with it. So
I guess the only reason they're not talking about it
being a shed or a non habitable structure is the
intention is that you can build up to seventy square
meters and have someone living in there. Your intention is
to build a seventy square meters having some of the
things that you might want to have to live in it,

(17:27):
but not necessarily wanting to live in it.

Speaker 9 (17:30):
Exactly.

Speaker 7 (17:31):
The only thing that you will find that you while
you're not building a habitable space as in you're building
a shed or a workshop or something like that, which
sounds awesome, it's got to be to the standard that
you could live in it. So, for example, you know
a garrett you could leave unlined and uninsulated for example,
in this instance, you will need to insulate it. You

(17:54):
will need to line it will need to be built
in accordance with the building code.

Speaker 14 (18:00):
There it is.

Speaker 13 (18:01):
I knew you'd have the answer. Yeah, bringing in the
back of my head thinking it is something you're not
right here about shed, but I hear what you're saying.
The second thing on the same subject, concrete poor slab
or wooden floor? Has did it come to light yet?

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (18:15):
Now really interesting And unfortunately I was halfway through that
discussion with someone during the course of the week and
in a very brief text exchange because we didn't get
time to talk. Apparently a concrete slab is okay. And
the reason just just a bit of background on that,
the reason that I was a bit unsure about it
is that the legislation as it is at the moment

(18:37):
is very definite around lightweight structures, right, So it can
be timber frame, it can be steel frame, it can
be an iron roof, but I'm pretty sure it excludes
the possibility of it being a concrete tile roof. The
wall structure, for example, can't be tilt slab or a
block wall because that's over two hundred and twenty kgs

(18:59):
per square meter. That's what your will build up can be.
And I'm thinking, well, hang on, if all of these
things are about lightweight, then what does it say about
the flaw? And I'm actually talking with some people at
brands who are doing so. Brands are looking to present
a guideline to people like you and I about what
you can build. Okay, so if you know, how do

(19:22):
we summarize this because at the moment, and this is
the it was actually one of the things we kind
of looked at during the course of this week. The
difference between legislation and regulation. So the Building Act, which
can be changed, allows these things to be built, but
it doesn't tell you how to build them. That's what
regulation and the Building Code does. So regulation is able

(19:47):
to be changed a little bit easier. Legislation, the Building
Act is harder to change. It takes more time in parliament,
et cetera, et cetera. So but in the brief discussions
I had with some of the people at brands this week,
it seems like a concrete slab is going to be okay.
But I will know much more next week.

Speaker 13 (20:07):
Awesome. Last question, Yeah, it has to be built by
a registered builder. Can someone like me I must succeeds sure,
I'm stuck all my life? Can I do it and
be overseen and signed off by a registered builder?

Speaker 7 (20:23):
I don't see why not. And again that's that's within
the Act as well. So restrictive building work which must
be done or supervised by a licensed building practitioner is
how it currently works. So in this instance, if you
could find an LBP who's prepared to offer up a
record of work on your behalf saying I supervised Dave

(20:44):
and he's built it in accordance to the Building Code,
then that's a pathway to compliance, right Awesome? And I
think that phrase pathway to compliance is kind of important now,
and it will become more and more important because you
know the other thing is when by building without having

(21:05):
a building can end we're not engaging with counsel, which
means that, you know. Typically in the past, there's always
been that surety to go, well, look i'm building something.
The building inspectors come out, they've looked at it, they've
said it's okay. So going forward, how does someone else
know that it's okay because hopefully a building professional signed
it off, which will be an LVP.

Speaker 13 (21:26):
Yeah, thank you very much, passway to compliance. I'll keep
an eye on.

Speaker 7 (21:32):
Yeah, it's a nifty little phrase. Lovely Yeah, yeah, I know,
I know, I know, but hey, look this is this
is a brave new world. So there's a whole new language,
all right, mate, lovely to chat, take care by by then,
and Julie's back with us. This is awesome. Hey Julie,
how are you?

Speaker 8 (21:48):
Hi?

Speaker 15 (21:49):
Good?

Speaker 7 (21:49):
How are you reasings?

Speaker 15 (21:51):
So we have three verandas on our very old home.
One of them is brand new and the two other
tour existing late in nineteens and fifty one ish yep
teen to understand what to coat them with, to protect
them with. The new one is actually for a mudroom,
and it's part of it is outside, so it's always

(22:11):
exposed to weather, where the rest of it is under veranda.
So we're trying to work out. Lots of products out there,
but we're trying to work out what is one of
the better ones to use that will protect the veranda
from all the weather while not making it slippery because
it's for a mudroom and we don't want to come
up in the boots and fall over.

Speaker 7 (22:30):
Yeah. Sure, So if it's a veranda, it's a timber decking.
Is it actual decking or is it tongue groove boards?

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Now?

Speaker 14 (22:39):
Yep?

Speaker 15 (22:40):
And matt iron. We've had new mat I run for
the new one.

Speaker 7 (22:43):
Wow, that's interesting with the Matti that you've chosen to use.
Did you get it treated?

Speaker 15 (22:53):
No, it's not treated at the moment.

Speaker 7 (22:55):
How interesting, okay. And the other ones have they been.

Speaker 15 (22:58):
Painted, No, never been painted. They have been treated with
a type of old style varnish back in the day,
but that's more or less gone on all but one
sort of.

Speaker 16 (23:10):
Area of the more and the decks.

Speaker 7 (23:13):
So the decks are tongue and groove joined together, fixed
down with obviously no gaps in between them, or just
minor gaps as they move and that sort of thing.
And then the two existing ones have had some sort
of like polyurethane over the top of them.

Speaker 15 (23:27):
Yes, yep.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
And then you've laid a new one in the same material,
but that's untreated and uncoated at this stage.

Speaker 15 (23:35):
That's right.

Speaker 7 (23:40):
I mean, look ninety nine times out of one hundred,
exterior verandas like that are painted, right. And so they painted,
they've got a bit of fall on them, and you're right,
they can become slippery in wet weather. And so the
typical approach that is to use some paints are designed
to be walked on and they have like a little

(24:02):
bit of a slip resistant coefficient in them, So they've
they've got some material that makes them not so smooth
in them, or you can paint them. And I've done
this myself. I'll do the first coat and then I'll mix,
I'll put some grit into my paint and I'll paint
that on the second coat, and then I'll do a
top coat over the top of it. So it's it's
a little bit like sandpaper, right, and that gives me

(24:23):
a bit of slip resistance.

Speaker 15 (24:26):
We don't want to paint it with a color like
we just we want to treat it with a like
maybe a slight stain color, but we want to be
true to the Mattie color that it is, and I've
cleaned that one of the older ones and it's come
up really beautiful again, looks lovely.

Speaker 7 (24:45):
So I'm not sure you can have your cake and
eat it too, in the sense that, like I mean,
you could you could add some grit to polyurethane, for example.
I don't know what that will look like. It would
be interesting to do that as a test, because in
the end, if you're going to apply an oil, for example,

(25:08):
over the top of it, or a polyurethane or something
like that, it's going to be smooth and that's not
going to give you the slip resistance that you want.
So you could try and apply a grit like the
stuff that I've got at home is called SRG grit.
I'm not sure if that's still available, but similar types
of grits are available. If you put that into polyurethane,

(25:31):
whether it would look any good or whether you know,
the grit would become obvious and et cetera. I think
we've actually lost Julie unfortunately. HOPEU she's listening. That's a
real challenge. The straightforward way would be painted and put
some grit in the paint. Otherwise I mean, if you
want it to be super super practical, you could do
like a mesh or something over the top like they

(25:52):
do on walkways and conservation estates. But I don't think
that's desirable either. Interesting one oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. We need to take a short break. Thank
you very much. Julie and Doug will be with you
in just a moment.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Where DIY gets unstuck.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Call the Resident Builder with Peter wolfgam and Independent Building
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Speaker 7 (26:19):
Apparently I misquoted the thing. Anyone can have their cake
and eat it too. They can't eat it and have
it too. The old adage is always misquoted. I'll have
to rethink that, Thank you very much. A couple of
other quick texts have come in pet quick question about
the granny flats. If no building consent is required, how

(26:41):
is the connection of waste and stormwater dealt with? Chairs
from Steve. Steve, when you go to council with all
of the information required on a PYM a project information,
so when you submit that it will include how you
are going to connect storm water and wastewater? And I
did see some commentary online from someone who has prepared

(27:05):
the documentation gold to their local council and found that
their own the existing dwelling on the site. Because this
is the other thing with the granny flat is it
can be added to an existing site. It can't be
a way of putting a building on a new site
where there is no existing building. So let's say you've
got your house front and let's say, and this isn't

(27:27):
terribly uncommon, that house has never been connected to storm water.
And then you go along to council and you say
I'd like to build in the backyard, and council goes, okay, well,
you don't have storm water. In this instance, the stormwater
connection is across the road from your house. And so
the only way we're going to grant you the consent

(27:50):
or the permission to build is if you connect your
stormwater for your new seventy square meter to the existing
stormwater that exists across the road. Now, at a rough guess,
getting across the road is going to be I don't know,
thirty four thousand dollars exercise, and I don't have a

(28:12):
problem with it. I think that that's the cost of compliance, right,
But those sorts of things will come and catch you.
So Steve, the short answer is you need to provide
evidence to counsel how you're going to deal with the
storm water, and they may then say to you, go
across the road, connect into the public line there, thank
you very much, and you'll go criiky can't afford that,

(28:34):
and then that's the end of the project. Oh eight,
one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Got a bunch of other oh including this one for
our first caller, Alistair Pete. We sprayed water lightly over
the ceiling, then sanded the lumps down and painted. It
turned out great new kitchen, dining room, done and dusted
and I'm sure there would have been a lot of dust.
Thanks very much for that, Dean, Doug. Talk to me

(28:54):
about your joinery morning, Pete Greetings.

Speaker 17 (28:58):
Yeah, yeah, so you've been doing a bit of research
on leaky Oh yeah, yes, yeah. My sun's actually looking
at Peach property. No cavity single days. They's got ship
lap on the outside and the iron that's running horizontal.

(29:23):
I'm pretty sure, ye iron. So in the cells A
couple of the three of the window sills have rotted
inside obviously because they haven't been drained or a lot
of moisture.

Speaker 10 (29:40):
Yep.

Speaker 17 (29:41):
And then the ranch sliders on the inside cell the
boards rust. The boards rotted sort of just just on
one end, but it's actually been looks like it's been
joined because he's a split halfway a long.

Speaker 7 (29:57):
Yeah, so it sounds like the original jam line it rotted.
They've replaced the jamliner and that one now has rotted
as well. Yeah yeah, or hard test.

Speaker 17 (30:09):
As well. So okay, So to actually replace it or
do any work on it, does it need a consent
for join re out?

Speaker 7 (30:20):
And great question. Yeah no, typically, so Schedule one of
the Act defines building work. It also defines building work
that may may not require a consent, and most of
the time replacing joinery like for lake, doesn't require a

(30:43):
building consent. Interestingly enough, if for example, there was some
rotten studs that you replaced, that then is structural and
that might require a building consent or does require a
building consent. So with regard to the exting building, I mean, look,

(31:03):
the direct fixed cladding, there's not a lot that you
can do about that apart from try and maintain it.
I tell you what, there's a whole bunch of takeaways
from this course, one of which is, and this is
you know, directly from a building scientist physicist, right who goes,
this is what happens when we paint buildings and the

(31:26):
absorption the impact of moisture on a building that's well painted.
Paints are really, really, really important thing. We've kind of
known it, but seeing it tested and proven is fascinating, right, So,
you know, doing keeping the paint work in really good
condition has significant benefits for the performance of the cladding system.

(31:50):
So if, for example, its ship lap and it's well painted,
it'll last a lot longer than if you allow the
paint to degrade. And often, you know, I'm sure we're
all guilty of this. We let our paint systems degrade
to the point where they don't perform as they should
and we get moisture and gress in a long that
will get decay and we'll get mold and all the
rest of it. So, but if for example, you wanted

(32:13):
to remove that cladding and replace it, unless you did
like for like, that would trigger a requirement for a
building consent. So for example, if you thought, well, actually
I want to get a really good cast iron guarantee
that my clouding's not going to leak. So what I'm
going to do is, I'm going to pull all the
cladding off, I'm going to do new building wraps, I'm

(32:34):
going to put a cavity batman on, and I'm going
to do new cladding. That would require a consent. Yeah, right, okay,
it does sound like and I typically don't stray into
this territory. It's one of those things because I do
a fair number of sort of housing condition assessment type things.

(32:54):
You'd look at that and go, do you have the
appetite for this project, and.

Speaker 17 (33:02):
Looking like, yeah, it could be just the joinery leaking
in that corner. It's a bit like I've replaced one
half of the other side, which is signed now, but
there's other sides gone.

Speaker 7 (33:14):
Yes, and some of these things can be repaired. Some
of these things. It's amazing with joinery. And I'm not
suggesting that all solutions to joinery that's not performing and
leaking is simple. But in some cases it's that the
drainage pathways have been blocked, or they're in the wrong place,

(33:34):
or they are simply not big enough. And again here's
a little takeaway. If you take a flat sheet of
metal or so, and you drill a three milimeter hole
in there and you put some rain drops and water
drops on top of it, you might actually find that
that water drop doesn't go through the three milimeter hole
because of the surface tension and water. If you drill

(33:59):
a four and a half to five milimeter hole, it's
likely to go through. If you drill a six milimeter hole,
it will go through. So this is the whole thing,
you know. So you might originally with the drainage channels,
they might have drilled a three mil hole for drainage
and it just doesn't work because the surface tentsure of
water means that the water sits on top Yeah right, yeah,

(34:22):
until there's sufficient pressure and then some of it will
go through, but it won't drain in the way that
it's supposed to.

Speaker 17 (34:26):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's obviously a single glazes are
getting more moisture inside the house.

Speaker 7 (34:34):
Yeah, condensation, yes, yeah, but yeah, I mean there are
other ways of dealing with that in terms of heating
the house, the relative humidity inside the house, those sorts
of things. But at the same time, we know that
single glazing is obviously a contributor to buildings performing poorly

(34:55):
in terms of their thermal problem.

Speaker 17 (34:57):
Yeah, of course in the area they've got a lot
of tiles. There's no but cheese ducting heating, but there's
no heat palm or anything.

Speaker 7 (35:04):
Right yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all of those things.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (35:08):
Oh well so yeah, so as soon as we opened
it up and do structure, as.

Speaker 7 (35:12):
Soon as that structural as spelling consent, yep.

Speaker 17 (35:15):
Yeah yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 7 (35:18):
Much appreciated, all the best. You don't think take care duty.
Thank you then, thank you Neville, greetings to you.

Speaker 14 (35:25):
Yeah, good morning, Peter. I'm well laid here in the
chateau and the best part of New Zealand. I enjoyed
your address this morning. But just one little question. Did
you part all your exams?

Speaker 7 (35:37):
I won't know for a couple of weeks. So the exam,
so I think there was twelve fourteen of us in
the court on the course, and interestingly enough the first
course that I did, there was actually an independent the
sessa in the room as well, so they were observing
how it was, what the course material was, how it

(35:59):
was presented and so on, and they'll probably get a
chance to see the exam as well. So all of
us finished the exam. When we'd finished it, we handed
it into the supervisor and then we'll wait. And I
now you've put me in that position where in a
couple of weeks time, if someone rings and says, how'd
you go with the exam? I suppose I've got to

(36:20):
tell you which if I didn't pass, I'm going to
have to admit that as well. Maybe I should have
just shut up about this.

Speaker 14 (36:29):
That's why I very very knowledgeable guy.

Speaker 7 (36:37):
Stop digging, put the shovel away, Stop digging camp right.

Speaker 14 (36:42):
Thanks for the chat. But I'll.

Speaker 7 (36:47):
Ring in four weeks time and see whether he's passed
or not.

Speaker 14 (36:51):
We want the click answer.

Speaker 7 (36:54):
Yeah, thank you mate, all the best, you too, take
care of all the best, Take care key. That does
set up a rather interesting situation, doesn't it. Ah, All right,
I'll take a break. We'll be back with Dean in
just a moment.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
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Speaker 7 (37:25):
Very interesting comment from bears. Thank you for this, just
very briefly. I disagree with you, Pete. If the stormwater
connection is across the road. The council should wear the cost.
Why should one side of the road be disadvantaged because
a planner put the pipe on the other side of
the road from bears. I see your point, I do.

(37:50):
I'm just going to leave that there. Well, well we
can discuss dean. Greetings to you.

Speaker 12 (37:55):
How are you?

Speaker 7 (37:56):
But I'm very well?

Speaker 12 (37:59):
No, but sonths ago, oh, I had a plaster to
com and to do my shat yep, because some of
the plastering was coming like originally I had a link.
So the roof's being done. There's nothing wrong with the
roofs sole I can count their Hell now six months
ago he had to do some plattering in my kitchen.

(38:23):
One section has start to splash again.

Speaker 13 (38:29):
Right now.

Speaker 12 (38:30):
When I saw the guy scrape everything off, he who's
keeping right that fos He could a plaster that came
back send and painted and look beautiful. Now it's the
same pace, same section has gone again. Am I able
to get like a stopper or I need something to

(38:51):
come and be cut one siction out rest of the ceiling.

Speaker 13 (38:56):
This perfect.

Speaker 12 (38:57):
It's only this one play I've done quite and the
same thing's happened again.

Speaker 7 (39:03):
So when you say this kind of a failure. Is
it the plaster board that's decayed and and sort of
moved and caused the damage, or is it just the
stopping that's gone over the top that hasn't stuck to
the plasterboard bit below it or above it.

Speaker 12 (39:21):
I'm just one and that that's the case. Take Because
when it first came up, a guy came in and
he's got drawed back and he plastered it, and then
it's then it came back side got this other guy
and heat went far back.

Speaker 10 (39:38):
Is he's good?

Speaker 12 (39:39):
And the same thing tapped and again, And I'm just
wondering the bush of that section cut right out and replaced.

Speaker 7 (39:48):
That right, that's that section plaster board. I suspect that
it's more about that that adhesion the first time. So
my typical pattern is, if let's say I've got an
existing plaster board wall, it's a little bit old and
I want to do some repairs to it. I will
clean the wall as best as possible, and then I'll

(40:10):
use a pigmented seala. Once I've done all my sort
of surface prep, roll on a coat of pigmented seala,
which really sucks into the surface of the plaster board
and sticks right, it sticks like the proverbial, so pigmented
seala first. Then I'll do repairs, so little bit of
stopping that sort of thing over the top of it,

(40:33):
because I know that my stopping will stick to the
pigmented seala surface. Then I'll do another coat of pigmented
seala to seal that stopping that goes on, and then
I'll carry on painting. So I think if you just
come along and apply a stopping compound to an old surface,
it may not bond. And I'm wondering whether that is

(40:54):
what's happening. So I would do what you've been doing,
but I would do a coat of pigmented seala once
you've done the preparation, and then after you've applied the
stopping compound before you do the top coat, so that
the secret source and that is the pigmented sealer ding.
Good luck with that. We're getting a lot of texts

(41:14):
about the storm water. It's quite an interesting one. Hey
Pete again, thanks for your response. Just to clarify about
wastewater and stormwater connections for granny flats, can we connect
to the existing house in ground pipework using registered drain lays? Yes,
Steve you can, so I'll explain more about this instance
straight after News, Sport and Weather Top of the hour
at seven back.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
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Speaker 7 (41:50):
Well, welcome back to the show. My name's Peak wolf Camp,
Resident Builder and this is your opportunity to talk all
things building and construction. So this morning on the program,
already we've talked texted ceilings, We've talked granny flats, and
there really does have There is a better word for it.
It is simple standalone dwellings. Right, It doesn't quite roll

(42:12):
off the tongue like granny flats. But anyway, Veranda's leaky windows.
Somewhere I mentioned that I've been doing some training this week,
which also means sitting an exam because it's a formal qualification.
But of course by saying that I've set an exam,
it opens up the question how did you go? Which

(42:33):
I don't know yet, nobody does. They're marked and will
be informed at some stage in the next couple of weeks,
which does make it sound a lot like school Sea
and ue and all of those sorts of things from
years ago, doesn't it. But now that I've mentioned it
on air, it does raise the question. I'm going to

(42:55):
have to say how I got on in the past,
Mark seventy. So anyway, maybe you'll have forgotten about it
in a couple of weeks time. But look, let's hope
that I do. Okay, but I will mention it. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call now a couple Just Steve, I'd appreciate you've been waiting.

(43:19):
I'll come to you in just a second. High again, Pete,
says Steve. Other Steve, possibly thanks for your response. Just
to clarify about the waste and stormwater connections for Granny flats,
Can we connect to the existing house in ground pipework
using a registered train layer. Yes, that's the provision, But
it might also be that counsel are aware that the

(43:41):
existing network is under pressure and that adding a dwelling,
albeit at seventy square meters, is going to put too
much pressure on the existing network, and they could potentially
decline your application to connect or accept your application to
connect if you then upgrade the network or part of

(44:06):
the net work. So I'm aware it's a slight different
situation where a developer wanting to do let's say, three
townhouses where there were just one house, was then granted
permission to do the development on the basis or with
the proviso that they also then upgraded a section of
the public storm water let's say network and increase the

(44:30):
size of that. Now, in this instance, the value of
that work was about one hundred thousand dollars. Now, maybe
if it's three townhouses and they're all going to sell
for one point three one point four million dollars, maybe
there's sufficient profit in the project to justify the cost
of doing that. But if you're doing a simple standalone

(44:53):
dwelling because you're looking for a cost effective solution, being
asked to spend tens of thousands of dollars to upgrade
a portion of the stormwater network or the wastewater network
is going to make that not so cost effective. So
I suppose, in the most straightforward manner, what this says

(45:14):
about the proposed or they're not proposed changes it's in
law now, right, is that it was kind of sold
on the you know this will be a more affordable
solution to increase housing stock by allowing you to build
relatively small compacts, straightforward designs without needing to go through
the consent phase. Except that that doesn't mean that there

(45:36):
are no rules. There are rules, and council will still
be able to make I guess what are reasonable demands,
which is, if you're going to connect to the network,
the network's got to cope with it. And if it
won't cope with it and it needs upgrading, maybe you'll
have to bear the cost of that. So we'll see
where that goes. Steve, greetings to you, thanks.

Speaker 11 (45:54):
For adding.

Speaker 10 (45:58):
Just quickly on the on the draining side of things,
that would Yeah, as you probably know, it'd be very
very impractical to ask homeowner to upgrade a small section
of a public line. I don't think they would because
they're going to be going into private drainage anyway. They're
existing private, they're not going to be going in the public.
They're not allowed to.

Speaker 7 (46:17):
Well in this instance here, the case that I read
about was, you know, not every single house, lots of
houses pre gosh, probably nineteen fifties, even sixties might not
have a stormwater connection to a public stormwater line exactly,

(46:38):
and some of them, if you go back a little
bit further, lots of houses used to have their storm
water connecting into the wastewater line exactly. Now counsel which
don't want it. Yeah, So imagine if you're adding seventy
square meters to the rear of the property, your existing
house doesn't have formal stormwater. Council will say, Okay, you

(47:01):
can connect, or you can build, but you're going to
have to connect the catchment from that to the public line.
And in this instance, the public line happened to be
across the street.

Speaker 10 (47:13):
Yeah, that's a problem, isn't it. As you probably know,
I've been the business. It's about the same time as you. Sure,
I've an architectal designer for the last twenty five years,
building before then, and combine the two together. So we're
working in Auckland. Look, I've been having a lot of
conversations with builders and we're going this whole granny flat thing.
No building get sent. It's going to be an absolute nightmare,

(47:35):
as you have probably worked out yourself. Unfortunately for the public,
it's so complicated that all they're hearing for Chris Bishop
is no build consent hooray. It's like a free for all,
you know what I mean, It's like winning lotto to them.
Because we hear so much in the media about the
cost of building consents that the like I said, Chris

(47:55):
Bishop likes to throw out there. Look, and I'm actually
a National supporter, but I think this thing is going
to be a bit of a disaster down the track.
Feat And also because people realize that that the basic
rules around it. For one thing, just the planning side
of it, you have to be two meters I'll use
often as an example that Rome and under Unitary Plan

(48:16):
you can pretty much build a meter off your boundary
as of right with pretty.

Speaker 7 (48:21):
Much all the zones with a consent.

Speaker 10 (48:24):
Under consent with a granny flat rule, no building consent,
you have to be two meters away. So well you
kind of hamstrung a little bit and people probably don't
understand that. And also you need to be a you've
got to be a timber of forces, you know, off
the ground. You can't be on a concrete slab.

Speaker 7 (48:42):
No apparently not no, no, no, apparently not Apparently you
can do a concrete slab. And I say that because
I was in discussions with some people at brands who
are writing a paper on this, and that's but there
is there's probably more detail and I'll know more next week.

Speaker 10 (49:00):
Is that being tweaked in the legislation.

Speaker 7 (49:03):
Possibly because there's another part of the legislation which they
seem to have overlooked, and that is that the build
up of the walls is either timber framing or lightweight steel. Now,
I happened to be in christ Church a couple of
weeks ago talking to the guys at four months SIPs panels.
Right now, I think a factory built solution is a

(49:25):
good solution, right for this type of dwelling. Broadly speaking,
it does because at least you've got the quality control.

Speaker 9 (49:34):
Right.

Speaker 7 (49:34):
If you've got a factory that's making these things all
of the time, they know what they're doing.

Speaker 10 (49:39):
You know, you've got little one man, fanned home handy
man knocking up these prefabs.

Speaker 7 (49:46):
Yeah, but that's not let's do apples with apples, right,
So you've got a factory that's got you know, quality
control and a history and a track record. Turns out
SIPs panels aren't included of any variety. Now that's that's
a terrible oversight, right, It is so, so there's going

(50:07):
to have to be some changes because I actually think
that that type of construction, that type of methodology would
be ideally suited. Look in a nutshell, I actually wondered
whether the better pathway forward for this. I understand the intent,
and the intent is to provide more affordable housing, you know,
of a modest scale in an existing situation. I actually

(50:29):
wonder whether they could have made the whole thing simpler
by just saying, if you go to a manufacturer of
these types of dwellings, you don't need to consent.

Speaker 10 (50:37):
Well, yeah, you're right, but you know what the problem
is that people don't realize you still have to apply,
make all these applications solutely need and so it's only
going to say, this is the conversations I have, and
we're laughing, because you know what, You're going to have
two tiers of construction here. You're going to have people
who are still going through the build consent process, and
that's a higher level because you have overside and might

(51:02):
a couple more thousand over non consented because you're still
going to have to pay the fees to the council
for the PM and everything else. It's not going to
be given to you for free. So that's going to
creep up. There won't be much in it. And then
when you go and sell your house, you know what's
going to happen. You're going to get a whole lot.
It's going to be a new industry of building inspect
specters that will go and check out these non build

(51:23):
consent ones and find out all the defects they don't meet,
that they don't correlate with the plans that have been submitted.
Because the councils be out checking and what's going to happen.
Then they're going to be hold up. Some sales people
are going to it's going to be an absolute nightmare
because the homeowner they just can't they don't have time
to get educated on this, and so they're going to

(51:44):
have the wall pulled over their eyes. I promise here
they will. With people are going to turn up trying
to and sell it a little one and they're going
to say, yeah, no, that's all right, Oh that's a
bit of that's a public line, or they won't even
say there's a public line there. You can't build near
a public line.

Speaker 7 (52:02):
I certainly hear what you're saying in terms of you know,
I think with the grows respect to my colleagues and
the media, I think it's the media that have portrayed
this as being, hey, great, there are no rules. I
think government by and large have been quite clear about
saying there are less right, but no one's ever saying
there are no rules anymore. Always enjoy the chat, Steve,

(52:24):
much appreciated. You're with News Talks B. It is seventeen
minutes after seven. We've finally got a couple of spare lines,
so we'll talk to Chris in a moment. If you'd
like to join Chris, the number to call is eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. Love and the text as well.
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Speaker 1 (52:40):
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Speaker 7 (52:55):
The lines are open. The number to call eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. Just again on the I suppose we're
talking about granny flats. We're talking about how you then
connect it to network's line storm water and wastewater, So
if there's existing storm water and wastewater, it's or sewer
on site. The legislation allows for a connection, it has

(53:18):
to be done by a registered drain layer. The interesting
thing is that at the moment, there's legislation in place
to allow self certification for drain layers in the same
way that someone often someone who gets a qualification as
a plumber also gets qualified as a drain layer also
gets qualified as a gas fitter. Gas fitters have a

(53:42):
standard whereby they can self certify, so you don't have
to get a council inspector to necessarily inspect the work
done by a gas fitter. But that's not true at
the moment for drain layers and plumbers. It's a piece
of legislation that's in play, but it's not there yet.
But theoretically you can build a granny flat and connect

(54:05):
and have that work done by registered train layer. But
registered train layers, to the best of my knowledge, at
this point in time, are not allowed to self certify.
You can see the gap. Oh eight, one hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call Chris, good morning,
good morning, how are you very well? Thanks to yourself

(54:27):
that's the story.

Speaker 18 (54:28):
Just a quick question for you. I've got a retaining
wall about six meters long, starts off two half rails high,
and ends up at about ten or twelve half rails
high at the high end.

Speaker 7 (54:42):
So at the high end would it be without getting.

Speaker 18 (54:45):
Any permits or contents or anything. It's about twenty five
years old.

Speaker 7 (54:49):
Right at the high end, is it more than one
point five meters high? Sorry, at the highest end, would
it be more than one point five meters high?

Speaker 5 (55:04):
Yeah, I think it is.

Speaker 18 (55:04):
I think it's about one point six one.

Speaker 7 (55:09):
Typically, anything above one point five meters high requires a
consent because, you know, for obvious reasons, it's starting to
hold back a fairly significant amount of soil. The other
thing is if it has a surcharge. So, for example,
if the retaining wall is supporting a driveway or something

(55:29):
like that, that triggers a requirement for a building consent.
And I think too, if it's if it's close to
the boundary, that also might trigger a requirement for a
building consent. So it's the sort of thing that you know, okay,
So if it's if it's just a yeah, okay, So
if it's let's say, you know, set back two meters

(55:51):
from the boundary, the legal boundary, and it's one point
five meters high and it fell over. Let's say, well,
when it does fall over, it's it's essentially going to
fall over on your land, right, So there's not the
possibility that impacts on a neighbor, Whereas you can imagine,
let's say that one point four or one point five

(56:12):
or one point six meter high boundary retaining wall is
on the boundary, in the event of collapse, it would
impact on the neighbor, potentially blocking access to a neighbour's property.
So that's when you know, you look at it and
you go, what's the risk of failure?

Speaker 9 (56:28):
The risk of.

Speaker 7 (56:28):
Failure is lack of amenity to a neighbor, in which
case we're going to ask you to get a building
consent because we want to know that you're going to
do it correctly. Depth of embedment, type of material, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. But I think what you're describing
look to be fair. At the point where it gets

(56:48):
above one point five meters high and you want to
keep the top of it level, why don't you just
add a little bit more soil to the bottom of
it and make it one point five meters high. Okay,
you know what I mean. In the same way that
you know, you might a deck, for example, and find
that you need to add a handrail because it's a meter,

(57:12):
and then you find that with the contra of the land,
you're at a meter and fifty millimeters at one end. Well,
just bring the soil up, right, you know. That's what
I'm saying. So within reason, I'm not suggesting that you
ducking and diving the legislation or anything like that, but
let's be realistic. If it's relatively low risk, if it's

(57:33):
simply supporting a garden. Maybe it's old and it started
to decay and you're going to pull it down, what
would you replace it with? If it's an existing timber
one and it's failed over time, would you stick with
timber or would you look at something that doesn't require excavation.

Speaker 18 (57:48):
For example, I'd like to keep the same because there's
three retaining walls around the back of the house that's
half round und poles as well.

Speaker 7 (57:58):
Yeah, yeah, okay, we'll look in that case, replacing like
for like works that the what mean, mind my own experience,
the main cause of failure in retaining walls is where
people don't do the drainage well. So at the bottom
of the retaining wall, you need to install some drainage coil,
something like Bailey black snake or something like that that's punched.

(58:21):
You need to direct that to an outlet. And then
you need to make sure and it's a bit tricky
with backfilling behind retaining walls, but you need to make
sure you have a nice even layer vertically of scoria
that allows drainage right so that when the water hits
the back of the wall, it's able to drain down.
It's connected into that black snake at the bottom, and
that directs the water away. You do that and your

(58:44):
wall will last way way longer than if you don't
do that. And nine times out of ten when I
see failures and you open them up, none of those
things are there. It's very rare that I've seen a
failure where those things are done well and the wall
still fails.

Speaker 18 (59:01):
Okay, okay, so good drainage.

Speaker 7 (59:03):
Good drainage, yep.

Speaker 18 (59:06):
It to the one point five.

Speaker 10 (59:07):
Yeah, awesome, good luck, much appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (59:11):
There's been digging involved in that, mate. All the best yes,
is small digger is the answer.

Speaker 17 (59:21):
You know, a small digger probably couldn't get it in there.

Speaker 7 (59:25):
You'd be surprised. You'd be surprised, you know, because some
of the little mini diggers right that the tracks actually
extend in and out, so they kind of it's like
sucking your belly. And when you're trying to get through
a small gap, you can, you can bring the tracks.
And I've seen them get through a seven sixty gap.

Speaker 18 (59:41):
Oh wow.

Speaker 7 (59:42):
Yeah, So seriously, diggers are all sinking about it all
the best you so much, take care, my pleasure. You're
the new Talks. There'd be eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty the number to call Deathney. Good morning, Oh, good.

Speaker 19 (59:57):
Morning, Peter, thank you. I have an old villow, so
it was built before there was plumbing in the streets.

Speaker 7 (01:00:05):
Sure.

Speaker 19 (01:00:06):
Yeah, I've been here for a good thirty years. And
the previous owners did some renovations and they submitted a
proposed drainage plan to abandon an old sewage pipe and
realign the sewage pipes on the property on the boundary
of a new cross leafy. So I know that that

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work has been done because it's got on the cross
leaf side that there's those round menholes on that side.
The problem I have is that because I'm the original
house on this property, the problem I have is that
I have a problem with my stormwater, and I've got

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a broken pipe under the ground and I don't know
where it drains to. I had a dream layer come in.
They came and had a look, and they they said
there's a broken pipe, but they haven't said where it
connects to. I don't know where the stormwater connects to
it all. There's no plan as such. I asked the

(01:01:17):
previous owner. He doesn't know what it said. He doesn't know.
That original visit from the drain layer where nothing was done,
cost me over seven hundred dollars, and then they sent
me an estimate for four thousand to reconnect this one.

Speaker 17 (01:01:36):
Stormwater pipe.

Speaker 14 (01:01:38):
But they won't.

Speaker 19 (01:01:39):
They haven't said where to, So I'm loath to accept
an estimate that's got no detail on it. But also
to the sewerage doesn't appear on the GPS like all
my neighbors do. When when you search that online, I
don't really know what I don't really know what sort

(01:01:59):
of trade to go to next, or how to resolve
this problem because at the moment, this broken pipe is
flooding under my house.

Speaker 7 (01:02:08):
Wind Okay, it's not.

Speaker 19 (01:02:11):
Yeah, the actual pipe is not under the house. It's
kind of back flooding into the under there.

Speaker 7 (01:02:19):
So the break in the line, which is allowing the
water to get to escape, means that the water then
tracks underneath the house. So the origin of it is
feather uphill, but you're seeing it downhill effectively.

Speaker 9 (01:02:32):
Yeah, actually, weirdly.

Speaker 19 (01:02:33):
Weirdly, the problem with the pipe is actually downhill. It's
a relatively flat section, right, But if there's something like
a really bad storm, as we do with a you know,
say twelve centimeters of water, yes, you know, on a day,
it's just overflowing this drain and then because under the

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house the level of the dirt is slightly lower, Yep,
it kind of goes backwards.

Speaker 7 (01:03:00):
Sure.

Speaker 19 (01:03:02):
Yeah, I just don't know how to approach it because
I tried the drain layer and you know a little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:03:07):
I mean, look, there's there's more than one train layer
out there, so that that might be the most straightforward
solution initially, is to maybe through you know, this is
one of those things where I guess lots of us
who are in trade or have done you know, lots
of work have built up a network of people that
we trust, and the dilemma for making a series of

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assumptions and please forgive me if they're in correct. But
you know, if you're not engaging with trades people on
a fairly regular basis, then when you do go out
and search for someone, you don't know who you're going
to get, right Whereas you know, if you're working with people,
you start to build up an appreciation of their skill

(01:03:51):
and their dedication and their competency and so on. So
what that's a long wind way of saying, why not
find another drain layer and maybe go to a contractor
that you know who's got someone that they're happy to
recommend and they might give you a more straightforward solution
or a more definite solution, because let's be a little
bit honest. You know, most strain laying is pretty straightforward, right,

(01:04:16):
so in this instance, and also I wouldn't be too
concerned the fact that your drainage doesn't appear on the
on the gis on the council information. I mean, the
level of detail on the gas is getting better and
better all of the time, but it requires on information

(01:04:37):
being inputed into it, as my understanding, So if no
one's registered the work, then it won't show. And I
was looking at gis of a property the other day.
It showed limited detail as to what private connections were there,
but it did show the presence of the public infrastructure.
So I think that obviously with the cross LEAs the

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sewer has been or wastewater has been sorted out. Do
you know if your stormwater pipe was working properly, would
your stormwater go to the public line.

Speaker 19 (01:05:16):
I had absolutely no idea whether stormwater drains or I
can see where the dreams are that you know the
downpipes come down there. Of course it is that this
particular one, the company that came, they dug a sort
of two foot hole and said, oh, that pipe's broken,

(01:05:36):
there's your problems. But they couldn't tell me where they
were going to connect to.

Speaker 10 (01:05:41):
Yeah, okay, I knew it was blocked.

Speaker 19 (01:05:43):
I knew that.

Speaker 7 (01:05:44):
But one good place to start would be to have
someone do CCTV of your existing line. So from where
the downpipe connects to the stormwater pipe in the ground,
disconnect the downpipe, poke the camera in there and track
the camera along right, and then you might see evidence

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of a brain. If the break hasn't collapsed the pipe,
the camera can carry on and then eventually you'll see
where it ends. Now, it might just end in a
break or a collapse, which means but then at least
they'll be able to plot exactly where that is distance
and depth, and they'll be able to mark that on
the ground. And if it's an old system, it's quite

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possible that you'll have a series of breaks or dislodgments.
You know, if it's a ceramic pipe and they're about
six hundred milli long and all of those junctions, they
can move, and pieces can break, and tree roots can
get in there, and all of those sorts of things happen.
So you know, one scenario is that, in fact, the
whole line is no longer fit for purpose, but it

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does potentially end up connecting to a public line somewhere,
in which case you're going to have to replace it,
and that's going to be come in, dig a trench,
rip out all of the old drainage, redo the drainage,
and make a new stormwater connection. But you know, again,
on a house, typically there's more than one store water connection.
You've got more than one down pipe in which case

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you'll need to do branches that go and pick up
all of your existing storm water and collect all of
that and discharge it if the existing system's not working well.

Speaker 10 (01:07:21):
So that job.

Speaker 19 (01:07:24):
Yeah, because this particular pipe, I've got four drains and
one of them is blocked, and the small hole that
they did dig filled up with water straight away because
it was a kind of drizzly day and it had
a I mean, I don't actually even know if this
pipe they dug up is related to the downpape, but

(01:07:45):
anyway that they found this pipe and go willer and
it was it was a steel some kind of metal pipe,
and so yeah, and then so that the hole that
was dug it was like a two foot sort of trench.
At one end was the metal broken pipe and this

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is only a it's not too far from the drain.
But then the other end there was a concrete kind
of structure, which I don't know what that is, but
I also don't know where the drains are.

Speaker 7 (01:08:18):
So look, I think that probably the best place to
start in terms of investigating and understanding what you've got
is to get someone who does video survey. So a
lot some drainage companies have their own. Some drainage companies
contract that workout to specialists. I think starting first, you

(01:08:40):
have to understand the scale and scope of the problem
and where all of the pipes are. So to me,
CCTV would be the best place to start.

Speaker 19 (01:08:49):
The company that the dreamline company that they came out,
they didn't do that on one page and said, oh,
look it goes out to the fence lane and that
was it.

Speaker 9 (01:08:59):
But they couldn't tell me.

Speaker 19 (01:09:00):
They didn't do it on all of the drains. Obviously
they couldn't do it on the blocked one.

Speaker 10 (01:09:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:09:04):
Sure, but again I'm none of the ways are really
as to where the drainage is that would be connected to.

Speaker 7 (01:09:15):
There will be a solution. I think maybe you just
need to find a drainage company that a little bit
more engaged in the process. So CCTV local drain layer
that might Okay. Where I live, there one guy who's
done basically all of the work. So you just ring
him and go what's the story with the drains at

(01:09:35):
number da da Da da da, And he'll know now
that that's an old fashioned way of looking at it.
But there will be some people who are familiar with
the area who might know it otherwise, you know, at
a certain stage CCTV. And if that doesn't work, then
you are literally ripping it up and starting again.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Right, okay, thank you, all right, good luck?

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
One more?

Speaker 19 (01:09:55):
Have we got any more time?

Speaker 7 (01:09:57):
Very very quickly please?

Speaker 8 (01:09:58):
Okay.

Speaker 19 (01:09:58):
I also found under the house and old structure which
is concrete. There's no I've dug it out. It's got
no exit drains or anything, but it does fill up
with water. And about six inches under that level is
the underneath of the house. So I'm wondering how to
drain under the house if this happens again.

Speaker 7 (01:10:22):
What about if there's something there that's holding water, so
it might be an old catch pit or something like that,
why not just fill the catch pit up with something
that's not permeable eye concrete, and therefore it won't catch
water anymore.

Speaker 19 (01:10:36):
Yeah, and then how okay, thank you? And how do
I then drain under the house given at a slightly
lower level than the outside ground?

Speaker 7 (01:10:46):
Yeah, I mean it kind of depends on where that
water is coming from. So if it's water that's coming
from a broken pipe, if you fix the pipe, you've
probably gone some way to fixing the problem. The other
thing is that ideally, surfaces underneath the house should be
you know, like nothing's dead flat, right, very rarely. So

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to grade it in such a way that any water
that does come in has a pathway out is a
really good idea. And that's it. Actually, it's just got
to have somewhere to go. So if it's got a
big hollow in it, fill the hollow up so that
the water goes over the top. Once you've done all
of that work, putting a vapor barrier down is also

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going to make a big difference to the quality of air,
the quality of the environment underneath there. As I learned
the other day, it's about forty kilos of water is
released from underneath the house on a typical day. That's
the equivalent of about forty liters of water, yeah, every day.
And if you're holding water, then that's going to be

(01:11:51):
even more, isn't it. Good luck, Good luck, my pleasure,
lovely to chat with you. Take care them.

Speaker 14 (01:12:02):
To be fair.

Speaker 7 (01:12:03):
I actually find drainage endlessly fascinating. I wonder if I
I chose the wrong career path, maybe I should have
been a drain layer. I could be quite happy being
a drain layer. I suspect anyway, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Seven forty here at
news Talks FB. We've finally got a spare line. So
if you've been waiting, now's your time, now's your opportunity.

(01:12:25):
Seize the day. Carpe day am Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. I've got a
bunch of techts. I'll come back with those in just
a moment as well.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Helping you finish that five minute fixed you started the
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Speaker 7 (01:12:48):
Thereb a couple of texts that have come in Pete
Drainage is one thing. What about power? Granted a small dwelling,
but they will probably want heating, calling an oven, a hob,
some cooking appliances, maybe an EV. Most houses are on
a single phase the sixty three amp supply. Some of
these things are loading the installation. They may also want

(01:13:11):
a separate meter. I can see problems going forward with
all of this. Too small for solar panels too. Now
all of this comes from Tony who's an electrician, and
he raises a very good point. You know, if you've
got existing power supply to your house, I guess when
the power supply was connected it was designed just for
the house. Adding a minor dwelling and then being able

(01:13:32):
to extend the supply from the house to the minor dwelling,
is that possible? I guess the provision within the legislation is,
you know, it's obviously got to be done by registered electrician.
Electricians are self certifying. I would imagine, Actually this is
a very good question. I don't know the answer to this.

(01:13:53):
If you're an electrician, a registered electrician, and you provided
additional supply to a minor dwelling, would you need to
have your work checked by an inspector? Maybe electrician could
give me a text on that. I don't know. That'll
be really interesting to see. Pete. Our twenty five year

(01:14:15):
old house has wooden double glazed windows. Some moisture has
appeared in between the glass of one window. A solution
please chairs from on the Kapity Coast.

Speaker 11 (01:14:25):
John.

Speaker 7 (01:14:25):
It's basically replacement, so the seal between the two pieces
of glass has failed in this instance after twenty five years.
I guess it's not completely unreasonable, so it's replacement. So
it'll just be there's no there's no fix, it's just
replacement um GR ground penetrating radar as a way of

(01:14:50):
finding these sorts of services. That's thanks again, Pete the
other Steve is absolutely right. We've had a number of
texts from Steve's it would be best for homeowners to
get a building consent and get it signed off properly
and avoid the headaches later on. Well, people will have
that choice, that's the thing. They will have that choice,
and some people will still seek to exercise that choice,

(01:15:14):
and other people will say no, I just I want
to crack onto it and I'll deal with the consequences
later on. But in the end it's going to be
your issue, right, no one else is responsible for it,
which I think is good and sensible. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty will take a short break. We'll
be back in just a moment.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Where DIY gets unstuck.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Call eighty the Resident Builder with Peter WILFCAM and Independent
Building Supplies the Future of Kiwi Building Today News Talks B.

Speaker 7 (01:15:46):
I was just thinking and then amongst all of the
other sort of interesting, well for me anyway, interesting things
are happening this week in terms of going off and
doing some study and going to the Building Science Summit,
which was awesome, I have to say on on Friday
listening to one gentleman Hartwig is a professor of building
science from an institute in Germany where they've been studying

(01:16:08):
building and building performance since nineteen fifty three, so the
better part of seventy five years of data that they've
got around buildings and building performances. So in amongst all
of this kind of intellectual stuff that I've involved in,
I also got a package with a brand new pair
of boots, lightweight boots. I've never had lightweight boots in
my life, so that was kind of exciting. This is

(01:16:32):
Apex boots. Who do I've been wearing these boots for donkeys'
years and I've got a wide variety of you know,
lace ups and zip ups and polons and all that
sort of thing. And then a brand spanking pair of
boots lightweight ones arrived the other day the Britain, so

(01:16:52):
that was kind of exciting as well. I'll wear those
for a while. Let you know how I get on
Radio seven fifty and missus Scott. Good morning, oh, good morning,
greetings to you.

Speaker 20 (01:17:05):
I've got a I've probably got a double decker problem.
I have a shop and it's a corner shop with
other shops on each side. Now one lot is the
chemist shop and one is a fish shop. The chemist
shop has got a very big roof acreage, and they've

(01:17:27):
put new roofing on a couple of years ago, and
they have put all their water.

Speaker 7 (01:17:34):
Connection. I remember us talking about this.

Speaker 20 (01:17:37):
Roof attached to my downpipe on at my shop. The
result is that in a wet day, the water all
doesn't get away quick enough and it all you get
out of your car and you step into a little river. Yes,
now I'm wondering is this legal for other buildings to

(01:17:59):
put their water coming off their roof into my downpipe?

Speaker 7 (01:18:07):
No, of course not. I mean, you know, basically, what
you catch you have to control. So if it's coming
off your roof, you can't then poke it into your
neighbor's downpipe, because your neighbor in this case, you you've
already coped. You're already your building is already coping with
the water that's coming off your roof, and there's you know,

(01:18:28):
within the building Code. There's formulas for how much roof
contains a certain amount of water or captures a certain amount,
which determines how many downpipes you need.

Speaker 20 (01:18:40):
So there's well, the dome pipes they used to have
actually used to run just onto the land. It didn't
go down into anything.

Speaker 7 (01:18:50):
That's the propert the city.

Speaker 20 (01:18:52):
Council, because it is a backyard of a shopping seat
and they've got a great grating thing in the middle,
and I thought perhaps for a start off, it might
be a block from there to the road. But the
city council won't do anything about us. They won't even
have a look to see whether there is a blockage

(01:19:14):
which may cope with water.

Speaker 7 (01:19:15):
But I'm surprised that they I'm a little bit surprised
that council wouldn't come along and have a look at
something like that, because I mean, I know that councils
often have the approach of, look, it's a civil matter,
you sort it out with your neighbors, Da da da
da da. But in this instance where you know potentially

(01:19:36):
it's causing flooding, and those sorts of things I know,
for example, in Auckland water care have actually become a
little bit more proactive. So they've got sometimes teams of
people that will go out and will actually approach homeowners
and go, hey, look, i've noticed just from the roadway
that your downpipe is not connected to anything, in which

(01:19:57):
case you've got an uncontrolled discharge. You know, have you
considered changing that?

Speaker 9 (01:20:03):
You know?

Speaker 7 (01:20:04):
Can we give you some information to help you figure
out a better solution for that.

Speaker 20 (01:20:11):
So I've always understood that if you had a house,
I'm not discovering something else that you are as only
your legal for so much before the city council takes
over in your drainage.

Speaker 7 (01:20:28):
And I can't see that being a commercial property owner
is different to being a private property owner. We've all
got an obligation.

Speaker 20 (01:20:38):
The middle of the back yard of the buildings is
a distance away from my place from my shop, but
I just wondered whether the blockage was was from there
to the street. We could have coped, but no, So okay,
that's all I need.

Speaker 7 (01:20:55):
I think councils should be engaged in that. And look,
at the very least, if your neighbor has connected their
downpipe to your drainage, I would be going to the
lawyer and getting a cease and desist letter that basically says, hey,
you've got to change that, and you've got seven days
to do it and without it all the best, lovely

(01:21:20):
to talk with you. As always, I'm getting some great texts.
I'll try and have a crack at most of them
between now well after the news as well. Pete, I've
got a garage with a toilet and a wash base
and it's all legal and signed off. Could I add
a shower and a room? Yes, she could with a

(01:21:40):
building consent. With a building consent. The whole thing around
the granny flat's the simple standalone dwellings. It's for new construction.
Anything that's existing doesn't now automatically get some exemption from
having required a building consent if it needed one in
the first place. So yes, you could add a shower

(01:22:02):
and a toilet shower in a room, but you'll need
a building consent for that simple answer there, just on
the electrical one, because someone texts that through before. No
inspection's required. It's a submain from the house, basically an
extra circuit. But if a new mainz is installed from
the road then an inspection will be required. And I

(01:22:22):
presume it's up to the electrician to determine whether or
not there's sufficient supply to the house to allow for
additional supply to a minor dwelling or a stand alone, simple,
stand alone dwelling granny flat in the backyard. We'll come
back and we'll talk more about building and construction straight
after the news at.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Eight measure twice call once on eight hundred eighty ten
eighty the Resident Builder with Peter wolf Camp and Independent
Building Supplies the Future of Ken We Building Today News Talks.

Speaker 7 (01:22:52):
There be rightio. Welcome back to the show. Pete wolf
Camp is my name, and this is a program all
about building and construction and all of the things that
are associated with it. So we've talked old villas, We've
talked drainage, we've talked living room bobs and retaining walls
and exams. I'll tell you more about that later, Veranda's
granny flats, all sorts of things this morning on the show.

(01:23:16):
We'll continue through to eight point thirty. Then we're going
to change gears. Red Climb Past will join us and
we'll talk all things gardening and the wonderful world of
bugs as well. Quick correction and thank you very much
to the person that pointed this out. I mentioned that
in Auckland there was a bit of an initiative where
essentially council people and I said water care. It's not
water Care. It's the Healthy Waters team, which is part

(01:23:38):
of Auckland Council, essentially going out and doing stormwater checks.
So having a look at maybe reporting, you know, if
there's been a question from a neighbor or something like that,
or just simply going out and checking to see whether
people's houses are connected to storm water. I think it's great.
I think it's an excellent initiative, but it's healthy Waters

(01:23:59):
as opposed to water Care, so different parts. Thank you
very much for texting and telling me that. I'll note
that down. I've got a bunch of other texts. Also,
I mentioned that because I gave quite a lot of
promotion to the Devonport Tool Bazaar, which was so much fun,

(01:24:21):
someone else's has reached out to me. And before I
get with the gross respect, before I get swamped by
people wanting me to advertise their events, I can't do that.
But I will give an exemption I suppose to this
one because it relates to tools and men's sheds, which
kind of close to my heart. So as it happens,
I got a delightful email from Cliff saying, hey, on

(01:24:42):
the fourteenth of March, which is next Saturday, at the
Men's Shed in Kuppa Ty there will be a garage sale.
So the Men's Shed is at let me see twenty
two b rangih Row Street in why can I Beach?
The garage sale is popular. It's on from nine o'clock
till twelve thirty the men Shed in Kupity, So the

(01:25:04):
Men's Shed Coupity garage sale. Well, and you might find
that you do exactly the same thing as me, which
is fine, something that you didn't know you needed, but
you bought it anyway, including as I did at the
devonport one a catalog from Record Record Make clamps and
vices and so on. The reason I bought the catalog
is it was printed in nineteen thirty two. What I

(01:25:27):
find fascinating about that, just as the side is that
many of the clamps and vices are still exactly the
same today. Anyway. That's the sort of wondrous things that
you might find at a garage sale. So the men
Shed at Company Coast Garrett sale is next Saturday. Enjoy that.
I for a brief moment thought maybe I should n't

(01:25:50):
it down for something like that because it sounds like
a lot of fun. But I'm going to be at
a building science seminar or building survey as seminar next
Saturday as well, So more learning from me. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty than number to call Chris
A very good morning, Oh.

Speaker 21 (01:26:06):
Good morning, great things. The question I have is that
we have like a twelve to seventy seven square meter property.
The main house goes up a moderate rise. Now at
the back of the section, we've got approximately three hundred
and twenty square meters in looking at putting either a

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grany flat or a small dwelling down the back. The
main services to the front of the section, so that's
coming up the long driveway. Now down the back. I'm
not sure if there's any services down that way, So
how do we get on for putting another dwelling down
the back? So I haven't engaged in a haaritect get

(01:26:50):
the thought.

Speaker 7 (01:26:51):
So from the roadway, yeah, you're coming from the roadway.
The existing dwelling is the first thing that you encounter
as you go into the property, and then where you
proposing where you've got the spear land the three hundred
and twenty squares that's at the back of the property.
Effectively when you're starting from the road, and that's lower,
lower than the height of the existing building.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Yeah, it slopes down.

Speaker 13 (01:27:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:27:17):
So the practical things are storm water and wastewater. How
do if you put a toilet there, how do you
get the outflow from the toilet to connect? Right? Yes,
exactly what we do know about water is it typically
doesn't go uphill. So in fact, I saw one, Yes,

(01:27:41):
I was at a property yesterday where they'd added a
small little cottage at the back and they had a
their shower and toilet went into a pump and that
pumped it up to a height that was enough to
get gravity feet to the front. So you would need
to do some sort of system like that. Now, doing
that for storm water requires you know, double pumps and

(01:28:05):
a chamber and all the rest of it.

Speaker 13 (01:28:07):
See.

Speaker 7 (01:28:07):
I think that sometimes people are just going to realize that, yes,
you can do it, but it's going to be that
expensive that it's not worth doing. And I wonder whether
you might find after an initial and I'm not giving
this as advice as to whether or not you should
do it. But yeah, you know, in the event that
you want a toilet that's below the level of the

(01:28:28):
invert for your existing wastewater connection, you're going to have
to pump that uphill, right, and that's more expensive than
a pipe that just you know, it all just floats down,
and you're going to have to do the same thing
with the storm water.

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
Well.

Speaker 13 (01:28:43):
The other thing is is that.

Speaker 21 (01:28:46):
To the right of our section will actually had an
overhead up through two new dwellings in the last five years,
so obviously I've got storm water outlet over there as well.

Speaker 7 (01:29:00):
That's the other possibility is that you then approach the
neighbor about having access to through their property. So but
that would be an easement on their title. Right now,
there's a that's a legal process and it needs to
be registered on the neighbour's title that you have an
easement on that property to run stormwater and sewer through there.

(01:29:23):
That's not going to be without costs as well.

Speaker 21 (01:29:26):
No, no, no, but it's another alternative.

Speaker 7 (01:29:29):
Is another alternative, yes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:29:31):
Which is what I'm looking for at the moment. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, great,
thanks you.

Speaker 7 (01:29:41):
Take care see that And I think it was raised
earlier the question of you know, how many properties are
actually going to be suitable for this type of dwelling
to be added to it? Certainly for me at home,
you know, I could. I couldn't fit anything more than
I don't know, maybe twenty or thirty square meters, probably
not even that, because I just don't have a big

(01:30:05):
enough section and it's already occupied with the house and
a garage and a shed. But some pieces, right, But
there will be properties around the country where, like a
cross on a twelve hundred and seventy seven square meter section,
there's some space at the back three hundred square met
it's more than enough space to put a mind a
dwelling on. So it's not going to be able to

(01:30:26):
be done for everyone, but the estimate is that it
could provide housing. There could be sufficient capacity to do
about I think it's thirteen or fifteen thousand of these
simple standalone dwellings granny flats around the country over time
without necessarily requiring a building consent. Rightio fourteen after eight, John, greetings, Hi.

Speaker 16 (01:30:47):
Hello, Now I've what am I trying to say here?
I live in a longer section and there's three houses
on this side and there's five flats on the other
side built in the seventies.

Speaker 10 (01:31:06):
Yep.

Speaker 16 (01:31:07):
Right on eighth of April two thy and eighteen, there
was a huge wind on my part of the fence.

Speaker 14 (01:31:17):
Fell over.

Speaker 16 (01:31:20):
Right yep, and fair enough. It was virtually the length
of my section, my part, So I had it replaced
and I paid for it myself two five hundred odd dollars.
Now that was in two thy eighteen. Now I understand

(01:31:43):
now from a neighbor next door that the property managers
want to replace the rest of the fence because it's
falling a past about a plank a week, and they
want me to pay my share.

Speaker 7 (01:32:01):
The section of the fence that they're replacing. Is it
on your boundary?

Speaker 4 (01:32:05):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:32:06):
And why would they come to you and ask you
to contribute if it's not your fence?

Speaker 16 (01:32:12):
Well they haven't that nobody's actually asked me, But I
heard from from a neighbor. I don't know, but I'm
not paying anymore.

Speaker 7 (01:32:21):
No, And I don't believe that you have any responsibility
for fences that are not on your property or on
your boundary. Right, So you've already done your bit, which
is to replace the damaged fence. That's great, yeah, but
you know, because your neighbor one house down, their fences

(01:32:42):
has fallen over. Unless there's something about an easement or
a shared boundary because of the driveway or something like that.

Speaker 14 (01:32:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 16 (01:32:51):
I can't driveway next to it.

Speaker 7 (01:32:55):
Yes, but is that a driveway that you use to
access you?

Speaker 16 (01:33:00):
I do, but I couldn't use the driveway because the
fence had fallen on it.

Speaker 7 (01:33:05):
Yeah, so you fixed your But I think look, if
someone comes to you with a letter under the Fencing
Act asking for a contribution to the fence, you can
you know, you may have to comply, but I'd probably
have a quick chat with your lawyer and just go hey,
in this instance because it's not actually on my property,

(01:33:27):
despite the fact that there's needsmen on the title, d
da da da da do I do I need to?
So look, I think a quick conversation with your lawyer
might be a really good idea. It is seventeen minutes
after eight. We'll talk to Bringdan straight after the.

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Speaker 7 (01:33:56):
Well that the timing for that little promo couldn't be better.
So talking about forgetting or picking up on the things
that they forgot to mention on the YouTube video as
it happens. I'm I'm doing some YouTube stuff at the moment,
and I'm working with the team at Metro Performance Glass
and I've done a lot of work with them on
double glazing and so on. But it's a changing space,

(01:34:18):
right So there's so much more information about double glazing
and the nuances with double glazing, the coatings that you
can apply, the orientation of it, what the outcome is
that you want from the double glazing. So it's one
of those things where often when we're talking about glass,
you know, we tend to have this approach where you
just see through it, and so it's kind of hard

(01:34:40):
to talk about it because it's just something we are
used to and we look through it every day, but
the actual performance of it can be complex and requires
a bit of unpacking anyway. So what we're doing is
a little thing that we're calling Smarter Glass, Better Living.
You'll find it on the YouTube channel at some stage,

(01:35:01):
you find on their website, you find it on my
YouTube channel as well, So it's kind of looking at
things like how the double glazing works, it's impact on conversation,
on warmth, on acoustic performance. All of these sorts of
things are kind of demystifying double glazing. So check it
out Better Living, sorry, smarter Glass, Better Living, and I'll

(01:35:23):
bring you up to date as we release more and
more videos onto the old YouTube over time. Twenty two
minutes after eight Brendan Greetings to you, Greetings to you, Hey.

Speaker 9 (01:35:33):
Babe, I just wanted to ask a question. We're looking
at doing an olderation on an old sixties cottage, which
is fiftew square meters. Now we have six piles timber
piles or a place because they're rotten. But when they
left the house they said they couldn't lift it much

(01:35:55):
further up because of the time group throwing would split.
Now we've got two other rows of piles, which obviously
will need to drop down. What kaikers the minimum off
the ground you can go.

Speaker 7 (01:36:13):
I just want to go back a step so the
people who are doing the repiling, how you might not
want to turn your radio off because I can I
can hear in the background. I'm just a little bit
intrigued about the advice that you got from the people
doing the repiling. What they're saying is so typically houses
when they're built, the floor is flat and then it's

(01:36:33):
it's sunk over time, and the repiling is going to
bring that back up to level. And what they're saying
is that if we bring it back up to level,
the tongue and groove's going to split. I'm not sure
that that's true.

Speaker 9 (01:36:47):
Right, Okay, we've already had it done because they were
pretty rotten than the house was a lean. We've got
the outside piles we done. The middle pile is about
one hundred milis higher there the row of sex. So

(01:37:07):
we're just trying to work out how do we make
the house level so that we can then do the alteration.
Would we be looking at either getting.

Speaker 7 (01:37:16):
Why do I think that middle row is at that
height and the rest is lower? Do you think that
that middle row is the original height of the floor
and everything's moved or is there something happening that causes
that to rise, which theoretically as possible, but it's very unlikely.

Speaker 9 (01:37:34):
Yeah, they put a laser level when I had look
under the house and it was definitely at least one
hundred mil. It need to come down like one hundred mil.
But obviously we're on a sloping section, and so at
the top of the house, because seven minutes wide, it's
got to drop it down to bring it a level.

(01:37:55):
But that's just looking at what they're I just.

Speaker 7 (01:38:01):
Theoretically, I understand that maybe a house rises, but I
think it's incredibly unlikely. Right, So I think my assumption
would be that that level, the highest part of your house,
is where the house always was, and everything else has
slumped from there subsided, in which case those things can

(01:38:23):
be bought up to that level rather than that level
being reduced in some way.

Speaker 9 (01:38:29):
Right, Okay, So would that mean that have to go
jack the bearers to bring that rather than natural you know,
the bottom plate of such.

Speaker 14 (01:38:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:38:42):
Absolutely, And it's you know, like one of the things
with older houses, if it's got a chimney, typically flows
sort of connect to the chimney, and that's often what
I'd call the datum. That's zero level, right, that's the
original height of the floor, and then you just work
off that and bring everything back up to there. Now,
I also from practical experience, get that, you know, not

(01:39:06):
everything has to be dead flat. There's a little bit
of you can humor some things and so on. So
you might find that you get it within a certain range,
and then you go, that's good enough. But the idea
of lowering the floor to match the other parts, there's
just something about that that doesn't really make sense to me.
I would go, the highest part is the original bit,
and everything comes up to there.

Speaker 9 (01:39:28):
Okay, well that's great. Okay, well I'll look into it
and if we can get jacked up a bit.

Speaker 7 (01:39:33):
More, yeah, absolutely, And within a range like up to
one hundred millimeters, you can actually chock and block basically,
so disconnect the bearer from the existing pile, lift the
building up on the bearers, and then put a block
in there. That's permissible for a certain number, for a
certain height. It's within the building code as well. Otherwise

(01:39:55):
you should be replacing those piles as well.

Speaker 9 (01:39:58):
Okay, well, the metal piles are one hundred somewhere obviously repiled.
We bought the place. Well, they need to be changed
when they go for a building consent, not if.

Speaker 7 (01:40:10):
They're the original ones like one hundred five hundred doesn't
comply with the current building code. It needs to be
a minimum of one twenty five by one twenty five.
But if it's existing then and you're simply doing repairs
and maintenance on your existing piles, they could be left there.
But if as part of your building consent you might
have to introduce some brace piles and that sort of thing.

(01:40:33):
They'll need to be to the current code. They'll need
to be a certain depth in the ground like typically
nine hundred mill down and then braces attached to them,
et cetera. Awesome, Thanks, all right, nice chatting all the best. Yeah,
take care, interesting one, right, yoh, well, it's been fun
talking building construction and a little bit about the study
that I've been doing. Right, let's change gear. We're going

(01:40:54):
to take a break. We're going to come back with
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